By cutting police numbers and giving them a 1% increase in 7 years because of this terrorist attack, the Tory majority will increase from 12 to 150.
What a result for the Tories. Cut services get more Tory MPs.
While Labour just want to abolish the security services and the armed police. Go and troll someone else.
Do you really think Labour want to abolish the security services and armed police? You think if there was somehow a Corbyn PM he would try to do this?
Have a photo of John McDonnell posing with a socialist manifesto calling for the disbanding of MI5, special police squads and armed police. In the Guardian. In 2015.
Right but you actually think he believes that? I get that it's an embarrassing photo - but isn't it obvious he doesn't think that?
If I posed for a photo with a single-page political manifesto, and signed a letter by the organisation that published it, do you think it would be unreasonable to infer that I might support what it says?
Yes, I think he believes that.
I doubt he read it. Everything that has been said since and the Labour party manifesto contradicts it. And it's obviously really dumb!
Could be worse, he could have said "Muslim Mayor of London".
Can't disagree with Don though. Sadiq's attitude to terrorism is frankly shit. The idea that we just have to live with it is complete rubbish, he knows that dealing with terrorism will make life for certain hardline Muslims intolerable.
It's part and parcel of living in a big city isn't it?
Could be worse, he could have said "Muslim Mayor of London".
Can't disagree with Don though. Sadiq's attitude to terrorism is frankly shit. The idea that we just have to live with it is complete rubbish, he knows that dealing with terrorism will make life for certain hardline Muslims intolerable.
It's part and parcel of living in a big city isn't it?
I live in Zurich and it most definitely isn't part of life, but then again Switzerland doesn't have a massive issue with radical Islam like the UK and specifically parts of London.
By cutting police numbers and giving them a 1% increase in 7 years because of this terrorist attack, the Tory majority will increase from 12 to 150.
What a result for the Tories. Cut services get more Tory MPs.
While Labour just want to abolish the security services and the armed police. Go and troll someone else.
Do you really think Labour want to abolish the security services and armed police? You think if there was somehow a Corbyn PM he would try to do this?
Have a photo of John McDonnell posing with a socialist manifesto calling for the disbanding of MI5, special police squads and armed police. In the Guardian. In 2015.
Right but you actually think he believes that? I get that it's an embarrassing photo - but isn't it obvious he doesn't think that?
If I posed for a photo with a single-page political manifesto, and signed a letter by the organisation that published it, do you think it would be unreasonable to infer that I might support what it says?
Yes, I think he believes that.
I doubt he read it. Everything that has been said since and the Labour party manifesto contradicts it. And it's obviously really dumb!
It which case he is clearly a fool, never sign anything without reading it first!
At least Theresa May mentioned the i word and said "Enough is enough".
Remember that at the debate in Cambridge, Paul Nuttall was condemned for mentioning Islam by the soppy lefties
And in one succinct statement, she has laid an elephant trap for Corbyn to walk straight into. Hence Thornberry's statement about not making political points today, which translates as 'we're not quite sure how to respond to May's statement yet'.
Newspaper headlines tomorrow - 'Enough is Enough' by May. 'Cup of tea and a biscuit, anyone?' from Corbyn.
In my bed wetting state I fear may will get incoming and some people will go for ukip because what the hell or even jezza because how much worse cam he be...
All the Bloody oldies better make sure their mobility scooters are full charged for Thursday!
She'll get incoming from the Left, which is precisely what the Tories want. Corbyn will equivocate and talk about 'communities coming together' and the usual woolly nonsense he specialises in. The under current of anything Corbyn says will be the politics of appeasement.
The public outside of the Westminster bubble and the Guardian readership will side with May over this - and so will those wavering UKIP supporters.
I don't know....the way this GE is going Abbott will see a surge in her popularity....
By cutting police numbers and giving them a 1% increase in 7 years because of this terrorist attack, the Tory majority will increase from 12 to 150.
What a result for the Tories. Cut services get more Tory MPs.
While Labour just want to abolish the security services and the armed police. Go and troll someone else.
Do you really think Labour want to abolish the security services and armed police? You think if there was somehow a Corbyn PM he would try to do this?
Have a photo of John McDonnell posing with a socialist manifesto calling for the disbanding of MI5, special police squads and armed police. In the Guardian. In 2015.
Right but you actually think he believes that? I get that it's an embarrassing photo - but isn't it obvious he doesn't think that?
If I posed for a photo with a single-page political manifesto, and signed a letter by the organisation that published it, do you think it would be unreasonable to infer that I might support what it says?
Yes, I think he believes that.
I doubt he read it. Everything that has been said since and the Labour party manifesto contradicts it. And it's obviously really dumb!
It which case he is clearly a fool, never sign anything without reading it first!
Yes I agree very foolish. But while I agree with your policy in general tbh we have all signed or assented to things we have never read. Buying music from iTunes, or agreeing to terms and conditions... Nobody reads all of those surely?
A day after the Manchester attack I saw an advert for Manchester secondhand car dealers and debt-pushers saying "CheapCars4U - We're staying open, because if we don't the terrorists win". It was as if the company was treating the bombing as if it were Red Nose Day but even more of an opportunity because they didn't have to make a donation. I should have taken a screenshot.
By cutting police numbers and giving them a 1% increase in 7 years because of this terrorist attack, the Tory majority will increase from 12 to 150.
What a result for the Tories. Cut services get more Tory MPs.
While Labour just want to abolish the security services and the armed police. Go and troll someone else.
Do you really think Labour want to abolish the security services and armed police? You think if there was somehow a Corbyn PM he would try to do this?
Have a photo of John McDonnell posing with a socialist manifesto calling for the disbanding of MI5, special police squads and armed police. In the Guardian. In 2015.
Right but you actually think he believes that? I get that it's an embarrassing photo - but isn't it obvious he doesn't think that?
If I posed for a photo with a single-page political manifesto, and signed a letter by the organisation that published it, do you think it would be unreasonable to infer that I might support what it says?
Yes, I think he believes that.
I doubt he read it. Everything that has been said since and the Labour party manifesto contradicts it. And it's obviously really dumb!
It which case he is clearly a fool, never sign anything without reading it first!
look just because a bloke wrapped in an ISIS flag blows himself up in a bar doesnt mean he's an islamist
how do you know he's not a bad-tempered buddhist for instance ?
By cutting police numbers and giving them a 1% increase in 7 years because of this terrorist attack, the Tory majority will increase from 12 to 150.
What a result for the Tories. Cut services get more Tory MPs.
While Labour just want to abolish the security services and the armed police. Go and troll someone else.
Do you really think Labour want to abolish the security services and armed police? You think if there was somehow a Corbyn PM he would try to do this?
Have a photo of John McDonnell posing with a socialist manifesto calling for the disbanding of MI5, special police squads and armed police. In the Guardian. In 2015.
Right but you actually think he believes that? I get that it's an embarrassing photo - but isn't it obvious he doesn't think that?
If I posed for a photo with a single-page political manifesto, and signed a letter by the organisation that published it, do you think it would be unreasonable to infer that I might support what it says?
Yes, I think he believes that.
I doubt he read it. Everything that has been said since and the Labour party manifesto contradicts it. And it's obviously really dumb!
If it were a large book I could understand that he doesn't agree with every word - but it's a single page with 12 points on it. It's not unreasonable to expect a Member of Parliament to read stuff.
He's held the same view for decades, same as Corbyn and Abbott. That they all try and convince us now that they're different people, is disingenuous in the extreme.
All hail to the Met and their brave officers. Well done. Shoot to kill works. Last night it saved countless lives from being ended or wrecked. Even the thickest hand wringing leftie must now understand that. Even Jeremy might finally get the point. The situation that we are in is desperately serious. I have seen enough hashtags,candles, teddy bears, vigils, poems and drivel about religions of peace. A good starting point would be to understand the nature of the enemy that seeks to destroy us.The Strange Death of Europe by Douglas Murray is the most informed that I have read.
I think before you celebrate your assumed gains any further reflect that despite the puffing of the network media and the tame Tory press all recent polls suggest that the Tories are now on the way down in Scotland. Ruth has built up the expectations. Now we shall see if they deliver.
