The US Supreme Court has ruled that President Trump's travel ban on six mainly Muslim countries can go fully into effect.
Seven of the nine justices have granted the administration's request to lift injunctions imposed by lower courts blocking the ban.
.....Protests incoming....
That's really not a surprise, reading the judgement of such a ban reaches the SCOTUS then the ruling will be fairly straightforward. The executive branch has been given the power by Congress to make any and all decisions on banning the entry of non-citizens.
Well, it does raise the question as to why a bunch of Federal Circuit Court judges all managed to find the ban was illegal in the first place when frankly the legal position was always pretty clear.
This week the House Foreign Affairs Committee will be holding a hearing on the implications of Brexit. As two members of the committee, we will be addressing the issues faced by the people on the island of Ireland. The potential return to a hard border is sparking fears of renewed political violence. We believe the United Kingdom must come to an agreement on a written declaration outlining its plans to avoid a hard border before entering “Phase 2” of the Brexit negotiations, for the good of the ongoing peace process on the island.
Time for them to get their chequebooks out then.
I don't quite see why having to go through a border check would necessarily generate the conditions for renewed violence. A reduction in hyperbole would be appreciated on this sort of topic.
This week the House Foreign Affairs Committee will be holding a hearing on the implications of Brexit. As two members of the committee, we will be addressing the issues faced by the people on the island of Ireland. The potential return to a hard border is sparking fears of renewed political violence. We believe the United Kingdom must come to an agreement on a written declaration outlining its plans to avoid a hard border before entering “Phase 2” of the Brexit negotiations, for the good of the ongoing peace process on the island.
Time for them to get their chequebooks out then.
I don't quite see why having to go through a border check would necessarily generate the conditions for renewed violence. A reduction in hyperbole would be appreciated on this sort of topic.
The US Supreme Court has ruled that President Trump's travel ban on six mainly Muslim countries can go fully into effect.
Seven of the nine justices have granted the administration's request to lift injunctions imposed by lower courts blocking the ban.
.....Protests incoming....
That's really not a surprise, reading the judgement of such a ban reaches the SCOTUS then the ruling will be fairly straightforward. The executive branch has been given the power by Congress to make any and all decisions on banning the entry of non-citizens.
Well, it does raise the question as to why a bunch of Federal Circuit Court judges all managed to find the ban was illegal in the first place when frankly the legal position was always pretty clear.
The US Supreme Court has ruled that President Trump's travel ban on six mainly Muslim countries can go fully into effect.
Seven of the nine justices have granted the administration's request to lift injunctions imposed by lower courts blocking the ban.
.....Protests incoming....
That's really not a surprise, reading the judgement of such a ban reaches the SCOTUS then the ruling will be fairly straightforward. The executive branch has been given the power by Congress to make any and all decisions on banning the entry of non-citizens.
Well, it does raise the question as to why a bunch of Federal Circuit Court judges all managed to find the ban was illegal in the first place when frankly the legal position was always pretty clear.
Because it raised their profiles and gave them a platform? Judges do like to make names for themselves. The next gang to take office might promote them for taking such a "noble" stand...
They're shameless. Even with the head of the Met saying that they're investigating the release of confidential information as a crime, the BBC is continuing to parrot the very information which they were an accessory in the potentially illegal release of. They can't mention the case without naming him, and talking about 1000s of pictures.
I hope, but obviously can't imagine will happen, that the result of the investigation by the Met is that these two bent cops almost certainly fabricated the information, and nothing was actually found on the computer. That is the only result that would be fair to the DPM. If the bent cops won't shut up, they should be locked up.
If there was no porn and it was all fabricated, then what confidential information has been released "as a crime"?
He admitted in his interview to not destroying the copies that he was ordered to by the Met. That's what he's being investigated for. If the investigations discover that he also fabricated that evidence, then there was nothing there except bent cops.
I hope he loses his pension over this, I really do. We cannot have police behaving like this.
The US Supreme Court has ruled that President Trump's travel ban on six mainly Muslim countries can go fully into effect.
Seven of the nine justices have granted the administration's request to lift injunctions imposed by lower courts blocking the ban.
.....Protests incoming....
That's really not a surprise, reading the judgement of such a ban reaches the SCOTUS then the ruling will be fairly straightforward. The executive branch has been given the power by Congress to make any and all decisions on banning the entry of non-citizens.
Well, it does raise the question as to why a bunch of Federal Circuit Court judges all managed to find the ban was illegal in the first place when frankly the legal position was always pretty clear.
Because they disagree with the policy. Activist judges, no more, no less.
They're shameless. Even with the head of the Met saying that they're investigating the release of confidential information as a crime, the BBC is continuing to parrot the very information which they were an accessory in the potentially illegal release of. They can't mention the case without naming him, and talking about 1000s of pictures.
I hope, but obviously can't imagine will happen, that the result of the investigation by the Met is that these two bent cops almost certainly fabricated the information, and nothing was actually found on the computer. That is the only result that would be fair to the DPM. If the bent cops won't shut up, they should be locked up.
If there was no porn and it was all fabricated, then what confidential information has been released "as a crime"?
He admitted in his interview to not destroying the copies that he was ordered to by the Met. That's what he's being investigated for. If the investigations discover that he also fabricated that evidence, then there was nothing there except bent cops.
I hope he loses his pension over this, I really do. We cannot have police behaving like this.
Along with a temporary loss of liberty - I would hope too.
To be honest, I didn't have the energy to write a full thread tonight, so I did this.
Much appreciated.
It was really good having the thread a couple of days ago which, by happy chance, made no mention at all of the 'B' word in the comments section. I see this one has already failed on that score but I will try to maintain that spirit.
I am somewhat concerned with your apparently integral association of snow with Christmas movies. After all, The Thing has probably more snow in it than any other I can think of but is certainly not a Christmas Movie.
I think to qualify as a Christmas movie it has to have most of the following elements
1) Snow 2) Set around Christmas 3) Have mention of God, Angels, Jesus, Joseph and Mary. 4) Santa 5) Have good Christian values in it
Nailed on the best Christmas movie is A Muppet Christmas Carol. Michael Caines finest performance.
Obviously. Although I do love Miracle on 34th Street. Especially the scene with the deaf and dumb girl. Real Christmas magic.
They're shameless. Even with the head of the Met saying that they're investigating the release of confidential information as a crime, the BBC is continuing to parrot the very information which they were an accessory in the potentially illegal release of. They can't mention the case without naming him, and talking about 1000s of pictures.
I hope, but obviously can't imagine will happen, that the result of the investigation by the Met is that these two bent cops almost certainly fabricated the information, and nothing was actually found on the computer. That is the only result that would be fair to the DPM. If the bent cops won't shut up, they should be locked up.
If there was no porn and it was all fabricated, then what confidential information has been released "as a crime"?
He admitted in his interview to not destroying the copies that he was ordered to by the Met. That's what he's being investigated for. If the investigations discover that he also fabricated that evidence, then there was nothing there except bent cops.
Oh, and he's also obviously being investigated for then releasing those illegally retained, and quite possibly faked, copies hand in hand with his BBC accomplices. Why the hell have the BBC embroiled themselves in something so clearly political, and so damned blatantly wrong? Why didn't their legal team stop this? I hope heads roll, and that Green gets adequately compensated by the BBC's and the Met's savings on pensions.
This week the House Foreign Affairs Committee will be holding a hearing on the implications of Brexit. As two members of the committee, we will be addressing the issues faced by the people on the island of Ireland. The potential return to a hard border is sparking fears of renewed political violence. We believe the United Kingdom must come to an agreement on a written declaration outlining its plans to avoid a hard border before entering “Phase 2” of the Brexit negotiations, for the good of the ongoing peace process on the island.
NORAID revisited ?
The ROI can’t afford a border, nobody wants a border - why do the Irish keep making these bogus threats ?
They're shameless. Even with the head of the Met saying that they're investigating the release of confidential information as a crime, the BBC is continuing to parrot the very information which they were an accessory in the potentially illegal release of. They can't mention the case without naming him, and talking about 1000s of pictures.
I hope, but obviously can't imagine will happen, that the result of the investigation by the Met is that these two bent cops almost certainly fabricated the information, and nothing was actually found on the computer. That is the only result that would be fair to the DPM. If the bent cops won't shut up, they should be locked up.
If there was no porn and it was all fabricated, then what confidential information has been released "as a crime"?
He admitted in his interview to not destroying the copies that he was ordered to by the Met. That's what he's being investigated for. If the investigations discover that he also fabricated that evidence, then there was nothing there except bent cops.
I hope he loses his pension over this, I really do. We cannot have police behaving like this.
Along with a temporary loss of liberty - I would hope too.
It might be possible to get the Met, and the bent cops, to agree to the falsified evidence line if they're allowed to disappear.
They're shameless. Even with the head of the Met saying that they're investigating the release of confidential information as a crime, the BBC is continuing to parrot the very information which they were an accessory in the potentially illegal release of. They can't mention the case without naming him, and talking about 1000s of pictures.
