That was imposed by Heath's Tory Government as a result of problems in the Coal industry. Are you seriously suggesting that private sector industries were unaffected by the 3 Day Week?
I am suggesting that the nationalised utilities were hardly 'performing quite well'. This is of course unsurprising: nationalised industries inevitably tend to become captured by producer interests, since the consumer has no say in the matter and politicians will always be very tempted to deal with short-terms problems by buying off the producer interests with taxpayers' money.
There was no great public demand to privatise the Gas, Water and Electricity industries which were generally making significant contributions to the Treasury coffers. It was done for entirely ideological reasons. Well others are entitled to play that game!
It was done for the entirely ideological reasons that Conservatives believe in boosting efficiency, cutting costs, and improving customer service. The policy has proved so successful that it was embraced by Labour in government and has been copied all over the world:
Of course there is no guarantee that we won't go back to the bad old ways; the fact that the leader of the opposition is an unreconstructed 1970s hard-left extremist suggests that it's by no means impossible for the progress to be reversed.
The last Labour Government was well to the right of the postwar Tory Governments which preceded Thatcher - and which all took the view that the public interest was best served by such utilities remaining in the public sector. The privatised successors have now fallen out of favour with the general public , and it is hardly surprising that so many are receptive to the idea of returning them to state control rather than continuing to run them in the interests of a narrow group of shareholders.
The ridiculous artificial privatised electricity 'market' we have now penalises those without the wherewithal to be switching supplier every year, diminishes our national productivity because of the effort wasted enouraging and administering switching, and in the main syphons off any profits abroad. A complete farce in pursuit of neoliberal dogma!
Evidence?
1. Some examples: my mother and my father-in-law are both in their 80s, neither have internet access and are consequently shut out of the route to the best deals. Both unsurprisingly are on standard rates subsidising the many of us who can and do switch. They are not untypical; very few of the more vulnerable in society will be working this particular system to good effect. If everybody was of course there would be no upside for those of who can and do switch regularly.
2. The administration of switching - the call-centres, web sites, advertising (oh and don't forget Ofgem!) - add nothing to the efficient production and delivery of electricity and indeed are an unnecessary overhead. As a result, operating costs are continuing to increase as a proportion of bills (see below). https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/data-portal/retail-market-indicators#thumbchart-c7770745751913637-n84514
If I ram my hand in a toaster that does not mean that toasting things is a bad idea, it means I should take my hand out of the damn toaster and insert some bread.
Am I right in thinking Mr Bolton previous worked for the EU and has an EU national wife? He has one upped Nige. UKIP members certainly are an interesting bunch.
The ridiculous artificial privatised electricity 'market' we have now penalises those without the wherewithal to be switching supplier every year, diminishes our national productivity because of the effort wasted enouraging and administering switching, and in the main syphons off any profits abroad. A complete farce in pursuit of neoliberal dogma!
Evidence?
1. Some examples: my mother and my father-in-law are both in their 80s, neither have internet access and are consequently shut out of the route to the best deals. Both unsurprisingly are on standard rates subsidising the many of us who can and do switch. They are not untypical; very few of the more vulnerable in society will be working this particular system to good effect. If everybody was of course there would be no upside for those of who can and do switch regularly.
So my question is, how has electricity privatisation and the creation of a 'market' helped the general UK population at large?
The service from the nationalised electricity groups was too infused with producer interests running through its veins. Privatisation shifted the corporate culture largely for the better.
Am I right in thinking Mr Bolton previous worked for the EU and has an EU national wife? He has one upped Nige. UKIP members certainly are an interesting bunch.
Well a former LD is certainly not what most people expect when they think UKIP, perhaps their image will change. When the campaign came up there was some surprise at my offices that something like half the leadership candidates were gay.
That was imposed by Heath's Tory Government as a result of problems in the Coal industry. Are you seriously suggesting that private sector industries were unaffected by the 3 Day Week?
I am suggesting that the nationalised utilities were hardly 'performing quite well'. This is of course unsurprising: nationalised industries inevitably tend to become captured by producer interests, since the consumer has no say in the matter and politicians will always be very tempted to deal with short-terms problems by buying off the producer interests with taxpayers' money.
There was no great public demand to privatise the Gas, Water and Electricity industries which were generally making significant contributions to the Treasury coffers. It was done for entirely ideological reasons. Well others are entitled to play that game!
It was done for the entirely ideological reasons that Conservatives believe in boosting efficiency, cutting costs, and improving customer service. The policy has proved so successful that it was embraced by Labour in government and has been copied all over the world:
Of course there is no guarantee that we won't go back to the bad old ways; the fact that the leader of the opposition is an unreconstructed 1970s hard-left extremist suggests that it's by no means impossible for the progress to be reversed.
