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One of the topics discussed on the latest PB/Polling Matters podcast was the striking difference in views on Brexit by age.
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The Millennial Falcon!!
The Goat, in Broom Road, Shirley, could be forced to close following 'months' of criminal and anti-social behaviour
http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/14326467.display/
http://news.sky.com/story/ecuador-election-could-determine-julian-assanges-fate-10822063
And part of the explanation for Corbyn's appeal to a section of his membership.
Who will speak for Millenials? I'm sure there's a loser who will.
A platform for government based on pandering to the younger voter might work, but for the fact they are a tiny fraction of the electorate, are not an amorphous lump and don’t vote.
This is a sample size of 1 but it seems to me to be what Keiran is talking about. The Tories under May and Hammond don't have the reach to younger metropolitan types that they had under Cameron, they seem a bit older and somewhat set in their ways. Older voters seem to like this, hence May's incredible leads in that age group, but I agree that there is an opportunity to seize the younger vote. Don't see Labour under Corbyn doing it though.
I'd agree Kieran has a point here, but I'd suggest it's focusing on the 25-45 age group, who'll be working and might actually bother.
You don't have to be white to hate, nor to engage in violence for the most ludicrous reasons of someone sounding or looking different.
There is a party for these oppressed children already. They have a meeting on Friday. Don't know if there is an age limit.
Many of my friends kids now end up "doubling up", doing a Masters as much because of the need to differentiate themselves or their inability to find something in the job market than any great academic enthusiasm. Speaking to this generation certainly confirms Keiran's findings about their pessimism about future prospects. I feel really sorry for them.
Good to meet you last week Mr StClare!
One truly mishievious thing that Corbyn could do at zero risk to his personal popularity is to propose a retrospective graduate tax on everyone who got their university education free so that the younger generation can see their 9% tax (loan repayments) cut.
I also saw something yesterday in a newspaper of a Brexit nature that might appeal to the environmentalist, green-keen younger voter.
Apparently, the number of trucks going through Dover has increased by a multiple of four in the last generation. The continent is sending us three million extra lorries to Dover every year.
How does that square with claims of EU climate consciousness? Change your light bulb to save the planet, here's an articulated lorry in it's place.
https://twitter.com/spajw/status/848773919628722176
Edit - what they need is a good dose of inflation to drastically shrink their debts and cut the real prices of housing....no wonder they like Corbyn!
Nuking the greedy bastards who have saved will be a side benefit....
Quite happy to exploit the mental problems of others in exchange for cash.
Twitter?
Just watch kids and teenagers interviewed on telly in their schools. With greater or lesser efficiency they parrot out the views on any subject which they have clearly been drilled on for the whole of the morning prior to the live interviews. When did you ever see such an interviewee go off message - saying for instance their school isn't the best in England, Margaret Thatcher might have had a point etc etc.
Voting and elections depend upon voters expressing their OWN opinions and having their OWN opinions. School and I suspect the crapper universities rely on exactly the opposite. The compliant pupils and students who do well are the ones who don't challenge or else only challenge within the acceptable parameters.
How then do you determine that those who vote are expressing their own views and not those which have been foisted upon them by well meaning teachers ?
In that scenario it is hardly surprising that 18 to 24s don't express the full spectrum of adult views - many will never have been exposed to views contrary to those of the slightly left of centre adults with whom they have interacted.
In spite of that I suspect many don't vote because they are in fact aware of contention and making a genuine choice. That is totally contrary to the school environment where there is only one definite right answer. Not voting might be a cop out but in fact if you aren't certain then surely that is the right thing to do.
Another crutch gone from Labour at the next election. Still, I guess they can aim for a 22.5% strategy...
On the broader topic, young people generally don't vote. Traditionally, by the time they do start voting, they will have grown up, settled down, bought houses, maybe had kids, will have a steady job to hold down.
This generation will not have settled down, will still be renting well into their 30s or even 40s, consequently are less likely to have had kids, and think holding down a job for a year is good going.
But they will vote, and they will vote against the Tories in droves. Whether or not they will vote against other establishment parties remains to be seen.
In ten years or more when the current crop of millennials are hitting their mid to late thirties and are still living in houseshares (south east) or wondering why there aren't any jobs (everywhere else), they will vote. And they will be angry.
Despite Brexit, Corbyn and the rest if it the Lib Dems are stuck on 10%.
* Even though I disapproved of Alex Salmond's motivation for doing so, as he thought it would improve the Yes prospects in the independence referendum. Also there was some very dodgy promotion of education policy going on at the same time.
Outside of the M25 property remains affordable in the main; inside it's a goldmine.
In fact a definition of stupidity might be the young person who gets a meaningless degree from a mediocre university and then moves to London expecting to be a success.
All three main parties support bribing pensioners and increasing tuition fees and rising house prices and continuing net immigration.
The very policies which are so damaging to young people.
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/techandscience/medieval-villagers-mutilated-the-dead-to-stop-them-rising-study-finds/ar-BBzdXcl?ocid=spartandhp
I bloody love Michael Fallon he's the perfect bulldog for TMay on any particular subject.