I hope, but obviously can't imagine will happen, that the result of the investigation by the Met is that these two bent cops almost certainly fabricated the information, and nothing was actually found on the computer. That is the only result that would be fair to the DPM. If the bent cops won't shut up, they should be locked up.
If there was no porn and it was all fabricated, then what confidential information has been released "as a crime"?
He admitted in his interview to not destroying the copies that he was ordered to by the Met. That's what he's being investigated for. If the investigations discover that he also fabricated that evidence, then there was nothing there except bent cops.
Oh, and he's also obviously being investigated for then releasing those illegally retained, and quite possibly faked, copies hand in hand with his BBC accomplices. Why the hell have the BBC embroiled themselves in something so clearly political, and so damned blatantly wrong? Why didn't their legal team stop this? I hope heads roll, and that Green gets adequately compensated by the BBC's and the Met's savings on pensions.
Green is guilty IMO
Ex Police Whistleblowers GOOD ON THEM
Guilty in your opinion? That’s not how the justice system works. And leaking material they were ordered to destroy after no evidence of criminality was found is surely not whistleblowing?
This week the House Foreign Affairs Committee will be holding a hearing on the implications of Brexit. As two members of the committee, we will be addressing the issues faced by the people on the island of Ireland. The potential return to a hard border is sparking fears of renewed political violence. We believe the United Kingdom must come to an agreement on a written declaration outlining its plans to avoid a hard border before entering “Phase 2” of the Brexit negotiations, for the good of the ongoing peace process on the island.
NORAID revisited ?
The ROI can’t afford a border, nobody wants a border - why do the Irish keep making these bogus threats ?
Because if they keep their mouths open they hope they'll be stuffed with more money.
They're shameless. Even with the head of the Met saying that they're investigating the release of confidential information as a crime, the BBC is continuing to parrot the very information which they were an accessory in the potentially illegal release of. They can't mention the case without naming him, and talking about 1000s of pictures.
I hope, but obviously can't imagine will happen, that the result of the investigation by the Met is that these two bent cops almost certainly fabricated the information, and nothing was actually found on the computer. That is the only result that would be fair to the DPM. If the bent cops won't shut up, they should be locked up.
If there was no porn and it was all fabricated, then what confidential information has been released "as a crime"?
He admitted in his interview to not destroying the copies that he was ordered to by the Met. That's what he's being investigated for. If the investigations discover that he also fabricated that evidence, then there was nothing there except bent cops.
Oh, and he's also obviously being investigated for then releasing those illegally retained, and quite possibly faked, copies hand in hand with his BBC accomplices. Why the hell have the BBC embroiled themselves in something so clearly political, and so damned blatantly wrong? Why didn't their legal team stop this? I hope heads roll, and that Green gets adequately compensated by the BBC's and the Met's savings on pensions.
The US Supreme Court has ruled that President Trump's travel ban on six mainly Muslim countries can go fully into effect.
Seven of the nine justices have granted the administration's request to lift injunctions imposed by lower courts blocking the ban.
.....Protests incoming....
7 of 9, as well as being absolutely gorgeous, is a big win. What I find slightly weird about the American system is that within months some Federal Judges will be granting interim injunctions about something else without due regard to this decision.
To be honest, I didn't have the energy to write a full thread tonight, so I did this.
Much appreciated.
It was really good having the thread a couple of days ago which, by happy chance, made no mention at all of the 'B' word in the comments section. I see this one has already failed on that score but I will try to maintain that spirit.
I am somewhat concerned with your apparently integral association of snow with Christmas movies. After all, The Thing has probably more snow in it than any other I can think of but is certainly not a Christmas Movie.
I think to qualify as a Christmas movie it has to have most of the following elements
1) Snow 2) Set around Christmas 3) Have mention of God, Angels, Jesus, Joseph and Mary. 4) Santa 5) Have good Christian values in it
Nailed on the best Christmas movie is A Muppet Christmas Carol. Michael Caines finest performance.
Obviously. Although I do love Miracle on 34th Street. Especially the scene with the deaf and dumb girl. Real Christmas magic.
They show Miracle on 34th Street at, er, Christmas at the Berkeley Hotel in Lahndun outside on the roof terrace with blankets, mulled wine and mince pies.
They're shameless. Even with the head of the Met saying that they're investigating the release of confidential information as a crime, the BBC is continuing to parrot the very information which they were an accessory in the potentially illegal release of. They can't mention the case without naming him, and talking about 1000s of pictures.
I hope, but obviously can't imagine will happen, that the result of the investigation by the Met is that these two bent cops almost certainly fabricated the information, and nothing was actually found on the computer. That is the only result that would be fair to the DPM. If the bent cops won't shut up, they should be locked up.
If there was no porn and it was all fabricated, then what confidential information has been released "as a crime"?
He admitted in his interview to not destroying the copies that he was ordered to by the Met. That's what he's being investigated for. If the investigations discover that he also fabricated that evidence, then there was nothing there except bent cops.
I hope he loses his pension over this, I really do. We cannot have police behaving like this.
Along with a temporary loss of liberty - I would hope too.
It might be possible to get the Met, and the bent cops, to agree to the falsified evidence line if they're allowed to disappear.
What evidence has been falsified.
Desperate attempt to save Green by shifting the blame will not work
They're shameless. Even with the head of the Met saying that they're investigating the release of confidential information as a crime, the BBC is continuing to parrot the very information which they were an accessory in the potentially illegal release of. They can't mention the case without naming him, and talking about 1000s of pictures.
I hope, but obviously can't imagine will happen, that the result of the investigation by the Met is that these two bent cops almost certainly fabricated the information, and nothing was actually found on the computer. That is the only result that would be fair to the DPM. If the bent cops won't shut up, they should be locked up.
If there was no porn and it was all fabricated, then what confidential information has been released "as a crime"?
He admitted in his interview to not destroying the copies that he was ordered to by the Met. That's what he's being investigated for. If the investigations discover that he also fabricated that evidence, then there was nothing there except bent cops.
I hope he loses his pension over this, I really do. We cannot have police behaving like this.
Along with a temporary loss of liberty - I would hope too.
It might be possible to get the Met, and the bent cops, to agree to the falsified evidence line if they're allowed to disappear.
What evidence has been falsified.
Desperate attempt to save Green by shifting the blame will not work
I believe it was a hypothetical Either they released information they were ordered to destroy, or they falsified the information.
To be honest, I didn't have the energy to write a full thread tonight, so I did this.
Much appreciated.
It was really good having the thread a couple of days ago which, by happy chance, made no mention at all of the 'B' word in the comments section. I see this one has already failed on that score but I will try to maintain that spirit.
I am somewhat concerned with your apparently integral association of snow with Christmas movies. After all, The Thing has probably more snow in it than any other I can think of but is certainly not a Christmas Movie.
I think to qualify as a Christmas movie it has to have most of the following elements
1) Snow 2) Set around Christmas 3) Have mention of God, Angels, Jesus, Joseph and Mary. 4) Santa 5) Have good Christian values in it
Nailed on the best Christmas movie is A Muppet Christmas Carol. Michael Caines finest performance.
Obviously. Although I do love Miracle on 34th Street. Especially the scene with the deaf and dumb girl. Real Christmas magic.
They show Miracle on 34th Street at, er, Christmas at the Berkeley Hotel in Lahndun outside on the roof terrace with blankets, mulled wine and mince pies.
A real treat if you can book it.
Going to see Love Actually with a symphony orchestra at the Usher Hall in Edinburgh tomorrow night with my better half. London is a bit far!
The US Supreme Court has ruled that President Trump's travel ban on six mainly Muslim countries can go fully into effect.
Seven of the nine justices have granted the administration's request to lift injunctions imposed by lower courts blocking the ban.
.....Protests incoming....
7 of 9, as well as being absolutely gorgeous, is a big win. What I find slightly weird about the American system is that within months some Federal Judges will be granting interim injunctions about something else without due regard to this decision.
Judicial activism in the US is really bad, I guess that's what happens when judges need to be voted in.
To be honest, I didn't have the energy to write a full thread tonight, so I did this.
Much appreciated.
It was really good having the thread a couple of days ago which, by happy chance, made no mention at all of the 'B' word in the comments section. I see this one has already failed on that score but I will try to maintain that spirit.
I am somewhat concerned with your apparently integral association of snow with Christmas movies. After all, The Thing has probably more snow in it than any other I can think of but is certainly not a Christmas Movie.
I think to qualify as a Christmas movie it has to have most of the following elements
1) Snow 2) Set around Christmas 3) Have mention of God, Angels, Jesus, Joseph and Mary. 4) Santa 5) Have good Christian values in it
Nailed on the best Christmas movie is A Muppet Christmas Carol. Michael Caines finest performance.
Obviously. Although I do love Miracle on 34th Street. Especially the scene with the deaf and dumb girl. Real Christmas magic.
They show Miracle on 34th Street at, er, Christmas at the Berkeley Hotel in Lahndun outside on the roof terrace with blankets, mulled wine and mince pies.
