What else do you call it when you do petitions and fire off emails at your representatives?
Pointless. Ineffective.
It's a shame the old Chartist demand for the ability to immediately recall representatives wasn't taken up. Seems to me like we have a situation where 1) the union is doing a pretty good job of representing the will of its members, the whole point of its existence; 2) the council is doing a crap job of representing the will of its electorate, the whole point of its existence.
Maybe if there were better mechanisms of accountability the council would be 'getting round the table' etc. rather than trying to bully its workforce and allowing these strikes to continue...
You're blaming the council for the union choosing to strike?
Yes
Do you have any experience of strikes?
Yes, the fucking RMT and ASLEF making my life miserable at least twice a year for the past twenty years even though I have no way of affecting their disputes (translation: "we want more money") and I can't even take my business elsewhere.
I find this attitude bizarre. You expect railworkers to be sympathetic to your discomfort twice a year, when you're not sympathetic to their concerns about the thing they spend 40 hours a week doing. If railworkers never went on strike they'd still be getting paid 1911 rates.
What else do you call it when you do petitions and fire off emails at your representatives?
Pointless. Ineffective.
It's a shame the old Chartist demand for the ability to immediately recall representatives wasn't taken up. Seems to me like we have a situation where 1) the union is doing a pretty good job of representing the will of its members, the whole point of its existence; 2) the council is doing a crap job of representing the will of its electorate, the whole point of its existence.
Maybe if there were better mechanisms of accountability the council would be 'getting round the table' etc. rather than trying to bully its workforce and allowing these strikes to continue...
You're blaming the council for the union choosing to strike?
Yes
Do you have any experience of strikes? Nobody will vote for a strike for no reason. In this instance, the council has presented refuse workers with a 'list of demands' to make the service cheaper, including some that the workers find unacceptable.
Unite is arguing that the council is trying to pass the consequences of its own mismanagement of the service onto its lowest paid employees, who it represents, and have refused to engage in meaningful talks about changes to the service. The refuse workers haven't gone on strike to gain anything, but only to 'not lose as much'.
People vote for strikes if: (a) they have a public sector employee who is backed by the taxpayer; (b) they have a monopoly service to which there is no viable alternative (such as railway workers) ultimately funded by the taxpayer or (c) they are feeling absolutely suicidal and are willing to risk their employment (BA Cabin staff come to mind).
Local Authority budgets have been severely cut. Whilst it is pretty indisputable that they would be better starting with the senior management and the "redundancy packages" offered to senior staff approaching retirement than the poorly paid workers actually providing the service the fact is that they have to operate within a budget and leaving tonnes of rubbish on the streets of Birmingham is not going to change that.
What else do you call it when you do petitions and fire off emails at your representatives?
Pointless. Ineffective.
It's a shame the old Chartist demand for the ability to immediately recall representatives wasn't taken up. Seems to me like we have a situation where 1) the union is doing a pretty good job of representing the will of its members, the whole point of its existence; 2) the council is doing a crap job of representing the will of its electorate, the whole point of its existence.
Maybe if there were better mechanisms of accountability the council would be 'getting round the table' etc. rather than trying to bully its workforce and allowing these strikes to continue...
You're blaming the council for the union choosing to strike?
Yes
Do you have any experience of strikes?
Yes, the fucking RMT and ASLEF making my life miserable at least twice a year for the past twenty years even though I have no way of affecting their disputes (translation: "we want more money") and I can't even take my business elsewhere.
I find this attitude bizarre. You expect railworkers to be sympathetic to your discomfort twice a year, when you're not sympathetic to their concerns about the thing they spend 40 hours a week doing.
£50k+ per year for a 36 hour week with 43 days' holiday? You're damn right I have no sympathy.
FPT rottenborough mentioned that Chapman wanted to charge VAT on private school fees. This is illegal under EU rules as it bans the charging of VAT on education provision. Can't have it both ways....
He can because it is not illegal under EU rules. The education exemption only applies to "bodies governed by public law having such as their aim or by other organisations recognised by the Member State concerned as having similar objects". Private schools are not governed by public law as they do not get most of their funding from the state. So all the government has to do is decide not to recognise private schools as having similar objects and they can charge VAT.
Just to add, independent schools already pay VAT on supplies.
All businesses pay VAT on their taxable purchases...
Mr. 43, bracketing all Leave voters together makes things easier but also less true to life.
Except for leaving the customs union, I've said repeatedly I'm open to arguments on the best way to leave the EU. Not claiming to be representative of anyone other than myself, but the idea all Leave voters have the same view is as silly as claiming all Remain voters love the EU or want to adopt the euro.
In general I agree but if only 7% of Leavers (IIRC June Yougov poll) think Britain will be worse off economically (and incidentally a similar number of Remainers who DON'T think it will be worse off), that necessarily affects how you approach the negotiations. Why compromise if you don't think it will make a difference? I made the comment about Leavers but the same applies in reverse to Remainers.
What else do you call it when you do petitions and fire off emails at your representatives?
Pointless. Ineffective.
It's a shame the old Chartist demand for the ability to immediately recall representatives wasn't taken up. Seems to me like we have a situation where 1) the union is doing a pretty good job of representing the will of its members, the whole point of its existence; 2) the council is doing a crap job of representing the will of its electorate, the whole point of its existence.
Maybe if there were better mechanisms of accountability the council would be 'getting round the table' etc. rather than trying to bully its workforce and allowing these strikes to continue...
You're blaming the council for the union choosing to strike?
Yes
Do you have any experience of strikes?
Yes, the fucking RMT and ASLEF making my life miserable at least twice a year for the past twenty years even though I have no way of affecting their disputes (translation: "we want more money") and I can't even take my business elsewhere.
I find this attitude bizarre. You expect railworkers to be sympathetic to your discomfort twice a year, when you're not sympathetic to their concerns about the thing they spend 40 hours a week doing. If railworkers never went on strike they'd still be getting paid 1911 rates.
FPT rottenborough mentioned that Chapman wanted to charge VAT on private school fees. This is illegal under EU rules as it bans the charging of VAT on education provision. Can't have it both ways....
He can because it is not illegal under EU rules. The education exemption only applies to "bodies governed by public law having such as their aim or by other organisations recognised by the Member State concerned as having similar objects". Private schools are not governed by public law as they do not get most of their funding from the state. So all the government has to do is decide not to recognise private schools as having similar objects and they can charge VAT.
Just to add, independent schools already pay VAT on supplies.
All businesses pay VAT on their taxable purchases...
Didn't know that. Much obliged. Makes the argument that they should be denied chartable status even more bizarre when the benefits are so modest anyway. Surprised more schools have not just said fine and no, you will not have access to our facilities at all nor will we be sending any staff that we pay to other schools to help out.
