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SystemSystem Posts: 11,007
edited November 2017 in General

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The first sexual harassment allegations against individuals MPs were made last Sunday. Now this. pic.twitter.com/MSFCK3Iwta

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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    First!
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,924
    Second, but that’s all for now. Off to the gym. Can’t find any more excuses not to go!
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,847
    edited November 2017
    Bronze medal. Well done Ms Cyclefree.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @BBCJLandale: @patel4witham to issue a statement outlining 12 separate meetings and engagements during her holiday to Israel
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,703
    Spot on, Cyclefree.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    edited November 2017

    The problem with "I'm sorry" is that it is taken as a full admission of guilt for anything vaguely related to the original complaint.

    Even if someone is genuinely sorry, they cannot take the risk.

    Now if "I'm sorry, I won't do it again" was followed by "You're forgiven" then we might see it being used a bit more.


    PS Thanks Cyclefree
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Brilliant. That is all.

    (Oh - not quite all: thanks, too).
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,294
    O tempora o mores!

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/927533092721569793
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,294
    On topic, this was a joy to publish.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,945
    Ms Cyclefree. Thanks for some non-partisan common sense. And for raising some smiles at a depressing time for our body politic.
    Chapeau.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    "Sorry" - seems to be the hardest word.....
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/samuelmarclowe/status/927532708871528448
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    "Extreme pornography" - that which is somewhere between "not to be shared with the vicar" and illegal. No-one admits to having seen it, but everyone seems to have a pretty shrewd idea what it is.

    Probably not grounds for resigning.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    O tempora o mores!

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/927533092721569793

    They may well get both, of course.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    I saw this and thought of pb....Throws hand grenade and runs away..

    https://youtu.be/Nd-9op64t2M
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,226
    OldKingCole said:

    Second, but that’s all for now. Off to the gym. Can’t find any more excuses not to go!

    Had you been keeping up you would surely be busy changing all of your passwords....?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/pswidlicki/status/927497622297989120
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,294
    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/927539284969771008
    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/927539466092367879
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,226
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/samuelmarclowe/status/927532708871528448

    Yes, we are all just itching to start eating America's chemical food....
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    anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,578
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    O tempora o mores!

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/927533092721569793

    At this rate Corbyn will soon have a Blair-style centrist coalition of interests backing him.

    Who would have thought that Corbyn's Labour Party would be more closely aligned with the interests of the CBI than the Tories?

    Extraordinary.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,576
    A report: What a person who had nothing to with the original events has to present to Parliament and/or the media many years later. See the Savile Inquiry Report.


    Edit If producing satisfactory outcome rewarded with entirely coincidentally results in peerage for author
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,226
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I saw this and thought of pb....Throws hand grenade and runs away..

    https://youtu.be/Nd-9op64t2M

    A good clear critique of FPTnP, but the comments about AV are wrong and he doesn't appear to understand STV that much.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    edited November 2017
    IanB2 said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/samuelmarclowe/status/927532708871528448

    Yes, we are all just itching to start eating America's chemical food....
    I would be more worried about the high levels of fructose corn syrup. The average American eats about a kilo per month of this stuff embedded in food. It has been associated with many poor health conditions.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,226
    anothernick said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    O tempora o mores!

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/927533092721569793

    At this rate Corbyn will soon have a Blair-style centrist coalition of interests backing him.

    Who would have thought that Corbyn's Labour Party would be more closely aligned with the interests of the CBI than the Tories?

    Extraordinary.
    Yep, Brexit will destroy much of the Tories' core constituency. And the party hierarchy absolutely hates even looking at what its new pro-Brexit C2DE voters might actually want on the economy.

    A story that will run and run over coming years...
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/pswidlicki/status/927497622297989120

    That cannot be right. It must be a lie. They are so dependent on us and they will be pressuring their govts to give us whatever we want.

    I have been repeatedly assured that we can have our cake and eat it too....

