May unlike IDS is a sitting prime minister, who even though she lost her majority, won the election.
Nobody actually 'won' the election. Had the DUP been inclined to support Labour - as might have been the case were Milliband still the leader - Theresa May would not be PM despite being leader of the largest party at Westminster.
DUP + Lab with 272 seats ?
How does that work lol.
DUP + Lab +LD + SNP +PLaid +Grn = 324
The DUP is pro grammar school, pro Brexit, anti gay marriage, anti abortion, pro death penalty, non Socialist and Unionist, exactly what does it have in common with Corbyn Labour given on most issues it is to the right of the Tories?
LOL.
The DUP are only waiting til their cheque comes through, then we'll see how long they stay as loyal Tory lobby fodder.
Boris has lost my support having been unsure until now. Loyalty is needed but his selfish postering at a time when the party needs to come behind May is astonishing. I believe he has lost any chance of making leader.
I will vote for anyone else
To be fair I don't think you were ever his greatest fan and as a Remainer a minority in both the Tory Party and the country as a whole.
I am in the same position having also voted Remain but I would vote for Boris unless and until another Tory starts showing he can really challenge Corbyn in the polls
Loyalty is very precious commodity and he has only a selfish interest in himself. He has done immense damage to his ambitions with his posturing. He has lost me
I don't think he has been that disloyal to May considering she told the House of Commons Boris 'could be put down like a dog' when she was riding high in the polls.
He led the Leave campaign and is simply ensuring the transition period does not become permanent, nothing he has said on it ie a two year maximum transition has directly contradicted what May has said and he was loyal to her when she lost her majority after the general election when he could have tried to topple her. May even shouted in triumph when she received a supportive text from Boris in the early hours of election night
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
The part insulting the Buddha is probably particularly inappropriate for the holiest Bhuddist site in Yangon.
The Poem is about the flotilla on the Irawaddy that conquered independent Burma in the third Anglo Burmese war.
I'm no Boris fan, and I'm with @Charles that Mrs May should sack him for disloyalty.
But not for this load of hand-wringing tripe.
The Burmese government are currently suspected of genocide. And we worry about reciting, under breath, a century old poem by Kippers?
The West needs to develop a backbone, and fast.
Agreed that is irrelevant. His posturing, selfishness, and timing is crass and ends any interest I had in supporting him. I hope Theresa does a reshuffle and demotes him, take it or leave it
May unlike IDS is a sitting prime minister, who even though she lost her majority, won the election.
Nobody actually 'won' the election. Had the DUP been inclined to support Labour - as might have been the case were Milliband still the leader - Theresa May would not be PM despite being leader of the largest party at Westminster.
DUP + Lab with 272 seats ?
How does that work lol.
DUP + Lab +LD + SNP +PLaid +Grn = 324
The DUP is pro grammar school, pro Brexit, anti gay marriage, anti abortion, pro death penalty, non Socialist and Unionist, exactly what does it have in common with Corbyn Labour given on most issues it is to the right of the Tories?
LOL.
The DUP are only waiting til their cheque comes through, then we'll see how long they stay as loyal Tory lobby fodder.
You do know that the ‘cheque’ is for the Northern Ireland Assembly, rather than DUP party funds? And it doesn’t arrive until everyone in NI can agree how to form said Assembly.
May unlike IDS is a sitting prime minister, who even though she lost her majority, won the election.
Nobody actually 'won' the election. Had the DUP been inclined to support Labour - as might have been the case were Milliband still the leader - Theresa May would not be PM despite being leader of the largest party at Westminster.
DUP + Lab with 272 seats ?
How does that work lol.
DUP + Lab +LD + SNP +PLaid +Grn = 324
The DUP is pro grammar school, pro Brexit, anti gay marriage, anti abortion, pro death penalty, non Socialist and Unionist, exactly what does it have in common with Corbyn Labour given on most issues it is to the right of the Tories?
LOL.
The DUP are only waiting til their cheque comes through, then we'll see how long they stay as loyal Tory lobby fodder.
The DUP have got their cheque and signed on the dotted line for it, if Corbyn bids them an even higher cheque he would be a laughing stock
Boris has lost my support having been unsure until now. Loyalty is needed but his selfish postering at a time when the party needs to come behind May is astonishing. I believe he has lost any chance of making leader.
I will vote for anyone else
To be fair I don't think you were ever his greatest fan and as a Remainer a minority in both the Tory Party and the country as a whole.
I am in the same position having also voted Remain but I would vote for Boris unless and until another Tory starts showing he can really challenge Corbyn in the polls
Loyalty is very precious commodity and he has only a selfish interest in himself. He has done immense damage to his ambitions with his posturing. He has lost me
I don't think he has been that disloyal to May considering she told the House of Commons Boris 'could be put down like a dog' when she was riding high in the polls.
He led the Leave campaign and is simply ensuring the transition period does not become permanent, nothing he has said on it ie a two year maximum transition has directly contradicted what May has said and he was loyal to her when she lost her majority after the general election when he could have tried to topple her. May even shouted in triumph when she received a supportive text from Boris in the early hours of election night
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
The part insulting the Buddha is probably particularly inappropriate for the holiest Bhuddist site in Yangon.
The Poem is about the flotilla on the Irawaddy that conquered independent Burma in the third Anglo Burmese war.
I take very seriously protestations about Buddhism from people who can spell the word. The Buddha is not insulted: the poem is a monologue in the mouth of a naive and poorly educated Londoner and is about the impression made on him by the natural beauty and unfamiliar culture of Burma.
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
The part insulting the Buddha is probably particularly inappropriate for the holiest Bhuddist site in Yangon.
The Poem is about the flotilla on the Irawaddy that conquered independent Burma in the third Anglo Burmese war.
I'm no Boris fan, and I'm with @Charles that Mrs May should sack him for disloyalty.
But not for this load of hand-wringing tripe.
The Burmese government are currently suspected of genocide. And we worry about reciting, under breath, a century old poem by Kippers?
The West needs to develop a backbone, and fast.
Sure the Burmese are currently doing ethnic cleansing, but this incident was before the current troubles. Burma has potential to economically catch up with the rest of SE Asia, so matters to an outward looking nation. The president has a British husband and education.
Mostly the incident just shows Boris's spectacularly bad judgement. He likes to show off his education, and Kipling is a great writer. This was an inappropriate place to show off.
I wonder if Boris is planning to resign on the morning of Theresa's speech. He can give an excoriating press conference in which he calls Theresa a Remain lickspittle who will almost certainly lose to Jezza and state that he is the Tories' only salvation. It would destroy Theresa's premiership and make great drama. Surely all these articles and interviews undermining Theresa at every opportunity are leading somewhere.
Boris is toxic to a Tory Remainer like me. I'd vote IDS before him now.... and I'd sooner cheer on Chelsea than do that.
I am a converted remainer but agree, Boris has gone too far
As I am not a Tory party member Boris is neither toxic nor sweet to me. However even though he was a Brexiteer I certainly do not think he is fit to be PM. He makes far too many mistakes, appears to flit back and forth between positions of principle until you realise he has no principle and is by all accounts, too lazy to actually master any brief.
How any one could ever think that such an individual is fit to be PM is beyond me.
That description also suits Corbyn multiplied by ten.
I genuinely can't say although on reflection I think I disagree with you. I have no idea if he is lazy but I do believe he is principled. I just believe those principles are utterly warped and have no place in a modern western society.
Neither Boris nor Corbyn are fit to be PM.
Absolutely! However Boris would cream Corbyn! Despite Mr Johnson's questionable moral compass it would be seen by the red-top press as a straight fight between good and evil.
And how influential do you think the red-tops are these days? You could put Adolf up against Corbyn and they'd still not opt for Jezza (well the DM certainly wouldn't!), so I really don't think their view on Boris versus Corbyn is significant.
The Daily Mirror was pro-facist in the 1930s, and now supports Jeremy Corbyn.
If I were feeling malicious I would say in the light of the last fortnight that it clearly hasn't changed much!
Boris has lost my support having been unsure until now. Loyalty is needed but his selfish postering at a time when the party needs to come behind May is astonishing. I believe he has lost any chance of making leader.
I will vote for anyone else
To be fair I don't think you were ever his greatest fan and as a Remainer a minority in both the Tory Party and the country as a whole.
I am in the same position having also voted Remain but I would vote for Boris unless and until another Tory starts showing he can really challenge Corbyn in the polls
Loyalty is very precious commodity and he has only a selfish interest in himself. He has done immense damage to his ambitions with his posturing. He has lost me
I don't think he has been that disloyal to May considering she told the House of Commons Boris 'could be put down like a dog' when she was riding high in the polls.
