G-Live: Bad news for the live blogging community. According to Channel 4 News’ Gary Gibbon, Theresa May will not be taking part in general election debates. It sounds like we are not going to get many press conferences either.
It's going to be a weirdly quiet, boringly predictable General Election. But a necessary one.
Hell you are boring twat everyone would like to see Corbyn V May .If he is that crap what is her worry ?
Are you OK, hun?
Personally, I'd like to see May V Corbyn, and I would regret it if TV debates did not come back for the next election. But I can see May's logic in turning them down.
We're getting a sense of May's political persona now. She's shrewd, she's devious, she's flinty, she can be very ruthless and calculating. She seems quite cold and not particularly personable, but she sounds like the sort of person you would want negotiating Brexit.
She's also got the measure of Sturgeon.
Remember her first move as PM was ejecting all Cameroon's from top jobs.
"Pound shop Gordon Brown" ducks out of TV debates...
I suspect Corbyn would do well in debates. Starts from a low base and many of his policies are very popular. Plus while the mudslinging stuff is effective - i think it's awkward to do in person.
TM strategy will probably be to say and do as little as possible that is new and just endlessly repeat that the country needs stability for seven weeks.
G-Live: Bad news for the live blogging community. According to Channel 4 News’ Gary Gibbon, Theresa May will not be taking part in general election debates. It sounds like we are not going to get many press conferences either.
What? We are to be denied the joy of watching Jezza explaining his IRA chums on live telly or having to think on his feet? We woz robbed. The best moment of the last GE was Milband saying 'No. I don't think we overspent' and the audience's gasp. I want my gasps!
Yes to true the only bit of excitement in a foregone conclusion and they deprive of us of that.Because they say she is to far ahead in the polls .
G-Live: Bad news for the live blogging community. According to Channel 4 News’ Gary Gibbon, Theresa May will not be taking part in general election debates. It sounds like we are not going to get many press conferences either.
It's going to be a weirdly quiet, boringly predictable General Election. But a necessary one.
Hell you are boring twat everyone would like to see Corbyn V May .If he is that crap what is her worry ?
Are you OK, hun?
Personally, I'd like to see May V Corbyn, and I would regret it if TV debates did not come back for the next election. But I can see May's logic in turning them down.
We're getting a sense of May's political persona now. She's shrewd, she's devious, she's flinty, she can be very ruthless and calculating. She seems quite cold and not particularly personable, but she sounds like the sort of person you would want negotiating Brexit.
She's also got the measure of Sturgeon.
It's definitely in her interest to avoid the debates. The accusations of being frit are not that damaging compared to any 'cleggmania' type event occurring in them.
If the broadcasters had the guts, they would organise debates, invite the candidates, and if May doesn't turn up, empty chair her. If they do it outside the official campaign period they should have more leeway on how they go about it.
...are they all going to manage to show up and vote for the election? Everyone's talking like this is a done deal but are we sure the government have the numbers?
G-Live: Bad news for the live blogging community. According to Channel 4 News’ Gary Gibbon, Theresa May will not be taking part in general election debates. It sounds like we are not going to get many press conferences either.
It's going to be a weirdly quiet, boringly predictable General Election. But a necessary one.
Hell you are boring twat everyone would like to see Corbyn V May .If he is that crap what is her worry ?
She seems quite cold and not particularly personable.
She's not one of those people with believe you have to be constantly emoting to "show you care" - in her book, actions speak much louder than words. In person she's funny with a dry slightly wicked sense of humour.
It's normally the wrong thing to do but I think backing Sir Keir Starmer at ~ 6-1 makes sense as the timeframe for the next Labour leadership election has moved significantly to the left today.
Who else can it be ?
Nandy?
Balls if he stands in June? (desperately short notice though, probably booked up for months ahead giving speeches etc). Odds = 51 last time I looked.
G-Live: Bad news for the live blogging community. According to Channel 4 News’ Gary Gibbon, Theresa May will not be taking part in general election debates. It sounds like we are not going to get many press conferences either.
It's going to be a weirdly quiet, boringly predictable General Election. But a necessary one.
Hell you are boring twat everyone would like to see Corbyn V May .If he is that crap what is her worry ?
She seems quite cold and not particularly personable.
She's not one of those people with believe you have to be constantly emoting to "show you care" - in her book, actions speak much louder than words. In person she's funny with a dry slightly wicked sense of humour.
A50 has been triggered, so the meltdown is due any day now...
Brexit is a political process which consists of power being removed from the United Kingdom. The economy is only at risk if the UK decides to fight the process.
G-Live: Bad news for the live blogging community. According to Channel 4 News’ Gary Gibbon, Theresa May will not be taking part in general election debates. It sounds like we are not going to get many press conferences either.
It's going to be a weirdly quiet, boringly predictable General Election. But a necessary one.
Hell you are boring twat everyone would like to see Corbyn V May .If he is that crap what is her worry ?
She seems quite cold and not particularly personable.
She's not one of those people with believe you have to be constantly emoting to "show you care" - in her book, actions speak much louder than words. In person she's funny with a dry slightly wicked sense of humour.
G-Live: Bad news for the live blogging community. According to Channel 4 News’ Gary Gibbon, Theresa May will not be taking part in general election debates. It sounds like we are not going to get many press conferences either.
It's going to be a weirdly quiet, boringly predictable General Election. But a necessary one.
Hell you are boring twat everyone would like to see Corbyn V May .If he is that crap what is her worry ?
Are you OK, hun?
Personally, I'd like to see May V Corbyn, and I would regret it if TV debates did not come back for the next election. But I can see May's logic in turning them down.
We're getting a sense of May's political persona now. She's shrewd, she's devious, she's flinty, she can be very ruthless and calculating. She seems quite cold and not particularly personable, but she sounds like the sort of person you would want negotiating Brexit.
She's also got the measure of Sturgeon.
Anyone who uses the teeth-clenching hell phrase that is "you okay hun?" should be banished to ConservativeHome for several weeks, long after the election is over. I would have expected better of you in particular Sean. Hang your cliched Cornish head in shame, misery and regret.
G-Live: Bad news for the live blogging community. According to Channel 4 News’ Gary Gibbon, Theresa May will not be taking part in general election debates. It sounds like we are not going to get many press conferences either.
It's going to be a weirdly quiet, boringly predictable General Election. But a necessary one.
Hell you are boring twat everyone would like to see Corbyn V May .If he is that crap what is her worry ?
Are you OK, hun?