Also by general recognition and by a long long way the Muslim community of Scotland the most successfully intergrated across the UK. Perhaps there would be lesson to learn for May if she wasn't so busy reciting her Crosby lines like "enough is enough" outside Downing Street.
Oddly enough, when similar numbers of people (or more) are killed in mass shootings in America, Trump's response tends to be no reason to be alarmed, or to restrict firearms access.
Also, what is the Mayor meant to say? "Let's all panic and lock ourselves indoors"?
Forget Ideological craziness. VAT on private school fees will cost the country vast sums of money. How do you expect the state system to cope when all those schools shut down and there is a huge influx of pupils back into the system. 615,000 children are in private education. Where are the state schools to teach them?
Those schools won't shut down. They will cut costs, parents will pay more or downshift to a cheaper private option. Fees have gone up massively - parents still pay them. And schools are spending loads of money on impressive facilities to show off.
I agree with Mrs May that things have got to change.
I'd add:
1) Tackle the Saudi issue. Their finance and malign influence on British schools and mosques is unacceptable. UK arms suppliers will complain but our security is more important.
2) Increase resources for policing and anti-terrorism (and for God's sake don't mention the magic money tree). The issue doesn't seem to be in identifying suspects but in monitoring and managing them. More mass surveillance isn't the answer. More manpower is.
3) More explicitly support the Palestinian cause e.g. by recognising Palestine and risk upsetting Israel. This would have widespread support in the UK but it also helps neutralise the grievances exploited by the radicalisers of weak young men.
If I were Corbyn, I would go with these.
1 is the right thing to do, but the Tories never will. As much of a blind spot for them as some of the Corbyn baggage. 2 is inevitable now anyway, surely? 3 is also right, but impossible to do now without it looking as if we have been bombed into it.
We got away with 3 in Northern Ireland by maintaining an overly hard-line against any concliliation in public whilst working away furiously in private to try and resolve or neutralise the discrimination and grievances, and talking to the terrorists whilst insisting that we weren't. But the Middle East isn't our conflict to manage, and besides Mr Trump wants to sort it out himself.
Agree on point 1 very strongly and said as much two and a half years at the time of the Hebdo killings. We should stop all funding by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran and Pakistan (itself heavily funded/influenced by the Saudis) of schools, mosques, madrassas, university chairs etc in this country. Politicians who appear on their propaganda arms should be called out for such stupidly naive behaviour.
Corbyn won't do this because such steps would upset some of his core voters. The Tories should do this if May's words are to mean something but, sadly, won't. BaE should not be allowed to determine our policies. The Lib Dems stupidly want to abolish Prevent.
The government would do well to listen to Nazir Afzal (see the Times interview with him yesterday).
"Sadly, there's an industry which is trying to undermine Prevent......some of them are Islamists." "It [Prevent] has done phenomenally good work. It's stopped at least 150 people from going to Syria."
Well worth reading all of it. That's who the government should be listening to not what he describes as self- appointed community leaders with the wrong priorities. There are plenty of Muslims who want to change things for the better. But it is the noisy and malicious groups such as Cage who get the attention and airtime.
Also by general recognition and by a long long way the Muslim community of Scotland the most successfully intergrated across the UK. Perhaps there would be lesson to learn for May if she wasn't so busy reciting her Crosby lines like "enough is enough" outside Downing Street.
As Billy Connolly noted, the Scots don't understand the concept of religious violence that doesn't come with a football team attached
By cutting police numbers and giving them a 1% increase in 7 years because of this terrorist attack, the Tory majority will increase from 12 to 150.
What a result for the Tories. Cut services get more Tory MPs.
While Labour just want to abolish the security services and the armed police. Go and troll someone else.
Do you really think Labour want to abolish the security services and armed police? You think if there was somehow a Corbyn PM he would try to do this?
Have a photo of John McDonnell posing with a socialist manifesto calling for the disbanding of MI5, special police squads and armed police. In the Guardian. In 2015.
Right but you actually think he believes that? I get that it's an embarrassing photo - but isn't it obvious he doesn't think that?
If I posed for a photo with a single-page political manifesto, and signed a letter by the organisation that published it, do you think it would be unreasonable to infer that I might support what it says?
Yes, I think he believes that.
I doubt he read it. Everything that has been said since and the Labour party manifesto contradicts it. And it's obviously really dumb!
You do realise his co-travellers such as Abbott, Nellist and Skinner supported an Early Day Motion in 1989 (before he was in parliament) expressly advocating this? Why are you so sure anything has a changed?
At least Theresa May mentioned the i word and said "Enough is enough".
Remember that at the debate in Cambridge, Paul Nuttall was condemned for mentioning Islam by the soppy lefties
And in one succinct statement, she has laid an elephant trap for Corbyn to walk straight into. Hence Thornberry's statement about not making political points today, which translates as 'we're not quite sure how to respond to May's statement yet'.
Newspaper headlines tomorrow - 'Enough is Enough' by May. 'Cup of tea and a biscuit, anyone?' from Corbyn.
In my bed wetting state I fear may will get incoming and some people will go for ukip because what the hell or even jezza because how much worse cam he be...
All the Bloody oldies better make sure their mobility scooters are full charged for Thursday!
She'll get incoming from the Left, which is precisely what the Tories want. Corbyn will equivocate and talk about 'communities coming together' and the usual woolly nonsense he specialises in. The under current of anything Corbyn says will be the politics of appeasement.
The public outside of the Westminster bubble and the Guardian readership will side with May over this - and so will those wavering UKIP supporters.
I don't know....the way this GE is going Abbott will see a surge in her popularity....
Can you see voters flocking to Corbyn over matters of national security? People want action, not woolly platitudes. Yes, the Tories have been in government for 7 years, but the Left are seen as endemically weak on security and defence.
May's words were very carefully crafted and very deliberate in their purpose - to set a trap for Corbyn - and he will walk straight into it.
By cutting police numbers and giving them a 1% increase in 7 years because of this terrorist attack, the Tory majority will increase from 12 to 150.
What a result for the Tories. Cut services get more Tory MPs.
While Labour just want to abolish the security services and the armed police. Go and troll someone else.
Do you really think Labour want to abolish the security services and armed police? You think if there was somehow a Corbyn PM he would try to do this?
Have a photo of John McDonnell posing with a socialist manifesto calling for the disbanding of MI5, special police squads and armed police. In the Guardian. In 2015.
Right but you actually think he believes that? I get that it's an embarrassing photo - but isn't it obvious he doesn't think that?
If I posed for a photo with a single-page political manifesto, and signed a letter by the organisation that published it, do you think it would be unreasonable to infer that I might support what it says?
Yes, I think he believes that.
I doubt he read it. Everything that has been said since and the Labour party manifesto contradicts it. And it's obviously really dumb!
It which case he is clearly a fool, never sign anything without reading it first!
Yes I agree very foolish. But while I agree with your policy in general tbh we have all signed or assented to things we have never read. Buying music from iTunes, or agreeing to terms and conditions... Nobody reads all of those surely?
I was under the impression that the iTunes type things are unenforceable in the UK because it wasnt legal to impose conditions after sale, same with licenses inside the software box. Certainly if you buy expensive bits of software for 10's of thousands of pounds, such as databases, you usually have to sign and return the license before they will sell you the software.
We should stop all funding by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran and Pakistan (itself heavily funded/influenced by the Saudis) of schools, mosques, madrassas, university chairs etc in this country. Politicians who appear on their propaganda arms should be called out for such stupidly naive behaviour.
It's about time a British government stood up to the Saudi dictatorship.
By cutting police numbers and giving them a 1% increase in 7 years because of this terrorist attack, the Tory majority will increase from 12 to 150.
What a result for the Tories. Cut services get more Tory MPs.
While Labour just want to abolish the security services and the armed police. Go and troll someone else.
Do you really think Labour want to abolish the security services and armed police? You think if there was somehow a Corbyn PM he would try to do this?
Have a photo of John McDonnell posing with a socialist manifesto calling for the disbanding of MI5, special police squads and armed police. In the Guardian. In 2015.
Right but you actually think he believes that? I get that it's an embarrassing photo - but isn't it obvious he doesn't think that?
If I posed for a photo with a single-page political manifesto, and signed a letter by the organisation that published it, do you think it would be unreasonable to infer that I might support what it says?
