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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,619

    viewcode said:

    I'm furious about this opt-out for organs. A Conservative Government nationalising our bodies after we die.

    I only expect that sort of shit from the Left.

    That alone should be reason to topple May.

    I'm not a libertarian, although I have a certain admiration for those rare individuals who can consistently apply the principles. However, you raise a point that I meant to raise with you earlier. The Atlanticist, Thatcherite, low-tax, rational economics, small-government, free-trade principles that you generally espouse don't really have a home in the modern Conservative party. It's got Christian Democrats at one end, interfering busybodies (with the best of motives, naturally) who like spending your money for the greater good, and National Conservative small-towners who are suspicious of outsiders at the other end. We've had seven years of this now, the debt isn't going down, the pound isn't going up, taxes are still referred to as "investment", Help-To-Buy still exists, and now your body isn't your own.

    Be honest. Other than the carriers and Brexit, what was the last government policy that made you mutter "fuck yeah"?
    Brexit is more likely to result in a fortress socialism than free markets, and the carriers come at the cost of losing our amphibious ships and one of the Royal Marine Commandos. The carriers care real white elephants.
    It's not the presence of the carriers per se that's the problem, it's the lack of the necessary support and escort vessels to build a battlegroup around them.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,821
    edited October 2017
    RobD said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Rayner being trashed on - oh guess what - her brief...

    No shes not.
    She just pedled a downright lie. More disadvantaged students are going to university. She got called on it.
    No she said in percentage terms of rhose going to University less disadvantaged which is correct
    https://fullfact.org/education/young-peoples-participation-higher-education/

    'We’ve asked the Labour party what Ms Rayner was referring to when she said the number had gone down. From the measures we’ve looked at, more disadvantaged students than ever are going to university.'
    But a smaller percentage of the total going to University are from disadvantaged backgrounds. Which is what she said. If you dont believe me just rewind QT.
    Because there are fewer people from disadvantaged backgrounds?
    No.

    Because the increase in those going to University is going up faster in the non disadvantaged group than in the disadvantaged group. Which is exactly what AR said if PB Tories are too thick to understand percentages that's hardly a problem for AR
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    RobD said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Rayner being trashed on - oh guess what - her brief...

    No shes not.
    She just pedled a downright lie. More disadvantaged students are going to university. She got called on it.
    No she said in percentage terms of rhose going to University less disadvantaged which is correct
    https://fullfact.org/education/young-peoples-participation-higher-education/

    'We’ve asked the Labour party what Ms Rayner was referring to when she said the number had gone down. From the measures we’ve looked at, more disadvantaged students than ever are going to university.'
    But a smaller percentage of the total going to University are from disadvantaged backgrounds. Which is what she said. If you dont believe me just rewind QT.
    Because there are fewer people from disadvantaged backgrounds?
    No.

    Because the increase in those going to University is going up faster in the non disadvantaged group than in the disadvantaged group. Which is exactly what AS said if PB Tories are too thick to understand percentages that's hardly a problem for AR
    The website Mortimer linked in his earlier comment suggested otherwise, that it is rising faster for the most disadvantaged group.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,625
    dixiedean said:

    At least tonight has seen a lively debate on organ donation and opt outs.

    And yet here in Wales it has been in place since December 2015 and more organs have been donated and more lives saved. To those who object ask how they would feel if an organ donation could save their nearest and dearest.

    Always much more fun when familiar posters form unusual coalitions. Makes one think!
    Indeed - a certain level of surprise has been added in recent days and weeks, in certain areas.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,940
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    dixiedean said:

    You should see the puns I've got planned if Ruth Davidson becomes PM.

    Which reminds me, you can be said to be ruthless, but can you be ruth?

    Reuthe...old English. Pity, compassion.

    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=ruthless
    Thank you.
    Personally, I usually try to be gruntled rather than disgruntled.
    I try to be both shevelled and kempt whilst maintaining achronism.
    Are you ruth?
    One has ruth, not one is ruth.
    Preach.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,940
    In the spirit of concensus

    Claremont (Salford) result:

    LAB: 46.5% (+1.4)
    CON: 29.0% (+9.3)
    IND: 11.1% (+11.1)
    LDEM: 10.5% (+4.4)
    GRN: 3.0% (-2.9)

    No UKIP (-21.7).

    Decent Tory result here. That I was Best Man at the wedding of the candidate's parents is incidental.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    viewcode said:

    dixiedean said:

    You should see the puns I've got planned if Ruth Davidson becomes PM.

