Betting on her to go this year could be risky in the sense that even if she resigns next week it might take till January to choose new leader. Say:
11 Oct - Resigns 16 Oct - Nominations open 19 Oct - Nominations close 24 Oct - MPs 1st ballot 26 Oct - MPs 2nd ballot 29 Oct - MPs 3rd ballot (if needed)
Even if down to two candidates by 26 Oct, I think members ballot is normally done over approx 8 weeks which would be very close indeed to Christmas.
Maybe they might do it over 6 weeks but even that would be approx 10 December - and that's all based on her going next week.
If she resigns it is possible she would go immediately and there would be a caretaker whilst a new permanent leader is chosen. I am not familiar with internal Tory party arrangements but would it be right to assume that would be Green as deputy leader?
I don't agree about her belief in the polls being hubris; we all believed them, possibly with the reservation that the top 5% might be a bit frothy. The problem was thinking that she could cash the lead into seats without even a token show of humanity or warmth or willingness to please or prospective gratitude for anyone's vote. Ghastly Andrea Leadsom was ghastly, but she was also right: May lacks children, and also lacks the very basic empathy which would in most cases mean that the lack of children was irrelevant. It is an open question whether May's utterly ghastly doorkeepers are equally autistic, or detected and exploited her autism.
Copeland led the Conservatives into a false sense of security, I think. Remarkably the government won a byelection off the opposition, who fielded a GP and a personable candidate with a ready-made local hospitals issue to exploit.
Yes, the thing that is worth remembering is that it wasn't merely polls that were leading the belief the Tories would win, and likely win big. Copeland, the poor showing for Labour in the locals, and mayoralties, there was plenty there. Even with a good Labour campaign, it seemed solid enough. Oh well. Regrettably, May turning out to be a duffer does not erase the problems with the opposition, for all the dissenters are pretending their only issue was believing Corbyn would do badly.
One answer is to ignore it, call for a boycott by your own side then dismiss the outcome as illegal and point to the low turnout (caused by the boycott).
A good answer is not to beat up elderly voters, drag women by their hair and shoot rubber bullets at people. The law didn't demand any of that.
Yes, I agree. That's why I said it was an error. A stupid, grotesque unnecessary and totally counterproductive error that may tear Spain apart.
However, the narrow point that it was under the circumstances slightly less of an unforced error than calling an unneeded general election and blowing a huge lead in the polls over a tenth rate nutcase like Corbyn. While it may be worse overall, it wasn't totally unforced.
Are you sure May blew a huge lead in the polls? I doubt it was real in the first place
It may be hard for her to admit that she is not up to it and/or that implementing Brexit with her current Cabinet is like herding black cats in the dark. But those who love her need to speak some hard truths to her.
I suspect the problem now is that with things as they stand the only person with a credible chance at replacing her swiftly is Boris Johnson, and call me crazy, they don't seem to be fans of one another, or at least their allies leak enough to make it seem that way. Her demeanour is not that of someone who thinks they can overcome the wounds suffered in June, it's of someone who does not they are not up to it, but desperate to be there long enough to at least deny Boris the prize.
Brilliant judgment on the part of Boris to deploy a "the only thing funnier than Johnny Foreigner is a dead Johnny Foreigner" gag at this critical point. But perhaps that will be overshadowed out of existence by the Maybotterdammerung.
Betting on her to go this year could be risky in the sense that even if she resigns next week it might take till January to choose new leader. Say:
11 Oct - Resigns 16 Oct - Nominations open 19 Oct - Nominations close 24 Oct - MPs 1st ballot 26 Oct - MPs 2nd ballot 29 Oct - MPs 3rd ballot (if needed)
Even if down to two candidates by 26 Oct, I think members ballot is normally done over approx 8 weeks which would be very close indeed to Christmas.
Maybe they might do it over 6 weeks but even that would be approx 10 December - and that's all based on her going next week.
If she resigns it is possible she would go immediately and there would be a caretaker whilst a new permanent leader is chosen. I am not familiar with internal Tory party arrangements but would it be right to assume that would be Green as deputy leader?
What would be the point of that?
She will be party leader and PM after she resigns until a successor is chosen.
I have stuck up for her many times, but it feels like time is up. We can't go through one of the most important moments in our constitutional history with a PM who doesn't have a vision for the future.
Clearly, yer man Cameron is the one to blame for the state of your party, and the Nation. Rightly or wrongly, he instigated the Referendum and then threw the towel in as soon as he could, despite his words that he'd stay on for a bit. If he'd hung around, maybe yer other man Osborne might have been in with a chance? Mind you, I can't blame him. He's got a hot wife, loads of money and a lifestyle not many of us will ever have. Why would he hang around to sort the mess out?
Edit-FIRST!
1) It was honour, he said if you lose a nation changing referendum like that, you should quit
2) He realised he would have been seen as the wrong man to sort out the Brexit deal
3) If he has decided to stay on, the Leadbangers would have tried to force him out, so it wasn't up to him, which would have impacted on 2)
(The national vote tally is deliberately disconnected from, and disproportionate from, the representation won. A system very strongly backed by Tories, as I understand it - so citing a voting figure is just, well, sort of an interesting factoid in the background of the reality that the result was both quantitatively (fewer seats) and qualitatively (no majority) significantly worse.
But that isn't what TSE was arguing. He was saying Cameron was more popular and had more support. The basic numbers as opposed to their translation into seats show that to be absolute garbage.
One answer is to ignore it, call for a boycott by your own side then dismiss the outcome as illegal and point to the low turnout (caused by the boycott).
A good answer is not to beat up elderly voters, drag women by their hair and shoot rubber bullets at people. The law didn't demand any of that.
Yes, I agree. That's why I said it was an error. A stupid, grotesque unnecessary and totally counterproductive error that may tear Spain apart.
However, the narrow point that it was under the circumstances slightly less of an unforced error than calling an unneeded general election and blowing a huge lead in the polls over a tenth rate nutcase like Corbyn. While it may be worse overall, it wasn't totally unforced.
Are you sure May blew a huge lead in the polls? I doubt it was real in the first place
It may be hard for her to admit that she is not up to it and/or that implementing Brexit with her current Cabinet is like herding black cats in the dark. But those who love her need to speak some hard truths to her.
I suspect the problem now is that with things as they stand the only person with a credible chance at replacing her swiftly is Boris Johnson, and call me crazy, they don't seem to be fans of one another, or at least their allies leak enough to make it seem that way. Her demeanour is not that of someone who thinks they can overcome the wounds suffered in June, it's of someone who does not they are not up to it, but desperate to be there long enough to at least deny Boris the prize.
That rings true but it doesn't stop 47 MPs writing to the 1922 committee chairman.