Yes, I think he believes that.
I doubt he read it. Everything that has been said since and the Labour party manifesto contradicts it. And it's obviously really dumb!
It which case he is clearly a fool, never sign anything without reading it first!
Don't engage with this rubbish - people trying to claim that Corbyn & Co's true opinions are the manifesto they're trying to sell and not their consistent position and actions over 30 years are pretty transparent in their intentions.
Sky have just said that Trump's remarks "chime" with May's - says it all really!
Look, very few people here like Trump, even on the right most said they wouldn't have voted for him, but the man is not automatically wrong about everything.
Labour definitely putting in an effort in Morley & Outwood. We've just received another leaflet together with personal letter from the candidate. Interestingly, the candidate does have very strong local connections in Morley and is fighting a local record based campaign. There's no reference to Corbyn or any other senior Labour figure anywhere in the literature which suggests that despite the "surge" the candidate thinks Corbyn and Co are still toxic.
Sky have just said that Trump's remarks "chime" with May's - says it all really!
Look, very few people here like Trump, even on the right most said they wouldn't have voted for him, but the man is not automatically wrong about everything.
Any foreign leader who interferes in British internal affairs and criticises an elected British official can fuck right off, especially when the issue is national defence. Sadiq Khan will I am quite sure be working very closely with central government and there is no reason to think that central government have a problem with that. So fuck off Trump for seeking to cause divisions in this country's defence against terrorism.
Incidentally, Trump is right about climate change (it's not people-caused) but for the wrong reason (he wants to give big business free rein to smash stuff up and loot the world). Nobody is automatically wrong about everything.
Obviously not, the UK has now the poorest growth rate in the G7.
While the Tories have managed to destroy the feeling of safeness and security of the citizens, and more importantly for them, the electorate
Police cut by 20,000, which is why putting so many of the present overstretched forces and them into instant readiness units is so expensive, financially, and reduces the man power available for other important work.
Our military is in a shit state, undermanned and under equipped.
We have 6 type 45 Destroyers in total, all 6 are tied up while an extra diesel engine is put in to help the ship get into the nearest port when the main engine packs up because the sea is too warm to cool the super duper main engines, plus there are only enough full crews for 5 of them. Med, Red Sea, Persian Gulf, Pacific, Caribbean, Equatorial Seas and areas...
RAF having to take planes off line to supply parts to keep others in the air,
Army - cuts down to 50,000.
Trident submarine's computers still running on XP o/s (and yes they do have to connect to the shore when they come into port, and receive orders before they leave).
We have 4 Coast Guard cutters, 1 tied up, 1 in the Med (people smuggling), 1 in the Caribbean (Drug smuggling) and just 1, yes 1 protecting the coast line of the UK from smuggling, people, drugs, weapons, fishing control and checks, rescue etc..
The majority of NHS Trusts in England virtually bankrupt from none in 2010.
Then there is the record of the Home Office under May. a record of total, unmitigated disaster - although you won't read too much about that in the Mail or Telegraph (until May gets kicked out of the Leadership of the Tories, then her reputation will be methodically shredded and trashed - "All hail the new leader")
While on the other hand, banks and financial institutions are busy making money from thin air which disappears into offshore bank accounts - close onto £138 trillion according to some accounts (very right wing ones at that, who think that it is becoming very dangerous for all).
And let's not forget, the national debt, which was around £800 billion in 2010 now stands at double £1.75 trillion. Now according to the charts that I have seen, the National Debt was reduced in 1997 to 2001 and then retained a reasonably level status till 2010 through the 2003 and 2008 financial crises.
The Cameron and May Tory administrations have incredibly, managed, in 7 years, to increase the level by more than all the Labour Party administrations in history.
Yes, the Tories have a great record, wonder why they don't try to make more about it?????
Didn't Corbyn get into a spot of bother in a Laura Keunnsberg interview some months ago, when she asked him about a terrorist attack on London streets and would he advocate "shoot to kill?"
We should stop all funding by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran and Pakistan (itself heavily funded/influenced by the Saudis) of schools, mosques, madrassas, university chairs etc in this country. Politicians who appear on their propaganda arms should be called out for such stupidly naive behaviour.
It's about time a British government stood up to the Saudi dictatorship.
What? And lose all those defence orders? All those exports????
Personally I would remove the UK assets of every wahabist and salafsist supporter and donate them to charities opposing ISIS violence. If that included those members of the House of Saud then so be it.
By cutting police numbers and giving them a 1% increase in 7 years because of this terrorist attack, the Tory majority will increase from 12 to 150.
What a result for the Tories. Cut services get more Tory MPs.
While Labour just want to abolish the security services and the armed police. Go and troll someone else.
Do you really think Labour want to abolish the security services and armed police? You think if there was somehow a Corbyn PM he would try to do this?
Have a photo of John McDonnell posing with a socialist manifesto calling for the disbanding of MI5, special police squads and armed police. In the Guardian. In 2015.
Right but you actually think he believes that? I get that it's an embarrassing photo - but isn't it obvious he doesn't think that?
If I posed for a photo with a single-page political manifesto, and signed a letter by the organisation that published it, do you think it would be unreasonable to infer that I might support what it says?
Yes, I think he believes that.
I doubt he read it. Everything that has been said since and the Labour party manifesto contradicts it. And it's obviously really dumb!
It which case he is clearly a fool, never sign anything without reading it first!
Don't engage with this rubbish - people trying to claim that Corbyn & Co's true opinions are the manifesto they're trying to sell and not their consistent position and actions over 30 years are pretty transparent in their intentions.
Yeah, I met Corbyn last week and he asked if I could leave a package in a railway station for him. It's the Tories' commitment to winning this election by any means necessary that is transparent.
By cutting police numbers and giving them a 1% increase in 7 years because of this terrorist attack, the Tory majority will increase from 12 to 150.
What a result for the Tories. Cut services get more Tory MPs.
While Labour just want to abolish the security services and the armed police. Go and troll someone else.
Do you really think Labour want to abolish the security services and armed police? You think if there was somehow a Corbyn PM he would try to do this?
Have a photo of John McDonnell posing with a socialist manifesto calling for the disbanding of MI5, special police squads and armed police. In the Guardian. In 2015.
Right but you actually think he believes that? I get that it's an embarrassing photo - but isn't it obvious he doesn't think that?
If I posed for a photo with a single-page political manifesto, and signed a letter by the organisation that published it, do you think it would be unreasonable to infer that I might support what it says?
Yes, I think he believes that.
I doubt he read it. Everything that has been said since and the Labour party manifesto contradicts it. And it's obviously really dumb!
You do realise his co-travellers such as Abbott, Nellist and Skinner supported an Early Day Motion in 1989 (before he was in parliament) expressly advocating this? Why are you so sure anything has a changed?
That must have been around the same time that the Conservatives were sharing tea and biscuits with General Pinochet. They might have stopped being apologists for apartheid by then though.
Didn't Corbyn get into a spot of bother in a Laura Keunnsberg interview some months ago, when she asked him about a terrorist attack on London streets and would he advocate "shoot to kill?"
Well he did describe Bin Laden's death as a 'tragedy', so something as piffling as shoot-to-kill wouldn't be a problem for him to denounce.
He can't win this 'war' on being tough on terror and tough on the cause of terror, because it's his worst suit. He knows that, Labour knows that, and we all know that. And I'm sure the Tory press will try to remind as many people as possible of that over the next three days. I don't care what the polls are suggesting, it has to have some effect. None of us live in a vacuum.
Anyway, I wonder what the Sun and the Mail have got stored for Wednesday's front page splashes. Will they go 'Vote May' or 'Don't Vote for Corbyn'?
We should stop all funding by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran and Pakistan (itself heavily funded/influenced by the Saudis) of schools, mosques, madrassas, university chairs etc in this country. Politicians who appear on their propaganda arms should be called out for such stupidly naive behaviour.
It's about time a British government stood up to the Saudi dictatorship.
What? And lose all those defence orders? All those exports????
Personally I would remove the UK assets of every wahabist and salafsist supporter and donate them to charities opposing ISIS violence. If that included those members of the House of Saud then so be it.