And how droll for all Leavers to have mocked the WWIII and"war" claims when here over the weekend we are talking about sending in the troops to party like it was 1982.
On topic, I know it's polling an' all but I am sceptical about the strict party breakdown analysis when looking at this. All three parties have been in power over the past ten years. Who's to blame in the eyes of any particular age demographic?
Far too many young people live in their teacher-induced idealistic bubbles (witness comment further upthread about our education system). I think the political disconnect is set to get a bit deeper even.
Although the young to my mind appear to be much harsher on economic matters than the previous generation (that is, mine), I've often considered that those who vote, young and old, tend to vote for the party brand they think they are supposed to vote for. That is, we get images of the parties and what they are like and who they support and are supported by, and while there are always exceptions, people trust that impression when deciding, even if that party is now very different. So Labour will remain the party of the young no matter what, with the lds making some headway.
An interesting topic to start the week. The formulation and evolution of opinion is a life-long exercise and indeed I've changed my mind on several issues several times. The question as to whether maintaining a consistent viewpoint is a reflection of principle or rigidity of thought is one I'll leave to others.
It's a remarkable time to be alive if you are retired, have money and good health. The "golden years" generation can enjoy a lifestyle that the rest of us can only envy but once health fails old age can be a miserable lonely existence even if you have good financial provision. It can be a rapid transition from one state to the other.
I often wonder if the anger of the elderly is as much frustration as having lost what they once had and enjoyed - the world can seem a hostile place if you are in pain and alone.
A thoughtful Opposition might be considering what kind of Britain to build for older people - it's not just about free travel and being out of the EU but a quality of life based on integration within society, the provision of activities and of course strong local healthcare systems. Yes, older people care very much about the security of children, grandchildren and so on but it is, for them, about appreciation, identity and value. Work is a part of that and an increasingly multi-generational workforce raises some interesting questions and challenges.
My history teacher during the Falklands more or less abandoned the curriculum to teach us what it was all about. A brilliant teacher but at no point did he push one political viewpoint over another.
Look at universities these days. Inside it's all safe spaces, no-platforming, no challenge, Rhodes must fall, prizes for all, lefty claptrap and a misleading suggestion that academic careers are suitable for everyone and that all degree subjects are worthwhile. Outside it's the gig economy and a welfare state that cannot afford to be alot more than a safety net, rather than a lifestyle choice. What % of students work for a wage while they study? We don't teach personal finance or business skills or simple economics to kids though. It's like the whole education system is expressly designed to sell kids a bullshit story and then take the wool from their eyes only after they leave it. No wonder they're angry.
We put almost no thought into it really. That is changing now - when i meet my younger sisters friends they put a lot more thought into it. partly because of tuition fees.
I would point out though that our parents generation were almost all of the view that if they just got their kid into university they'd done a good job. Much like now they tell me to try to buy a crappy property somewhere i don't want to live with a massive mortgage because they remember how much they benefited from house prices rising.
Sticking to one's principles is not a virtue if those principles are terrible. Which ones are so is, of course, usually a much trickier question. But not always.
That just seems bonkers to me. I'm green whatever happens, so I'm not fiddling with my position any more, but it just seems utterly at odds with the probable outcome. Surely Macron should be down around 1.4 or shorter?
On degree choices, I should probably have done law, but I decided it would be the only opportunity to study what I really wanted to, history, and I could always transfer to law later if I wanted to and truly had the aptitude.
I'd be amazed if his successor still repeats that line!
Same as all other generations?
To be fair it's not awful... i have a few Asian friends who were bullied by parents into studying medicine who could have benefited from that.
For me the fundamental problem is at 18 you have very little idea of what jobs exist... And your teachers don't really know either.
Education is expensive. It's reasonable to expect students to contribute to the cost while they study - as is the norm in many countries. I did and I'm 50. Are you saying we shouldn't teach finance, business, economics to kids? Deliberately deny them some genuinely useful life skills so as to maximise some of the shite we do fill their heads with? That's perverse.
I don't disagree that economics should be a bigger priority for education.
And if the cap fits, we should all be happy to wear it.... I am;
Once you get to university level it becomes a whole other issue - they are adults, not children, and increasing infantilisation of young adults needs to stop.
Departing European institution
Confrontation with Spain
Elizabeth on the throne
It's all very 16th century.
Now all we need to do is establish a position of global dominance. Huzzah!
You don't think the no platforming / safe spacing/ near closed shop lefty academia/Rhodes must fall type movement exists in our universities? Or you simply don't see it yourself and so all the stuff in the press is made up?
And since when are university students children? It is possible, and in fact desirable, to combine study/sex-drugs-rock'n'roll/paid work while at uni. (For those for whom uni is a sensible life choice. Studying tosh at the University of Ex-poly Shitsville is likely not).
Probably less than 5% of people can be bothered arguing for hours and passing resolutions on Palestine but they make the news.
But yeah 400,000 houses a year for a decade would sort this out.
Though I imagine our current crop of geriatric warmongers are no different to previous ones in expecting whippersnappers to do the fechting.