    :facepalm:
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Jeremy Corbyn’s office has been forced to clarify a statement from the Labour leader after he appeared to suggest the Queen should apologise after the papers revealed that part of her wealth was invested offshore. His spokesman said: “Jeremy did not call for the Queen to apologise, but said anyone who puts money into a tax haven to avoid paying tax should.”
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,378
    Categorically denial ... A stated belief that there is no irrefutable proof.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/927542294286405634
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    And May is safe...

    https://twitter.com/dpjhodges/status/927542772281815041
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    MarqueeMark said:

    "Extreme pornography" - that which is somewhere between "not to be shared with the vicar" and illegal. No-one admits to having seen it, but everyone seems to have a pretty shrewd idea what it is.

    Probably not grounds for resigning.

    Bear in mind that "extreme pornography" is the legal term for porn that is illegal to possess in the UK which isn't child pornography. It's things like severe harm-causing BDSM, "snuff" and beastiality. Presumably we're not talking about anything that bad in this case or else collars would have been felt.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,378
    Beverley_C said:

    IanB2 said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/samuelmarclowe/status/927532708871528448

    Yes, we are all just itching to start eating America's chemical food....
    I would be more worried about the high levels of fructose corn syrup. The average American eats about a kilo per month of this stuff embedded in food. It has been associated with many poor health conditions.
    Like death ?
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,157
    CarlottaVance said:

    A report: What a person who had nothing to with the original events has to present to Parliament and/or the media many years later. See the Savile Inquiry Report.


    Edit If producing satisfactory outcome rewarded with entirely coincidentally results in peerage for author

    Very good.

    I could have added many more e.g. Conclusions - Usually written before the inquiry has heard any evidence and the only parts of the report which are read by anyone other than the author.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,799
    rpjs said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    "Extreme pornography" - that which is somewhere between "not to be shared with the vicar" and illegal. No-one admits to having seen it, but everyone seems to have a pretty shrewd idea what it is.

    Probably not grounds for resigning.

    Bear in mind that "extreme pornography" is the legal term for porn that is illegal to possess in the UK which isn't child pornography. It's things like severe harm-causing BDSM, "snuff" and beastiality. Presumably we're not talking about anything that bad in this case or else collars would have been felt.
    Stuff like Operation Spanner.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,378
    Here are six phrases, chosen entirely at random, also in need of more clear definitions...

    The culture has changed

    What might have been acceptable 10, 15 years ago

    Parliament now needs to look at itself

    conduct needs to be improved.

    I have fallen below the high standards that we require of the armed forces

    I have reflected on my position
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,799

    "Up to .... thousand people might be affected" = "This is pure guesswork on my part."
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,799
    "Stakeholders" = "Nuisances".
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,847
    rpjs said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    "Extreme pornography" - that which is somewhere between "not to be shared with the vicar" and illegal. No-one admits to having seen it, but everyone seems to have a pretty shrewd idea what it is.

    Probably not grounds for resigning.

    Bear in mind that "extreme pornography" is the legal term for porn that is illegal to possess in the UK which isn't child pornography. It's things like severe harm-causing BDSM, "snuff" and beastiality. Presumably we're not talking about anything that bad in this case or else collars would have been felt.
    It’s a very specific legal definition, which considerably postdates the Damien Green raids from nearly a decade ago.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,157
    Nigelb said:

    Here are six phrases, chosen entirely at random, also in need of more clear definitions...

    The culture has changed

    What might have been acceptable 10, 15 years ago

    Parliament now needs to look at itself

    conduct needs to be improved.

    I have fallen below the high standards that we require of the armed forces

    I have reflected on my position

    The culture has changed. "I can't get away with this anymore"

    What might have been acceptable 10, 15 years ago. "My lawyer drafted this."

    Parliament now needs to look at itself. "Will this go away if we set up an inquiry?"

    Conduct needs to be improved. "We must make sure not to get caught again."

    I have fallen below the high standards that we require of the armed forces. "By the time anyone works out what this means this unfortunate affair will have been forgotten."

    I have reflected on my position. "My wife has been shouting at me all weekend."
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,287
    Sociable and clubbable. Enjoys female company over a few drinks. Can become confused, tired and over emotional later.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Sandpit said:

    It’s a very specific legal definition, which considerably postdates the Damien Green raids from nearly a decade ago.

    https://twitter.com/profchalmers/status/926934116347645954

    @ProfChalmers: But that legislation did not come into force until early 2009, and could not apply here.