People vote for strikes if: (a) they have a public sector employee who is backed by the taxpayer; (b) they have a monopoly service to which there is no viable alternative (such as railway workers) ultimately funded by the taxpayer or (c) they are feeling absolutely suicidal and are willing to risk their employment (BA Cabin staff come to mind).
Local Authority budgets have been severely cut. Whilst it is pretty indisputable that they would be better starting with the senior management and the "redundancy packages" offered to senior staff approaching retirement than the poorly paid workers actually providing the service the fact is that they have to operate within a budget and leaving tonnes of rubbish on the streets of Birmingham is not going to change that.
'Unite has said that the overspend for the 2016/17 financial year, previously thought to be £9.7 million, had been confirmed by a top council boss as rising to £11.9 million contradicting the authority’s previous press statements that these cuts were due to budget cuts and austerity measures'.
Unite aren't disputing the need to work within a budget. They're disputing what they see as the mismanagement of that budget. They're disputing the ability of the council to pass on its failures to its lowest paid workers, rather than actually correcting its failures in dialogue with the people who run and know the service.
Mr. 43, a fair point, though some polling, such as the 29% of Remain voters Mr. Pong cited who apparently want all EU citizens to leave, is not necessarily persuasive.
Maybe the real lesson of recent political events is that the British electorate loves lying to pollsters.
What else do you call it when you do petitions and fire off emails at your representatives?
Pointless. Ineffective.
It's a shame the old Chartist demand for the ability to immediately recall representatives wasn't taken up. Seems to me like we have a situation where 1) the union is doing a pretty good job of representing the will of its members, the whole point of its existence; 2) the council is doing a crap job of representing the will of its electorate, the whole point of its existence.
Maybe if there were better mechanisms of accountability the council would be 'getting round the table' etc. rather than trying to bully its workforce and allowing these strikes to continue...
You're blaming the council for the union choosing to strike?
Yes
Do you have any experience of strikes?
Yes, the fucking RMT and ASLEF making my life miserable at least twice a year for the past twenty years even though I have no way of affecting their disputes (translation: "we want more money") and I can't even take my business elsewhere.
I find this attitude bizarre. You expect railworkers to be sympathetic to your discomfort twice a year, when you're not sympathetic to their concerns about the thing they spend 40 hours a week doing. If railworkers never went on strike they'd still be getting paid 1911 rates.
You must know that's tosh.
What's tosh? Any history of the good old NUR will tell you of the importance of strikes in maintaining living standards and in forcing development of the service.
The list of people thrashing around with completely impractical ways of trying to pretend that we are not leaving the EU gets longer by the day.
What's more, we'll have left by the next GE (almost certainly). A 'pro-EU' party will be as irrelevant as an 'anti-Indian-independence' party would have been in 1950.
Hardly - the day we leave rejoining goes straight on the agenda.
The list of people thrashing around with completely impractical ways of trying to pretend that we are not leaving the EU gets longer by the day.
What's more, we'll have left by the next GE (almost certainly). A 'pro-EU' party will be as irrelevant as an 'anti-Indian-independence' party would have been in 1950.
Hardly - the day we leave rejoining goes straight on the agenda.
The list of people thrashing around with completely impractical ways of trying to pretend that we are not leaving the EU gets longer by the day.
What's more, we'll have left by the next GE (almost certainly). A 'pro-EU' party will be as irrelevant as an 'anti-Indian-independence' party would have been in 1950.
Hardly - the day we leave rejoining goes straight on the agenda.
Not on the agenda of the electorate, though, nor any major political party.
Edit: And, most importantly, certainly not on the agenda of the EU.
The list of people thrashing around with completely impractical ways of trying to pretend that we are not leaving the EU gets longer by the day.
What's more, we'll have left by the next GE (almost certainly). A 'pro-EU' party will be as irrelevant as an 'anti-Indian-independence' party would have been in 1950.
Hardly - the day we leave rejoining goes straight on the agenda.
Hardly. The moment we leave the agenda becomes moving on. Refighting these battles will be the last thing on all but the most extremists minds.
FPT rottenborough mentioned that Chapman wanted to charge VAT on private school fees. This is illegal under EU rules as it bans the charging of VAT on education provision. Can't have it both ways....
He can because it is not illegal under EU rules. The education exemption only applies to "bodies governed by public law having such as their aim or by other organisations recognised by the Member State concerned as having similar objects". Private schools are not governed by public law as they do not get most of their funding from the state. So all the government has to do is decide not to recognise private schools as having similar objects and they can charge VAT.
Just to add, independent schools already pay VAT on supplies.
All businesses pay VAT on their taxable purchases...
A comment that misses the point completely.
If the government agreed that private schools have similar objects to public bodies providing education to children and young people they would be forced to make supplies to private schools exempt, regardless of whether or not the private school is a business, because that is what the VAT directive says. The fact that private schools have to pay VAT on supplies shows that the government do not regard them has having similar objects and therefore the government can charge VAT on school fees.
Incidentally, a pal is a Bursar who used to work in independent schools. He is an accountant by training.
His first reaction on hearing the crackers 'VAT on private schools' Labour plan was that he wondered if the proponents realised that if VAT is charged on fees then Indy schools would be entitled to reclaim VAT on purchases, like all other businesses. I'm guessing not.
What else do you call it when you do petitions and fire off emails at your representatives?
Pointless. Ineffective.
It's a shame the old Chartist demand for the ability to immediately recall representatives wasn't taken up. Seems to me like we have a situation where 1) the union is doing a pretty good job of representing the will of its members, the whole point of its existence; 2) the council is doing a crap job of representing the will of its electorate, the whole point of its existence.
Maybe if there were better mechanisms of accountability the council would be 'getting round the table' etc. rather than trying to bully its workforce and allowing these strikes to continue...
You're blaming the council for the union choosing to strike?
Yes
Do you have any experience of strikes?
Yes, the fucking RMT and ASLEF making my life miserable at least twice a year for the past twenty years even though I have no way of affecting their disputes (translation: "we want more money") and I can't even take my business elsewhere.
I find this attitude bizarre. You expect railworkers to be sympathetic to your discomfort twice a year, when you're not sympathetic to their concerns about the thing they spend 40 hours a week doing. If railworkers never went on strike they'd still be getting paid 1911 rates.
If they don't like their job they can quit and get another. If the employer was struggling to fill vacancies they would need to raise wages in order to attract new employees or keep hold of their experienced ones..
The list of people thrashing around with completely impractical ways of trying to pretend that we are not leaving the EU gets longer by the day.
What's more, we'll have left by the next GE (almost certainly). A 'pro-EU' party will be as irrelevant as an 'anti-Indian-independence' party would have been in 1950.
Hardly - the day we leave rejoining goes straight on the agenda.
Hardly. The moment we leave the agenda becomes moving on. Refighting these battles will be the last thing on all but the most extremists minds.
Look at the map. We can't ignore the EU whether we are moderate or extreme.