    Which reminds me, you can be said to be ruthless, but can you be ruth?

    Reuthe...old English. Pity, compassion.

    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=ruthless
    Thank you.
    Personally, I usually try to be gruntled rather than disgruntled.
    I try to be both shevelled and kempt whilst maintaining achronism.
    Bet you're a lert, too, and live in Tarctica.
    kle4 said:

    MTimT said:

    "The only question being asked that matters in British - nay European - politics tonight: does Mrs May survive?"

    No wonder the Europeans get pissed of with us from time to time. Does Mr Neil not consider that "WTF is going to happen in Catalonia that we'll be forced to take a position on sooner or later even though we really really wish it would just go away?" might matter a bit more to Europeans other than those living on these sceptered isles?

    Yes, because mainland europeans never take an insular view of things, or engage in hyperbolistic reporting of domestic events, it is such a uniquely British trait.

    Hmm, top political story in Le Monde is about Macron merging three departments with the greater paris metroplis if google translate is anything to go by. Another one is about French MEPs and some controvesy over the european flag. The top political on de spiegal seems to be about Merkel's challenge in forming a coalition.

    No no, that cannot be - if a mere commentator in Britain is unusual to take a british centric view, the continent's papers online sites surely would only lead with the real lead stories.

    But that is not what I remarked about, is it? It is natural for news to be slanted locally.

    What Mr Neil said was that it was the only thing that matters in European politics, period. Not the only thing that matters to the British about European politics.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,013
    MTimT said:

    What Mr Neil said was that it was the only thing that matters in European politics, period. Not the only thing that matters to the British about European politics.

    When he was called out on it he started aggressively defending himself based on the qualification 'tonight'.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    I'm furious about this opt-out for organs. A Conservative Government nationalising our bodies after we die.

    I only expect that sort of shit from the Left.

    That alone should be reason to topple May.

    I'm not a libertarian, although I have a certain admiration for those rare individuals who can consistently apply the principles. However, you raise a point that I meant to raise with you earlier. The Atlanticist, Thatcherite, low-tax, rational economics, small-government, free-trade principles that you generally espouse don't really have a home in the modern Conservative party. It's got Christian Democrats at one end, interfering busybodies (with the best of motives, naturally) who like spending your money for the greater good, and National Conservative small-towners who are suspicious of outsiders at the other end. We've had seven years of this now, the debt isn't going down, the pound isn't going up, taxes are still referred to as "investment", Help-To-Buy still exists, and now your body isn't your own.

    Be honest. Other than the carriers and Brexit, what was the last government policy that made you mutter "fuck yeah"?
    Brexit is more likely to result in a fortress socialism than free markets, and the carriers come at the cost of losing our amphibious ships and one of the Royal Marine Commandos. The carriers care real white elephants.
    It's not the presence of the carriers per se that's the problem, it's the lack of the necessary support and escort vessels to build a battlegroup around them.
    We have cut our amphibious capability for an unprotected carrier without escorts. What a mess.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,821
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Rayner being trashed on - oh guess what - her brief...

    No shes not.
    She just pedled a downright lie. More disadvantaged students are going to university. She got called on it.
    No she said in percentage terms of rhose going to University less disadvantaged which is correct
    https://fullfact.org/education/young-peoples-participation-higher-education/

    'We’ve asked the Labour party what Ms Rayner was referring to when she said the number had gone down. From the measures we’ve looked at, more disadvantaged students than ever are going to university.'
    But a smaller percentage of the total going to University are from disadvantaged backgrounds. Which is what she said. If you dont believe me just rewind QT.
    Because there are fewer people from disadvantaged backgrounds?
    No.

    Because the increase in those going to University is going up faster in the non disadvantaged group than in the disadvantaged group. Which is exactly what AS said if PB Tories are too thick to understand percentages that's hardly a problem for AR
    The website Mortimer linked in his earlier comment suggested otherwise, that it is rising faster for the most disadvantaged group.
    You are right it does.

    Goodnight
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    MTimT said:

    viewcode said:

    dixiedean said:

    You should see the puns I've got planned if Ruth Davidson becomes PM.

    Which reminds me, you can be said to be ruthless, but can you be ruth?

    Reuthe...old English. Pity, compassion.

    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=ruthless
    Thank you.
    Personally, I usually try to be gruntled rather than disgruntled.
    I try to be both shevelled and kempt whilst maintaining achronism.
    Bet you're a lert, too, and live in Tarctica.
    kle4 said:

    MTimT said:

    "The only question being asked that matters in British - nay European - politics tonight: does Mrs May survive?"