No it doesn't, but I still question if Boris is the answer - May's last hope is one that can hardly be openly countenanced, but would be for her to try to act as a lightning rod for the party, which cannot happen if she goes now as there's plenty of bad news to come. But it's tough to see how it can work now, even if it might have before - such a perfect storm of dispiriting imagery for Tories, one would think at least 47 won't care what comes next.
They'll just need to resist talk of needing a personal mandate. Corbyn's a good campaigner, the arguments that resonated for him and didn't work against him will be just as effective, and a new Tory leader who asks parliament to call another election if their polling improves would no doubt find out what happens when you so obviously call an election because you think it will help you personally.
One answer is to ignore it, call for a boycott by your own side then dismiss the outcome as illegal and point to the low turnout (caused by the boycott).
A good answer is not to beat up elderly voters, drag women by their hair and shoot rubber bullets at people. The law didn't demand any of that.
Yes, I agree. That's why I said it was an error. A stupid, grotesque unnecessary and totally counterproductive error that may tear Spain apart.
However, the narrow point that it was under the circumstances slightly less of an unforced error than calling an unneeded general election and blowing a huge lead in the polls over a tenth rate nutcase like Corbyn. While it may be worse overall, it wasn't totally unforced.
Are you sure May blew a huge lead in the polls? I doubt it was real in the first place
It may be hard for her to admit that she is not up to it and/or that implementing Brexit with her current Cabinet is like herding black cats in the dark. But those who love her need to speak some hard truths to her.
I suspect the problem now is that with things as they stand the only person with a credible chance at replacing her swiftly is Boris Johnson, and call me crazy, they don't seem to be fans of one another, or at least their allies leak enough to make it seem that way. Her demeanour is not that of someone who thinks they can overcome the wounds suffered in June, it's of someone who does not they are not up to it, but desperate to be there long enough to at least deny Boris the prize.
Brilliant judgment on the part of Boris to deploy a "the only thing funnier than Johnny Foreigner is a dead Johnny Foreigner" gag at this critical point. But perhaps that will be overshadowed out of existence by the Maybotterdammerung.
Twilight of the Tories?
(Probably not, given their track record of reinvention, but twilight of Thatcherism at least - shrinking the state and market is king have had their day.)
Copeland led the Conservatives into a false sense of security, I think. Remarkably the government won a byelection off the opposition, who fielded a GP and a personable candidate with a ready-made local hospitals issue to exploit.
Yes, the thing that is worth remembering is that it wasn't merely polls that were leading the belief the Tories would win, and likely win big. Copeland, the poor showing for Labour in the locals, and mayoralties, there was plenty there. Even with a good Labour campaign, it seemed solid enough. Oh well. Regrettably, May turning out to be a duffer does not erase the problems with the opposition, for all the dissenters are pretending their only issue was believing Corbyn would do badly.
Marina Hyde is on the money, as well as her usual amusing self in the Guardian today:
Each party – even given their occasionally radioactive levels of self-regard – must be privately gripped by one question: how the hell are we not thrashing this lot?
...
The numbers suggest that at present Labour and the Conservatives are not far from evenly matched, while each side openly professes themselves the natural party of government. Yet, without wishing to go out on a limb here, we might hesitate to characterise them as what is known in fiction as “worthy foes”. You know the sort of thing – they’re such class acts that when they meet in battle, one adversary might break off momentarily to compliment the other’s swordsmanship and say what a shame it is that they’re going to have to kill them.
No, as conference season draws to a close, it feels a stretch to imagine we are watching two equally formidable adversaries grappling at the Reichenbach Falls. Two drunks fighting in a puddle feels more like it. We might get a clear victor, we might not. But let’s not be deluded as to the quality of the spectacle.
Clearly, yer man Cameron is the one to blame for the state of your party, and the Nation. Rightly or wrongly, he instigated the Referendum and then threw the towel in as soon as he could, despite his words that he'd stay on for a bit. If he'd hung around, maybe yer other man Osborne might have been in with a chance? Mind you, I can't blame him. He's got a hot wife, loads of money and a lifestyle not many of us will ever have. Why would he hang around to sort the mess out?
Edit-FIRST!
1) It was honour, he said if you lose a nation changing referendum like that, you should quit
2) He realised he would have been seen as the wrong man to sort out the Brexit deal
3) If he has decided to stay on, the Leadbangers would have tried to force him out, so it wasn't up to him, which would have impacted on 2)
(The national vote tally is deliberately disconnected from, and disproportionate from, the representation won. A system very strongly backed by Tories, as I understand it - so citing a voting figure is just, well, sort of an interesting factoid in the background of the reality that the result was both quantitatively (fewer seats) and qualitatively (no majority) significantly worse.
But that isn't what TSE was arguing. He was saying Cameron was more popular and had more support. The basic numbers as opposed to their translation into seats show that to be absolute garbage.
We've had three successive results that were (in seat terms) pretty similar for the Conservatives. The party has considerable support, but can't quite seal the deal.
Since 2010, 16 seats net have been lost to Labour, and 27 gained from others.
Betting on her to go this year could be risky in the sense that even if she resigns next week it might take till January to choose new leader. Say:
11 Oct - Resigns 16 Oct - Nominations open 19 Oct - Nominations close 24 Oct - MPs 1st ballot 26 Oct - MPs 2nd ballot 29 Oct - MPs 3rd ballot (if needed)
Even if down to two candidates by 26 Oct, I think members ballot is normally done over approx 8 weeks which would be very close indeed to Christmas.
Maybe they might do it over 6 weeks but even that would be approx 10 December - and that's all based on her going next week.
If she resigns it is possible she would go immediately and there would be a caretaker whilst a new permanent leader is chosen. I am not familiar with internal Tory party arrangements but would it be right to assume that would be Green as deputy leader?
What would be the point of that?
She will be party leader and PM after she resigns until a successor is chosen.
I have stuck up for her many times, but it feels like time is up. We can't go through one of the most important moments in our constitutional history with a PM who doesn't have a vision for the future.
Read what Mike has written in the thread header. She could be got rid of without any successor having been chosen. Or she might decide to go herself with immediate effect citing poor health.
If it is the latter she is hardly likely to hang on for several months which would rather undermine the reason for her going.
A good answer is not to beat up elderly voters, drag women by their hair and shoot rubber bullets at people. The law didn't demand any of that.
Yes, I agree. That's why I said it was an error. A stupid, grotesque unnecessary and totally counterproductive error that may tear Spain apart.
However, the narrow point that it was under the circumstances slightly less of an unforced error than calling an unneeded general election and blowing a huge lead in the polls over a tenth rate nutcase like Corbyn. While it may be worse overall, it wasn't totally unforced.
Are you sure May blew a huge lead in the polls? I doubt it was real in the first place
It may be hard for her to admit that she is not up to it and/or that implementing Brexit with her current Cabinet is like herding black cats in the dark. But those who love her need to speak some hard truths to her.
