Hunt has played a good long game. He has converted to Brexit late in the day, but has not been tainted by touching Brexit directly like others have.
If Brexit turns into a shambles Hunt can still say he voted remain but changed his mind to commit to the will of the people, absolving himself of any blame.
Hunt has put himself in a position where he can have his cake and eat it. Had Boris chosen this strategy he would now be unassailable. Hunt has played a blinder and 100/1 could be value bet of the millennium!
Hunt will have to commit to leaving the single market as well as the EU and ending free movement as most Tories want, though I think a third successive Remainer leading a majority Leaver party may well be a step too far for the majority of Tories.
Yes he can commit to all those red line issues because 'it was the will of the people'. If it goes wrong he can still say he was only supporting what the voters wanted because he is a democrat, and by the way he has it on record that he supported remain. Genius.
I am sure blue-rinse Tories respect damascene conversions to their point of view too!
He is easy on the ear and eye and doesn't come across as an absolute charlatan -although he may well be exactly that!
Fine in theory for Hunt, problem is as the old saying goes 'try and please everyone, end up pleasing no one!'
For someone not oblivion, although he did f. all to prevent it!
Yes but you are in the minority of likely potential Tory voters.
You make the most incredible sweeping statements. If you don't want or need my vote, so be it! Comrade Corbyn it is then!
@HYUFD likes to declare people non-Tories. Others are more accommodating
Anyone who.
With respect; until you're able to reconcile yourself with the dementia tax, you're not a tory either.
The dementia tax was, of course, the very definition of a non Tory measure.
Tories have always supported the preservation of estates and inherited wealth, unlike socialists and free market Liberals.
But it was in the manifesto so, as a Tory, you must support it.
It has now been swiftly dumped. However I did like the raising the assets you can keep to £100k bit which was a Tory policy even if the rest of it was rubbish.
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
Common sense?
Moral decency?
That it would certainly mean the end of the government, and probably the UK?
Almost certainly occupation by US troops....
EDIT: See you had considered that. The Donald would LOVE to secure re-election by getting his parade down Whitehall...
Though the Donald backed Brexit unlike the Irish PM.
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
Common sense?
Moral decency?
That it would certainly mean the end of the government, and probably the UK?
Almost certainly occupation by US troops....
EDIT: See you had considered that. The Donald would LOVE to secure re-election by getting his parade down Whitehall...
Oh God yes you’re right.... In practice I suspect the govt would fall faster than the US could mobilise... And from then on we would be grovelling, sending leading politicians to The Hague etc.
Not just politicians, but the idiot whose idea it was?
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
Common sense?
Moral decency?
That it would certainly mean the end of the government, and probably the UK?
Almost certainly occupation by US troops....
EDIT: See you had considered that. The Donald would LOVE to secure re-election by getting his parade down Whitehall...
...and he wouldn't have any more trouble with annoying planning restrictions by Aberdeen Council!
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
Common sense?
Moral decency?
That it would certainly mean the end of the government, and probably the UK?
Almost certainly occupation by US troops....
EDIT: See you had considered that. The Donald would LOVE to secure re-election by getting his parade down Whitehall...
Oh God yes you’re right.... In practice I suspect the govt would fall faster than the US could mobilise... And from then on we would be grovelling, sending leading politicians to The Hague etc.
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I see now SeanT is just taking the piss. Not very funny though imo.
Ireland not part of NATO though - which at least reduces the chance of occupation by the Americans. I suspect they’d be tempted anyway given the close relations...
If America had to choose England or Ireland, it would choose England. The Irish are good for a parade, but that's it.
We need to summon our Anglophone friends to a sensible, high level military summit, with some serious and level headed thinkers and wargamers, and then we need to wheel out a Trident sub and level the fuck out of Kerry. Nuke it. Level it. Human Ashtray. The dead piled like firewood.
Then we can move on to the idea of a 2-3 year "transition" and possible free trade in services.
Underneath the shock-jock hyperbole, SeanT makes a very valid point... namely that most leavers will look at the complicated issue of Ireland making demands over the border and see it as interference in a sovereign British decision to leave the EU. To allow the RoI to dictate the terms of Brexit would be seen by the man on the street as the tail wagging the dog.
Simplistic? Possibly. Is it how most people will think? Probably.
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
It would prove Remain was right, again.
Brexit would lead to conflict*
*Note David Cameron never said Brexit would lead to World War III.
Only in the sense that he did not say it literally and in those words. Think of it in this way: if ww3 does in fact break out, is he going to be saying a. Told you so, or b. No, this is not what I had in mind at all when making that speech?
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
A hell of a lot of "lost" explosives and weapons, and a lot of experience in setting off bombs on the mainland UK. Anything else?
lol. What's the worst they did? Warrington? Brum? 30 dead?
One Trident warhead and Cork is returned to the Neolithic. And 50,000 are evaporated.
