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    Mr. Doethur, reminds me a bit of the first recent prolonged winter. Had a couple of feet of snow in places, about half a foot in others. Every day it'd melt just a little then freeze overnight, creating a weird icy crust.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,245
    De gea would have been proud of that one.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited December 2017
    Have they never heard of rain stopped play? They are literally sending on teams of ground staff armed with leaf blowers to undercover the snow between plays.

    https://twitter.com/buffalobills/status/939922904522817536
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Just back from a family lunch and driven home in an Audi SQ7. Stunningly impressive given the preponderance of white stuff on rural Hertfordshire country roads.

    Plenty of empty abandoned vehicles about including a brand new Range Rover. Ooopps.

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    A £6bn deal to sell Eurofighter Typhoons to Qatar will help safeguard thousands of UK jobs.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42302767
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    edited December 2017
    JackW said:

    Just back from a family lunch and driven home in an Audi SQ7. Stunningly impressive given the preponderance of white stuff on rural Hertfordshire country roads.

    Plenty of empty abandoned vehicles about including a brand new Range Rover. Ooopps.

    Good to see you back Jack, oops, I mean, my lord.

    On Pye Green Road this morning, three cars got stuck going up a small hill.

    The police came out to help in a rear wheel drive vehicle.

    Guess what the fourth car to get stuck was.
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    franklynfranklyn Posts: 297
    Two weeks ago I received a reminder note from Corals about a dormant account that I had totally forgotten about. Put the money on Green to be first out so I a hoping that some petulance from Davis doesn't spoil things
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    ydoethur said:

    JackW said:

    Just back from a family lunch and driven home in an Audi SQ7. Stunningly impressive given the preponderance of white stuff on rural Hertfordshire country roads.

    Plenty of empty abandoned vehicles about including a brand new Range Rover. Ooopps.

    Good to see you back Jack, oops, I mean, my lord.

    On Pye Green Road this morning, three cars got stuck going up a small hill.

    The police came out to help in a rear wheel drive vehicle.

    Guess what the fourth car to get stuck was.
    :smiley: .. and thank you.

    We had six plus the driver in the car. The traction was astonishing and given the conditions the whole journey was supremely effortless. But fully loaded at £90k a pop it's certainly not a cheap option.

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725

    A £6bn deal to sell Eurofighter Typhoons to Qatar will help safeguard thousands of UK jobs.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42302767

    Those are some expensive damn planes - can they possibly be worth it?
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    A £6bn deal to sell Eurofighter Typhoons to Qatar will help safeguard thousands of UK jobs.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42302767

    I'm sure this deal would have gone though under a corbyn labour government ,wouldn't it ?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited December 2017
    Labour campaigner is suspended for posting 'anti-Semitic' video online showing three councillors dancing in traditional Jewish clothes

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5164931/Labour-activist-suspended-accused-anti-Semitism.html

    No problem with anti-Semitism...they did a report and everything.

    I have to say for all my criticism of Labour under Blair, Brown and Miliband, I seriously didn't think that being anti-Jew was ever going to be an issue.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    edited December 2017

    Labour campaigner is suspended for posting 'anti-Semitic' video online showing three councillors dancing in traditional Jewish clothes

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5164931/Labour-activist-suspended-accused-anti-Semitism.html

    No problem with anti-Semitism...they did a report and everything.

    I have to say for all my criticism of Labour under Blair, Brown and Miliband, I seriously didn't think that being anti-Jew was ever going to be an issue.

    Miliband himself was Jewish - the first and so far only person who wasn't an ethnic Caucasian specifically BritishEuropean male to lead the Labour Party full time.

    I likewise would never have dreamed that less than three years later this would be happening.

    Edited because come to think of it his father was European.
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    A £6bn deal to sell Eurofighter Typhoons to Qatar will help safeguard thousands of UK jobs.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42302767

    I'm sure this deal would have gone though under a corbyn labour government ,wouldn't it ?
    Labour’s Shami Chakrabarti said she was “very disappointed” by Gavin Williamson’s comments about killing so-called Islamic State fighters this week. The Labour peer this morning described “targeted assassinations” of “criminals” – presumably IS fighters – as “appalling”.
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    A £6bn deal to sell Eurofighter Typhoons to Qatar will help safeguard thousands of UK jobs.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42302767

    Think more widely. Which country in the region is Qatar closest too? Where is the Foreign Secretary visiting? Sometimes the dots can be subtle.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    Which is very bad and disturbing. But not quite as bad as your first tweet which implied the synagogue in question had been burned to the ground and I was wondering how many had died.
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    MJWMJW Posts: 1,348

    Have they never heard of rain stopped play? They are literally sending on teams of ground staff armed with leaf blowers to undercover the snow between plays.

    https://twitter.com/buffalobills/status/939922904522817536

    The shortness of the NFL season and the brutal nature of the sport, travel and bizarre rules on TV markets and competition with the NCAA mean it's very rare for games to be called off. You can't reschedule a game for Monday/Tuesday if you've got to fly to the other side of the country the next week. It pretty much has to be Day After Tomorrow stuff for teams to make an exception.
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    Mr. Doethur, it remains alarming that such an attack happened, and that I learnt of it through Twitter rather than the mainstream media.

    Anyway, must be off.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    A £6bn deal to sell Eurofighter Typhoons to Qatar will help safeguard thousands of UK jobs.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42302767

    I'm sure this deal would have gone though under a corbyn labour government ,wouldn't it ?
    Labour’s Shami Chakrabarti said she was “very disappointed” by Gavin Williamson’s comments about killing so-called Islamic State fighters this week. The Labour peer this morning described “targeted assassinations” of “criminals” – presumably IS fighters – as “appalling”.
    With starmer comments on the EU this morning and people like chakrabarti in the party,labour won't be winning my vote back any time soon.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited December 2017

    A £6bn deal to sell Eurofighter Typhoons to Qatar will help safeguard thousands of UK jobs.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42302767

    I'm sure this deal would have gone though under a corbyn labour government ,wouldn't it ?
    Labour’s Shami Chakrabarti said she was “very disappointed” by Gavin Williamson’s comments about killing so-called Islamic State fighters this week. The Labour peer this morning described “targeted assassinations” of “criminals” – presumably IS fighters – as “appalling”.
    With starmer comments on the EU this morning and people like chakrabarti in the party,labour won't be winning my vote back any time soon.
    And those are the intelligent sensible wing of the current shadow cabinet...
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908

    Mr. Doethur, it remains alarming that such an attack happened, and that I learnt of it through Twitter rather than the mainstream media.

    Anyway, must be off.

    You will surely always learn of terrorist attacks first through Twitter - it’s always going to be faster.
    But you will also learn a lot of false info/rumours - whereas the mainstream media will actually check things are true before reporting. They will also make mistakes but far fewer than Twitter.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited December 2017
    MJW said:

    Have they never heard of rain stopped play? They are literally sending on teams of ground staff armed with leaf blowers to undercover the snow between plays.

    https://twitter.com/buffalobills/status/939922904522817536

    The shortness of the NFL season and the brutal nature of the sport, travel and bizarre rules on TV markets and competition with the NCAA mean it's very rare for games to be called off. You can't reschedule a game for Monday/Tuesday if you've got to fly to the other side of the country the next week. It pretty much has to be Day After Tomorrow stuff for teams to make an exception.
    It is now laughable....any deeper and they will need snow shoes.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,832
    ydoethur said:

    Labour campaigner is suspended for posting 'anti-Semitic' video online showing three councillors dancing in traditional Jewish clothes

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5164931/Labour-activist-suspended-accused-anti-Semitism.html

    No problem with anti-Semitism...they did a report and everything.