The last Labour Government was well to the right of the postwar Tory Governments which preceded Thatcher - and which all took the view that the public interest was best served by such utilities remaining in the public sector. The privatised successors have now fallen out of favour with the general public , and it is hardly surprising that so many are receptive to the idea of returning them to state control rather than continuing to run them in the interests of a narrow group of shareholders.
He's a former Lib Dem candidate who stood against Phil Hammond in 2005, he switched to UKIP in 2014 because he wanted to be in a party where you could say what you thought.
A public information announcement for any Bladerunner fans on here.
Do not accidently read the Bladerunner 2049 review in the Daily Telegraph this afternoon. It is a brilliant review which gives me huge hope for the film but it is absolutely packed full of significant spoilers.
The reviewer gives it 5 stars and the headline is:
"Harrison Ford is extraordinary in the most spectacular, provocative blockbuster of our time"
Needless to say I can't wait to see it next week.
I won't post a link as it is easy to find if you don't mind the spoilers.
Oh and the same goes with varying degrees for the Guardian and Independent who both also give it 5 stars.
He's a former Lib Dem candidate who stood against Phil Hammond in 2005, he switched to UKIP in 2014 because he wanted to be in a party where you could say what you thought.
He could help with those key LD UKIP swing voters then!
That was imposed by Heath's Tory Government as a result of problems in the Coal industry. Are you seriously suggesting that private sector industries were unaffected by the 3 Day Week?
I am suggesting that the nationalised utilities were hardly 'performing quite well'. This is of course unsurprising: nationalised industries inevitably tend to become captured by producer interests, since the consumer has no say in the matter and politicians will always be very tempted to deal with short-terms problems by buying off the producer interests with taxpayers' money.
There was no great public demand to privatise the Gas, Water and Electricity industries which were generally making significant contributions to the Treasury coffers. It was done for entirely ideological reasons. Well others are entitled to play that game!
It was done for the entirely ideological reasons that Conservatives believe in boosting efficiency, cutting costs, and improving customer service. The policy has proved so successful that it was embraced by Labour in government and has been copied all over the world:
Of course there is no guarantee that we won't go back to the bad old ways; the fact that the leader of the opposition is an unreconstructed 1970s hard-left extremist suggests that it's by no means impossible for the progress to be reversed.
The last Labour Government was well to the right of the postwar Tory Governments which preceded Thatcher - and which all took the view that the public interest was best served by such utilities remaining in the public sector. The privatised successors have now fallen out of favour with the general public , and it is hardly surprising that so many are receptive to the idea of returning them to state control rather than continuing to run them in the interests of a narrow group of shareholders.
And who manages your pension funds?
Some coked up tosser that autobuys a tracker for 1% of my retirement pot per year ?
He's a former Lib Dem candidate who stood against Phil Hammond in 2005, he switched to UKIP in 2014 because he wanted to be in a party where you could say what you thought.
1. Some examples: my mother and my father-in-law are both in their 80s, neither have internet access and are consequently shut out of the route to the best deals. Both unsurprisingly are on standard rates subsidising the many of us who can and do switch. They are not untypical; very few of the more vulnerable in society will be working this particular system to good effect. If everybody was of course there would be no upside for those of who can and do switch regularly.
So my question is, how has electricity privatisation and the creation of a 'market' helped the general UK population at large?
By reducing costs, increasing efficiency and improving customer service. Why else would the model have been copied so extensively across the world?
The only one of your points which has any merit is the first one, where I agree the model isn't working as well as it should. However, the regulator is addressing that.
As for the other points: of course the administration of switching adds something; it adds price competition. That's kinda the idea: competition drives down prices.
Why on earth does it matter who owns the various companies in our globalised world? Is it a disgrace that an element of US airline passenger's fares are being 'creamed off' to provide profits for Rolls Royce, or their medical costs are contributing to the profits of Astra Zeneca and GSK?
A public information announcement for any Bladerunner fans on here.
Do not accidently read the Bladerunner 2049 review in the Daily Telegraph this afternoon. It is a brilliant review which gives me huge hope for the film but it is absolutely packed full of significant spoilers.
The reviewer gives it 5 stars and the headline is:
"Harrison Ford is extraordinary in the most spectacular, provocative blockbuster of our time"
Needless to say I can't wait to see it next week.
I won't post a link as it is easy to find if you don't mind the spoilers.
Oh and the same goes with varying degrees for the Guardian and Independent who both also give it 5 stars.
One of the guys on scifi forums I visit has seen it, his review was
'Creamed my boxers, this is going to win every Oscar going if there's any justice'
He's a former Lib Dem candidate who stood against Phil Hammond in 2005, he switched to UKIP in 2014 because he wanted to be in a party where you could say what you thought.