We should do it ANYWAY as a kind of warning shot, pre-Brexit transitional talks.
We could get a great trade agreement going with North Korea... I hear those guys have quality meth. Just the thing British industry needs to bring its productivity up to 21st century standards...
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
It would prove Remain was right, again.
Brexit would lead to conflict*
*Note David Cameron never said Brexit would lead to World War III.
Only in the sense that he did not say it literally and in those words. Think of it in this way: if ww3 does in fact break out, is he going to be saying a. Told you so, or b. No, this is not what I had in mind at all when making that speech?
Hint: b. is not the answer.
He won't be saying anything, and we certainly won't be listening - we'll all be dead.
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
A hell of a lot of "lost" explosives and weapons, and a lot of experience in setting off bombs on the mainland UK. Anything else?
lol. What's the worst they did? Warrington? Brum? 30 dead?
One Trident warhead and Cork is returned to the Neolithic. And 50,000 are evaporated.
We should do it ANYWAY as a kind of warning shot, pre-Brexit transitional talks.
It's an amusing idea, but I doubt if we could get away with it.
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
Common sense?
Moral decency?
That it would certainly mean the end of the government, and probably the UK?
Almost certainly occupation by US troops....
EDIT: See you had considered that. The Donald would LOVE to secure re-election by getting his parade down Whitehall...
Oh God yes you’re right.... In practice I suspect the govt would fall faster than the US could mobilise... And from then on we would be grovelling, sending leading politicians to The Hague etc.
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I see now SeanT is just taking the piss. Not very funny though imo.
LET ME GET THIS RIGHT.
You didn't realise I was being satirical, drunk and farcical before?
Have you considered the possibility - how shall I phrase this - that your IQ may not be quite in the decile which you hopefully expected?
Your inferiority complex must be a terrible burden - I hope you get help soon pal.
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
A hell of a lot of "lost" explosives and weapons, and a lot of experience in setting off bombs on the mainland UK. Anything else?
lol. What's the worst they did? Warrington? Brum? 30 dead?
One Trident warhead and Cork is returned to the Neolithic. And 50,000 are evaporated.
We should do it ANYWAY as a kind of warning shot, pre-Brexit transitional talks.
It's an amusing idea, but I doubt if we could get away with it.
Ireland not part of NATO though - which at least reduces the chance of occupation by the Americans. I suspect they’d be tempted anyway given the close relations...
If America had to choose England or Ireland, it would choose England. The Irish are good for a parade, but that's it.
We need to summon our Anglophone friends to a sensible, high level military summit, with some serious and level headed thinkers and wargamers, and then we need to wheel out a Trident sub and level the fuck out of Kerry. Nuke it. Level it. Human Ashtray. The dead piled like firewood.
Then we can move on to the idea of a 2-3 year "transition" and possible free trade in services.
Underneath the shock-jock hyperbole, SeanT makes a very valid point... namely that most leavers will look at the complicated issue of Ireland making demands over the border and see it as interference in a sovereign British decision to leave the EU. To allow the RoI to dictate the terms of Brexit would be seen by the man on the street as the tail wagging the dog.
Simplistic? Possibly. Is it how most people will think? Probably.
One wonders if the Pentagon keeps detailed plans for invasion of friendly countries like the UK (assuming no nukes are involved)
Well British troops did burn the White House in the War of 1812 and John Paul Jones attacked Royal Navy ships right up to British shores so a UK war with the USA is not totally without precedent. Though of course any US UK war is highly unlikely, apart from Australia and Israel we are generally the USA's closest ally.
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
It would prove Remain was right, again.
Brexit would lead to conflict*
*Note David Cameron never said Brexit would lead to World War III.
Only in the sense that he did not say it literally and in those words. Think of it in this way: if ww3 does in fact break out, is he going to be saying a. Told you so, or b. No, this is not what I had in mind at all when making that speech?
Hint: b. is not the answer.
He won't be saying anything, and we certainly won't be listening - we'll all be dead.
You might want to think about deleting that one, too.
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
It would prove Remain was right, again.
Brexit would lead to conflict*
*Note David Cameron never said Brexit would lead to World War III.
Only in the sense that he did not say it literally and in those words. Think of it in this way: if ww3 does in fact break out, is he going to be saying a. Told you so, or b. No, this is not what I had in mind at all when making that speech?
Hint: b. is not the answer.
He won't be saying anything, and we certainly won't be listening - we'll all be dead.
You might want to think about deleting that one, too.
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
Common sense?
Moral decency?
That it would certainly mean the end of the government, and probably the UK?
Almost certainly occupation by US troops....
EDIT: See you had considered that. The Donald would LOVE to secure re-election by getting his parade down Whitehall...
Oh God yes you’re right.... In practice I suspect the govt would fall faster than the US could mobilise... And from then on we would be grovelling, sending leading politicians to The Hague etc.
