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  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    The right-wing legislator, who pushed “family values”, was reportedly witnessed having sex with a man inside his office who was not employed by the legislator.

    Surely if he had been an employee it would have been worse - if it could be so.

    Regarding the Roy Moore and Al Franken situations, in Franken's case we have photographic evidence and a confession. In Moore's case we have simply a 'he said she said" with no evidence one way or the other. Although now we are up to 8 (I think) Moore accusers you eventually have to get into "surely they can't all be lying" mode.

    It's fun to see the left and right agonize over this - but it's hard to avoid the view that they should both be gone.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    In other depressing news for those of a certain age - it's 50 YEARS since 'The Graduate' was released.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,771
    Tim_B said:

    The right-wing legislator, who pushed “family values”, was reportedly witnessed having sex with a man inside his office who was not employed by the legislator.

    Surely if he had been an employee it would have been worse - if it could be so.

    Regarding the Roy Moore and Al Franken situations, in Franken's case we have photographic evidence and a confession. In Moore's case we have simply a 'he said she said" with no evidence one way or the other. Although now we are up to 8 (I think) Moore accusers you eventually have to get into "surely they can't all be lying" mode.

    It's fun to see the left and right agonize over this - but it's hard to avoid the view that they should both be gone.

    They should both be gone.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,232
    Tim_B said:

    In other depressing news for those of a certain age - it's 50 YEARS since 'The Graduate' was released.

    The "I like big butts and I cannot lie" song (Baby got Back) is over a quarter of a century old...

    "Friends" came out 22 years ago...

    "Reservoir Dogs" is 26 years old...
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    edited November 2017
    Scott_P said:
    Wibbly-wobbly Theresa planning to throw away more billions and billions of Pounds of other people's money for absolutely nothing whatsoever....
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Germany

    Coalition talks have 'failed' according to the FDP.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    Y0kel said:

    Germany

    Coalition talks have 'failed' according to the FDP.

    Empress Angie still struggling then?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    GIN1138 said:

    Y0kel said:

    Germany

    Coalition talks have 'failed' according to the FDP.

    Empress Angie still struggling then?
    Did the FDP not pay the £80 Bn then ? How un European of them.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    GIN1138 said:

    Y0kel said:

    Germany

    Coalition talks have 'failed' according to the FDP.

    Empress Angie still struggling then?
    This kind of breakdown doesn't tend to happen in Germany.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    Y0kel said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Y0kel said:

    Germany

    Coalition talks have 'failed' according to the FDP.

    Empress Angie still struggling then?
    This kind of breakdown doesn't tend to happen in Germany.
    Are they failed failed, or 'this is warning that there's one last chance' failed?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Merkel toast.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    kle4 said:

    Y0kel said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Y0kel said:

    Germany

    Coalition talks have 'failed' according to the FDP.

    Empress Angie still struggling then?
    This kind of breakdown doesn't tend to happen in Germany.
    Are they failed failed, or 'this is warning that there's one last chance' failed?
    The problem is that they don't fail in Germany. Brinkmanship, if its done, doesn't have walking away. The FDP have a kingmaker position so can choose to come back but given that the FDP leader said they couldn't get a 'basis of trust' and said its better not to govern than govern badly, its as definitive as your average politicians get.
  • Y0kel said:

    Germany

    Coalition talks have 'failed' according to the FDP.

    Time for a penalty shoot-out?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited November 2017
    Y0kel said:

    kle4 said:

    Y0kel said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Y0kel said:

    Germany

    Coalition talks have 'failed' according to the FDP.

    Empress Angie still struggling then?
    This kind of breakdown doesn't tend to happen in Germany.
    Are they failed failed, or 'this is warning that there's one last chance' failed?
    The problem is that they don't fail in Germany. Brinkmanship, if its done, doesn't have walking away. The FDP have a kingmaker position so can choose to come back but given that the FDP leader said they couldn't get a 'basis of trust' and said its better not to govern than govern badly, its as definitive as your average politicians get.
    I was listening to a really interesting podcast regarding the way Germany industry has union officials on the board and industry wide collective bargaining. That sounds like a recipe for disaster and would be here, but the German unions for a number of reasons (including don't mention the war) rarely do brinkmanship and it is not uncommon for the unions to accept below industry wide worker rates for their members.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Merkel should be on the telly shortly, c20 minutes.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,363
    Y0kel said:

    Merkel should be on the telly shortly, c20 minutes.