Personally, I'd like to see May V Corbyn, and I would regret it if TV debates did not come back for the next election. But I can see May's logic in turning them down.
We're getting a sense of May's political persona now. She's shrewd, she's devious, she's flinty, she can be very ruthless and calculating. She seems quite cold and not particularly personable, but she sounds like the sort of person you would want negotiating Brexit.
She's also got the measure of Sturgeon.
It's definitely in her interest to avoid the debates. The accusations of being frit are not that damaging compared to any 'cleggmania' type event occurring in them.
If the broadcasters had the guts, they would organise debates, invite the candidates, and if May doesn't turn up, empty chair her. If they do it outside the official campaign period they should have more leeway on how they go about it.
Er, we've only got seven weeks until polling day? All it will take is for one political party to be dis-satisfied with the time they are allocated or the format of one debates and go to court and the whole thing will be over before its started.
Debates are are a non-starter in this election. They aren't going to happen.
G-Live: Bad news for the live blogging community. According to Channel 4 News’ Gary Gibbon, Theresa May will not be taking part in general election debates. It sounds like we are not going to get many press conferences either.
Now that is being frit - I know Corbyn can hold his own in a debate, but you'd think she'd welcome the opportunity to pin him down in a debate
Of course she's frit. She's also very sensible. Blair turned down debates in 1997 and 2001 on the same sensible basis that you don't risk a big lead on a debate, even when you're LotO, never mind as PM.
Besides, it's very late in the day now. Getting agreement on debate format would be difficult after all the shenanigans last time on who should be in and who shouldn't. LDs, UKIP and SNP are all now effectively joint third, so to exclude any one of them would be to invite a legal challenge. But include SNP and that raises a question about Plaid. UKIP's zero MPs (or one, if you go by the last election), brings the Greens into play.
For the Tories, expect a thoroughly boring, safety-first election campaign. When you're 4-0 up with 20 minutes to go, you don't play 4-2-4. Let the opposition attack and then exploit the space as their formation and discipline goes.
The Tories can't play it *too* safe, though. They have to fire up enough people in the Midlands and winnable parts of the NE / NW to capitalise on this opportunity. North of the Watford Gap the GOTV effort will be critical. This, I guess, is why having Sir Lynton on board is in turn so critical.
Never seen Corbyn as happy as he just was on Sky News.
Relief that he knows the nightmare of his own leadership will soon be over?
Do not be daft. He knows that in several weeks he will be the PM who ground the Tory Scum under his heel, vanquishing them forever and ushering in the 1,000 reign of Momentum.
G-Live: Bad news for the live blogging community. According to Channel 4 News’ Gary Gibbon, Theresa May will not be taking part in general election debates. It sounds like we are not going to get many press conferences either.
It's going to be a weirdly quiet, boringly predictable General Election. But a necessary one.
Hell you are boring twat everyone would like to see Corbyn V May .If he is that crap what is her worry ?
Are you OK, hun?
Personally, I'd like to see May V Corbyn, and I would regret it if TV debates did not come back for the next election. But I can see May's logic in turning them down.
We're getting a sense of May's political persona now. She's shrewd, she's devious, she's flinty, she can be very ruthless and calculating. She seems quite cold and not particularly personable, but she sounds like the sort of person you would want negotiating Brexit.
She's also got the measure of Sturgeon.
I don't think any sensible PM would turn down an open goal at a general election, which is exactly what the Tories have presented to them. She is Brown-esque in some ways, but her masterstroke was embracing Brexit, unequivocally, after the result. Corbyn and Labour did not do that, and still don't.
I usually dread general elections, especially the last two when none of us were really certain of the result. Not this time. I say with absolute certainty that there is nothing on this planet that could propel Jeremy Corbyn to Downing Street. Gary Glitter has a better chance of being PM than he does.
Never seen Corbyn as happy as he just was on Sky News.
Relief that he knows the nightmare of his own leadership will soon be over?
Do not be daft. He knows that in several weeks he will be the PM who ground the Tory Scum under his heel, vanquishing them forever and ushering in the 1,000 reign of Momentum.
And in response we'll set up a thousand year PB Tory reich in exile.
G-Live: Bad news for the live blogging community. According to Channel 4 News’ Gary Gibbon, Theresa May will not be taking part in general election debates. It sounds like we are not going to get many press conferences either.
It's going to be a weirdly quiet, boringly predictable General Election. But a necessary one.
Hell you are boring twat everyone would like to see Corbyn V May .If he is that crap what is her worry ?
Are you OK, hun?
Personally, I'd like to see May V Corbyn, and I would regret it if TV debates did not come back for the next election. But I can see May's logic in turning them down.
We're getting a sense of May's political persona now. She's shrewd, she's devious, she's flinty, she can be very ruthless and calculating. She seems quite cold and not particularly personable, but she sounds like the sort of person you would want negotiating Brexit.
She's also got the measure of Sturgeon.
When the GE was called the right-wingers on Twitter were celebrating.
I think they are missing the point.
I reckon May has calculated - deviously and shrewdly like you say - that a manifesto based on negotiating a 'good deal' for Britain, could bring her a 100-majority of new MPs and a mandate to tell the Kippers and Tory agitating right-wingers to shut it.
May was a fully-paid-up Cameroon for ten years. She knows the Hard Brexiters in the party aren't popular. She coined the term 'the nasty party'. She's no Hard Brexiteer.
I suspect the right wingers are in for a nasty surprise post-election.
I have No idea why labour might have a problem in the midlands...Within seconds of start of interview with labour nuneaton PPC he was banging on about CO2 emissions.
G-Live: Bad news for the live blogging community. According to Channel 4 News’ Gary Gibbon, Theresa May will not be taking part in general election debates. It sounds like we are not going to get many press conferences either.
It's going to be a weirdly quiet, boringly predictable General Election. But a necessary one.
Hell you are boring twat everyone would like to see Corbyn V May .If he is that crap what is her worry ?
Are you OK, hun?
Personally, I'd like to see May V Corbyn, and I would regret it if TV debates did not come back for the next election. But I can see May's logic in turning them down.
We're getting a sense of May's political persona now. She's shrewd, she's devious, she's flinty, she can be very ruthless and calculating. She seems quite cold and not particularly personable, but she sounds like the sort of person you would want negotiating Brexit.
She's also got the measure of Sturgeon.
It's definitely in her interest to avoid the debates. The accusations of being frit are not that damaging compared to any 'cleggmania' type event occurring in them.