Deleted.
I see now SeanT is just taking the piss. Not very funny though imo.
LET ME GET THIS RIGHT.
You didn't realise I was being satirical, drunk and farcical ....
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
It would prove Remain was right, again.
Brexit would lead to conflict*
*Note David Cameron never said Brexit would lead to World War III.
Only in the sense that he did not say it literally and in those words. Think of it in this way: if ww3 does in fact break out, is he going to be saying a. Told you so, or b. No, this is not what I had in mind at all when making that speech?
Hint: b. is not the answer.
He won't be saying anything, and we certainly won't be listening - we'll all be dead.
You might want to think about deleting that one, too.
Why, do you think many of us would survive a WW3?
To quote:
Have you considered the possibility - how shall I phrase this - that your IQ may not be quite in the decile which you hopefully expected?
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
It would prove Remain was right, again.
Brexit would lead to conflict*
*Note David Cameron never said Brexit would lead to World War III.
Only in the sense that he did not say it literally and in those words. Think of it in this way: if ww3 does in fact break out, is he going to be saying a. Told you so, or b. No, this is not what I had in mind at all when making that speech?
Hint: b. is not the answer.
He won't be saying anything, and we certainly won't be listening - we'll all be dead.
You might want to think about deleting that one, too.
Why, do you think many of us would survive a WW3?
To quote:
Have you considered the possibility - how shall I phrase this - that your IQ may not be quite in the decile which you hopefully expected?
Come on Ishmael, surely you can make up your own insults rather than recycle Sean's?
Some people’s idea of a good party theme is a little odd....
A miners' strike-themed student rugby club event has been criticised as "disgraceful" and swiftly cancelled. Guests had been asked to come dressed as miners or members of Margaret Thatcher's government. The Facebook invitation said: "We want flat caps, filth... a few working-class-beating-bobbies wouldn't go amiss." Durham University said the event was "wholly unacceptable". The organisers have been approached for comment.
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
A hell of a lot of "lost" explosives and weapons, and a lot of experience in setting off bombs on the mainland UK. Anything else?
lol. What's the worst they did? Warrington? Brum? 30 dead?
One Trident warhead and Cork is returned to the Neolithic. And 50,000 are evaporated.
We should do it ANYWAY as a kind of warning shot, pre-Brexit transitional talks.
The IRA enforcers have cleared out the turned, and '5, ' 6 and the others have had their fundings cut back. Then there are the other side who have now realised how they were played by our security services. And you are stupid, drunk and "sarcastic" to suggest bombing Dublin back into radioactive glass. How many of Irish decent around the world who would be only too happy to support revenge.....
Ireland not part of NATO though - which at least reduces the chance of occupation by the Americans. I suspect they’d be tempted anyway given the close relations...
If America had to choose England or Ireland, it would choose England. The Irish are good for a parade, but that's it.
We need to summon our Anglophone friends to a sensible, high level military summit, with some serious and level headed thinkers and wargamers, and then we need to wheel out a Trident sub and level the fuck out of Kerry. Nuke it. Level it. Human Ashtray. The dead piled like firewood.
Then we can move on to the idea of a 2-3 year "transition" and possible free trade in services.
Underneath the shock-jock hyperbole, SeanT makes a very valid point... namely that most leavers will look at the complicated issue of Ireland making demands over the border and see it as interference in a sovereign British decision to leave the EU. To allow the RoI to dictate the terms of Brexit would be seen by the man on the street as the tail wagging the dog.
Simplistic? Possibly. Is it how most people will think? Probably.
There is truth in this. Dialling down the drunken nonsense (NB: benpointer) I do believe that the EU is overplaying a strong hand. The British reaction to attempted bullying by wanky little countries like Ireland will be Fuck You. It's just silly, and guarantees ultra-hard Brexit.
I am sure this is what many in Brussels, Paris and Berlin want, short term, but I am not sure they have thought through the longer term implications.
Yup.
The man in the street doesn't listen to, or care about, the nuanced arguments over the Irish border. He probably sees half of them as mad bombers and the other half as guinness-drinking stereotypes. All he knows is that he voted for Brexit, and if the RoI is able to block that, then he was exactly, 100% spot on about Johnny Foreigner running his country. Support for Brexit increases.
Also, without going full rogue state and joining an axis of evil with Kim Wrong'un and Vladimir Putin, the UK's correct answer would be to treat the EU as a hostile foreign power. Withdraw security cooperation. Poach the role of tax haven for multinational businesses away from the likes of Ireland and Luxembourg (it's not like Juncker can complain about that one). And so on. Whether any of our spineless politicians will have the guts to pursue such an aggressive policy seems doubtful. But in the face of such outright hostility from the EU, it would become our best course of action.