Tessy & the PB Tories have the St Augustine approach to the Saudis: Lord, make them virtuous, but not until we've sold a shitload of weaponry to them.
By cutting police numbers and giving them a 1% increase in 7 years because of this terrorist attack, the Tory majority will increase from 12 to 150.
What a result for the Tories. Cut services get more Tory MPs.
While Labour just want to abolish the security services and the armed police. Go and troll someone else.
Do you really think Labour want to abolish the security services and armed police? You think if there was somehow a Corbyn PM he would try to do this?
Have a photo of John McDonnell posing with a socialist manifesto calling for the disbanding of MI5, special police squads and armed police. In the Guardian. In 2015.
Right but you actually think he believes that? I get that it's an embarrassing photo - but isn't it obvious he doesn't think that?
If I posed for a photo with a single-page political manifesto, and signed a letter by the organisation that published it, do you think it would be unreasonable to infer that I might support what it says?
Yes, I think he believes that.
I doubt he read it. Everything that has been said since and the Labour party manifesto contradicts it. And it's obviously really dumb!
You do realise his co-travellers such as Abbott, Nellist and Skinner supported an Early Day Motion in 1989 (before he was in parliament) expressly advocating this? Why are you so sure anything has a changed?
That must have been around the same time that the Conservatives were sharing tea and biscuits with General Pinochet. They might have stopped being apologists for apartheid by then though.
I remember the 1980s well. That's was when the Tories called Nelson Mandela and the ANC "terrorists", some Tory members circulated stickers saying "Hang Nelson Mandela", and Tory MP Teddy Taylor literally called for Nelson Mandela to be shot.
Tory Woodrow Wyatt explained that the aim of the ANC was to establish "a communist-style black dictatorship".
Sky have just said that Trump's remarks "chime" with May's - says it all really!
Look, very few people here like Trump, even on the right most said they wouldn't have voted for him, but the man is not automatically wrong about everything.
I really think the 24-hour broadcast media are stretching the elastic on some of their comments and the narrative they try to create. They are so puffed up with their own importance, and their endless banal chatter with so-called "experts" who no-one has ever heard, just has me reaching for the off button more and more.
May was home secretary for six years before becoming PM, a post she's held for nearly a year. If she's now saying there's been too much tolerance of terrorism and too many failings it's happened on her watch. The problem is that because of Corbyn's baggage and equivocations on security policy, Labour cannot credibly make this point. It's another reason why Labour will lose heavily on Thursday.
Wasn't this one of the reasons for the feud between her and Gove a few years ago? He wanted her to crack down on extremism and she didn't. (I may be remembering incorrectly, of course.)
Didn't Corbyn get into a spot of bother in a Laura Keunnsberg interview some months ago, when she asked him about a terrorist attack on London streets and would he advocate "shoot to kill?"
So did Laura BBC trust said her report was inaccurate.
We should stop all funding by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran and Pakistan (itself heavily funded/influenced by the Saudis) of schools, mosques, madrassas, university chairs etc in this country. Politicians who appear on their propaganda arms should be called out for such stupidly naive behaviour.
It's about time a British government stood up to the Saudi dictatorship.
What? And lose all those defence orders? All those exports????
Personally I would remove the UK assets of every wahabist and salafsist supporter and donate them to charities opposing ISIS violence. If that included those members of the House of Saud then so be it.
Tessy & the PB Tories have the St Augustine approach to the Saudis, Lord, make them virtuous, but not until we've sold a shitload of weaponry to them.
By cutting police numbers and giving them a 1% increase in 7 years because of this terrorist attack, the Tory majority will increase from 12 to 150.
What a result for the Tories. Cut services get more Tory MPs.
While Labour just want to abolish the security services and the armed police. Go and troll someone else.
Do you really think Labour want to abolish the security services and armed police? You think if there was somehow a Corbyn PM he would try to do this?
Have a photo of John McDonnell posing with a socialist manifesto calling for the disbanding of MI5, special police squads and armed police. In the Guardian. In 2015.
Right but you actually think he believes that? I get that it's an embarrassing photo - but isn't it obvious he doesn't think that?
If I posed for a photo with a single-page political manifesto, and signed a letter by the organisation that published it, do you think it would be unreasonable to infer that I might support what it says?
Yes, I think he believes that.
I doubt he read it. Everything that has been said since and the Labour party manifesto contradicts it. And it's obviously really dumb!
You do realise his co-travellers such as Abbott, Nellist and Skinner supported an Early Day Motion in 1989 (before he was in parliament) expressly advocating this? Why are you so sure anything has a changed?
That must have been around the same time that the Conservatives were sharing tea and biscuits with General Pinochet. They might have stopped being apologists for apartheid by then though.
I think the conservatives really need to take the gloves off now and go hard after Corbyn and his record. The thought that next week, this man and his team of terrorist sympathisers could be running this country, is truly terrifying.
May was home secretary for six years before becoming PM, a post she's held for nearly a year. If she's now saying there's been too much tolerance of terrorism and too many failings it's happened on her watch. The problem is that because of Corbyn's baggage and equivocations on security policy, Labour cannot credibly make this point. It's another reason why Labour will lose heavily on Thursday.
Wasn't this one of the reasons for the feud between her and Gove a few years ago? He wanted her to crack down on extremism and she didn't. (I may be remembering incorrectly, of course.)
Yes, Gove wanted early intervention in schools, the Home Office vetoed it iirc.
By cutting police numbers and giving them a 1% increase in 7 years because of this terrorist attack, the Tory majority will increase from 12 to 150.
What a result for the Tories. Cut services get more Tory MPs.
While Labour just want to abolish the security services and the armed police. Go and troll someone else.
Do you really think Labour want to abolish the security services and armed police? You think if there was somehow a Corbyn PM he would try to do this?
Have a photo of John McDonnell posing with a socialist manifesto calling for the disbanding of MI5, special police squads and armed police. In the Guardian. In 2015.
Right but you actually think he believes that? I get that it's an embarrassing photo - but isn't it obvious he doesn't think that?
If I posed for a photo with a single-page political manifesto, and signed a letter by the organisation that published it, do you think it would be unreasonable to infer that I might support what it says?
Yes, I think he believes that.
I doubt he read it. Everything that has been said since and the Labour party manifesto contradicts it. And it's obviously really dumb!
You do realise his co-travellers such as Abbott, Nellist and Skinner supported an Early Day Motion in 1989 (before he was in parliament) expressly advocating this? Why are you so sure anything has a changed?
That must have been around the same time that the Conservatives were sharing tea and biscuits with General Pinochet. They might have stopped being apologists for apartheid by then though.
You do realise his co-travellers such as Abbott, Nellist and Skinner supported an Early Day Motion in 1989 (before he was in parliament) expressly advocating this? Why are you so sure anything has a changed?
I have very little confidence in Diane Abbott - but mi5 back then was unaccountable and was colluding with terrorists (both sides) to kill British citizens in Northern Ireland.
By cutting police numbers and giving them a 1% increase in 7 years because of this terrorist attack, the Tory majority will increase from 12 to 150.
What a result for the Tories. Cut services get more Tory MPs.
While Labour just want to abolish the security services and the armed police. Go and troll someone else.
Do you really think Labour want to abolish the security services and armed police? You think if there was somehow a Corbyn PM he would try to do this?
Have a photo of John McDonnell posing with a socialist manifesto calling for the disbanding of MI5, special police squads and armed police. In the Guardian. In 2015.
Right but you actually think he believes that? I get that it's an embarrassing photo - but isn't it obvious he doesn't think that?
If I posed for a photo with a single-page political manifesto, and signed a letter by the organisation that published it, do you think it would be unreasonable to infer that I might support what it says?
Yes, I think he believes that.
I doubt he read it. Everything that has been said since and the Labour party manifesto contradicts it. And it's obviously really dumb!
You do realise his co-travellers such as Abbott, Nellist and Skinner supported an Early Day Motion in 1989 (before he was in parliament) expressly advocating this? Why are you so sure anything has a changed?
That must have been around the same time that the Conservatives were sharing tea and biscuits with General Pinochet. They might have stopped being apologists for apartheid by then though.
Sorry, were you trying to make a relevant point?
Yes. This is 2017. Things have moved on.