    Auf Wiedersehen Angie?!?
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    ToryJim said:

    Y0kel said:

    Merkel should be on the telly shortly, c20 minutes.

    Auf Wiedersehen Angie?!?
    I messaged a friend in Germany and asked them how this was going down, she said German media are speculating that this is the end of her dominance of the German political scene.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,363
    Y0kel said:

    ToryJim said:

    Y0kel said:

    Merkel should be on the telly shortly, c20 minutes.

    Auf Wiedersehen Angie?!?
    I messaged a friend in Germany and asked them how this was going down, she said German media are speculating that this is the end of her dominance of the German political scene.
    Ah Schadenfreude!!!
  • Y0kel said:

    ToryJim said:

    Y0kel said:

    Merkel should be on the telly shortly, c20 minutes.

    Auf Wiedersehen Angie?!?
    I messaged a friend in Germany and asked them how this was going down, she said German media are speculating that this is the end of her dominance of the German political scene.
    worth a flutter @ 8/1
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    ToryJim said:

    Y0kel said:

    Merkel should be on the telly shortly, c20 minutes.

    Auf Wiedersehen Angie?!?
    schadenfreude squared!!
  • The conservative operative said he'd target college kids who wanted to have him as a mentor and were scared to report his sexual advances because they didn't want to damage their own careers.

    https://articles.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/11/ohio_legislator_wes_goodman_le.amp
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    Y0kel said:

    ToryJim said:

    Y0kel said:

    Merkel should be on the telly shortly, c20 minutes.

    Auf Wiedersehen Angie?!?
    I messaged a friend in Germany and asked them how this was going down, she said German media are speculating that this is the end of her dominance of the German political scene.
    Bad news for Tracy Ullman
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    Y0kel said:

    ToryJim said:

    Y0kel said:

    Merkel should be on the telly shortly, c20 minutes.

    Auf Wiedersehen Angie?!?
    I messaged a friend in Germany and asked them how this was going down, she said German media are speculating that this is the end of her dominance of the German political scene.
    All great careers end in failure, as they say.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    Who will be gone first, Angie or Mugabe? :D
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited November 2017
    "Merkel was weakened after an election in September as voters angry with her decision in 2015 to open Germany’s borders to more than a million asylum seekers punished her conservatives by voting for the Alternative for Germany (AfD) far-right party.

    There is little appetite for a second vote, especially as the main parties fear that the populist AfD would win more than the almost 13 percent of votes it secured in September."

    Perhaps this will bring everybody back to the table.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    GIN1138 said:

    Who will be gone first, Angie or Mugabe? :D

    Maybe she'll do a "reverse Mugabe", shockingly announce her resignation when she wasn't expected to.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Jeremy Cliffe‏Verified account
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    Merkel: I'll contact the president [Steinmeier] tomorrow morning and see how we will proceed. CDU/CSU will take responsibility for future of this country [a dig at FDP, that].
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    kle4 said:

    Y0kel said:

    ToryJim said:

    Y0kel said:

    Merkel should be on the telly shortly, c20 minutes.

    Auf Wiedersehen Angie?!?
    I messaged a friend in Germany and asked them how this was going down, she said German media are speculating that this is the end of her dominance of the German political scene.
    All great careers end in failure, as they say.
    I thought this was an Enoch Powell quote in respect of political careers
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,363
    Danny565 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Who will be gone first, Angie or Mugabe? :D

    Maybe she'll do a "reverse Mugabe", shockingly announce her resignation when she wasn't expected to.
    Not her style to do anything surprising.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Danny565 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Who will be gone first, Angie or Mugabe? :D

    Maybe she'll do a "reverse Mugabe", shockingly announce her resignation when she wasn't expected to.
    is she not expected to?
  • kle4 said:

    Y0kel said:

    ToryJim said:

    Y0kel said:

    Merkel should be on the telly shortly, c20 minutes.