Plans for a "hostile" Brexit should be drawn up as a white paper and made public. Then it's your move, EU.
Ireland not part of NATO though - which at least reduces the chance of occupation by the Americans. I suspect they’d be tempted anyway given the close relations...
If America had to choose England or Ireland, it would choose England. The Irish are good for a parade, but that's it.
We need to summon our Anglophone friends to a sensible, high level military summit, with some serious and level headed thinkers and wargamers, and then we need to wheel out a Trident sub and level the fuck out of Kerry. Nuke it. Level it. Human Ashtray. The dead piled like firewood.
Then we can move on to the idea of a 2-3 year "transition" and possible free trade in services.
Underneath the shock-jock hyperbole, SeanT makes a very valid point... namely that most leavers will look at the complicated issue of Ireland making demands over the border and see it as interference in a sovereign British decision to leave the EU. To allow the RoI to dictate the terms of Brexit would be seen by the man on the street as the tail wagging the dog.
Simplistic? Possibly. Is it how most people will think? Probably.
There is truth in this. Dialling down the drunken nonsense (NB: benpointer) I do believe that the EU is overplaying a strong hand. The British reaction to attempted bullying by wanky little countries like Ireland will be Fuck You. It's just silly, and guarantees ultra-hard Brexit.
I am sure this is what many in Brussels, Paris and Berlin want, short term, but I am not sure they have thought through the longer term implications.
Yup.
The man in the street doesn't listen to, or care about, the nuanced arguments over the Irish border. He probably sees half of them as mad bombers and the other half as guinness-drinking stereotypes. All he knows is that he voted for Brexit, and if the RoI is able to block that, then he was exactly, 100% spot on about Johnny Foreigner running his country. Support for Brexit increases.
Also, without going full rogue state and joining an axis of evil with Kim Wrong'un and Vladimir Putin, the UK's correct answer would be to treat the EU as a hostile foreign power. Withdraw security cooperation. Poach the role of tax haven for multinational businesses away from the likes of Ireland and Luxembourg (it's not like Juncker can complain about that one). And so on. Whether any of our spineless politicians will have the guts to pursue such an aggressive policy seems doubtful. But in the face of such outright hostility from the EU, it would become our best course of action.
Plans for a "hostile" Brexit should be drawn up as a white paper and made public. Then it's your move, EU.
Didn't SeanT coin the phrase "Diamond Brexit" on here a while back?
Ireland not part of NATO though - which at least reduces the chance of occupation by the Americans. I suspect they’d be tempted anyway given the close relations...
SNIP
We need to summon our Anglophone friends to a sensible, high level military summit, with some serious and level headed thinkers and wargamers, and then we need to wheel out a Trident sub and level the fuck out of Kerry. Nuke it. Level it. Human Ashtray. The dead piled like firewood.
Then we can move on to the idea of a 2-3 year "transition" and possible free trade in services.
Underneath the shock-jock hyperbole, SeanT makes a very valid point... namely that most leavers will look at the complicated issue of Ireland making demands over the border and see it as interference in a sovereign British decision to leave the EU. To allow the RoI to dictate the terms of Brexit would be seen by the man on the street as the tail wagging the dog.
Simplistic? Possibly. Is it how most people will think? Probably.
There is truth in this. Dialling down the drunken nonsense (NB: benpointer) I do believe that the EU is overplaying a strong hand. The British reaction to attempted bullying by wanky little countries like Ireland will be Fuck You. It's just silly, and guarantees ultra-hard Brexit.
I am sure this is what many in Brussels, Paris and Berlin want, short term, but I am not sure they have thought through the longer term implications.
Yup.
The man in the street doesn't listen to, or care about, the nuanced arguments over the Irish border. He probably sees half of them as mad bombers and the other half as guinness-drinking stereotypes. All he knows is that he voted for Brexit, and if the RoI is able to block that, then he was exactly, 100% spot on about Johnny Foreigner running his country. Support for Brexit increases.
Also, without going full rogue state and joining an axis of evil with Kim Wrong'un and Vladimir Putin, the UK's correct answer would be to treat the EU as a hostile foreign power. Withdraw security cooperation. Poach the role of tax haven for multinational businesses away from the likes of Ireland and Luxembourg (it's not like Juncker can complain about that one). And so on. Whether any of our spineless politicians will have the guts to pursue such an aggressive policy seems doubtful. But in the face of such outright hostility from the EU, it would become our best course of action.
Plans for a "hostile" Brexit should be drawn up as a white paper and made public. Then it's your move, EU.
Inviting Erdogan and Putin to London would be a good way to start. First to Vienna wins...
Ireland not part of NATO though - which at least reduces the chance of occupation by the Americans. I suspect they’d be tempted anyway given the close relations...
If America had to choose England or Ireland, it would choose England. The Irish are good for a parade, but that's it.