    I have to say for all my criticism of Labour under Blair, Brown and Miliband, I seriously didn't think that being anti-Jew was ever going to be an issue.

    Miliband himself was Jewish - the first and so far only person who wasn't an ethnic Caucasian specifically BritishEuropean male to lead the Labour Party full time.

    I likewise would never have dreamed that less than three years later this would be happening.

    Edited because come to think of it his father was European.
    Three years ago, I would have dismissed as ridiculous, the idea of being represented by a Labour councillor who openly praised Adolf Hitler.
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    Completely OT but referencing the previous thread as I have been out most of the day.

    I find it completely staggering that anyone could claim that someone who had a child out of wedlock is not fit to be PM. It seems to be an attitude that is so utterly outdated that I can't help but feel it must be a joke.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Labour campaigner is suspended for posting 'anti-Semitic' video online showing three councillors dancing in traditional Jewish clothes

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5164931/Labour-activist-suspended-accused-anti-Semitism.html

    No problem with anti-Semitism...they did a report and everything.

    I have to say for all my criticism of Labour under Blair, Brown and Miliband, I seriously didn't think that being anti-Jew was ever going to be an issue.

    Miliband himself was Jewish - the first and so far only person who wasn't an ethnic Caucasian specifically BritishEuropean male to lead the Labour Party full time.

    I likewise would never have dreamed that less than three years later this would be happening.

    Edited because come to think of it his father was European.
    Three years ago, I would have dismissed as ridiculous, the idea of being represented by a Labour councillor who openly praised Adolf Hitler.
    The last two MP's for Bradford west have shown where you have to be in certain community's.
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    malcolmg said:

    Can anyone name a cabinet member that is half talented and not a lying toerag.

    It is simpler than that. Can you name any frontline British politician who is not a lying scumbag? It is a precondition of success in politics.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191

    malcolmg said:

    Can anyone name a cabinet member that is half talented and not a lying toerag.

    It is simpler than that. Can you name any frontline British politician who is not a lying scumbag? It is a precondition of success in politics.
    It was said of Austen Chamberlain, manufactured to be the perfect English gentleman and the soul of decency, integrity and duty by his father, that he always played the game - and he always lost it.
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    A £6bn deal to sell Eurofighter Typhoons to Qatar will help safeguard thousands of UK jobs.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42302767

    I'm sure this deal would have gone though under a corbyn labour government ,wouldn't it ?
    Labour’s Shami Chakrabarti said she was “very disappointed” by Gavin Williamson’s comments about killing so-called Islamic State fighters this week. The Labour peer this morning described “targeted assassinations” of “criminals” – presumably IS fighters – as “appalling”.
    With starmer comments on the EU this morning and people like chakrabarti in the party,labour won't be winning my vote back any time soon.
    That only matters if you are in a marginal constituency like me.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,112
    JackW said:


    fully loaded at £90k a pop it's certainly not a cheap option.

    That must be some quality Armagnac, Jack.....
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    A £6bn deal to sell Eurofighter Typhoons to Qatar will help safeguard thousands of UK jobs.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42302767

    I'm sure this deal would have gone though under a corbyn labour government ,wouldn't it ?

    Given the current sabre rattling on the Arabian Peninsular it would be very interesting to know what the Saudi Government are making of this development.
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    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    Can anyone name a cabinet member that is half talented and not a lying toerag.

    It is simpler than that. Can you name any frontline British politician who is not a lying scumbag? It is a precondition of success in politics.
    It was said of Austen Chamberlain, manufactured to be the perfect English gentleman and the soul of decency, integrity and duty by his father, that he always played the game - and he always lost it.
    He is probably the last one.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989

    malcolmg said:

    Can anyone name a cabinet member that is half talented and not a lying toerag.

    It is simpler than that. Can you name any frontline British politician who is not a lying scumbag? It is a precondition of success in politics.
    Amber Rudd, Justine Greening, Hilary Benn, Alan Johnson, Norman Lamb, Theresa May (on the whole), Jacob Rees Mogg (although he has never been a minister)
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989

    Completely OT but referencing the previous thread as I have been out most of the day.

    I find it completely staggering that anyone could claim that someone who had a child out of wedlock is not fit to be PM. It seems to be an attitude that is so utterly outdated that I can't help but feel it must be a joke.

    In the 1950s there was even fuss about Eden being divorced in some quarters let alone having a child out of wedlock. Most people, especially younger people, are no longer bothered but in some quarters and especially amongst more elderly and retired voters it may still be an issue
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191

    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    Can anyone name a cabinet member that is half talented and not a lying toerag.

    It is simpler than that. Can you name any frontline British politician who is not a lying scumbag? It is a precondition of success in politics.
    It was said of Austen Chamberlain, manufactured to be the perfect English gentleman and the soul of decency, integrity and duty by his father, that he always played the game - and he always lost it.
    He is probably the last one.
    Interesting man although his political career was ultimately never quite fulfilled. Also I believe the only serving Foreign Secretary to win the Nobel Peace Prize (joint with Dawes) although Henderson was awarded one after leaving office.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,270

    Completely OT but referencing the previous thread as I have been out most of the day.

    I find it completely staggering that anyone could claim that someone who had a child out of wedlock is not fit to be PM. It seems to be an attitude that is so utterly outdated that I can't help but feel it must be a joke.

    +100.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189
    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    The snow has just sat over mid Wales and central England all day. It'll make for a fun commute tomorrow.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,988
    JackW said:

    ydoethur said:

    JackW said:

    Just back from a family lunch and driven home in an Audi SQ7. Stunningly impressive given the preponderance of white stuff on rural Hertfordshire country roads.

    Plenty of empty abandoned vehicles about including a brand new Range Rover. Ooopps.

    Good to see you back Jack, oops, I mean, my lord.

    On Pye Green Road this morning, three cars got stuck going up a small hill.

    The police came out to help in a rear wheel drive vehicle.

    Guess what the fourth car to get stuck was.
    :smiley: .. and thank you.

    We had six plus the driver in the car. The traction was astonishing and given the conditions the whole journey was supremely effortless. But fully loaded at £90k a pop it's certainly not a cheap option.
    Does any PBer know whether these are new-build Eurofighters, or some of the 48 fairly hopeless Tranche 1 planes the RAF has? As 24 of those tranche 1's may be upgraded to allow a later out-of-service date, I wonder if the 24 being sold are the tranche 1's? If so, then it's an even better deal, because AIUI it'll cost a fortune to modernise those planes.

    (The Eurofifghters were made in several tranches. The first tranche are fairly poor wrt functionality - e.g. you cannot fit Meteor or Brimstone to them - and the RAF has been wondering what the heck they can do with them as they are fairly different to the later tranches. It is up to the reader to question the sense of building such vastly expensive planes that cannot be upgraded.)
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    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Can anyone name a cabinet member that is half talented and not a lying toerag.