Good back story - what did he get an OBE for
He was awarded the OBE in the 2013 New Year Honours "for services to international security and stabilisation" as Stabilisation Team Leader, Provincial Reconstruction Team, in Helmand Province, Afghanistan.
He's a former Lib Dem candidate who stood against Phil Hammond in 2005, he switched to UKIP in 2014 because he wanted to be in a party where you could say what you thought.
Mr. kle4, gay Kippers could've had a nice slogan going: "Out and proud!"
Cannibalistic Kippers could form a grouping called Purple People Eaters.
No doubt the discussions on halal meat would prove lively.
Now be fair, cannibalistic Kippers make up barely 10% of the total membership. It does unfortunately explain why they lost all those seats in the locals.
He's a former Lib Dem candidate who stood against Phil Hammond in 2005, he switched to UKIP in 2014 because he wanted to be in a party where you could say what you thought.
Good back story - what did he get an OBE for
He was awarded the OBE in the 2013 New Year Honours "for services to international security and stabilisation" as Stabilisation Team Leader, Provincial Reconstruction Team, in Helmand Province, Afghanistan.
Interesting and possibly a good choice. While he seemed bland he did emphasize being British and we are not to be ruled from a foreign capital.
A public information announcement for any Bladerunner fans on here.
Do not accidently read the Bladerunner 2049 review in the Daily Telegraph this afternoon. It is a brilliant review which gives me huge hope for the film but it is absolutely packed full of significant spoilers.
The reviewer gives it 5 stars and the headline is:
"Harrison Ford is extraordinary in the most spectacular, provocative blockbuster of our time"
Needless to say I can't wait to see it next week.
I won't post a link as it is easy to find if you don't mind the spoilers.
Oh and the same goes with varying degrees for the Guardian and Independent who both also give it 5 stars.
One of the guys on scifi forums I visit has seen it, his review was
'Creamed my boxers, this is going to win every Oscar going if there's any justice'
What I am pleased about is that even the non Sci Fi fans are raving about it. Seeing words like 'masterpiece' being used is superb.
He's a former Lib Dem candidate who stood against Phil Hammond in 2005, he switched to UKIP in 2014 because he wanted to be in a party where you could say what you thought.
Mr. kle4, gay Kippers could've had a nice slogan going: "Out and proud!"
Cannibalistic Kippers could form a grouping called Purple People Eaters.
No doubt the discussions on halal meat would prove lively.
Now be fair, cannibalistic Kippers make up barely 10% of the total membership. It does unfortunately explain why they lost all those seats in the locals.
Was it really only 12,915 votes cast in the UKIP election (according to BBC)? Has their membership fallen off a cliff or did a lot of them have leadership election fatigue?
A public information announcement for any Bladerunner fans on here.
Do not accidently read the Bladerunner 2049 review in the Daily Telegraph this afternoon. It is a brilliant review which gives me huge hope for the film but it is absolutely packed full of significant spoilers.
The reviewer gives it 5 stars and the headline is:
"Harrison Ford is extraordinary in the most spectacular, provocative blockbuster of our time"
Needless to say I can't wait to see it next week.
I won't post a link as it is easy to find if you don't mind the spoilers.
Oh and the same goes with varying degrees for the Guardian and Independent who both also give it 5 stars.
I will have to re-watch my 1982 version (Director's Cut!!) then. If any of you are in Manchester then the AMC Cinema on Deansgate (now an Odeon I think) is only £7 per ticket and I am going to Meerkat-movie it with friends.
He's a former Lib Dem candidate who stood against Phil Hammond in 2005, he switched to UKIP in 2014 because he wanted to be in a party where you could say what you thought.
Good back story - what did he get an OBE for
He was awarded the OBE in the 2013 New Year Honours "for services to international security and stabilisation" as Stabilisation Team Leader, Provincial Reconstruction Team, in Helmand Province, Afghanistan.
Good for him. Useful training for stabilising UKIP although I suspect he will find Al Qaeda easier to deal with.
He's a former Lib Dem candidate who stood against Phil Hammond in 2005, he switched to UKIP in 2014 because he wanted to be in a party where you could say what you thought.
Mr. kle4, gay Kippers could've had a nice slogan going: "Out and proud!"
Cannibalistic Kippers could form a grouping called Purple People Eaters.
No doubt the discussions on halal meat would prove lively.
Now be fair, cannibalistic Kippers make up barely 10% of the total membership. It does unfortunately explain why they lost all those seats in the locals.
Was it really only 12,915 votes cast in the UKIP election (according to BBC)? Has their membership fallen off a cliff or did a lot of them have leadership election fatigue?
A public information announcement for any Bladerunner fans on here.
Do not accidently read the Bladerunner 2049 review in the Daily Telegraph this afternoon. It is a brilliant review which gives me huge hope for the film but it is absolutely packed full of significant spoilers.