We need to summon our Anglophone friends to a sensible, high level military summit, with some serious and level headed thinkers and wargamers, and then we need to wheel out a Trident sub and level the fuck out of Kerry. Nuke it. Level it. Human Ashtray. The dead piled like firewood.
Then we can move on to the idea of a 2-3 year "transition" and possible free trade in services.
Dunno- half of America thinks it’s Irish.
I don’t see that the Americans much need the British. They don’t get our comedy, they don’t like our sports or our spelling.
Harry Potter, posh accents and old buildings is about it I reckon.
Hunt has played a good long game. He has converted to Brexit late in the day, but has not been tainted by touching Brexit directly like others have.
If Brexit turns into a !
Hunt will have to commit to leavingfor the majority of Tories.
Yes he can commit to all those red line issues because 'it was the will of the people'. If it goes wrong he can still say he was only supporting what the voters wanted because he is a democrat, and by the way he has it on record that he supported remain. Genius.
I am sure blue-rinse Tories respect damascene conversions to their point of view too!
He is easy on the ear and eye and doesn't come across as an absolute charlatan -although he may well be exactly that!
Fine in theory for Hunt, problem is as the old saying goes 'try and please everyone, end up pleasing no one!'
For someone not generally of the Tory persuasion I would prefer Prime Minister Hunt to PM Corbyn. If the choice wereoblivion, although he did f. all to prevent it!
Yes but you are in the minority of likely potential Tory voters.
You make the most incredible sweeping statements. If you don't want or need my vote, so be it! Comrade Corbyn it is then!
declare people non-Tories. Others are more accommodating
Anyone who Corbyn.
TSE is a member of the Conservative party. That makes him a Tory. You are not an Irish bandit, but I will accept you as a Tory.
@Mexicanpete is a potential Tory voter. That's good enough for me.
No it doesn't, it makes him a free market liberal who happens to think the Conservative Party is a better vehicle for his political ambitions than the Liberal Democrat Party. It does not make him a Tory given he is a republican who has no commitment to maintain the unity of the United Kingdom and its overseas territories.
Mexicanpete is a potential swing voter, again that does not make him a Tory. Anyone who would consider voting for Corbyn over Boris, Davis or Gove as he would is clearly not a committed Tory.
You've got to really hate the Romans to join the Judean People's Front.
There's a good chance TMay will lead the Tories into the next GE imo.
If Brexit goes reasonably well the clamour to change leader in the run up to an election will evaporate. And Brexit goes badly, no one will want to become the shortest serving PM in living memory.
After the next GE either Corbyn or his Labour sucessor is PM, or May wins again and carries on for years and the next PM is a new face currently outside the cabinet in all probablility.
If America had to choose England or Ireland, it would choose England. The Irish are good for a parade, but that's it.
We need to summon our Anglophone friends to a sensible, high level military summit, with some serious and level headed thinkers and wargamers, and then we need to wheel out a Trident sub and level the fuck out of Kerry. Nuke it. Level it. Human Ashtray. The dead piled like firewood.
Then we can move on to the idea of a 2-3 year "transition" and possible free trade in services.
Underneath the shock-jock hyperbole, SeanT makes a very valid point... namely that most leavers will look at the complicated issue of Ireland making demands over the border and see it as interference in a sovereign British decision to leave the EU. To allow the RoI to dictate the terms of Brexit would be seen by the man on the street as the tail wagging the dog.
Simplistic? Possibly. Is it how most people will think? Probably.
There is truth in this. Dialling down the drunken nonsense (NB: benpointer) I do believe that the EU is overplaying a strong hand. The British reaction to attempted bullying by wanky little countries like Ireland will be Fuck You. It's just silly, and guarantees ultra-hard Brexit.
I am sure this is what many in Brussels, Paris and Berlin want, short term, but I am not sure they have thought through the longer term implications.
Yup.
The man in the street doesn't listen to, or care about, the nuanced arguments over the Irish border. He probably sees half of them as mad bombers and the other half as guinness-drinking stereotypes. All he knows is that he voted for Brexit, and if the RoI is able to block that, then he was exactly, 100% spot on about Johnny Foreigner running his country. Support for Brexit increases.
Also, without going full rogue state and joining an axis of evil with Kim Wrong'un and Vladimir Putin, the UK's correct answer would be to treat the EU as a hostile foreign power. Withdraw security cooperation. Poach the role of tax haven for multinational businesses away from the likes of Ireland and Luxembourg (it's not like Juncker can complain about that one). And so on. Whether any of our spineless politicians will have the guts to pursue such an aggressive policy seems doubtful. But in the face of such outright hostility from the EU, it would become our best course of action.
Plans for a "hostile" Brexit should be drawn up as a white paper and made public. Then it's your move, EU.
Didn't SeanT coin the phrase "Diamond Brexit" on here a while back?
