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Peter Brookes on Boris Johnson gaffe that could see Briton jailed for longer in Iran – political cartoon gallery in Putney pic.twitter.com/eMHbYvRIuw

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    He has blown it thankfully - TM must shuffle her cabinet before Xmas
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,966
    Second. Unlike Boris, who must have ruled himself out of the top two now.....surely?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,282
    Third. Boris would be so lucky.
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    Suspect he is going to follow Osborne in due course
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,238

    He has blown it thankfully - TM must shuffle her cabinet before Xmas

    There is such a filthy pun I could make about it not being the first time he's blown...

    Good night.
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    ydoethur said:

    He has blown it thankfully - TM must shuffle her cabinet before Xmas

    There is such a filthy pun I could make about it not being the first time he's blown...

    Good night.
    I am just an innocent sort of guy
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    ydoethur said:

    He has blown it thankfully - TM must shuffle her cabinet before Xmas

    There is such a filthy pun I could make about it not being the first time he's blown...

    Good night.
    Bah. this is me moments after Boris announced he wasn't standing in the 2016 Tory leadership contest

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/748471159621095424
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    Off topic
    Thank you to Rob Smithson for getting the Isthmian league Division one North on Crowdscores.
    I can now follow the mighty Potters Bar Town without turning round from my barstool.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,613
    No sign of the next leader in the betting yet.

    #Esther4Leader
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    I've been laying Boris for two leadership contests in a row.

    He was never ever a contender.
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    Off topic
    Thank you to Rob Smithson for getting the Isthmian league Division one North on Crowdscores.
    I can now follow the mighty Potters Bar Town without turning round from my barstool.

    How have you taken the Priti Patel news?
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,667
    SeanT said:

    I have a personal liking, plus a career debt, AND a political admiration for Boris. But yes, I fear he has blown it. He hasn't quite got the persona for PM (or even FM) in these straintened circumstances.

    He would make a fine, charismatic wartime leader, but we aren't quite in wartime, whatever these nappy-wearing Remoaners would have us believe.

    Of course if Brexit turns to shit, and we get a feeble minority led Corbyn government, who knows. Boris might suddenly appear to be The Man. Like Churchill. Who knows.....

    I'd put him at 6/1 as next PM

    Blimey mate, if you think he's a gonner, it's deffo curtains.

    Hurrah!
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    Scott_P said:
    Reshuffle in next 28 days imperative for TM
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,993

    Off topic
    Thank you to Rob Smithson for getting the Isthmian league Division one North on Crowdscores.
    I can now follow the mighty Potters Bar Town without turning round from my barstool.

    LOL!
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,975

    No sign of the next leader in the betting yet.

    #Esther4Leader

    Thought you were on Priti? McVey is a lay ...
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,667
    Scott_P said:
    Whatever became of the Theresa May who was prepared to sack Osborne in the blink of an eye?
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    SeanT said:

    I have a personal liking, plus a career debt, AND a political admiration for Boris. But yes, I fear he has blown it. He hasn't quite got the persona for PM (or even FM) in these straintened circumstances.

    He would make a fine, charismatic wartime leader, but we aren't quite in wartime, whatever these nappy-wearing Remoaners would have us believe.

    Of course if Brexit turns to shit, and we get a feeble minority led Corbyn government, who knows. Boris might suddenly appear to be The Man. Like Churchill. Who knows.....

    I'd put him at 6/1 as next PM

    Blimey mate, if you think he's a gonner, it's deffo curtains.

    Hurrah!
    I think he is a gonner as a future PM
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    So we're all getting 280 characters on Twitter.

    Unbridled joy.
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    Yes, looking grim for Boris. Everyone knew he could entertain, but when he became Foreign Sec. it was vital that he demonstrated he could handle the boring complexities and was a safe pair of hands. He now just looks like Trump with added bonhomie. Shame because he added some gaiety to political life.
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    Scott_P said:
    Whatever became of the Theresa May who was prepared to sack Osborne in the blink of an eye?
    She realised that sacking Osborne was a mistake, so she's not keen to repeat the mistake.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,993
    Scott_P said:
    I'm struggling to understand what Ms Patel needs to do to get fired.
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    So we're all getting 280 characters on Twitter.

    Unbridled joy.