If the broadcasters had the guts, they would organise debates, invite the candidates, and if May doesn't turn up, empty chair her. If they do it outside the official campaign period they should have more leeway on how they go about it.
Not sure if the wackier and just plain wronger theory of the day so far is Cleggmania therefore Corbynmania, or that May's actions today mark her as a Gordon Brown lookalike.
And would you seriously fancy Corbyn's chances against an empty chair?
The Mirror have a voodoo poll asking who people will vote for at the election:
Con 34%, Lab 31%, LD 26%!
That would be hilarious. Imagine if the NEV from the locals seems to bear that out, May would look pretty stupid then.
You're missing the point, which is that Mirror readers, of all people, are putting Con ahead in a voodoo poll, with LDs chasing Lab for 2nd.
Compare with this YouGov survey of readers' attitudes, from 2015:
But it’s only fair to point out that 9% of the Labour-supporting Daily Mirror’s readers also voted for Ukip despite a big rise in its readers’ support for Labour (up from 59% to 67%). Again, however, the Lib Dem support slumped (down from 17% to 5%) while the previous support for the Tories, of 16%, fell to 11%.
On topic - some obvious minimum targets for each party. These are what ok-ish results would look like. Anything less varies from a disappointment to a disaster.
Conservatives - majority of over 50 (so c.340 seats) and 43% of the vote.
Labour - 190 seats and 29% of the vote. They seem very unlikely to get this, but without knowing how colossal a pair of twats Corbyn and Macdonnell will make of themselves in the campaign it is hard to know just how low a floor to set. However, anything less will leave Corbyn's successor with an impossible task, so this has to be the absolute minimum goal.
SNP - 53 seats. Realistically, their target for the popular vote is somewhat skewed because they are not standing nationally. Although it seems a tad unlikely they will get 50% in their own strength again, what they need is for the pro-independence parties to get over 50% so they can claim a mandate for their posturing about this referendum. That's a complicated position, but the big risk with this snap election is that it reenergises a campaign that apart from the usual suspects just had people pointing and laughing.
Liberal Democrats - their target should be to retake third and get their vote into double digits. The latter is feasible, the former probably isn't unless Labour utterly implodes. 12 seats would be a good result, for 20 seats I would want to know what price Farron sold his sole for. 15% of the vote looks feasible.
Plaid Cymru - if they fail to take Ynys Mon they will look like idiots. But actually Rhondda might be more vulnerable. 20% per candidate would be impressive but is the upper end of what they'll get.
For UKIP - any seat of any sort and 5% of the national vote would be some result.
For the Greens - holding their current seat. They may well not do so if Corbyn siphons off their vote. 2% of the vote nationally is probably their best bet.
For the DUP - largest party in Northern Ireland.
For Sinn Fein - displacing the DUP.
For the other NI - a seat each.
Obviously, not all of those will happen. The party most vulnerable to fiasco is obviously Labour followed by the DUP (one positive would be that if they come second, Foster will be sacked and devolution can resume). It is however easy to imagine that the Conservatives and SNP will fall well short of the hype and have a lot of angry supporters on June 9th. The value for over performance looks to me to be the Liberal Democrats. They are a unionist remainer party (which might play well in large parts of Scotland) Farron is an effective campaigner and they look up for the fight, unlike the others. A 1992 style result should not be beyond them although unless Corbyn punches or swears at someone on campaign (which unfortunately seems all too possible) anything better is probably out of reach. A lot of those seats would be Tory - Eastbourne, Chichester, Bath might be vulnerable.
G-Live: Bad news for the live blogging community. According to Channel 4 News’ Gary Gibbon, Theresa May will not be taking part in general election debates. It sounds like we are not going to get many press conferences either.
Now that is being frit - I know Corbyn can hold his own in a debate, but you'd think she'd welcome the opportunity to pin him down in a debate
Of course she's frit. She's also very sensible. Blair turned down debates in 1997 and 2001 on the same sensible basis that you don't risk a big lead on a debate, even when you're LotO, never mind as PM.
Besides, it's very late in the day now. Getting agreement on debate format would be difficult after all the shenanigans last time on who should be in and who shouldn't. LDs, UKIP and SNP are all now effectively joint third, so to exclude any one of them would be to invite a legal challenge. But include SNP and that raises a question about Plaid. UKIP's zero MPs (or one, if you go by the last election), brings the Greens into play.
For the Tories, expect a thoroughly boring, safety-first election campaign. When you're 4-0 up with 20 minutes to go, you don't play 4-2-4. Let the opposition attack and then exploit the space as their formation and discipline goes.
The Tories can't play it *too* safe, though. They have to fire up enough people in the Midlands and winnable parts of the NE / NW to capitalise on this opportunity. North of the Watford Gap the GOTV effort will be critical. This, I guess, is why having Sir Lynton on board is in turn so critical.
Yup. Which is why the beasting of Jezza and McMao is going to be utterly vicious. Corbyn will have to pretend to be up for becoming PM and make the right noises. And the Tories will unleash all the festering shite in his history right back upon him. I'll bet my bottom dollar the Birmingham Pub Bombings and Corbyn's kind words for the IRA make an appearance. Jezza's going to be very, very happy when he gets trounced.
G-Live: Bad news for the live blogging community. According to Channel 4 News’ Gary Gibbon, Theresa May will not be taking part in general election debates. It sounds like we are not going to get many press conferences either.
It's going to be a weirdly quiet, boringly predictable General Election. But a necessary one.
Hell you are boring twat everyone would like to see Corbyn V May .If he is that crap what is her worry ?
Are you OK, hun?
Personally, I'd like to see May V Corbyn, and I would regret it if TV debates did not come back for the next election. But I can see May's logic in turning them down.
We're getting a sense of May's political persona now. She's shrewd, she's devious, she's flinty, she can be very ruthless and calculating. She seems quite cold and not particularly personable, but she sounds like the sort of person you would want negotiating Brexit.
She's also got the measure of Sturgeon.
Anyone who uses the teeth-clenching hell phrase that is "you okay hun?" should be banished to ConservativeHome for several weeks, long after the election is over. I would have expected better of you in particular Sean. Hang your cliched Cornish head in shame, misery and regret.
Did you see the comment I was replying to? He's lucky he got a cliche out of me.
A50 has been triggered, so the meltdown is due any day now...
Brexit is a political process which consists of power being removed from the United Kingdom. The economy is only at risk if the UK decides to fight the process.