I suspect the problem now is that with things as they stand the only person with a credible chance at replacing her swiftly is Boris Johnson, and call me crazy, they don't seem to be fans of one another, or at least their allies leak enough to make it seem that way. Her demeanour is not that of someone who thinks they can overcome the wounds suffered in June, it's of someone who does not they are not up to it, but desperate to be there long enough to at least deny Boris the prize.
That rings true but it doesn't stop 47 MPs writing to the 1922 committee chairman.
No it doesn't, but I still question if Boris is the answer - May's last hope is one that can hardly be openly countenanced, but would be for her to try to act as a lightning rod for the party, which cannot happen if she goes now as there's plenty of bad news to come. But it's tough to see how it can work now, even if it might have before - such a perfect storm of dispiriting imagery for Tories, one would think at least 47 won't care what comes next.
They'll just need to resist talk of needing a personal mandate. Corbyn's a good campaigner, the arguments that resonated for him and didn't work against him will be just as effective, and a new Tory leader who asks parliament to call another election if their polling improves would no doubt find out what happens when you so obviously call an election because you think it will help you personally.
Yes, Labour will hammer that 'lack of a personal mandate' point relentlessly. It will be hard for the Tories to avoid looking like they are running scared (mainly because they are running scared, of course).
It seems Catalonia's government will declare independence on Monday.
Then what?
Then nothing. Any declaration would have the same force in law as the 'referendum'. There remains a majority in the region which wants to stay with Spain.
Says who and with what evidence? If that were the case then hold a centrally-authorised referendum to show so.
The w/e referendum was illegal. Maybe you should write to the Spanish government telling them what to do. I'm sure they'd be all ears.
It's not what they should do. Let's face it, this isn't an easy situation for them.
However, there are some things they should definitely not do, and setting riot police on a bunch of elderly ladies is among them.
Indeed. They were already guaranteed international support, the law on their side and easy opportunity to discredit whatever figures the Catalan government came up with given the nature of the vote. They still have the first two, but the third is distracted and in some cases excused by their actions, while perhaps simultaneously egging on the Catalan separatists, who were already dangerously egged up it seems. Did even they want to go quite this far? But with righteous anger to deal with, are they just as stuck on rails to a collision as Madrid? The top lot were already certain to be prosecuted, even if the region managed to keep its autonomy.
Betting on her to go this year could be risky in the sense that even if she resigns next week it might take till January to choose new leader. Say:
11 Oct - Resigns 16 Oct - Nominations open 19 Oct - Nominations close 24 Oct - MPs 1st ballot 26 Oct - MPs 2nd ballot 29 Oct - MPs 3rd ballot (if needed)
Even if down to two candidates by 26 Oct, I think members ballot is normally done over approx 8 weeks which would be very close indeed to Christmas.
Maybe they might do it over 6 weeks but even that would be approx 10 December - and that's all based on her going next week.
If she resigns it is possible she would go immediately and there would be a caretaker whilst a new permanent leader is chosen. I am not familiar with internal Tory party arrangements but would it be right to assume that would be Green as deputy leader?
What would be the point of that?
She will be party leader and PM after she resigns until a successor is chosen.
I have stuck up for her many times, but it feels like time is up. We can't go through one of the most important moments in our constitutional history with a PM who doesn't have a vision for the future.
Read what Mike has written in the thread header. She could be got rid of without any successor having been chosen. Or she might decide to go herself with immediate effect citing poor health.
If it is the latter she is hardly likely to hang on for several months which would rather undermine the reason for her going.
In that case, the lizard brains of the Tory MPs will be brought to the fore, and a unity candidate will emerge to take over immediately.
Step forward David Davis, First Lord of the Treasury!
Theresa May (today) reminds me of Jeb Bush during last years town hall "please clap" speech.
Deflated. Resigned.
There were signs for a while that both were going through the motions, pushed on by others, but then the moment came when they could no longer put on the pretense & pull it together on stage.
She's finished.
It would take some kind of immediate major national crisis to save her, and even then there's a good chance she'd give way if asked.
A good answer is not to beat up elderly voters, drag women by their hair and shoot rubber bullets at people. The law didn't demand any of that.
Yes, I agree. That's why I said it was an error. A stupid, grotesque unnecessary and totally counterproductive error that may tear Spain apart.
However, the narrow point that it was under the circumstances slightly less of an unforced error than calling an unneeded general election and blowing a huge lead in the polls over a tenth rate nutcase like Corbyn. While it may be worse overall, it wasn't totally unforced.
Are you sure May blew a huge lead in the polls? I doubt it was real in the first place
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That rings true but it doesn't stop 47 MPs writing to the 1922 committee chairman.
No it doesn't, but I still question if Boris is the answer - May's last hope is one that can hardly be openly countenanced, but would be for her to try to act as a lightning rod for the party, which cannot happen if she goes now as there's plenty of bad news to come. But it's tough to see how it can work now, even if it might have before - such a perfect storm of dispiriting imagery for Tories, one would think at least 47 won't care what comes next.
They'll just need to resist talk of needing a personal mandate. Corbyn's a good campaigner, the arguments that resonated for him and didn't work against him will be just as effective, and a new Tory leader who asks parliament to call another election if their polling improves would no doubt find out what happens when you so obviously call an election because you think it will help you personally.
Yes, Labour will hammer that 'lack of a personal mandate' point relentlessly. It will be hard for the Tories to avoid looking like they are running scared (mainly because they are running scared, of course).
The Tories resisted it well enough last time, until they got greedy (and in fairness to May again, many many Tories were crying out for it) - it never made much sense to me to ask for a GE after A50 had been triggered given it would distract from the talks, hence why it was a surprise.
But the mandate question always comes up when there's a transfer, they have to ignore it. This time it really really is not the time to take another 2-3 months out to focus on an election. Labour will be confident of winning the next GE whenever it is now, so they can rest fairly easy with a handy attack line always to fall back on.
Indeed. They were already guaranteed international support, the law on their side and easy opportunity to discredit whatever figures the Catalan government came up with given the nature of the vote. They still have the first two, but the third is distracted and in some cases excused by their actions, while perhaps simultaneously egging on the Catalan separatists, who were already dangerously egged up it seems. Did even they want to go quite this far? But with righteous anger to deal with, are they just as stuck on rails to a collision as Madrid? The top lot were already certain to be prosecuted, even if the region managed to keep its autonomy.
Certainly a PR disaster for the Spanish government, as well as playing with fire. The Catalan government isn't acting democratically, even in terms of their Catalan mandate.
However, the narrow point that it was under the circumstances slightly less of an unforced error than calling an unneeded general election and blowing a huge lead in the polls over a tenth rate nutcase like Corbyn. While it may be worse overall, it wasn't totally unforced.
Are you sure May blew a huge lead in the polls? I doubt it was real in the first place
Her mistake was to believe it was real. Hubris. Now we're getting nemesis. It is painful to watch.