He led the Leave campaign and is simply ensuring the transition period does not become permanent, nothing he has said on it ie a two year maximum transition has directly contradicted what May has said and he was loyal to her when she lost her majority after the general election when he could have tried to topple her. May even shouted in triumph when she received a supportive text from Boris in the early hours of election night
You are very loyal and I respect you for it
Thankyou, in my ideal world May would lead until mid 2019 and then step down and Boris would succeed her but a long way to go first and we will see if any other talents emerge
Though the only big importers are in descending order, UK, Germany, Sweden and Belgium. UK looks about 25% of the immigrant Doctors. Worth noting that some countries like Greece produce far more Doctors than they have work for.
Genuinely puzzled. If Greece can over-produce doctors, why can't we?
The UK has much greater heritage & distinguished history in medical science than Greece.
I wonder if Boris is planning to resign on the morning of Theresa's speech. He can give an excoriating press conference in which he calls Theresa a Remain lickspittle who will almost certainly lose to Jezza and state that he is the Tories' only salvation. It would destroy Theresa's premiership and make great drama. Surely all these articles and interviews undermining Theresa at every opportunity are leading somewhere.
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
The part insulting the Buddha is probably particularly inappropriate for the holiest Bhuddist site in Yangon.
The Poem is about the flotilla on the Irawaddy that conquered independent Burma in the third Anglo Burmese war.
I take very seriously protestations about Buddhism from people who can spell the word. The Buddha is not insulted: the poem is a monologue in the mouth of a naive and poorly educated Londoner and is about the impression made on him by the natural beauty and unfamiliar culture of Burma.
Stick to medicine.
I am a Christian, not a Buddhist, but this is pretty insulting:
"An' a-wastin' Christian kisses on an 'eathen idol's foot: Bloomin' idol made o' mud Wot they called the Great Gawd Budd Plucky lot she cared for idols when I kissed 'er where she stud! On the road to Mandalay"
An' eathen idol's foot. Blooming Idol made o' mud.
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
The part insulting the Buddha is probably particularly inappropriate for the holiest Bhuddist site in Yangon.
The Poem is about the flotilla on the Irawaddy that conquered independent Burma in the third Anglo Burmese war.
I take very seriously protestations about Buddhism from people who can spell the word. The Buddha is not insulted: the poem is a monologue in the mouth of a naive and poorly educated Londoner and is about the impression made on him by the natural beauty and unfamiliar culture of Burma.
Stick to medicine.
I am a Christian, not a Buddhist, but this is pretty insulting:
"An' a-wastin' Christian kisses on an 'eathen idol's foot: Bloomin' idol made o' mud Wot they called the Great Gawd Budd Plucky lot she cared for idols when I kissed 'er where she stud! On the road to Mandalay"
An' eathen idol's foot. Blooming Idol made o' mud.
And not a literary critic. As I say, stick to medicine.
Boris has lost my support having been unsure until now. Loyalty is needed but his selfish postering at a time when the party needs to come behind May is astonishing. I believe he has lost any chance of making leader.
I will vote for anyone else
To be fair I don't think you were ever his greatest fan and as a Remainer a minority in both the Tory Party and the country as a whole.
I am in the same position having also voted Remain but I would vote for Boris unless and until another Tory starts showing he can really challenge Corbyn in the polls
Loyalty is very precious commodity and he has only a selfish interest in himself. He has done immense damage to his ambitions with his posturing. He has lost me
I don't think he has been that disloyal to May considering she told the House of Commons Boris 'could be put down like a dog' when she was riding high in the polls.
He led the Leave campaign and is simply ensuring the transition period does not become permanent, nothing he has said on it ie a two year maximum transition has directly contradicted what May has said and he was loyal to her when she lost her majority after the general election when he could have tried to topple her. May even shouted in triumph when she received a supportive text from Boris in the early hours of election night
You are very loyal and I respect you for it
Thankyou, in my ideal world May would lead until mid 2019 and then step down and Boris would succeed her but a long way to go first and we will see if any other talents emerge
We are on the same page re Theresa. Her successor will emerge in time but Boris is acting like the fool he can be
Boris is toxic to a Tory Remainer like me. I'd vote IDS before him now.... and I'd sooner cheer on Chelsea than do that.
I am a converted remainer but agree, Boris has gone too far
As I am not a Tory party member Boris is neither toxic nor sweet to me. However even though he was a Brexiteer I certainly do not think he is fit to be PM. He makes far too many mistakes, appears to flit back and forth between positions of principle until you realise he has no principle and is by all accounts, too lazy to actually master any brief.
How any one could ever think that such an individual is fit to be PM is beyond me.
That description also suits Corbyn multiplied by ten.
I genuinely can't say although on reflection I think I disagree with you. I have no idea if he is lazy but I do believe he is principled. I just believe those principles are utterly warped and have no place in a modern western society.
Neither Boris nor Corbyn are fit to be PM.
Absolutely! However Boris would cream Corbyn! Despite Mr Johnson's questionable moral compass it would be seen by the red-top press as a straight fight between good and evil.
And how influential do you think the red-tops are these days? You could put Adolf up against Corbyn and they'd still not opt for Jezza (well the DM certainly wouldn't!), so I really don't think their view on Boris versus Corbyn is significant.
Boris versus Jazza would be our Hillary versus Donald.
It would be genuinely unpredictable as huge swathes of the population would be voting negatively, either to keep Boris out or to keep Jazza out.
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
The part insulting the Buddha is probably particularly inappropriate for the holiest Bhuddist site in Yangon.
The Poem is about the flotilla on the Irawaddy that conquered independent Burma in the third Anglo Burmese war.
I'm no Boris fan, and I'm with @Charles that Mrs May should sack him for disloyalty.
But not for this load of hand-wringing tripe.
The Burmese government are currently suspected of genocide. And we worry about reciting, under breath, a century old poem by Kippers?
The West needs to develop a backbone, and fast.
Sure the Burmese are currently doing ethnic cleansing, but this incident was before the current troubles. Burma has potential to economically catch up with the rest of SE Asia, so matters to an outward looking nation. The president has a British husband and education.
Mostly the incident just shows Boris's spectacularly bad judgement. He likes to show off his education, and Kipling is a great writer. This was an inappropriate place to show off.
If he recites Kipling at conference what would it be? A rather pointed rendition of the last lines of The Young British Soldier, while staring hard at Theresa May? That at least might get him the sack!
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
The part insulting the Buddha is probably particularly inappropriate for the holiest Bhuddist site in Yangon.
The Poem is about the flotilla on the Irawaddy that conquered independent Burma in the third Anglo Burmese war.
I'm no Boris fan, and I'm with @Charles that Mrs May should sack him for disloyalty.
But not for this load of hand-wringing tripe.
The Burmese government are currently suspected of genocide. And we worry about reciting, under breath, a century old poem by Kippers?
The West needs to develop a backbone, and fast.
Sure the Burmese are currently doing ethnic cleansing, but this incident was before the current troubles. Burma has potential to economically catch up with the rest of SE Asia, so matters to an outward looking nation. The president has a British husband and education.
Mostly the incident just shows Boris's spectacularly bad judgement. He likes to show off his education, and Kipling is a great writer. This was an inappropriate place to show off.
If he recites Kipling at conference what would it be? A rather pointed rendition of the last lines of The Young British Soldier, while staring hard at Theresa May? That at least might get him the sack!
If Boris did defenestrate May pre-brexit, he'd need to go to the country ASAP, IMO.
His majority would rely on the ~2m leave voters who didn't turn out in 2017 + he'd need a convincing retail offer for the anti-boris tories not to sit on their hands. That probably involves fully ditching austerity. Corbynite economics for the tory client vote.
I wonder if part of the reason Gove stabbed Boris in the front was the realization that being Boris's CoE would be an impossible job?
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
The part insulting the Buddha is probably particularly inappropriate for the holiest Bhuddist site in Yangon.
The Poem is about the flotilla on the Irawaddy that conquered independent Burma in the third Anglo Burmese war.
I'm no Boris fan, and I'm with @Charles that Mrs May should sack him for disloyalty.
But not for this load of hand-wringing tripe.
The Burmese government are currently suspected of genocide. And we worry about reciting, under breath, a century old poem by Kippers?
The West needs to develop a backbone, and fast.
Sure the Burmese are currently doing ethnic cleansing, but this incident was before the current troubles. Burma has potential to economically catch up with the rest of SE Asia, so matters to an outward looking nation. The president has a British husband and education.
Mostly the incident just shows Boris's spectacularly bad judgement. He likes to show off his education, and Kipling is a great writer. This was an inappropriate place to show off.
If he recites Kipling at conference what would it be? A rather pointed rendition of the last lines of The Young British Soldier, while staring hard at Theresa May? That at least might get him the sack!
It has to be "A Dead Statesman"
I could not dig; I dared not rob: Therefore I lied to please the mob. Now all my lies are proved untrue And I must face the men I slew. What tale shall serve me here among Mine angry and defrauded young?
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
The part insulting the Buddha is probably particularly inappropriate for the holiest Bhuddist site in Yangon.
The Poem is about the flotilla on the Irawaddy that conquered independent Burma in the third Anglo Burmese war.