    Is Trump, God forbid
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,613

    No sign of the next leader in the betting yet.

    #Esther4Leader

    Thought you were on Priti? McVey is a lay ...
    The writing is on the wall for Priti. Time to jump horses and ramp another would-be Tory leader who would be great news for Labour.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_P said:
    I'm struggling to understand what Ms Patel needs to do to get fired.
    Kindling would help
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,993

    Scott_P said:
    Reshuffle in next 28 days imperative for TM
    I would fire Patel, Fox, and Johnson. I would promote Gove to Foreign Secretary.

    And I would bring in Kwasi Kwarteng, JRM and Rory Stewart.
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    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    But by then the dithering will have gone on too long and been damaging in itself - she will look as if she is caving into pressure not taking charge of events.

    Patel and Johnson should have been fired today. They haven't been. Even if it is because as we have discussed before she doesn't know who will or won't be tainted in his scandal, that will be costly.

    The problem is that she is not showing any leadership. No one admires a ditherer.
    John Major was mentioned earlier on this thread. The parallels are becoming painfully obvious. Thatcher, Blair, Cameron with their many faults were leaders - decisive and willing to back their judgements. Brown, May, Major are all as you say ditherers. It is no coincidence that the first three won elections and Brown and May couldn't (I know Major did, but he started well ahead of the other two in terms of seats).
    Was Major a ditherer?
    That's a "grey" area :)
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,613
    Scott_P said:
    She took an earlier flight to dodge MPs questions? With initiative like that she deserves a promotion.

    #Priti2FO
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    Mikasa, built in Britain, and a veteran of the Russo-Japanese War, is the only surviving pre-Dreadnought battleship. She is now a museum ship.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    The next Tory leader must come from the backbenches.
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    twitter.com/Peston/status/928017894465769472

    Rory the Tory doesn't need to worry, his phone won't be ringing...
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    nielhnielh Posts: 1,307
    She obviously wants out.
    Fleeing the sinking ship.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    WTF was Patel playing at? Seems like only a matter of time b4 she is gone.

    Boris I have more sympathy for - and not just because I occasionally mis-say things. His words have been bigged up and taken out of context for political-point scoring, and those who did that have as much to answer for as Boris.

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    nielh said:

    She obviously wants out.
    Fleeing the sinking ship.
    Who wants out
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Reshuffle in next 28 days imperative for TM
    I would fire Patel, Fox, and Johnson. I would promote Gove to Foreign Secretary.

    And I would bring in Kwasi Kwarteng, JRM and Rory Stewart.
    Some good names there but I Hoped better than Gavin Williamson .
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    WTF was Patel playing at? Seems like only a matter of time b4 she is gone.

    Boris I have more sympathy for - and not just because I occasionally mis-say things. His words have been bigged up and taken out of context for political-point scoring, and those who did that have as much to answer for as Boris.

    Priti is in Africa till monday. Be interesting to see if she is recalled
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,437
    edited November 2017
    You just know Theresa May is going to make Nick Timothy the replacement for Priti Patel.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,993


    WTF was Patel playing at? Seems like only a matter of time b4 she is gone.

    Boris I have more sympathy for - and not just because I occasionally mis-say things. His words have been bigged up and taken out of context for political-point scoring, and those who did that have as much to answer for as Boris.

    I agree. There are no circumstances where it is acceptable for a cabinet minister to pursue a parallel foreign policy, and to then lie to the Foreign Secretary, the PM and the press. May should have fired her in August when she first admitted (a small amount of) what she had done.
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    You just know Theresa May is going to make Nick Timothy as Priti Patel's replacement.

    I would demand her resignation if she did anything as stupid as that.

    She has to get a grip, re shuffle the cabinet, and bring in new blood.

    Or she will need to go I am afaid
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,993
    Is Ms Patel on Twitter? Perhaps it would be a good idea if someone sent her the Think of It "good resignation" clip.
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    I was at University with Priti Patel, you know. She wasn't the sharpest tool in the box. Imagine my surprise when she turned up as a Cabinet Minister.
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    rcs1000 said:

    Is Ms Patel on Twitter? Perhaps it would be a good idea if someone sent her the Think of It "good resignation" clip.