    No wonder the Europeans get pissed of with us from time to time. Does Mr Neil not consider that "WTF is going to happen in Catalonia that we'll be forced to take a position on sooner or later even though we really really wish it would just go away?" might matter a bit more to Europeans other than those living on these sceptered isles?

    Yes, because mainland europeans never take an insular view of things, or engage in hyperbolistic reporting of domestic events, it is such a uniquely British trait.

    Hmm, top political story in Le Monde is about Macron merging three departments with the greater paris metroplis if google translate is anything to go by. Another one is about French MEPs and some controvesy over the european flag. The top political on de spiegal seems to be about Merkel's challenge in forming a coalition.

    No no, that cannot be - if a mere commentator in Britain is unusual to take a british centric view, the continent's papers online sites surely would only lead with the real lead stories.

    But that is not what I remarked about, is it? It is natural for news to be slanted locally.

    What Mr Neil said was that it was the only thing that matters in European politics, period. Not the only thing that matters to the British about European politics.
    He actually said it was the only thing being asked that matters. A subjective view ;)
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,821
    edited October 2017
    GS claiming some cabinet members want TM gone.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    RobD said:

    MTimT said:

    viewcode said:

    dixiedean said:

    You should see the puns I've got planned if Ruth Davidson becomes PM.

    Which reminds me, you can be said to be ruthless, but can you be ruth?

    Reuthe...old English. Pity, compassion.

    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=ruthless
    Thank you.
    Personally, I usually try to be gruntled rather than disgruntled.
    I try to be both shevelled and kempt whilst maintaining achronism.
    Bet you're a lert, too, and live in Tarctica.
    kle4 said:

    MTimT said:

    "The only question being asked that matters in British - nay European - politics tonight: does Mrs May survive?"

    No wonder the Europeans get pissed of with us from time to time. Does Mr Neil not consider that "WTF is going to happen in Catalonia that we'll be forced to take a position on sooner or later even though we really really wish it would just go away?" might matter a bit more to Europeans other than those living on these sceptered isles?

    Yes, because mainland europeans never take an insular view of things, or engage in hyperbolistic reporting of domestic events, it is such a uniquely British trait.

    Hmm, top political story in Le Monde is about Macron merging three departments with the greater paris metroplis if google translate is anything to go by. Another one is about French MEPs and some controvesy over the european flag. The top political on de spiegal seems to be about Merkel's challenge in forming a coalition.

    No no, that cannot be - if a mere commentator in Britain is unusual to take a british centric view, the continent's papers online sites surely would only lead with the real lead stories.

    But that is not what I remarked about, is it? It is natural for news to be slanted locally.

    What Mr Neil said was that it was the only thing that matters in European politics, period. Not the only thing that matters to the British about European politics.
    He actually said it was the only thing being asked that matters. A subjective view ;)
    Precisely. And exactly why it would piss off other Europeans.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Rayner being trashed on - oh guess what - her brief...

    No shes not.
    She just pedled a downright lie. More disadvantaged students are going to university. She got called on it.
    No she said in percentage terms of rhose going to University less disadvantaged which is correct
    https://fullfact.org/education/young-peoples-participation-higher-education/

    'We’ve asked the Labour party what Ms Rayner was referring to when she said the number had gone down. From the measures we’ve looked at, more disadvantaged students than ever are going to university.'
    But a smaller percentage of the total going to University are from disadvantaged backgrounds. Which is what she said. If you dont believe me just rewind QT.
    Because there are fewer people from disadvantaged backgrounds?
    No.

    Because the increase in those going to University is going up faster in the non disadvantaged group than in the disadvantaged group. Which is exactly what AS said if PB Tories are too thick to understand percentages that's hardly a problem for AR
    The website Mortimer linked in his earlier comment suggested otherwise, that it is rising faster for the most disadvantaged group.
    You are right it does.

    Goodnight
    Arguments ending with a cut and dried result? This will never do...
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,619
    Anyhoo whilst I'm here I have a serious question for you guys. I've had some bad news on the dental front and I'm looking at the cost of dental implants and their associated crowns. I can't see anything in the UK that does implants for less than approx £1800 per tooth and I need it to be £1000 tops. So I'm looking at abroad for the work. Which countries should I be looking at? There is a trade-off in terms of travel (so it's probably not cost-effective to try, say, Chile) so I'm thinking as far east as Turkey, Israel and Russia and as far west as the NAFTA states. Any suggestions would be welcome.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    Wow. Portillo thinks Mrs May is toast.