Time will tell how people feel about an Irish Border. My sense though is that the number of English jobs we are prepared to lose to help out the DUP in Northern Ireland will be small.
Time will tell how people feel about an Irish Border. My sense though is that the number of English jobs we are prepared to lose to help out the DUP in Northern Ireland will be small.
What do you mean help out the DUP? The DUP and the rest of Britain have the exact same objectives. All the DUP want is to be treated the same as the rest of the nation which is eminently reasonable.
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
Because it's munitions we could better use on Brussels?
Time will tell how people feel about an Irish Border. My sense though is that the number of English jobs we are prepared to lose to help out the DUP in Northern Ireland will be small.
What do you mean help out the DUP? The DUP and the rest of Britain have the exact same objectives. All the DUP want is to be treated the same as the rest of the nation which is eminently reasonable.
It’s academic as I still think a deal will be done.... but if the economy tanks because of the Irish Border/hostile no deal - what seems eminently reasonable to you won’t to others.
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
Because it's munitions we could better use on Brussels?
Why waste munitions? We can just deposit the £40bn in the form of pennies dropped from 10,000 ft
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
Because it's munitions we could better use on Brussels?
Why waste munitions? We can just deposit the £40bn in the form of pennies dropped from 10,000 ft
Good plan. Four trillion bits of copper-plated steel should be enough to bugger up every Belgian chocolate with jaw-breaking pennies......
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
Because it's munitions we could better use on Brussels?
One of the issues with nuking Kerry is that because of the prevailing winds, a lot of Wales and the SW of England would be coated in radioactive fallout.
While this does have the advantage of wiping out a predominantly Leave voting region, it does make filming the next series of Poldark tricky.
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
A hell of a lot of "lost" explosives and weapons, and a lot of experience in setting off bombs on the mainland UK. Anything else?
lol. What's the worst they did? Warrington? Brum? 30 dead?
One Trident warhead and Cork is returned to the Neolithic. And 50,000 are evaporated.
We should do it ANYWAY as a kind of warning shot, pre-Brexit transitional talks.
The IRA enforcers have cleared out the turned, and '5, ' 6 and the others have had their fundings cut back. Then there are the other side who have now realised how they were played by our security services. And you are stupid, drunk and "sarcastic" to suggest bombing Dublin back into radioactive glass. How many of Irish decent around the world who would be only too happy to support revenge.....
FFS, i was utterly joking. But if this actually became a war, then it is a war that England would win, and crushingly so.
I apologise if my late-night joke has been taken too seriously by the dimmer of PB-ers
I blame the fact that i just fucked my 22 year old wife TWICE in half an hour, and she is SERIOUSLY hot. Given that this unwarranted and undesired admission is way over the top, its embarrassment factor should surely distract from the idiot lefty commenters, and diminish their pain.
We must all chip in.
I seem to recall Naples is one of your favourite places. If some post coital relaxation is required, there's a fascinating televisualisation of Norman Lewis's Naples '44 on BBC 4 at the mo'.
Ireland not part of NATO though - which at least reduces the chance of occupation by the Americans. I suspect they’d be tempted anyway given the close relations...
If America had to choose England or Ireland, it would choose England. The Irish are good for a parade, but that's it.
We need to summon our Anglophone friends to a sensible, high level military summit, with some serious and level headed thinkers and wargamers, and then we need to wheel out a Trident sub and level the fuck out of Kerry. Nuke it. Level it. Human Ashtray. The dead piled like firewood.
Then we can move on to the idea of a 2-3 year "transition" and possible free trade in services.
Underneath the shock-jock hyperbole, SeanT makes a very valid point... namely that most leavers will look at the complicated issue of Ireland making demands over the border and see it as interference in a sovereign British decision to leave the EU. To allow the RoI to dictate the terms of Brexit would be seen by the man on the street as the tail wagging the dog.
Simplistic? Possibly. Is it how most people will think? Probably.
There is truth in this. Dialling down the drunken nonsense (NB: benpointer) I do believe that the EU is overplaying a strong hand. The British reaction to attempted bullying by wanky little countries like Ireland will be Fuck You. It's just silly, and guarantees ultra-hard Brexit.
I am sure this is what many in Brussels, Paris and Berlin want, short term, but I am not sure they have thought through the longer term implications.
Seems sound. We know plenty in Britain and the EU want it, not least because it is easier politically, at least initially.
On topic, I should have gotten on Hunt sooner, he's one of those you forget about when he's not right in front of you, but he's clearly a safer hand as a result than he gets credit for.
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
Because it's munitions we could better use on Brussels?
One of the issues with nuking Kerry is that because of the prevailing winds, a lot of Wales and the SW of England would be coated in radioactive fallout.
While this does have the advantage of wiping out a predominantly Leave voting region, it does make filming the next series of Poldark tricky.
