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  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrHarryCole: Magic money tree and Trident are trending... ruh oh
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    He is poor on economy. This should have happened long before now

    CCHQ took the maxim "don't peak to soon" a bit too far? :p
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,009
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: This is always Corbyn's response to what he would face Britain face nuclear attack. Pretend he'd already stopped it via negotiation.

    You may as well ask him.how he'd deal with a zombie apocalypse or alien invasion, no one is worried about a nation state nuclear attack. Doesn't enter their thinking.

    Below inflation pay rises, housing costs, education and health are what people care about
    In the age of ISIS, Kim Jong Un, Putin etc it cannot be ignored
    A nuclear deterrent against ISIS?
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
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    Sandpit said:

    Cyan said:

    A fairer society for all....except Jewish people.

    That is not what he said. He described the Holocaust as the biggest stain on human history.
    There is a difference between words and actions.
    Questions and answers are about words.
    The line that Ken Livingstone is anti-Semitic is made-up, dishonest, disingenuous garbage and hardly anybody gives a crap about it.

    Sadly.

    Racism tends to be an issue which minorities care the most about.

    I wonder if this was a subject which concerned anti-black racism, would you be so at ease to say 'and no gives a crap about it' as if it's a good thing.
    Racism is always wrong - unless you're Jewish. Welcome to Corbyn's Labour Party doublespeak.
    This what happens when people are more about defending anything Corbyn says than a concern for racism. I'd expect the left to especially be concerned about anti-semitism given the rise of the alt-right in Europe and America, and alt-righters anti-semitism.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    AndyJS said:

    Corbyn is a good speaker because he's spent 50 years addressing rallies.

    Yes, I don't know why that is surprising. The problem is his "principles", if asked the right questions people learn he isn't what he appears.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 15,545
    Funnily enough I think you would find at least some military brass who would go along with the policy on nuclear weapons as professed by Corbyn. Politically it doesn't fly however.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,261
    Minimum wage causing him some trouble.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,002
    Making zero hours policy up on the hoof
  • chloechloe Posts: 308
    HYUFD said:

    Corbyn struggling badly on this whole use of Trident.

    Openly being mocked by the audience is never a good look.

    Then IGNORING THEM!

    Lost election momentum at that minute methinks
    The election is not lost for as long as Theresa May is Tory leader.

    She's a bit crap.
    So crap she will likely get the highest Tory voteshare for almost half a century next week
    She is better than having Prime Minister Corbyn, Chancellor McDonnell and Home Secretary Abbott.
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    edited June 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    That's it. Sunk.

    Not really, 49% of the UK population either want rid of Trident or want empty subs

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/trident-majority-of-britons-back-keeping-nuclear-weapons-programme-poll-shows-a6831376.html

    Not every Briton is a warmongerer.
    If we've got them, you need to be prepared to use them. If we're not prepared to use them - dump from the manifesto. Corbyn's stance is a nonsense.
    I would have liked to have seen "scrap nukes" in the manifesto. As PM when he receives the strategic defence review - although hopefully before - Jeremy Corbyn should scrap British nukes forever.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,967
    Danny565 said:

    An alternative version of Corbyn who supported Trident and was a bit more immigration-sceptic would be romping home with a 100-seat majority.

    And remove the whole IRA backstory from him, Abbott, and McDonnell and you'd be right.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,002
    Now the IRA
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709

    RoyalBlue said:

    That's it. Sunk.

    Not really, 49% of the UK population either want rid of Trident or want empty subs

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/trident-majority-of-britons-back-keeping-nuclear-weapons-programme-poll-shows-a6831376.html

    Not every Briton is a warmongerer.
    A majority back nuclear weapons though, whether Trident or not and it also plays into the weak on national security narrative
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Sandpit said:

    Floater said:

    nichomar said:

    He's just lost the election by no first use of nuclear weapons, it's not credible that you would only retaliate once we had been attacked.

    He would not use them at all - well, maybe on the Americans......
    Or the Israelis.
    Yep - his good friends Hamas would be pleased
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    jonny83 said:

    Minimum wage causing him some trouble.

    Not in the real world it isn't.

    That's the side of Corbyn that people love.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614
    IRA coming up.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:


    Surely that depends rather on which other LibDems - if any - are elected.

    If Farron goes so probably does Lamb and maybe even Clegg too
    Clegg dynamics are different. Tories aren't for 500 seats to claim Hallam any more. He'll be under threat by this idiot on my TV.