    Thats enough for me. Out this year it is. Sad.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,821
    Mortimer said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Rayner being trashed on - oh guess what - her brief...

    No shes not.
    She just pedled a downright lie. More disadvantaged students are going to university. She got called on it.
    No she said in percentage terms of rhose going to University less disadvantaged which is correct
    https://fullfact.org/education/young-peoples-participation-higher-education/

    'We’ve asked the Labour party what Ms Rayner was referring to when she said the number had gone down. From the measures we’ve looked at, more disadvantaged students than ever are going to university.'
    But a smaller percentage of the total going to University are from disadvantaged backgrounds. Which is what she said. If you dont believe me just rewind QT.
    Because there are fewer people from disadvantaged backgrounds?
    No.

    Because the increase in those going to University is going up faster in the non disadvantaged group than in the disadvantaged group. Which is exactly what AS said if PB Tories are too thick to understand percentages that's hardly a problem for AR
    The website Mortimer linked in his earlier comment suggested otherwise, that it is rising faster for the most disadvantaged group.
    You are right it does.

    Goodnight
    Arguments ending with a cut and dried result? This will never do...
    Well that fact check says you were right.

    I was wrong.

    Tomorrow's another day goodnight.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    edited October 2017
    There is simple is no appetite among the Conservative Westminster party to ditch Theresa May at this point in the Parliament. They don't want a self indulgent and damaging Leadership contest right now, anymore than they want to land up with one of the also rans that all fell by the way side in the last contest leading us into another GE anytime soon! And it hasn't taken a rocket scientist to work out the likely identity of the small group of MPs making some noise, but who simple don't have anywhere the numbers prepared to follow them over the parapet on this self indulgent and damaging attempted coup either!

    The bottom line is the fact that the current Westminster Conservative party is actually made up of a lot new MPs who have entered Parliament in the last decade or so, and they are far from ready to throw the towel in over either Brexit or being on the Government benches anytime soon! They don't want a divisive has been from any strand of the party landing the Leadership by default as the best of a bad bunch, and then limping onto the next GE. The Parliamentary party made a collective decision in the hours and days following the last GE, they want Theresa May to stay and oversee Brexit. And then they want May to announce her departure at a date that allows for a full Leadership contest, and one that would then allow them to find their own Ruth Davidson from the PCP and then let them bed in before leading them into the next GE.

    If I was Theresa May I would be planning a Government Reshuffle that would reassert her authority, and more importantly to allow some of the rising stars on backbenchers to show their mettle at junior and Cabinet level as Michael Howard did when he resigned and passed on the baton. There has been so much focus on May, but not nearly enough on the underperforming members of her Government at various levels. And far from May being too weak to do this, she does has the authority despite her critics, and because she has the backing of the 1922 committee as well as her backbenchers who are willing her onto to take that step in the coming days and weeks.

    The Westminster Lobby might be gunning for May, but her party are rallying the wagons around her because of that equally ruthless survival streak that has decided that she won't lead them into the next GE, but she will stay until they can find a leader who can.

    As for Boris, if he had any decency, he would have resigned today and apologised to both May and his Party for his behaviour in his resignation letter! Boris is a political maverick, and that no doubt helped him become London Mayor. But he is not a team player, and he lacks the Leadership skills required to become a PM for the many across the UK.
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    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    dixiedean said:

    You should see the puns I've got planned if Ruth Davidson becomes PM.

    Which reminds me, you can be said to be ruthless, but can you be ruth?

    Reuthe...old English. Pity, compassion.

    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=ruthless
    Thank you.
    Personally, I usually try to be gruntled rather than disgruntled.
    I try to be both shevelled and kempt whilst maintaining achronism.
    Are you ruth?
    One has ruth, not one is ruth.
    Um. Are you ruth(less)?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936

    Mortimer said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Rayner being trashed on - oh guess what - her brief...

    No shes not.
    She just pedled a downright lie. More disadvantaged students are going to university. She got called on it.
    No she said in percentage terms of rhose going to University less disadvantaged which is correct
    https://fullfact.org/education/young-peoples-participation-higher-education/

    'We’ve asked the Labour party what Ms Rayner was referring to when she said the number had gone down. From the measures we’ve looked at, more disadvantaged students than ever are going to university.'
    But a smaller percentage of the total going to University are from disadvantaged backgrounds. Which is what she said. If you dont believe me just rewind QT.
    Because there are fewer people from disadvantaged backgrounds?
    No.