The reviewer gives it 5 stars and the headline is:
"Harrison Ford is extraordinary in the most spectacular, provocative blockbuster of our time"
Needless to say I can't wait to see it next week.
I won't post a link as it is easy to find if you don't mind the spoilers.
Oh and the same goes with varying degrees for the Guardian and Independent who both also give it 5 stars.
One of the guys on scifi forums I visit has seen it, his review was
'Creamed my boxers, this is going to win every Oscar going if there's any justice'
A public information announcement for any Bladerunner fans on here.
Do not accidently read the Bladerunner 2049 review in the Daily Telegraph this afternoon. It is a brilliant review which gives me huge hope for the film but it is absolutely packed full of significant spoilers.
The reviewer gives it 5 stars and the headline is:
"Harrison Ford is extraordinary in the most spectacular, provocative blockbuster of our time"
Needless to say I can't wait to see it next week.
I won't post a link as it is easy to find if you don't mind the spoilers.
Oh and the same goes with varying degrees for the Guardian and Independent who both also give it 5 stars.
I will have to re-watch my 1982 version (Director's Cut!!) then. If any of you are in Manchester then the AMC Cinema on Deansgate (now an Odeon I think) is only £7 per ticket and I am going to Meerkat-movie it with friends.
Go and see it at the old Odeon, which is now a Vue if you're a Manc, and see it in IMAX.
A public information announcement for any Bladerunner fans on here.
Do not accidently read the Bladerunner 2049 review in the Daily Telegraph this afternoon. It is a brilliant review which gives me huge hope for the film but it is absolutely packed full of significant spoilers.
The reviewer gives it 5 stars and the headline is:
"Harrison Ford is extraordinary in the most spectacular, provocative blockbuster of our time"
Needless to say I can't wait to see it next week.
I won't post a link as it is easy to find if you don't mind the spoilers.
Oh and the same goes with varying degrees for the Guardian and Independent who both also give it 5 stars.
One of the guys on scifi forums I visit has seen it, his review was
'Creamed my boxers, this is going to win every Oscar going if there's any justice'
He's a former Lib Dem candidate who stood against Phil Hammond in 2005, he switched to UKIP in 2014 because he wanted to be in a party where you could say what you thought.
Mr. kle4, gay Kippers could've had a nice slogan going: "Out and proud!"
Cannibalistic Kippers could form a grouping called Purple People Eaters.
No doubt the discussions on halal meat would prove lively.
Now be fair, cannibalistic Kippers make up barely 10% of the total membership. It does unfortunately explain why they lost all those seats in the locals.
Was it really only 12,915 votes cast in the UKIP election (according to BBC)? Has their membership fallen off a cliff or did a lot of them have leadership election fatigue?
The numbers did seem surprisingly small
I would be interested to know how many members like me have left once the referendum was won. UKIP was only ever a flag of convenience for pressurising the other parties into the vote.
Interesting vox pop on leavers on Channel 4 last night. Thoughtful if not especially happy bunch of people. The false premises behind the Leave campaign are going to unwind very painfully.
A public information announcement for any Bladerunner fans on here.
Do not accidently read the Bladerunner 2049 review in the Daily Telegraph this afternoon. It is a brilliant review which gives me huge hope for the film but it is absolutely packed full of significant spoilers.
The reviewer gives it 5 stars and the headline is:
"Harrison Ford is extraordinary in the most spectacular, provocative blockbuster of our time"
Needless to say I can't wait to see it next week.
I won't post a link as it is easy to find if you don't mind the spoilers.
Oh and the same goes with varying degrees for the Guardian and Independent who both also give it 5 stars.
One of the guys on scifi forums I visit has seen it, his review was
'Creamed my boxers, this is going to win every Oscar going if there's any justice'
A public information announcement for any Bladerunner fans on here.
Do not accidently read the Bladerunner 2049 review in the Daily Telegraph this afternoon. It is a brilliant review which gives me huge hope for the film but it is absolutely packed full of significant spoilers.
The reviewer gives it 5 stars and the headline is:
"Harrison Ford is extraordinary in the most spectacular, provocative blockbuster of our time"
Needless to say I can't wait to see it next week.
I won't post a link as it is easy to find if you don't mind the spoilers.
Oh and the same goes with varying degrees for the Guardian and Independent who both also give it 5 stars.
I will have to re-watch my 1982 version (Director's Cut!!) then. If any of you are in Manchester then the AMC Cinema on Deansgate (now an Odeon I think) is only £7 per ticket and I am going to Meerkat-movie it with friends.
Go and see it at the old Odeon, which is now a Vue if you're a Manc, and see it in IMAX.