FPT rottenborough mentioned that Chapman wanted to charge VAT on private school fees. This is illegal under EU rules as it bans the charging of VAT on education provision. Can't have it both ways....
He can because it is not illegal under EU rules. The education exemption only applies to "bodies governed by public law having such as their aim or by other organisations recognised by the Member State concerned as having similar objects". Private schools are not governed by public law as they do not get most of their funding from the state. So all the government has to do is decide not to recognise private schools as having similar objects and they can charge VAT.
Just to add, independent schools already pay VAT on supplies.
All businesses pay VAT on their taxable purchases...
As charities I think they can recoup that.
Sadly not - so indirectly independent schools are already paying significant amounts of VAT; as end user, rather than supplier...
Incidentally, a pal is a Bursar who used to work in independent schools. He is an accountant by training.
His first reaction on hearing the crackers 'VAT on private schools' Labour plan was that he wondered if the proponents realised that if VAT is charged on fees then Indy schools would be entitled to reclaim VAT on purchases, like all other businesses. I'm guessing not.
I would imagine that a very large proportion of the the running costs of a school would be salaries and other non-VATable expenses, so I doubt whether they would be able to offset very much of their output VAT.
What else do you call it when you do petitions and fire off emails at your representatives?
Pointless. Ineffective.
It's a shame the old Chartist demand for the ability to immediately recall representatives wasn't taken up. Seems to me like we have a situation where 1) the union is doing a pretty good job of representing the will of its members, the whole point of its existence; 2) the council is doing a crap job of representing the will of its electorate, the whole point of its existence.
Maybe if there were better mechanisms of accountability the council would be 'getting round the table' etc. rather than trying to bully its workforce and allowing these strikes to continue...
You're blaming the council for the union choosing to strike?
Yes
Do you have any experience of strikes?
Yes, the fucking RMT and ASLEF making my life miserable at least twice a year for the past twenty years even though I have no way of affecting their disputes (translation: "we want more money") and I can't even take my business elsewhere.
I find this attitude bizarre. You expect railworkers to be sympathetic to your discomfort twice a year, when you're not sympathetic to their concerns about the thing they spend 40 hours a week doing. If railworkers never went on strike they'd still be getting paid 1911 rates.
If they don't like their job they can quit and get another. If the employer was struggling to fill vacancies they would need to raise wages in order to attract new employees or keep hold of their experienced ones..
Or even more clever, how about they quit, organise amongst themselves and amongst the unemployed of their industry to ensure the employer struggles to fill vacancies, and only agree to return for better conditions. In other words, basically the way that strike action as we know it developed in the first place...
~42% of leavers want all EU citizens to leave the country?
Perhaps even more astonishing is the ~29% of remainers who also want all EU citizens to leave.
RIP liberal Britain.
So 58% of Leavers want all EU citizens already in the UK to remain and 71% of Remainers do too
Those numbers can't be right as they add up to way more than 100%. I think "want" here is misleading, I think it would be better described as "would accept an outcome where".
and amongst the unemployed of their industry to ensure the employer struggles to fill vacancies
Wait, what
How on earth does this work ? Are new employees lives made a misery or some such. I do occasionally wonder how the mahoosively paid train driver (For instance) jobs aren't bursting at the seems with applicants..
Why would anyone unemployed 'cooperate' to not get themselves a job ?
and amongst the unemployed of their industry to ensure the employer struggles to fill vacancies
Wait, what
How on earth does this work ? Are new employees lives made a misery or some such. I do occasionally wonder how the mahoosively paid train driver (For instance) jobs aren't bursting at the seems with applicants..
LU only recruits internally. You have to serve your time as a station assistant first.
~42% of leavers want all EU citizens to leave the country?
Perhaps even more astonishing is the ~29% of remainers who also want all EU citizens to leave.
RIP liberal Britain.
So 58% of Leavers want all EU citizens already in the UK to remain and 71% of Remainers do too
Those numbers can't be right as they add up to way more than 100%. I think "want" here is misleading, I think it would be better described as "would accept an outcome where".
and amongst the unemployed of their industry to ensure the employer struggles to fill vacancies
Wait, what
How on earth does this work ? Are new employees lives made a misery or some such. I do occasionally wonder how the mahoosively paid train driver (For instance) jobs aren't bursting at the seems with applicants..
Why would anyone unemployed 'cooperate' to not get themselves a job ?
I was making a historical point re: 'just quit and get another job' and how the consequences of that idea ultimately are the modern strike. Read the Webbs History of Trade Unionism, Hobsbawm's essay on 'the Tramping Artisan', and other histories of early craft unions. Journeymen in various crafts organised so as not to undercut each other in this way, a development towards the trade unionism we have now.
I suppose what Trump is really doing is piling pressure on China to make Kim back down, or get rid of him. He is actually quite well-positioned in every possible outcome of this situation (provided he has a good bunker for the 'nuclear armageddon' scenario.
Merkel needs the AfD as well as the FDP to get a right of centre coalition over 50% so a CDU SPD coalition is likely to continue
You need to eliminate the parties that don't make the cut before working out where the threshold for a majority is.
On that poll the AfD and the FDP will make the cut
And CDU/CSU + FDP would have 50% together.
Merkel has been meticulous in keeping her options open with the Greens too. For once, Jamaica is a realistic possibility.
48% I think and the AfD winning seats makes a Jamaica coalition unlikely, the CSU would not work with the Greens over the AfD and the Greens would be reluctant to back the CDU CSU
~42% of leavers want all EU citizens to leave the country?
Perhaps even more astonishing is the ~29% of remainers who also want all EU citizens to leave.
RIP liberal Britain.
I'm not sure it's RIP - I think it's more that these views have not previously been heard, whereas metropolitan liberal "citizens of nowhere" views have, their holders moreover mistaking their own opinions for a settled and overwhelming consensus.
I have no idea how this 36% who want them all sent back think taxis, builders, hospitals and the hospitality trade will continue to function if it ever happened. I wonder if there's some cognitive dissonance here, whereby they think both that there are too many immigrants, but also think there aren't very many immigrants, so it won't matter if they're all expelled?
FPT rottenborough mentioned that Chapman wanted to charge VAT on private school fees. This is illegal under EU rules as it bans the charging of VAT on education provision. Can't have it both ways....
He can because it is not illegal under EU rules. The education exemption only applies to "bodies governed by public law having such as their aim or by other organisations recognised by the Member State concerned as having similar objects". Private schools are not governed by public law as they do not get most of their funding from the state. So all the government has to do is decide not to recognise private schools as having similar objects and they can charge VAT.
Just to add, independent schools already pay VAT on supplies.
All businesses pay VAT on their taxable purchases...
Didn't know that. Much obliged. Makes the argument that they should be denied chartable status even more bizarre when the benefits are so modest anyway. Surprised more schools have not just said fine and no, you will not have access to our facilities at all nor will we be sending any staff that we pay to other schools to help out.
