This like the drunken and acrimonious end to a terrible family gathering. The only question left is whether we'll get home in time for Match of the Day.
How did Theresa handle the protester? Was it akin to Maggie's 'Never mind, it is wet outside. I expect that they wanted to come in. You cannot blame them; it is always better where the Tories are.'?
I dont think Corbyn will stand down -health allowing - before 2022 if -as is likely -this parliament runs its full term. To suggest that he will do so forgets the fact that like his hero Castro, he is a fanatic, and fanatics have no life beyond their obsessions. Like so many others on the hard left Corbyn also suffers from over-weaning. He loves the cult of personality, the songs, the adoration, which he imagines will spread to the whole country after he comes to power.
Which is Labour's tragedy because there are people not on the Blairite right, but mainstream people like Thornberry, more in line with the old mainstream Labour like Barbara Castle and Harold Wilson who would unite the party, steer it away from Marxist claptrap while keeping it on the sensible left who would do a lot of good both for Labour and the Country.
How did Theresa handle the protester? Was it akin to Maggie's 'Never mind, it is wet outside. I expect that they wanted to come in. You cannot blame them; it is always better where the Tories are.'?
Not as well as somebody like Cameron would, who was rather good at the instant put downs.
I dont think Corbyn will stand down -health allowing - before 2022 if -as is likely -this parliament runs its full term. To suggest that he will do so forgets the fact that like his hero Castro, he is a fanatic, and fanatics have no life beyond their obsessions. Like so many others on the hard left Corbyn also suffers from over-weaning. He loves the cult of personality, the songs, the adoration, which he imagines will spread to the whole country after he comes to power.
Which is Labour's tragedy because there are people not on the Blairite right, but mainstream people like Thornberry, more in line with the old mainstream Labour like Barbara Castle and Harold Wilson who would unite the party, steer it away from Marxist claptrap while keeping it on the sensible left who would do a lot of good both for Labour and the Country.
Good points although I'm not much of a fan of Thornberry and I think she would not be an asset in gaining votes.
How did Theresa handle the protester? Was it akin to Maggie's 'Never mind, it is wet outside. I expect that they wanted to come in. You cannot blame them; it is always better where the Tories are.'?
Not as well as somebody like Cameron would, who was rather good at the instant put downs.
It was rubbish. Saying you'd like to give him a P45 is the kind of thing leaders of the opposition say to PMs, not the other way round.
I've got a feeling she will win over the members, but lose the MPs.
I've just topped up on Hunt and covered on Fallon.
Hunt would be a good choice. Seems to have got on with his job and is a blank enough canvas that people can project some of their own hopes onto. Would also be interesting to see a Tory leader go onto the attack regarding the NHS. His command of the facts would certainly allow him to shut up Corbyn in any debate.
I haven't seen or heard any of TM speech (not sure I can bear it).
Can someone please try to be objective and give me a two-three sentence summary?
Poor, cough, waffle, cough. The quiet man with a cough! Uninspiring and unbelievable...
Yes, I'm sure that's objective.
Perhaps I should come back to pb.com after we've all stopped being in spinning mode.
Who's spinning? Pictures of her audience clapping at the choreographed moments show a lot who are not, just looking bored. Compare with Corbyn''s, his audience was rocking the building.
I think you all need to chill out about the cough. It won't matter.
I have admiration for her trying to keep going. One of the worst things that can ever happen to you when public speaking is something happening to your voice mid speech.
Some will see it as merely a weakness, I don't see it like that. Perhaps If it was a regular occurrence then I would see it differently.
On the basis that two years ago the Tories accused Ed Miliband of being a socialist throwback who imperils Britain and now they copy his policies, should we expect PM Boris to be announcing plans to nationalise the railways at the Tory conference in 2019?
A certain basic competence is navigating life is not an unreasonable bar for entry to the highest office.
Even with a bad cough (& this one sounds as though it might also have a nervous element to it - cf IDS), the judicious use of a couple of Vocalzones ought to get you through. And if you really have such a bad throat, cut out 10-15 minutes of needless waffle.