I'm no Boris fan, and I'm with @Charles that Mrs May should sack him for disloyalty.
But not for this load of hand-wringing tripe.
The Burmese government are currently suspected of genocide. And we worry about reciting, under breath, a century old poem by Kippers?
The West needs to develop a backbone, and fast.
Sure the Burmese are currently doing ethnic cleansing, but this incident was before the current troubles. Burma has potential to economically catch up with the rest of SE Asia, so matters to an outward looking nation. The president has a British husband and education.
Mostly the incident just shows Boris's spectacularly bad judgement. He likes to show off his education, and Kipling is a great writer. This was an inappropriate place to show off.
The idiot of the piece is the ambassador, who is not bright enough to realise the unwisdom of saying "Don't say that on camera", on camera. But for him no one would have taken any notice in a million years.
I wonder if Boris is planning to resign on the morning of Theresa's speech. He can give an excoriating press conference in which he calls Theresa a Remain lickspittle who will almost certainly lose to Jezza and state that he is the Tories' only salvation. It would destroy Theresa's premiership and make great drama. Surely all these articles and interviews undermining Theresa at every opportunity are leading somewhere.
If he does that he’ll find himself without the Tory whip faster than he can possibly imagine, and sod the Parliamentary arithmetic. He’ll also unite everyone else behind the PM with such crass stupidity.
If Boris did defenestrate May pre-brexit, he'd need to go to the country ASAP, IMO.
His majority would rely on the ~2m leave voters who didn't turn out in 2017 + he'd need a convincing retail offer for the anti-boris tories not to sit on their hands. That probably involves fully ditching austerity. Corbynite economics for the tory client vote.
I wonder if part of the reason Gove stabbed Boris in the front was the realization that being Boris's CoE would be an impossible job?
Boris has indicated he backs public sector pay rises as well as a 2 year maximum transition period and he also opposed the dementia tax even before the general election (or heavily hinted at opposing it). His campaign would be a very different one from May's, a low tax, easing back on austerity, pro Brexit campaign, as opposed to her higher tax, evermore austerity, pro Brexit but mainly on anti immigration grounds having backed Remain campaign
If Boris did defenestrate May pre-brexit, he'd need to go to the country ASAP, IMO.
His majority would rely on the ~2m leave voters who didn't turn out in 2017 + he'd need a convincing retail offer for the anti-boris tories not to sit on their hands. That probably involves fully ditching austerity. Corbynite economics for the tory client vote.
I wonder if part of the reason Gove stabbed Boris in the front was the realization that being Boris's CoE would be an impossible job?
Boris cannot single handed bring about a GE. Indeed he would have to go to a leader ballot and it is more than possible he would not even be in the last two sent to the members for their decision
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
The part insulting the Buddha is probably particularly inappropriate for the holiest Bhuddist site in Yangon.
The Poem is about the flotilla on the Irawaddy that conquered independent Burma in the third Anglo Burmese war.
I take very seriously protestations about Buddhism from people who can spell the word. The Buddha is not insulted: the poem is a monologue in the mouth of a naive and poorly educated Londoner and is about the impression made on him by the natural beauty and unfamiliar culture of Burma.
Stick to medicine.
I am a Christian, not a Buddhist, but this is pretty insulting:
"An' a-wastin' Christian kisses on an 'eathen idol's foot: Bloomin' idol made o' mud Wot they called the Great Gawd Budd Plucky lot she cared for idols when I kissed 'er where she stud! On the road to Mandalay"
An' eathen idol's foot. Blooming Idol made o' mud.
It's just a bloody poem. And it's not as though the Burmese government could possibly genuinely care about being 'insulted' given the way they behave.
Boris can be a boor and he's an unprincipled knave, but one thing you'd think we'd have learned over the past few years is if you blow up over every tiny thing someone does, it nullifies the effect of complaining about the serious things they do that deserve criticism.
Boris has lost my support having been unsure until now. Loyalty is needed but his selfish postering at a time when the party needs to come behind May is astonishing. I believe he has lost any chance of making leader.
I will vote for anyone else
To be fair I don't think you were ever his greatest fan and as a Remainer a minority in both the Tory Party and the country as a whole.
I am in the same position having also voted Remain but I would vote for Boris unless and until another Tory starts showing he can really challenge Corbyn in the polls
Loyalty is very precious commodity and he has only a selfish interest in himself. He has done immense damage to his ambitions with his posturing. He has lost me
I don't think he has been that disloyal to May considering she told the House of Commons Boris 'could be put down like a dog' when she was riding high in the polls.
He led the Leave campaign and is simply ensuring the transition period does not become permanent, nothing he has said on it ie a two year maximum transition has directly contradicted what May has said and he was loyal to her when she lost her majority after the general election when he could have tried to topple her. May even shouted in triumph when she received a supportive text from Boris in the early hours of election night
You are very loyal and I respect you for it
Thankyou, in my ideal world May would lead until mid 2019 and then step down and Boris would succeed her but a long way to go first and we will see if any other talents emerge
We are on the same page re Theresa. Her successor will emerge in time but Boris is acting like the fool he can be
Show me a successor who polls well in time and I may be on the same page with you on that too, for now I am with Boris
The number of people attacking Boris! I guess he really is a threat to Labour.
Or possibly, a populist twat like Corbyn, albeit one with a brain. One of the two.
@YBarddCwsc and @williamglenn, I admire the way you came up with exactly the same poem from the opposite ends of the political divide! Rather suitable, but would he have the self-awareness to utter it?
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
I'm less interested in the poem than in his whole demeanour in that fooage. He just seems off somehow.
Though the only big importers are in descending order, UK, Germany, Sweden and Belgium. UK looks about 25% of the immigrant Doctors. Worth noting that some countries like Greece produce far more Doctors than they have work for.
Genuinely puzzled. If Greece can over-produce doctors, why can't we?
The UK has much greater heritage & distinguished history in medical science than Greece.
Greece has the most Doctors per capita than any other EU country. and a medical tradition including Hippocrates!
I have had this discussion with a number of Greek doctors. It seems that Greece has a good school system, excellent universities, but limited employment opportunities for graduates. There are few big private sector graduate employers in an economy without much manufacturing or financial services. There is the Civil Service and Military, but agriculture and tourism are not great employers of graduates. Medical School offers a graduate level career as well opportunity to work overseas. Greek doctors are valued particularly in USA, UK and Germany. Medicine is a career that travels well. A heart is a heart whichever country you are in.
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
The part insulting the Buddha is probably particularly inappropriate for the holiest Bhuddist site in Yangon.
The Poem is about the flotilla on the Irawaddy that conquered independent Burma in the third Anglo Burmese war.
I take very seriously protestations about Buddhism from people who can spell the word. The Buddha is not insulted: the poem is a monologue in the mouth of a naive and poorly educated Londoner and is about the impression made on him by the natural beauty and unfamiliar culture of Burma.
Stick to medicine.
I am a Christian, not a Buddhist, but this is pretty insulting:
"An' a-wastin' Christian kisses on an 'eathen idol's foot: Bloomin' idol made o' mud Wot they called the Great Gawd Budd Plucky lot she cared for idols when I kissed 'er where she stud! On the road to Mandalay"
An' eathen idol's foot. Blooming Idol made o' mud.
It's just a bloody poem. And it's not as though the Burmese government could possibly genuinely care about being 'insulted' given the way they behave.
Boris can be a boor and he's an unprincipled knave, but one thing you'd think we'd have learned over the past few years is if you blow up over every tiny thing someone does, it nullifies the effect of complaining about the serious things they do that deserve criticism.
No. You don't understand. Ch. 4 are insulted on behalf of the Burmese.
May unlike IDS is a sitting prime minister, who even though she lost her majority, won the election.
Nobody actually 'won' the election. Had the DUP been inclined to support Labour - as might have been the case were Milliband still the leader - Theresa May would not be PM despite being leader of the largest party at Westminster.
DUP + Lab with 272 seats ?
How does that work lol.
DUP + Lab +LD + SNP +PLaid +Grn = 324
The DUP is pro grammar school, pro Brexit, anti gay marriage, anti abortion, pro death penalty, non Socialist and Unionist, exactly what does it have in common with Corbyn Labour given on most issues it is to the right of the Tories?
LOL.
The DUP are only waiting til their cheque comes through, then we'll see how long they stay as loyal Tory lobby fodder.
Boris has lost my support having been unsure until now. Loyalty is needed but his selfish postering at a time when the party needs to come behind May is astonishing. I believe he has lost any chance of making leader.
I will vote for anyone else
To be fair I don't think you were ever his greatest fan and as a Remainer a minority in both the Tory Party and the country as a whole.
I am in the same position having also voted Remain but I would vote for Boris unless and until another Tory starts showing he can really challenge Corbyn in the polls
Loyalty is very precious commodity and he has only a selfish interest in himself. He has done immense damage to his ambitions with his posturing. He has lost me
I don't think he has been that disloyal to May considering she told the House of Commons Boris 'could be put down like a dog' when she was riding high in the polls.