    It is simpler than that. Can you name any frontline British politician who is not a lying scumbag? It is a precondition of success in politics.
    Amber Rudd, Justine Greening, Hilary Benn, Alan Johnson, Norman Lamb, Theresa May (on the whole), Jacob Rees Mogg (although he has never been a minister)
    No. They just haven't been found out yet.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989
    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    I was born on December 18th and my father and grandparents could barely get to the hospital because of the snow, or so I am told
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    The snow has just sat over mid Wales and central England all day. It'll make for a fun commute tomorrow.
    I'm walking.

    I have already had the email to say the school is open but we should use our discretion as to whether we can get there safely.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,203

    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Labour campaigner is suspended for posting 'anti-Semitic' video online showing three councillors dancing in traditional Jewish clothes

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5164931/Labour-activist-suspended-accused-anti-Semitism.html

    No problem with anti-Semitism...they did a report and everything.

    I have to say for all my criticism of Labour under Blair, Brown and Miliband, I seriously didn't think that being anti-Jew was ever going to be an issue.

    Miliband himself was Jewish - the first and so far only person who wasn't an ethnic Caucasian specifically BritishEuropean male to lead the Labour Party full time.

    I likewise would never have dreamed that less than three years later this would be happening.

    Edited because come to think of it his father was European.
    Three years ago, I would have dismissed as ridiculous, the idea of being represented by a Labour councillor who openly praised Adolf Hitler.
    The last two MP's for Bradford west have shown where you have to be in certain community's.
    The tone in Labour is set from the top.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989

    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Can anyone name a cabinet member that is half talented and not a lying toerag.

    It is simpler than that. Can you name any frontline British politician who is not a lying scumbag? It is a precondition of success in politics.
    Amber Rudd, Justine Greening, Hilary Benn, Alan Johnson, Norman Lamb, Theresa May (on the whole), Jacob Rees Mogg (although he has never been a minister)
    No. They just haven't been found out yet.
    With 24 hour news nowadays and the internet I am sure if there was anything major on them it would have been discovered by now and they are all rare examples of reasonably honest politicians
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989
    edited December 2017
    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    The snow has just sat over mid Wales and central England all day. It'll make for a fun commute tomorrow.
    I'm walking.

    I have already had the email to say the school is open but we should use our discretion as to whether we can get there safely.
    Our 'snowdays' whether at school or work and the accompanied road and rail disruption would be considered absurd in Finland, Norway, Russia, or parts of Canada and New England where today's snowfall is just an average winter day. They have learnt to prepare
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,079
    Trying to decide whether using avocado emojis as bullet point glyphs on my LinkedIn profile is interesting and shows my personality (hilarious #millennial) or unprofessional.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,203
    IanB2 said:

    Completely OT but referencing the previous thread as I have been out most of the day.

    I find it completely staggering that anyone could claim that someone who had a child out of wedlock is not fit to be PM. It seems to be an attitude that is so utterly outdated that I can't help but feel it must be a joke.

    +100.
    If anything I think it is to Ms Rayner's credit that she has made something of herself despite having a child at 16. That shows some gumption and is to be admired.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    The snow has just sat over mid Wales and central England all day. It'll make for a fun commute tomorrow.
    I'm walking.

    I have already had the email to say the school is open but we should use our discretion as to whether we can get there safely.
    Our 'snowdays' whether at school or work and the accompanied road and rail disruption would be considered absurd in Finland, Norway, Russia, or parts of Canada and New England where today's snowfall is just an average winter day. They have learnt to prepare
    We don't get enough of it to make it worthwhile.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    edited December 2017
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    The snow has just sat over mid Wales and central England all day. It'll make for a fun commute tomorrow.
    I'm walking.

    I have already had the email to say the school is open but we should use our discretion as to whether we can get there safely.
    Our 'snowdays' whether at school or work and the accompanied road and rail disruption would be considered absurd in Finland, Norway, Russia, or parts of Canada and New England where today's snowfall is just an average winter day. They have learnt to prepare
    In those places it's worth investing in snow tyres and snow chains because you get deep snow every year for prolonged periods. In England the situation is different.

    In my case it doesn't matter, but I don't think I'd want to drive in what is now eight inches of snow partially compacted in an ordinary front-wheel drive car in summer tyres unless I had no other choice.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,988

    malcolmg said:

    Can anyone name a cabinet member that is half talented and not a lying toerag.

    It is simpler than that. Can you name any frontline British politician who is not a lying scumbag? It is a precondition of success in politics.
    This is where I think you regularly go a little OTT, Richard. I can certainly see many MPs as being decent people who want to do the best for the country, even if I disagree with their politics. The 'lying' part for frontline politicians often comes down to the media, which frequently makes sensible discourse in politics impossible.

    Yes, there are MPs who lie and are scumbags. But there are many who are not scumbags. I doubt there are many who don't lie occasionally - just as there are few of us who can truthfully say we never lie. And frontline politicians face a media who routinely twist words and meanings.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989
    Cyclefree said:

    IanB2 said:

    Completely OT but referencing the previous thread as I have been out most of the day.

    I find it completely staggering that anyone could claim that someone who had a child out of wedlock is not fit to be PM. It seems to be an attitude that is so utterly outdated that I can't help but feel it must be a joke.

    +100.
    If anything I think it is to Ms Rayner's credit that she has made something of herself despite having a child at 16. That shows some gumption and is to be admired.
    A bit disconcerting for me though that she is only 2 years older than I am and already a grandmother and I am not yet even a father, I suppose at least she can say her family are doing their bit to create the next generation
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,988
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    The snow has just sat over mid Wales and central England all day. It'll make for a fun commute tomorrow.
    I'm walking.

    I have already had the email to say the school is open but we should use our discretion as to whether we can get there safely.
    Our 'snowdays' whether at school or work and the accompanied road and rail disruption would be considered absurd in Finland, Norway, Russia, or parts of Canada and New England where today's snowfall is just an average winter day. They have learnt to prepare
    In those places it's worth investing in snow tyres and snow chains because you get deep snow every year for prolonged periods. In England the situation is different.

    In my case it doesn't matter, but I don't think I'd want to drive in what is now eight inches of snow partially compacted in an ordinary front-wheel drive car in summer tyres unless I had no other choice.
    ISTR in some parts of Germany (all?) you have by law to carry snowchains in your car for part of the year.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989
    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    The snow has just sat over mid Wales and central England all day. It'll make for a fun commute tomorrow.
    I'm walking.

    I have already had the email to say the school is open but we should use our discretion as to whether we can get there safely.
    Our 'snowdays' whether at school or work and the accompanied road and rail disruption would be considered absurd in Finland, Norway, Russia, or parts of Canada and New England where today's snowfall is just an average winter day. They have learnt to prepare
    We don't get enough of it to make it worthwhile.
    No reason not to be better prepared than we are
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    The snow has just sat over mid Wales and central England all day. It'll make for a fun commute tomorrow.
    I'm walking.