    @ProfChalmers: (The legislation had been passed before the office raid, so the term was legally meaningful even then - but it wasn't yet in force.)
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SamCoatesTimes: Senior Tories say Priti should be "toast" and is guilty of breach of ministerial code

    If May had any gumption she would sack Priti and BoZo today, but she won't.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,294
    Lay Priti Patel for next Tory Leader/PM
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    anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,578
    "We are going to consult on these proposals" = "we know they aren't popular but we're going to implement them anyway"

    "We have not been consulted" = "we have not been agreed with"
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    edited November 2017
    Nigelb said:

    Beverley_C said:

    IanB2 said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/samuelmarclowe/status/927532708871528448

    Yes, we are all just itching to start eating America's chemical food....
    I would be more worried about the high levels of fructose corn syrup. The average American eats about a kilo per month of this stuff embedded in food. It has been associated with many poor health conditions.
    Like death ?
    Food in the US just tastes more chemically than it does in Europe. I'm sure it's one of the reasons American life expectancy is less than in the EU.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Chakrabarti Is going to conduct an independent investigation = shortages of whitewash at B&Q
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,966
    Safe pair of hands: not a safe pair of hands, in fact you don't want to get anywhere near these hands.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,157
    "Let me be clear" - "I'm going to be anything but."
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,907
    edited November 2017
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Lay Priti Patel for next Tory Leader/PM

    This is quite something if accurate:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/927540756402884608?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DN9JRVOXkAEudog?format=jpg
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,294
    edited November 2017
    rkrkrk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Lay Priti Patel for next Tory Leader/PM

    This is quite something if accurate:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/927540756402884608?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
    @Barristerblog: Priti Pratel's "clarification" statement reads as though it was drafted by Private Eye.
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    edited November 2017
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rkrkrk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Lay Priti Patel for next Tory Leader/PM

    This is quite something if accurate:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/927540756402884608?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
    rkrkrk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Lay Priti Patel for next Tory Leader/PM

    This is quite something if accurate:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/927540756402884608?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
    @Barristerblog: Priti Pratel's "clarification" statement reads as though it was drafted by Private Eye.
    50-1 still .Surely now should be double that for next PM.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,907
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rkrkrk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Lay Priti Patel for next Tory Leader/PM

    This is quite something if accurate:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/927540756402884608?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
    rkrkrk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Lay Priti Patel for next Tory Leader/PM

    This is quite something if accurate:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/927540756402884608?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
    @Barristerblog: Priti Pratel's "clarification" statement reads as though it was drafted by Private Eye.
    Private Eye literally could just reprint that.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    Stay classy, ATP....

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/41883462
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    anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,578
    Opponents = members of other parties
    Enemies = rivals in the same party
    On our side = in our faction
    A loony = not in our faction
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,249
    Very good.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,294
    @juliamacfarlane:

    State of the UK Govt right now:

    Foreign Sec gaffe may cost UK citizen extra 5 years in Iran jail

    Minister under fire for meeting w Netanyahu brokered by lobbyist without telling FCO

    Deputy PM under investigation for extreme porn

    Defence Sec quit amid sex misconduct claims
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,907
    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Senior Tories say Priti should be "toast" and is guilty of breach of ministerial code

    If May had any gumption she would sack Priti and BoZo today, but she won't.

    Sack her and promote Rory!
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    edited November 2017
    Resign?
    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/927553311871520768
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,249
    Very good.

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    rkrkrk said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Senior Tories say Priti should be "toast" and is guilty of breach of ministerial code

    If May had any gumption she would sack Priti and BoZo today, but she won't.

    Sack her and promote Rory!
    Frank Underwood has more chance of getting a gig at the top table than Rory Stewart.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    You really have to work at it to make Boris look like the one who follows correct procedures.
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    rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    On topic, maybe the last politician to resign as a matter of honour was Lord Carrington in 1982. He felt that the F.O. (N.B. means Foreign Office) had been poorly-prepared and that this had contributed to the Falklands invasion. I don't think the SoS for Defence resigned.

    Carrington's now 98 and has been in the Lords since 1945, i.e. a longer career than the queen. So maybe behaving honourably is good for your health and career.