Where is the evidence McDonnell, Abbott and Corbyn have? This was on campaign literature from 2015. Why would that even appear if it was just about the 80s? How would it even be written, by mistake or otherwise, if it was now a non-issue?
By cutting police numbers and giving them a 1% increase in 7 years because of this terrorist attack, the Tory majority will increase from 12 to 150.
What a result for the Tories. Cut services get more Tory MPs.
While Labour just want to abolish the security services and the armed police. Go and troll someone else.
Do you really think Labour want to abolish the security services and armed police? You think if there was somehow a Corbyn PM he would try to do this?
Have a photo of John McDonnell posing with a socialist manifesto calling for the disbanding of MI5, special police squads and armed police. In the Guardian. In 2015.
Right but you actually think he believes that? I get that it's an embarrassing photo - but isn't it obvious he doesn't think that?
If I posed for a photo with a single-page political manifesto, and signed a letter by the organisation that published it, do you think it would be unreasonable to infer that I might support what it says?
Yes, I think he believes that.
I doubt he read it. Everything that has been said since and the Labour party manifesto contradicts it. And it's obviously really dumb!
You do realise his co-travellers such as Abbott, Nellist and Skinner supported an Early Day Motion in 1989 (before he was in parliament) expressly advocating this? Why are you so sure anything has a changed?
That must have been around the same time that the Conservatives were sharing tea and biscuits with General Pinochet. They might have stopped being apologists for apartheid by then though.
I remember the 1980s well. That's was when the Tories called Nelson Mandela and the ANC "terrorists", some Tory members circulated stickers saying "Hang Nelson Mandela", and Tory MP Teddy Taylor literally called for Nelson Mandela to be shot.
Tory Woodrow Wyatt explained that the aim of the ANC was to establish "a communist-style black dictatorship".
Mandela condoned his wife's enthusiasm for torturing poor blacks to death by necklacing. Nasty little careerist.
I think the conservatives really need to take the gloves off now and go hard after Corbyn and his record. The thought that next week, this man and his team of terrorist sympathisers could be running this country, is truly terrifying.
I am surprised the mail haven't been running back to back to back front pages with all the quotes.
I think the conservatives really need to take the gloves off now and go hard after Corbyn and his record. The thought that next week, this man and his team of terrorist sympathisers could be running this country, is truly terrifying.
May copying Blair after 2005 .She did not agree with him then.Why the change ?
By cutting police numbers and giving them a 1% increase in 7 years because of this terrorist attack, the Tory majority will increase from 12 to 150.
What a result for the Tories. Cut services get more Tory MPs.
While Labour just want to abolish the security services and the armed police. Go and troll someone else.
Do you really think Labour want to abolish the security services and armed police? You think if there was somehow a Corbyn PM he would try to do this?
Have a photo of John McDonnell posing with a socialist manifesto calling for the disbanding of MI5, special police squads and armed police. In the Guardian. In 2015.
Right but you actually think he believes that? I get that it's an embarrassing photo - but isn't it obvious he doesn't think that?
If I posed for a photo with a single-page political manifesto, and signed a letter by the organisation that published it, do you think it would be unreasonable to infer that I might support what it says?
Yes, I think he believes that.
I doubt he read it. Everything that has been said since and the Labour party manifesto contradicts it. And it's obviously really dumb!
You do realise his co-travellers such as Abbott, Nellist and Skinner supported an Early Day Motion in 1989 (before he was in parliament) expressly advocating this? Why are you so sure anything has a changed?
That must have been around the same time that the Conservatives were sharing tea and biscuits with General Pinochet. They might have stopped being apologists for apartheid by then though.
Sorry, were you trying to make a relevant point?
Yes. This is 2017. Things have moved on.
Things moved on because the Labour leadership from 1983 faced down Corbyn and Mcdonnell and Co, and marginalised them.
Didn't Corbyn get into a spot of bother in a Laura Keunnsberg interview some months ago, when she asked him about a terrorist attack on London streets and would he advocate "shoot to kill?"
Well he did describe Bin Laden's death as a 'tragedy', so something as piffling as shoot-to-kill wouldn't be a problem for him to denounce.
He can't win this 'war' on being tough on terror and tough on the cause of terror, because it's his worst suit. He knows that, Labour knows that, and we all know that. And I'm sure the Tory press will try to remind as many people as possible of that over the next three days. I don't care what the polls are suggesting, it has to have some effect. None of us live in a vacuum.
Anyway, I wonder what the Sun and the Mail have got stored for Wednesday's front page splashes. Will they go 'Vote May' or 'Don't Vote for Corbyn'?
The front page of the Sun is likely to be a classic on both Tuesday and Wednesday. The Sun will certainly go negative. Not sure about the Daily Mail.
What odds will someone quote for the Sun's front page mentioning the queen on one of those days, as they did before the EU referendum?
"NO JEZZA AT MY GARDEN PARTY"
"LET HIM KISS HIS OWN HANDS"
"QUEEN SAYS THINK HARD BEFORE DECIDING ABOUT 'JIHAD JEREMY'" (That would be to make it sound "neutral", as they did when the monarch backed NO in the Scottish referendum, couched in terms of "please think hard". Then if anyone calls "bullshit" the Tories can keep straight faces and say "Labour are trying to involve the queen in politics".)
We should stop all funding by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran and Pakistan (itself heavily funded/influenced by the Saudis) of schools, mosques, madrassas, university chairs etc in this country. Politicians who appear on their propaganda arms should be called out for such stupidly naive behaviour.
It's about time a British government stood up to the Saudi dictatorship.
What? And lose all those defence orders? All those exports????
Personally I would remove the UK assets of every wahabist and salafsist supporter and donate them to charities opposing ISIS violence. If that included those members of the House of Saud then so be it.
Tessy & the PB Tories have the St Augustine approach to the Saudis: Lord, make them virtuous, but not until we've sold a shitload of weaponry to them.
And all those engines Rolls Royce sell for the A380s and 777s and such. RR have £0.5bn worth with Saudi and £6.5bn worth with Emirates. That is nearly one year's EU nett contribution so maybe after Brexit we can afford to give them all the two fingered salute???
By cutting police numbers and giving them a 1% increase in 7 years because of this terrorist attack, the Tory majority will increase from 12 to 150.
What a result for the Tories. Cut services get more Tory MPs.
While Labour just want to abolish the security services and the armed police. Go and troll someone else.
Do you really think Labour want to abolish the security services and armed police? You think if there was somehow a Corbyn PM he would try to do this?
Have a photo of John McDonnell posing with a socialist manifesto calling for the disbanding of MI5, special police squads and armed police. In the Guardian. In 2015.
Right but you actually think he believes that? I get that it's an embarrassing photo - but isn't it obvious he doesn't think that?
If I posed for a photo with a single-page political manifesto, and signed a letter by the organisation that published it, do you think it would be unreasonable to infer that I might support what it says?
Yes, I think he believes that.
I doubt he read it. Everything that has been said since and the Labour party manifesto contradicts it. And it's obviously really dumb!
You do realise his co-travellers such as Abbott, Nellist and Skinner supported an Early Day Motion in 1989 (before he was in parliament) expressly advocating this? Why are you so sure anything has a changed?
That must have been around the same time that the Conservatives were sharing tea and biscuits with General Pinochet. They might have stopped being apologists for apartheid by then though.
Sorry, were you trying to make a relevant point?
Yes. This is 2017. Things have moved on.
Where is the evidence McDonnell, Abbott and Corbyn have? This was on campaign literature from 2015.
Any evidence that the Tories aren't still best mates with Fascist dictatorships?
Specifically on the prison issue, I'd hope Anjem Choudary and anyone else like him is being kept in 24 hr solitary confinement. Radicalisation is a huge issue in prisons, and the likes of him and his fellow travellers should not mix with the population in for say burglary.
We should stop all funding by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran and Pakistan (itself heavily funded/influenced by the Saudis) of schools, mosques, madrassas, university chairs etc in this country. Politicians who appear on their propaganda arms should be called out for such stupidly naive behaviour.
It's about time a British government stood up to the Saudi dictatorship.
What? And lose all those defence orders? All those exports????