Philip May needs to save his wife from this. She's tried her best. She has some achievements to her name - I listed them out earlier. But she took on a hospital pass when she went for PM last June and has played the poor hand she was given very badly.
It may be hard for her to admit that she is not up to it and/or that implementing Brexit with her current Cabinet is like herding black cats in the dark. But those who love her need to speak some hard truths to her.
It's not doing the country any good at all to have such a paralysed government in charge.
I don't agree about her belief in the polls being hubris; we all believed them, possibly with the reservation that the top 5% might be a bit frothy. The problem was thinking that she could cash the lead into seats without even a token show of humanity or warmth or willingness to please or prospective gratitude for anyone's vote. Ghastly Andrea Leadsom was ghastly, but she was also right: May lacks children, and also lacks the very basic empathy which would in most cases mean that the lack of children was irrelevant. It is an open question whether May's utterly ghastly doorkeepers are equally autistic, or detected and exploited her autism.
You don’t need to have children to have empathy. Nor should you accuse people of autism just because they are not good at meeting strangers.
May had no good reason to call the election, was not good at campaigning, refused to engage with voters and had a rubbish manifesto. That makes her a poor politician. It does not make her autistic.
I really hate it when serious health conditions are bandied about as insults.
Brexit. With respect to it we need to know what the fuck we're doing afterwards. BoJo might be a ponce but at least he has an idea for afterwards. And if that doesn't look likely he has other ideas. But we will at least be moving forwards. Because loathe though I am to chase TWO it is at least something to plan towards.
Otherwise what do we have. A PM unable to command a glass of water leading a heavily divided cabinet so that we prepare for no post-Brexit scenario and accidentally fall of the cliff and wake up dead.
For all that was said about Boris the Buffoon London still ran under his mayorship. Britain will still run under his premiership. Just get it done already.
At a bar in the Catalan leader's home region, they clapped respectfully afterwards, happy with their leader and his call for mediation, and then they joked about the Game of Thrones TV series.
"We need a king like Jon Snow who tries to keep his lands together and is with the people," said one woman, laughing.
Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy, by common agreement, was the Night King, wishing eternal winter on Catalonia.
Brexit. With respect to it we need to know what the fuck we're doing afterwards. BoJo might be a ponce but at least he has an idea for afterwards. And if that doesn't look likely he has other ideas. But we will at least be moving forwards. Because loathe though I am to chase TWO it is at least something to plan towards.
Otherwise what do we have. A PM unable to command a glass of water leading a heavily divided cabinet so that we prepare for no post-Brexit scenario and accidentally fall of the cliff and wake up dead.
For all that was said about Boris the Buffoon London still ran under his mayorship. Britain will still run under his premiership. Just get it done already.
I wasn't aware of that. What is Johnson's plan for Brexit, beyond having cake and eating it?
Correction. I have just found out about Johnson's ten point plan. Which in concrete terms consists of abolishing tampon tax, which he can do anyway while in the EU, assuming that's the be all and end all of Brexit. The rest is vague: Brexit will be a success, we will be friends with the Commonwealth, talk about free trade (the Germans do it). If we are relying on Johnson for a brilliant Brexit future, we're fucked, frankly.
Copeland led the Conservatives into a false sense of security, I think. Remarkably the government won a byelection off the opposition, who fielded a GP and a personable candidate with a ready-made local hospitals issue to exploit.
Yes, the thing that is worth remembering is that it wasn't merely polls that were leading the belief the Tories would win, and likely win big. Copeland, the poor showing for Labour in the locals, and mayoralties, there was plenty there. Even with a good Labour campaign, it seemed solid enough. Oh well. Regrettably, May turning out to be a duffer does not erase the problems with the opposition, for all the dissenters are pretending their only issue was believing Corbyn would do badly.
Marina Hyde is on the money, as well as her usual amusing self in the Guardian today:
Each party – even given their occasionally radioactive levels of self-regard – must be privately gripped by one question: how the hell are we not thrashing this lot?
...
The numbers suggest that at present Labour and the Conservatives are not far from evenly matched, while each side openly professes themselves the natural party of government. Yet, without wishing to go out on a limb here, we might hesitate to characterise them as what is known in fiction as “worthy foes”. You know the sort of thing – they’re such class acts that when they meet in battle, one adversary might break off momentarily to compliment the other’s swordsmanship and say what a shame it is that they’re going to have to kill them.
No, as conference season draws to a close, it feels a stretch to imagine we are watching two equally formidable adversaries grappling at the Reichenbach Falls. Two drunks fighting in a puddle feels more like it. We might get a clear victor, we might not. But let’s not be deluded as to the quality of the spectacle.
Just read the whole article and it is stunningly good writing.
Looking on the bright side....has the BBC ever had a better political editor than Laura Kuennsberg? I felt so sorry for TM that I'd decided not to watch but with LK on display I couldn't resist. And what a performance!
I watched a bullfight the other day. She's picador and matador rolled into one. So elegant and precise. She makes Boris look like a calf with a twisted ankle
Looking on the bright side....has the BBC ever had a better political editor than Laura Kuennsberg? I felt so sorry for TM that I'd decided not to watch but with LK on display I couldn't resist. And what a performance!
I watched a bullfight the other day. She's picador and matador rolled into one. So elegant and precise. She makes Boris look like a calf with a twisted ankle
No wonder Momentum dislike her, she skewers both sides.
You don’t need to have children to have empathy. Nor should you accuse people of autism just because they are not good at meeting strangers.
May had no good reason to call the election, was not good at campaigning, refused to engage with voters and had a rubbish manifesto. That makes her a poor politician. It does not make her autistic.
I really hate it when serious health conditions are bandied about as insults.
You misunderstand me: the point is that if you have empathy, you do not need to have children of your own to understand the concerns of the young. Nor was I being insulting.
You misunderstand me: the point is that if you have empathy, you do not need to have children of your own to understand the concerns of the young. Nor was I being insulting.
With the former point, perhaps not, but you did diagnose May as being autistic, which if she is not is a pretty strong thing to claim.
Are there sufficient conservative MP's to send in letters
How does Graham Brady view the situation
How do the polls reflect the position. She may have garnered votes for batting on under such duress and she may not
I wouldn't expect much conference polling boost!
I agree with @Cyclefree. Neither Autism nor Schizophrenia are appropriate terms politically, they are serious mental conditions. Neither should her diabetes nor cough (? ACE inhibitor) be held against her.
Her woeful performance however was self inflicted. And the falling letters...
Looking on the bright side....has the BBC ever had a better political editor than Laura Kuennsberg? I felt so sorry for TM that I'd decided not to watch but with LK on display I couldn't resist. And what a performance!
I watched a bullfight the other day. She's picador and matador rolled into one. So elegant and precise. She makes Boris look like a calf with a twisted ankle
No wonder Momentum dislike her, she skewers both sides.