    You missed out the phrase 'this must never happen again'?

    Meaning: 'this must never happen again in my term of office, at least not before I resign/retire and draw my gold-plated, index-linked, final salary pension'.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,027
    Priti Patel should just go for it at this point.

    Blame Boris for the Israel mix up. Say they are making a mess of Brexit, and challenge for the leadership.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,847
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rkrkrk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Lay Priti Patel for next Tory Leader/PM

    This is quite something if accurate:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/927540756402884608?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
    @Barristerblog: Priti Pratel's "clarification" statement reads as though it was drafted by Private Eye.
    Did we define “sub-optimal” yet?

    Ms Patel admits that the failure to differentiate between business and holiday interests was sub-optimal.
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,976
    Government is spontaneously combusting it would seem. Can't go on.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,966
    I think it's time to stop treating this fuckwit as a joke.

    https://twitter.com/aishagani/status/927543017426374657
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    anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,578
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @juliamacfarlane:

    State of the UK Govt right now:

    Foreign Sec gaffe may cost UK citizen extra 5 years in Iran jail

    Minister under fire for meeting w Netanyahu brokered by lobbyist without telling FCO

    Deputy PM under investigation for extreme porn

    Defence Sec quit amid sex misconduct claims

    Then of course we have the second-order problems

    slowing economy

    Brexit off the rails

    NI assembly tottering

    Universal credit

    Creaking NHS

    Falling living standards
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,847
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Senior Tories say Priti should be "toast" and is guilty of breach of ministerial code

    If May had any gumption she would sack Priti and BoZo today, but she won't.

    Sack her and promote Rory!
    Frank Underwood has more chance of getting a gig at the top table than Rory Stewart.
    Kevin Spacey has more chance of handing out the awards at the Boys’ Brigade Annual Meeting...?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,969
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    I would like to humbly request the addition of a comma to the penultimate sentence to clarify would might otherwise be considered an unorthodox proclivity.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,916
    Patel should go.

    It's either a deliberate act or incompetence. If deliberate, she has no place in government. If incompetence, she should be nowhere near government.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,251
    Margaret Hodge being interviewed on the Paradise Papers was critical of the investment but said that the Treasury should have known as they have authority over the Duchy of Lancaster Fund and should have intervened.

    Unfortunately for her it took place in 2005 under her labour government
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,907
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Senior Tories say Priti should be "toast" and is guilty of breach of ministerial code

    If May had any gumption she would sack Priti and BoZo today, but she won't.

    Sack her and promote Rory!
    Frank Underwood has more chance of getting a gig at the top table than Rory Stewart.
    Im more saying it because it would be good for my book...
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    anothernick said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @juliamacfarlane:

    State of the UK Govt right now:

    Foreign Sec gaffe may cost UK citizen extra 5 years in Iran jail

    Minister under fire for meeting w Netanyahu brokered by lobbyist without telling FCO

    Deputy PM under investigation for extreme porn

    Defence Sec quit amid sex misconduct claims

    Then of course we have the second-order problems

    slowing economy

    Brexit off the rails

    NI assembly tottering

    Universal credit

    Creaking NHS

    Falling living standards
    Except it isn't.....
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,294
    If the government was a dog, you'd take it out into the woods and shoot it.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,226
    edited November 2017
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Lay Priti Patel for next Tory Leader/PM

    I laid her some time back.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Margaret Hodge being interviewed on the Paradise Papers was critical of the investment but said that the Treasury should have known as they have authority over the Duchy of Lancaster Fund and should have intervened.

    Unfortunately for her it took place in 2005 under her labour government

    Is this the same Margaret Hodge?

    A prominent Labour politician and a fierce critic of tax avoidance has been accused of hypocrisy after receiving shares in a family company from a foundation based in a tax haven.

    https://www.ft.com/content/4d9e16b4-ee3d-11e4-98f9-00144feab7de
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,251
    JosiasJessop said:

    Patel should go.

    It's either a deliberate act or incompetence. If deliberate, she has no place in government. If incompetence, she should be nowhere near government.

    Has she been referred to the Ministerial code - and by the way I do not rate her as a future PM
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Margaret Hodge being interviewed on the Paradise Papers was critical of the investment but said that the Treasury should have known as they have authority over the Duchy of Lancaster Fund and should have intervened.

