I am surprised she doesn't have a decent soundbite on each issue, dropped in early... e.g. explaining why she thinks grammar schools are good in a concise phrase. These are issues she must have known would come up, so have a good opening gambit.
May's done quite well but she winds me up no end when she pretends that she has to abuse the disabled and underpay the nurses because she has no alternative.
That was painful/agonising to watch. Hope that lady gets the prompt treatment she needs.
And it's the degrading treatment of people like her by the Tories that has finally started to resonate with the voters.
There is the minor problem that it was Labour that first planned revisiting people's entitlement to disabled living payments.
True. It's well known that the Department of Work of Pensions didn't start being a shitshow under IDS, as anyone who remembers James Purnell time there knows.
It's one of the things that I find the most disillusioning about Labour, far more than what Corbyn might have thought about the Falklands when I was a kid. Very many of the things Labour now claims to oppose - tuition fees, Academy schools, greater use of private providers by the NHS, reexamining eligibility to disabled benefit payments - are ideas first developed by their own government.
It's one of the reasons why I was never a great fan of New Labour. Its hilarious to watch Corbynistas slag off the LDs on twitter when the party they are voting for introduced tution fees, and doubled them in the first place.
I am starting to think that the move to Corbyn is more Brexit related than an increase in the youth vote. Those wanting to remain can see a weak Corbyn rolling over and they get their soft Brexit. They know that medium term Corbyn will fail but at least the Country is still close to their EU and by 2022 socialism will have put the economy in a disaster zone and the conservatives will again have to return to sort out the economy.
For the first time I think Theresa will lose her majority and that there will a minority government.
I am sorry for her and have supported her but if that is the result she will stand down and a new leader elected
Not really - just seems a likely case to me and I am stating an honest opinion. I would be delighted to be wrong
Prepare to be delighted.
Thanks Jack - maybe I am reading the negatives too much
JackW is right. Sure mistakes have been made. The biggest in my view is not giving more info about Tory candidates from the off in the CCHQ literature. But there have been positives, when I suggested Farron was not very good 2 mths ago I was pilloried. He has been much worse than my wildest dreams. However, I think the polls exaggerate his unpopularity in the mirror of what happened in 2010. And I say that as someone who has expected him to lose his own seat from the beginning.
As with the Copeland by-election W&L is going to be a cliff edge result. Without national resource Farron would lose by about 5k. However, he will pull in help from anywhere to protect himself - forget any gains for the LDs from the Cons for that reason. He is struggling in Kendal but as with Copeland in the by-election it is in the remote areas where he is really losing it. Giving the same caveats as I gave for Copeland I think this will be a Con gain, with a similar majority, 2000 ish
Not got over your defeat by Nick Cotton yet , then .
May did pretty well to be fair. Less robotic than usual and didn't resort to endless soundbites. Obviously well prepared for the more predictable questions.
That was painful/agonising to watch. Hope that lady gets the prompt treatment she needs.
And it's the degrading treatment of people like her by the Tories that has finally started to resonate with the voters.
There is the minor problem that it was Labour that first planned revisiting people's entitlement to disabled living payments.
True. It's well known that the Department of Work of Pensions didn't start being a shitshow under IDS, as anyone who remembers James Purnell time there knows.
It's one of the things that I find the most disillusioning about Labour, far more than what Corbyn might have thought about the Falklands when I was a kid. Very many of the things Labour now claims to oppose - tuition fees, Academy schools, greater use of private providers by the NHS, reexamining eligibility to disabled benefit payments - are ideas first developed by their own government.
It's one of the reasons why I was never a great fan of New Labour. Its hilarious to watch Corbynistas slag off the LDs on twitter when the party they are voting for introduced tution fees, and doubled them in the first place.
Memo to The Tories, don't smear that nurse like the Nats did.
The fact is while unemployment is still low wages on average are still not rising that fast not just for nurses but if they did rise faster unemployment would likely rise too
Memo to The Tories, don't smear that nurse like the Nats did.