He led the Leave campaign and is simply ensuring the transition period does not become permanent, nothing he has said on it ie a two year maximum transition has directly contradicted what May has said and he was loyal to her when she lost her majority after the general election when he could have tried to topple her. May even shouted in triumph when she received a supportive text from Boris in the early hours of election night
You are very loyal and I respect you for it
Thankyou, in my ideal world May would lead until mid 2019 and then step down and Boris would succeed her but a long way to go first and we will see if any other talents emerge
We are on the same page re Theresa. Her successor will emerge in time but Boris is acting like the fool he can be
Show me a successor who polls well in time and I may be on the same page with you on that too, for now I am with Boris
Lets hope whatever happens the party does not hand the keys to no 10 to Corbyn
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
The part insulting the Buddha is probably particularly inappropriate for the holiest Bhuddist site in Yangon.
The Poem is about the flotilla on the Irawaddy that conquered independent Burma in the third Anglo Burmese war.
I take very seriously protestations about Buddhism from people who can spell the word. The Buddha is not insulted: the poem is a monologue in the mouth of a naive and poorly educated Londoner and is about the impression made on him by the natural beauty and unfamiliar culture of Burma.
Stick to medicine.
I am a Christian, not a Buddhist, but this is pretty insulting:
"An' a-wastin' Christian kisses on an 'eathen idol's foot: Bloomin' idol made o' mud Wot they called the Great Gawd Budd Plucky lot she cared for idols when I kissed 'er where she stud! On the road to Mandalay"
An' eathen idol's foot. Blooming Idol made o' mud.
It's just a bloody poem. And it's not as though the Burmese government could possibly genuinely care about being 'insulted' given the way they behave.
Boris can be a boor and he's an unprincipled knave, but one thing you'd think we'd have learned over the past few years is if you blow up over every tiny thing someone does, it nullifies the effect of complaining about the serious things they do that deserve criticism.
No. You don't understand. Ch. 4 are insulted on behalf of the Burmese.
That's how it works these days.
It just strikes me as another in the vein of that stupid 'he mentioned alcohol in a sikh temple!' story. He puts his foot in it enough, even with the ambassador's comments making it more of a story we don't need to manufacture outrage.
May unlike IDS is a sitting prime minister, who even though she lost her majority, won the election.
Nobody actually 'won' the election. Had the DUP been inclined to support Labour - as might have been the case were Milliband still the leader - Theresa May would not be PM despite being leader of the largest party at Westminster.
DUP + Lab with 272 seats ?
How does that work lol.
DUP + Lab +LD + SNP +PLaid +Grn = 324
The DUP is pro grammar school, pro Brexit, anti gay marriage, anti abortion, pro death penalty, non Socialist and Unionist, exactly what does it have in common with Corbyn Labour given on most issues it is to the right of the Tories?
LOL.
The DUP are only waiting til their cheque comes through, then we'll see how long they stay as loyal Tory lobby fodder.
The EU are waiting for a £30 bn cheque.
Isn't it a shame from a punning point of view that Donald Tusk is a Pole not a Czech?
The number of people attacking Boris! I guess he really is a threat to Labour.
Boris did beat the Labour candidate twice in London, a largely Labour city, in the Mayoral elections of 2008 and 2012, something Steve Norris and Zac Goldsmith could not do. In fact not even David Cameron could win London in 2010 or 2015 let alone Theresa May in 2017. Boris then effectively beat Cameron in the EU Referendum across the UK as de facto leader of the Leave campaign while Cameron led the Remain campaign
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
I'm less interested in the poem than in his whole demeanour in that fooage. He just seems off somehow.
Physically he becomes increasingly unappealing, like a decomposing beached whale in a bad blond toupee. Another reason he needs to make his move now or not at all; he's not going to look any better in 2022.
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
The part insulting the Buddha is probably particularly inappropriate for the holiest Bhuddist site in Yangon.
The Poem is about the flotilla on the Irawaddy that conquered independent Burma in the third Anglo Burmese war.
I'm no Boris fan, and I'm with @Charles that Mrs May should sack him for disloyalty.
But not for this load of hand-wringing tripe.
The Burmese government are currently suspected of genocide. And we worry about reciting, under breath, a century old poem by Kippers?
The West needs to develop a backbone, and fast.
Sure the Burmese
Mostly the incident just shows Boris's spectacularly bad judgement. He likes to show off his education, and Kipling is a great writer. This was an inappropriate place to show off.
If he recites Kipling at conference what would it be? A rather pointed rendition of the last lines of The Young British Soldier, while staring hard at Theresa May? That at least might get him the sack!
It has to be "A Dead Statesman"
I could not dig; I dared not rob: Therefore I lied to please the mob. Now all my lies are proved untrue And I must face the men I slew. What tale shall serve me here among Mine angry and defrauded young?
Kipling was a pretty jingoistic Imperialist until his own son was killed on the Western Front in 1915.
After that, Kipling did still write favourably of the common soldier, but he took a much more nuanced and reflective attitude to the whole militaristic Imperial project.
His own guilt at inciting his young son to join up shows through in this poem. After all he inspired those statesmen.
Kipling was a pretty jingoistic Imperialist until his own son was killed on the Western Front in 1915.
After that, Kipling did still write favourably of the common soldier, but he took a much more nuanced and reflective attitude to the whole militaristic Imperial project.
A common misconception. Point us to a specific jingoistic, imperialist story or poem.
Boris has lost my support having been unsure until now. Loyalty is needed but his selfish postering at a time when the party needs to come behind May is astonishing. I believe he has lost any chance of making leader.
I will vote for anyone else
To be fair I don't think you were ever his greatest fan and as a Remainer a minority in both the Tory Party and the country as a whole.
I am in the same position having also voted Remain but I would vote for Boris unless and until another Tory starts showing he can really challenge Corbyn in the polls
Loyalty is very precious commodity and he has only a selfish interest in himself. He has done immense damage to his ambitions with his posturing. He has lost me
I don't think he has been that disloyal to May considering she told the House of Commons Boris 'could be put down like a dog' when she was riding high in the polls.
He led the Leave campaign and is simply ensuring the transition period does not become permanent, nothing he has said on it ie a two year maximum transition has directly contradicted what May has said and he was loyal to her when she lost her majority after the general election when he could have tried to topple her. May even shouted in triumph when she received a supportive text from Boris in the early hours of election night
You are very loyal and I respect you for it
Thankyou, in my ideal world May would lead until mid 2019 and then step down and Boris would succeed her but a long way to go first and we will see if any other talents emerge
We are on the same page re Theresa. Her successor will emerge in time but Boris is acting like the fool he can be
Show me a successor who polls well in time and I may be on the same page with you on that too, for now I am with Boris
Lets hope whatever happens the party does not hand the keys to no 10 to Corbyn
Because he actually gives people (especially the young) hope?
May unlike IDS is a sitting prime minister, who even though she lost her majority, won the election.
Nobody actually 'won' the election. Had the DUP been inclined to support Labour - as might have been the case were Milliband still the leader - Theresa May would not be PM despite being leader of the largest party at Westminster.
DUP + Lab with 272 seats ?
How does that work lol.
DUP + Lab +LD + SNP +PLaid +Grn = 324
The DUP is pro grammar school, pro Brexit, anti gay marriage, anti abortion, pro death penalty, non Socialist and Unionist, exactly what does it have in common with Corbyn Labour given on most issues it is to the right of the Tories?
LOL.
The DUP are only waiting til their cheque comes through, then we'll see how long they stay as loyal Tory lobby fodder.
The EU are waiting for a £30 bn cheque.
Isn't it a shame from a punning point of view that Donald Tusk is a Pole not a Czech?
"If Tusk wants our money in a bank vault, he can do a Pole vault!"
Boris has lost my support having been unsure until now. Loyalty is needed but his selfish postering at a time when the party needs to come behind May is astonishing. I believe he has lost any chance of making leader.
I will vote for anyone else
To be fair I don't think you were ever his greatest fan and as a Remainer a minority in both the Tory Party and the country as a whole.
I am in the same position having also voted Remain but I would vote for Boris unless and until another Tory starts showing he can really challenge Corbyn in the polls
Loyalty is very precious commodity and he has only a selfish interest in himself. He has done immense damage to his ambitions with his posturing. He has lost me
I don't think he has been that disloyal to May considering she told the House of Commons Boris 'could be put down like a dog' when she was riding high in the polls.
He led the Leave campaign and is simply ensuring the transition period does not become permanent, nothing he has said on it ie a two year maximum transition has directly contradicted what May has said and he was loyal to her when she lost her majority after the general election when he could have tried to topple her. May even shouted in triumph when she received a supportive text from Boris in the early hours of election night
You are very loyal and I respect you for it
Thankyou, in my ideal world May would lead until mid 2019 and then step down and Boris would succeed her but a long way to go first and we will see if any other talents emerge
We are on the same page re Theresa. Her successor will emerge in time but Boris is acting like the fool he can be
Show me a successor who polls well in time and I may be on the same page with you on that too, for now I am with Boris
Lets hope whatever happens the party does not hand the keys to no 10 to Corbyn
Because he actually gives people (especially the young) hope?