    Unfortunately for her it took place in 2005 under her labour government

    Ouch!
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,027
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    If the government was a dog, you'd take it out into the woods and shoot it.

    Is Theresa May reprising Jane Fonda's role in 'They Shoot Horses, Don't They?'?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    rkrkrk said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Senior Tories say Priti should be "toast" and is guilty of breach of ministerial code

    If May had any gumption she would sack Priti and BoZo today, but she won't.

    Sack her and promote Rory!
    Frank Underwood has more chance of getting a gig at the top table than Rory Stewart.
    Im more saying it because it would be good for my book...
    I don't disagree, but for some unknown reason the powers that be don't want him anywhere near the levers of power.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,251
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Margaret Hodge being interviewed on the Paradise Papers was critical of the investment but said that the Treasury should have known as they have authority over the Duchy of Lancaster Fund and should have intervened.

    Unfortunately for her it took place in 2005 under her labour government

    Is this the same Margaret Hodge?

    A prominent Labour politician and a fierce critic of tax avoidance has been accused of hypocrisy after receiving shares in a family company from a foundation based in a tax haven.

    https://www.ft.com/content/4d9e16b4-ee3d-11e4-98f9-00144feab7de
    Yes and she muttered some obscure comments when she was challenged on it
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,924
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/samuelmarclowe/status/927532708871528448

    All treaties are denuding of sovereignty, in that they "bind" future parliaments and governments.

    Trade agreements, that prevent us (for example) being able to mandate how food is labelled, or from having our own standards for food sold in our country, are just one example of this.

    And this is why pretty much all treaties contain binding dispute resolution mechanisms. Don't honour our treaty agreements to the ITU: there's a binding mechanism to force us to change.

    We need to be realistic about this. The US uses ISDS tribunals, which tend to meet in secret and contain a majority of US judges, as their dispute resolution mechanism. And this is one of the reasons why they have so few free trade agreements. (Plus they've tended to write in a requirement that other countries keep their IP laws in lockstep with the US.)

    For these reasons, I would be very surprised if we entered into an FTA with the US any time soon. Our priority must be in replicating the EU's existing agreements with the US, that cover mutual recognition of standards and double taxation. On the tax side, without these agreements being replicated, there either has to be (a) an increase in UK executive power to allow HMRC to ignore existing laws regarding third parties, or (b) real issues for firms that do business in both the US and the UK.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,157
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    I would like to humbly request the addition of a comma to the penultimate sentence to clarify would might otherwise be considered an unorthodox proclivity.


    Well spotted. Perhaps "porn and cat videos" is a form of "extreme" porn? Not so much kinky sex as kitty sex.....

    Yes, my coat is nearby.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,251
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    If the government was a dog, you'd take it out into the woods and shoot it.

    The problem is you need to do the same to the opposition
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,969
    F1: confirmation of Lando Norris' promotion to reserve driver for McLaren next year:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/41888988
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,027
    rcs1000 said:

    Our priority must be in replicating the EU's existing agreements with the US...

    The problem is that once you through everything up in the air, you reopen all the politically difficult compromises that have taken years to become established. Even replicating exiting agreements becomes problematic even on our side, let alone a third party that has little interest in facilitating an orderly Brexit.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,249
    I somehow duplicated my "very good" post which, considering how good @Cyclefree's post was, is probably appropriate.

    (And this makes it a third time...)
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,251
    Cyclefree said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    I would like to humbly request the addition of a comma to the penultimate sentence to clarify would might otherwise be considered an unorthodox proclivity.


    Well spotted. Perhaps "porn and cat videos" is a form of "extreme" porn? Not so much kinky sex as kitty sex.....

    Yes, my coat is nearby.
    As a very new police officer in Edinburgh in the 1960's I was shown extreme porn that had been confiscated included animal and cats and I cannot say how shocked and disgusted I was.

    I do believe the police officers involved in investigating illegal and child abuse porn must have a switch that enables them to detach themselves from what they are looking at.