G-Live: Bad news for the live blogging community. According to Channel 4 News’ Gary Gibbon, Theresa May will not be taking part in general election debates. It sounds like we are not going to get many press conferences either.
Now that is being frit - I know Corbyn can hold his own in a debate, but you'd think she'd welcome the opportunity to pin him down in a debate
Of course she's frit. She's also very sensible. Blair turned down debates in 1997 and 2001 on the same sensible basis that you don't risk a big lead on a debate, even when you're LotO, never mind as PM.
Besides, it's very late in the day now. Getting agreement on debate format would be difficult after all the shenanigans last time on who should be in and who shouldn't. LDs, UKIP and SNP are all now effectively joint third, so to exclude any one of them would be to invite a legal challenge. But include SNP and that raises a question about Plaid. UKIP's zero MPs (or one, if you go by the last election), brings the Greens into play.
For the Tories, expect a thoroughly boring, safety-first election campaign. When you're 4-0 up with 20 minutes to go, you don't play 4-2-4. Let the opposition attack and then exploit the space as their formation and discipline goes.
The Tories can't play it *too* safe, though. They have to fire up enough people in the Midlands and winnable parts of the NE / NW to capitalise on this opportunity. North of the Watford Gap the GOTV effort will be critical. This, I guess, is why having Sir Lynton on board is in turn so critical.
I'd work on the assumption that Corbyn will do that for them. No need to go too hard on him proactively. Just wait for the media to ask him about the IRA, or for him to lose his rag, or flounder over how his policies don't add up. Then publicise it.
And against that, run on the same Brexit program May's been outlining for months.
G-Live: Bad news for the live blogging community. According to Channel 4 News’ Gary Gibbon, Theresa May will not be taking part in general election debates. It sounds like we are not going to get many press conferences either.
Now that is being frit - I know Corbyn can hold his own in a debate, but you'd think she'd welcome the opportunity to pin him down in a debate
Of course she's frit. She's also very sensible. Blair turned down debates in 1997 and 2001 on the same sensible basis that you don't risk a big lead on a debate, even when you're LotO, never mind as PM.
Besides, it's very late in the day now. Getting agreement on debate format would be difficult after all the shenanigans last time on who should be in and who shouldn't. LDs, UKIP and SNP are all now effectively joint third, so to exclude any one of them would be to invite a legal challenge. But include SNP and that raises a question about Plaid. UKIP's zero MPs (or one, if you go by the last election), brings the Greens into play.
For the Tories, expect a thoroughly boring, safety-first election campaign. When you're 4-0 up with 20 minutes to go, you don't play 4-2-4. Let the opposition attack and then exploit the space as their formation and discipline goes.
The Tories can't play it *too* safe, though. They have to fire up enough people in the Midlands and winnable parts of the NE / NW to capitalise on this opportunity. North of the Watford Gap the GOTV effort will be critical. This, I guess, is why having Sir Lynton on board is in turn so critical.
Expect billboards of Jezza in the pocket of the IRA, Hezbollah and Hamas across the country any day now...
The Mirror have a voodoo poll asking who people will vote for at the election:
Con 34%, Lab 31%, LD 26%!
That would be hilarious. Imagine if the NEV from the locals seems to bear that out, May would look pretty stupid then.
You're missing the point, which is that Mirror readers, of all people, are putting Con ahead in a voodoo poll, with LDs chasing Lab for 2nd.
Compare with this YouGov survey of readers' attitudes, from 2015:
But it’s only fair to point out that 9% of the Labour-supporting Daily Mirror’s readers also voted for Ukip despite a big rise in its readers’ support for Labour (up from 59% to 67%). Again, however, the Lib Dem support slumped (down from 17% to 5%) while the previous support for the Tories, of 16%, fell to 11%.
G-Live: Bad news for the live blogging community. According to Channel 4 News’ Gary Gibbon, Theresa May will not be taking part in general election debates. It sounds like we are not going to get many press conferences either.
Now that is being frit - I know Corbyn can hold his own in a debate, but you'd think she'd welcome the opportunity to pin him down in a debate
Of course she's frit. She's also very sensible. Blair turned down debates in 1997 and 2001 on the same sensible basis that you don't risk a big lead on a debate, even when you're LotO, never mind as PM.
Besides, it's very late in the day now. Getting agreement on debate format would be difficult after all the shenanigans last time on who should be in and who shouldn't. LDs, UKIP and SNP are all now effectively joint third, so to exclude any one of them would be to invite a legal challenge. But include SNP and that raises a question about Plaid. UKIP's zero MPs (or one, if you go by the last election), brings the Greens into play.
For the Tories, expect a thoroughly boring, safety-first election campaign. When you're 4-0 up with 20 minutes to go, you don't play 4-2-4. Let the opposition attack and then exploit the space as their formation and discipline goes.
The Tories can't play it *too* safe, though. They have to fire up enough people in the Midlands and winnable parts of the NE / NW to capitalise on this opportunity. North of the Watford Gap the GOTV effort will be critical. This, I guess, is why having Sir Lynton on board is in turn so critical.
Expect billboards of Jezza in the pocket of the IRA, Hezbollah and Hamas across the country any day now...
Would be shocked if Tories don't plaster Facebook with them.
Never seen Corbyn as happy as he just was on Sky News.
Relief that he knows the nightmare of his own leadership will soon be over?
Do not be daft. He knows that in several weeks he will be the PM who ground the Tory Scum under his heel, vanquishing them forever and ushering in the 1,000 reign of Momentum.
And in response we'll set up a thousand year PB Tory reich in exile.
A50 has been triggered, so the meltdown is due any day now...
Brexit is a political process which consists of power being removed from the United Kingdom. The economy is only at risk if the UK decides to fight the process.
Can I get my 2015 money back on Thurrock? (the best value loser I think I have had on politics)
Less than 1000 votes between Conservatives in 1st and UKIP in 3rd. The Tory MP then campaigned for Remain, ludicrously unfriendly to Corbyn I would imagine. Probably one of the few seats UKIP have any chance in
G-Live: Bad news for the live blogging community. According to Channel 4 News’ Gary Gibbon, Theresa May will not be taking part in general election debates. It sounds like we are not going to get many press conferences either.
It's going to be a weirdly quiet, boringly predictable General Election. But a necessary one.
Hell you are boring twat everyone would like to see Corbyn V May .If he is that crap what is her worry ?
Are you OK, hun?
Personally, I'd like to see May V Corbyn, and I would regret it if TV debates did not come back for the next election. But I can see May's logic in turning them down.