Personally I would remove the UK assets of every wahabist and salafsist supporter and donate them to charities opposing ISIS violence. If that included those members of the House of Saud then so be it.
Tessy & the PB Tories have the St Augustine approach to the Saudis: Lord, make them virtuous, but not until we've sold a shitload of weaponry to them.
And all those engines Rolls Royce sell for the A380s and 777s and such. RR have £0.5bn worth with Saudi and £6.5bn worth with Emirates. That is nearly one year's EU nett contribution so maybe after Brexit we can afford to give them all the two fingered salute???
Can you tell us who the last PM was who did not visit Saudi Arabia while in office? I don't know the answer but it was a long, long way back. It really doesn't work as an anti-Leave or anti-Tory point.
May was home secretary for six years before becoming PM, a post she's held for nearly a year. If she's now saying there's been too much tolerance of terrorism and too many failings it's happened on her watch. The problem is that because of Corbyn's baggage and equivocations on security policy, Labour cannot credibly make this point. It's another reason why Labour will lose heavily on Thursday.
Wasn't this one of the reasons for the feud between her and Gove a few years ago? He wanted her to crack down on extremism and she didn't. (I may be remembering incorrectly, of course.)
Yes. It's largely forgotten now, but Theresa was a figure of loathing and contempt amongst elements of the Right, for her supposed pandering to Islamic sensibilities and ambivalence towards free speech. She was up there with Dave in the hatred stakes. So when she became leader I was surprised at the good will she initially received from that quarter. I suspect her stance on Brexit bought her some time.
By cutting police numbers and giving them a 1% increase in 7 years because of this terrorist attack, the Tory majority will increase from 12 to 150.
What a result for the Tories. Cut services get more Tory MPs.
While Labour just want to abolish the security services and the armed police. Go and troll someone else.
Do you really think Labour want to abolish the security services and armed police? You think if there was somehow a Corbyn PM he would try to do this?
Have a photo of John McDonnell posing with a socialist manifesto calling for the disbanding of MI5, special police squads and armed police. In the Guardian. In 2015.
Right but you actually think he believes that? I get that it's an embarrassing photo - but isn't it obvious he doesn't think that?
If I posed for a photo with a single-page political manifesto, and signed a letter by the organisation that published it, do you think it would be unreasonable to infer that I might support what it says?
Yes, I think he believes that.
I doubt he read it. Everything that has been said since and the Labour party manifesto contradicts it. And it's obviously really dumb!
You do realise his co-travellers such as Abbott, Nellist and Skinner supported an Early Day Motion in 1989 (before he was in parliament) expressly advocating this? Why are you so sure anything has a changed?
That must have been around the same time that the Conservatives were sharing tea and biscuits with General Pinochet. They might have stopped being apologists for apartheid by then though.
Sorry, were you trying to make a relevant point?
Yes. This is 2017. Things have moved on.
Where is the evidence McDonnell, Abbott and Corbyn have? This was on campaign literature from 2015.
Any evidence that the Tories aren't still best mates with Fascist dictatorships?
The Cameron and May Tory administrations have incredibly, managed, in 7 years, to increase the level by more than all the Labour Party administrations in history.
Yes, the Tories have a great record, wonder why they don't try to make more about it?????
Bollocks.
Brown didnt just leave the UK with a debt, it left it with a deficit, the first being what we owe, and the second the rate at which the first number is getting bigger. When Brown left office the first number was getting bigger at the rate of 160 thousand million pounds EVERY year.
If Camborne had done nothing we would now be 7 * 160bn = 1.12tn FURTHER in debt, actually quite a lot more than that because of the debt interest acrued. In 2010 the UK public debt was £1.52tn, today it is around £1.96tn, rather less of an increase than it would be if the Tories had just kept going like Brown.
Could Camborne have cut the deficit faster, you bet your arse they could, by spending less, do you think the left might have complained if they had reduced public spending by 160 thousand million PER YEAR to balance the books ? You have to admit its a faint possibility.
I think the conservatives really need to take the gloves off now and go hard after Corbyn and his record. The thought that next week, this man and his team of terrorist sympathisers could be running this country, is truly terrifying.
Could not agree more. These final three days could sway hundreds of thousands of voters in marginal seats all over the UK. The Tories need to tell those waverers the terrible reality of what a Corbyn government would look like - and the 'friends' he would legitimise at the stroke of a pen.
A relentless, unmitigating and uncompromising defenestration of Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott. All of the Tories must now sing from the same hymn sheet, no equivocation on this subject.
Who cares how this appears in the Westminster bubble. UKIP waverers will love it, and so will a good deal of the WWC.
I think the conservatives really need to take the gloves off now and go hard after Corbyn and his record. The thought that next week, this man and his team of terrorist sympathisers could be running this country, is truly terrifying.
Could not agree more. These final three days could sway hundreds of thousands of voters in marginal seats all over the UK. The Tories need to tell those waverers the terrible reality of what a Corbyn government would look like - and the 'friends' he would legitimise at the stroke of a pen.
A relentless, unmitigating and uncompromising defenestration of Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott. All of the Tories must now sing from the same hymn sheet, no equivocation on this subject.
Who cares how this appears in the Westminster bubble. UKIP waverers will love it, and so will a good deal of the WWC.
Time for the Tories to stand up and be counted.
We have been waiting for this for weeks...and nothing....I just can't see it coming. There has been no sustained attack on some of the dodgiest people ever with a chance to gain high office.
Cameron go a right going over because he smoked a few joints and was member of a posho drinking club and Miliband got the full on shit show for weeks.
Forget Ideological craziness. VAT on private school fees will cost the country vast sums of money. How do you expect the state system to cope when all those schools shut down and there is a huge influx of pupils back into the system. 615,000 children are in private education. Where are the state schools to teach them?
Those schools won't shut down. They will cut costs, parents will pay more or downshift to a cheaper private option. Fees have gone up massively - parents still pay them. And schools are spending loads of money on impressive facilities to show off.
Richard is right and you are wrong. That article's figures are entirely wrong and appear to be actually forged. Just to take one instant example, the AVERAGE private day school fee is £14,000, where the article you link to implies it is a minimum of £15,500. It also fails to mention that teachers salaries have doubled since 1998 alone, which accounts for much of the cost pressure on both sectors.
The state sector will have to take up a huge amount of dropouts from the private sector, with no extra money, if this goes ahead. At this moment, the state sector is already grossly over-extended and underfunded. This would lead to collapse. And who would escape it? Only those who could still afford private school fees - the likes of say Diane Abbott.
It is the policy of greed and envy and damn the consequences drawn up by a man who in effect failed all his exams at a boarding school and a woman who has repeatedly demonstrated she would have failed them had she not taken steps to avoid sitting them.
Oddly enough, when similar numbers of people (or more) are killed in mass shootings in America, Trump's response tends to be no reason to be alarmed, or to restrict firearms access.
Also, what is the Mayor meant to say? "Let's all panic and lock ourselves indoors"?
Mentally unstable narcissist in the White House with control of the nuclear codes... "no reason to be alarmed".
By cutting police numbers and giving them a 1% increase in 7 years because of this terrorist attack, the Tory majority will increase from 12 to 150.
What a result for the Tories. Cut services get more Tory MPs.
While Labour just want to abolish the security services and the armed police. Go and troll someone else.
Do you really think Labour want to abolish the security services and armed police? You think if there was somehow a Corbyn PM he would try to do this?
Have a photo of John McDonnell posing with a socialist manifesto calling for the disbanding of MI5, special police squads and armed police. In the Guardian. In 2015.
Right but you actually think he believes that? I get that it's an embarrassing photo - but isn't it obvious he doesn't think that?
If I posed for a photo with a single-page political manifesto, and signed a letter by the organisation that published it, do you think it would be unreasonable to infer that I might support what it says?
Yes, I think he believes that.
I doubt he read it. Everything that has been said since and the Labour party manifesto contradicts it. And it's obviously really dumb!
You do realise his co-travellers such as Abbott, Nellist and Skinner supported an Early Day Motion in 1989 (before he was in parliament) expressly advocating this? Why are you so sure anything has a changed?
That must have been around the same time that the Conservatives were sharing tea and biscuits with General Pinochet. They might have stopped being apologists for apartheid by then though.