For the benefit of the UK the coins/nukes/our country's opprobium would be be better directed at CCHQ. There is a certain irony at dropping a load of pennies on it and reminding them that these were pounds before there internecine war spilled over into destroying our country.
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
Because it's munitions we could better use on Brussels?
One of the issues with nuking Kerry is that because of the prevailing winds, a lot of Wales and the SW of England would be coated in radioactive fallout.
While this does have the advantage of wiping out a predominantly Leave voting region, it does make filming the next series of Poldark tricky.
For the benefit of the UK the coins/nukes/our country's opprobium would be be better directed at CCHQ. There is a certain irony at dropping a load of pennies on it and reminding them that these were pounds before there internecine war spilled over into destroying our country.
Na, I suggested pennies since there'd be a hundred times as many of them
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
Because it's munitions we could better use on Brussels?
One of the issues with nuking Kerry is that because of the prevailing winds, a lot of Wales and the SW of England would be coated in radioactive fallout.
While this does have the advantage of wiping out a predominantly Leave voting region, it does make filming the next series of Poldark tricky.
For the benefit of the UK the coins/nukes/our country's opprobium would be be better directed at CCHQ. There is a certain irony at dropping a load of pennies on it and reminding them that these were pounds before there internecine war spilled over into destroying our country.
I had no idea the tory party was so powerful it got 52% of a popular vote, even when divided. You learn something every day.
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
Because it's munitions we could better use on Brussels?
One of the issues with nuking Kerry is that because of the prevailing winds, a lot of Wales and the SW of England would be coated in radioactive fallout.
While this does have the advantage of wiping out a predominantly Leave voting region, it does make filming the next series of Poldark tricky.
For the benefit of the UK the coins/nukes/our country's opprobium would be be better directed at CCHQ. There is a certain irony at dropping a load of pennies on it and reminding them that these were pounds before there internecine war spilled over into destroying our country.
Na, I suggested pennies since there'd be a hundred times as many of them
Even better.. we go back to pre-declimal currency and there'd be 240x as many
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
Because it's munitions we could better use on Brussels?
One of the issues with nuking Kerry is that because of the prevailing winds, a lot of Wales and the SW of England would be coated in radioactive fallout.
While this does have the advantage of wiping out a predominantly Leave voting region, it does make filming the next series of Poldark tricky.
Actually, a single 100 kiloton Trident warhead would be (relatively) tame, killing just 390 people if pointed directly at Kerry's county town, Tralee. With a south easterly wind, Cork would be in trouble, but the West Country would be OK. Just make sure to stock up on iodine tablets first.
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
Because it's munitions we could better use on Brussels?
One of the issues with nuking Kerry is that because of the prevailing winds, a lot of Wales and the SW of England would be coated in radioactive fallout.
While this does have the advantage of wiping out a predominantly Leave voting region, it does make filming the next series of Poldark tricky.
Actually, a single 100 kiloton Trident warhead would be (relatively) tame, killing just 390 people if pointed directly at Kerry's county town, Tralee. With a south easterly wind, Cork would be in trouble, but the West Country would be OK. Just make sure to stock up on iodine tablets first.
Actually, a single 100 kiloton Trident warhead would be (relatively) tame, killing just 390 people if pointed directly at Kerry's county town, Tralee. With a south easterly wind, Cork would be in trouble, but the West Country would be OK. Just make sure to stock up on iodine tablets first.
A price worth paying for taking back control, I'm sure!
*Edited. Turns out I missed my target and a direct hit would take out closer to 20,000.
Nah, what you need to do is detonate it over Cork and do an airburst rather than a ground detonation.
Ground detonations are good for destroying buildings but the heat- and shock-waves are partially absorbed by the buildings, limiting the radius of the damage. If you want to kill lots of *people*, do an airburst, where the heat- and shock-waves are unimpeded over a wider radius.
Incidentally you get an EMP with an airburst but not a groundburst.
On terms of fallout, a groundburst generates and irradiates more fine particles, but an airburst spreads it over a wider area.
If you do a 100kt airburst over Cork, nukemap says, ~75K dead.
Can someone explain to me why there is something preventing us from bombing the fuck out of these Irish c*nts, and reducing Dublin to a pile of old rancid cat food and Georgian rubble?
Because it's munitions we could better use on Brussels?
One of the issues with nuking Kerry is that because of the prevailing winds, a lot of Wales and the SW of England would be coated in radioactive fallout.
While this does have the advantage of wiping out a predominantly Leave voting region, it does make filming the next series of Poldark tricky.
Actually, a single 100 kiloton Trident warhead would be (relatively) tame, killing just 390 people if pointed directly at Kerry's county town, Tralee. With a south easterly wind, Cork would be in trouble, but the West Country would be OK. Just make sure to stock up on iodine tablets first.
A price worth paying for taking back control, I'm sure!