    I have already had the email to say the school is open but we should use our discretion as to whether we can get there safely.
    Our 'snowdays' whether at school or work and the accompanied road and rail disruption would be considered absurd in Finland, Norway, Russia, or parts of Canada and New England where today's snowfall is just an average winter day. They have learnt to prepare
    In those places it's worth investing in snow tyres and snow chains because you get deep snow every year for prolonged periods. In England the situation is different.

    In my case it doesn't matter, but I don't think I'd want to drive in what is now eight inches of snow partially compacted in an ordinary front-wheel drive car in summer tyres unless I had no other choice.
    No but maybe worth considering at least having one school bus for teachers and pupils with snow tyres and snow chains for those who still want to come in
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,988

    Trying to decide whether using avocado emojis as bullet point glyphs on my LinkedIn profile is interesting and shows my personality (hilarious #millennial) or unprofessional.

    Don't. Recruitment and interview bods have no sense of humour.

    Ahem. ;)
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    The snow has just sat over mid Wales and central England all day. It'll make for a fun commute tomorrow.
    I'm walking.

    I have already had the email to say the school is open but we should use our discretion as to whether we can get there safely.
    Our 'snowdays' whether at school or work and the accompanied road and rail disruption would be considered absurd in Finland, Norway, Russia, or parts of Canada and New England where today's snowfall is just an average winter day. They have learnt to prepare
    In those places it's worth investing in snow tyres and snow chains because you get deep snow every year for prolonged periods. In England the situation is different.

    In my case it doesn't matter, but I don't think I'd want to drive in what is now eight inches of snow partially compacted in an ordinary front-wheel drive car in summer tyres unless I had no other choice.
    ISTR in some parts of Germany (all?) you have by law to carry snowchains in your car for part of the year.
    And a damn sensible rule that would be in the Alps.

    But this is the first significant snowfall we have had since I moved to Cannock three and a half years ago. There has been one other fall of about half an inch which wouldn't have stopped a baby's pushchair.

    Paying £500 for snow tyres and chains would be excessive.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    edited December 2017
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    The snow has just sat over mid Wales and central England all day. It'll make for a fun commute tomorrow.
    I'm walking.

    I have already had the email to say the school is open but we should use our discretion as to whether we can get there safely.
    Our 'snowdays' whether at school or work and the accompanied road and rail disruption would be considered absurd in Finland, Norway, Russia, or parts of Canada and New England where today's snowfall is just an average winter day. They have learnt to prepare
    In those places it's worth investing in snow tyres and snow chains because you get deep snow every year for prolonged periods. In England the situation is different.

    In my case it doesn't matter, but I don't think I'd want to drive in what is now eight inches of snow partially compacted in an ordinary front-wheel drive car in summer tyres unless I had no other choice.
    No but maybe worth considering at least having one school bus for teachers and pupils with snow tyres and snow chains for those who still want to come in
    Not a lot of help for rural schools which might have 16-20 routes to cover and staff living fifty miles away.

    And not necessary in urban schools where the children can walk.

    Edit - it's not exactly the work of five minutes to swap the tyres over either, but they deteriorate quickly when used in temperatures above freezing. Chains are a pain too.
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    nielhnielh Posts: 1,307
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    The snow has just sat over mid Wales and central England all day. It'll make for a fun commute tomorrow.
    I'm walking.

    I have already had the email to say the school is open but we should use our discretion as to whether we can get there safely.
    Our 'snowdays' whether at school or work and the accompanied road and rail disruption would be considered absurd in Finland, Norway, Russia, or parts of Canada and New England where today's snowfall is just an average winter day. They have learnt to prepare
    In those places it's worth investing in snow tyres and snow chains because you get deep snow every year for prolonged periods. In England the situation is different.

    In my case it doesn't matter, but I don't think I'd want to drive in what is now eight inches of snow partially compacted in an ordinary front-wheel drive car in summer tyres unless I had no other choice.
    The Nordic countries are set up for snow because they get so much of it. I am familliar with a few of these countries, and after the beauty of the initial snowfall has passed, it just gets very annoying. The pavements etc stay as compacted ice for weeks on end, so lots of people fall over and break their bones. Also, cars slide around on the roads. Its a nightmare for the elderly. Also, people get ill because of the freezing temperatures, and end up taking lots of time off work sick.

    I think the point about the UK is that what infrastructure we had for cold weather, we seemed to abandon about 25 years ago. I presume it was a case of it being the responsibility of local authorities, who were not funded to do it, so it stopped happening.



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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,988
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    The snow has just sat over mid Wales and central England all day. It'll make for a fun commute tomorrow.
    I'm walking.

    I have already had the email to say the school is open but we should use our discretion as to whether we can get there safely.
    Our 'snowdays' whether at school or work and the accompanied road and rail disruption would be considered absurd in Finland, Norway, Russia, or parts of Canada and New England where today's snowfall is just an average winter day. They have learnt to prepare
    In those places it's worth investing in snow tyres and snow chains because you get deep snow every year for prolonged periods. In England the situation is different.

    In my case it doesn't matter, but I don't think I'd want to drive in what is now eight inches of snow partially compacted in an ordinary front-wheel drive car in summer tyres unless I had no other choice.
    ISTR in some parts of Germany (all?) you have by law to carry snowchains in your car for part of the year.
    And a damn sensible rule that would be in the Alps.

    But this is the first significant snowfall we have had since I moved to Cannock three and a half years ago. There has been one other fall of about half an inch which wouldn't have stopped a baby's pushchair.

    Paying £500 for snow tyres and chains would be excessive.
    I agree with you, and think HYUFD is being a little silly. For instance, my son is three and a half, and this is the first significant snowfall he has seen in Cambridge (today has been FUN!).

    I used to live near, and routinely drive through, the Peak District, and I'd like to think I used to be fairly good at driving in the snow. Today, though, I realised those skills had somewhat atrophied over the decades.

    Then there are the practicalities: take tarmac, for instance. AIUI it can be quite difficult to get tarmac that has good qualities at regular sub-zero temperatures and also does not melt if it gets above 25 degrees.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,245
    So the Starks were right after all.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189
    It's at times like these that my dad usually remarks "as far as I'm concerned, it hasn't snowed since 1962."
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    edited December 2017

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    The snow has just sat over mid Wales and central England all day. It'll make for a fun commute tomorrow.
    I'm walking.

    I have already had the email to say the school is open but we should use our discretion as to whether we can get there safely.
    Our 'snowdays' whether at school or work and the accompanied road and rail disruption would be considered absurd in Finland, Norway, Russia, or parts of Canada and New England where today's snowfall is just an average winter day. They have learnt to prepare
    In those places it's worth investing in snow tyres and snow chains because you get deep snow every year for prolonged periods. In England the situation is different.

    In my case it doesn't matter, but I don't think I'd want to drive in what is now eight inches of snow partially compacted in an ordinary front-wheel drive car in summer tyres unless I had no other choice.
    ISTR in some parts of Germany (all?) you have by law to carry snowchains in your car for part of the year.
    And a damn sensible rule that would be in the Alps.

    But this is the first significant snowfall we have had since I moved to Cannock three and a half years ago. There has been one other fall of about half an inch which wouldn't have stopped a baby's pushchair.