We are not talking about "Conservative" or "Labour" are talking about specific people who are looking to obtain high office and have a catalog of questionable views in support of terrorists and others. If you can point to specific support by the current holders of the great offices of state of Pinochet or apartheid I am sure we would be interested to hear them, otherwise this is just whataboutery.
By cutting police numbers and giving them a 1% increase in 7 years because of this terrorist attack, the Tory majority will increase from 12 to 150.
What a result for the Tories. Cut services get more Tory MPs.
While Labour just want to abolish the security services and the armed police. Go and troll someone else.
Do you really think Labour want to abolish the security services and armed police? You think if there was somehow a Corbyn PM he would try to do this?
Have a photo of Johell posing with a socialist manifesto calling for the disbanding of MI5, special police squads and armed police. In the Guardian. In 2015.
Right but you actually think he believes that? I get that it's an embarrassing photo - but isn't it obvious he doesn't think that?
If I posed for a photo with a single-page political manifesto, and signed a letter by the organisation that published it, do you think it would be unreasonable to infer that I might support what it says?
Yes, I think he believes that.
I doubt he read it. Everything that has been said since and the Labour party manifesto contradicts it. And it's obviously really dumb!
You do realise his co-travellers such as Abbott, Nellist and Skinner supported an Early Day Motion in 1989 (before he was in parliament) expressly advocating this? Why are you so sure anything has a changed?
That must have been around the same time that the Conservatives were sharing tea and biscuits with General Pinochet. They might have stopped being apologists for apartheid by then though.
Sorry, were you trying to make a relevant point?
Yes. This is 2017. Things have moved on.
Where is the evidence McDonnell, Abbott and Corbyn have? This was on campaign literature from 2015.
Any evidence that the Tories aren't still best mates with Fascist dictatorships?
I'm not a Tory. Answer the damn question.
Read the Guardian article where McDonnell makes his position clear.
Anyone who believes that the county would be less secure in the unlikely event that Labour forms a government on Friday needs to think again.
Remember when having one dinner with a bloke on a yacht got you a week of wall to wall negative press with the media bubble opinion that meant you were totally unsuitable for high office....
I think the conservatives really need to take the gloves off now and go hard after Corbyn and his record. The thought that next week, this man and his team of terrorist sympathisers could be running this country, is truly terrifying.
Very very delicate.
"Corbyn is too weak, and the Labour party too divided, and their chances in Parliament too dependent on other parties like the SNP, for Britain to have the decisive leadership it needs at a critical juncture" - think you can get away with that.
"Corbyn and his allies are terrorist sympathisers" - no matter how much evidence is presented, even in their own words, may come across as too crass, emotive and exploitative in the immediate aftermath of an attack.
I think the conservatives really need to take the gloves off now and go hard after Corbyn and his record. The thought that next week, this man and his team of terrorist sympathisers could be running this country, is truly terrifying.
Could not agree more. These final three days could sway hundreds of thousands of voters in marginal seats all over the UK. The Tories need to tell those waverers the terrible reality of what a Corbyn government would look like - and the 'friends' he would legitimise at the stroke of a pen.
A relentless, unmitigating and uncompromising defenestration of Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott. All of the Tories must now sing from the same hymn sheet, no equivocation on this subject.
Who cares how this appears in the Westminster bubble. UKIP waverers will love it, and so will a good deal of the WWC.
Time for the Tories to stand up and be counted.
Blair asked Conservatives like May and Davis to stand up and be counted over control orders and 90 day detention.However they stood together in opposition with Corbyn and Abott
I think the conservatives really need to take the gloves off now and go hard after Corbyn and his record. The thought that next week, this man and his team of terrorist sympathisers could be running this country, is truly terrifying.
Could not agree more. These final three days could sway hundreds of thousands of voters in marginal seats all over the UK. The Tories need to tell those waverers the terrible reality of what a Corbyn government would look like - and the 'friends' he would legitimise at the stroke of a pen.
A relentless, unmitigating and uncompromising defenestration of Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott. All of the Tories must now sing from the same hymn sheet, no equivocation on this subject.
Who cares how this appears in the Westminster bubble. UKIP waverers will love it, and so will a good deal of the WWC.
Time for the Tories to stand up and be counted.
We have been waiting for this for weeks...and nothing....I just can't see it coming. There has been no sustained attack on some of the dodgiest people ever with a chance to gain high office.
Cameron go a right going over because he smoked a few joints and was member of a posho drinking club and Miliband got the full on shit show for weeks.
May's speech this morning was markedly different in tone and content to the one after Manchester. It was very deliberate in its purpose. To sound tough, and to lure Labour into a trap.
It's already working, I would suggest. The whole tone has changed, especially from the Tories, and Labour are left looking weak and equivocal.
Three days of 'Enough is Enough' is gold dust for the Tories, let's not pretend otherwise.
I think the conservatives really need to take the gloves off now and go hard after Corbyn and his record. The thought that next week, this man and his team of terrorist sympathisers could be running this country, is truly terrifying.
Very very delicate.
"Corbyn is too weak, and the Labour party too divided, and their chances in Parliament too dependent on other parties like the SNP, for Britain to have the decisive leadership it needs at a critical juncture" - think you can get away with that.
"Corbyn and his allies are terrorist sympathisers" - no matter how much evidence is presented, even in their own words, may come across as too crass, emotive and exploitative in the immediate aftermath of an attack.
It might seem like that and the Guardian might get upset, but when people get to the privacy of the ballot box the latter statement will stick in their minds much more than the former statement. It's why Boris and May are talking about no longer tolerating extremism and hitting out at those who harbour terrorists and sympathise with them or their aims. It is the right stance and clearly Lynton has had a hand in it, I don't think May's SDP advisers are smart enough to think of it or have the cojones to try and make it happen.
Old news (November) but I just saw this trending at Number 5 on the BBC News website.
Now, moments later, it doesn't seem to be listed in top 10 anymore.
Some manipulation going on here?
Lefty BBC protecting Labour? Who'd have thunk it.
People regularly try to game the "most read". That's why the story about the guy marrying a goat, for example, kept popping up again and again - some of the internet pranksters enjoy that kind of thing. Also happens e.g. when there is a social media "re-death" of a celebrity (an old obituary goes viral for a celeb who people hadn't realised had died the first time). The BBC decided in the end to put a datestamp on older stories to control for this sort of thing.
When the stories are politically sensitive, and there is the potential for them to be "deliberately trended" for political advantage, I wonder whether there is a specific procedure.
(It's possible that my eyes are deceiving me, but I don't think so - I was reading one of the stories about the London attacks and managed to click right through to the Corbyn shoot to kill story. I was surprised to see it trending. I'm sure it can't have been one of the other sidebar links. But now I can't see any trace of it!)
Why have the Tories forgotten the Cameron/Osborne stuff that worked? Because the easy retort to this is that "yes we had to take some very difficult decisions to bring the public finances back under control, including having fewer police than any of us would like; but this was only necessary because of Labour's mismanagement of the economy and we are now turning a corner, don't let them back in and make us go through it all over again".
I think the conservatives really need to take the gloves off now and go hard after Corbyn and his record. The thought that next week, this man and his team of terrorist sympathisers could be running this country, is truly terrifying.
Could not agree more. These final three days could sway hundreds of thousands of voters in marginal seats all over the UK. The Tories need to tell those waverers the terrible reality of what a Corbyn government would look like - and the 'friends' he would legitimise at the stroke of a pen.
A relentless, unmitigating and uncompromising defenestration of Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott. All of the Tories must now sing from the same hymn sheet, no equivocation on this subject.
Who cares how this appears in the Westminster bubble. UKIP waverers will love it, and so will a good deal of the WWC.
Time for the Tories to stand up and be counted.
We have been waiting for this for weeks...and nothing....I just can't see it coming. There has been no sustained attack on some of the dodgiest people ever with a chance to gain high office.
Cameron go a right going over because he smoked a few joints and was member of a posho drinking club and Miliband got the full on shit show for weeks.
May's speech this morning was markedly different in tone and content to the one after Manchester. It was very deliberate in its purpose. To sound tough, and to lure Labour into a trap.
It's already working, I would suggest. The whole tone has changed, especially from the Tories, and Labour are left looking weak and equivocal.