A real treat if you can book it.
Going to see Love Actually with a symphony orchestra at the Usher Hall in Edinburgh tomorrow night with my better half. London is a bit far!
They're shameless. Even with the head of the Met saying that they're investigating the release of confidential information as a crime, the BBC is continuing to parrot the very information which they were an accessory in the potentially illegal release of. They can't mention the case without naming him, and talking about 1000s of pictures.
I hope, but obviously can't imagine will happen, that the result of the investigation by the Met is that these two bent cops almost certainly fabricated the information, and nothing was actually found on the computer. That is the only result that would be fair to the DPM. If the bent cops won't shut up, they should be locked up.
If there was no porn and it was all fabricated, then what confidential information has been released "as a crime"?
He admitted in his interview to not destroying the copies that he was ordered to by the Met. That's what he's being investigated for. If the investigations discover that he also fabricated that evidence, then there was nothing there except bent cops.
Oh, and he's also obviously being investigated for then releasing those illegally retained, and quite possibly faked, copies hand in hand with his BBC accomplices. Why the hell have the BBC embroiled themselves in something so clearly political, and so damned blatantly wrong? Why didn't their legal team stop this? I hope heads roll, and that Green gets adequately compensated by the BBC's and the Met's savings on pensions.
Green is guilty IMO
Ex Police Whistleblowers GOOD ON THEM
Even if the alleged facts are true he still isn't "guilty" in that nobody claims an offence has been committed. And what the ex policemen are up to is not whistleblowing. It is depressing to see otherwise sensible posters condone their misconduct on party grounds. And before you ask, yes I would be saying exactly the same thing if this were about a Labour politician.
They're shameless. Even with the head of the Met saying that they're investigating the release of confidential information as a crime, the BBC is continuing to parrot the very information which they were an accessory in the potentially illegal release of. They can't mention the case without naming him, and talking about 1000s of pictures.
I hope, but obviously can't imagine will happen, that the result of the investigation by the Met is that these two bent cops almost certainly fabricated the information, and nothing was actually found on the computer. That is the only result that would be fair to the DPM. If the bent cops won't shut up, they should be locked up.
If there was no porn and it was all fabricated, then what confidential information has been released "as a crime"?
He admitted in his interview to not destroying the copies that he was ordered to by the Met. That's what he's being investigated for. If the investigations discover that he also fabricated that evidence, then there was nothing there except bent cops.
I hope he loses his pension over this, I really do. We cannot have police behaving like this.
Along with a temporary loss of liberty - I would hope too.
It might be possible to get the Met, and the bent cops, to agree to the falsified evidence line if they're allowed to disappear.
What evidence has been falsified.
Desperate attempt to save Green by shifting the blame will not work
I believe it was a hypothetical Either they released information they were ordered to destroy, or they falsified the information.
Oh I see.
So either Greens computer had thousands of Porn images on it or it did
They're shameless. Even with the head of the Met saying that they're investigating the release of confidential information as a crime, the BBC is continuing to parrot the very information which they were an accessory in the potentially illegal release of. They can't mention the case without naming him, and talking about 1000s of pictures.
I hope, but obviously can't imagine will happen, that the result of the investigation by the Met is that these two bent cops almost certainly fabricated the information, and nothing was actually found on the computer. That is the only result that would be fair to the DPM. If the bent cops won't shut up, they should be locked up.
If there was no porn and it was all fabricated, then what confidential information has been released "as a crime"?
He admitted in his interview to not destroying the copies that he was ordered to by the Met. That's what he's being investigated for. If the investigations discover that he also fabricated that evidence, then there was nothing there except bent cops.
I hope he loses his pension over this, I really do. We cannot have police behaving like this.
Along with a temporary loss of liberty - I would hope too.
It might be possible to get the Met, and the bent cops, to agree to the falsified evidence line if they're allowed to disappear.
Shouldn't happen, I should add! Or remotely possible, but just thinking of a way that the story can be changed. If the cops were chasing the bent cops for falsifying evidence, that would be big and Green would be commonly seen as the victim. Which is what should happen. His reasonable defence that it's possible to have that on the computer without looking on it doesn't remove the stain that the bent cops, and even more the BBC, have worked hard to tattoo on his character. A bent cop chase, even if they get away, would do him wonders.
Bravo Richard, everyone needs time off from worrying about the B-word. I've found my impending marriage (29th December!) has, unaccountably, distracted me from all the hoop-la. Perhaps others can find some (possibly less life-changing) remedy of their own. Shall we have the equivalent of the Christmas truce in WW1 for the evening?
Congrats Mr M!
Attractive idea!
Is anyone else exploring the pleasures of Amazon Prime? I've been enjoying The Man in the High Castle, The Beginning of Everything (Zelda Fitzgerald), Casual, and a couple more - really good value compared with actually trekking out to a cinema and paying £20.
They're shameless. Even with the head of the Met saying that they're investigating the release of confidential information as a crime, the BBC is continuing to parrot the very information which they were an accessory in the potentially illegal release of. They can't mention the case without naming him, and talking about 1000s of pictures.
I hope, but obviously can't imagine will happen, that the result of the investigation by the Met is that these two bent cops almost certainly fabricated the information, and nothing was actually found on the computer. That is the only result that would be fair to the DPM. If the bent cops won't shut up, they should be locked up.
If there was no porn and it was all fabricated, then what confidential information has been released "as a crime"?
He admitted in his interview to not destroying the copies that he was ordered to by the Met. That's what he's being investigated for. If the investigations discover that he also fabricated that evidence, then there was nothing there except bent cops.
I hope he loses his pension over this, I really do. We cannot have police behaving like this.
Along with a temporary loss of liberty - I would hope too.
It might be possible to get the Met, and the bent cops, to agree to the falsified evidence line if they're allowed to disappear.
What evidence has been falsified.
Desperate attempt to save Green by shifting the blame will not work
I believe it was a hypothetical Either they released information they were ordered to destroy, or they falsified the information.
Oh I see.
So either Greens computer had thousands of Porn images on it or it did
FairyNuff
Well we were talking about the misconduct of the police. Either they released information they had been ordered to destroy (bad), or are falsifying the reports (also bad).
They're shameless. Even with the head of the Met saying that they're investigating the release of confidential information as a crime, the BBC is continuing to parrot the very information which they were an accessory in the potentially illegal release of. They can't mention the case without naming him, and talking about 1000s of pictures.
I hope, but obviously can't imagine will happen, that the result of the investigation by the Met is that these two bent cops almost certainly fabricated the information, and nothing was actually found on the computer. That is the only result that would be fair to the DPM. If the bent cops won't shut up, they should be locked up.
If there was no porn and it was all fabricated, then what confidential information has been released "as a crime"?
He admitted in his interview to not destroying the copies that he was ordered to by the Met. That's what he's being investigated for. If the investigations discover that he also fabricated that evidence, then there was nothing there except bent cops.
Oh, and he's also obviously being investigated for then releasing those illegally retained, and quite possibly faked, copies hand in hand with his BBC accomplices. Why the hell have the BBC embroiled themselves in something so clearly political, and so damned blatantly wrong? Why didn't their legal team stop this? I hope heads roll, and that Green gets adequately compensated by the BBC's and the Met's savings on pensions.
Green is guilty IMO
Ex Police Whistleblowers GOOD ON THEM
You're delighted to see justice perverted. You're the biggest pervert here.
Bravo Richard, everyone needs time off from worrying about the B-word. I've found my impending marriage (29th December!) has, unaccountably, distracted me from all the hoop-la. Perhaps others can find some (possibly less life-changing) remedy of their own. Shall we have the equivalent of the Christmas truce in WW1 for the evening?
Congrats Mr M!
Attractive idea!
Is anyone else exploring the pleasures of Amazon Prime? I've been enjoying The Man in the High Castle, The Beginning of Everything (Zelda Fitzgerald), Casual, and a couple more - really good value compared with actually trekking out to a cinema and paying £20.
Bravo Richard, everyone needs time off from worrying about the B-word. I've found my impending marriage (29th December!) has, unaccountably, distracted me from all the hoop-la. Perhaps others can find some (possibly less life-changing) remedy of their own. Shall we have the equivalent of the Christmas truce in WW1 for the evening?
Congrats Mr M!
Attractive idea!
Is anyone else exploring the pleasures of Amazon Prime? I've been enjoying The Man in the High Castle, The Beginning of Everything (Zelda Fitzgerald), Casual, and a couple more - really good value compared with actually trekking out to a cinema and paying £20.
Bravo Richard, everyone needs time off from worrying about the B-word. I've found my impending marriage (29th December!) has, unaccountably, distracted me from all the hoop-la. Perhaps others can find some (possibly less life-changing) remedy of their own. Shall we have the equivalent of the Christmas truce in WW1 for the evening?
Congrats Mr M!
Attractive idea!