The fact is while unemployment is still low wages on average are still not rising that fast not just for nurses but if they did rise faster unemployment would likely rise too
I would be very confident we don't give aid to NK. And I would expect May to be also. She didn't want to say so because of the slim chance that the guy was right and it became the gaffe of the campaign. Which left her hedging around and looking a bit foolish.
Memo to The Tories, don't smear that nurse like the Nats did.
The fact is while unemployment is still low wages on average are still not rising that fast not just for nurses but if they did rise faster unemployment would likely rise too
However you want to fudge it, you appear to be supporting a pay cut for nurses. Either that or you are innumerate (I know you aren't)
As much as I thought Cameron was a poor Prime minister he did have the knack of polishing a turd in the way only the most skilled marketeers can. Clearly not May's forte.
This general election campaign must be the strangest I can remember.
The Dementia Tax was a gaping open goal to set the record street and she buggered it up.
The guy showed in his follow up question he still didn't get it and thought he could be in penury in his lifetime - instead of reassuring directly she stutters about generational fairness.
I am starting to think that the move to Corbyn is more Brexit related than an increase in the youth vote. Those wanting to remain can see a weak Corbyn rolling over and they get their soft Brexit. They know that medium term Corbyn will fail but at least the Country is still close to their EU and by 2022 socialism will have put the economy in a disaster zone and the conservatives will again have to return to sort out the economy.
For the first time I think Theresa will lose her majority and that there will a minority government.
I am sorry for her and have supported her but if that is the result she will stand down and a new leader elected
Not really - just seems a likely case to me and I am stating an honest opinion. I would be delighted to be wrong
Prepare to be delighted.
Thanks Jack - maybe I am reading the negatives too much
JackW is right. Sure mistakes have been made. The biggest in my view is not giving more info about Tory candidates from the off in the CCHQ literature. But there have been positives, when I suggested Farron was not very good 2 mths ago I was pilloried. He has been much worse than my wildest dreams. However, I think the polls exaggerate his unpopularity in the mirror of what happened in 2010. And I say that as someone who has expected him to lose his own seat from the beginning.
As with the Copeland by-election W&L is going to be a cliff edge result. Without national resource Farron would lose by about 5k. However, he will pull in help from anywhere to protect himself - forget any gains for the LDs from the Cons for that reason. He is struggling in Kendal but as with Copeland in the by-election it is in the remote areas where he is really losing it. Giving the same caveats as I gave for Copeland I think this will be a Con gain, with a similar majority, 2000 ish
Do you really think that LibDem activists from South West London are heading up to Cumbria to fight for Farron?
Farron and Robertson losing their seats but Corbyn doing well enough to stay as Labour leader but not well enough to win would be a very satisfying result for the Tories
Memo to The Tories, don't smear that nurse like the Nats did.
The fact is while unemployment is still low wages on average are still not rising that fast not just for nurses but if they did rise faster unemployment would likely rise too
However you want to fudge it, you appear to be supporting a pay cut for nurses. Either that or you are innumerate (I know you aren't)
No their pay is still going up but the fact remains there is still not enough saved in the public finances to give public sector workers a big increase and in any case it is not as if private sector workers are much better off wage wise on average either
@ShippersUnbound: "I would sign a letter with any other letter" says Jezza on climate change. That's what he's been doing for 40 years. Signing letters
Corbyn is much more confident in tone than May is, that is why he comes off much better.
Whether he is actually comptent at the day to business of government is totally different thing. Blair and Cameron were great speakers, but won't have exactly great legacies.
Memo to The Tories, don't smear that nurse like the Nats did.
The fact is while unemployment is still low wages on average are still not rising that fast not just for nurses but if they did rise faster unemployment would likely rise too
Point spectacurly missed by you. Again.
It is an economic fact however much you want to spin it
I would be very confident we don't give aid to NK. And I would expect May to be also. She didn't want to say so because of the slim chance that the guy was right and it became the gaffe of the campaign. Which left her hedging around and looking a bit foolish.