    Because the increase in those going to University is going up faster in the non disadvantaged group than in the disadvantaged group. Which is exactly what AS said if PB Tories are too thick to understand percentages that's hardly a problem for AR
    The website Mortimer linked in his earlier comment suggested otherwise, that it is rising faster for the most disadvantaged group.
    You are right it does.

    Goodnight
    Arguments ending with a cut and dried result? This will never do...
    Well that fact check says you were right.

    I was wrong.

    Tomorrow's another day goodnight.
    Ta. Very gracious of you.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,821
    34 names on the list. 14 short
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    I'm furious about this opt-out for organs. A Conservative Government nationalising our bodies after we die.

    I only expect that sort of shit from the Left.

    That alone should be reason to topple May.

    I'm not a libertarian, although I have a certain admiration for those rare individuals who can consistently apply the principles. However, you raise a point that I meant to raise with you earlier. The Atlanticist, Thatcherite, low-tax, rational economics, small-government, free-trade principles that you generally espouse don't really have a home in the modern Conservative party. It's got Christian Democrats at one end, interfering busybodies (with the best of motives, naturally) who like spending your money for the greater good, and National Conservative small-towners who are suspicious of outsiders at the other end. We've had seven years of this now, the debt isn't going down, the pound isn't going up, taxes are still referred to as "investment", Help-To-Buy still exists, and now your body isn't your own.

    Be honest. Other than the carriers and Brexit, what was the last government policy that made you mutter "fuck yeah"?
    Brexit is more likely to result in a fortress socialism than free markets, and the carriers come at the cost of losing our amphibious ships and one of the Royal Marine Commandos. The carriers care real white elephants.
    It's not the presence of the carriers per se that's the problem, it's the lack of the necessary support and escort vessels to build a battlegroup around them.
    Vladinir Putin made (sort of) this point when he contrasted our carriers with his, that is equipped with its own defensive missiles rather than depend on a US-style battlegroup (even it does need its own tug).
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    Yeah right, there is that assumption again that May doesn't have authority over her Cabinet. But what should worry Shapps & Co is the fact that the 1922 Committee & the rest of the backbenchers are giving May the authority to sack disloyal or underperforming Ministers. The grey suits not so much going after May, but instead backing her over the plotters...
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    Mortimer said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Rayner being trashed on - oh guess what - her brief...

    No shes not.
    She just pedled a downright lie. More disadvantaged students are going to university. She got called on it.
    No she said in percentage terms of rhose going to University less disadvantaged which is correct
    https://fullfact.org/education/young-peoples-participation-higher-education/

    'We’ve asked the Labour party what Ms Rayner was referring to when she said the number had gone down. From the measures we’ve looked at, more disadvantaged students than ever are going to university.'
    But a smaller percentage of the total going to University are from disadvantaged backgrounds. Which is what she said. If you dont believe me just rewind QT.
    Because there are fewer people from disadvantaged backgrounds?
    No.

    Because the increase in those going to University is going up faster in the non disadvantaged group than in the disadvantaged group. Which is exactly what AS said if PB Tories are too thick to understand percentages that's hardly a problem for AR
    The website Mortimer linked in his earlier comment suggested otherwise, that it is rising faster for the most disadvantaged group.
    You are right it does.

    Goodnight
    Arguments ending with a cut and dried result? This will never do...
    Well that fact check says you were right.

    I was wrong.

    Tomorrow's another day goodnight.
    If only PB Tories would learn their percentages.... titters.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    Can I choose a defining poll that should have heralded the demise of Jeremy Corbyn as Labour Leader over the last couple years, especially when it was blatently obvious that he had the backing of key Labour membership and the Unions....
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,619

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    I'm furious about this opt-out for organs. A Conservative Government nationalising our bodies after we die.

    I only expect that sort of shit from the Left.

    That alone should be reason to topple May.

    I'm not a libertarian, although I have a certain admiration for those rare individuals who can consistently apply the principles. However, you raise a point that I meant to raise with you earlier. The Atlanticist, Thatcherite, low-tax, rational economics, small-government, free-trade principles that you generally espouse don't really have a home in the modern Conservative party. It's got Christian Democrats at one end, interfering busybodies (with the best of motives, naturally) who like spending your money for the greater good, and National Conservative small-towners who are suspicious of outsiders at the other end. We've had seven years of this now, the debt isn't going down, the pound isn't going up, taxes are still referred to as "investment", Help-To-Buy still exists, and now your body isn't your own.