We're getting a sense of May's political persona now. She's shrewd, she's devious, she's flinty, she can be very ruthless and calculating. She seems quite cold and not particularly personable, but she sounds like the sort of person you would want negotiating Brexit.
She's also got the measure of Sturgeon.
It's definitely in her interest to avoid the debates. The accusations of being frit are not that damaging compared to any 'cleggmania' type event occurring in them.
If the broadcasters had the guts, they would organise debates, invite the candidates, and if May doesn't turn up, empty chair her. If they do it outside the official campaign period they should have more leeway on how they go about it.
Er, we've only got seven weeks until polling day? All it will take is for one political party to be dis-satisfied with the time they are allocated or the format of one debates and go to court and the whole thing will be over before its started.
Debates are are a non-starter in this election. They aren't going to happen.
If a debate happened outside of campaign time there is no grounds for court action by any party? I would expect any major broadcaster to be able to rustle up a proposed debate format pretty quickly.
A 7 way debate like last time wouldn't invite court cases anyway. But you're right, they won't happen. Which is a shame, they have been a welcome addition to election campaigns.
Can I get my 2015 money back on Thurrock? (the best value loser I think I have had on politics)
Less than 1000 votes between Conservatives in 1st and UKIP in 3rd. The Tory MP then campaigned for Remain. Probably one of the few seats UKIP have any chance in
G-Live: Bad news for the live blogging community. According to Channel 4 News’ Gary Gibbon, Theresa May will not be taking part in general election debates. It sounds like we are not going to get many press conferences either.
It's going to be a weirdly quiet, boringly predictable General Election. But a necessary one.
Hell you are boring twat everyone would like to see Corbyn V May .If he is that crap what is her worry ?
Are you OK, hun?
Personally, I'd like to see May V Corbyn, and I would regret it if TV debates did not come back for the next election. But I can see May's logic in turning them down.
We're getting a sense of May's political persona now. She's shrewd, she's devious, she's flinty, she can be very ruthless and calculating. She seems quite cold and not particularly personable, but she sounds like the sort of person you would want negotiating Brexit.
She's also got the measure of Sturgeon.
I don't think any sensible PM would turn down an open goal at a general election, which is exactly what the Tories have presented to them. She is Brown-esque in some ways, but her masterstroke was embracing Brexit, unequivocally, after the result. Corbyn and Labour did not do that, and still don't.
I usually dread general elections, especially the last two when none of us were really certain of the result. Not this time. I say with absolute certainty that there is nothing on this planet that could propel Jeremy Corbyn to Downing Street. Gary Glitter has a better chance of being PM than he does.
True they never play his records on the radio even if they are reviewing the early seventies.He was massive then with many number 1s obliterated from history like Corbyn will be.
G-Live: Bad news for the live blogging community. According to Channel 4 News’ Gary Gibbon, Theresa May will not be taking part in general election debates. It sounds like we are not going to get many press conferences either.
It's going to be a weirdly quiet, boringly predictable General Election. But a necessary one.
Hell you are boring twat everyone would like to see Corbyn V May .If he is that crap what is her worry ?
Are you OK, hun?
Personally, I'd like to see May V Corbyn, and I would regret it if TV debates did not come back for the next election. But I can see May's logic in turning them down.
We're getting a sense of May's political persona now. She's shrewd, she's devious, she's flinty, she can be very ruthless and calculating. She seems quite cold and not particularly personable, but she sounds like the sort of person you would want negotiating Brexit.
She's also got the measure of Sturgeon.
It's definitely in her interest to avoid the debates. The accusations of being frit are not that damaging compared to any 'cleggmania' type event occurring in them.
If the broadcasters had the guts, they would organise debates, invite the candidates, and if May doesn't turn up, empty chair her. If they do it outside the official campaign period they should have more leeway on how they go about it.
Er, we've only got seven weeks until polling day? All it will take is for one political party to be dis-satisfied with the time they are allocated or the format of one debates and go to court and the whole thing will be over before its started.
Debates are are a non-starter in this election. They aren't going to happen.
If a debate happened outside of campaign time there is no grounds for court action by any party? I would expect any major broadcaster to be able to rustle up a proposed debate format pretty quickly.
A 7 way debate like last time wouldn't invite court cases anyway. But you're right, they won't happen. Which is a shame, they have been a welcome addition to election campaigns.
I think they'll be back for the next one in 2021 or 2022. It's just this "snap" election that makes them a non-starter.
Lidlington comment on Gorton - looks like the "can't elect to a dissolved parliament" argument is not a firm rule, just a distant precedent:
There is no statutory provision that provides for the cancellation of a by-election when a general election is in progress. it is up to the judgement of acting returning officer, whom one might expect to regard the by-election writ of having been superseded. This was the course of action taken by the acting returning officer in the one precedent that I’ve found which is dating back to November 1923.”
G-Live: Bad news for the live blogging community. According to Channel 4 News’ Gary Gibbon, Theresa May will not be taking part in general election debates. It sounds like we are not going to get many press conferences either.
It's going to be a weirdly quiet, boringly predictable General Election. But a necessary one.
Hell you are boring twat everyone would like to see Corbyn V May .If he is that crap what is her worry ?
Are you OK, hun?
Personally, I'd like to see May V Corbyn, and I would regret it if TV debates did not come back for the next election. But I can see May's logic in turning them down.
We're getting a sense of May's political persona now. She's shrewd, she's devious, she's flinty, she can be very ruthless and calculating. She seems quite cold and not particularly personable, but she sounds like the sort of person you would want negotiating Brexit.
She's also got the measure of Sturgeon.
It's definitely in her interest to avoid the debates. The accusations of being frit are not that damaging compared to any 'cleggmania' type event occurring in them.
If the broadcasters had the guts, they would organise debates, invite the candidates, and if May doesn't turn up, empty chair her. If they do it outside the official campaign period they should have more leeway on how they go about it.
Er, we've only got seven weeks until polling day? All it will take is for one political party to be dis-satisfied with the time they are allocated or the format of one debates and go to court and the whole thing will be over before its started.
Debates are are a non-starter in this election. They aren't going to happen.
If a debate happened outside of campaign time there is no grounds for court action by any party? I would expect any major broadcaster to be able to rustle up a proposed debate format pretty quickly.
A 7 way debate like last time wouldn't invite court cases anyway. But you're right, they won't happen. Which is a shame, they have been a welcome addition to election campaigns.