Where is that? At the Printworks? It is 3D at the ex-AMC and IMAX at the Trafford Centre is £16 per seat
Mr. Tyndall, not into Bladerunner but I rather dislike news/reviews which are laden with unmarked spoilers. It's just obnoxious.
Mr. Meeks, if Bolton were a former American soldier he could be called Purple Heart.
The trailers shown at the cinema are often just as bad. Thankfully I have avoided seeing any for Bladerunner 2049 but then maybe there haven't been any (which could be an extreme case of the rule that the length of a trailer is inversely proprtional to the quality of the film).
A public information announcement for any Bladerunner fans on here.
Do not accidently read the Bladerunner 2049 review in the Daily Telegraph this afternoon. It is a brilliant review which gives me huge hope for the film but it is absolutely packed full of significant spoilers.
The reviewer gives it 5 stars and the headline is:
"Harrison Ford is extraordinary in the most spectacular, provocative blockbuster of our time"
Needless to say I can't wait to see it next week.
I won't post a link as it is easy to find if you don't mind the spoilers.
Oh and the same goes with varying degrees for the Guardian and Independent who both also give it 5 stars.
One of the guys on scifi forums I visit has seen it, his review was
'Creamed my boxers, this is going to win every Oscar going if there's any justice'
A public information announcement for any Bladerunner fans on here.
Do not accidently read the Bladerunner 2049 review in the Daily Telegraph this afternoon. It is a brilliant review which gives me huge hope for the film but it is absolutely packed full of significant spoilers.
The reviewer gives it 5 stars and the headline is:
"Harrison Ford is extraordinary in the most spectacular, provocative blockbuster of our time"
Needless to say I can't wait to see it next week.
I won't post a link as it is easy to find if you don't mind the spoilers.
Oh and the same goes with varying degrees for the Guardian and Independent who both also give it 5 stars.
I will have to re-watch my 1982 version (Director's Cut!!) then. If any of you are in Manchester then the AMC Cinema on Deansgate (now an Odeon I think) is only £7 per ticket and I am going to Meerkat-movie it with friends.
Go and see it at the old Odeon, which is now a Vue if you're a Manc, and see it in IMAX.
Where is that? At the Printworks? It is 3D at the ex-AMC and IMAX at the Trafford Centre is £16 per seat
Interesting vox pop on leavers on Channel 4 last night. Thoughtful if not especially happy bunch of people. The false premises behind the Leave campaign are going to unwind very painfully.
Dan Hannan his usual disingenuous self.
Wakefielders are a confused bunch politically - just ask @David_Herdson.
A public information announcement for any Bladerunner fans on here.
Do not accidently read the Bladerunner 2049 review in the Daily Telegraph this afternoon. It is a brilliant review which gives me huge hope for the film but it is absolutely packed full of significant spoilers.
The reviewer gives it 5 stars and the headline is:
"Harrison Ford is extraordinary in the most spectacular, provocative blockbuster of our time"
Needless to say I can't wait to see it next week.
I won't post a link as it is easy to find if you don't mind the spoilers.
Oh and the same goes with varying degrees for the Guardian and Independent who both also give it 5 stars.
I will have to re-watch my 1982 version (Director's Cut!!) then. If any of you are in Manchester then the AMC Cinema on Deansgate (now an Odeon I think) is only £7 per ticket and I am going to Meerkat-movie it with friends.
Go and see it at the old Odeon, which is now a Vue if you're a Manc, and see it in IMAX.
Where is that? At the Printworks? It is 3D at the ex-AMC and IMAX at the Trafford Centre is £16 per seat
Yup.
It is only 2D IMAX at the Printworks. Second rate stuff Mr Eagles!!!!! I am going to watch it in 3D for half the price!
We will get the Metro in, dodge past the lost-looking political groupies and followers, bob into the cinema and splurge on chocolates and icecream. Oh yeah!
A disappointingly sensible choice by UKIP! And yes there is a large LD-UKIP swing contingent out there. Not those wedded to EU issues (there's obviously no meeting of minds on policy) but for those looking for an anti-establishment, people before party approach and fed up with the big two, it's a surprisingly large group in my experience.
A public information announcement for any Bladerunner fans on here.
Do not accidently read the Bladerunner 2049 review in the Daily Telegraph this afternoon. It is a brilliant review which gives me huge hope for the film but it is absolutely packed full of significant spoilers.
The reviewer gives it 5 stars and the headline is:
"Harrison Ford is extraordinary in the most spectacular, provocative blockbuster of our time"
Needless to say I can't wait to see it next week.
I won't post a link as it is easy to find if you don't mind the spoilers.
Oh and the same goes with varying degrees for the Guardian and Independent who both also give it 5 stars.
I will have to re-watch my 1982 version (Director's Cut!!) then. If any of you are in Manchester then the AMC Cinema on Deansgate (now an Odeon I think) is only £7 per ticket and I am going to Meerkat-movie it with friends.