His marxist state control under the power of the unions including the RMT would eventually hurt the young as well as everyone else. He would be a national disaster
May unlike IDS is a sitting prime minister, who even though she lost her majority, won the election.
Nobody actually 'won' the election. Had the DUP been inclined to support Labour - as might have been the case were Milliband still the leader - Theresa May would not be PM despite being leader of the largest party at Westminster.
DUP + Lab with 272 seats ?
How does that work lol.
DUP + Lab +LD + SNP +PLaid +Grn = 324
A recipe for stable government if ever I heard one.
Still, it will allow for even more 'How much did X's support cost?' comments - I would advise the SNP to hold out for a lot more than a billion.
My real point is that the Opposition parties are well placed to block a snap election should they wish to do so. Of course, it is quite likely that Corbyn would relish the prospect of ab early election.
May unlike IDS is a sitting prime minister, who even though she lost her majority, won the election.
Nobody actually 'won' the election. Had the DUP been inclined to support Labour - as might have been the case were Milliband still the leader - Theresa May would not be PM despite being leader of the largest party at Westminster.
DUP + Lab with 272 seats ?
How does that work lol.
DUP + Lab +LD + SNP +PLaid +Grn = 324
The DUP is pro grammar school, pro Brexit, anti gay marriage, anti abortion, pro death penalty, non Socialist and Unionist, exactly what does it have in common with Corbyn Labour given on most issues it is to the right of the Tories?
LOL.
The DUP are only waiting til their cheque comes through, then we'll see how long they stay as loyal Tory lobby fodder.
The EU are waiting for a £30 bn cheque.
Isn't it a shame from a punning point of view that Donald Tusk is a Pole not a Czech?
"If Tusk wants our money in a bank vault, he can do a Pole vault!"
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
I'm less interested in the poem than in his whole demeanour in that fooage. He just seems off somehow.
Physically he becomes increasingly unappealing, like a decomposing beached whale in a bad blond toupee. Another reason he needs to make his move now or not at all; he's not going to look any better in 2022.
Boris will be 57 (nearly 58) in May 2022. He really ought to be going the blond equivalent of grey. He doesn't dye his hair, does he?
May unlike IDS is a sitting prime minister, who even though she lost her majority, won the election.
Nobody actually 'won' the election. Had the DUP been inclined to support Labour - as might have been the case were Milliband still the leader - Theresa May would not be PM despite being leader of the largest party at Westminster.
DUP + Lab with 272 seats ?
How does that work lol.
DUP + Lab +LD + SNP +PLaid +Grn = 324
A recipe for stable government if ever I heard one.
Still, it will allow for even more 'How much did X's support cost?' comments - I would advise the SNP to hold out for a lot more than a billion.
My real point is that the Opposition parties are well placed to block a snap election should they wish to do so. Of course, it is quite likely that Corbyn would relish the prospect of ab early election.
I imagine he would - a Tory party in its current state? His mouth will be watering at the prospect, no reason his campaign from last time would not work again, but better.
Boris Johnson is a disengenious lying tw*t. The sooner the Maybot gets rid of this moron, the better.
Can you explain why you need the abusive language. He is many things and even those of us who are members of the party have real concerns. Is this the new Corbyn gentler and kinder politics you espose
May unlike IDS is a sitting prime minister, who even though she lost her majority, won the election.
Nobody actually 'won' the election. Had the DUP been inclined to support Labour - as might have been the case were Milliband still the leader - Theresa May would not be PM despite being leader of the largest party at Westminster.
DUP + Lab with 272 seats ?
How does that work lol.
DUP + Lab +LD + SNP +PLaid +Grn = 324
The DUP is pro grammar school, pro Brexit, anti gay marriage, anti abortion, pro death penalty, non Socialist and Unionist, exactly what does it have in common with Corbyn Labour given on most issues it is to the right of the Tories?
LOL.
The DUP are only waiting til their cheque comes through, then we'll see how long they stay as loyal Tory lobby fodder.
The EU are waiting for a £30 bn cheque.
Isn't it a shame from a punning point of view that Donald Tusk is a Pole not a Czech?
"If Tusk wants our money in a bank vault, he can do a Pole vault!"
Boris has lost my support having been unsure until now. Loyalty is needed but his selfish postering at a time when the party needs to come behind May is astonishing. I believe he has lost any chance of making leader.
I will vote for anyone else
To be fair I don't think you were ever his greatest fan and as a Remainer a minority in both the Tory Party and the country as a whole.
I am in the same position having also voted Remain but I would vote for Boris unless and until another Tory starts showing he can really challenge Corbyn in the polls
Loyalty is very precious commodity and he has only a selfish interest in himself. He has done immense damage to his ambitions with his posturing. He has lost me
I don't think he has been that disloyal to May considering she told the House of Commons Boris 'could be put down like a dog' when she was riding high in the polls.
He led the Leaveght
You are very loyal and I respect you for it
Thankyou, in my ideal world May would lead until mid 2019 and then step down and Boris would succeed her but a long way to go first and we will see if any other talents emerge
We are on the same page re Theresa. Her successor will emerge in time but Boris is acting like the fool he can be
Show me a successor who polls well in time and I may be on the same page with you on that too, for now I am with Boris
Lets hope whatever happens the party does not hand the keys to no 10 to Corbyn
Because he actually gives people (especially the young) hope?
Giving them hope is only a good thing if he can deliver positive outcomes to match that hope (without just transferring a negative outcome to other people). Anyone can offer people hope.
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
I'm less interested in the poem than in his whole demeanour in that fooage. He just seems off somehow.
Physically he becomes increasingly unappealing, like a decomposing beached whale in a bad blond toupee. Another reason he needs to make his move now or not at all; he's not going to look any better in 2022.
He could always lose some weight and get himself a haircut.
I know PB is not representative, but it just feels significant that many Labour and Tory figures agree on not wanting Boris in post.
The problem is exactly those faults that make him popular - his rather odd sense of humour, his unkempt appearance, his bumbling persona and his inability to stick to the point for more than five seconds - are the exact things that rule him out as PM.
I'd pay good money to hear him give an after-dinner speech, but I would certainly not wish to see him running my country particularly not with nuclear war a possibility and the EU already playing silly buggers on negotiations.
Though the only big importers are in descending order, UK, Germany, Sweden and Belgium. UK looks about 25% of the immigrant Doctors. Worth noting that some countries like Greece produce far more Doctors than they have work for.
Genuinely puzzled. If Greece can over-produce doctors, why can't we?
The UK has much greater heritage & distinguished history in medical science than Greece.
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
I'm less interested in the poem than in his whole demeanour in that fooage. He just seems off somehow.
Physically he becomes increasingly unappealing, like a decomposing beached whale in a bad blond toupee. Another reason he needs to make his move now or not at all; he's not going to look any better in 2022.
When did we last have a really overweight PM ? Does Brown or Callaghan or Heath count ? Despite the fact that our world is full of overweight people, we have not had a seriously overweight PM like, say, Kohl in Germany.
I know PB is not representative, but it just feels significant that many Labour and Tory figures agree on not wanting Boris in post.
The problem is exactly those faults that make him popular - his rather odd sense of humour, his unkempt appearance, his bumbling persona and his inability to stick to the point for more than five seconds - are the exact things that rule him out as PM.
I'd pay good money to hear him give an after-dinner speech, but I would certainly not wish to see him running my country particularly not with nuclear war a possibility and the EU already playing silly buggers on negotiations.
I always felt being mayor was a very good fit for him - of national prominence, but limited in influence and also allowing, nay demanding, flexibility and a level of independence from the party line in order to win.
May unlike IDS is a sitting prime minister, who even though she lost her majority, won the election.
Nobody actually 'won' the election. Had the DUP been inclined to support Labour - as might have been the case were Milliband still the leader - Theresa May would not be PM despite being leader of the largest party at Westminster.
DUP + Lab with 272 seats ?
How does that work lol.
DUP + Lab +LD + SNP +PLaid +Grn = 324
The DUP is pro grammar school, pro Brexit, anti gay marriage, anti abortion, pro death penalty, non Socialist and Unionist, exactly what does it have in common with Corbyn Labour given on most issues it is to the right of the Tories?
LOL.
The DUP are only waiting til their cheque comes through, then we'll see how long they stay as loyal Tory lobby fodder.
The EU are waiting for a £30 bn cheque.
Isn't it a shame from a punning point of view that Donald Tusk is a Pole not a Czech?
"If Tusk wants our money in a bank vault, he can do a Pole vault!"
No? Ok I'll work on it.
You need to set the bar higher, I'm afraid
Was it a flop?
[subtle]
I think your point missed.
That wasn't subtle but it was all I could think of.