    The Tories take out Lamb and Farron, Labour take out Clegg
  • chloechloe Posts: 308
    AndyJS said:

    Corbyn is a good speaker because he's spent 50 years addressing rallies.


    Doesn't mean he will be a good Prime Minister or Brexit negotiator.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    FF43 said:

    Funnily enough I think you would find at least some military brass who would go along with the policy on nuclear weapons as professed by Corbyn. Politically it doesn't fly however.

    Yeah, they want more troops/boats.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,967
    He just can't condemn the IRA can he?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,967

    Oh dear meltdown over Nuclear Weapons.

    The bubble has burst

    Fookin Unilateralist Idiot

    It'll come down to a basic question. What's most important. That you can't pay your bills despite working hard? Or that "if some idiot in Iran has launched missiles at us 'ow will you stop them"
    Nearly half the people I worked with lost their jobs in 2009 while the Labour government did f'ck all to help.

    So forgive me if I don't think Labour gives a toss about people who work hard.
  • chloechloe Posts: 308
    Why won't he condem the IRA?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    edited June 2017

    Jezza looks like a broken man after that

    Unilateral Nuclear Disarmament Wanker

    LOL - come on John, he was never going to win.

    Credit your countrymen with more sense
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,879
    It's not one Question Time. It was always Corbyn's stance on security and foreign affairs that made him unelectable.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,967
    Mike asked me to write the Saturday morning thread.

    These last fifteen minutes by Corbyn has fucked that thread right over.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,009

    He just can't condemn the IRA can he?

    Isn't it more that he won't condemn just the IRA?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    Mike asked me to write the Saturday morning thread.

    These last fifteen minutes by Corbyn has fucked that thread right over.

    May has somehow got less crap? :o
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    Audience member asks 'How can we vote for you as PM if you have supported the IRA or Hamas', Corbyn denies ever supporting them but says he talked to them as part of the peace process
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Trident is the biggest waste of public money. £70bn-£100bn depending on who you listen too. The fact that 51% of the population apparently support it is shows blackmail works.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    People aren't gonna base their vote on this IRA issue.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2017
    chloe said:

    AndyJS said:

    Corbyn is a good speaker because he's spent 50 years addressing rallies.


    Doesn't mean he will be a good Prime Minister or Brexit negotiator.
    I wasn't recommending him as PM.
  • TMA1TMA1 Posts: 225
    Floater said:

    nichomar said:

    He's just lost the election by no first use of nuclear weapons, it's not credible that you would only retaliate once we had been attacked.

    He would not use them at all - well, maybe on the Americans......
    Triple the left wingery of this labour manifesto (and the borrowing) and that is what you woukd get under Corbyn.

    Trident is about our place in the world. Is it serious that we give it up (and we would under Corbyn) while France keeps their missiles?
    Corbyn actually WANTS Britain to be diminished in thecworld. He WANTS the West weakened.
    Anyone who thinks otherwise is a total brsinless idiot.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: This is always Corbyn's response to what he would face Britain face nuclear attack. Pretend he'd already stopped it via negotiation.

    You may as well ask him.how he'd deal with a zombie apocalypse or alien invasion, no one is worried about a nation state nuclear attack. Doesn't enter their thinking.

    Below inflation pay rises, housing costs, education and health are what people care about
    In the age of ISIS, Kim Jong Un, Putin etc it cannot be ignored
    A nuclear deterrent against ISIS?
    Blow up Raqqa?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    People aren't gonna base their vote on this IRA issue.

    Nope, it's a dead horse.

    But they might on Trident.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Pulpstar said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    That's it. Sunk.

    Not really, 49% of the UK population either want rid of Trident or want empty subs

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/trident-majority-of-britons-back-keeping-nuclear-weapons-programme-poll-shows-a6831376.html

    Not every Briton is a warmongerer.
    If we've got them, you need to be prepared to use them. If we're not prepared to use them - dump from the manifesto. Corbyn's stance is a nonsense.
    Read the link. 49% want empty subs or none, including me.

    It is obselete, a system designed for a Cold War that ended 25 years ago.
  • TypoTypo Posts: 195
    Becoming a cropper now. Miliband moment?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603

    MaxPB said:

    Oh dear meltdown over Nuclear Weapons.