Go and see it at the old Odeon, which is now a Vue if you're a Manc, and see it in IMAX.
Where is that? At the Printworks? It is 3D at the ex-AMC and IMAX at the Trafford Centre is £16 per seat
Yup.
It is only 2D IMAX at the Printworks. Second rate stuff Mr Eagles!!!!! I am going to watch it in 3D for half the price!
I'm lucky I live near the best cinema in the country, we get 3D IMAX and 3D 4DX
A public information announcement for any Bladerunner fans on here.
Do not accidently read the Bladerunner 2049 review in the Daily Telegraph this afternoon. It is a brilliant review which gives me huge hope for the film but it is absolutely packed full of significant spoilers.
The reviewer gives it 5 stars and the headline is:
"Harrison Ford is extraordinary in the most spectacular, provocative blockbuster of our time"
Needless to say I can't wait to see it next week.
I won't post a link as it is easy to find if you don't mind the spoilers.
Oh and the same goes with varying degrees for the Guardian and Independent who both also give it 5 stars.
I will have to re-watch my 1982 version (Director's Cut!!) then. If any of you are in Manchester then the AMC Cinema on Deansgate (now an Odeon I think) is only £7 per ticket and I am going to Meerkat-movie it with friends.
Go and see it at the old Odeon, which is now a Vue if you're a Manc, and see it in IMAX.
Where is that? At the Printworks? It is 3D at the ex-AMC and IMAX at the Trafford Centre is £16 per seat
Yup.
It is only 2D IMAX at the Printworks. Second rate stuff Mr Eagles!!!!! I am going to watch it in 3D for half the price!
I'm lucky I live near the best cinema in the country, we get 3D IMAX and 3D 4DX
I just realised - it is out the week after the conference so I do not have to dodge the Tories and the Labour counter-protesters that would otherwise be involved in running street battles and spitting contests.
Interesting vox pop on leavers on Channel 4 last night. Thoughtful if not especially happy bunch of people. The false premises behind the Leave campaign are going to unwind very painfully.
Dan Hannan his usual disingenuous self.
Wakefielders are a confused bunch politically - just ask @David_Herdson.
The interesting thing is they are neither changing their minds on their vote, nor accepting things don't always work out as promised. Basically they are saying to the Leave politicians, you promised extra money for the NHS, more immigration from the Commonwealth, an easy transition to our own laws - what are you doing about it? Good on them, I say. If politicians campaign on taking back control, excuses on not doing stuff are not going to fly.
The ridiculous artificial privatised electricity 'market' we have now penalises those without the wherewithal to be switching supplier every year, diminishes our national productivity because of the effort wasted enouraging and administering switching, and in the main syphons off any profits abroad. A complete farce in pursuit of neoliberal dogma!
Evidence?
1. Some examples: my mother and my father-in-law are both in their 80s, neither have internet access and are consequently shut out of the route to the best deals. Both unsurprisingly are on standard rates subsidising the many of us who can and do switch. They are not untypical; very few of the more vulnerable in society will be working this particular system to good effect. If everybody was of course there would be no upside for those of who can and do switch regularly.
2. The administration of switching - the call-centres, web sites, advertising (oh and don't forget Ofgem!) - add nothing to the efficient production and delivery of electricity and indeed are an unnecessary overhead. As a result, operating costs are continuing to increase as a proportion of bills (see below). https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/data-portal/retail-market-indicators#thumbchart-c7770745751913637-n84514
So my question is, how has electricity privatisation and the creation of a 'market' helped the general UK population at large?
I agree with Ben on this. Electricity worked very well as a nationalised industry, with a national grid and then each region handling the local supplies.
Privatisation really was a triumph of ideology over benefit.
A public information announcement for any Bladerunner fans on here.
Do not accidently read the Bladerunner 2049 review in the Daily Telegraph this afternoon. It is a brilliant review which gives me huge hope for the film but it is absolutely packed full of significant spoilers.
The reviewer gives it 5 stars and the headline is:
"Harrison Ford is extraordinary in the most spectacular, provocative blockbuster of our time"
Needless to say I can't wait to see it next week.
I won't post a link as it is easy to find if you don't mind the spoilers.
Oh and the same goes with varying degrees for the Guardian and Independent who both also give it 5 stars.
I will have to re-watch my 1982 version (Director's Cut!!) then. If any of you are in Manchester then the AMC Cinema on Deansgate (now an Odeon I think) is only £7 per ticket and I am going to Meerkat-movie it with friends.
Haven't been around the site much recently.. is anyone organising a PB get together at CPC17 in Manchester? Is OGH going?