Is anyone else exploring the pleasures of Amazon Prime? I've been enjoying The Man in the High Castle, The Beginning of Everything (Zelda Fitzgerald), Casual, and a couple more - really good value compared with actually trekking out to a cinema and paying £20.
Lucifer is another gem on Amazon Prime.
The Americans all day long. Especially for Nick for that matter.
Bravo Richard, everyone needs time off from worrying about the B-word. I've found my impending marriage (29th December!) has, unaccountably, distracted me from all the hoop-la. Perhaps others can find some (possibly less life-changing) remedy of their own. Shall we have the equivalent of the Christmas truce in WW1 for the evening?
Congrats Mr M!
Attractive idea!
Is anyone else exploring the pleasures of Amazon Prime? I've been enjoying The Man in the High Castle, The Beginning of Everything (Zelda Fitzgerald), Casual, and a couple more - really good value compared with actually trekking out to a cinema and paying £20.
Lucifer is another gem on Amazon Prime.
The Americans all day long. Especially for Nick for that matter.
The US Supreme Court has ruled that President Trump's travel ban on six mainly Muslim countries can go fully into effect.
Seven of the nine justices have granted the administration's request to lift injunctions imposed by lower courts blocking the ban.
.....Protests incoming....
7 of 9, as well as being absolutely gorgeous, is a big win. What I find slightly weird about the American system is that within months some Federal Judges will be granting interim injunctions about something else without due regard to this decision.
Judicial activism in the US is really bad, I guess that's what happens when judges need to be voted in.
Its a long way from the only Judgment that he and the Supreme Court have given which seems to be based upon their view of what public policy should be rather than what Parliament decided it should be.
Whatever the merits of any individual decision, I find the powers the Supreme Court in the UK have given themselves in this respect in recent years troubling and ultimately undemocratic.
Bravo Richard, everyone needs time off from worrying about the B-word. I've found my impending marriage (29th December!) has, unaccountably, distracted me from all the hoop-la. Perhaps others can find some (possibly less life-changing) remedy of their own. Shall we have the equivalent of the Christmas truce in WW1 for the evening?
Congrats Mr M!
Attractive idea!
Is anyone else exploring the pleasures of Amazon Prime? I've been enjoying The Man in the High Castle, The Beginning of Everything (Zelda Fitzgerald), Casual, and a couple more - really good value compared with actually trekking out to a cinema and paying £20.
I am working my way through the Walking Dead at the rate of 2 episodes a night. Not sure if this is a good use of my time.
Bravo Richard, everyone needs time off from worrying about the B-word. I've found my impending marriage (29th December!) has, unaccountably, distracted me from all the hoop-la. Perhaps others can find some (possibly less life-changing) remedy of their own. Shall we have the equivalent of the Christmas truce in WW1 for the evening?
Congrats Mr M!
Attractive idea!
Is anyone else exploring the pleasures of Amazon Prime? I've been enjoying The Man in the High Castle, The Beginning of Everything (Zelda Fitzgerald), Casual, and a couple more - really good value compared with actually trekking out to a cinema and paying £20.
I am working my way through the Walking Dead at the rate of 2 episodes a night. Not sure if this is a good use of my time.
Edit: but I worry I may have to boycott Amazon in general if I read much more about their treatment of employees.
Bravo Richard, everyone needs time off from worrying about the B-word. I've found my impending marriage (29th December!) has, unaccountably, distracted me from all the hoop-la. Perhaps others can find some (possibly less life-changing) remedy of their own. Shall we have the equivalent of the Christmas truce in WW1 for the evening?
Congrats Mr M!
Attractive idea!
Is anyone else exploring the pleasures of Amazon Prime? I've been enjoying The Man in the High Castle, The Beginning of Everything (Zelda Fitzgerald), Casual, and a couple more - really good value compared with actually trekking out to a cinema and paying £20.
I am working my way through the Walking Dead at the rate of 2 episodes a night. Not sure if this is a good use of my time.
I have recently enjoyed Manhunt Unabomber and Mindhunter. I also caught up on Medici - Masters of Florence from a couple of years ago - stylish but not as raunchy as The Borgias!
They're shameless. Even with the head of the Met saying that they're investigating the release of confidential information as a crime, the BBC is continuing to parrot the very information which they were an accessory in the potentially illegal release of. They can't mention the case without naming him, and talking about 1000s of pictures.
I hope, but obviously can't imagine will happen, that the result of the investigation by the Met is that these two bent cops almost certainly fabricated the information, and nothing was actually found on the computer. That is the only result that would be fair to the DPM. If the bent cops won't shut up, they should be locked up.
If there was no porn and it was all fabricated, then what confidential information has been released "as a crime"?
He admitted in his interview to not destroying the copies that he was ordered to by the Met. That's what he's being investigated for. If the investigations discover that he also fabricated that evidence, then there was nothing there except bent cops.
I hope he loses his pension over this, I really do. We cannot have police behaving like this.
Along with a temporary loss of liberty - I would hope too.
It might be possible to get the Met, and the bent cops, to agree to the falsified evidence line if they're allowed to disappear.
What evidence has been falsified.
Desperate attempt to save Green by shifting the blame will not work
I believe it was a hypothetical Either they released information they were ordered to destroy, or they falsified the information.
Oh I see.
So either Greens computer had thousands of Porn images on it or it did
FairyNuff
You are an insane Labour cultist pervert. You are enjoying an utterly disgraceful series of actions by bent cops, and their collusion with the state broadcaster, for political advantage. I hope to god you don't get to live under the state that your perverted comments are justifying.
Bravo Richard, everyone needs time off from worrying about the B-word. I've found my impending marriage (29th December!) has, unaccountably, distracted me from all the hoop-la. Perhaps others can find some (possibly less life-changing) remedy of their own. Shall we have the equivalent of the Christmas truce in WW1 for the evening?
Congrats Mr M!
Attractive idea!
Is anyone else exploring the pleasures of Amazon Prime? I've been enjoying The Man in the High Castle, The Beginning of Everything (Zelda Fitzgerald), Casual, and a couple more - really good value compared with actually trekking out to a cinema and paying £20.
I am working my way through the Walking Dead at the rate of 2 episodes a night. Not sure if this is a good use of my time.
Edit: but I worry I may have to boycott Amazon in general if I read much more about their treatment of employees.
I am trying to keep Amazon to a minimum this year. They are convenient, but a cancer on our retail economy.
Bravo Richard, everyone needs time off from worrying about the B-word. I've found my impending marriage (29th December!) has, unaccountably, distracted me from all the hoop-la. Perhaps others can find some (possibly less life-changing) remedy of their own. Shall we have the equivalent of the Christmas truce in WW1 for the evening?
Congrats Mr M!
Attractive idea!
Is anyone else exploring the pleasures of Amazon Prime? I've been enjoying The Man in the High Castle, The Beginning of Everything (Zelda Fitzgerald), Casual, and a couple more - really good value compared with actually trekking out to a cinema and paying £20.
I am working my way through the Walking Dead at the rate of 2 episodes a night. Not sure if this is a good use of my time.
You must feel like the Walking Dead yourself. Such commitment must impinge on more important things like your PB time.
The US Supreme Court has ruled that President Trump's travel ban on six mainly Muslim countries can go fully into effect.
Seven of the nine justices have granted the administration's request to lift injunctions imposed by lower courts blocking the ban.
.....Protests incoming....
7 of 9, as well as being absolutely gorgeous, is a big win. What I find slightly weird about the American system is that within months some Federal Judges will be granting interim injunctions about something else without due regard to this decision.
Judicial activism in the US is really bad, I guess that's what happens when judges need to be voted in.
As I read on Twitter thus afternoon we're up shit creek without a canoe let alone a bloody paddle. Did we ever have such a complete bunch on fifth rate incompetents leading this country? They even make Chamberlain's government at the height of the Norway fiasco look statesmanlike.
Bravo Richard, everyone needs time off from worrying about the B-word. I've found my impending marriage (29th December!) has, unaccountably, distracted me from all the hoop-la. Perhaps others can find some (possibly less life-changing) remedy of their own. Shall we have the equivalent of the Christmas truce in WW1 for the evening?
Congrats Mr M!
Attractive idea!
Is anyone else exploring the pleasures of Amazon Prime? I've been enjoying The Man in the High Castle, The Beginning of Everything (Zelda Fitzgerald), Casual, and a couple more - really good value compared with actually trekking out to a cinema and paying £20.
I am working my way through the Walking Dead at the rate of 2 episodes a night. Not sure if this is a good use of my time.
Edit: but I worry I may have to boycott Amazon in general if I read much more about their treatment of employees.
I am trying to keep Amazon to a minimum this year. They are convenient, but a cancer on our retail economy.
I refuse point blank to buy from them. But my family are weak.....
They're shameless. Even with the head of the Met saying that they're investigating the release of confidential information as a crime, the BBC is continuing to parrot the very information which they were an accessory in the potentially illegal release of. They can't mention the case without naming him, and talking about 1000s of pictures.