    Not a job most would want to do
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    anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,578
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    anothernick said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @juliamacfarlane:

    State of the UK Govt right now:

    Foreign Sec gaffe may cost UK citizen extra 5 years in Iran jail

    Minister under fire for meeting w Netanyahu brokered by lobbyist without telling FCO

    Deputy PM under investigation for extreme porn

    Defence Sec quit amid sex misconduct claims

    Then of course we have the second-order problems

    slowing economy

    Brexit off the rails

    NI assembly tottering

    Universal credit

    Creaking NHS

    Falling living standards
    Except it isn't.....
    Economic growth

    2015 - 2.2%
    2016 - 1.8%
    2017 - 1.6%
    2018 - 1.0%

    2017 & 2018 are OECD forecasts
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn appeared to suggest earlier that the Queen should apologise over the revelation that £10m ($13m) of her private money was invested offshore, before his team rowed back, saying that wasn't what he meant.

    Have team twat released they have overreached?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn appeared to suggest earlier that the Queen should apologise over the revelation that £10m ($13m) of her private money was invested offshore, before his team rowed back, saying that wasn't what he meant.

    Have team twat released they have overreached?

    No, they have realised it happened on Labour's watch!
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    PendduPenddu Posts: 265
    dr_spyn said:

    Sociable and clubbable. Baby Seal

    Fixed..
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,161
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Patel should go.

    It's either a deliberate act or incompetence. If deliberate, she has no place in government. If incompetence, she should be nowhere near government.

    Has she been referred to the Ministerial code - and by the way I do not rate her as a future PM
    Can someone fill me in on this one? I have been away from the computer.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,969
    edited November 2017
    Patel will be fine. Boris' total ****ing incompetence will eclipse her meeting.

    Edited extra bit: no markets beyond winner up yet, but intrigued Betfair has Verstappen shorter than Vettel (Ladbrokes has the German 4.33, the Dutchman 4.5).
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited November 2017
    Sources say the “disturbing material” allegedly found on Mr Green’s computer was referred by cops to then Director of Public Prosecutions Sir Keir Starmer.

    He ruled it was not criminal and no further action was taken.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4849266/mp-sex-scandal-damian-green-porn-computer-referred-to-cps/

    If this is all the case, there must be a whole paper trail...If Green's denial turns out not to be 100% truthful, could that not be a tad problematic.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Thread...

    https://twitter.com/jonlis1/status/927551446186450944
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,576
    Full and frank disclosure we don’t think they’ve got any more dirt than has already been published but are keeping our fingers crossed for the Sundays....
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Scott_P said:

    Thread...

    https://twitter.com/jonlis1/status/927551446186450944

    Another over reactional remainer.. Never heard of him anyway. Who is he?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Scott_P said:

    Thread...

    https://twitter.com/jonlis1/status/927551446186450944

    What is it with this nonsense shit of doing a 35 twitter reply train. Just write your thoughts in a notepad and post a screenshot of it!
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Margaret Hodge being interviewed on the Paradise Papers was critical of the investment but said that the Treasury should have known as they have authority over the Duchy of Lancaster Fund and should have intervened.

    Unfortunately for her it took place in 2005 under her labour government

    Is this the same Margaret Hodge?

    A prominent Labour politician and a fierce critic of tax avoidance has been accused of hypocrisy after receiving shares in a family company from a foundation based in a tax haven.

    https://www.ft.com/content/4d9e16b4-ee3d-11e4-98f9-00144feab7de
    Yes and she muttered some obscure comments when she was challenged on it
    Were her comments " You got me red handed bang to rights guv" ?
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,251
    David_Evershed said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Margaret Hodge being interviewed on the Paradise Papers was critical of the investment but said that the Treasury should have known as they have authority over the Duchy of Lancaster Fund and should have intervened.

    Unfortunately for her it took place in 2005 under her labour government

    Is this the same Margaret Hodge?

    A prominent Labour politician and a fierce critic of tax avoidance has been accused of hypocrisy after receiving shares in a family company from a foundation based in a tax haven.

    https://www.ft.com/content/4d9e16b4-ee3d-11e4-98f9-00144feab7de
    Yes and she muttered some obscure comments when she was challenged on it
    Were her comments " You got me red handed bang to rights guv" ?
    She looked very uncomfortable
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