    Paying £500 for snow tyres and chains would be excessive.
    I agree with you, and think HYUFD is being a little silly. For instance, my son is three and a half, and this is the first significant snowfall he has seen in Cambridge (today has been FUN!).

    I used to live near, and routinely drive through, the Peak District, and I'd like to think I used to be fairly good at driving in the snow. Today, though, I realised those skills had somewhat atrophied over the decades.

    Then there are the practicalities: take tarmac, for instance. AIUI it can be quite difficult to get tarmac that has good qualities at regular sub-zero temperatures and also does not melt if it gets above 25 degrees.
    I hope the little one has been duly appreciative. My neighbour and his (teenage) daughters have been having loads of fun building the most awesome snowman I have ever seen. It's taller than me and I'm not exactly short!

    Tomorrow all children will be hyper. I am already reaching for the Horrible Histories DVDs, my reliable fallback when all else fails...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    The snow has just sat over mid Wales and central England all day. It'll make for a fun commute tomorrow.
    I'm walking.

    I have already had the email to say the school is open but we should use our discretion as to whether we can get there safely.
    Our 'snowdays' whether at school or work and the accompanied road and rail disruption would be considered absurd in Finland, Norway, Russia, or parts of Canada and New England where today's snowfall is just an average winter day. They have learnt to prepare
    In those places it's worth investing in snow tyres and snow chains because you get deep snow every year for prolonged periods. In England the situation is different.

    In my case it doesn't matter, but I don't think I'd want to drive in what is now eight inches of snow partially compacted in an ordinary front-wheel drive car in summer tyres unless I had no other choice.
    No but maybe worth considering at least having one school bus for teachers and pupils with snow tyres and snow chains for those who still want to come in
    Not a lot of help for rural schools which might have 16-20 routes to cover and staff living fifty miles away.

    And not necessary in urban schools where the children can walk.

    Edit - it's not exactly the work of five minutes to swap the tyres over either, but they deteriorate quickly when used in temperatures above freezing. Chains are a pain too.
    In urban and suburban areas depends on the catchment area. In rural areas just needs each village or market town to ensure it has one snow ready bus
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,245

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    The snow has just sat over mid Wales and central England all day. It'll make for a fun commute tomorrow.
    I'm walking.

    I have already had the email to say the school is open but we should use our discretion as to whether we can get there safely.
    Our 'snowdays' whether at school or work and the accompanied road and rail disruption would be considered absurd in Finland, Norway, Russia, or parts of Canada and New England where today's snowfall is just an average winter day. They have learnt to prepare
    In those places it's worth investing in snow tyres and snow chains because you get deep snow every year for prolonged periods. In England the situation is different.

    In my case it doesn't matter, but I don't think I'd want to drive in what is now eight inches of snow partially compacted in an ordinary front-wheel drive car in summer tyres unless I had no other choice.
    ISTR in some parts of Germany (all?) you have by law to carry snowchains in your car for part of the year.
    Certainly in West Germany in the 1970’s it was illegal to drive on the public roads without studded tires but they had snow on the ground for months at a time.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    The snow has just sat over mid Wales and central England all day. It'll make for a fun commute tomorrow.
    I'm walking.

    I have already had the email to say the school is open but we should use our discretion as to whether we can get there safely.
    Our 'snowdays' whether at school or work and the accompanied road and rail disruption would be considered absurd in Finland, Norway, Russia, or parts of Canada and New England where today's snowfall is just an average winter day. They have learnt to prepare
    In those places it's worth investing in snow tyres and snow chains because you get deep snow every year for prolonged periods. In England the situation is different.

    In my case it doesn't matter, but I don't think I'd want to drive in what is now eight inches of snow partially compacted in an ordinary front-wheel drive car in summer tyres unless I had no other choice.
    No but maybe worth considering at least having one school bus for teachers and pupils with snow tyres and snow chains for those who still want to come in
    Not a lot of help for rural schools which might have 16-20 routes to cover and staff living fifty miles away.

    And not necessary in urban schools where the children can walk.

    Edit - it's not exactly the work of five minutes to swap the tyres over either, but they deteriorate quickly when used in temperatures above freezing. Chains are a pain too.
    In urban and suburban areas depends on the catchment area. In rural areas just needs each village or market town to ensure it has one snow ready bus
    And who drives it?
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,988
    tlg86 said:

    It's at times like these that my dad usually remarks "as far as I'm concerned, it hasn't snowed since 1962."

    My dad was living in the Peak District near Leek in the ?1947? winter. It snowed very heavily, and my granddad decided he needed to try to get the milk through to the nearest dairy. He set off on the tractor, but gave up on the road when it approached a little stream valley. He noticed the telegraph posts alongside the road disappearing beneath the snow, showing the entire valley was filled to at least telegraph-post height.

    Snow? We don't know what snow is.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    The snow has just sat over mid Wales and central England all day. It'll make for a fun commute tomorrow.
    I'm walking.

    I have already had the email to say the school is open but we should use our discretion as to whether we can get there safely.
    Our 'snowdays' whether at school or work and the accompanied road and rail disruption would be considered absurd in Finland, Norway, Russia, or parts of Canada and New England where today's snowfall is just an average winter day. They have learnt to prepare
    In those places it's worth investing in snow tyres and snow chains because you get deep snow every year for prolonged periods. In England the situation is different.

    In my case it doesn't matter, but I don't think I'd want to drive in what is now eight inches of snow partially compacted in an ordinary front-wheel drive car in summer tyres unless I had no other choice.
    No but maybe worth considering at least having one school bus for teachers and pupils with snow tyres and snow chains for those who still want to come in
    Not a lot of help for rural schools which might have 16-20 routes to cover and staff living fifty miles away.

    And not necessary in urban schools where the children can walk.

    Edit - it's not exactly the work of five minutes to swap the tyres over either, but they deteriorate quickly when used in temperatures above freezing. Chains are a pain too.
    In urban and suburban areas depends on the catchment area. In rural areas just needs each village or market town to ensure it has one snow ready bus
    And who drives it?
    The same bus drivers the council normally provides for its bus service
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191

    tlg86 said:

    It's at times like these that my dad usually remarks "as far as I'm concerned, it hasn't snowed since 1962."

    My dad was living in the Peak District near Leek in the ?1947? winter. It snowed very heavily, and my granddad decided he needed to try to get the milk through to the nearest dairy. He set off on the tractor, but gave up on the road when it approached a little stream valley. He noticed the telegraph posts alongside the road disappearing beneath the snow, showing the entire valley was filled to at least telegraph-post height.

    Snow? We don't know what snow is.
    Sure we do. It's white stuff that we never get, especially in Decem...hold on.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,604

    Trying to decide whether using avocado emojis as bullet point glyphs on my LinkedIn profile is interesting and shows my personality (hilarious #millennial) or unprofessional.

    Use snowflakes instead. Much more festive.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    The snow has just sat over mid Wales and central England all day. It'll make for a fun commute tomorrow.
    I'm walking.

    I have already had the email to say the school is open but we should use our discretion as to whether we can get there safely.
    Our 'snowdays' whether at school or work and the accompanied road and rail disruption would be considered absurd in Finland, Norway, Russia, or parts of Canada and New England where today's snowfall is just an average winter day. They have learnt to prepare
    In those places it's worth investing in snow tyres and snow chains because you get deep snow every year for prolonged periods. In England the situation is different.