They should allow access to facilities, but charge the going rate for it.
Yes, quite. Not arguing that the demands of the little people should be ignored. Arguing that Brexit is a catastrophe and the democratically elected representatives who have formed the same view should come together to seek to avert it.
Yes, quite. Not arguing that the demands of the little people should be ignored. Arguing that Brexit is a catastrophe and the democratically elected representatives who have formed the same view should come together to seek to avert it.
That is exactly saying that the demands of the little people should be ignored as the little people have demanded that we Leave the EU.
Yes, quite. Not arguing that the demands of the little people should be ignored. Arguing that Brexit is a catastrophe and the democratically elected representatives who have formed the same view should come together to seek to avert it.
That is exactly saying that the demands of the little people should be ignored as the little people have demanded that we Leave the EU.
No it's not exactly the same. The public decided to vote to sail down a river. If you see Niagara ahead, it is not ignoring the demands of the little people for the crew to take matters into their own hands.
I should point out that personally I don't agree with James Chapman. But this idea that democracy stopped on 23 June 2016 is ridiculous.
Yes, quite. Not arguing that the demands of the little people should be ignored. Arguing that Brexit is a catastrophe and the democratically elected representatives who have formed the same view should come together to seek to avert it.
That is exactly saying that the demands of the little people should be ignored as the little people have demanded that we Leave the EU.
Just as well Nigel Farage was made of sterner stuff. Otherwise people like you would have put him off.
What else do you call it when you do petitions and fire off emails at your representatives?
Pointless. Ineffective.
It's a shame the old Chartist demand for the ability to immediately recall representatives wasn't taken up. Seems to me like we have a situation where 1) the union is doing a pretty good job of representing the will of its members, the whole point of its existence; 2) the council is doing a crap job of representing the will of its electorate, the whole point of its existence.
Maybe if there were better mechanisms of accountability the council would be 'getting round the table' etc. rather than trying to bully its workforce and allowing these strikes to continue...
You're blaming the council for the union choosing to strike?
Yes
Do you have any experience of strikes?
Yes, the fucking RMT and ASLEF making my life miserable at least twice a year for the past twenty years even though I have no way of affecting their disputes (translation: "we want more money") and I can't even take my business elsewhere.
I find this attitude bizarre. You expect railworkers to be sympathetic to your discomfort twice a year, when you're not sympathetic to their concerns about the thing they spend 40 hours a week doing. If railworkers never went on strike they'd still be getting paid 1911 rates.
If they don't like their job they can quit and get another. If the employer was struggling to fill vacancies they would need to raise wages in order to attract new employees or keep hold of their experienced ones..
Or even more clever, how about they quit, organise amongst themselves and amongst the unemployed of their industry to ensure the employer struggles to fill vacancies, and only agree to return for better conditions. In other words, basically the way that strike action as we know it developed in the first place...
Strike action isn't quitting, it is saying you still work there but are refusing to do so and preventing the employer from filling the vacancies because they'd have twice as many staff when the strike ended than they need. If they quit then they might find there is a queue of people willing and waiting to fill those vacancies.
Yes, quite. Not arguing that the demands of the little people should be ignored. Arguing that Brexit is a catastrophe and the democratically elected representatives who have formed the same view should come together to seek to avert it.
And yet a party with this policy was rejected at a general election a couple of months ago.
Pray tell what other policies Mr Chapman is proposing for his new party.
Merkel needs the AfD as well as the FDP to get a right of centre coalition over 50% so a CDU SPD coalition is likely to continue
You need to eliminate the parties that don't make the cut before working out where the threshold for a majority is.
On that poll the AfD and the FDP will make the cut
And CDU/CSU + FDP would have 50% together.
Merkel has been meticulous in keeping her options open with the Greens too. For once, Jamaica is a realistic possibility.
48% I think and the AfD winning seats makes a Jamaica coalition unlikely, the CSU would not work with the Greens over the AfD and the Greens would be reluctant to back the CDU CSU
Nobody is going to work with the AfD. But on that poll the Others: 4% won't make the cut meaning that 48% becomes 50%. CDU/CSU & FDP would have a slender majority most likely on that poll.
Yes, quite. Not arguing that the demands of the little people should be ignored. Arguing that Brexit is a catastrophe and the democratically elected representatives who have formed the same view should come together to seek to avert it.
And yet a party with this policy was rejected at a general election a couple of months ago.
Pray tell what other policies Mr Chapman is proposing for his new party.
Take a look at his twitter account. He proposed a lot.
Strike action isn't quitting, it is saying you still work there but are refusing to do so and preventing the employer from filling the vacancies because they'd have twice as many staff when the strike ended than they need. If they quit then they might find there is a queue of people willing and waiting to fill those vacancies.
You do realise an employer can basically sack strikers for breach of contract, do you? What he can't do is selectively sack and re-engage, but he can tell all strikers to feck off and not come back. So your scenario of having exactly 2x too many workers won't arise.
And yet a party with this policy was rejected at a general election a couple of months ago.
Up to a point, Mr Ville. It would probably be ore exact to say that 40% were so horrified at the thought of a TMay dictatorship, that they rushed off to vote Labour to prevent that. And another 40% were so appalled by the thought of a Corbyn socialist state that they voted Tory without a second thought.
The threats of the inept Brexit negotiations was too far into the future to worry about. But things are changing now.
Yes, quite. Not arguing that the demands of the little people should be ignored. Arguing that Brexit is a catastrophe and the democratically elected representatives who have formed the same view should come together to seek to avert it.
And yet a party with this policy was rejected at a general election a couple of months ago.
Pray tell what other policies Mr Chapman is proposing for his new party.
Take a look at his twitter account. He proposed a lot.
C'mon, this is nothing but raging at the dying of the light. Brexit is underway and will be delivered, for good or ill. Whatever Mr Chapman's motives or state of mind, his August silly season prospectus is going nowhere.
AC Grayling, Will Hutton and now Chapman comparing Brexit to treason, Dunkirk or WW2 in general are displaying seanT's Brexomania or Brexychosis in spades.
~42% of leavers want all EU citizens to leave the country?
Perhaps even more astonishing is the ~29% of remainers who also want all EU citizens to leave.
RIP liberal Britain.
I'm not sure it's RIP - I think it's more that these views have not previously been heard, whereas metropolitan liberal "citizens of nowhere" views have, their holders moreover mistaking their own opinions for a settled and overwhelming consensus.
I have no idea how this 36% who want them all sent back think taxis, builders, hospitals and the hospitality trade will continue to function if it ever happened. I wonder if there's some cognitive dissonance here, whereby they think both that there are too many immigrants, but also think there aren't very many immigrants, so it won't matter if they're all expelled?
I expect they think wages will normalise, and those jobs will be filled by non-immigrants.