    Auf Wiedersehen Angie?!?
    I messaged a friend in Germany and asked them how this was going down, she said German media are speculating that this is the end of her dominance of the German political scene.
    All great careers end in failure, as they say.
    I thought this was an Enoch Powell quote in respect of political careers
    Yes

    or "All political lives, unless they are cut off in midstream at a happy juncture, end in failure" in full
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Migration flagged as a major issue.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    ToryJim said:

    Danny565 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Who will be gone first, Angie or Mugabe? :D

    Maybe she'll do a "reverse Mugabe", shockingly announce her resignation when she wasn't expected to.
    Not her style to do anything surprising.
    whatever she does now will be labelled "surprising" and she cannot do nothing
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
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    Merkel notes migration was a major subject and says she thinks could have reached agreement with Greens on this. Says will look at advancing this in coming weeks. A hint at black-green minority government?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Terribly Brexity and racist of Ange to talk about immigration no ?
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,363

    ToryJim said:

    Danny565 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Who will be gone first, Angie or Mugabe? :D

    Maybe she'll do a "reverse Mugabe", shockingly announce her resignation when she wasn't expected to.
    Not her style to do anything surprising.
    whatever she does now will be labelled "surprising" and she cannot do nothing
    She is in uncharted territory but she always has been as first female Chancellor.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    TGOHF said:

    Terribly Brexity and racist of Ange to talk about immigration no ?

    "blame" is the word you're looking for
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    ToryJim said:

    ToryJim said:

    Danny565 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Who will be gone first, Angie or Mugabe? :D

    Maybe she'll do a "reverse Mugabe", shockingly announce her resignation when she wasn't expected to.
    Not her style to do anything surprising.
    whatever she does now will be labelled "surprising" and she cannot do nothing
    She is in uncharted territory but she always has been as first female Chancellor.
    Columbus found America?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Woman who has lost pound finds penny .
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    TGOHF said:
    Corbynomics
  • TGOHF said:
    Lost a euro found a cent...surely...
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    TGOHF said:
    Lost a euro found a cent...surely...
    still Corbynomics
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:
    Lost a euro found a cent...surely...
    A Euro ain’t worth as much as it was 2 hrs ago.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789
    TGOHF said:
    The consensus in Berlin seems to be that Lindner has made a big mistake. The FDP got a lot of tactical votes from the CDU and people are not impressed with his grandstanding.
  • TGOHF said:
    Lost a euro found a cent...surely...
    still Corbynomics
    No Corbynomics, is steal a billion pound industry, give you magic beans...
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:
    The consensus in Berlin seems to be that Lindner has made a big mistake. The FDP got a lot of tactical votes from the CDU and people are not impressed with his grandstanding.
    You’ve phoned everyone in Berlin in the last hour ? The Protestant work ethic strikes again.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,363

    TGOHF said:
    The consensus in Berlin seems to be that Lindner has made a big mistake. The FDP got a lot of tactical votes from the CDU and people are not impressed with his grandstanding.
    It's only a mistake if what comes next hurts the FDP. It doesn't seem like there's an appetite for fresh elections so the FDP can make Merkels demise a precondition of returning to coalition talks.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    ToryJim said:

    TGOHF said:
    The consensus in Berlin seems to be that Lindner has made a big mistake. The FDP got a lot of tactical votes from the CDU and people are not impressed with his grandstanding.
    It's only a mistake if what comes next hurts the FDP. It doesn't seem like there's an appetite for fresh elections so the FDP can make Merkels demise a precondition of returning to coalition talks.
    Sounds like the Merkin caved to the Greens immigration demands. She just can’t say no to an open border. Tin ear...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712
    Danny565 said:

    Jeremy Cliffe‏Verified account
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    4s4 seconds ago
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    Merkel: I'll contact the president [Steinmeier] tomorrow morning and see how we will proceed. CDU/CSU will take responsibility for future of this country [a dig at FDP, that].

    Looks like the CDU/CSU minority government I long suspected it would be after all then.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Wibbly-wobbly Theresa planning to throw away more billions and billions of Pounds of other people's money for absolutely nothing whatsoever....
    To kick off FTA talks, not 'absolutely nothing.'
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712
    edited November 2017
    Though FDP+AfD combined now constitute almost a third of the seats in the Bundestag to the right of the CDU, even more to the CDU's right if you add the CSU too
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    If he is stupid enough not to realise that the term "natural marriage" is an oxymoron, then it doesn't particularly surprise me that he is stupid enough to do what he did.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614

    Y0kel said:

    Germany

    Coalition talks have 'failed' according to the FDP.

    Time for a penalty shoot-out?
    Do the rules provide for a penalty shoot-out, or are we going to get a replay?
  • GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Wibbly-wobbly Theresa planning to throw away more billions and billions of Pounds of other people's money for absolutely nothing whatsoever....
    The UK made commitments when in the EU, so has to honour those. What they add up to is another matter.
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