    She is.

    https://twitter.com/patel4witham
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
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    dr_spyn said:
    Check arrivals from Africa in Heathrow
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited November 2017
    Scott_P said:

    I really can't see the case for her going, but Boris staying.... there are much more serious consequences likely from his actions than there are from Patel's.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,335
    edited November 2017
    It's ironical that Patel's possible sacking is partly because she slighted Boris. Arguably, if she's sacked it strengthens him - the man you shouldn't cross, etc.

    But the far more significant item in that clipping is that 40 Tory rebels are allegedly preparing to call for May to set a date to quit "if she does not do so next week". I think from the wording "do so" means "set a date to resign" rather than "sack Patel". If that's right, then Jan-Mar exit date looks plausible at 5.6 on Betfair, unless you think that she can stave it off by saying "I'll quit in April 2019".
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    nielhnielh Posts: 1,307
    rcs1000 said:


    WTF was Patel playing at? Seems like only a matter of time b4 she is gone.

    Boris I have more sympathy for - and not just because I occasionally mis-say things. His words have been bigged up and taken out of context for political-point scoring, and those who did that have as much to answer for as Boris.

    I agree. There are no circumstances where it is acceptable for a cabinet minister to pursue a parallel foreign policy, and to then lie to the Foreign Secretary, the PM and the press. May should have fired her in August when she first admitted (a small amount of) what she had done.
    Depends whether she was meeting these people in a personal capacity or an official capacity. It seems that the main problem was the blurring of the two.

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    rcs1000 said:


    WTF was Patel playing at? Seems like only a matter of time b4 she is gone.

    Boris I have more sympathy for - and not just because I occasionally mis-say things. His words have been bigged up and taken out of context for political-point scoring, and those who did that have as much to answer for as Boris.

    I agree. There are no circumstances where it is acceptable for a cabinet minister to pursue a parallel foreign policy, and to then lie to the Foreign Secretary, the PM and the press. May should have fired her in August when she first admitted (a small amount of) what she had done.
    I agree. Boris made an unfortunate and careless remark. He should have known better, and we should perhaps have a more astute FS, but it happens. It was a mistake, not a crime.

    Patel appears to have been mischief making, or at the very least running her own foreign policy. She has no place in anybody's government, if that's the case.
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    Just imagine if Philip Hammond set up his own parallel foreign policy with the France, Germany, or the EU
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    edited November 2017
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,611
    .

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    Rabb C Nesbitt 3%?
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    dr_spyn said:
    Waits for her to land back a Heathrow
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    rcs1000 said:


    WTF was Patel playing at? Seems like only a matter of time b4 she is gone.

    Boris I have more sympathy for - and not just because I occasionally mis-say things. His words have been bigged up and taken out of context for political-point scoring, and those who did that have as much to answer for as Boris.

    I agree. There are no circumstances where it is acceptable for a cabinet minister to pursue a parallel foreign policy, and to then lie to the Foreign Secretary, the PM and the press. May should have fired her in August when she first admitted (a small amount of) what she had done.
    I agree. Boris made an unfortunate and careless remark. He should have known better, and we should perhaps have a more astute FS, but it happens. It was a mistake, not a crime.

    Patel appears to have been mischief making, or at the very least running her own foreign policy. She has no place in anybody's government, if that's the case.
    Some mistakes are also serious crimes (involuntary manslaughter, death by careless driving). Boris's remark falls into that category; Jack Straw was not exaggerating when he said that "careless talk costs lives".
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    Priti Patel has always been an accident waiting to happen. And a demented, hanging and flogging Brexiter to boot.

    Of the entire Cabinet only Javid and Gove have impressed, with honorary mention to Jeremy Hunt for avoiding political calamity in Health.

    Abort the lot of them.
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    We knew Patel broke the ministerial code of conduct and all the PM said was "we need to tighten the code" - rather than "Priti you are fired"

    The PM confirms yet again (as if confirmation was needed) that she is weak and useless.

    Time for Tory MPs to do the decent thing and demand a vote of confidence in her leadership.
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    Rabb C Nesbitt 3%?

    Rabb Butler?
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,966
    Danny565 said:

    Scott_P said:

    I really can't see the case for her going, but Boris staying.... there are much more serious consequences likely from his actions than there are from Patel's.
    His was a sin of omission...not doing the work to realise how his words would be taken.
    Hers was deliberate. It took planning. And was lied about.
    The 2 are not comparable.
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    Confirmation of my hypocrisy charge against Corbyn and McDonnell
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    rcs1000 said:


    WTF was Patel playing at? Seems like only a matter of time b4 she is gone.