I hope, but obviously can't imagine will happen, that the result of the investigation by the Met is that these two bent cops almost certainly fabricated the information, and nothing was actually found on the computer. That is the only result that would be fair to the DPM. If the bent cops won't shut up, they should be locked up.
If there was no porn and it was all fabricated, then what confidential information has been released "as a crime"?
He admitted in his interview to not destroying the copies that he was ordered to by the Met. That's what he's being investigated for. If the investigations discover that he also fabricated that evidence, then there was nothing there except bent cops.
Oh, and he's also obviously being investigated for then releasing those illegally retained, and quite possibly faked, copies hand in hand with his BBC accomplices. Why the hell have the BBC embroiled themselves in something so clearly political, and so damned blatantly wrong? Why didn't their legal team stop this? I hope heads roll, and that Green gets adequately compensated by the BBC's and the Met's savings on pensions.
Green is guilty IMO
Ex Police Whistleblowers GOOD ON THEM
What is he guilty of, in your view?
The job of police officers is to investigate if a crime has been committed, not to search for something they can use to embarrass someone.
The US Supreme Court has ruled that President Trump's travel ban on six mainly Muslim countries can go fully into effect.
Seven of the nine justices have granted the administration's request to lift injunctions imposed by lower courts blocking the ban.
.....Protests incoming....
7 of 9, as well as being absolutely gorgeous, is a big win. What I find slightly weird about the American system is that within months some Federal Judges will be granting interim injunctions about something else without due regard to this decision.
Judicial activism in the US is really bad, I guess that's what happens when judges need to be voted in.
Its a long way from the only Judgment that he and the Supreme Court have given which seems to be based upon their view of what public policy should be rather than what Parliament decided it should be.
Whatever the merits of any individual decision, I find the powers the Supreme Court in the UK have given themselves in this respect in recent years troubling and ultimately undemocratic.
I don't have anywhere near the patience to read that document.
The US Supreme Court has ruled that President Trump's travel ban on six mainly Muslim countries can go fully into effect.
Seven of the nine justices have granted the administration's request to lift injunctions imposed by lower courts blocking the ban.
.....Protests incoming....
7 of 9, as well as being absolutely gorgeous, is a big win. What I find slightly weird about the American system is that within months some Federal Judges will be granting interim injunctions about something else without due regard to this decision.
Judicial activism in the US is really bad, I guess that's what happens when judges need to be voted in.
Federal judges are all appointed though.
In this case mainly by the Obama administration. I am sure that is just coincidence.
The US Supreme Court has ruled that President Trump's travel ban on six mainly Muslim countries can go fully into effect.
Seven of the nine justices have granted the administration's request to lift injunctions imposed by lower courts blocking the ban.
.....Protests incoming....
7 of 9, as well as being absolutely gorgeous, is a big win. What I find slightly weird about the American system is that within months some Federal Judges will be granting interim injunctions about something else without due regard to this decision.
Judicial activism in the US is really bad, I guess that's what happens when judges need to be voted in.
Federal judges are all appointed though.
By people who are voted in. At least the SCOTUS has multiple justices so any activism by one side is cancelled out by the others.
The US Supreme Court has ruled that President Trump's travel ban on six mainly Muslim countries can go fully into effect.
Seven of the nine justices have granted the administration's request to lift injunctions imposed by lower courts blocking the ban.
.....Protests incoming....
7 of 9, as well as being absolutely gorgeous, is a big win. What I find slightly weird about the American system is that within months some Federal Judges will be granting interim injunctions about something else without due regard to this decision.
Judicial activism in the US is really bad, I guess that's what happens when judges need to be voted in.
Federal judges are all appointed though.
Having already made their reputations and built a support base.
The story from DUP towers is that they didn't like the wording much (though they seem a bit reluctant to criticise UK officials) but what really hacked them off was the stuff coming from across the border (yes we have one). If there is one man in politics that understands wording, its Nigel Dodds and the wording was too vague. Add on the Irish spin and it was no go.
Bertie Ahern, crafty old bollocks that he is, pretty much warned the Irish government weeks ago that they were pushing their luck and were ignoring Unionist concerns. Fianna Fail has been remarkably quiet on this, probably because some its leading figures to this day were involved in the graft that got agreements done.
Bear in mind, the DUP has its own electorate to deal with and there are Assembly elections vaguely pencilled in for Spring 2018.
Trumpton:
Keep watching for words like 'obstruction' & 'making false statements' in the likely rap sheet for Trump members.
As I read on Twitter thus afternoon we're up shit creek without a canoe let alone a bloody paddle. Did we ever have such a complete bunch on fifth rate incompetents leading this country? They even make Chamberlain's government at the height of the Norway fiasco look statesmanlike.
I presume you voted for them, because if you didn't it's a bit rich to complain that they don't have enough of a parliamentary mandate to deliver what the voters decided.
In any case, what exactly do you think they should do differently in the negotiations? Pay twice as much, maybe? Tell the Irish Republic to go and get stuffed and put up a hard border if they want to (admittedly that must be VERY tempting)? Tell the Northern Irish to get stuffed? Tell the EU they can stick their brain-dead 'sequencing' where the sun don't shine?
I'm all ears. If you were negotiating - and from your remarks it's clear that you are a world-class expert - what would you do differently?
Bravo Richard, everyone needs time off from worrying about the B-word. I've found my impending marriage (29th December!) has, unaccountably, distracted me from all the hoop-la. Perhaps others can find some (possibly less life-changing) remedy of their own. Shall we have the equivalent of the Christmas truce in WW1 for the evening?
Congrats Mr M!
Attractive idea!
Is anyone else exploring the pleasures of Amazon Prime? I've been enjoying The Man in the High Castle, The Beginning of Everything (Zelda Fitzgerald), Casual, and a couple more - really good value compared with actually trekking out to a cinema and paying £20.
I am working my way through the Walking Dead at the rate of 2 episodes a night. Not sure if this is a good use of my time.
Edit: but I worry I may have to boycott Amazon in general if I read much more about their treatment of employees.
I am trying to keep Amazon to a minimum this year. They are convenient, but a cancer on our retail economy.
Are you an Amazon Prime Member and have the fire stick
All my family and facebook friends use Amazon. No amount of virtue will change the way Amazon will dominate and to the consumers benefit
As I read on Twitter thus afternoon we're up shit creek without a canoe let alone a bloody paddle. Did we ever have such a complete bunch on fifth rate incompetents leading this country? They even make Chamberlain's government at the height of the Norway fiasco look statesmanlike.
I presume you voted for them, because if you didn't it's a bit rich to complain that they don't have enough of a parliamentary mandate to deliver what the voters decided.
In any case, what exactly do you think they should do differently in the negotiations? Pay twice as much, maybe? Tell the Irish Republic to go and get stuffed and put up a hard border if they want to (admittedly that must be VERY tempting)? Tell the Northern Irish to get stuffed? Tell the EU they can stick their brain-dead 'sequencing' where the sun don't shine?
I'm all ears. If you were negotiating - and from your remarks it's clear that you are a world-class expert - what would you do differently?
It is a Christmas movie - it's set during Christmas!
And you have Vaughn Monroe singing "Let it snow! Let it snow! Let it snow!" at the end. The score also features sleigh bells in some cues, as well as the Christmas pop standard "Winter Wonderland".
The story from DUP towers is that they didn't like the wording much (though they seem a bit reluctant to criticise UK officials) but what really hacked them off was the stuff coming from across the border (yes we have one). If there is one man in politics that understands wording, its Nigel Dodds and the wording was too vague. Add on the Irish spin and it was no go.
Bertie Ahern, crafty old bollocks that he is, pretty much warned the Irish government weeks ago that they were pushing their luck and were ignoring Unionist concerns. Fianna Fail has been remarkably quiet on this, probably because some its leading figures to this day were involved in the graft that got agreements done.
Bear in mind, the DUP has its own electorate to deal with and there are Assembly elections vaguely pencilled in for Spring 2018.
Trumpton:
Keep watching for words like 'obstruction' & 'making false statements' in the likely rap sheet for Trump members.
Not for the first time, I wonder if Varadkhar was stirring shit.
Bravo Richard, everyone needs time off from worrying about the B-word. I've found my impending marriage (29th December!) has, unaccountably, distracted me from all the hoop-la. Perhaps others can find some (possibly less life-changing) remedy of their own. Shall we have the equivalent of the Christmas truce in WW1 for the evening?
Congrats Mr M!
Attractive idea!
Is anyone else exploring the pleasures of Amazon Prime? I've been enjoying The Man in the High Castle, The Beginning of Everything (Zelda Fitzgerald), Casual, and a couple more - really good value compared with actually trekking out to a cinema and paying £20.
I am working my way through the Walking Dead at the rate of 2 episodes a night. Not sure if this is a good use of my time.
Edit: but I worry I may have to boycott Amazon in general if I read much more about their treatment of employees.
I am trying to keep Amazon to a minimum this year. They are convenient, but a cancer on our retail economy.