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
I'm less interested in the poem than in his whole demeanour in that fooage. He just seems off somehow.
Physically he becomes increasingly unappealing, like a decomposing beached whale in a bad blond toupee. Another reason he needs to make his move now or not at all; he's not going to look any better in 2022.
When did we last have a really overweight PM ? Does Brown or Callaghan or Heath count ? Despite the fact that our world is full of overweight people, we have not had a seriously overweight PM like, say, Kohl in Germany.
Call me Dave got pretty fatty fatty bum during his time in power.
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
I'm less interested in the poem than in his whole demeanour in that fooage. He just seems off somehow.
Physically he becomes increasingly unappealing, like a decomposing beached whale in a bad blond toupee. Another reason he needs to make his move now or not at all; he's not going to look any better in 2022.
When did we last have a really overweight PM ? Does Brown or Callaghan or Heath count ? Despite the fact that our world is full of overweight people, we have not had a seriously overweight PM like, say, Kohl in Germany.
Call me Dave got pretty fatty fatty bum during his time in power.
Boris Johnson is a disengenious lying tw*t. The sooner the Maybot gets rid of this moron, the better.
Can you explain why you need the abusive language. He is many things and even those of us who are members of the party have real concerns. Is this the new Corbyn gentler and kinder politics you espose
I remember I once edited Wikipedia to remove a reference to Daniel Pearce Jackson Bellend Hodges. I commented that the vandalism was presumably done by a follower of Corbyn's kinder, gentler politics.
However, you may observe I used exactly the same word of Boris that Murali did.
I know PB is not representative, but it just feels significant that many Labour and Tory figures agree on not wanting Boris in post.
It isn't when most of those who want him removed are either Labour supporters or Tory Remainers, Boris is the only Tory who increases the Tory voteshare above what May is currently polling with Survation
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
I'm less interested in the poem than in his whole demeanour in that fooage. He just seems off somehow.
Physically he becomes increasingly unappealing, like a decomposing beached whale in a bad blond toupee. Another reason he needs to make his move now or not at all; he's not going to look any better in 2022.
When did we last have a really overweight PM ? Does Brown or Callaghan or Heath count ? Despite the fact that our world is full of overweight people, we have not had a seriously overweight PM like, say, Kohl in Germany.
Walpole looks fairly fleshy in portraits. What I also know now, but didn't 10 minutes ago, is that he was at Eton. So Boris would conform to precedent.
Boris Johnson is a disengenious lying tw*t. The sooner the Maybot gets rid of this moron, the better.
Can you explain why you need the abusive language. He is many things and even those of us who are members of the party have real concerns. Is this the new Corbyn gentler and kinder politics you espose
I am no fan of Boris4PM but it is plain that many fear him.
Boris Johnson is a disengenious lying tw*t. The sooner the Maybot gets rid of this moron, the better.
Can you explain why you need the abusive language. He is many things and even those of us who are members of the party have real concerns. Is this the new Corbyn gentler and kinder politics you espose
I am no fan of Boris4PM but it is plain that many fear him.
That's what people said about Corbyn. Turns out they were right.
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
I'm less interested in the poem than in his whole demeanour in that fooage. He just seems off somehow.
Physically he becomes increasingly unappealing, like a decomposing beached whale in a bad blond toupee. Another reason he needs to make his move now or not at all; he's not going to look any better in 2022.
When did we last have a really overweight PM ? Does Brown or Callaghan or Heath count ? Despite the fact that our world is full of overweight people, we have not had a seriously overweight PM like, say, Kohl in Germany.
Boris has lost my support having been unsure until now. Loyalty is needed but his selfish postering at a time when the party needs to come behind May is astonishing. I believe he has lost any chance of making leader.
I will vote for anyone else
To be fair I don't think you were ever his greatest fan and as a Remainer a minority in both the Tory Party and the country as a whole.
I am in the same position having also voted Remain but I would vote for Boris unless and until another Tory starts showing he can really challenge Corbyn in the polls
Loyalty is very precious commodity and he has only a selfish interest in himself. He has done immense damage to his ambitions with his posturing. He has lost me
I don't think he has been that disloyal to May considering she told the House of Commons Boris 'could be put down like a dog' when she was riding high in the polls.
He led the Leave campaign and is simply ensuring the transition period does not become permanent, nothing he has said on it ie a two year maximum transition has directly contradicted what May has said and he was loyal to her when she lost her majority after the general election when he could have tried to topple her. May even shouted in triumph when she received a supportive text from Boris in the early hours of election night
You are very loyal and I respect you for it
Thankyou, in my ideal world May would lead until mid 2019 and then step down and Boris would succeed her but a long way to go first and we will see if any other talents emerge
We are on the same page re Theresa. Her successor will emerge in time but Boris is acting like the fool he can be
Show me a successor who polls well in time and I may be on the same page with you on that too, for now I am with Boris
Lets hope whatever happens the party does not hand the keys to no 10 to Corbyn
To ensure that it would help to have a leader the voters actually like
Kipling was a pretty jingoistic Imperialist until his own son was killed on the Western Front in 1915.
After that, Kipling did still write favourably of the common soldier, but he took a much more nuanced and reflective attitude to the whole militaristic Imperial project.
A common misconception. Point us to a specific jingoistic, imperialist story or poem.
I rather like Kipling, and have read many of his works. I prefer the short stories such as "Plain tales from the Hills" to the poetry, but his works are very much of their time.
His stories and poems were very popular in their day, and demonstrate the predjudices and assumptions of the times. The common soldiers are salt of the earth, Britons are struggling with the White Mans Burden of civilising the natives, either child like or heathen or both.
There is a reason why he fell out of fashion despite being a very accomplished writer. My view of Kipling is not too far from Orwell's essay:
Orwell spent his formative early adult years in the Burmese police. His book "Burmese Days" is a very interesting tale of how Imperialism degrades both oppressor and oppressed, something that we still see in Burma and elsewhere such as the Middle East.
When did we last have a really overweight PM ? Does Brown or Callaghan or Heath count ? Despite the fact that our world is full of overweight people, we have not had a seriously overweight PM like, say, Kohl in Germany.
Jeremy Corbyn on the other hand is pretty dapper for a seventy year old. As Roger points out he's comfortable with his tailoring these days.
Kipling was a pretty jingoistic Imperialist until his own son was killed on the Western Front in 1915.
After that, Kipling did still write favourably of the common soldier, but he took a much more nuanced and reflective attitude to the whole militaristic Imperial project.
A common misconception. Point us to a specific jingoistic, imperialist story or poem.
I rather like Kipling, and have read many of his works. I prefer the short stories such as "Plain tales from the Hills" to the poetry, but his works are very much of their time.
His stories and poems were very popular in their day, and demonstrate the predjudices and assumptions of the times. The common soldiers are salt of the earth, Britons are struggling with the White Mans Burden of civilising the natives, either child like or heathen or both.
There is a reason why he fell out of fashion despite being a very accomplished writer. My view of Kipling is not too far from Orwell's essay:
Orwell spent his formative early adult years in the Burmese police. His book "Burmese Days" is a very interesting tale of how Imperialism degrades both oppressor and oppressed, something that we still see in Burma and elsewhere such as the Middle East.
The King's Ankus is in my view a remarkable literary achievement - a very imaginative retelling of the Pardoner's Tale.
When did we last have a really overweight PM ? Does Brown or Callaghan or Heath count ? Despite the fact that our world is full of overweight people, we have not had a seriously overweight PM like, say, Kohl in Germany.
Jeremy Corbyn on the other hand is pretty dapper for a seventy year old. As Roger points out he's comfortable with his tailoring these days.
Corbyn (finally) following Cameron's advice to dress smarter, doesn't make Corbyn's policies any the less crazy.
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
I'm less interested in the poem than in his whole demeanour in that fooage. He just seems off somehow.
Physically he becomes increasingly unappealing, like a decomposing beached whale in a bad blond toupee. Another reason he needs to make his move now or not at all; he's not going to look any better in 2022.
Boris will be 57 (nearly 58) in May 2022. He really ought to be going the blond equivalent of grey. He doesn't dye his hair, does he?
‘I dye my hair brown to be taken more seriously at work’
When did we last have a really overweight PM ? Does Brown or Callaghan or Heath count ? Despite the fact that our world is full of overweight people, we have not had a seriously overweight PM like, say, Kohl in Germany.
Jeremy Corbyn on the other hand is pretty dapper for a seventy year old. As Roger points out he's comfortable with his tailoring these days.
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
The part insulting the Buddha is probably particularly inappropriate for the holiest Bhuddist site in Yangon.
The Poem is about the flotilla on the Irawaddy that conquered independent Burma in the third Anglo Burmese war.
I take very seriously protestations about Buddhism from people who can spell the word. The Buddha is not insulted: the poem is a monologue in the mouth of a naive and poorly educated Londoner and is about the impression made on him by the natural beauty and unfamiliar culture of Burma.
Stick to medicine.