The interesting thing is they are neither changing their minds on their vote, nor accepting things don't always work out as promised. Basically they are saying to the Leave politicians, you promised extra money for the NHS, more immigration from the Commonwealth, an easy transition to our own laws - what are you doing about it? Good on them, I say. If politicians campaign on taking back control, excuses on not doing stuff are not going to fly.
Voters ain't gonna blame themselves for the consequences of their choices, that's for sure.
Interesting vox pop on leavers on Channel 4 last night. Thoughtful if not especially happy bunch of people. The false premises behind the Leave campaign are going to unwind very painfully.
Dan Hannan his usual disingenuous self.
Oh, and that's the other thing about Boris. He will never live down the £350m.
According to the Guardian, Peter Whittle came a surprise fifth place out of seven.
Henry Bolton 3894 - 29.9%
Anne-Marie Waters 2775 - 21.3%
David Kurten 2201 - 17%
John Rees- Evans 2021 - 15.6%
Peter Whittle 1413 - 10.9%
Jane Collins 566 - 4,4%
Dunno what no hoper Aidan Powlesland got.
I voted for Jane Collins, pleased Waters didn't win.
Yes I voted for her too, disappointed she did so badly, but also relieved AMW didn't win, I was all set to resign if she did and so was everyone on my committee where I'm secretary of UKIPs 7th largest branch. I hope this Henry Bolton can now provide a bit of stability.
The interesting thing is they are neither changing their minds on their vote, nor accepting things don't always work out as promised. Basically they are saying to the Leave politicians, you promised extra money for the NHS, more immigration from the Commonwealth, an easy transition to our own laws - what are you doing about it? Good on them, I say. If politicians campaign on taking back control, excuses on not doing stuff are not going to fly.
Voters ain't gonna blame themselves for the consequences of their choices, that's for sure.
1. Some examples: my mother and my father-in-law are both in their 80s, neither have internet access and are consequently shut out of the route to the best deals. Both unsurprisingly are on standard rates subsidising the many of us who can and do switch. They are not untypical; very few of the more vulnerable in society will be working this particular system to good effect. If everybody was of course there would be no upside for those of who can and do switch regularly.
So my question is, how has electricity privatisation and the creation of a 'market' helped the general UK population at large?
By reducing costs, increasing efficiency and improving customer service. Why else would the model have been copied so extensively across the world?
The only one of your points which has any merit is the first one, where I agree the model isn't working as well as it should. However, the regulator is addressing that.
As for the other points: of course the administration of switching adds something; it adds price competition. That's kinda the idea: competition drives down prices.
Why on earth does it matter who owns the various companies in our globalised world? Is it a disgrace that an element of US airline passenger's fares are being 'creamed off' to provide profits for Rolls Royce, or their medical costs are contributing to the profits of Astra Zeneca and GSK?
To be honest, it doesn't matter a damn, so long as they play by the rules. However, once we take back control from those "nasty foreigners" then the temptation will be for all utilities and media companies to be brought back under UK citizens and tax payer control.
Interesting vox pop on leavers on Channel 4 last night. Thoughtful if not especially happy bunch of people. The false premises behind the Leave campaign are going to unwind very painfully.
Dan Hannan his usual disingenuous self.
Wakefielders are a confused bunch politically - just ask @David_Herdson.
The interesting thing is they are neither changing their minds on their vote, nor accepting things don't always work out as promised. Basically they are saying to the Leave politicians, you promised extra money for the NHS, more immigration from the Commonwealth, an easy transition to our own laws - what are you doing about it? Good on them, I say. If politicians campaign on taking back control, excuses on not doing stuff are not going to fly.
Surely an end to "The EU says we have to do X" is one positive aspect of Brexit everyone can get behind?
Interesting vox pop on leavers on Channel 4 last night. Thoughtful if not especially happy bunch of people. The false premises behind the Leave campaign are going to unwind very painfully.
Dan Hannan his usual disingenuous self.
Wakefielders are a confused bunch politically - just ask @David_Herdson.
The interesting thing is they are neither changing their minds on their vote, nor accepting things don't always work out as promised. Basically they are saying to the Leave politicians, you promised extra money for the NHS, more immigration from the Commonwealth, an easy transition to our own laws - what are you doing about it? Good on them, I say. If politicians campaign on taking back control, excuses on not doing stuff are not going to fly.
Surely an end to "The EU says we have to do X" is one positive aspect of Brexit everyone can get behind?
Not really, there's thousands of busybodies in Whitehall and our town halls to fill the gap in telling us what to do left by the EU. The Khan edict on woodburners being a good example of a typical bit of EUery from a non EU source.
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He sent it to me to upload on to the PB server, and I was crying and bursting out laughing when I was reading it.