~42% of leavers want all EU citizens to leave the country?
Perhaps even more astonishing is the ~29% of remainers who also want all EU citizens to leave.
RIP liberal Britain.
I'm not sure it's RIP - I think it's more that these views have not previously been heard, whereas metropolitan liberal "citizens of nowhere" views have, their holders moreover mistaking their own opinions for a settled and overwhelming consensus.
I have no idea how this 36% who want them all sent back think taxis, builders, hospitals and the hospitality trade will continue to function if it ever happened. I wonder if there's some cognitive dissonance here, whereby they think both that there are too many immigrants, but also think there aren't very many immigrants, so it won't matter if they're all expelled?
The poll's very contradictory, since people are asked 5 different propositions on this, but can agree or disagree with all of them. Most people have picked more than one. And I suspect they're intrepreting the question as "Should all EU citizens lose the automatic right to stay?" rather than "shall we expel every last doctor and scientist?"
Just received endearingly batty email from Sam at ReadyForMogg.org saying please crowdfund them. JRM could presumably put a stop to this with one behind the scenes email, or one tweet. But hasn't...
And yet a party with this policy was rejected at a general election a couple of months ago.
Up to a point, Mr Ville. It would probably be ore exact to say that 40% were so horrified at the thought of a TMay dictatorship, that they rushed off to vote Labour to prevent that. And another 40% were so appalled by the thought of a Corbyn socialist state that they voted Tory without a second thought.
The threats of the inept Brexit negotiations was too far into the future to worry about. But things are changing now.
That said, Mr Chapman has also lost the plot.
Your interpretation of the voters' intent is as likely as any, but it doesn't change the result, which is a Tory government (with DUP support) committed to delivering Brexit, sitting across from HM's Official Opposition that is also committed to Brexit.
Chapman and others may believe that a majority of MPs would defy their party members and party whips as well as the voters, but he, and most of the others, like Jeremy Cliffe of the Economist who is also cheerleading for this new grouping, have never stood for election to as much as a parish council, so are whistling in the wind.
Let's call their new anti-Brexit group The Wishful Thinking Party, or the We Know Better Than You Party, or the Don't Worry Your Pretty Little Heads We've Got This Party.
The probability that SPD, Greens and AfD would ever vote together is so small that Merkel needn't worry about it, even if CDU/CSU-FDP were just short of an overall majority - it's like worrying that Labour, LibDems, Greens and UKIP might make common cause. But I agree that they might include the Greens if they felt they needed a confortable majority. I don't think that HYUFD is correct that the CSU would veto it - in practice they always go with the CDU, despite public grumbling.
Yes, quite. Not arguing that the demands of the little people should be ignored. Arguing that Brexit is a catastrophe and the democratically elected representatives who have formed the same view should come together to seek to avert it.
That is exactly saying that the demands of the little people should be ignored as the little people have demanded that we Leave the EU.
No it's not exactly the same. The public decided to vote to sail down a river. If you see Niagara ahead, it is not ignoring the demands of the little people for the crew to take matters into their own hands.
I should point out that personally I don't agree with James Chapman. But this idea that democracy stopped on 23 June 2016 is ridiculous.
There is no such idea. But democracy requires that the decisions taken by the people are implemented by the politicians.
The idea that the politicians can say to the people "you got it wrong, vote again" is as anti-democratic as Maduro saying "you got it wrong in the 2015 National Assembly election" and following it as he has.
Strike action isn't quitting, it is saying you still work there but are refusing to do so and preventing the employer from filling the vacancies because they'd have twice as many staff when the strike ended than they need. If they quit then they might find there is a queue of people willing and waiting to fill those vacancies.
You do realise an employer can basically sack strikers for breach of contract, do you? What he can't do is selectively sack and re-engage, but he can tell all strikers to feck off and not come back. So your scenario of having exactly 2x too many workers won't arise.
You are wrong. A employer can't sack striking employees if a ballot was called etc, at least for the first 12 weeks of the dispute. After 12 weeks an employer can if they have tried to resolve the dispute eg via ACAS but three months is a very long time to be without employees and unions generally stop and restart the strike action so that the 12 week threshold isn't met.
Yes, quite. Not arguing that the demands of the little people should be ignored. Arguing that Brexit is a catastrophe and the democratically elected representatives who have formed the same view should come together to seek to avert it.
That is exactly saying that the demands of the little people should be ignored as the little people have demanded that we Leave the EU.
No it's not exactly the same. The public decided to vote to sail down a river. If you see Niagara ahead, it is not ignoring the demands of the little people for the crew to take matters into their own hands.
I should point out that personally I don't agree with James Chapman. But this idea that democracy stopped on 23 June 2016 is ridiculous.
There is no such idea. But democracy requires that the decisions taken by the people are implemented by the politicians.
Yes, quite. Not arguing that the demands of the little people should be ignored. Arguing that Brexit is a catastrophe and the democratically elected representatives who have formed the same view should come together to seek to avert it.
That is exactly saying that the demands of the little people should be ignored as the little people have demanded that we Leave the EU.
No it's not exactly the same. The public decided to vote to sail down a river. If you see Niagara ahead, it is not ignoring the demands of the little people for the crew to take matters into their own hands.
I should point out that personally I don't agree with James Chapman. But this idea that democracy stopped on 23 June 2016 is ridiculous.
There is no such idea. But democracy requires that the decisions taken by the people are implemented by the politicians.
So what's your solution for the Irish border?
That the EU grants us free trade and free movement across the border to NI. And preferably free trade with the rest of the EU too.
Since the UK is free to negotiate movement restrictions according to our own requirements and EU member states [especially Ireland] are free to negotiate their own movement requirements, if the UK and Eire agree free movement across the Common Travel Area that doesn't extend to the EU then that is for us to agree. It is in fact the existing policy so nothing needs to change.
It's only the EU's desire not to concede us free trade at this stage that is making the Irish border an issue.
Just received endearingly batty email from Sam at ReadyForMogg.org saying please crowdfund them. JRM could presumably put a stop to this with one behind the scenes email, or one tweet. But hasn't...
Plausible deniability.
He's probably privately loving this attention while being able to plausibly deny that it has anything to do with him. What purpose would stopping it serve?
Yes, quite. Not arguing that the demands of the little people should be ignored. Arguing that Brexit is a catastrophe and the democratically elected representatives who have formed the same view should come together to seek to avert it.
That is exactly saying that the demands of the little people should be ignored as the little people have demanded that we Leave the EU.
No it's not exactly the same. The public decided to vote to sail down a river. If you see Niagara ahead, it is not ignoring the demands of the little people for the crew to take matters into their own hands.
I should point out that personally I don't agree with James Chapman. But this idea that democracy stopped on 23 June 2016 is ridiculous.
There is no such idea. But democracy requires that the decisions taken by the people are implemented by the politicians.