    Be honest. Other than the carriers and Brexit, what was the last government policy that made you mutter "fuck yeah"?
    Brexit is more likely to result in a fortress socialism than free markets, and the carriers come at the cost of losing our amphibious ships and one of the Royal Marine Commandos. The carriers care real white elephants.
    It's not the presence of the carriers per se that's the problem, it's the lack of the necessary support and escort vessels to build a battlegroup around them.
    Vladinir Putin made (sort of) this point when he contrasted our carriers with his, that is equipped with its own defensive missiles rather than depend on a US-style battlegroup (even it does need its own tug).
    Good point, thank you
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Rayner being trashed on - oh guess what - her brief...

    No shes not.
    She just pedled a downright lie. More disadvantaged students are going to university. She got called on it.
    No she said in percentage terms of rhose going to University less disadvantaged which is correct
    https://fullfact.org/education/young-peoples-participation-higher-education/

    'We’ve asked the Labour party what Ms Rayner was referring to when she said the number had gone down. From the measures we’ve looked at, more disadvantaged students than ever are going to university.'
    But a smaller percentage of the total going to University are from disadvantaged backgrounds. Which is what she said. If you dont believe me just rewind QT.
    Which is also wrong.

    https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-corbyn-wrong-on-working-class-students

    Most official statistics show that the proportion of students at English universities who came from less well-off backgrounds continued to increase even after the coalition government upped tuition fees.

    Why are Labour against more poorer students going to university? Is it because they're only for the middle classes now?
    When have they not been for the middle classes? the 1950s? 1960s? 1970s?
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    Brexitter
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    New words by Sunil, original music by Almond & Ball.

    Friday morning going slow
    I'm watching the election show
    Lots of Ladbrokes slips on the floor
    Memories of the night before
    Out knocking up and having fun
    Now I've stopped reading The Sun
    Waiting for the results to show
    But why I voted no one knows

    Voting, polling
    Blogging, trolling
    And now I'm all alone
    In Brexit Land
    My only home

    I think it's time to write a thread
    To vent the bemusement in my head
    Spent my money on online bookies
    Got nowt here but all the cookies
    Clean my suit and my rosette
    Election promises to forget
    Start campaigning all over again
    Kid myself I'm having fun

    Voting, polling
    Blogging, trolling
    And now I'm all alone
    In Brexit Land
    My only home

    Looking out from my worldview
    I've really nothing else to do
    Seems like I have started fretting
    Let's read Political Betting
    Forget The Mirror and The Times
    The battle bus with such great lines
    Look around and I can see
    A thousand punters just like me

    Voting, polling
    Blogging, trolling
    And now I'm all alone
    In Brexit Land
    My only home

    Voting, polling
    Blogging, trolling
    And now I'm all alone
    In Brexit Land
    My only home

    (I'm waiting for Brexit
    Hope it's not a waste of time)
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    Mortimer said:

    Wow. Portillo thinks Mrs May is toast.

    Thats enough for me. Out this year it is. Sad.

    You do realise that Portillo is the Roger of This Week when it comes to political predictions, seriously, check out some of his best over the last decade...
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,982
    viewcode said:



    It's not the presence of the carriers per se that's the problem, it's the lack of the necessary support and escort vessels to build a battlegroup around them.

    You can tell the RN were and are twitchy about the QE program as even the names of both ships were artfully selected with deliberate intention of making them politically difficult to cancel.

    Ark Royal and either Invincible or Illustrious would have been appropriate names.

    The blended RAF/FAA air wing didn't work with the Harrier (they could only ever generate a handful of deck qualified crew) and it isn't going to work with the F-35 so they are going to the be world's largest and most expensive helicopter carriers most of the time.
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,982



    Vladinir Putin made (sort of) this point when he contrasted our carriers with his, that is equipped with its own defensive missiles rather than depend on a US-style battlegroup (even it does need its own tug).

    You can immediately discount anything Putin says about naval aviation. The Kuznetsov is a 'carrier' only in the sense that it carries aircraft from one place to another eventually. On the recent Syria deployment the 'air wing' (which consists of 8 aircraft although they flamed out 2 and lost them in the Med) deployed ashore and operated from Kheimim.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    IIRC Grant Shapps's majority was cut almost in half at the last election.
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    OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    viewcode said:

    Anyhoo whilst I'm here I have a serious question for you guys. I've had some bad news on the dental front and I'm looking at the cost of dental implants and their associated crowns. I can't see anything in the UK that does implants for less than approx £1800 per tooth and I need it to be £1000 tops. So I'm looking at abroad for the work. Which countries should I be looking at? There is a trade-off in terms of travel (so it's probably not cost-effective to try, say, Chile) so I'm thinking as far east as Turkey, Israel and Russia and as far west as the NAFTA states. Any suggestions would be welcome.