    In my case it doesn't matter, but I don't think I'd want to drive in what is now eight inches of snow partially compacted in an ordinary front-wheel drive car in summer tyres unless I had no other choice.
    No but maybe worth considering at least having one school bus for teachers and pupils with snow tyres and snow chains for those who still want to come in
    Not a lot of help for rural schools which might have 16-20 routes to cover and staff living fifty miles away.

    And not necessary in urban schools where the children can walk.

    Edit - it's not exactly the work of five minutes to swap the tyres over either, but they deteriorate quickly when used in temperatures above freezing. Chains are a pain too.
    In urban and suburban areas depends on the catchment area. In rural areas just needs each village or market town to ensure it has one snow ready bus
    And who drives it?
    The same bus drivers the council normally provides for its bus service
    How do they get there?
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    nielhnielh Posts: 1,307
    edited December 2017
    Cyclefree said:

    IanB2 said:

    Completely OT but referencing the previous thread as I have been out most of the day.

    I find it completely staggering that anyone could claim that someone who had a child out of wedlock is not fit to be PM. It seems to be an attitude that is so utterly outdated that I can't help but feel it must be a joke.

    +100.
    If anything I think it is to Ms Rayner's credit that she has made something of herself despite having a child at 16. That shows some gumption and is to be admired.


    She's done well, I agree. My overwhelming sense though is that that her having a child at 16 is a non issue. People have to overcome all sorts of challenging situations.

    This profile of Angela Rayner in 2012, when she was a trade union rep, is interesting. Quoted without comment.

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2012/feb/17/working-life-union-official-unison

    "Rayner has a warm relationship with the council leaders, but each knows which side they are on. This is obvious when she talks about grievance processes: "There are times when it's one of my members who has acted badly, but even then I blame management – after all, they recruited that person. Management created the mess, so it is up to management to sort it out, with the best possible result for the member I'm representing."

    On the day I spend with Rayner there are no disciplinary hearings, but we do discuss the process over lunch in the council canteen. "You get genuine ones, where an employee has committed fraud or stolen something, and you try and do your best for them, ensure they might get a fair CV instead of a trip to the police station. We look for a corrective response not a punitive one."
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,245
    edited December 2017
    One of earliest memories is of arriving back at Worthy Down near Winchester and finding a snow drift right up to the second floor of our house. We had to get in by the back door. That was snow.

    It must have been early 1963 after Christmas.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    The snow has just sat over mid Wales and central England all day. It'll make for a fun commute tomorrow.
    I'm walking.

    I have already had the email to say the school is open but we should use our discretion as to whether we can get there safely.
    Our 'snowdays' whether at school or work and the accompanied road and rail disruption would be considered absurd in Finland, Norway, Russia, or parts of Canada and New England where today's snowfall is just an average winter day. They have learnt to prepare
    In those places it's worth investing in snow tyres and snow chains because you get deep snow every year for prolonged periods. In England the situation is different.

    In my case it doesn't matter, but I don't think I'd want to drive in what is now eight inches of snow partially compacted in an ordinary front-wheel drive car in summer tyres unless I had no other choice.
    No but maybe worth considering at least having one school bus for teachers and pupils with snow tyres and snow chains for those who still want to come in
    Not a lot of help for rural schools which might have 16-20 routes to cover and staff living fifty miles away.

    And not necessary in urban schools where the children can walk.

    Edit - it's not exactly the work of five minutes to swap the tyres over either, but they deteriorate quickly when used in temperatures above freezing. Chains are a pain too.
    In urban and suburban areas depends on the catchment area. In rural areas just needs each village or market town to ensure it has one snow ready bus
    And who drives it?
    The same bus drivers the council normally provides for its bus service
    How do they get there?
    If they leave from the local village or market town where most of them are likely to live near they walk
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    Let's move the UK's central bank away from the world's most international and Europe's most significant financial centre!

    I think this is the most moronic policy I have ever seen from any party ever.
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    ElliotElliot Posts: 1,516
    I imagine John McDonell would want the Bank's independent oversight to be as far away from his Treasury as possible.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    edited December 2017
    nielh said:

    Cyclefree said:

    IanB2 said:

    Completely OT but referencing the previous thread as I have been out most of the day.

    I find it completely staggering that anyone could claim that someone who had a child out of wedlock is not fit to be PM. It seems to be an attitude that is so utterly outdated that I can't help but feel it must be a joke.

    +100.
    If anything I think it is to Ms Rayner's credit that she has made something of herself despite having a child at 16. That shows some gumption and is to be admired.


    She's done well, I agree. My overwhelming sense though is that that her having a child at 16 is a non issue. People have to overcome all sorts of challenging situations.

    This profile of Angela Rayner in 2012, when she was a trade union rep, is interesting. Quoted without comment.

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2012/feb/17/working-life-union-official-unison

    "Rayner has a warm relationship with the council leaders, but each knows which side they are on. This is obvious when she talks about grievance processes: "There are times when it's one of my members who has acted badly, but even then I blame management – after all, they recruited that person. Management created the mess, so it is up to management to sort it out, with the best possible result for the member I'm representing."

    On the day I spend with Rayner there are no disciplinary hearings, but we do discuss the process over lunch in the council canteen. "You get genuine ones, where an employee has committed fraud or stolen something, and you try and do your best for them, ensure they might get a fair CV instead of a trip to the police station. We look for a corrective response not a punitive one."
    A fair CV? Following a crime?

    Surely if the employer withheld that information in a reference they are themselves committing fraud. I would be criminally liable under such circumstances as a referee if I understand current law.

    I don't rate her, but never dreamed that she once proposed that.
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    RoyalBlue said:

    Let's move the UK's central bank away from the world's most international and Europe's most significant financial centre!

    I think this is the most moronic policy I have ever seen from any party ever.
    And this is the stuff they are willingly putting out there....
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Cyclefree said:

    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Labour campaigner is suspended for posting 'anti-Semitic' video online showing three councillors dancing in traditional Jewish clothes

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5164931/Labour-activist-suspended-accused-anti-Semitism.html

    No problem with anti-Semitism...they did a report and everything.

    I have to say for all my criticism of Labour under Blair, Brown and Miliband, I seriously didn't think that being anti-Jew was ever going to be an issue.

    Miliband himself was Jewish - the first and so far only person who wasn't an ethnic Caucasian specifically BritishEuropean male to lead the Labour Party full time.

    I likewise would never have dreamed that less than three years later this would be happening.

    Edited because come to think of it his father was European.
    Three years ago, I would have dismissed as ridiculous, the idea of being represented by a Labour councillor who openly praised Adolf Hitler.
    The last two MP's for Bradford west have shown where you have to be in certain community's.
    The tone in Labour is set from the top.
    One of those MP's was Mr purr himself of the respect party but if you want to win votes in these places you will probably have to go down the path where some labour people have let themselves down.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,988
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    The snow has just sat over mid Wales and central England all day. It'll make for a fun commute tomorrow.
    I'm walking.