I don't think that the reactions of the political sophisticates on this forum are a good guide to how the speech will go down in the country.
Agreed.
All the DM comments (Which is a reasonably fair guide to the country's thoughts normally) are regarding the extra council housing, and who might get it...
On the basis that two years ago the Tories accused Ed Miliband of being a socialist throwback who imperils Britain and now they copy his policies, should we expect PM Boris to be announcing plans to nationalise the railways at the Tory conference in 2019?
It's stupid both economically and politically. She's reacting to Labour's poor proposals, and not in a good way.
Was I the only person who found it very awkward for the PM to criticise Labour for laura Kuennsberg needing a bodyguard at their conference, not 20 minutes after a protester had walked up to her and not immediately been stopped, during her speech?
Was I the only person who found it very awkward for the PM to criticise Labour for laura Kuennsberg needing a bodyguard at their conference, not 20 minutes after a protester had walked up to her and not immediately been stopped, during her speech?
Not really, she is a Tory PM, the sort of person you'd expect protestors (or comics) to gravitate towards.
Its very rare for journalists to be the target of protests let alone threats.
Was I the only person who found it very awkward for the PM to criticise Labour for laura Kuennsberg needing a bodyguard at their conference, not 20 minutes after a protester had walked up to her and not immediately been stopped, during her speech?
The trouble seems to be that the tories are wheeling out diluted centrism, which is pretty much undelieverable anyway, when the mood is for radical change.
On the basis that two years ago the Tories accused Ed Miliband of being a socialist throwback who imperils Britain and now they copy his policies, should we expect PM Boris to be announcing plans to nationalise the railways at the Tory conference in 2019?
I suspect there is very little Boris wouldn't announce if it helped him win votes/power.
On topic: Laura Pidcock at 100/1 is my tip. Not impossible that Corbyn will hang around for a very long time. Pidcock is the darling of the Corbynites, wouldn't be suprised if she gets a shadow ministerial post. Hard to contemplate it given how odious her views are, but she could be a contender.
On topic: Laura Pidcock at 100/1 is my tip. Not impossible that Corbyn will hang around for a very long time. Pidcock is the darling of the Corbynites, wouldn't be suprised if she gets a shadow ministerial post. Hard to contemplate it given how odious her views are, but she could be a contender.
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Which is Labour's tragedy because there are people not on the Blairite right, but mainstream people like Thornberry, more in line with the old mainstream Labour like Barbara Castle and Harold Wilson who would unite the party, steer it away from Marxist claptrap while keeping it on the sensible left who would do a lot of good both for Labour and the Country.
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/915541162576027649
The conference was boring and flat until now
What an amazing eventful speech - she has won them over completely
She has played a blinder today
From an inspiring PM
Cough
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/915541411755433984
Actually the last one never really defined anyone.
I've just topped up on Hunt and covered on Fallon.
They don't need an excuse any more.
"She's not up to it"
Who can disagree?
The last thing the right want is a tory majority government building loads of council houses and cancelling student loans and race audits etc etc.
The Unlucky Alf of politics.
Some will see it as merely a weakness, I don't see it like that. Perhaps If it was a regular occurrence then I would see it differently.
So Mail and Telegraph not impressed. I think we know where the headlines are going.
Even with a bad cough (& this one sounds as though it might also have a nervous element to it - cf IDS), the judicious use of a couple of Vocalzones ought to get you through.
And if you really have such a bad throat, cut out 10-15 minutes of needless waffle.
Improve human health!!!
Bugger"
Security should be ashamed.
Its very rare for journalists to be the target of protests let alone threats.
Not impossible that Corbyn will hang around for a very long time. Pidcock is the darling of the Corbynites, wouldn't be suprised if she gets a shadow ministerial post. Hard to contemplate it given how odious her views are, but she could be a contender.
NEW THREAD
If she isnt forced out now
The Tories will get what they deserve.
Obviously i hope they don;t