    The bubble has burst

    Fookin Unilateralist Idiot

    It'll come down to a basic question. What's most important. That you can't pay your bills despite working hard? Or that "if some idiot in Iran has launched missiles at us 'ow will you stop them"
    The safety of the realm figures very highly for people.
    You live in Switzerland outside NATO with no nuclear weapons. Do you lay awake worrying about the threat of being nuked by Iran?
    Not really, but then again Switzerland isn't the world's 5th largest economy or a regular target for Islamist nations.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614
    Are we expecting more than a couple of million to be watching this?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    RoyalBlue said:

    That's it. Sunk.

    Not really, 49% of the UK population either want rid of Trident or want empty subs

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/trident-majority-of-britons-back-keeping-nuclear-weapons-programme-poll-shows-a6831376.html

    Not every Briton is a warmongerer.
    Do you have to be a warmonger to be in a position to defend yourself?

  • llefllef Posts: 298
    HYUFD said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    That's it. Sunk.

    Not really, 49% of the UK population either want rid of Trident or want empty subs

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/trident-majority-of-britons-back-keeping-nuclear-weapons-programme-poll-shows-a6831376.html

    Not every Briton is a warmongerer.
    A majority back nuclear weapons though, whether Trident or not and it also plays into the weak on national security narrative
    foxinsoxuk - so are you saying that 51% of Britons are warmongers then?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,967
    RobD said:

    Mike asked me to write the Saturday morning thread.

    These last fifteen minutes by Corbyn has fucked that thread right over.

    May has somehow got less crap? :o
    No she's crap, Corbyn's decided to screw the pooch.
  • So, he did well on Channel 4 v Paxo, with much lower audience share.

    If you turn on at peak time to BBC1, he's getting roasted on his two weakest areas, Defence and Security.

    Lucky for May, she was up against the 2nd half of Gardeners' World on 2.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,261
    HYUFD said:

    Audience member asks 'How can we vote for you as PM if you have supported the IRA or Hamas', Corbyn denies ever supporting them but says he talked to them as part of the peace process

    I am sure I read articles saying he played no part in the peace process.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Drowning. The right found their voice in the audience
  • chloechloe Posts: 308
    AndyJS said:

    chloe said:

    AndyJS said:

    Corbyn is a good speaker because he's spent 50 years addressing rallies.


    Doesn't mean he will be a good Prime Minister or Brexit negotiator.
    I wasn't recommending him as PM.
    Apologies wasn't suggesting that you were.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,723
    IRA attack well defended.

    Final bloke on Nuclear gave Jezza a chance to give a stronger answer

    Silly Yorkshire Tory
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Danny565 said:

    People aren't gonna base their vote on this IRA issue.

    Nope, it's a dead horse.

    But they might on Trident.
    You may be on to something there.

    My dad is a kipper, voted Labour most of his life until 2015. Doesn't care about this IRA issue, but strongly opposes Corbyn's stance on Trident.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,018
    Right, I missed almost all of it.

    How badly has May fucked it, or are we still alive?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Cyan said:

    A fairer society for all....except Jewish people.

    That is not what he said. He described the Holocaust as the biggest stain on human history.
    There is a difference between words and actions.
    Questions and answers are about words.
    The line that Ken Livingstone is anti-Semitic is made-up, dishonest, disingenuous garbage and hardly anybody gives a crap about it.

    So, just to be clear, you say both that the claim that Livingstone is anti-semitic is unfounded (even though his own party suspended him for it), and that hardly anybody cares anyway. Is that because nobody cares about racism, or because anti-semitism is markedly less serious than other forms of racism, or for some other reason?
    He is clearly a troll - ignore
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    HYUFD said:

    Audience member asks 'How can we vote for you as PM if you have supported the IRA or Hamas', Corbyn denies ever supporting them but says he talked to them as part of the peace process

    He wasn't part of any bloody peace process!

    I'm starting to think our debates need American style fact checkers.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MattChorley: It's all gone a bit wrong hasn't it? Tories won't know which bits to leave out of their next Facebook ad
    #bbcqt
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    Sandpit said:

    Are we expecting more than a couple of million to be watching this?

    Nope.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2017
    chloe said:

    AndyJS said:

    chloe said:

    AndyJS said:

    Corbyn is a good speaker because he's spent 50 years addressing rallies.


    Doesn't mean he will be a good Prime Minister or Brexit negotiator.
    I wasn't recommending him as PM.
    Apologies wasn't suggesting that you were.
    Don't worry, my comment was tongue in cheek. Difficult to convey in writing.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Oh dear meltdown over Nuclear Weapons.