    Boris I have more sympathy for - and not just because I occasionally mis-say things. His words have been bigged up and taken out of context for political-point scoring, and those who did that have as much to answer for as Boris.

    I agree. There are no circumstances where it is acceptable for a cabinet minister to pursue a parallel foreign policy, and to then lie to the Foreign Secretary, the PM and the press. May should have fired her in August when she first admitted (a small amount of) what she had done.
    I agree. Boris made an unfortunate and careless remark. He should have known better, and we should perhaps have a more astute FS, but it happens. It was a mistake, not a crime.

    Patel appears to have been mischief making, or at the very least running her own foreign policy. She has no place in anybody's government, if that's the case.
    Boris has yet to admit he made a mistake.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    dixiedean said:

    Danny565 said:

    Scott_P said:

    I really can't see the case for her going, but Boris staying.... there are much more serious consequences likely from his actions than there are from Patel's.
    His was a sin of omission...not doing the work to realise how his words would be taken.
    Hers was deliberate. It took planning. And was lied about.
    The 2 are not comparable.
    Johnson's mistake is sackable because:

    Although it's a mistake, it's habitual;
    He refused to apologise properly or admit fault;
    He's a total c*** unfit to be representing this country abroad.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited November 2017
    dixiedean said:

    Danny565 said:

    Scott_P said:

    I really can't see the case for her going, but Boris staying.... there are much more serious consequences likely from his actions than there are from Patel's.
    His was a sin of omission...not doing the work to realise how his words would be taken.
    Hers was deliberate. It took planning. And was lied about.
    The 2 are not comparable.
    But even so, while Patel certainly shouldn't have done what she did, no harm has really been done - the things she lobbied for during/after her trip were all kiboshed by the civil servants in her department, right?

    By contrast, Boris could be directly responsible for someone being jailed for much longer than she would otherwise have been, in a country where jail conditions are particularly unpleasant.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    dixiedean said:

    Danny565 said:

    Scott_P said:

    I really can't see the case for her going, but Boris staying.... there are much more serious consequences likely from his actions than there are from Patel's.
    His was a sin of omission...not doing the work to realise how his words would be taken.
    Hers was deliberate. It took planning. And was lied about.
    The 2 are not comparable.
    I think we can recognise this as an "A plague on both their houses" situation. If I were Mrs Z-R or a member of her family I wouldn't be terribly consoled by the assurance that Johnson was just a lazy arse rather than actively malevolent.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,282
    edited November 2017
    Puts the pressure on Boris. And May.
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    *Checks diary*

    Mike's next holiday starts in less than a fortnight.
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    So much for Global Britain. 0.7% of GNI with an economy our size makes us an Aid Superpower. If Brexiters, of whom Patel is one, were serious then this is an area where flair and innovation could be demonstrated. In it's modern firm the Aid budget was founded by a Conservative government and we reached 0.7% GNI under one.

    Instead the department is giving to someone who doesn't really believe in it purely as part of a post Referendum balancing act. Then she spends her time in office pandering to anti Aid sentiment. Then this happens.

    Meanwhile we progress with Brexit which will exclude our world leading Aid agencies from the EU Aid budget from which they won a disproportionate share.

    If May wants to scrape a few shards of redemption from her remaining months in office she'll make Rory Stewert DIfD Sec before she goes.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulwaugh: Priti Patel cd be back in London for breakfast tmrw (flight via Kenya tonight). And once back here, her career could be eaten for breakfast.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,613
    I haven't been able to figure out why Priti is such a 'friend of Israel'.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,966

    dixiedean said:

    Danny565 said:

    Scott_P said:

    I really can't see the case for her going, but Boris staying.... there are much more serious consequences likely from his actions than there are from Patel's.
    His was a sin of omission...not doing the work to realise how his words would be taken.
    Hers was deliberate. It took planning. And was lied about.
    The 2 are not comparable.
    Johnson's mistake is sackable because:

    Although it's a mistake, it's habitual;
    He refused to apologise properly or admit fault;
    He's a total c*** unfit to be representing this country abroad.
    I do not disagree. However, Patel's was, I think you will agree of an entirely different order.
    Boris ought to go because
    1) He simply is incapable of doing the work to be on top of the brief.
    2) When questioned, he blurts out the first thing that pops into his head. Sometimes this is amusing or erudite. Occasionally idiotic.
    3) He seems psychologically unable to admit error.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Assuming May does actually find the bottle to sack Priti, does she replace her with

    a. Someone vaguely competent from the new intake?
    b. Another Brexiteer. Bill Cash or John Redwood?
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,613
    Scott_P said:

    Assuming May does actually find the bottle to sack Priti, does she replace her with

    a. Someone vaguely competent from the new intake?
    b. Another Brexiteer. Bill Cash or John Redwood?

    c. Chloe Smith
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,966
    Ishmael_Z said:

    dixiedean said:

    Danny565 said:

    Scott_P said:

    I really can't see the case for her going, but Boris staying.... there are much more serious consequences likely from his actions than there are from Patel's.
    His was a sin of omission...not doing the work to realise how his words would be taken.
    Hers was deliberate. It took planning. And was lied about.
    The 2 are not comparable.
    I think we can recognise this as an "A plague on both their houses" situation. If I were Mrs Z-R or a member of her family I wouldn't be terribly consoled by the assurance that Johnson was just a lazy arse rather than actively malevolent.
    I agree. See my reply to @Gardenwalker
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    Scott_P said:

    Assuming May does actually find the bottle to sack Priti, does she replace her with

    a. Someone vaguely competent from the new intake?
    b. Another Brexiteer. Bill Cash or John Redwood?

    Not B other than JRM
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Sounds like night of the long knives for the Cabinet Leavers.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847

    So much for Global Britain. 0.7% of GNI with an economy our size makes us an Aid Superpower. If Brexiters, of whom Patel is one, were serious then this is an area where flair and innovation could be demonstrated. In it's modern firm the Aid budget was founded by a Conservative government and we reached 0.7% GNI under one.

    Instead the department is giving to someone who doesn't really believe in it purely as part of a post Referendum balancing act. Then she spends her time in office pandering to anti Aid sentiment. Then this happens.

    Meanwhile we progress with Brexit which will exclude our world leading Aid agencies from the EU Aid budget from which they won a disproportionate share.

    If May wants to scrape a few shards of redemption from her remaining months in office she'll make Rory Stewert DIfD Sec before she goes.

    Kwasi, Tugendhat, Raab, Stewart now.
    And McVey needs a proper job.

    Or, she is just a bedblocker and needs to be terminated with due dignitas.
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    So much for Global Britain. 0.7% of GNI with an economy our size makes us an Aid Superpower. If Brexiters, of whom Patel is one, were serious then this is an area where flair and innovation could be demonstrated. In it's modern firm the Aid budget was founded by a Conservative government and we reached 0.7% GNI under one.

    Instead the department is giving to someone who doesn't really believe in it purely as part of a post Referendum balancing act. Then she spends her time in office pandering to anti Aid sentiment. Then this happens.

    Meanwhile we progress with Brexit which will exclude our world leading Aid agencies from the EU Aid budget from which they won a disproportionate share.

    If May wants to scrape a few shards of redemption from her remaining months in office she'll make Rory Stewert DIfD Sec before she goes.

    Kwasi, Tugendhat, Raab, Stewart now.
    And McVey needs a proper job.

    Or, she is just a bedblocker and needs to be terminated with due dignitas.
    +1
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    I haven't been able to figure out why Priti is such a 'friend of Israel'.

    I wondered that. Is it her affinity with the US right wingers?
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    tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,546
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Reshuffle in next 28 days imperative for TM
    I would fire Patel, Fox, and Johnson. I would promote Gove to Foreign Secretary.

    And I would bring in Kwasi Kwarteng, JRM and Rory Stewart.
    All good calls. Time for grown-ups who can deliver - I'd also promote Dom Raab. alistair Burt, Tracey Crouch, Sarah Wollaston, Andrew Selous and Jeremy Hunt. I'd demote Leadsom and Truss to make way.
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    I haven't been able to figure out why Priti is such a 'friend of Israel'.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India–Israel_relations
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    Scott_P said:
    I thought we had an impartial civil service?
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