Are you an Amazon Prime Member and have the fire stick
All my family and facebook friends use Amazon. No amount of virtue will change the way Amazon will dominate and to the consumers benefit
Not Amazon Prime for me.
I do have a lot on my Kindle though. It is great for travelling, and I am a voracious reader when I get the chance.
The hollowing out of high streets by companies like Amazon, who then add insult to injury by paying hardly any tax, is part of the reason towns decline. Other aspects of the internet have similar effects. I rarely read newspapers now, or go into a bank. I am as bad as anyone, but I am not sure that it really is progress.
They're shameless. Even with the head of the Met saying that they're investigating the release of confidential information as a crime, the BBC is continuing to parrot the very information which they were an accessory in the potentially illegal release of. They can't mention the case without naming him, and talking about 1000s of pictures.
I hope, but obviously can't imagine will happen, that the result of the investigation by the Met is that these two bent cops almost certainly fabricated the information, and nothing was actually found on the computer. That is the only result that would be fair to the DPM. If the bent cops won't shut up, they should be locked up.
If there was no porn and it was all fabricated, then what confidential information has been released "as a crime"?
He admitted in his interview to not destroying the copies that he was ordered to by the Met. That's what he's being investigated for. If the investigations discover that he also fabricated that evidence, then there was nothing there except bent cops.
Oh, and he's also obviously being investigated for then releasing those illegally retained, and quite possibly faked, copies hand in hand with his BBC accomplices. Why the hell have the BBC embroiled themselves in something so clearly political, and so damned blatantly wrong? Why didn't their legal team stop this? I hope heads roll, and that Green gets adequately compensated by the BBC's and the Met's savings on pensions.
Green is guilty IMO
Ex Police Whistleblowers GOOD ON THEM
Guilty of what, exactly? And on what basis do you say this?
Also, the police are not whistleblowers. If there was a breach of the law by Green it was their job to investigate. They found - according to them - that there was no criminal act by him. If so, that was and should have been the end of the matter and they should, as ordered by the courts, have destroyed the material obtained.
The failure to do so is a breach of a court order, a breach of the law and utterly contemptuous. Taking police property is another breach. Using confidential information to speak to the press is another breach. Maligning a man for - possibly - doing something that was legal is not whistleblowing. It veers pretty closely to malice. And any half-way decent whistleblowing policy makes it clear that you are not a whistleblower if you act maliciously.
So Theresa was planning to sell N. Ireland down the river at the exact same time as her government is sustained by the DUP... And by the way she didn't even bother to consult the DUP first before swanning off for lunch with Juncker.
The story from DUP towers is that they didn't like the wording much (though they seem a bit reluctant to criticise UK officials) but what really hacked them off was the stuff coming from across the border (yes we have one). If there is one man in politics that understands wording, its Nigel Dodds and the wording was too vague. Add on the Irish spin and it was no go.
Bertie Ahern, crafty old bollocks that he is, pretty much warned the Irish government weeks ago that they were pushing their luck and were ignoring Unionist concerns. Fianna Fail has been remarkably quiet on this, probably because some its leading figures to this day were involved in the graft that got agreements done.
Bear in mind, the DUP has its own electorate to deal with and there are Assembly elections vaguely pencilled in for Spring 2018.
Trumpton:
Keep watching for words like 'obstruction' & 'making false statements' in the likely rap sheet for Trump members.
Not for the first time, I wonder if Varadkhar was stirring shit.
Potential case of over-reach due to drinking too much Kool-Aid.
As I read on Twitter thus afternoon we're up shit creek without a canoe let alone a bloody paddle. Did we ever have such a complete bunch on fifth rate incompetents leading this country? They even make Chamberlain's government at the height of the Norway fiasco look statesmanlike.
I presume you voted for them, because if you didn't it's a bit rich to complain that they don't have enough of a parliamentary mandate to deliver what the voters decided.
In any case, what exactly do you think they should do differently in the negotiations? Pay twice as much, maybe? Tell the Irish Republic to go and get stuffed and put up a hard border if they want to (admittedly that must be VERY tempting)? Tell the Northern Irish to get stuffed? Tell the EU they can stick their brain-dead 'sequencing' where the sun don't shine?
I'm all ears. If you were negotiating - and from your remarks it's clear that you are a world-class expert - what would you do differently?
This government is easily the most dysfunctional of my lifetime. But this is the strange and slightly disturbing thing. It doesn't make any difference to the ultimate Brexit outcome. Once we decided to leave the EU last year, everything follows on from that. The EU behaves more or less as you should expect them to do. Same for the other parties. Given the referendum was sold on a false prospectus, we can't expect our government to go, Aw shucks, forget about that!.It takes time for reality to no longer be deniable. We're not there yet. Eventually we will do what is easiest and causes the least further damage. It's not heroic, but it's what it will be.
As I read on Twitter thus afternoon we're up shit creek without a canoe let alone a bloody paddle. Did we ever have such a complete bunch on fifth rate incompetents leading this country? They even make Chamberlain's government at the height of the Norway fiasco look statesmanlike.
I presume you voted for them, because if you didn't it's a bit rich to complain that they don't have enough of a parliamentary mandate to deliver what the voters decided.
In any case, what exactly do you think they should do differently in the negotiations? Pay twice as much, maybe? Tell the Irish Republic to go and get stuffed and put up a hard border if they want to (admittedly that must be VERY tempting)? Tell the Northern Irish to get stuffed? Tell the EU they can stick their brain-dead 'sequencing' where the sun don't shine?
I'm all ears. If you were negotiating - and from your remarks it's clear that you are a world-class expert - what would you do differently?
Well I would like nothing more than for Brexit to be quietly killed off, but even I think TM has played this one exceptionally badly. She should have got the DUP and her cabinet on board before agreeing to anything. She should have at least sounded out the Welsh and Scots. The change in tactics should have been more gradual, and ideally she should have manoeuvred hard brexit diehards out of the way one at a time.
They're shameless. Even with the head of the Met saying that they're investigating the release of confidential information as a crime, the BBC is continuing to parrot the very information which they were an accessory in the potentially illegal release of. They can't mention the case without naming him, and talking about 1000s of pictures.
I hope, but obviously can't imagine will happen, that the result of the investigation by the Met is that these two bent cops almost certainly fabricated the information, and nothing was actually found on the computer. That is the only result that would be fair to the DPM. If the bent cops won't shut up, they should be locked up.
If there was no porn and it was all fabricated, then what confidential information has been released "as a crime"?
He admitted in his interview to not destroying the copies that he was ordered to by the Met. That's what he's being investigated for. If the investigations discover that he also fabricated that evidence, then there was nothing there except bent cops.
I hope he loses his pension over this, I really do. We cannot have police behaving like this.
Along with a temporary loss of liberty - I would hope too.
It might be possible to get the Met, and the bent cops, to agree to the falsified evidence line if they're allowed to disappear.
What evidence has been falsified.
Desperate attempt to save Green by shifting the blame will not work
I believe it was a hypothetical Either they released information they were ordered to destroy, or they falsified the information.
Oh I see.
So either Greens computer had thousands of Porn images on it or it did
FairyNuff
You are an insane Labour cultist pervert. You are enjoying an utterly disgraceful series of actions by bent cops, and their collusion with the state broadcaster, for political advantage. I hope to god you don't get to live under the state that your perverted comments are justifying.
I would love it, and would respect him so much more, if The Jezza properly condemned those bent cops. He should if he's the man his cultists want him to be. What would big pervert owls say then!
The Times reporting that Tory Brexiteers will launch a no confidence vote in Mrs May this side of Christmas if she attempts to go too far on Northern Ireland.
The Times reporting that Tory Brexiteers will launch a no confidence vote in Mrs May this side of Christmas if she attempts to go too far on Northern Ireland.
She's got to go.... Whatever you think about Brexit, today was a complete and total ******* shambles...
The Times reporting that Tory Brexiteers will launch a no confidence vote in Mrs May this side of Christmas if she attempts to go too far on Northern Ireland.
The Times reporting that Tory Brexiteers will launch a no confidence vote in Mrs May this side of Christmas if she attempts to go too far on Northern Ireland.
Could then set up a Rees-Mogg v Corbyn 2018 general election then if today's Conservative Home Tory Members poll is anything to go by
The hollowing out of high streets by companies like Amazon, who then add insult to injury by paying hardly any tax, is part of the reason towns decline. Other aspects of the internet have similar effects. I rarely read newspapers now, or go into a bank. I am as bad as anyone, but I am not sure that it really is progress.
The Times reporting that Tory Brexiteers will launch a no confidence vote in Mrs May this side of Christmas if she attempts to go too far on Northern Ireland.
She's got to go.... Whatever you think about Brexit, today was a complete and total ******* shambles...
I'm getting the sense you are not 100% behind May.....
As I read on Twitter thus afternoon we're up shit creek without a canoe let alone a bloody paddle. Did we ever have such a complete bunch on fifth rate incompetents leading this country? They even make Chamberlain's government at the height of the Norway fiasco look statesmanlike.