    The bubble has burst

    Fookin Unilateralist Idiot

    It'll come down to a basic question. What's most important. That you can't pay your bills despite working hard? Or that "if some idiot in Iran has launched missiles at us 'ow will you stop them"
    There are very few things that actually have to be done by government. Defending its citizens is one of them.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,398
    HYUFD said:

    Audience member asks 'How can we vote for you as PM if you have supported the IRA or Hamas', Corbyn denies ever supporting them but says he talked to them as part of the peace process

    He didn't say that. He said that he talked to representatives of the Republican movement. Different.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    Right, I missed almost all of it.

    How badly has May fucked it, or are we still alive?

    Life support. :p
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,967

    Mike asked me to write the Saturday morning thread.

    These last fifteen minutes by Corbyn has fucked that thread right over.

    Is he really that bad ?
  • TMA1TMA1 Posts: 225

    Pulpstar said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    That's it. Sunk.

    Not really, 49% of the UK population either want rid of Trident or want empty subs

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/trident-majority-of-britons-back-keeping-nuclear-weapons-programme-poll-shows-a6831376.html

    Not every Briton is a warmongerer.
    If we've got them, you need to be prepared to use them. If we're not prepared to use them - dump from the manifesto. Corbyn's stance is a nonsense.
    Read the link. 49% want empty subs or none, including me.

    It is obselete, a system designed for a Cold War that ended 25 years ago.
    Revealing tripe from you. Knock on kim il wotsits door and tell him that. Or Pakistans president
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    Corbyn says his corporation tax rate would be lower than any of the major western European nations, certainly not Ireland though
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JGForsyth: Corbyn just said that businesses were doing well because of the corporation tax cuts. But that's the point--leads to more tax revenue & jobs
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,967
    edited June 2017

    Right, I missed almost all of it.

    How badly has May fucked it, or are we still alive?

    May 6 out of 10, no fuck ups.

    Corbyn has well and truly fucked up over defence/Trident.

    He's been as bad as we thought he'd be in 2015.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,013
    Thing is that people already know about the IRA and Trident. It's still a "so what" vs their own lives right now
  • woody662woody662 Posts: 255
    Business is doing well, lets tax them more so they don't. Great economic policy.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842
    surbiton said:

    Trident is the biggest waste of public money. £70bn-£100bn depending on who you listen too. The fact that 51% of the population apparently support it is shows blackmail works.

    Well why didn't the Labour mainfesto vow to scrap it then.
    With a nuclear defense system you're a target and whoever is in charge needs to be prepared to use it.
  • PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,274

    Right, I missed almost all of it.

    How badly has May fucked it, or are we still alive?

    Slightly better than average.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,081
    It's like Brexit. A lot of people will vote for Corbyn provided he doesn't win.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    HYUFD said:

    Audience member asks 'How can we vote for you as PM if you have supported the IRA or Hamas', Corbyn denies ever supporting them but says he talked to them as part of the peace process

    But he rewrites history and is getting away with it but when the alternative is no better with no prospect for the future then maybe it's time to change the voting system to allow a wider view of alternatives
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,846

    HYUFD said:

    Audience member asks 'How can we vote for you as PM if you have supported the IRA or Hamas', Corbyn denies ever supporting them but says he talked to them as part of the peace process

    He didn't say that. He said that he talked to representatives of the Republican movement. Different.
    I am not sure the issue matters anywhere near as much as the Tories hope it would but on a basic point of accuracy he is lying through his back teeth.
  • TMA1TMA1 Posts: 225
    HYUFD said:

    Audience member asks 'How can we vote for you as PM if you have supported the IRA or Hamas', Corbyn denies ever supporting them but says he talked to them as part of the peace process

    Did he talk to Ian Paisley? Or even the SDLP?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Scott_P said:

    @JGForsyth: Corbyn just said that businesses were doing well because of the corporation tax cuts. But that's the point--leads to more tax revenue & jobs

    Rightwingers seriously claim that lowering tax rates means you get more tax revenue, yet they accuse the Left of lacking arithmetical skills.
  • chloechloe Posts: 308
    HYUFD said:

    Corbyn says his corporation tax rate would be lower than any of the major western European nations, certainly not Ireland though

    Not great when we are leaving the EU and want to remain competitive. We need companies and jobs to stay.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Unexpected moment: to hear Corbyn talking about frigates.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,013
    woody662 said:

    Business is doing well, lets tax them more so they don't. Great economic policy.