So what's your solution for the Irish border?
That the EU grants us free trade and free movement across the border to NI. And preferably free trade with the rest of the EU too.
Since the UK is free to negotiate movement restrictions according to our own requirements and EU member states [especially Ireland] are free to negotiate their own movement requirements, if the UK and Eire agree free movement across the Common Travel Area that doesn't extend to the EU then that is for us to agree. It is in fact the existing policy so nothing needs to change.
It's only the EU's desire not to concede us free trade at this stage that is making the Irish border an issue.
'Concede' free trade? They are going to impose free trade, and there's nothing you can do about it. We couldn't leave the single market if we tried.
That the EU grants us free trade and free movement across the border to NI. And preferably free trade with the rest of the EU too.
Since the UK is free to negotiate movement restrictions according to our own requirements and EU member states [especially Ireland] are free to negotiate their own movement requirements, if the UK and Eire agree free movement across the Common Travel Area that doesn't extend to the EU then that is for us to agree. It is in fact the existing policy so nothing needs to change.
It's only the EU's desire not to concede us free trade at this stage that is making the Irish border an issue.
'Concede' free trade? They are going to impose free trade, and there's nothing you can do about it. We couldn't leave the single market if we tried.
That's fantastic news. If we can have free trade without paying any of the £350mn £270mn a week we were paying and without the ECJ jurisdiction and without the EU Commission and without the EU Parliament etc then that is wonderful.
Win/win/win/win/win - leaving the EU was the best idea ever. Thanks for that wonderful endorsement william.
Strike action isn't quitting, it is saying you still work there but are refusing to do so and preventing the employer from filling the vacancies because they'd have twice as many staff when the strike ended than they need. If they quit then they might find there is a queue of people willing and waiting to fill those vacancies.
You do realise an employer can basically sack strikers for breach of contract, do you? What he can't do is selectively sack and re-engage, but he can tell all strikers to feck off and not come back. So your scenario of having exactly 2x too many workers won't arise.
You are wrong. A employer can't sack striking employees if a ballot was called etc, at least for the first 12 weeks of the dispute. After 12 weeks an employer can if they have tried to resolve the dispute eg via ACAS but three months is a very long time to be without employees and unions generally stop and restart the strike action so that the 12 week threshold isn't met.
That the EU grants us free trade and free movement across the border to NI. And preferably free trade with the rest of the EU too.
Since the UK is free to negotiate movement restrictions according to our own requirements and EU member states [especially Ireland] are free to negotiate their own movement requirements, if the UK and Eire agree free movement across the Common Travel Area that doesn't extend to the EU then that is for us to agree. It is in fact the existing policy so nothing needs to change.
It's only the EU's desire not to concede us free trade at this stage that is making the Irish border an issue.
'Concede' free trade? They are going to impose free trade, and there's nothing you can do about it. We couldn't leave the single market if we tried.
That's fantastic news. If we can have free trade without paying any of the £350mn £270mn a week we were paying and without the ECJ jurisdiction and without the EU Commission and without the EU Parliament etc then that is wonderful.
Win/win/win/win/win - leaving the EU was the best idea ever. Thanks for that wonderful endorsement william.
What part of not leaving the single market did you not understand?
Strike action isn't quitting, it is saying you still work there but are refusing to do so and preventing the employer from filling the vacancies because they'd have twice as many staff when the strike ended than they need. If they quit then they might find there is a queue of people willing and waiting to fill those vacancies.
You do realise an employer can basically sack strikers for breach of contract, do you? What he can't do is selectively sack and re-engage, but he can tell all strikers to feck off and not come back. So your scenario of having exactly 2x too many workers won't arise.
You are wrong. A employer can't sack striking employees if a ballot was called etc, at least for the first 12 weeks of the dispute. After 12 weeks an employer can if they have tried to resolve the dispute eg via ACAS but three months is a very long time to be without employees and unions generally stop and restart the strike action so that the 12 week threshold isn't met.
Yes sorry, forgot about the 12 weeks. Doesn't make your scenario any more plausible, though.
If an employee quit then the employer would have no choice but to try to fill the vacancy, which could include pay rises if supply and demand meant it was appropriate to do so.
Strike action is almost the worst-case scenario for the employer as the employer has no employee yet can't replace the employee. It is the ultimate "have cake and eat it" scenario.
Yes, quite. Not arguing that the demands of the little people should be ignored. Arguing that Brexit is a catastrophe and the democratically elected representatives who have formed the same view should come together to seek to avert it.
That is exactly saying that the demands of the little people should be ignored as the little people have demanded that we Leave the EU.
No it's not exactly the same. The public decided to vote to sail down a river. If you see Niagara ahead, it is not ignoring the demands of the little people for the crew to take matters into their own hands.
I should point out that personally I don't agree with James Chapman. But this idea that democracy stopped on 23 June 2016 is ridiculous.
There is no such idea. But democracy requires that the decisions taken by the people are implemented by the politicians.
So what's your solution for the Irish border?
That the EU grants us free trade and free movement across the border to NI. And preferably free trade with the rest of the EU too.
Since the UK is free to negotiate movement restrictions according to our own requirements and EU member states [especially Ireland] are free to negotiate their own movement requirements, if the UK and Eire agree free movement across the Common Travel Area that doesn't extend to the EU then that is for us to agree. It is in fact the existing policy so nothing needs to change.
It's only the EU's desire not to concede us free trade at this stage that is making the Irish border an issue.
'Concede' free trade? They are going to impose free trade, and there's nothing you can do about it. We couldn't leave the single market if we tried.
Wow, you are Stuart Rose and I claim my five pounds....
That the EU grants us free trade and free movement across the border to NI. And preferably free trade with the rest of the EU too.
Since the UK is free to negotiate movement restrictions according to our own requirements and EU member states [especially Ireland] are free to negotiate their own movement requirements, if the UK and Eire agree free movement across the Common Travel Area that doesn't extend to the EU then that is for us to agree. It is in fact the existing policy so nothing needs to change.
It's only the EU's desire not to concede us free trade at this stage that is making the Irish border an issue.
'Concede' free trade? They are going to impose free trade, and there's nothing you can do about it. We couldn't leave the single market if we tried.
That's fantastic news. If we can have free trade without paying any of the £350mn £270mn a week we were paying and without the ECJ jurisdiction and without the EU Commission and without the EU Parliament etc then that is wonderful.
Win/win/win/win/win - leaving the EU was the best idea ever. Thanks for that wonderful endorsement william.
What part of not leaving the single market did you not understand?
We are leaving the ECJ etc. If we still have single market access without any of those burdens then brilliant we will have got everything we wanted without everything we didn't. You are being really optimistic for the pro-Brexit side for once.
Yes, quite. Not arguing that the demands of the little people should be ignored. Arguing that Brexit is a catastrophe and the democratically elected representatives who have formed the same view should come together to seek to avert it.