I am a Christian, not a Buddhist, but this is pretty insulting:
"An' a-wastin' Christian kisses on an 'eathen idol's foot: Bloomin' idol made o' mud Wot they called the Great Gawd Budd Plucky lot she cared for idols when I kissed 'er where she stud! On the road to Mandalay"
An' eathen idol's foot. Blooming Idol made o' mud.
As a Christian you should agree with those sentiments although you might not choose to express them
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
I'm less interested in the poem than in his whole demeanour in that fooage. He just seems off somehow.
Physically he becomes increasingly unappealing, like a decomposing beached whale in a bad blond toupee. Another reason he needs to make his move now or not at all; he's not going to look any better in 2022.
When did we last have a really overweight PM ? Does Brown or Callaghan or Heath count ? Despite the fact that our world is full of overweight people, we have not had a seriously overweight PM like, say, Kohl in Germany.
I think that you need to allow for mass obesity being mostly a modern phenomenon.
Far more important than the fate of the Government, the Conservative Party or some car race out east, we have the seminal question of the moment.
Who wins the Arc de Triomphe tomorrow ? ENABLE is the short price favourite and has a lot going for her but she's been on the go a long time and was winning classics when people thought Theresa May was going to win a landslide.
At bigger prices, a couple for the each way sharks might be ORDER OF ST GEORGE (is this a coded reference to George Osborne ? No) and ZARAK who has a huge chance if on a going day (is this a Vince Cable reference ? Again, no).
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
The part insulting the Buddha is probably particularly inappropriate for the holiest Bhuddist site in Yangon.
The Poem is about the flotilla on the Irawaddy that conquered independent Burma in the third Anglo Burmese war.
I take very seriously protestations about Buddhism from people who can spell the word. The Buddha is not insulted: the poem is a monologue in the mouth of a naive and poorly educated Londoner and is about the impression made on him by the natural beauty and unfamiliar culture of Burma.
Stick to medicine.
I am a Christian, not a Buddhist, but this is pretty insulting:
"An' a-wastin' Christian kisses on an 'eathen idol's foot: Bloomin' idol made o' mud Wot they called the Great Gawd Budd Plucky lot she cared for idols when I kissed 'er where she stud! On the road to Mandalay"
An' eathen idol's foot. Blooming Idol made o' mud.
As a Christian you should agree with those sentiments although you might not choose to express them
Yes, I agree that idolatry is a trap for the unwary, but far from limited to Asian religions.
I am a universalist, and believe that there are plenty of non-Chritians with good knowledge of Gods grace, and this is entirely in keeping with Jesus's teachings.
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
I'm less interested in the poem than in his whole demeanour in that fooage. He just seems off somehow.
Physically he becomes increasingly unappealing, like a decomposing beached whale in a bad blond toupee. Another reason he needs to make his move now or not at all; he's not going to look any better in 2022.
When did we last have a really overweight PM ? Does Brown or Callaghan or Heath count ? Despite the fact that our world is full of overweight people, we have not had a seriously overweight PM like, say, Kohl in Germany.
I think that you need to allow for mass obesity being mostly a modern phenomenon.
Kipling was a pretty jingoistic Imperialist until his own son was killed on the Western Front in 1915.
After that, Kipling did still write favourably of the common soldier, but he took a much more nuanced and reflective attitude to the whole militaristic Imperial project.
A common misconception. Point us to a specific jingoistic, imperialist story or poem.
"We were promised abundance for all, by robbing selective Peter to pay for collective Paul" might be criticised these days!
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
I'm less interested in the poem than in his whole demeanour in that fooage. He just seems off somehow.
Physically he becomes increasingly unappealing, like a decomposing beached whale in a bad blond toupee. Another reason he needs to make his move now or not at all; he's not going to look any better in 2022.
When did we last have a really overweight PM ? Does Brown or Callaghan or Heath count ? Despite the fact that our world is full of overweight people, we have not had a seriously overweight PM like, say, Kohl in Germany.
I think that you need to allow for mass obesity being mostly a modern phenomenon.
Just heard the new UKIP leader on the radio and he sounds like a complete dork.
What happened to the anti-Islam woman? That was their last chance to remain relevant.
I havent really heard his ideas, but he was a LD for years only joining UKIP in 2014, so probably not all bad.
I also note he has a Russian wife. What is it about right wing populists that gets them to marry Slavs? I suppose at least that he has escaped the ethno nationalism that infects some countries.
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
The part insulting the Buddha is probably particularly inappropriate for the holiest Bhuddist site in Yangon.
The Poem is about the flotilla on the Irawaddy that conquered independent Burma in the third Anglo Burmese war.
I take very seriously protestations about Buddhism from people who can spell the word. The Buddha is not insulted: the poem is a monologue in the mouth of a naive and poorly educated Londoner and is about the impression made on him by the natural beauty and unfamiliar culture of Burma.
Stick to medicine.
I am a Christian, not a Buddhist, but this is pretty insulting:
"An' a-wastin' Christian kisses on an 'eathen idol's foot: Bloomin' idol made o' mud Wot they called the Great Gawd Budd Plucky lot she cared for idols when I kissed 'er where she stud! On the road to Mandalay"
An' eathen idol's foot. Blooming Idol made o' mud.
As a Christian you should agree with those sentiments although you might not choose to express them
Yes, I agree that idolatry is a trap for the unwary, but far from limited to Asian religions.
I am a universalist, and believe that there are plenty of non-Chritians with good knowledge of Gods grace, and this is entirely in keeping with Jesus's teachings.
Mammon has too many followers in the west these days
Kipling was a pretty jingoistic Imperialist until his own son was killed on the Western Front in 1915.
After that, Kipling did still write favourably of the common soldier, but he took a much more nuanced and reflective attitude to the whole militaristic Imperial project.
A common misconception. Point us to a specific jingoistic, imperialist story or poem.
"We were promised abundance for all, by robbing selective Peter to pay for collective Paul" might be criticised these days!
That is certainly towards the, ahem, high tory end of the spectrum, but it's not about empires or colonies. Whereas there is a story in Stalky & Co. 1899 or thereabouts "The Flag of Their Country" which is a straightforward (and not terribly good) satire on jingoism.
Just heard the new UKIP leader on the radio and he sounds like a complete dork.
What happened to the anti-Islam woman? That was their last chance to remain relevant.
I havent really heard his ideas, but he was a LD for years only joining UKIP in 2014, so probably not all bad.
I also note he has a Russian wife. What is it about right wing populists that gets them to marry Slavs? I suppose at least that he has escaped the ethno nationalism that infects some countries.
A former Lib Dem?
UKIP is for the angry working classes ignored by the elite who are obsessed with Brexit and diversity and couldn't give a stuff about places like Rochdale and Rotherham.
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
I'm less interested in the poem than in his whole demeanour in that fooage. He just seems off somehow.
Physically he becomes increasingly unappealing, like a decomposing beached whale in a bad blond toupee. Another reason he needs to make his move now or not at all; he's not going to look any better in 2022.
When did we last have a really overweight PM ? Does Brown or Callaghan or Heath count ? Despite the fact that our world is full of overweight people, we have not had a seriously overweight PM like, say, Kohl in Germany.
I think that you need to allow for mass obesity being mostly a modern phenomenon.
Both Heath and Brown ballooned after achieving office. Comfort eating to deal with stress perhaps? Or just loads of free grub all the time.
Lack of sleep I reckon. The worst thing for piling on the pounds.
Could be. Others lost weight after leaving office. Lawson, Blair, Howe, Faulkner. Plenty of natural thinnies: Tebbit, Hurd, Home, Major. Cameron seems to be gaining weight following Brexit.
Kipling was a pretty jingoistic Imperialist until his own son was killed on the Western Front in 1915.
After that, Kipling did still write favourably of the common soldier, but he took a much more nuanced and reflective attitude to the whole militaristic Imperial project.
A common misconception. Point us to a specific jingoistic, imperialist story or poem.
I rather like Kipling, and have read many of his works. I prefer the short stories such as "Plain tales from the Hills" to the poetry, but his works are very much of their time.
His stories and poems were very popular in their day, and demonstrate the predjudices and assumptions of the times. The common soldiers are salt of the earth, Britons are struggling with the White Mans Burden of civilising the natives, either child like or heathen or both.
There is a reason why he fell out of fashion despite being a very accomplished writer. My view of Kipling is not too far from Orwell's essay:
Orwell spent his formative early adult years in the Burmese police. His book "Burmese Days" is a very interesting tale of how Imperialism degrades both oppressor and oppressed, something that we still see in Burma and elsewhere such as the Middle East.
The King's Ankus is in my view a remarkable literary achievement - a very imaginative retelling of the Pardoner's Tale.
I do not remember that one so well. l perhaps should revisit it.
Though it does remind me that the Magic Money Tree grows very well because it is amply fertilised by the dead bodies decomposing around its roots, killed fighting for its fruit.
Just heard the new UKIP leader on the radio and he sounds like a complete dork.