    Czech Republic seems to have a good reputation, although you may need to research individual businesses for reputation and results. Plus reasonable hotels and cheap beer. Been starting to look for similar reasons. UK dentists are getting too expensive (someone I know was on holiday in California and needed emergency dental treatment, and because the cost was lower than the treatment back here, ended up with his whole mouth being sorted - his word, I didn't get to see the bill, but I did need sunglasses when he smiled)
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,625
    MTimT said:

    viewcode said:

    dixiedean said:

    You should see the puns I've got planned if Ruth Davidson becomes PM.

    Which reminds me, you can be said to be ruthless, but can you be ruth?

    Reuthe...old English. Pity, compassion.

    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=ruthless
    Thank you.
    Personally, I usually try to be gruntled rather than disgruntled.
    I try to be both shevelled and kempt whilst maintaining achronism.
    Bet you're a lert, too, and live in Tarctica.
    kle4 said:

    MTimT said:

    "The only question being asked that matters in British - nay European - politics tonight: does Mrs May survive?"

    No wonder the Europeans get pissed of with us from time to time. Does Mr Neil not consider that "WTF is going to happen in Catalonia that we'll be forced to take a position on sooner or later even though we really really wish it would just go away?" might matter a bit more to Europeans other than those living on these sceptered isles?

    Yes, because mainland europeans never take an insular view of things, or engage in hyperbolistic reporting of domestic events, it is such a uniquely British trait.

    Hmm, top political story in Le Monde is about Macron merging three departments with the greater paris metroplis if google translate is anything to go by. Another one is about French MEPs and some controvesy over the european flag. The top political on de spiegal seems to be about Merkel's challenge in forming a coalition.

    No no, that cannot be - if a mere commentator in Britain is unusual to take a british centric view, the continent's papers online sites surely would only lead with the real lead stories.

    But that is not what I remarked about, is it? It is natural for news to be slanted locally.

    What Mr Neil said was that it was the only thing that matters in European politics, period. Not the only thing that matters to the British about European politics.
    Splitting hairs - he made a hyperbolistic statement which you are taking overly literally, as well as out of context, and then attributing as a national characteristic to be ashamed about. Preposterous stuff, frankly.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,619
    edited October 2017
    OchEye said:

    viewcode said:

    Anyhoo whilst I'm here I have a serious question for you guys. I've had some bad news on the dental front and I'm looking at the cost of dental implants and their associated crowns. I can't see anything in the UK that does implants for less than approx £1800 per tooth and I need it to be £1000 tops. So I'm looking at abroad for the work. Which countries should I be looking at? There is a trade-off in terms of travel (so it's probably not cost-effective to try, say, Chile) so I'm thinking as far east as Turkey, Israel and Russia and as far west as the NAFTA states. Any suggestions would be welcome.

    Czech Republic seems to have a good reputation, although you may need to research individual businesses for reputation and results. Plus reasonable hotels and cheap beer. Been starting to look for similar reasons. UK dentists are getting too expensive (someone I know was on holiday in California and needed emergency dental treatment, and because the cost was lower than the treatment back here, ended up with his whole mouth being sorted - his word, I didn't get to see the bill, but I did need sunglasses when he smiled)
    Thank you. I'll bear that in mind. I agree that the UK costs are ridiculous - £2K per tooth? For a full set of 32 teeth that's 64K, or 3 times the average salary. That is fraking ridiculous, I mean really.

    I was thinking Israel or Turkey: rarely thought of in a medical tourism context, but basically first-world standards. But Czechia may be better and cheaper, so I'll look at that.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,619
    Dura_Ace said:

    viewcode said:



    It's not the presence of the carriers per se that's the problem, it's the lack of the necessary support and escort vessels to build a battlegroup around them.

    You can tell the RN were and are twitchy about the QE program as even the names of both ships were artfully selected with deliberate intention of making them politically difficult to cancel.

    Ark Royal and either Invincible or Illustrious would have been appropriate names.

    The blended RAF/FAA air wing didn't work with the Harrier (they could only ever generate a handful of deck qualified crew) and it isn't going to work with the F-35 so they are going to the be world's largest and most expensive helicopter carriers most of the time.
    Thank you.
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    edited October 2017
    @viewcode
    Rod Crosby mentioned these people for dental work. IIRC, he spoke well of them and got a lot of work done.

    http://www.dentalholiday.co.uk/
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Nigelb said:

    Charles said:

    Macron tells french workers theyre lazy bastards

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/05/emmanuel-macron-sparks-furore-telling-protesting-workers-stop/

    have to agree, I used to own the factory !