There might be a case for court action given the imminence of the election campaign, and even if the case were thrown out, the time taken to hear it might push the debate date into the campaign proper.
@amlivemon 14s14 seconds ago More Last poll from us in France:
Fillon 22% Le Pen 21.5% Macron 21% Melenchon 19%
3136 polled in Paris, Marseille, Nice Toulouse, Dijon, Lille
It seems more and more likely that it'll be Fillon v Le Pen with Macron's voters failing to materialise.
If it were to be Fillon v Le Pen it could well be President Le Pen which would effectively end the EU and leave nothing to Brexit from anyway, though it still looks unlikely
Lidlington comment on Gorton - looks like the "can't elect to a dissolved parliament" argument is not a firm rule, just a distant precedent:
There is no statutory provision that provides for the cancellation of a by-election when a general election is in progress. it is up to the judgement of acting returning officer, whom one might expect to regard the by-election writ of having been superseded. This was the course of action taken by the acting returning officer in the one precedent that I’ve found which is dating back to November 1923.”
The entire UK constitution is based on distant precedent Would be stupid to hold it two days after the parliament they are being elected to is dissolved.
A50 has been triggered, so the meltdown is due any day now...
Brexit is a political process which consists of power being removed from the United Kingdom. The economy is only at risk if the UK decides to fight the process.
@amlivemon 14s14 seconds ago More Last poll from us in France:
Fillon 22% Le Pen 21.5% Macron 21% Melenchon 19%
3136 polled in Paris, Marseille, Nice Toulouse, Dijon, Lille
It seems more and more likely that it'll be Fillon v Le Pen with Macron's voters failing to materialise.
If it were to be Fillon v Le Pen it could well be President Le Pen which would effectively end the EU and leave nothing to Brexit from anyway, though it still looks unlikely
Last time that happened Jospin's supporters supported Chirac with the pithy slogan 'vote for the crook not the fascist.'
I have consistently - despite being a non-Tory - spoken quite warmly of Theresa May since she took office. Today's news has destroyed my faith in her and I now view her as every bit as slimey and slippery as Cameron & Blair. She has trashed her brand at a stroke. Admiitedly I was not going to vote Tory anyway , but I am sure there will be others who will be similarly affected and be much less inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt. Moreover, I voted Leave last here specifically to get rid of Cameron and Osborne. I was appaled at the style of politics they relied upon in the 2015 election and which they tried again with much success in the London Mayoral election last year. Their attempts to scare the electorate into voting Remain persuaded me to vote Leave simply to defeat that style of politics. For the first time I have to question whether I made the correct decision
I am sure Theresa May is devastated by your disappointment in her as she goes on her way to massacring Corbyn
3136 polled in Paris, Marseille, Nice Toulouse, Dijon, Lille
Not a nationwide poll...
Just checked his twitter, he's an out and out Fillon ramper.
No, he's not, IIRC. He tweets generally on politics and the only bias I've seen is pro-Israeli.
But there is no link to any data or website in that "poll". Hmm. Caveat emptor
The only French poll he has retweeted recently was the one most favourable to Fillon. He's also anti-Macron (Check his feed), and has retweeted ONLY FIllon's twitter output - none of the other candidates. He clearly wants Fillon to win.
I'd work on the assumption that Corbyn will do that for them. No need to go too hard on him proactively. Just wait for the media to ask him about the IRA, or for him to lose his rag, or flounder over how his policies don't add up. Then publicise it.
I half expect Corbyn to praise Kim Jong-un in some way shortly before the fat git nukes Seoul.
Indeed, she’s not just going to win; she’s going to win big. Contrary to common wisdom, bookies don’t necessarily know better than opinion pollsters when it comes to predicting political events, but they know a racing certainty when they see one. Within minutes of the PM’s announcement, one national chain was giving odds of 2/9 on an overall majority for the Conservatives, with Labour out on 14/1.
To those Corbynistas who think the public will warm to Jeremy and his policies once they see more of him: Not. Going. To. Happen. If the Labour leader and his team think they’ve had a raw deal from the media – and from the Tories – since he took over, they ain’t seen nothing yet. Even on a level playing field (and it won’t be one) they’d still stand no chance: they’re miles behind on the economy, serious difficulties in the NHS haven’t yet fed through electorally, and Labour is seen as neither trustworthy nor competent. Game over
G-Live: Bad news for the live blogging community. According to Channel 4 News’ Gary Gibbon, Theresa May will not be taking part in general election debates. It sounds like we are not going to get many press conferences either.
Now that is being frit - I know Corbyn can hold his own in a debate, but you'd think she'd welcome the opportunity to pin him down in a debate
Of course she's frit. She's also very sensible. Blair turned down debates in 1997 and 2001 on the same sensible basis that you don't risk a big lead on a debate, even when you're LotO, never mind as PM.
Besides, it's very late in the day now. Getting agreement on debate format would be difficult after all the shenanigans last time on who should be in and who shouldn't. LDs, UKIP and SNP are all now effectively joint third, so to exclude any one of them would be to invite a legal challenge. But include SNP and that raises a question about Plaid. UKIP's zero MPs (or one, if you go by the last election), brings the Greens into play.
For the Tories, expect a thoroughly boring, safety-first election campaign. When you're 4-0 up with 20 minutes to go, you don't play 4-2-4. Let the opposition attack and then exploit the space as their formation and discipline goes.
The Tories can't play it *too* safe, though. They have to fire up enough people in the Midlands and winnable parts of the NE / NW to capitalise on this opportunity. North of the Watford Gap the GOTV effort will be critical. This, I guess, is why having Sir Lynton on board is in turn so critical.
I'd work on the assumption that Corbyn will do that for them. No need to go too hard on him proactively. Just wait for the media to ask him about the IRA, or for him to lose his rag, or flounder over how his policies don't add up. Then publicise it.
And against that, run on the same Brexit program May's been outlining for months.
You'd want to think so, certainly. But this is an election without too many precedents - guarding against complacency ("we don't need to worry. No-one sane will vote for Corbyn") will be essential.
I have consistently - despite being a non-Tory - spoken quite warmly of Theresa May since she took office. Today's news has destroyed my faith in her and I now view her as every bit as slimey and slippery as Cameron & Blair. She has trashed her brand at a stroke. Admiitedly I was not going to vote Tory anyway , but I am sure there will be others who will be similarly affected and be much less inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt. Moreover, I voted Leave last here specifically to get rid of Cameron and Osborne. I was appaled at the style of politics they relied upon in the 2015 election and which they tried again with much success in the London Mayoral election last year. Their attempts to scare the electorate into voting Remain persuaded me to vote Leave simply to defeat that style of politics. For the first time I have to question whether I made the correct decision
I am sure Theresa May is devastated by your disappointment in her as she goes on her way to massacring Corbyn
Very few of us will be disappointed by Corbyn being massacred. If anything, she will be doing it 3 years earlier.
