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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,653
    Just as well America hasn't got a protectionist President perusing pretexts......
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    freetochoosefreetochoose Posts: 1,107

    It seems Project Fear missed an opportunity.

    VOTE LEAVE AND GAYS WILL BE IMPRISONED

    I thought it was Vote Leave to prevent tens of millions of savage Turks descending on our green and pleasant land.

    Now that's an interesting discussion - why won't the EU allow Turkey to join?
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,931

    DavidL said:

    I think the word "natural" is ambiguous in this context. If you interpret it as "as nature intended " then you may take the view that the purpose of sex is the passing on of genes and that gay sex does not accord with that. If it is interpreted as "something I am perfectly ok with" that may give a different answer.

    Personally I would answer affirmatively to both since sex is clearly intended to be recreational as well as procreative.

    I dont really care about gays having sex per se

    but I just wish remainers would stop doing it on my front lawn every evening

    At least we are out and proud. People like James Dyson and Tim Martin preach the harsh Brexit gospel, but not for people like them. Of course.

    http://www.fwi.co.uk/news/brexiteer-dyson-warns-government-not-cut-farm-subsidies.htm

    http://www.devonlive.com/tim/story-29207761-detail/story.html

    Cameron and Cooper preach the gospel of remain, not for them stagnant wages and people living 15 to a room

    At what point post-Brexit will wages start to steam ahead, do you reckon? Which sectors will see the biggest rises?

    So your remainy creed already accepts low wages and the no hope economy ?

    What ever happened to the high skill high wage economy Blair proclaimed ?

    Great not answering the question skills there. I understand why you can't, though.

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,280
    GeoffM said:

    Extreme candidates for the House of Representatives do worse than moderates because they mobilize the opposing party to turn out to vote, according to new research from Andrew Hall and Daniel Thompson of Stanford University.

    Political scientists and campaign experts have been divided for decades about whether candidates are successful when they win over swing voters — those who aren’t loyal to any party — or when they encourage members of their own party to show up at the polls. The research suggests that when it comes to ideologically extreme candidates, the deciding factor might be the other party’s turnout.


    washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/07/29/extreme-candidates-lose-because-they-boost-the-other-partys-turnout-research-finds/

    That seems to really miss the point though. As with Corbyn if the extreme candidate appeals to the subset who select the candidate/leader then they are the ones who will be standing rather than the moderates. When you have lots of safe seats, either in the US or here, lots of those extreme candidates will then be elected whatever the moderates think about them.

    The gerrymandering of Congress has undoubtedly increased extremism on both sides of the aisle and made co-operation positively dangerous to a Congressman's political future.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,931

    Just as well America hasn't got a protectionist President perusing pretexts......

    Hmmm...

    http://www.politico.eu/article/german-carmakers-remind-trump-they-create-110000-us-jobs/

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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754

    DavidL said:

    I think the word "natural" is ambiguous in this context. If you interpret it as "as nature intended " then you may take the view that the purpose of sex is the passing on of genes and that gay sex does not accord with that. If it is interpreted as "something I am perfectly ok with" that may give a different answer.

    Personally I would answer affirmatively to both since sex is clearly intended to be recreational as well as procreative.

    I dont really care about gays having sex per se

    but I just wish remainers would stop doing it on my front lawn every evening

    At least we are out and proud. People like James Dyson and Tim Martin preach the harsh Brexit gospel, but not for people like them. Of course.

    http://www.fwi.co.uk/news/brexiteer-dyson-warns-government-not-cut-farm-subsidies.htm

    http://www.devonlive.com/tim/story-29207761-detail/story.html

    Cameron and Cooper preach the gospel of remain, not for them stagnant wages and people living 15 to a room

    At what point post-Brexit will wages start to steam ahead, do you reckon? Which sectors will see the biggest rises?

    So your remainy creed already accepts low wages and the no hope economy ?

    What ever happened to the high skill high wage economy Blair proclaimed ?

    Great not answering the question skills there. I understand why you can't, though.

    you ask a troll question you get a troll answer

    what did you expect ?

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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    DavidL said:

    I think the word "natural" is ambiguous in this context. If you interpret it as "as nature intended " then you may take the view that the purpose of sex is the passing on of genes and that gay sex does not accord with that. If it is interpreted as "something I am perfectly ok with" that may give a different answer.