Three days of 'Enough is Enough' is gold dust for the Tories, let's not pretend otherwise.
I will only stop bedwetting when I hear DimbleBore in a depressed voice say the BBC Exit Poll predicts a Tory Majority of 100.
I think the conservatives really need to take the gloves off now and go hard after Corbyn and his record. The thought that next week, this man and his team of terrorist sympathisers could be running this country, is truly terrifying.
Could not agree more. These final three days could sway hundreds of thousands of voters in marginal seats all over the UK. The Tories need to tell those waverers the terrible reality of what a Corbyn government would look like - and the 'friends' he would legitimise at the stroke of a pen.
A relentless, unmitigating and uncompromising defenestration of Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott. All of the Tories must now sing from the same hymn sheet, no equivocation on this subject.
Who cares how this appears in the Westminster bubble. UKIP waverers will love it, and so will a good deal of the WWC.
Time for the Tories to stand up and be counted.
Blair asked Conservatives like May and Davis to stand up and be counted over control orders and 90 day detention.However they stood together in opposition with Corbyn and Abott
This would be the 90 day detention that MI5 didnt ask for when Blair said they had ?
"Anyone who believes that the county would be less secure in the unlikely event that Labour forms a government on Friday needs to think again."
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"In the unlikely event that Labour forms a government on Friday"... our Home Secretary would be Diane Abbott.
That is, really, all we need to know. Just that. Just that one fact.
Vote Conservative.
Abbott would be shuffled off into a corner. If we were to win I would fully expect the likes of Cooper, Benn et al to be taking on the big jobs.
Lol, deluded much. What evidence is there that mainstream Labour would even get a look in, they have had no role at all in this fairly successful Labour campaign.
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Everything that has been said since and the Labour party manifesto contradicts it.
And it's obviously really dumb!
try reading the NI press
But while I agree with your policy in general tbh we have all signed or assented to things we have never read. Buying music from iTunes, or agreeing to terms and conditions... Nobody reads all of those surely?
how do you know he's not a bad-tempered buddhist for instance ?
He's held the same view for decades, same as Corbyn and Abbott. That they all try and convince us now that they're different people, is disingenuous in the extreme.
I think before you celebrate your assumed gains any further reflect that despite the puffing of the network media and the tame Tory press all recent polls suggest that the Tories are now on the way down in Scotland. Ruth has built up the expectations. Now we shall see if they deliver.
Also by general recognition and by a long long way the Muslim community of Scotland the most successfully intergrated across the UK. Perhaps there would be lesson to learn for May if she wasn't so busy reciting her Crosby lines like "enough is enough" outside Downing Street.
Also, what is the Mayor meant to say? "Let's all panic and lock ourselves indoors"?
loyalist paramilitaries are just as bad
http://www.thedetail.tv/articles/above-the-law-paramilitary-punishment-attacks-in-northern-ireland
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-charts-that-shows-how-private-school-fees-have-exploded-a7023056.html
Corbyn won't do this because such steps would upset some of his core voters. The Tories should do this if May's words are to mean something but, sadly, won't. BaE should not be allowed to determine our policies. The Lib Dems stupidly want to abolish Prevent.
The government would do well to listen to Nazir Afzal (see the Times interview with him yesterday).
"Sadly, there's an industry which is trying to undermine Prevent......some of them are Islamists." "It [Prevent] has done phenomenally good work. It's stopped at least 150 people from going to Syria."
Well worth reading all of it. That's who the government should be listening to not what he describes as self- appointed community leaders with the wrong priorities. There are plenty of Muslims who want to change things for the better. But it is the noisy and malicious groups such as Cage who get the attention and airtime.
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/871331234093379584
May's words were very carefully crafted and very deliberate in their purpose - to set a trap for Corbyn - and he will walk straight into it.
Why do you include Iran on your list?
Incidentally, Trump is right about climate change (it's not people-caused) but for the wrong reason (he wants to give big business free rein to smash stuff up and loot the world). Nobody is automatically wrong about everything.
Personally I would remove the UK assets of every wahabist and salafsist supporter and donate them to charities opposing ISIS violence. If that included those members of the House of Saud then so be it.
He can't win this 'war' on being tough on terror and tough on the cause of terror, because it's his worst suit. He knows that, Labour knows that, and we all know that. And I'm sure the Tory press will try to remind as many people as possible of that over the next three days. I don't care what the polls are suggesting, it has to have some effect. None of us live in a vacuum.
Anyway, I wonder what the Sun and the Mail have got stored for Wednesday's front page splashes. Will they go 'Vote May' or 'Don't Vote for Corbyn'?
Tory Woodrow Wyatt explained that the aim of the ANC was to establish "a communist-style black dictatorship".
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32887445
They're now in charge.
What odds will someone quote for the Sun's front page mentioning the queen on one of those days, as they did before the EU referendum?
"NO JEZZA AT MY GARDEN PARTY"
"LET HIM KISS HIS OWN HANDS"
"QUEEN SAYS THINK HARD BEFORE DECIDING ABOUT 'JIHAD JEREMY'"
(That would be to make it sound "neutral", as they did when the monarch backed NO in the Scottish referendum, couched in terms of "please think hard". Then if anyone calls "bullshit" the Tories can keep straight faces and say "Labour are trying to involve the queen in politics".)
Brown didnt just leave the UK with a debt, it left it with a deficit, the first being what we owe, and the second the rate at which the first number is getting bigger. When Brown left office the first number was getting bigger at the rate of 160 thousand million pounds EVERY year.
If Camborne had done nothing we would now be 7 * 160bn = 1.12tn FURTHER in debt, actually quite a lot more than that because of the debt interest acrued. In 2010 the UK public debt was £1.52tn, today it is around £1.96tn, rather less of an increase than it would be if the Tories had just kept going like Brown.
Could Camborne have cut the deficit faster, you bet your arse they could, by spending less, do you think the left might have complained if they had reduced public spending by 160 thousand million PER YEAR to balance the books ? You have to admit its a faint possibility.
A relentless, unmitigating and uncompromising defenestration of Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott. All of the Tories must now sing from the same hymn sheet, no equivocation on this subject.
Who cares how this appears in the Westminster bubble. UKIP waverers will love it, and so will a good deal of the WWC.
Time for the Tories to stand up and be counted.
Cameron go a right going over because he smoked a few joints and was member of a posho drinking club and Miliband got the full on shit show for weeks.
Old news (November) but I just saw this trending at Number 5 on the BBC News website.
Now, moments later, it doesn't seem to be listed in top 10 anymore.
Some manipulation going on here?
The state sector will have to take up a huge amount of dropouts from the private sector, with no extra money, if this goes ahead. At this moment, the state sector is already grossly over-extended and underfunded. This would lead to collapse. And who would escape it? Only those who could still afford private school fees - the likes of say Diane Abbott.
It is the policy of greed and envy and damn the consequences drawn up by a man who in effect failed all his exams at a boarding school and a woman who has repeatedly demonstrated she would have failed them had she not taken steps to avoid sitting them.
"no reason to be alarmed".
Anyone who believes that the county would be less secure in the unlikely event that Labour forms a government on Friday needs to think again.
"Corbyn is too weak, and the Labour party too divided, and their chances in Parliament too dependent on other parties like the SNP, for Britain to have the decisive leadership it needs at a critical juncture" - think you can get away with that.
"Corbyn and his allies are terrorist sympathisers" - no matter how much evidence is presented, even in their own words, may come across as too crass, emotive and exploitative in the immediate aftermath of an attack.
Unlike Jezza, he will bend and lie through his teeth.
It's already working, I would suggest. The whole tone has changed, especially from the Tories, and Labour are left looking weak and equivocal.
Three days of 'Enough is Enough' is gold dust for the Tories, let's not pretend otherwise.
When the stories are politically sensitive, and there is the potential for them to be "deliberately trended" for political advantage, I wonder whether there is a specific procedure.
(It's possible that my eyes are deceiving me, but I don't think so - I was reading one of the stories about the London attacks and managed to click right through to the Corbyn shoot to kill story. I was surprised to see it trending. I'm sure it can't have been one of the other sidebar links. But now I can't see any trace of it!)
Anyway, I need to go and fit a curtain poll...