Lidlington comment on Gorton - looks like the "can't elect to a dissolved parliament" argument is not a firm rule, just a distant precedent:
There is no statutory provision that provides for the cancellation of a by-election when a general election is in progress. it is up to the judgement of acting returning officer, whom one might expect to regard the by-election writ of having been superseded. This was the course of action taken by the acting returning officer in the one precedent that I’ve found which is dating back to November 1923.”
The entire UK constitution is based on distant precedent Would be stupid to hold it two days after the parliament they are being elected to is dissolved.
I agree (although an embarrassment for Labour could prove very tempting).
It's just notable that we have had a day of hard rules being advocated, yet in the end it all comes down to the whim of the ARO.
G-Live: Bad news for the live blogging community. According to Channel 4 News’ Gary Gibbon, Theresa May will not be taking part in general election debates. It sounds like we are not going to get many press conferences either.
It's going to be a weirdly quiet, boringly predictable General Election. But a necessary one.
Hell you are boring twat everyone would like to see Corbyn V May .If he is that crap what is her worry ?
Are you OK, hun?
Personally, I'd like to see May V Corbyn, and I would regret it if TV debates did not come back for the next election. But I can see May's logic in turning them down.
We're getting a sense of May's political persona now. She's shrewd, she's devious, she's flinty, she can be very ruthless and calculating. She seems quite cold and not particularly personable, but she sounds like the sort of person you would want negotiating Brexit.
She's also got the measure of Sturgeon.
Anyone who uses the teeth-clenching hell phrase that is "you okay hun?" should be banished to ConservativeHome for several weeks, long after the election is over. I would have expected better of you in particular Sean. Hang your cliched Cornish head in shame, misery and regret.
Did you see the comment I was replying to? He's lucky he got a cliche out of me.
Shocking that folk resort to low abuse..
It wasn't being called a twat that irked me, it was the clumsy, witless phrasing with childish punctuation to match.
I have consistently - despite being a non-Tory - spoken quite warmly of Theresa May since she took office. Today's news has destroyed my faith in her and I now view her as every bit as slimey and slippery as Cameron & Blair. She has trashed her brand at a stroke. Admiitedly I was not going to vote Tory anyway , but I am sure there will be others who will be similarly affected and be much less inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt. Moreover, I voted Leave last here specifically to get rid of Cameron and Osborne. I was appaled at the style of politics they relied upon in the 2015 election and which they tried again with much success in the London Mayoral election last year. Their attempts to scare the electorate into voting Remain persuaded me to vote Leave simply to defeat that style of politics. For the first time I have to question whether I made the correct decision
I am sure Theresa May is devastated by your disappointment in her as she goes on her way to massacring Corbyn
Very few of us will be disappointed by Corbyn being massacred. If anything, she will be doing it 3 years earlier.
G-Live: Bad news for the live blogging community. According to Channel 4 News’ Gary Gibbon, Theresa May will not be taking part in general election debates. It sounds like we are not going to get many press conferences either.
It's going to be a weirdly quiet, boringly predictable General Election. But a necessary one.
Hell you are boring twat everyone would like to see Corbyn V May .If he is that crap what is her worry ?
Are you OK, hun?
Personally, I'd like to see May V Corbyn, and I would regret it if TV debates did not come back for the next election. But I can see May's logic in turning them down.
We're getting a sense of May's political persona now. She's shrewd, she's devious, she's flinty, she can be very ruthless and calculating. She seems quite cold and not particularly personable, but she sounds like the sort of person you would want negotiating Brexit.
She's also got the measure of Sturgeon.
I don't think any sensible PM would turn down an open goal at a general election, which is exactly what the Tories have presented to them. She is Brown-esque in some ways, but her masterstroke was embracing Brexit, unequivocally, after the result. Corbyn and Labour did not do that, and still don't.
I usually dread general elections, especially the last two when none of us were really certain of the result. Not this time. I say with absolute certainty that there is nothing on this planet that could propel Jeremy Corbyn to Downing Street. Gary Glitter has a better chance of being PM than he does.
It really worries me when people are as definite as that - too reminiscent of Famous Last Words.
Indeed, she’s not just going to win; she’s going to win big. Contrary to common wisdom, bookies don’t necessarily know better than opinion pollsters when it comes to predicting political events, but they know a racing certainty when they see one. Within minutes of the PM’s announcement, one national chain was giving odds of 2/9 on an overall majority for the Conservatives, with Labour out on 14/1.
To those Corbynistas who think the public will warm to Jeremy and his policies once they see more of him: Not. Going. To. Happen. If the Labour leader and his team think they’ve had a raw deal from the media – and from the Tories – since he took over, they ain’t seen nothing yet. Even on a level playing field (and it won’t be one) they’d still stand no chance: they’re miles behind on the economy, serious difficulties in the NHS haven’t yet fed through electorally, and Labour is seen as neither trustworthy nor competent. Game over
@amlivemon 14s14 seconds ago More Last poll from us in France:
Fillon 22% Le Pen 21.5% Macron 21% Melenchon 19%
3136 polled in Paris, Marseille, Nice Toulouse, Dijon, Lille
It seems more and more likely that it'll be Fillon v Le Pen with Macron's voters failing to materialise.
If it were to be Fillon v Le Pen it could well be President Le Pen which would effectively end the EU and leave nothing to Brexit from anyway, though it still looks unlikely
Last time that happened Jospin's supporters supported Chirac with the pithy slogan 'vote for the crook not the fascist.'
Could still work...
That was then but Fillon has only been polling in the mid- to high-50s vs Le Pen (though has had some better scores these last few days). He should still win but that line-up's her best chance.
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Has there ever been an election where the leader has resigned, fallen ill or otherwise not been able to complete the campaign?
TM strategy will probably be to say and do as little as possible that is new and just endlessly repeat that the country needs stability for seven weeks.
If the broadcasters had the guts, they would organise debates, invite the candidates, and if May doesn't turn up, empty chair her. If they do it outside the official campaign period they should have more leeway on how they go about it.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/news.sky.com/story/amp/imf-raises-forecast-for-uk-economic-growth-to-2-in-2017-10842188
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/854338691434774529
...are they all going to manage to show up and vote for the election? Everyone's talking like this is a done deal but are we sure the government have the numbers?