    Personally I would answer affirmatively to both since sex is clearly intended to be recreational as well as procreative.

    I dont really care about gays having sex per se

    but I just wish remainers would stop doing it on my front lawn every evening

    At least we are out and proud. People like James Dyson and Tim Martin preach the harsh Brexit gospel, but not for people like them. Of course.

    http://www.fwi.co.uk/news/brexiteer-dyson-warns-government-not-cut-farm-subsidies.htm

    http://www.devonlive.com/tim/story-29207761-detail/story.html

    Cameron and Cooper preach the gospel of remain, not for them stagnant wages and people living 15 to a room

    At what point post-Brexit will wages start to steam ahead, do you reckon? Which sectors will see the biggest rises?

    The military sector - as Cameron's World War Three begins.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,931
    DavidL said:

    GeoffM said:

    Extreme candidates for the House of Representatives do worse than moderates because they mobilize the opposing party to turn out to vote, according to new research from Andrew Hall and Daniel Thompson of Stanford University.

    Political scientists and campaign experts have been divided for decades about whether candidates are successful when they win over swing voters — those who aren’t loyal to any party — or when they encourage members of their own party to show up at the polls. The research suggests that when it comes to ideologically extreme candidates, the deciding factor might be the other party’s turnout.


    washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/07/29/extreme-candidates-lose-because-they-boost-the-other-partys-turnout-research-finds/

    That seems to really miss the point though. As with Corbyn if the extreme candidate appeals to the subset who select the candidate/leader then they are the ones who will be standing rather than the moderates. When you have lots of safe seats, either in the US or here, lots of those extreme candidates will then be elected whatever the moderates think about them.

    The gerrymandering of Congress has undoubtedly increased extremism on both sides of the aisle and made co-operation positively dangerous to a Congressman's political future.

    Extremists often also depend on the other option being abysmal. See our election result, for example. Corbyn and the Labour left generally are confusing anti-Tory votes - created by May's general awfulness and her hardline, no surrender Brexit rhetoric - with pro-Socialist ones. This should give the Tories some hope for next time around. If they can move away from extremism themselves, of course.

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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: Hungary post-mortem analysis up here:
    http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2017/07/hungary-post-race-analysis-2017.html

    Having slept on it, I've decided it was stupid of me not to split a stake between Sainz and Vandoorne to win that group. But there we are. It's easier picking winners after events than before.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,280
    edited July 2017

    DavidL said:

    GeoffM said:

    Extreme candidates for the House of Representatives do worse than moderates because they mobilize the opposing party to turn out to vote, according to new research from Andrew Hall and Daniel Thompson of Stanford University.

    Political scientists and campaign experts have been divided for decades about whether candidates are successful when they win over swing voters — those who aren’t loyal to any party — or when they encourage members of their own party to show up at the polls. The research suggests that when it comes to ideologically extreme candidates, the deciding factor might be the other party’s turnout.


    washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/07/29/extreme-candidates-lose-because-they-boost-the-other-partys-turnout-research-finds/

    That seems to really miss the point though. As with Corbyn if the extreme candidate appeals to the subset who select the candidate/leader then they are the ones who will be standing rather than the moderates. When you have lots of safe seats, either in the US or here, lots of those extreme candidates will then be elected whatever the moderates think about them.

    The gerrymandering of Congress has undoubtedly increased extremism on both sides of the aisle and made co-operation positively dangerous to a Congressman's political future.

    Extremists often also depend on the other option being abysmal. See our election result, for example. Corbyn and the Labour left generally are confusing anti-Tory votes - created by May's general awfulness and her hardline, no surrender Brexit rhetoric - with pro-Socialist ones. This should give the Tories some hope for next time around. If they can move away from extremism themselves, of course.

    The general view now seems to be that May is not as hardline on Brexit as Corbyn is and more open to compromise but I agree that in a system like ours where gerrymandering is avoided or at least minimised appealing to the centre works. Where it is built in there is a strong tendency towards extremism because that appeals to the most motivated supporters of that particular brand who select the candidate. This is the mess the US has got itself in and a major reason why its politics are so dysfunctional.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,426

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