That is exactly saying that the demands of the little people should be ignored as the little people have demanded that we Leave the EU.
No it's not exactly the same. The public decided to vote to sail down a river. If you see Niagara ahead, it is not ignoring the demands of the little people for the crew to take matters into their own hands.
I should point out that personally I don't agree with James Chapman. But this idea that democracy stopped on 23 June 2016 is ridiculous.
There is no such idea. But democracy requires that the decisions taken by the people are implemented by the politicians.
The idea that the politicians can say to the people "you got it wrong, vote again" is as anti-democratic as Maduro saying "you got it wrong in the 2015 National Assembly election" and following it as he has.
Absolutely. Democracy also means that the same people can change their minds through another legal referendum. The clock did not stop on 23rd June 2016.
What is undemocratic about asking the people again ?
I suppose what Trump is really doing is piling pressure on China to make Kim back down, or get rid of him. He is actually quite well-positioned in every possible outcome of this situation (provided he has a good bunker for the 'nuclear armageddon' scenario.
From the Chinese viewpoint, why should they remove Kim ? They don't want a pro Western country with a land border. The nukes are inconvenient but Kim would not be hitting China with those.
What else do you call it when you do petitions and fire off emails at your representatives?
Pointless. Ineffective.
It's a shame the old Chartist demand for the ability to immediately recall representatives wasn't taken up. Seems to me like we have a situation where 1) the union is doing a pretty good job of representing the will of its members, the whole point of its existence; 2) the council is doing a crap job of representing the will of its electorate, the whole point of its existence.
Maybe if there were better mechanisms of accountability the council would be 'getting round the table' etc. rather than trying to bully its workforce and allowing these strikes to continue...
You're blaming the council for the union choosing to strike?
Yes
Do you have any experience of strikes?
Yes, the fucking RMT and ASLEF making my life miserable at least twice a year for the past twenty years even though I have no way of affecting their disputes (translation: "we want more money") and I can't even take my business elsewhere.
I find this attitude bizarre. You expect railworkers to be sympathetic to your discomfort twice a year, when you're not sympathetic to their concerns about the thing they spend 40 hours a week doing. If railworkers never went on strike they'd still be getting paid 1911 rates.
If they don't like their job they can quit and get another. If the employer was struggling to fill vacancies they would need to raise wages in order to attract new employees or keep hold of their experienced ones..
Why ? International labour laws allow the withdrawl of labour. WhyTF do you not take a taxi ?
Yes, quite. Not arguing that the demands of the little people should be ignored. Arguing that Brexit is a catastrophe and the democratically elected representatives who have formed the same view should come together to seek to avert it.
That is exactly saying that the demands of the little people should be ignored as the little people have demanded that we Leave the EU.
No it's not exactly the same. The public decided to vote to sail down a river. If you see Niagara ahead, it is not ignoring the demands of the little people for the crew to take matters into their own hands.
I should point out that personally I don't agree with James Chapman. But this idea that democracy stopped on 23 June 2016 is ridiculous.
There is no such idea. But democracy requires that the decisions taken by the people are implemented by the politicians.
The idea that the politicians can say to the people "you got it wrong, vote again" is as anti-democratic as Maduro saying "you got it wrong in the 2015 National Assembly election" and following it as he has.
Absolutely. Democracy also means that the same people can change their minds through another legal referendum. The clock did not stop on 23rd June 2016.
What is undemocratic about asking the people again ?
Depends when you do it. After we have implemented the Leave vote, a Rejoin referendum will be democratically legitimate.
Yes, quite. Not arguing that the demands of the little people should be ignored. Arguing that Brexit is a catastrophe and the democratically elected representatives who have formed the same view should come together to seek to avert it.
That is exactly saying that the demands of the little people should be ignored as the little people have demanded that we Leave the EU.
No it's not exactly the same. The public decided to vote to sail down a river. If you see Niagara ahead, it is not ignoring the demands of the little people for the crew to take matters into their own hands.
I should point out that personally I don't agree with James Chapman. But this idea that democracy stopped on 23 June 2016 is ridiculous.
There is no such idea. But democracy requires that the decisions taken by the people are implemented by the politicians.
The idea that the politicians can say to the people "you got it wrong, vote again" is as anti-democratic as Maduro saying "you got it wrong in the 2015 National Assembly election" and following it as he has.
Absolutely. Democracy also means that the same people can change their minds through another legal referendum. The clock did not stop on 23rd June 2016.
What is undemocratic about asking the people again ?
Depends when you do it. After we have implemented the Leave vote, a Rejoin referendum will be democratically legitimate.
You don't decide. Parliament does. Remember Parliament is sovereign. You lot told us that. If Parliament wants a referendum every week, that would be legal too ! After all, you don't have to vote.
Yes, quite. Not arguing that the demands of the little people should be ignored. Arguing that Brexit is a catastrophe and the democratically elected representatives who have formed the same view should come together to seek to avert it.
That is exactly saying that the demands of the little people should be ignored as the little people have demanded that we Leave the EU.
No it's not exactly the same. The public decided to vote to sail down a river. If you see Niagara ahead, it is not ignoring the demands of the little people for the crew to take matters into their own hands.
I should point out that personally I don't agree with James Chapman. But this idea that democracy stopped on 23 June 2016 is ridiculous.
There is no such idea. But democracy requires that the decisions taken by the people are implemented by the politicians.
The idea that the politicians can say to the people "you got it wrong, vote again" is as anti-democratic as Maduro saying "you got it wrong in the 2015 National Assembly election" and following it as he has.
Absolutely. Democracy also means that the same people can change their minds through another legal referendum. The clock did not stop on 23rd June 2016.
What is undemocratic about asking the people again ?
Depends when you do it. After we have implemented the Leave vote, a Rejoin referendum will be democratically legitimate.
What if it's held preemptively to rubber-stamp the entry into force of a new accession treaty the day after we leave? Even your contorted arguments about democracy can't object to the legitimacy of that.
That is exactly saying that the demands of the little people should be ignored as the little people have demanded that we Leave the EU.
No it's not exactly the same. The public decided to vote to sail down a river. If you see Niagara ahead, it is not ignoring the demands of the little people for the crew to take matters into their own hands.
I should point out that personally I don't agree with James Chapman. But this idea that democracy stopped on 23 June 2016 is ridiculous.
There is no such idea. But democracy requires that the decisions taken by the people are implemented by the politicians.
The idea that the politicians can say to the people "you got it wrong, vote again" is as anti-democratic as Maduro saying "you got it wrong in the 2015 National Assembly election" and following it as he has.
Absolutely. Democracy also means that the same people can change their minds through another legal referendum. The clock did not stop on 23rd June 2016.
What is undemocratic about asking the people again ?
Depends when you do it. After we have implemented the Leave vote, a Rejoin referendum will be democratically legitimate.