They're smart enough to know their future is in her hands and she'll tell it as she sees it. Not necessarily great for Jeremy and Momentum.
Are there sufficient conservative MP's to send in letters
How does Graham Brady view the situation
How do the polls reflect the position. She may have garnered votes for batting on under such duress and she may not
And the falling letters...
It's actually a little hard to believe it happened if there were not evidence. How many days have they been up with no issue, why that moment to fall off?
Are there sufficient conservative MP's to send in letters
How does Graham Brady view the situation
How do the polls reflect the position. She may have garnered votes for batting on under such duress and she may not
And the falling letters...
It's actually a little hard to believe it happened if there were not evidence. How many days have they been up with no issue, why that moment to fall off?
Apparently all the standing ovations caused them to fall off. No really.
So if Mrs May didn't have her coughing fits, and the members didn't need to give her all those ovations to recover, they wouldn't have fallen off.
Are there sufficient conservative MP's to send in letters
How does Graham Brady view the situation
How do the polls reflect the position. She may have garnered votes for batting on under such duress and she may not
And the falling letters...
It's actually a little hard to believe it happened if there were not evidence. How many days have they been up with no issue, why that moment to fall off?
The bottom row had been recently re-aligned as they weren't central earlier in the week.
Are there sufficient conservative MP's to send in letters
How does Graham Brady view the situation
How do the polls reflect the position. She may have garnered votes for batting on under such duress and she may not
I wouldn't expect much conference polling boost!
I agree with @Cyclefree. Neither Autism nor Schizophrenia are appropriate terms politically, they are serious mental conditions. Neither should her diabetes nor cough (? ACE inhibitor) be held against her.
Her woeful performance however was self inflicted. And the falling letters...
For a doctor that is unfair. She had a heavy cold and cough which overtook her due to the length of her speech. I have had similar episodes when public speaking but not as severe.
The falling letters would have been the responsibility of the staging company.
Where I can agree is that it would have been traumatic for her and if I was Philip I would be considering how long she needs to put up with the position.
I know you are a Corbynista but be fair in your anaylsis
I do accept that the dynamic for her has changed today - that's politics
Are there sufficient conservative MP's to send in letters
How does Graham Brady view the situation
How do the polls reflect the position. She may have garnered votes for batting on under such duress and she may not
And the falling letters...
It's actually a little hard to believe it happened if there were not evidence. How many days have they been up with no issue, why that moment to fall off?
Apparently all the standing ovations caused them to fall off. No really.
So if Mrs May didn't have her coughing fits, and the members didn't need to give her all those ovations to recover, they wouldn't have fallen off.
I wish I was making that up.
How can this be real?
I'm almost worried my penis will fall off during the night.
Just taken the dog for a walk, and thought through the alternatives. Which ever way you throw the dice, there only seems to be one viable route.
Tomorrow, May has to go to HMQ and return the Great Seal. A GE to be called in 4 weeks time.
There is no potential leader to replace May within the Conservative MP's who has the confidence of the majority of them. There is probably no conservative MP who wants the job as they can all recognise a poison chalice of Brexit.
The EU leaders will have watched or found out about her appearance at the conference. Her already diminished reputation has gone even further down, if that is possible.
It might be surprising to some, but I actually believe that a dual or multi party system is good for democracy in that an opposition must be able to question the administration, to discover faults and allow rectification. When the administration, as with the present one, tries to override the opposition, whether within the Commons or Lords, then they have lost the right to govern.
In the words of Margaret Thatcher, "There is no alternative".
Are there sufficient conservative MP's to send in letters
How does Graham Brady view the situation
How do the polls reflect the position. She may have garnered votes for batting on under such duress and she may not
And the falling letters...
It's actually a little hard to believe it happened if there were not evidence. How many days have they been up with no issue, why that moment to fall off?
Apparently all the standing ovations caused them to fall off. No really.
So if Mrs May didn't have her coughing fits, and the members didn't need to give her all those ovations to recover, they wouldn't have fallen off.
I wish I was making that up.
How can this be real?
I'm almost worried my penis will fall off during the night.
Are there sufficient conservative MP's to send in letters
How does Graham Brady view the situation
How do the polls reflect the position. She may have garnered votes for batting on under such duress and she may not
And the falling letters...
It's actually a little hard to believe it happened if there were not evidence. How many days have they been up with no issue, why that moment to fall off?
Apparently all the standing ovations caused them to fall off. No really.
So if Mrs May didn't have her coughing fits, and the members didn't need to give her all those ovations to recover, they wouldn't have fallen off.
I wish I was making that up.
How can this be real?
I'm almost worried my penis will fall off during the night.
Did you mean to post that in another conversation?
Are there sufficient conservative MP's to send in letters
How does Graham Brady view the situation
How do the polls reflect the position. She may have garnered votes for batting on under such duress and she may not
I wouldn't expect much conference polling boost!
I agree with @Cyclefree. Neither Autism nor Schizophrenia are appropriate terms politically, they are serious mental conditions. Neither should her diabetes nor cough (? ACE inhibitor) be held against her.
Her woeful performance however was self inflicted. And the falling letters...
That ACE inhibitor cough is an absolute nightmare, solved for me by switching to ARBs.
Are there sufficient conservative MP's to send in letters
How does Graham Brady view the situation
How do the polls reflect the position. She may have garnered votes for batting on under such duress and she may not
And the falling letters...
It's actually a little hard to believe it happened if there were not evidence. How many days have they been up with no issue, why that moment to fall off?
Apparently all the standing ovations caused them to fall off. No really.
So if Mrs May didn't have her coughing fits, and the members didn't need to give her all those ovations to recover, they wouldn't have fallen off.
I wish I was making that up.
How can this be real?
I'm almost worried my penis will fall off during the night.
Your penis isn't a magnet, the letters are.
You really know how to boost a man's self-esteem, don't you?
I have grave doubts about Boris but at least he believes what he says. Him or Davis. TMay is not that politician, and never ever will be.
Boris believes what he says? That's my major issue with him since I don't think he does. I think he will say and do anything to get ahead.
Now, to some extent perhaps that is what we need right now, but I don't trust him as far as I could throw him.
Like him or loathe him, Boris really is a eurosceptic. And a reluctant Leaver (like you?).
I am. Perhaps I am unfair, but I don't believe him to be in the same position, I think he and May both would happily have argued the other way. But if May must go now, rather than a year or two, threre are not exactly many great options in fairness.
Are there sufficient conservative MP's to send in letters
How does Graham Brady view the situation
How do the polls reflect the position. She may have garnered votes for batting on under such duress and she may not
I wouldn't expect much conference polling boost!
I agree with @Cyclefree. Neither Autism nor Schizophrenia are appropriate terms politically, they are serious mental conditions. Neither should her diabetes nor cough (? ACE inhibitor) be held against her.