    And all the companies that were here in 2010 when Corporation Tax was 28% will flee when it's 26% in 2020...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,967
    edited June 2017

    Mike asked me to write the Saturday morning thread.

    These last fifteen minutes by Corbyn has fucked that thread right over.

    Is he really that bad ?
    Yup, he just ignored one questioner over trident, and that wasn't the worst part of the whole trident segment.

    I try and be fair, but just look at John's comment at 9.47pm to see how bad he was.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    HYUFD said:

    Audience member asks 'How can we vote for you as PM if you have supported the IRA or Hamas', Corbyn denies ever supporting them but says he talked to them as part of the peace process

    He didn't say that. He said that he talked to representatives of the Republican movement. Different.
    He talked to bombers did he not?

    He observed a minutes silence for the IRA thugs who were killed whilst setting up to attack policemen

    And how is it he only ever spoke to one side?

    The side that his home secretary wanted to win and his chancellor applauded for their actions.

    I note you ignore completely the Hamas issue.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    AndyJS said:

    Unexpected moment: to hear Corbyn talking about frigates.

    The twenty odd fleet admirals will be chuffed. :p
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    JackW Verdict 6.5/10

    Strong start, floundered on nukes, recovered slightly.

    Overall Score Draw On the Night.

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    Scott_P said:

    @JGForsyth: Corbyn just said that businesses were doing well because of the corporation tax cuts. But that's the point--leads to more tax revenue & jobs

    Wait doesn't Labour want to raise CT to 26%?
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    llef said:

    HYUFD said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    That's it. Sunk.

    Not really, 49% of the UK population either want rid of Trident or want empty subs

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/trident-majority-of-britons-back-keeping-nuclear-weapons-programme-poll-shows-a6831376.html

    Not every Briton is a warmongerer.
    A majority back nuclear weapons though, whether Trident or not and it also plays into the weak on national security narrative
    foxinsoxuk - so are you saying that 51% of Britons are warmongers then?
    I think he's saying that 49% of the population are idiots.

    Statistically, he's right.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,164
    Lol! Jezza said it was his choice not to take up his free education!
  • woody662woody662 Posts: 255
    edited June 2017

    woody662 said:

    Business is doing well, lets tax them more so they don't. Great economic policy.

    And all the companies that were here in 2010 when Corporation Tax was 28% will flee when it's 26% in 2020...
    When it's 12% in Ireland then probably yes.
  • chloechloe Posts: 308
    AndyJS said:

    chloe said:

    AndyJS said:

    chloe said:

    AndyJS said:

    Corbyn is a good speaker because he's spent 50 years addressing rallies.


    Doesn't mean he will be a good Prime Minister or Brexit negotiator.
    I wasn't recommending him as PM.
    Apologies wasn't suggesting that you were.
    Don't worry, my comment was tongue in cheek. Difficult to convey in writing.
    True!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,967

    HYUFD said:

    Audience member asks 'How can we vote for you as PM if you have supported the IRA or Hamas', Corbyn denies ever supporting them but says he talked to them as part of the peace process

    He didn't say that. He said that he talked to representatives of the Republican movement. Different.
    I am not sure the issue matters anywhere near as much as the Tories hope it would but on a basic point of accuracy he is lying through his back teeth.
    I've said for ages it is priced in, older voters remember it, but they generally vote Tory.

    Younger voters have seen the likes of Martin McGuinness meet The Queen, so it's not an issue.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Recovered a bit at the end.

    Overall, Jezza was stronger and hit more crowd-pleasing notes than May, but the Trident dip was more severe than anything May endured.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,846
    jonny83 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Audience member asks 'How can we vote for you as PM if you have supported the IRA or Hamas', Corbyn denies ever supporting them but says he talked to them as part of the peace process

    I am sure I read articles saying he played no part in the peace process.
    He actually opposed the Anglo-Irish Agreement which was one of the important stepping stones to the Good Friday Agreement. He opposed peace on any terms except a unified Ireland.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842
    I'm behind but easy softball question at the end.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Danny565 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @JGForsyth: Corbyn just said that businesses were doing well because of the corporation tax cuts. But that's the point--leads to more tax revenue & jobs

    Rightwingers seriously claim that lowering tax rates means you get more tax revenue, yet they accuse the Left of lacking arithmetical skills.
    Go check the figures
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    Both did well I think.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,013
    Point of order boys and girls. What you and I think isn't always what normal punters think.
  • TypoTypo Posts: 195
    RobD said:

    Sandpit said:

    Are we expecting more than a couple of million to be watching this?