I presume you voted for them, because if you didn't it's a bit rich to complain that they don't have enough of a parliamentary mandate to deliver what the voters decided.
In any case, what exactly do you think they should do differently in the negotiations? Pay twice as much, maybe? Tell the Irish Republic to go and get stuffed and put up a hard border if they want to (admittedly that must be VERY tempting)? Tell the Northern Irish to get stuffed? Tell the EU they can stick their brain-dead 'sequencing' where the sun don't shine?
I'm all ears. If you were negotiating - and from your remarks it's clear that you are a world-class expert - what would you do differently?
This government is easily the most dysfunctional of my lifetime. But this is the strange and slightly disturbing thing. It doesn't make any difference to the ultimate Brexit outcome. Once we decided to leave the EU last year, everything follows on from that. The EU behaves more or less as you should expect them to do. Same for the other parties. Given the referendum was sold on a false prospectus, we can't expect our government to go, Aw shucks, forget about that!.It takes time for reality to no longer be deniable. We're not there yet. Eventually we will do what is easiest and causes the least further damage. It's not heroic, but it's what it will be.
The EU is behaving as we (the sane) expected them to do. They're behaving exactly opposite what the Brexiteers told us on here, and elsewhere, told us they'll do. remember all that guff about they'll be falling over themselves to do trade deals, allowing ex-pats to stay etc
As I read on Twitter thus afternoon we're up shit creek without a canoe let alone a bloody paddle. Did we ever have such a complete bunch on fifth rate incompetents leading this country? They even make Chamberlain's government at the height of the Norway fiasco look statesmanlike.
I presume you voted for them, because if you didn't it's a bit rich to complain that they don't have enough of a parliamentary mandate to deliver what the voters decided.
In any case, what exactly do you think they should do differently in the negotiations? Pay twice as much, maybe? Tell the Irish Republic to go and get stuffed and put up a hard border if they want to (admittedly that must be VERY tempting)? Tell the Northern Irish to get stuffed? Tell the EU they can stick their brain-dead 'sequencing' where the sun don't shine?
I'm all ears. If you were negotiating - and from your remarks it's clear that you are a world-class expert - what would you do differently?
This government is easily the most dysfunctional of my lifetime. But this is the strange and slightly disturbing thing. It doesn't make any difference to the ultimate Brexit outcome. Once we decided to leave the EU last year, everything follows on from that. The EU behaves more or less as you should expect them to do. Same for the other parties. Given the referendum was sold on a false prospectus, we can't expect our government to go, Aw shucks, forget about that!.It takes time for reality to no longer be deniable. We're not there yet. Eventually we will do what is easiest and causes the least further damage. It's not heroic, but it's what it will be.
The EU is behaving as we (the sane) expected them to do. They're behaving exactly opposite what the Brexiteers told us on here, and elsewhere, told us they'll do. remember all that guff about they'll be falling over themselves to do trade deals, allowing ex-pats to stay etc
The Times reporting that Tory Brexiteers will launch a no confidence vote in Mrs May this side of Christmas if she attempts to go too far on Northern Ireland.
Could then set up a Rees-Mogg v Corbyn 2018 general election then if today's Conservative Home Tory Members poll is anything to go by
This government is easily the most dysfunctional of my lifetime.
No, the Brown government (pre-Mandelson) was the most dysfunctional one of the last 50 years, simply because Gordon Brown insisted on all decisions going via No 10. That would have been OK if he hadn't been pathologically indecisive, so everything ground to a halt.
This government is actually working reasonably well in the normal day-to-day business of governing, amazingly. Of course it's a shambles in many ways, but minority governments are. What can they do? If they haven't got the numbers in parliament, they haven't got the numbers.
On Brexit, they are doing what can be done, given the constraints. They are saddled with an impossible task by the referendum result, and they are hobbled by an absurd general election result which denied them the decisive majority which was indispensable to negotiating.
Of course it's a disastrous situation, but it's not all Theresa May's fault - the electorate chose this pair of disasters.
As I read on Twitter thus afternoon we're up shit creek without a canoe let alone a bloody paddle. Did we ever have such a complete bunch on fifth rate incompetents leading this country? They even make Chamberlain's government at the height of the Norway fiasco look statesmanlike.
I presume you voted for them, because if you didn't it's a bit rich to complain that they don't have enough of a parliamentary mandate to deliver what the voters decided.
In any case, what exactly do you think they should do differently in the negotiations? Pay twice as much, maybe? Tell the Irish Republic to go and get stuffed and put up a hard border if they want to (admittedly that must be VERY tempting)? Tell the Northern Irish to get stuffed? Tell the EU they can stick their brain-dead 'sequencing' where the sun don't shine?
I'm all ears. If you were negotiating - and from your remarks it's clear that you are a world-class expert - what would you do differently?
Vote Tory, am I mad? I voted LD as I have done ever since the Tory party were collectively mad enough to elect IDS. They're no saner now.
The Times reporting that Tory Brexiteers will launch a no confidence vote in Mrs May this side of Christmas if she attempts to go too far on Northern Ireland.
Could then set up a Rees-Mogg v Corbyn 2018 general election then if today's Conservative Home Tory Members poll is anything to go by
Oh. Holy. Jesus.
Not going to happen, he won't get sufficient votes to make the final two,
The Times reporting that Tory Brexiteers will launch a no confidence vote in Mrs May this side of Christmas if she attempts to go too far on Northern Ireland.
Could then set up a Rees-Mogg v Corbyn 2018 general election then if today's Conservative Home Tory Members poll is anything to go by
Oh. Holy. Jesus.
Not going to happen, he won't get sufficient votes to make the final two,
Remind me again of the voting system the party uses to elect their leader....
The Times reporting that Tory Brexiteers will launch a no confidence vote in Mrs May this side of Christmas if she attempts to go too far on Northern Ireland.
Could then set up a Rees-Mogg v Corbyn 2018 general election then if today's Conservative Home Tory Members poll is anything to go by
Oh. Holy. Jesus.
Not going to happen, he won't get sufficient votes to make the final two,
What if there are only 2 candidates, or 3 and MPs eliminate the wrong one?
The Times reporting that Tory Brexiteers will launch a no confidence vote in Mrs May this side of Christmas if she attempts to go too far on Northern Ireland.
Could then set up a Rees-Mogg v Corbyn 2018 general election then if today's Conservative Home Tory Members poll is anything to go by
Oh. Holy. Jesus.
Not going to happen, he won't get sufficient votes to make the final two,
Remind me again of the voting system the party uses to elect their leader....
As I read on Twitter thus afternoon we're up shit creek without a canoe let alone a bloody paddle. Did we ever have such a complete bunch on fifth rate incompetents leading this country? They even make Chamberlain's government at the height of the Norway fiasco look statesmanlike.
I presume you voted for them, because if you didn't it's a bit rich to complain that they don't have enough of a parliamentary mandate to deliver what the voters decided.
In any case, what exactly do you think they should do differently in the negotiations? Pay twice as much, maybe? Tell the Irish Republic to go and get stuffed and put up a hard border if they want to (admittedly that must be VERY tempting)? Tell the Northern Irish to get stuffed? Tell the EU they can stick their brain-dead 'sequencing' where the sun don't shine?
I'm all ears. If you were negotiating - and from your remarks it's clear that you are a world-class expert - what would you do differently?
Vote Tory, am I mad? I voted LD as I have done ever since the Tory party were collectively mad enough to elect IDS. They're no saner now.
Fair enough. Now I'd be interested in your response to my second and third paragraph.
So Theresa was planning to sell N. Ireland down the river at the exact same time as her government is sustained by the DUP... And by the way she didn't even bother to consult the DUP first before swanning off for lunch with Juncker.
Bravo Richard, everyone needs time off from worrying about the B-word. I've found my impending marriage (29th December!) has, unaccountably, distracted me from all the hoop-la. Perhaps others can find some (possibly less life-changing) remedy of their own. Shall we have the equivalent of the Christmas truce in WW1 for the evening?
Congrats Mr M!
Attractive idea!
Is anyone else exploring the pleasures of Amazon Prime? I've been enjoying The Man in the High Castle, The Beginning of Everything (Zelda Fitzgerald), Casual, and a couple more - really good value compared with actually trekking out to a cinema and paying £20.
I am working my way through the Walking Dead at the rate of 2 episodes a night. Not sure if this is a good use of my time.
Edit: but I worry I may have to boycott Amazon in general if I read much more about their treatment of employees.
I am trying to keep Amazon to a minimum this year. They are convenient, but a cancer on our retail economy.
Are you an Amazon Prime Member and have the fire stick
All my family and facebook friends use Amazon. No amount of virtue will change the way Amazon will dominate and to the consumers benefit
Not Amazon Prime for me.
I do have a lot on my Kindle though. It is great for travelling, and I am a voracious reader when I get the chance.
The hollowing out of high streets by companies like Amazon, who then add insult to injury by paying hardly any tax, is part of the reason towns decline. Other aspects of the internet have similar effects. I rarely read newspapers now, or go into a bank. I am as bad as anyone, but I am not sure that it really is progress.