Her woeful performance however was self inflicted. And the falling letters...
For a doctor that is unfair. She had a heavy cold and cough which overtook her due to the length of her speech. I have had similar episodes when public speaking but not as severe.
The falling letters would have been the responsibility of the staging company.
Where I can agree is that it would have been traumatic for her and if I was Philip I would be considering how long she needs to put up with the position.
I know you are a Corbynista but be fair in your anaylsis
I do accept that the dynamic for her has changed today - that's politics
Her speech had a poor first half even before the second half collapse. That was self inflicted and not cough related.
The various farcical elements detract from what was already a pretty uninspiring display.
Are there sufficient conservative MP's to send in letters
How does Graham Brady view the situation
How do the polls reflect the position. She may have garnered votes for batting on under such duress and she may not
And the falling letters...
It's actually a little hard to believe it happened if there were not evidence. How many days have they been up with no issue, why that moment to fall off?
Apparently all the standing ovations caused them to fall off. No really.
So if Mrs May didn't have her coughing fits, and the members didn't need to give her all those ovations to recover, they wouldn't have fallen off.
I wish I was making that up.
How can this be real?
I'm almost worried my penis will fall off during the night.
Your penis isn't a magnet, the letters are.
You really know how to boost a man's self-esteem, don't you?
I was talking literally. Metaphorically I'm sure your penis is a magnet.
Blimey, who could have predicted because of Theresa May's speech I'd be discussing your todger.
Former cabinet minister collecting signatures. Who is it?
Ken Clarke!
No, I guess not. Former Cabinet though, that's an interesting potential twist, not that many ones who were tossed out completely when May took over are there? So unless it's someone from way way back who could it be?
I have grave doubts about Boris but at least he believes what he says. Him or Davis. TMay is not that politician, and never ever will be.
Boris believes what he says? That's my major issue with him since I don't think he does. I think he will say and do anything to get ahead.
Now, to some extent perhaps that is what we need right now, but I don't trust him as far as I could throw him.
Like him or loathe him, Boris really is a eurosceptic. And a reluctant Leaver (like you?).
He's ruthlessly careerist, sure. But he also has definite beliefs. And that's one of them.
Moreover, almost every single fucking senior politician in Britain has lied about Europe (with the possible exception of Ken Clarke), and they've lied for their own reasons (including Boris). Corbyn lied throughout the referendum campaign, and is still lying now. Nick Clegg promised an in/out referendum FFS (when he was sure one would never be called, and he would never be in power to call one)
We could get anything with Boris from full Remain to Dave's deal+ to EEA to CETA+ to No Deal.
I don't trust him.
He'll do whatever is most expedient for him. But, I think I'd still prefer to take that chance to *this*.
I have grave doubts about Boris but at least he believes what he says. Him or Davis. TMay is not that politician, and never ever will be.
Boris believes what he says? That's my major issue with him since I don't think he does. I think he will say and do anything to get ahead.
Now, to some extent perhaps that is what we need right now, but I don't trust him as far as I could throw him.
Like him or loathe him, Boris really is a eurosceptic. And a reluctant Leaver (like you?).
He's ruthlessly careerist, sure. But he also has definite beliefs. And that's one of them.
Moreover, almost every single fucking senior politician in Britain has lied about Europe (with the possible exception of Ken Clarke), and they've lied for their own reasons (including Boris). Corbyn lied throughout the referendum campaign, and is still lying now. Nick Clegg promised an in/out referendum FFS (when he was sure one would never be called, and he would never be in power to call one)
Are there sufficient conservative MP's to send in letters
How does Graham Brady view the situation
How do the polls reflect the position. She may have garnered votes for batting on under such duress and she may not
I wouldn't expect much conference polling boost!
I agree with @Cyclefree. Neither Autism nor Schizophrenia are appropriate terms politically, they are serious mental conditions. Neither should her diabetes nor cough (? ACE inhibitor) be held against her.
Her woeful performance however was self inflicted. And the falling letters...
For a doctor that is unfair. She had a heavy cold and cough which overtook her due to the length of her speech. I have had similar episodes when public speaking but not as severe.
The falling letters would have been the responsibility of the staging company.
Where I can agree is that it would have been traumatic for her and if I was Philip I would be considering how long she needs to put up with the position.
I know you are a Corbynista but be fair in your anaylsis
I do accept that the dynamic for her has changed today - that's politics
Her speech had a poor first half even before the second half collapse. That was self inflicted and not cough related.
The various farcical elements detract from what was already a pretty uninspiring display.
Her speech upto and just after the P45 incident was fine and was going down well, it was her cold and cough that overpowered her having had 24 interviews the day before and 19 today.
Your opinion on uninspiring would be expected from your opposing political spectrum
I have grave doubts about Boris but at least he believes what he says. Him or Davis. TMay is not that politician, and never ever will be.
Boris believes what he says? That's my major issue with him since I don't think he does. I think he will say and do anything to get ahead.
Now, to some extent perhaps that is what we need right now, but I don't trust him as far as I could throw him.
Like him or loathe him, Boris really is a eurosceptic. And a reluctant Leaver (like you?).
He's ruthlessly careerist, sure. But he also has definite beliefs. And that's one of them.
Moreover, almost every single fucking senior politician in Britain has lied about Europe (with the possible exception of Ken Clarke), and they've lied for their own reasons (including Boris). Corbyn lied throughout the referendum campaign, and is still lying now. Nick Clegg promised an in/out referendum FFS (when he was sure one would never be called, and he would never be in power to call one)
You can be in favour of staying in the single market and still be a staunch Eurosceptic. There are quite a few of us on here in exactly that position. Indeed some of the most vocal opponents of the EU like Dr Richard North are in favour of options that keep us in the Single Market.
Are there sufficient conservative MP's to send in letters
How does Graham Brady view the situation
How do the polls reflect the position. She may have garnered votes for batting on under such duress and she may not
And the falling letters...
It's actually a little hard to believe it happened if there were not evidence. How many days have they been up with no issue, why that moment to fall off?
Apparently all the standing ovations caused them to fall off. No really.
So if Mrs May didn't have her coughing fits, and the members didn't need to give her all those ovations to recover, they wouldn't have fallen off.
I wish I was making that up.
How can this be real?
I'm almost worried my penis will fall off during the night.
Your penis isn't a magnet, the letters are.
You really know how to boost a man's self-esteem, don't you?
I was talking literally. Metaphorically I'm sure your penis is a magnet.
Blimey, who could have predicted because of Theresa May's speech I'd be discussing your todger.
Still, it's better than discussing the political situation, right?
Are there sufficient conservative MP's to send in letters
How does Graham Brady view the situation
How do the polls reflect the position. She may have garnered votes for batting on under such duress and she may not
I wouldn't expect much conference polling boost!