    Nope.
    It will probably be the best rated of all the debatesque programmes, but still not more than a few million. BGT on the other side.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Corbyn was flying like a bird until the Trident issue.

    Now it's a score draw between him and May, the latter of which didn't do very well overall.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,081
    GeoffM said:

    llef said:

    HYUFD said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    That's it. Sunk.

    Not really, 49% of the UK population either want rid of Trident or want empty subs

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/trident-majority-of-britons-back-keeping-nuclear-weapons-programme-poll-shows-a6831376.html

    Not every Briton is a warmongerer.
    A majority back nuclear weapons though, whether Trident or not and it also plays into the weak on national security narrative
    foxinsoxuk - so are you saying that 51% of Britons are warmongers then?
    I think he's saying that 49% of the population are idiots.

    Statistically, he's right.
    At least that's a downward trend?
  • TMA1TMA1 Posts: 225

    Oh dear meltdown over Nuclear Weapons.

    The bubble has burst

    Fookin Unilateralist Idiot

    It'll come down to a basic question. What's most important. That you can't pay your bills despite working hard? Or that "if some idiot in Iran has launched missiles at us 'ow will you stop them"
    Nearly half the people I worked with lost their jobs in 2009 while the Labour government did f'ck all to help.

    So forgive me if I don't think Labour gives a toss about people who work hard.
    Socialism takes money from them that has and gives it away to them that are willing to piss it up the wall.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,535
    edited June 2017
    Floater said:

    HYUFD said:

    Audience member asks 'How can we vote for you as PM if you have supported the IRA or Hamas', Corbyn denies ever supporting them but says he talked to them as part of the peace process

    He didn't say that. He said that he talked to representatives of the Republican movement. Different.
    He talked to bombers did he not?

    He observed a minutes silence for the IRA thugs who were killed whilst setting up to attack policemen

    And how is it he only ever spoke to one side?

    The side that his home secretary wanted to win and his chancellor applauded for their actions.

    I note you ignore completely the Hamas issue.
    Corbyn, Abbott, and McDonnell supported the IRA. It's plain to see, and now all three are lying about it.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,723
    Danny565 said:

    An alternative version of Corbyn who supported Trident and was a bit more immigration-sceptic would be romping home with a 100-seat majority.

    Yep

    Sad but true why couldnt he lie just a little bit and say potentially there were circumstances where he would push the fookin button.

    May does it in every answer
  • ConcanvasserConcanvasser Posts: 165

    We seem to have learned two things tonight , Corbyn is the most prime ministerial of the two and the Conservatives do not value nurses .

    The Conservatives value nurses very highly. We made atleast two MPs for Guildford and Mid Beds. How many nurse MPs do the Liberals have Mark?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Good upsum

    @patrickwintour: May unable to explain why she called this election - zero narrative. Corbyn had a theme, but unable to convince how he will keep UK safe.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,967

    HYUFD said:

    Audience member asks 'How can we vote for you as PM if you have supported the IRA or Hamas', Corbyn denies ever supporting them but says he talked to them as part of the peace process

    He didn't say that. He said that he talked to representatives of the Republican movement. Different.
    I am not sure the issue matters anywhere near as much as the Tories hope it would but on a basic point of accuracy he is lying through his back teeth.
    I've said for ages it is priced in, older voters remember it, but they generally vote Tory.

    Younger voters have seen the likes of Martin McGuinness meet The Queen, so it's not an issue.
    Ensuring the oldies vote Conservative is vital.
  • SchardsSchards Posts: 210
    May - 6/10

    Corbyn - 4/10

    Corbyn catastrophic on Nuclear Weapons, if he stood for decommissioning trident that would be defensible but incurring all the cost and not being prepared to use it is the worst of all worlds
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Pulpstar said:

    surbiton said:

    Trident is the biggest waste of public money. £70bn-£100bn depending on who you listen too. The fact that 51% of the population apparently support it is shows blackmail works.

    Well why didn't the Labour mainfesto vow to scrap it then.
    With a nuclear defense system you're a target and whoever is in charge needs to be prepared to use it.
    200 nations do not have nuclear weapons. Have they been annihilated ? You are right. We could be a target because we have nuclear weapons.
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