    I have already had the email to say the school is open but we should use our discretion as to whether we can get there safely.
    Our 'snowdays' whether at school or work and the accompanied road and rail disruption would be considered absurd in Finland, Norway, Russia, or parts of Canada and New England where today's snowfall is just an average winter day. They have learnt to prepare
    In those places it's worth investing in snow tyres and snow chains because you get deep snow every year for prolonged periods. In England the situation is different.

    In my case it doesn't matter, but I don't think I'd want to drive in what is now eight inches of snow partially compacted in an ordinary front-wheel drive car in summer tyres unless I had no other choice.
    No but maybe worth considering at least having one school bus for teachers and pupils with snow tyres and snow chains for those who still want to come in
    Not a lot of help for rural schools which might have 16-20 routes to cover and staff living fifty miles away.

    And not necessary in urban schools where the children can walk.

    Edit - it's not exactly the work of five minutes to swap the tyres over either, but they deteriorate quickly when used in temperatures above freezing. Chains are a pain too.
    In urban and suburban areas depends on the catchment area. In rural areas just needs each village or market town to ensure it has one snow ready bus
    And who drives it?
    The same bus drivers the council normally provides for its bus service
    One of my local schools regularly has four or five busses waiting to vomit out their loads of children, and South Cambridgeshire isn't exactly known for its extreme rural characteristics. It's not just a case of having 'snow-ready' busses; it's a case of having drivers who can cope well with all possible snow conditions.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    The snow has just sat over mid Wales and central England all day. It'll make for a fun commute tomorrow.
    I'm walking.

    I have already had the email to say the school is open but we should use our discretion as to whether we can get there safely.
    Our 'snowdays' whether at school or work and the accompanied road and rail disruption would be considered absurd in Finland, Norway, Russia, or parts of Canada and New England where today's snowfall is just an average winter day. They have learnt to prepare
    In those places it's worth investing in snow tyres and snow chains because you get deep snow every year for prolonged periods. In England the situation is different.

    In my case it doesn't matter, but I don't think I'd want to drive in what is now eight inches of snow partially compacted in an ordinary front-wheel drive car in summer tyres unless I had no other choice.
    No but maybe worth considering at least having one school bus for teachers and pupils with snow tyres and snow chains for those who still want to come in
    Not a lot of help for rural schools which might have 16-20 routes to cover and staff living fifty miles away.

    And not necessary in urban schools where the children can walk.

    Edit - it's not exactly the work of five minutes to swap the tyres over either, but they deteriorate quickly when used in temperatures above freezing. Chains are a pain too.
    In urban and suburban areas depends on the catchment area. In rural areas just needs each village or market town to ensure it has one snow ready bus
    And who drives it?
    The same bus drivers the council normally provides for its bus service
    How do they get there?
    If they leave from the local village or market town where most of them are likely to live near they walk
    Ok. What that proves is you know nothing about bus drivers.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,956
    DavidL said:

    Lukaku looking worth every penny of the £75 we spent on him. It was £75 wasn’t it?

    Tell you what. Send him out on loan this transfer window. Everton need a striker.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,270
    edited December 2017
    Cyclefree said:

    IanB2 said:

    Completely OT but referencing the previous thread as I have been out most of the day.

    I find it completely staggering that anyone could claim that someone who had a child out of wedlock is not fit to be PM. It seems to be an attitude that is so utterly outdated that I can't help but feel it must be a joke.

    +100.
    If anything I think it is to Ms Rayner's credit that she has made something of herself despite having a child at 16. That shows some gumption and is to be admired.
    Agree.

    Today's YouGov survey, which I did earlier, has a Q about whether someone could/should be monarch in a whole variety of listed circumstances - ethnic minority, different religion, already has children, gay partner, older partner, divorced, etc. I expect the results will be out in a day or two and it will be an interesting window on current social attitudes.
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    ElliotElliot Posts: 1,516
    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Labour campaigner is suspended for posting 'anti-Semitic' video online showing three councillors dancing in traditional Jewish clothes

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5164931/Labour-activist-suspended-accused-anti-Semitism.html

    No problem with anti-Semitism...they did a report and everything.

    I have to say for all my criticism of Labour under Blair, Brown and Miliband, I seriously didn't think that being anti-Jew was ever going to be an issue.

    Miliband himself was Jewish - the first and so far only person who wasn't an ethnic Caucasian specifically BritishEuropean male to lead the Labour Party full time.

    I likewise would never have dreamed that less than three years later this would be happening.

    Edited because come to think of it his father was European.
    Three years ago, I would have dismissed as ridiculous, the idea of being represented by a Labour councillor who openly praised Adolf Hitler.
    I can't quite get over how so many intelligent people have normalised extremists like Trump and Corbyn as just another part of the mainstream political spectrum.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    RoyalBlue said:

    Let's move the UK's central bank away from the world's most international and Europe's most significant financial centre!

    I think this is the most moronic policy I have ever seen from any party ever.
    The Bank of England actually used to be mostly based in Gloucester.

    For some reason, they moved it to a rubbishy unimportant city out east somewhere. Think it was called something like Lumbered :wink:
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,245
    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    Lukaku looking worth every penny of the £75 we spent on him. It was £75 wasn’t it?

    Tell you what. Send him out on loan this transfer window. Everton need a striker.
    It’s tempting. He was a waste of space up front today with one glorious chance hit straight at the keeper (who in fairness reacted quite brilliantly to the rebound) and he gave away the winning goal. He works hard but so does Fellaini.
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    nielhnielh Posts: 1,307

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    The snow has just sat over mid Wales and central England all day. It'll make for a fun commute tomorrow.
    I'm walking.

    I have already had the email to say the school is open but we should use our discretion as to whether we can get there safely.
    . They have learnt to prepare
    In those places it's worth investing in snow tyres and snow chains because you get deep snow every year for prolonged periods. In England the situation is different.

    In my case it doesn't matter, but I don't think I'd want to drive in what is now eight inches of snow partially compacted in an ordinary front-wheel drive car in summer tyres unless I had no other choice.
    No but maybe worth considering at least having one school bus for teachers and pupils with snow tyres and snow chains for those who still want to come in
    Not a lot of help for rural schools which might have 16-20 routes to cover and staff living fifty miles away.

    And not necessary in urban schools where the children can walk.

    Edit - it's not exactly the work of five minutes to swap the tyres over either, but they deteriorate quickly when used in temperatures above freezing. Chains are a pain too.
    In urban and suburban areas depends on the catchment area. In rural areas just needs each village or market town to ensure it has one snow ready bus
    And who drives it?
    The same bus drivers the council normally provides for its bus service
    One of my local schools regularly has four or five busses waiting to vomit out their loads of children, and South Cambridgeshire isn't exactly known for its extreme rural characteristics. It's not just a case of having 'snow-ready' busses; it's a case of having drivers who can cope well with all possible snow conditions.
    The busses in the nordic countries are pretty much the same as the ones we have. They are 'snow ready' only in the sense that they have studded winter tyres. The problem is that if the road is blocked and piled up with abandoned cars, then the bus wouldn't get anywhere, even if the driver was trained to deal with snow.
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    So on the evidence of today, the Labour Party contains antisemites, people who wish to excuse criminal behaviour and those with no understanding whatsoever of economics.