Canute tried and failed. Just bought LG 4Ultra TV and Amazon Prime, Netflicks and many other sites are included as default and with Sky recently upgrading me to their Q box (according to them 18 years makes me a VIP) free and with no increases in subs I can now get premier league in ultra 4 together witl other Sky offers and of couse Amazon Prime.
The old principle applies - you can resist change and fail - reluctantly accept change and also fail - or embrace change and move forward
The hollowing out of high streets by companies like Amazon, who then add insult to injury by paying hardly any tax, is part of the reason towns decline. Other aspects of the internet have similar effects. I rarely read newspapers now, or go into a bank. I am as bad as anyone, but I am not sure that it really is progress.
Why do we need high streets?
The internet giants destroying employment and community is the sharp end of globalisation. Small towns and high streets are hollowing out to be takeaways, betting and charity shops.
Bigger "destination" shopping will probably survive longer.
They're shameless. Even with the head of the Met saying that they're investigating the release of confidential information as a crime, the BBC is continuing to parrot the very information which they were an accessory in the potentially illegal release of. They can't mention the case without naming him, and talking about 1000s of pictures.
I hope, but obviously can't imagine will happen, that the result of the investigation by the Met is that these two bent cops almost certainly fabricated the information, and nothing was actually found on the computer. That is the only result that would be fair to the DPM. If the bent cops won't shut up, they should be locked up.
If there was no porn and it was all fabricated, then what confidential information has been released "as a crime"?
He admitted in his interview to not destroying the copies that he was ordered to by the Met. That's what he's being investigated for. If the investigations discover that he also fabricated that evidence, then there was nothing there except bent cops.
I hope he loses his pension over this, I really do. We cannot have police behaving like this.
Along with a temporary loss of liberty - I would hope too.
It might be possible to get the Met, and the bent cops, to agree to the falsified evidence line if they're allowed to disappear.
What evidence has been falsified.
Desperate attempt to save Green by shifting the blame will not work
I believe it was a hypothetical Either they released information they were ordered to destroy, or they falsified the information.
Oh I see.
So either Greens computer had thousands of Porn images on it or it did
FairyNuff
You are an insane Labour cultist pervert. You are enjoying an utterly disgraceful series of actions by bent cops, and their collusion with the state broadcaster, for political advantage. I hope to god you don't get to live under the state that your perverted comments are justifying.
I would love it, and would respect him so much more, if The Jezza properly condemned those bent cops. He should if he's the man his cultists want him to be. What would big pervert owls say then!
You are starting to sound a bit like Kevin Keegan there, back in his Newcastle manager days.
The hollowing out of high streets by companies like Amazon, who then add insult to injury by paying hardly any tax, is part of the reason towns decline. Other aspects of the internet have similar effects. I rarely read newspapers now, or go into a bank. I am as bad as anyone, but I am not sure that it really is progress.
Why do we need high streets?
The internet giants destroying employment and community is the sharp end of globalisation. Small towns and high streets are hollowing out to be takeaways, betting and charity shops.
Bigger "destination" shopping will probably survive longer.
The hollowing-out of town centres was well underway before internet shopping became a big thing, though.
They're shameless. Even with the head of the Met saying that they're investigating the release of confidential information as a crime, the BBC is continuing to parrot the very information which they were an accessory in the potentially illegal release of. They can't mention the case without naming him, and talking about 1000s of pictures.
I hope, but obviously can't imagine will happen, that the result of the investigation by the Met is that these two bent cops almost certainly fabricated the information, and nothing was actually found on the computer. That is the only result that would be fair to the DPM. If the bent cops won't shut up, they should be locked up.
If there was no porn and it was all fabricated, then what confidential information has been released "as a crime"?
He admitted in his interview to not destroying the copies that he was ordered to by the Met. That's what he's being investigated for. If the investigations discover that he also fabricated that evidence, then there was nothing there except bent cops.
I hope he loses his pension over this, I really do. We cannot have police behaving like this.
Along with a temporary loss of liberty - I would hope too.
It might be possible to get the Met, and the bent cops, to agree to the falsified evidence line if they're allowed to disappear.
What evidence has been falsified.
Desperate attempt to save Green by shifting the blame will not work
I believe it was a hypothetical Either they released information they were ordered to destroy, or they falsified the information.
Oh I see.
So either Greens computer had thousands of Porn images on it or it did
FairyNuff
Can you please explain your support for the potentially illegal release of illegally obtained and illegally retained data that was probably faked by bent cops and then released by the state broadcaster?
So Theresa was planning to sell N. Ireland down the river at the exact same time as her government is sustained by the DUP... And by the way she didn't even bother to consult the DUP first before swanning off for lunch with Juncker.
Correct?
#GetMayOut
That does appear to be the case, yes.
Theresa May is totally incapable of seeing things from others' points of view.
The Times reporting that Tory Brexiteers will launch a no confidence vote in Mrs May this side of Christmas if she attempts to go too far on Northern Ireland.
She's got to go.... Whatever you think about Brexit, today was a complete and total ******* shambles...
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I think the ideal (unobtainable) asymptote would, I think, be the care received by the royal family, omitting the alternative medicine.
Ex Police Whistleblowers GOOD ON THEM
The ROI can’t afford a border, nobody wants a border - why do the Irish keep making these bogus threats ?
A real treat if you can book it.
Desperate attempt to save Green by shifting the blame will not work
So either Greens computer had thousands of Porn images on it or it did
FairyNuff
Is anyone else exploring the pleasures of Amazon Prime? I've been enjoying The Man in the High Castle, The Beginning of Everything (Zelda Fitzgerald), Casual, and a couple more - really good value compared with actually trekking out to a cinema and paying £20.
Its a long way from the only Judgment that he and the Supreme Court have given which seems to be based upon their view of what public policy should be rather than what Parliament decided it should be.
Whatever the merits of any individual decision, I find the powers the Supreme Court in the UK have given themselves in this respect in recent years troubling and ultimately undemocratic.
The job of police officers is to investigate if a crime has been committed, not to search for something they can use to embarrass someone.
Bertie Ahern, crafty old bollocks that he is, pretty much warned the Irish government weeks ago that they were pushing their luck and were ignoring Unionist concerns. Fianna Fail has been remarkably quiet on this, probably because some its leading figures to this day were involved in the graft that got agreements done.
Bear in mind, the DUP has its own electorate to deal with and there are Assembly elections vaguely pencilled in for Spring 2018.
Trumpton:
Keep watching for words like 'obstruction' & 'making false statements' in the likely rap sheet for Trump members.
In any case, what exactly do you think they should do differently in the negotiations? Pay twice as much, maybe? Tell the Irish Republic to go and get stuffed and put up a hard border if they want to (admittedly that must be VERY tempting)? Tell the Northern Irish to get stuffed? Tell the EU they can stick their brain-dead 'sequencing' where the sun don't shine?
I'm all ears. If you were negotiating - and from your remarks it's clear that you are a world-class expert - what would you do differently?
All my family and facebook friends use Amazon. No amount of virtue will change the way Amazon will dominate and to the consumers benefit
Complete and utter waste of space...
And you have Vaughn Monroe singing "Let it snow! Let it snow! Let it snow!" at the end. The score also features sleigh bells in some cues, as well as the Christmas pop standard "Winter Wonderland".
I do have a lot on my Kindle though. It is great for travelling, and I am a voracious reader when I get the chance.
The hollowing out of high streets by companies like Amazon, who then add insult to injury by paying hardly any tax, is part of the reason towns decline. Other aspects of the internet have similar effects. I rarely read newspapers now, or go into a bank. I am as bad as anyone, but I am not sure that it really is progress.
Also, the police are not whistleblowers. If there was a breach of the law by Green it was their job to investigate. They found - according to them - that there was no criminal act by him. If so, that was and should have been the end of the matter and they should, as ordered by the courts, have destroyed the material obtained.
The failure to do so is a breach of a court order, a breach of the law and utterly contemptuous. Taking police property is another breach. Using confidential information to speak to the press is another breach. Maligning a man for - possibly - doing something that was legal is not whistleblowing. It veers pretty closely to malice. And any half-way decent whistleblowing policy makes it clear that you are not a whistleblower if you act maliciously.
Correct?
#GetMayOut
This government is actually working reasonably well in the normal day-to-day business of governing, amazingly. Of course it's a shambles in many ways, but minority governments are. What can they do? If they haven't got the numbers in parliament, they haven't got the numbers.
On Brexit, they are doing what can be done, given the constraints. They are saddled with an impossible task by the referendum result, and they are hobbled by an absurd general election result which denied them the decisive majority which was indispensable to negotiating.
Of course it's a disastrous situation, but it's not all Theresa May's fault - the electorate chose this pair of disasters.
Might do a thread on it soon.
The old principle applies - you can resist change and fail - reluctantly accept change and also fail - or embrace change and move forward
Bigger "destination" shopping will probably survive longer.