What if it's held preemptively to rubber-stamp the entry into force of a new accession treaty the day after we leave? Even your contorted arguments about democracy can't object to the legitimacy of that.
What sort of reality do you live in?
There are no votes for it in Parliament, the country would tear apart any party that did it, and the EU don't want it.
I suppose what Trump is really doing is piling pressure on China to make Kim back down, or get rid of him. He is actually quite well-positioned in every possible outcome of this situation (provided he has a good bunker for the 'nuclear armageddon' scenario.
From the Chinese viewpoint, why should they remove Kim ? They don't want a pro Western country with a land border. The nukes are inconvenient but Kim would not be hitting China with those.
I think that's a really poor analysis of the situation. NK threatens China as well: Earlier in the year they threatened China with 'grave consequences' over their lack of recent support. Then there's the fear China has of millions of refugees crossing the border if NK were to fail, and the other risks of having NK next door.
It's possible that China would see a unified, westernised Korea sans American troops more favourably than the status quo of an unstable NK and an SK with massive numbers of American forces near their borders.
I *think* one of James' Chapman's tweets may well have overstepped the mark in his tw@tter war with Paul Staines...
I'll refrain from reposting here as I don't want the legal writs and bills to land on Our Genial Hosts' doormat ^_~
He will live to regret some of his tweets, I think.
He is making a lot of enemies amongst Right-wing journalists who will now make it their mission to bay for his blood.
Amusing to see Chapman claim that Thatcher would have voted Remain. The president of the Bruges Group would have voted remain... Okaaaaay...
It depends which period of Maggies career. For most of her political life she was pro EU, and actively campaigned for single market inc FOM, and EU expansion to the East.
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(a) they have a public sector employee who is backed by the taxpayer;
(b) they have a monopoly service to which there is no viable alternative (such as railway workers) ultimately funded by the taxpayer or
(c) they are feeling absolutely suicidal and are willing to risk their employment (BA Cabin staff come to mind).
Local Authority budgets have been severely cut. Whilst it is pretty indisputable that they would be better starting with the senior management and the "redundancy packages" offered to senior staff approaching retirement than the poorly paid workers actually providing the service the fact is that they have to operate within a budget and leaving tonnes of rubbish on the streets of Birmingham is not going to change that.
Holy Moly
~42% of leavers want all EU citizens to leave the country?
Perhaps even more astonishing is the ~29% of remainers who also want all EU citizens to leave.
RIP liberal Britain.
Unite aren't disputing the need to work within a budget. They're disputing what they see as the mismanagement of that budget. They're disputing the ability of the council to pass on its failures to its lowest paid workers, rather than actually correcting its failures in dialogue with the people who run and know the service.
Maybe the real lesson of recent political events is that the British electorate loves lying to pollsters.
Edit: And, most importantly, certainly not on the agenda of the EU.
His first reaction on hearing the crackers 'VAT on private schools' Labour plan was that he wondered if the proponents realised that if VAT is charged on fees then Indy schools would be entitled to reclaim VAT on purchases, like all other businesses. I'm guessing not.
http://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/james-chapman-rally/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4779296/Do-cheesy-chat-lines-really-work.html
How on earth does this work ?
Are new employees lives made a misery or some such. I do occasionally wonder how the mahoosively paid train driver (For instance) jobs aren't bursting at the seems with applicants..
Why would anyone unemployed 'cooperate' to not get themselves a job ?
PB fantasy premier league starts tonight.... please join us and ensure TSE finishes way out of the top spots once again!
The link to the relevant league is in one of my recent posts ....
https://twitter.com/jameschappers/status/896044435104051204
Merkel has been meticulous in keeping her options open with the Greens too. For once, Jamaica is a realistic possibility.
I have no idea how this 36% who want them all sent back think taxis, builders, hospitals and the hospitality trade will continue to function if it ever happened. I wonder if there's some cognitive dissonance here, whereby they think both that there are too many immigrants, but also think there aren't very many immigrants, so it won't matter if they're all expelled?
I should point out that personally I don't agree with James Chapman. But this idea that democracy stopped on 23 June 2016 is ridiculous.
I'll refrain from reposting here as I don't want the legal writs and bills to land on Our Genial Hosts' doormat ^_~
Pray tell what other policies Mr Chapman is proposing for his new party.
The threats of the inept Brexit negotiations was too far into the future to worry about. But things are changing now.
That said, Mr Chapman has also lost the plot.
AC Grayling, Will Hutton and now Chapman comparing Brexit to treason, Dunkirk or WW2 in general are displaying seanT's Brexomania or Brexychosis in spades.
Someone linked to DD's memo to the Lords yesterday - http://www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-committees/eu-select/Correspondence-2017-19/09-08-17-Letter-from-David-Davis-MP.pdf
Clearly, this is not chaos. It may not suit Mr Chapman, you, or up to 48% of the voters, but it is ongoing and there is a timetable that will be met.
Chapman and others may believe that a majority of MPs would defy their party members and party whips as well as the voters, but he, and most of the others, like Jeremy Cliffe of the Economist who is also cheerleading for this new grouping, have never stood for election to as much as a parish council, so are whistling in the wind.
Let's call their new anti-Brexit group The Wishful Thinking Party, or the We Know Better Than You Party, or the Don't Worry Your Pretty Little Heads We've Got This Party.
The idea that the politicians can say to the people "you got it wrong, vote again" is as anti-democratic as Maduro saying "you got it wrong in the 2015 National Assembly election" and following it as he has.
https://www.gov.uk/industrial-action-strikes/your-employment-rights-during-industrial-action
Since the UK is free to negotiate movement restrictions according to our own requirements and EU member states [especially Ireland] are free to negotiate their own movement requirements, if the UK and Eire agree free movement across the Common Travel Area that doesn't extend to the EU then that is for us to agree. It is in fact the existing policy so nothing needs to change.
It's only the EU's desire not to concede us free trade at this stage that is making the Irish border an issue.
He's probably privately loving this attention while being able to plausibly deny that it has anything to do with him. What purpose would stopping it serve?
Win/win/win/win/win - leaving the EU was the best idea ever. Thanks for that wonderful endorsement william.
He is making a lot of enemies amongst Right-wing journalists who will now make it their mission to bay for his blood.
Strike action is almost the worst-case scenario for the employer as the employer has no employee yet can't replace the employee. It is the ultimate "have cake and eat it" scenario.
What is undemocratic about asking the people again ?
https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/895010060757340160
Sadly the real North Korea is taking this whole pissing match very seriously this weekend.
There are no votes for it in Parliament, the country would tear apart any party that did it, and the EU don't want it.
The man is totally unhinged!
It's possible that China would see a unified, westernised Korea sans American troops more favourably than the status quo of an unstable NK and an SK with massive numbers of American forces near their borders.
https://twitter.com/jameschappers/status/896011985028091906