What happened to the anti-Islam woman? That was their last chance to remain relevant.
I havent really heard his ideas, but he was a LD for years only joining UKIP in 2014, so probably not all bad.
I also note he has a Russian wife. What is it about right wing populists that gets them to marry Slavs? I suppose at least that he has escaped the ethno nationalism that infects some countries.
A former Lib Dem?
UKIP is for the angry working classes ignored by the elite who are obsessed with Brexit and diversity and couldn't give a stuff about places like Rochdale and Rotherham.
A sneering Lib Dem is the last thing they need.
He stood as an LD PPC in 2005 and got 17% of the vote. That was the anti Iraq war election under Kennedy. I don't know when he finally left the party.
Kipling was a pretty jingoistic Imperialist until his own son was killed on the Western Front in 1915.
After that, Kipling did still write favourably of the common soldier, but he took a much more nuanced and reflective attitude to the whole militaristic Imperial project.
A common misconception. Point us to a specific jingoistic, imperialist story or poem.
"We were promised abundance for all, by robbing selective Peter to pay for collective Paul" might be criticised these days!
That is certainly towards the, ahem, high tory end of the spectrum, but it's not about empires or colonies. Whereas there is a story in Stalky & Co. 1899 or thereabouts "The Flag of Their Country" which is a straightforward (and not terribly good) satire on jingoism.
That's one of my favourites of his!
Along with the White Seal and, of course, Rikki Tikki Tarvi
May should sack Boris. He asking for it, but he's over-reached. She could beat him.
Definitely. The comments on public sector pay seemed most out of line, treading on toes, trying to speak as if he's leader already rather than focusing on his job. The Myanmar footage of him is cringe-worthy, he's lost a lot of the charisma he had when standing against Ken.
Meh about the Burma footage, some twat has said on the front page of the bbc that Mandalay is a "pro-colonial" poem. How bad does his bad arts degree have to be, to think that poem "pro-colonial," and why are my tax dollars being spent on his salary?
I'm less interested in the poem than in his whole demeanour in that fooage. He just seems off somehow.
Physically he becomes increasingly unappealing, like a decomposing beached whale in a bad blond toupee. Another reason he needs to make his move now or not at all; he's not going to look any better in 2022.
When did we last have a really overweight PM ? Does Brown or Callaghan or Heath count ? Despite the fact that our world is full of overweight people, we have not had a seriously overweight PM like, say, Kohl in Germany.
The number of people attacking Boris! I guess he really is a threat to Labour.
Boris did beat the Labour candidate twice in London, a largely Labour city, in the Mayoral elections of 2008 and 2012, something Steve Norris and Zac Goldsmith could not do. In fact not even David Cameron could win London in 2010 or 2015 let alone Theresa May in 2017. Boris then effectively beat Cameron in the EU Referendum across the UK as de facto leader of the Leave campaign while Cameron led the Remain campaign
But you are ignoring the context. His victory over Livingstone in May 2008 occurred when the Labour Government had become highly unpopular - very different to the polling background in 2004 and 2000. In 2012 Johnson's margin of victory was very narrow despite Livingstone by that time being widely perceived as 'Yesterday's man'.Had Labour offered a better candidate he almost certainly have been defeated.
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The DUP are only waiting til their cheque comes through, then we'll see how long they stay as loyal Tory lobby fodder.
He led the Leave campaign and is simply ensuring the transition period does not become permanent, nothing he has said on it ie a two year maximum transition has directly contradicted what May has said and he was loyal to her when she lost her majority after the general election when he could have tried to topple her. May even shouted in triumph when she received a supportive text from Boris in the early hours of election night
Stick to medicine.
Mostly the incident just shows Boris's spectacularly bad judgement. He likes to show off his education, and Kipling is a great writer. This was an inappropriate place to show off.
If I were feeling malicious I would say in the light of the last fortnight that it clearly hasn't changed much!
The UK has much greater heritage & distinguished history in medical science than Greece.
"An' a-wastin' Christian kisses on an 'eathen idol's foot:
Bloomin' idol made o' mud
Wot they called the Great Gawd Budd
Plucky lot she cared for idols when I kissed 'er where she stud!
On the road to Mandalay"
An' eathen idol's foot. Blooming Idol made o' mud.
It would be genuinely unpredictable as huge swathes of the population would be voting negatively, either to keep Boris out or to keep Jazza out.
If Boris did defenestrate May pre-brexit, he'd need to go to the country ASAP, IMO.
His majority would rely on the ~2m leave voters who didn't turn out in 2017 + he'd need a convincing retail offer for the anti-boris tories not to sit on their hands. That probably involves fully ditching austerity. Corbynite economics for the tory client vote.
I wonder if part of the reason Gove stabbed Boris in the front was the realization that being Boris's CoE would be an impossible job?
I could not dig; I dared not rob:
Therefore I lied to please the mob.
Now all my lies are proved untrue
And I must face the men I slew.
What tale shall serve me here among
Mine angry and defrauded young?
The number of people attacking Boris! I guess he really is a threat to Labour.
Boris can be a boor and he's an unprincipled knave, but one thing you'd think we'd have learned over the past few years is if you blow up over every tiny thing someone does, it nullifies the effect of complaining about the serious things they do that deserve criticism.
@YBarddCwsc and @williamglenn, I admire the way you came up with exactly the same poem from the opposite ends of the political divide! Rather suitable, but would he have the self-awareness to utter it?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533698/Britain-just-2-71-doctors-1000-people-fewer-Latvia-Estonia-Lithuania.html
I have had this discussion with a number of Greek doctors. It seems that Greece has a good school system, excellent universities, but limited employment opportunities for graduates. There are few big private sector graduate employers in an economy without much manufacturing or financial services. There is the Civil Service and Military, but agriculture and tourism are not great employers of graduates. Medical School offers a graduate level career as well opportunity to work overseas. Greek doctors are valued particularly in USA, UK and Germany. Medicine is a career that travels well. A heart is a heart whichever country you are in.
No. You don't understand. Ch. 4 are insulted on behalf of the Burmese.
That's how it works these days.
After that, Kipling did still write favourably of the common soldier, but he took a much more nuanced and reflective attitude to the whole militaristic Imperial project.
His own guilt at inciting his young son to join up shows through in this poem. After all he inspired those statesmen.
"If Tusk wants our money in a bank vault, he can do a Pole vault!"
No? Ok I'll work on it.
Was it a flop?
[subtle]
I'd pay good money to hear him give an after-dinner speech, but I would certainly not wish to see him running my country particularly not with nuclear war a possibility and the EU already playing silly buggers on negotiations.
Despite the fact that our world is full of overweight people, we have not had a seriously overweight PM like, say, Kohl in Germany.
Would like to see the data though.
That wasn't subtle but it was all I could think of.
However, you may observe I used exactly the same word of Boris that Murali did.
His stories and poems were very popular in their day, and demonstrate the predjudices and assumptions of the times. The common soldiers are salt of the earth, Britons are struggling with the White Mans Burden of civilising the natives, either child like or heathen or both.
There is a reason why he fell out of fashion despite being a very accomplished writer. My view of Kipling is not too far from Orwell's essay:
http://orwell.ru/library/reviews/kipling/english/e_rkip
Orwell spent his formative early adult years in the Burmese police. His book "Burmese Days" is a very interesting tale of how Imperialism degrades both oppressor and oppressed, something that we still see in Burma and elsewhere such as the Middle East.
Corbyn (finally) following Cameron's advice to dress smarter, doesn't make Corbyn's policies any the less crazy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-41082939
Boris should follow suit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15108966
Ted Heath was a bit porky.
Far more important than the fate of the Government, the Conservative Party or some car race out east, we have the seminal question of the moment.
Who wins the Arc de Triomphe tomorrow ? ENABLE is the short price favourite and has a lot going for her but she's been on the go a long time and was winning classics when people thought Theresa May was going to win a landslide.
At bigger prices, a couple for the each way sharks might be ORDER OF ST GEORGE (is this a coded reference to George Osborne ? No) and ZARAK who has a huge chance if on a going day (is this a Vince Cable reference ? Again, no).
What happened to the anti-Islam woman? That was their last chance to remain relevant.
I am a universalist, and believe that there are plenty of non-Chritians with good knowledge of Gods grace, and this is entirely in keeping with Jesus's teachings.
https://youtu.be/Xe5OynLQbJc
I also note he has a Russian wife. What is it about right wing populists that gets them to marry Slavs? I suppose at least that he has escaped the ethno nationalism that infects some countries.
UKIP is for the angry working classes ignored by the elite who are obsessed with Brexit and diversity and couldn't give a stuff about places like Rochdale and Rotherham.
A sneering Lib Dem is the last thing they need.
Though it does remind me that the Magic Money Tree grows very well because it is amply fertilised by the dead bodies decomposing around its roots, killed fighting for its fruit.
Along with the White Seal and, of course, Rikki Tikki Tarvi