    Higher productivity than here though.
    What is your view on the organ donor scheme
    I am opposed to the proposal.

    Organ donation is an altruistic act, but the state presuming ownership is a different matter.

    I also do not want to take organs over relatives objections, and if the relatives approve there is no need for a change in the law. The last time organs were taken without consent an masse resulted in the Alder Hey organ scandal.
    If you have a moment take a look at Hansa Medical. Expensive but cool technology
    Interesting company.
    What do you make of Ablynx ?

    Antibody fragments have been the next big thing for a decade, but haven't spent enough time with ablynx recently to have much of a view eyond that they seem to be making progress with their science
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Rayner being trashed on - oh guess what - her brief...

    No shes not.
    She just pedled a downright lie. More disadvantaged students are going to university. She got called on it.
    No she said in percentage terms of rhose going to University less disadvantaged which is correct
    That's an idiotic argument

    If all the disadvantaged people in the country went to university and you added one more non-disadvantaged person then the percentage disadvantaged would go down. And you think that's a bad thing?
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    RoyalBlue said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    viewcode said:

    I'm furious about this opt-out for organs. A Conservative Government nationalising our bodies after we die.

    I only expect that sort of shit from the Left.

    That alone should be reason to topple May.

    I'm not a libertarian, although I have a certain admiration for those rare individuals who can consistently apply the principles. However, you raise a point that I meant to raise with you earlier. The Atlanticist, Thatcherite, low-tax, rational economics, small-government, free-trade principles that you generally espouse don't really have a home in the modern Conservative party. It's got Christian Democrats at one end, interfering busybodies (with the best of motives, naturally) who like spending your money for the greater good, and National Conservative small-towners who are suspicious of outsiders at the other end. We've had seven years of this now, the debt isn't going down, the pound isn't going up, taxes are still referred to as "investment", Help-To-Buy still exists, and now your body isn't your own.

    Be honest. Other than the carriers and Brexit, what was the last government policy that made you mutter "fuck yeah"?
    The Conservative Party has always been a coalition. We are held together by belief in the Crown and the Union, the Empire now being moot.

    We can argue about the rest.
    Ah our beloved Hanoverian royal family. So not all things German are bad ;)
    The Royal Family are a model of integration and assimilation, although it certainly wasn’t instant.
    Well it took the Normans at least 300 years to assimilate, and some would argue they still haven't managed to properly!
    Why would we want to?

    :neutral:
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    viewcode said:

    Anyhoo whilst I'm here I have a serious question for you guys. I've had some bad news on the dental front and I'm looking at the cost of dental implants and their associated crowns. I can't see anything in the UK that does implants for less than approx £1800 per tooth and I need it to be £1000 tops. So I'm looking at abroad for the work. Which countries should I be looking at? There is a trade-off in terms of travel (so it's probably not cost-effective to try, say, Chile) so I'm thinking as far east as Turkey, Israel and Russia and as far west as the NAFTA states. Any suggestions would be welcome.

    Israel has some good low cost implant manufacturers (MIS) if that helps...
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    New thread...
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    A typically bold statement by OGM in his assessment that Mrs May will quit either on grounds of ill health *cough* or that she will face a confidence motion and that Boris will NOT succeed her as the next Tory Leader - this is the stuff of which PB.com is made and there are certainly plenty of betting opportunities in that potential mix for those who ignored the very much more attractive odds which were available just a few days ago.
    Personally, I agree with Mr Smithson on the first count (i.e. on La May going), but I'm less sure about Boris not becoming the next leader. Until recently, I felt certain that he had burnt his boats with some truly dreadful interviews, but now I feel he might be seen for all his many imperfections as being the Tories last realistic chance of clinging onto power.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,153
    kle4 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    brendan16 said:

    Scott_P said:
    You do wonder why she wants to put herself through this all when she could retire to her nice house in Sonning with her husband and live a comfortable retirement - maybe supplemented by the odd job on a company board or two or an international body and some money on the speech circuit
    The speech circuit!?
    Well, perhaps the offers wouldn't be flooding in right at this moment, but these bankers and financiers and the rest seem to adore paying absurd amounts of money to hear mediocre public speakers talk at them for an hour, so I'm sure she could get some bookings.
    Oh I do hope you’re right about those bankers. My new freelance career depends on it!
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    Ben Stokes will not travel to Australia
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