My reaction, no, he's making that up, no Alastair's fallen for a hoax, then I googled it, and they were all true.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41447568
2. The administration of switching - the call-centres, web sites, advertising (oh and don't forget Ofgem!) - add nothing to the efficient production and delivery of electricity and indeed are an unnecessary overhead. As a result, operating costs are continuing to increase as a proportion of bills (see below).
https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/data-portal/retail-market-indicators#thumbchart-c7770745751913637-n84514
3. Of the UK 'big six' energy companies, four are non-uk owned: EDF Energy (owned by French firm EDF), npower (owned by German firm innogy), E.ON UK (German-owned), Scottish Power (Spanish-owned); only British Gas and Scottish & Southern are UK owned. The following article highlights how the profits leave the UK.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/revealed-how-the-world-gets-rich-from-privatising-british-public-services-9874048.html
So my question is, how has electricity privatisation and the creation of a 'market' helped the general UK population at large?
Dr. Spyn, in medieval times, people were named 'of X' based on their birthplace. Hence, John of Gaunt undsoweiter.
Mind you he should keep Farage and Banks on board for now unlike Waters
If one of the other loonies won, then we'd have another another UKIP leadership race in a few months, which is great for PB/the betting angle.
There's only so many threads I can write about AV, we need some variety, His Excellency Professor Sir Paul Nuttal, MC, DSO, KCVO, provided that.
Boxes indeed checked and ticked.
Never heard of him and do not know anything about him but he seems rather bland
Do not accidently read the Bladerunner 2049 review in the Daily Telegraph this afternoon. It is a brilliant review which gives me huge hope for the film but it is absolutely packed full of significant spoilers.
The reviewer gives it 5 stars and the headline is:
"Harrison Ford is extraordinary in the most spectacular, provocative blockbuster of our time"
Needless to say I can't wait to see it next week.
I won't post a link as it is easy to find if you don't mind the spoilers.
Oh and the same goes with varying degrees for the Guardian and Independent who both also give it 5 stars.
He's got a lot of military medals and an OBE, he's going to be very hard to attack in the usual way people attacked Kippers
Both the birth on the train and today's result.
No doubt the discussions on halal meat would prove lively.
The only one of your points which has any merit is the first one, where I agree the model isn't working as well as it should. However, the regulator is addressing that.
As for the other points: of course the administration of switching adds something; it adds price competition. That's kinda the idea: competition drives down prices.
Why on earth does it matter who owns the various companies in our globalised world? Is it a disgrace that an element of US airline passenger's fares are being 'creamed off' to provide profits for Rolls Royce, or their medical costs are contributing to the profits of Astra Zeneca and GSK?
'Creamed my boxers, this is going to win every Oscar going if there's any justice'
https://order-order.com/2017/09/29/10-things-know-henry-bolton/
Is there a book on when Waters will be kicked out?
Seems like a nice chap by the way, way better than one or two of the alternatives.
He says left-wing extremists like Antifa are as bad as the BNP and EDL
5..4..3..2..1..useful suspects stated comparing those views to Trump.
Great minds....
That will resonate
Mr. Meeks, if Bolton were a former American soldier he could be called Purple Heart.
He would have been known as Gay donkey raped my horse man in all PB thread headers.
http://www.tested.com/art/movies/786869-blade-runner-2049-spoilerfree-cast-still-untitled-adam-savage-project-92617/
I much prefer the Lee Nelson gag about doing a Posh & Becks and naming his son Stairwell.
Dan Hannan his usual disingenuous self.
Edit - Actually it was twice, but the second time was the fault of the pollster.
We will get the Metro in, dodge past the lost-looking political groupies and followers, bob into the cinema and splurge on chocolates and icecream. Oh yeah!
Edited extra bit: sounds like that should be pronounced 'Bonn-ey'
'Like getting your girlfriend pregnant on your pull out sofa there's a great sense of irony about...'
I wonder if I can begin a PB header like that.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41446697
According to the Guardian, Peter Whittle came a surprise fifth place out of seven.
Edit - Oh it says now that it has been occurring in other locations, such as hotels.
I highly doubt the Cubans have developed some highly sophisticated sonic weaponry. The Russians could I guess.
I agree with Ben on this. Electricity worked very well as a nationalised industry, with a national grid and then each region handling the local supplies.
Privatisation really was a triumph of ideology over benefit.
In the meantime, I will get my hat and coat
Anne-Marie Waters 2775 - 21.3%
David Kurten 2201 - 17%
John Rees- Evans 2021 - 15.6%
Peter Whittle 1413 - 10.9%
Jane Collins 566 - 4,4%
Dunno what no hoper Aidan Powlesland got.
https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/09/15/2126226/mystery-of-sonic-weapon-attacks-at-us-embassy-in-cuba-deepens
I hope this Henry Bolton can now provide a bit of stability.
However, it can't be denied Putin has increased his country's prestige and power on the global stage. Not that that legitimises a dubious tactic.