    Poor Britain.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Can anyone name a cabinet member that is half talented and not a lying toerag.

    It is simpler than that. Can you name any frontline British politician who is not a lying scumbag? It is a precondition of success in politics.
    Amber Rudd, Justine Greening, Hilary Benn, Alan Johnson, Norman Lamb, Theresa May (on the whole), Jacob Rees Mogg (although he has never been a minister)
    Theresa May showed herself to be a liar on April 18th this year.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    RoyalBlue said:

    So on the evidence of today, the Labour Party contains antisemites, people who wish to excuse criminal behaviour and those with no understanding whatsoever of economics.

    Poor Britain.

    Certainly would be after Macdonnell had been in charge for six months.

    No emoticons because that wasn't a joke.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Completely OT but referencing the previous thread as I have been out most of the day.

    I find it completely staggering that anyone could claim that someone who had a child out of wedlock is not fit to be PM. It seems to be an attitude that is so utterly outdated that I can't help but feel it must be a joke.

    If Thatcher had had her twins out of wedlock, would that not have affected her leadership prospects in 1975 - and her chances of becoming PM in 1979?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    The snow has just sat over mid Wales and central England all day. It'll make for a fun commute tomorrow.
    I'm walking.

    I have already had the email to say the school is open but we should use our discretion as to whether we can get there safely.
    Our 'snowdays' whether at school or work and the accompanied road and rail disruption would be considered absurd in Finland, Norway, Russia, or parts of Canada and New England where today's snowfall is just an average winter day. They have learnt to prepare
    In those places it's worth investing in snow tyres and snow chains because you get deep snow every year for prolonged periods. In England the situation is different.

    In my case it doesn't matter, but I don't think I'd want to drive in what is now eight inches of snow partially compacted in an ordinary front-wheel drive car in summer tyres unless I had no other choice.
    No but maybe worth considering at least having one school bus for teachers and pupils with snow tyres and snow chains for those who still want to come in
    Not a lot of help for rural schools which might have 16-20 routes to cover and staff living fifty miles away.

    And not necessary in urban schools where the children can walk.

    Edit - it's not exactly the work of five minutes to swap the tyres over either, but they deteriorate quickly when used in temperatures above freezing. Chains are a pain too.
    In urban and suburban areas depends on the catchment area. In rural areas just needs each village or market town to ensure it has one snow ready bus
    And who drives it?
    The same bus drivers the council normally provides for its bus service
    How do they get there?
    If they leave from the local village or market town where most of them are likely to live near they walk
    Ok. What that proves is you know nothing about bus drivers.
    How many bus drivers in rural areas live in remote hamlets or houses rented from farmers? Not many I suspect
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,245

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    The snow has just sat over mid Wales and central England all day. It'll make for a fun commute tomorrow.
    I'm walking.

    I have already had the email to say the school is open but we should use our discretion as to whether we can get there safely.
    Our 'snowdays' whether at school or work and the accompanied road and rail disruption would be considered absurd in Finland, Norway, Russia, or parts of Canada and New England where today's snowfall is just an average winter day. They have learnt to prepare
    In those places it's worth investing in snow tyres and snow chains because you get deep snow every year for prolonged periods. In England the situation is different.

    In my case it doesn't matter, but I don't think I'd want to drive in what is now eight inches of snow partially compacted in an ordinary front-wheel drive car in summer tyres unless I had no other choice.
    No but maybe worth considering at least having one school bus for teachers and pupils with snow tyres and snow chains for those who still want to come in
    Not a lot of help for rural schools which might have 16-20 routes to cover and staff living fifty miles away.

    And not necessary in urban schools where the children can walk.

    Edit - it's not exactly the work of five minutes to swap the tyres over either, but they deteriorate quickly when used in temperatures above freezing. Chains are a pain too.
    In urban and suburban areas depends on the catchment area. In rural areas just needs each village or market town to ensure it has one snow ready bus
    And who drives it?
    The same bus drivers the council normally provides for its bus service
    One of my local schools regularly has four or five busses waiting to vomit out their loads of children, and South Cambridgeshire isn't exactly known for its extreme rural characteristics. It's not just a case of having 'snow-ready' busses; it's a case of having drivers who can cope well with all possible snow conditions.
    Being near people who are not used to driving in snow and are on that learning curve is genuinely scary. People who use brakes instead of gears to control the car, who think a few more revs will do it and have no experience of their car skidding and don’t know how to respond.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    And there's still more snow than at a drug baron's birthday party.

    This is astonishing especially for December.

    The snow has just sat over mid Wales and central England all day. It'll make for a fun commute tomorrow.
    I'm walking.

    I have already had the email to say the school is open but we should use our discretion as to whether we can get there safely.
    Our 'snowdays' whether at school or work and the accompanied road and rail disruption would be considered absurd in Finland, Norway, Russia, or parts of Canada and New England where today's snowfall is just an average winter day. They have learnt to prepare
    In those places it's worth investing in snow tyres and snow chains because you get deep snow every year for prolonged periods. In England the situation is different.

    In my case it doesn't matter, but I don't think I'd want to drive in what is now eight inches of snow partially compacted in an ordinary front-wheel drive car in summer tyres unless I had no other choice.
    No but maybe worth considering at least having one school bus for teachers and pupils with snow tyres and snow chains for those who still want to come in
    Not a lot of help for rural schools which might have 16-20 routes to cover and staff living fifty miles away.

    And not necessary in urban schools where the children can walk.

    Edit - it's not exactly the work of five minutes to swap the tyres over either, but they deteriorate quickly when used in temperatures above freezing. Chains are a pain too.
    In urban and suburban areas depends on the catchment area. In rural areas just needs each village or market town to ensure it has one snow ready bus
    And who drives it?
    The same bus drivers the council normally provides for its bus service
    One of my local schools regularly has four or five busses waiting to vomit out their loads of children, and South Cambridgeshire isn't exactly known for its extreme rural characteristics. It's not just a case of having 'snow-ready' busses; it's a case of having drivers who can cope well with all possible snow conditions.
    More training ended then
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    nielhnielh Posts: 1,307
    RoyalBlue said:

    So on the evidence of today, the Labour Party contains antisemites, people who wish to excuse criminal behaviour and those with no understanding whatsoever of economics.

    Poor Britain.

    Don't forget Laura Pidcock, who can't be friends with anyone who disagrees with her beliefs; and Jared O'Mara (although the latter is I think currently suspended).

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989
    justin124 said:

    Completely OT but referencing the previous thread as I have been out most of the day.

    I find it completely staggering that anyone could claim that someone who had a child out of wedlock is not fit to be PM. It seems to be an attitude that is so utterly outdated that I can't help but feel it must be a joke.

    If Thatcher had had her twins out of wedlock, would that not have affected her leadership prospects in 1975 - and her chances of becoming PM in 1979?
    I doubt if Thatcher ever slept with anyone before she married Dennis
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    RoyalBlue said:

    Let's move the UK's central bank away from the world's most international and Europe's most significant financial centre!

    I think this is the most moronic policy I have ever seen from any party ever.
    I'm sure Sadiq Khan will be ecstatic about that one.
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