I agree with @Cyclefree. Neither Autism nor Schizophrenia are appropriate terms politically, they are serious mental conditions. Neither should her diabetes nor cough (? ACE inhibitor) be held against her.
Her woeful performance however was self inflicted. And the falling letters...
That ACE inhibitor cough is an absolute nightmare, solved for me by switching to ARBs.
They work really well, and are particularly good for protecting kidneys, but the dry cough is a limiting side effect for many.
Boris Johnson isn't serious, as his 10 "point" "plan" demonstrates. Whatever else Brexit needs a serious operator. If you want an available known quantity, it has to be David Davis. He has been living and breathing this stuff for months and has had some of his most egregious illusions knocked out of him. And he is serious.
Are there sufficient conservative MP's to send in letters
How does Graham Brady view the situation
How do the polls reflect the position. She may have garnered votes for batting on under such duress and she may not
And the falling letters...
It's actually a little hard to believe it happened if there were not evidence. How many days have they been up with no issue, why that moment to fall off?
Apparently all the standing ovations caused them to fall off. No really.
So if Mrs May didn't have her coughing fits, and the members didn't need to give her all those ovations to recover, they wouldn't have fallen off.
I wish I was making that up.
How can this be real?
I'm almost worried my penis will fall off during the night.
Your penis isn't a magnet, the letters are.
You really know how to boost a man's self-esteem, don't you?
I was talking literally. Metaphorically I'm sure your penis is a magnet.
Blimey, who could have predicted because of Theresa May's speech I'd be discussing your todger.
Still, it's better than discussing the political situation, right?
Indeed, I get to see Blade Runner 2049 tomorrow, so it isn't all bad.
Boris Johnson isn't serious, as his 10 "point" "plan" demonstrates. Whatever else Brexit needs a serious operator. If you want an available known quantity, it has to be David Davis. He has been living and breathing this stuff for months and has had some of his most egregious illusions knocked out of him. And he is serious.
I would be happy with Davis but then I have been a cheerleader for him for the last 12 years or more.
Are there sufficient conservative MP's to send in letters
How does Graham Brady view the situation
How do the polls reflect the position. She may have garnered votes for batting on under such duress and she may not
I wouldn't expect much conference polling boost!
I agree with @Cyclefree. Neither Autism nor Schizophrenia are appropriate terms politically, they are serious mental conditions. Neither should her diabetes nor cough (? ACE inhibitor) be held against her.
Her woeful performance however was self inflicted. And the falling letters...
That ACE inhibitor cough is an absolute nightmare, solved for me by switching to ARBs.
They work really well, and are particularly good for protecting kidneys, but the dry cough is a limiting side effect for many.
Well I hope my kidneys won't suffer too much as a result of my switch!
Are there sufficient conservative MP's to send in letters
How does Graham Brady view the situation
How do the polls reflect the position. She may have garnered votes for batting on under such duress and she may not
And the falling letters...
It's actually a little hard to believe it happened if there were not evidence. How many days have they been up with no issue, why that moment to fall off?
Apparently all the standing ovations caused them to fall off. No really.
So if Mrs May didn't have her coughing fits, and the members didn't need to give her all those ovations to recover, they wouldn't have fallen off.
I wish I was making that up.
How can this be real?
I'm almost worried my penis will fall off during the night.
Your penis isn't a magnet, the letters are.
You really know how to boost a man's self-esteem, don't you?
I was talking literally. Metaphorically I'm sure your penis is a magnet.
Blimey, who could have predicted because of Theresa May's speech I'd be discussing your todger.
Still, it's better than discussing the political situation, right?
Indeed, I get to see Blade Runner 2049 tomorrow, so it isn't all bad.
Thought I was but will now see it on Friday - I hope it is better than the first, which I saw last week, which honestly (apologies to fans) was underwhelming compared to how it is been sold to me. Hopefully that will be the case with Boris - the flashier, better version of an overhyped May.
Are there sufficient conservative MP's to send in letters
How does Graham Brady view the situation
How do the polls reflect the position. She may have garnered votes for batting on under such duress and she may not
And the falling letters...
It's actually a little hard to believe it happened if there were not evidence. How many days have they been up with no issue, why that moment to fall off?
Apparently all the standing ovations caused them to fall off. No really.
So if Mrs May didn't have her coughing fits, and the members didn't need to give her all those ovations to recover, they wouldn't have fallen off.
I wish I was making that up.
How can this be real?
I'm almost worried my penis will fall off during the night.
Your penis isn't a magnet, the letters are.
You really know how to boost a man's self-esteem, don't you?
I was talking literally. Metaphorically I'm sure your penis is a magnet.
Blimey, who could have predicted because of Theresa May's speech I'd be discussing your todger.
Still, it's better than discussing the political situation, right?
Indeed, I get to see Blade Runner 2049 tomorrow, so it isn't all bad.
Thought I was but will now see it on Friday - I hope it is better than the first, which I saw last week, which honestly (apologies to fans) was underwhelming compared to how it is been sold to me. Hopefully that will be the case with Boris - the flashier, better version of an overhyped May.
Did you watch the theatrical version of the final cut?
May not the only one having problems with signage.....
A plaque has been removed from Canada's Holocaust memorial because it neglected to mention Jewish people.
PM Justin Trudeau opened the National Holocaust Monument last week in the capital Ottawa.
The plaque commemorated the "millions of men, women and children murdered" but did not specifically mention Jewish people or anti-Semitism.
Was red ken responsible for the wording?
I don't follow that at all. The Holocaust killed Gypsies, the gay, the disabled and God knows how many other categories in addition to Jews, and the killing is in each case equally atrocious, so why single out one group?
Are there sufficient conservative MP's to send in letters
How does Graham Brady view the situation
How do the polls reflect the position. She may have garnered votes for batting on under such duress and she may not
And the falling letters...
It's actually a little hard to believe it happened if there were not evidence. How many days have they been up with no issue, why that moment to fall off?
Apparently all the standing ovations caused them to fall off. No really.
So if Mrs May didn't have her coughing fits, and the members didn't need to give her all those ovations to recover, they wouldn't have fallen off.
I wish I was making that up.
How can this be real?
I'm almost worried my penis will fall off during the night.
Your penis isn't a magnet, the letters are.
You really know how to boost a man's self-esteem, don't you?
I was talking literally. Metaphorically I'm sure your penis is a magnet.
Blimey, who could have predicted because of Theresa May's speech I'd be discussing your todger.
Still, it's better than discussing the political situation, right?
Indeed, I get to see Blade Runner 2049 tomorrow, so it isn't all bad.
Thought I was but will now see it on Friday - I hope it is better than the first, which I saw last week, which honestly (apologies to fans) was underwhelming compared to how it is been sold to me. Hopefully that will be the case with Boris - the flashier, better version of an overhyped May.
Did you watch the theatrical version of the final cut?
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Luckily mine was only in front of two colleagues and one customer...