Oops,..and it seems May did the right thing. A quick search suggests we do indeed give about £750k to various agencies who are allowed to work in NK.
Not however aid to Mr Kim's landslide majority government.
Memo to The Tories, don't smear that nurse like the Nats did.
The fact is while unemployment is still low wages on average are still not rising that fast not just for nurses but if they did rise faster unemployment would likely rise too
However you want to fudge it, you appear to be supporting a pay cut for nurses. Either that or you are innumerate (I know you aren't)
No their pay is still going up but the fact remains there is still not enough saved in the public finances to give public sector workers a big increase and in any case it is not as if private sector workers are much better off wage wise on average either
Their pay is NOT going up if it's below inflation as you know full well. Or you are innumerate. You choose.
I hadn't seen that Tim Farron has again refused to say whether he thinks it's a sin to be homosexual.
Does he have some kind of death wish?
Isn't he entitled to his personal views?
Not really. I have tried to word an answer three times and each time I have deleted before posting.
He is a socially conservative Evangelical Christian, but one who doesn't impose his views on others.
Not good enough. I want leaders who deal in a recognisably sane and secular version of moral philosophy, which comes down to some form of utilitarianism plus a rule of reciprocity like that advanced by Jesus of Nazareth (a great moral thinker if you ignore the godsquaddy stuff): "Do to others what you want them to do to you. This is the meaning of the law of Moses and the teaching of the prophets". If there are *any* moral issues on which he appeals solely to supernatural sources, especially when he is getting nonsensical results about what adults may do with their or other peoples' genitalia, he is unfit to exercise power *even if* he makes concessions over what he is prepared to be "tolerant" about.
Memo to The Tories, don't smear that nurse like the Nats did.
The fact is while unemployment is still low wages on average are still not rising that fast not just for nurses but if they did rise faster unemployment would likely rise too
However you want to fudge it, you appear to be supporting a pay cut for nurses. Either that or you are innumerate (I know you aren't)
No their pay is still going up but the fact remains there is still not enough saved in the public finances to give public sector workers a big increase and in any case it is not as if private sector workers are much better off wage wise on average either
Their pay is NOT going up if it's below inflation as you know full well. Or you are innumerate. You choose.
That is still going up, just not above inflation but average wages are now not going up above inflation either
Corbyn can promise the earth because his main aim this election is to save his leadership which he has done, May cannot as her main aim is to have a manageable programme for government
Someone needs to ask him how much increasing corporation tax an it will raise, people will avoid the tax so tax revenues will fall. People seem to view things in a two dimensional world without looking beyond the simplicity of things. If you can't understand the alternative viewpoint in an argument then you don't end up with the right conclusion
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She thinks Grammar Schools are popular when more than half of kids will only get a secondary modern
Congratulations btw on your ability to post objective and non-partisan judgments on proceedings.
Solid start, wobbled and steadied again.
North fookin Korea though
After all over half of kids don't go to university so aren't they being condemned to a substandard education ?
This general election campaign must be the strangest I can remember.
The Dementia Tax was a gaping open goal to set the record street and she buggered it up.
The guy showed in his follow up question he still didn't get it and thought he could be in penury in his lifetime - instead of reassuring directly she stutters about generational fairness.
Really depressingly poor.
7/10
It surprises me a bit, tbh. I allowed my perspective to get skewed over the last 2 years.
Not good for betting.
Lesson learned.
Fuck me, we could live in a far left socialist state!! Everything will be crap!
Miliband 2015 = May 2017
TM still looks wooden and a question avoider
A lot more clear on what a "good deal" on Brexit means.
Whether he is actually comptent at the day to business of government is totally different thing. Blair and Cameron were great speakers, but won't have exactly great legacies.
Not however aid to Mr Kim's landslide majority government.
Tories hate Santa!!!!
We wouldn't be...
WTF?
Jezza says no truck with racism including anti semitism