Balls if he stands in June? (desperately short notice though, probably booked up for months ahead giving speeches etc). Odds = 51 last time I looked.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017
Betfair to go bananas when it is I think.
Debates are are a non-starter in this election. They aren't going to happen.
I usually dread general elections, especially the last two when none of us were really certain of the result. Not this time. I say with absolute certainty that there is nothing on this planet that could propel Jeremy Corbyn to Downing Street. Gary Glitter has a better chance of being PM than he does.
I think they are missing the point.
I reckon May has calculated - deviously and shrewdly like you say - that a manifesto based on negotiating a 'good deal' for Britain, could bring her a 100-majority of new MPs and a mandate to tell the Kippers and Tory agitating right-wingers to shut it.
May was a fully-paid-up Cameroon for ten years. She knows the Hard Brexiters in the party aren't popular. She coined the term 'the nasty party'. She's no Hard Brexiteer.
I suspect the right wingers are in for a nasty surprise post-election.
And would you seriously fancy Corbyn's chances against an empty chair?
Not a nationwide poll...
Compare with this YouGov survey of readers' attitudes, from 2015:
But it’s only fair to point out that 9% of the Labour-supporting Daily Mirror’s readers also voted for Ukip despite a big rise in its readers’ support for Labour (up from 59% to 67%). Again, however, the Lib Dem support slumped (down from 17% to 5%) while the previous support for the Tories, of 16%, fell to 11%.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2015/jun/08/newspaper-reader-election-ukip-express-sun-mail-telegraph
Conservatives - majority of over 50 (so c.340 seats) and 43% of the vote.
Labour - 190 seats and 29% of the vote. They seem very unlikely to get this, but without knowing how colossal a pair of twats Corbyn and Macdonnell will make of themselves in the campaign it is hard to know just how low a floor to set. However, anything less will leave Corbyn's successor with an impossible task, so this has to be the absolute minimum goal.
SNP - 53 seats. Realistically, their target for the popular vote is somewhat skewed because they are not standing nationally. Although it seems a tad unlikely they will get 50% in their own strength again, what they need is for the pro-independence parties to get over 50% so they can claim a mandate for their posturing about this referendum. That's a complicated position, but the big risk with this snap election is that it reenergises a campaign that apart from the usual suspects just had people pointing and laughing.
Liberal Democrats - their target should be to retake third and get their vote into double digits. The latter is feasible, the former probably isn't unless Labour utterly implodes. 12 seats would be a good result, for 20 seats I would want to know what price Farron sold his sole for. 15% of the vote looks feasible.
Plaid Cymru - if they fail to take Ynys Mon they will look like idiots. But actually Rhondda might be more vulnerable. 20% per candidate would be impressive but is the upper end of what they'll get.
For UKIP - any seat of any sort and 5% of the national vote would be some result.
For the Greens - holding their current seat. They may well not do so if Corbyn siphons off their vote. 2% of the vote nationally is probably their best bet.
For the DUP - largest party in Northern Ireland.
For Sinn Fein - displacing the DUP.
For the other NI - a seat each.
Obviously, not all of those will happen. The party most vulnerable to fiasco is obviously Labour followed by the DUP (one positive would be that if they come second, Foster will be sacked and devolution can resume). It is however easy to imagine that the Conservatives and SNP will fall well short of the hype and have a lot of angry supporters on June 9th. The value for over performance looks to me to be the Liberal Democrats. They are a unionist remainer party (which might play well in large parts of Scotland) Farron is an effective campaigner and they look up for the fight, unlike the others. A 1992 style result should not be beyond them although unless Corbyn punches or swears at someone on campaign (which unfortunately seems all too possible) anything better is probably out of reach. A lot of those seats would be Tory - Eastbourne, Chichester, Bath might be vulnerable.
Those are immediate thoughts. Any comments?
Mr. Z, Corbyn would be thwarted by an empty snuffbox.
And against that, run on the same Brexit program May's been outlining for months.
https://twitter.com/anneapplebaum/status/854328106966016000
Less than 1000 votes between Conservatives in 1st and UKIP in 3rd. The Tory MP then campaigned for Remain, ludicrously unfriendly to Corbyn I would imagine. Probably one of the few seats UKIP have any chance in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurrock_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
A 7 way debate like last time wouldn't invite court cases anyway. But you're right, they won't happen. Which is a shame, they have been a welcome addition to election campaigns.
Amazing how they know this given GE only announced a few hours ago.
Rupert Myers @RupertMyers
It's a sign of Theresa May's confidence, not weakness, that means she feels no need to debate Jeremy
There is no statutory provision that provides for the cancellation of a by-election when a general election is in progress. it is up to the judgement of acting returning officer, whom one might expect to regard the by-election writ of having been superseded. This was the course of action taken by the acting returning officer in the one precedent that I’ve found which is dating back to November 1923.”
Will the ex UKIP MP Mr Carswell be allowed to fight as a Tory?
If Mr Carswell fights the election, do we expect Mr Banks to be against him as promised?
Who will be Tory in the leafy bits of London? Zac or a new candidate?
Could still work...
Indeed, she’s not just going to win; she’s going to win big. Contrary to common wisdom, bookies don’t necessarily know better than opinion pollsters when it comes to predicting political events, but they know a racing certainty when they see one. Within minutes of the PM’s announcement, one national chain was giving odds of 2/9 on an overall majority for the Conservatives, with Labour out on 14/1.
To those Corbynistas who think the public will warm to Jeremy and his policies once they see more of him: Not. Going. To. Happen. If the Labour leader and his team think they’ve had a raw deal from the media – and from the Tories – since he took over, they ain’t seen nothing yet. Even on a level playing field (and it won’t be one) they’d still stand no chance: they’re miles behind on the economy, serious difficulties in the NHS haven’t yet fed through electorally, and Labour is seen as neither trustworthy nor competent. Game over
https://theconversation.com/snap-election-a-win-win-for-theresa-may-shell-crush-labour-and-make-brexit-a-little-easier-76362
Time time move on.
She is still a lying bitch.
It's just notable that we have had a day of hard rules being advocated, yet in the end it all comes down to the whim of the ARO.
Again uncle lynton showed people make a judgement and once they have, very difficult to shift and doesn't happen in a few week of a GE campaign.