*Edited. Turns out I missed my target and a direct hit would take out closer to 20,000.
Ah, sounds just like typical US battle plans. Are you in any way related?
Hah, I thought the same thing myself!
I typed in Kerry, Ireland and it took me to the airport... so when I moved the blast, I assumed the centre of the circle was the target, rather than the pin in the bottom. Let's hope the UI of the Trident systems are more robust
Inadvertently though, it did reveal that we could technically fire "a shot across the bow" with minimal casualties, which I'm sure will make SeanT's plan all the more viable when the PB Brains Trust delivers its Diamond Brexit plan to Number 10.
Why stop there? I'm sure Team Brexit could borrow a Tsar Bomba (50 megatons) from their friends in Mother Russia, knocking out 1.2m in one fell swoop. A north easterly wind would also have the effect of irradiating the Isle of Man, allowing Brexiteers to stick one to those pesky private jet loving tax-dodgers.
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I see now SeanT is just taking the piss. Not very funny though imo.
Simplistic? Possibly. Is it how most people will think? Probably.
Hint: b. is not the answer.
Have you considered the possibility - how shall I phrase this - that your IQ may not be quite in the decile which you hopefully expected?
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The man in the street doesn't listen to, or care about, the nuanced arguments over the Irish border. He probably sees half of them as mad bombers and the other half as guinness-drinking stereotypes. All he knows is that he voted for Brexit, and if the RoI is able to block that, then he was exactly, 100% spot on about Johnny Foreigner running his country. Support for Brexit increases.
Also, without going full rogue state and joining an axis of evil with Kim Wrong'un and Vladimir Putin, the UK's correct answer would be to treat the EU as a hostile foreign power. Withdraw security cooperation. Poach the role of tax haven for multinational businesses away from the likes of Ireland and Luxembourg (it's not like Juncker can complain about that one). And so on. Whether any of our spineless politicians will have the guts to pursue such an aggressive policy seems doubtful. But in the face of such outright hostility from the EU, it would become our best course of action.
Plans for a "hostile" Brexit should be drawn up as a white paper and made public. Then it's your move, EU.
I don’t see that the Americans much need the British.
They don’t get our comedy, they don’t like our sports or our spelling.
Harry Potter, posh accents and old buildings is about it I reckon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHWjlCaIrQo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3BO6GP9NMY
There's a good chance TMay will lead the Tories into the next GE imo.
If Brexit goes reasonably well the clamour to change leader in the run up to an election will evaporate. And Brexit goes badly, no one will want to become the shortest serving PM in living memory.
After the next GE either Corbyn or his Labour sucessor is PM, or May wins again and carries on for years and the next PM is a new face currently outside the cabinet in all probablility.
My sense though is that the number of English jobs we are prepared to lose to help out the DUP in Northern Ireland will be small.
While this does have the advantage of wiping out a predominantly Leave voting region, it does make filming the next series of Poldark tricky.
On topic, I should have gotten on Hunt sooner, he's one of those you forget about when he's not right in front of you, but he's clearly a safer hand as a result than he gets credit for.
http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?&airburst=0&casualties=1&fallout=1&fallout_angle=112&linked=1&kt=100&lat=52.1544607&lng=-9.5668633&hob_ft=0&fatalities=390&injuries=1233&psi_1=3850&zm=7
A price worth paying for taking back control, I'm sure!
*Edited. Turns out I missed my target and a direct hit would take out closer to 20,000.
Ground detonations are good for destroying buildings but the heat- and shock-waves are partially absorbed by the buildings, limiting the radius of the damage. If you want to kill lots of *people*, do an airburst, where the heat- and shock-waves are unimpeded over a wider radius.
Incidentally you get an EMP with an airburst but not a groundburst.
On terms of fallout, a groundburst generates and irradiates more fine particles, but an airburst spreads it over a wider area.
If you do a 100kt airburst over Cork, nukemap says, ~75K dead.
http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?&kt=100&lat=51.8983361&lng=-8.4844238&hob_ft=0&casualties=1&zm=12
I typed in Kerry, Ireland and it took me to the airport... so when I moved the blast, I assumed the centre of the circle was the target, rather than the pin in the bottom. Let's hope the UI of the Trident systems are more robust
Inadvertently though, it did reveal that we could technically fire "a shot across the bow" with minimal casualties, which I'm sure will make SeanT's plan all the more viable when the PB Brains Trust delivers its Diamond Brexit plan to Number 10.
http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?&kt=100&lat=51.5006412&lng=-0.1241714&hob_ft=0&casualties=1&zm=12
http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?&kt=50000&lat=53.3552832&lng=-6.2651855&hob_opt=2&hob_psi=5&hob_ft=13000&casualties=1&fallout=1&ff=3&fatalities=1215390&injuries=260593&psi_1=1789255&zm=7