She will be party leader and PM after she resigns until a successor is chosen.
I have stuck up for her many times, but it feels like time is up. We can't go through one of the most important moments in our constitutional history with a PM who doesn't have a vision for the future.
They'll just need to resist talk of needing a personal mandate. Corbyn's a good campaigner, the arguments that resonated for him and didn't work against him will be just as effective, and a new Tory leader who asks parliament to call another election if their polling improves would no doubt find out what happens when you so obviously call an election because you think it will help you personally.
(Probably not, given their track record of reinvention, but twilight of Thatcherism at least - shrinking the state and market is king have had their day.)
Each party – even given their occasionally radioactive levels of self-regard – must be privately gripped by one question: how the hell are we not thrashing this lot?
...
The numbers suggest that at present Labour and the Conservatives are not far from evenly matched, while each side openly professes themselves the natural party of government. Yet, without wishing to go out on a limb here, we might hesitate to characterise them as what is known in fiction as “worthy foes”. You know the sort of thing – they’re such class acts that when they meet in battle, one adversary might break off momentarily to compliment the other’s swordsmanship and say what a shame it is that they’re going to have to kill them.
No, as conference season draws to a close, it feels a stretch to imagine we are watching two equally formidable adversaries grappling at the Reichenbach Falls. Two drunks fighting in a puddle feels more like it. We might get a clear victor, we might not. But let’s not be deluded as to the quality of the spectacle.
Since 2010, 16 seats net have been lost to Labour, and 27 gained from others.
If it is the latter she is hardly likely to hang on for several months which would rather undermine the reason for her going.
Step forward David Davis, First Lord of the Treasury!
Deflated. Resigned.
There were signs for a while that both were going through the motions, pushed on by others, but then the moment came when they could no longer put on the pretense & pull it together on stage.
She's finished.
It would take some kind of immediate major national crisis to save her, and even then there's a good chance she'd give way if asked.
IMO, things will move quickly now.
But the mandate question always comes up when there's a transfer, they have to ignore it. This time it really really is not the time to take another 2-3 months out to focus on an election. Labour will be confident of winning the next GE whenever it is now, so they can rest fairly easy with a handy attack line always to fall back on.
Otherwise what do we have. A PM unable to command a glass of water leading a heavily divided cabinet so that we prepare for no post-Brexit scenario and accidentally fall of the cliff and wake up dead.
For all that was said about Boris the Buffoon London still ran under his mayorship. Britain will still run under his premiership. Just get it done already.
At a bar in the Catalan leader's home region, they clapped respectfully afterwards, happy with their leader and his call for mediation, and then they joked about the Game of Thrones TV series.
"We need a king like Jon Snow who tries to keep his lands together and is with the people," said one woman, laughing.
Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy, by common agreement, was the Night King, wishing eternal winter on Catalonia.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41503429
Honestly, I like Jon Snow, but I really don't recall him doing anything for his people and lands yet.
How long before they are the 4th biggest party in the UK?
Does Philip decide enough is enough for her
Are there sufficient conservative MP's to send in letters
How does Graham Brady view the situation
How do the polls reflect the position. She may have garnered votes for batting on under such duress and she may not
Correction. I have just found out about Johnson's ten point plan. Which in concrete terms consists of abolishing tampon tax, which he can do anyway while in the EU, assuming that's the be all and end all of Brexit. The rest is vague: Brexit will be a success, we will be friends with the Commonwealth, talk about free trade (the Germans do it). If we are relying on Johnson for a brilliant Brexit future, we're fucked, frankly.
I watched a bullfight the other day. She's picador and matador rolled into one. So elegant and precise. She makes Boris look like a calf with a twisted ankle
Now, to some extent perhaps that is what we need right now, but I don't trust him as far as I could throw him.
I agree with @Cyclefree. Neither Autism nor Schizophrenia are appropriate terms politically, they are serious mental conditions. Neither should her diabetes nor cough (? ACE inhibitor) be held against her.
Her woeful performance however was self inflicted. And the falling letters...
So if Mrs May didn't have her coughing fits, and the members didn't need to give her all those ovations to recover, they wouldn't have fallen off.
I wish I was making that up.
My money is on Grant Shapps.
Now, you can survive a lot of things in politics. You can survive anger. You can survive hatred. But you can't survive pity.
Not pity.
The falling letters would have been the responsibility of the staging company.
Where I can agree is that it would have been traumatic for her and if I was Philip I would be considering how long she needs to put up with the position.
I know you are a Corbynista but be fair in your anaylsis
I do accept that the dynamic for her has changed today - that's politics
I'm almost worried my penis will fall off during the night.
Tomorrow, May has to go to HMQ and return the Great Seal. A GE to be called in 4 weeks time.
There is no potential leader to replace May within the Conservative MP's who has the confidence of the majority of them. There is probably no conservative MP who wants the job as they can all recognise a poison chalice of Brexit.
The EU leaders will have watched or found out about her appearance at the conference. Her already diminished reputation has gone even further down, if that is possible.
It might be surprising to some, but I actually believe that a dual or multi party system is good for democracy in that an opposition must be able to question the administration, to discover faults and allow rectification. When the administration, as with the present one, tries to override the opposition, whether within the Commons or Lords, then they have lost the right to govern.
In the words of Margaret Thatcher, "There is no alternative".
Mrs May has unnecessarily pissed off a lot of people.
#Irony
I genuinely wish May well. She didnt deserve this. She's been extremely unlucky. But she just can't do this.
We need national leadership.
The various farcical elements detract from what was already a pretty uninspiring display.
I have only ever seen them glued on
Blimey, who could have predicted because of Theresa May's speech I'd be discussing your todger.
No, I guess not. Former Cabinet though, that's an interesting potential twist, not that many ones who were tossed out completely when May took over are there? So unless it's someone from way way back who could it be?
Soubry? Morgan? Whittingdale? Villiers? Crabb? McLoughlin?
Crabb has run for the top job before, but none of the names are exactly jumping out as credible.
I don't trust him.
He'll do whatever is most expedient for him. But, I think I'd still prefer to take that chance to *this*.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eu-referendum-boris-johnson-brexit-support-single-market-leave-european-union-video-a7089991.html
A plaque has been removed from Canada's Holocaust memorial because it neglected to mention Jewish people.
PM Justin Trudeau opened the National Holocaust Monument last week in the capital Ottawa.
The plaque commemorated the "millions of men, women and children murdered" but did not specifically mention Jewish people or anti-Semitism.
Was red ken responsible for the wording?
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ed/d2/60/edd260e52e0709d9076d61b7553e17a9--terry-gilliam-collage-art.jpg
Your opinion on uninspiring would be expected from your opposing political spectrum
But the comic timing of the falling F was masterly.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/pandora/the-shocking-truth-blair-did-not-lie-about-jackie-milburn-495001.html