Looking at Betfair Moore seems to be coming in as favourite during the day; and also looking at the CNN coverage, they appear to be talking down Jones's prospects with some exit poll analysis...What would a Republican candidate need to do to lose a blue state?
Ruth Davidson belongs in the Lib Dems, and the majority of the membership see her as such. Discuss. Paging HYUFD...
Ruth Davidson is a monarchist and unionist, hence she is a Tory and not a LD
HYUFD has a problem with logic......
You can be a monarchist and unionist and be a LD, you have to be a monarchist and unionist to be a Tory
This republican Tory who was supporting Yes in 2014 begs to differ.
You are clearly not a Tory then, just a classical liberal who prefers the Tories to Labour. In many western countries, Germany, Spain etc the liberals are economically right of the conservatives and in Australia too the Liberal Party is the more economically right-wing of the Liberal/National coalition while the Nationals are more socially conservative and the most staunchly monarchist while Turnbull, the Liberal PM, is a republican
Did you only want purists to vote for you in that by election HYUFD?
Provided they were monarchists and unionists I would be happy to have their vote, if they were not I would have advised them to vote elsewhere.
Oh lord. Unspoofable.
S’ok they took his advice.
Not one person raised it but in a straight Liberal v Tory choice the most monarchist and unionist choice was clear
They didn’t raise it in the same way as people wouldn’t engage with someone on the street howling at the moon.
They were most focused on the local plan and anti social behaviour and parking etc as it was a local election
Yeah that and the fact that they were talking to a bolted on can’t fucking believe it is he real space cadet. They were focused on that too.
I never mentioned it because I was focused on local issues but none of that changes the core principles of Toryism
But how did you know whether to advise them not to vote for you if you didn’t discuss it and surely you wouldn’t have accepted votes from non-Tories?
Although they evidently didn’t need advising.
I only said I would have advised them if they raised the fact they were republicans or opposed the union
Ruth can be pragmatic on the Brexit deal that May secures.
Or she can be like Ken Clarke - and end her Westminster career punting for some impossible European dream. I hope the former, as she would scare to death both Labour and (especially) the LibDems.
I think Ruth is extremely pragmatic. Some of the things she is being questioned about are a direct result of the Scottish context in which she operates. We could actually do with some immigration, for example.
Yes Ruth is highly pragmatic on Brexit. She went from no Brexit to hard Brexit when having photo ops with fishermen to floppy soft Brexit now. Whatever Brexit you want Ruth agrees with you.
I must admit Ruth Davidson has a good press, how she would fare as an MP I think is less obvious. The Tories will probably see 2017 in Scotland as a bumper year brought about by events, SNP stagnation and Labour infighting as much as RD's leadership, success for RD in Scotland does not equate to automatic success as a national MP. Personally I think she has good PR, is quite bright and capable but not the simple answer to the Tory party's prayers
Since Labour overtook the Tories as the main party of opposition it has been less of an issue but if you go back to the foundations of the Conservative and Unionist Party it was a more staunch commitment to the monarchy and the landed estates which was the key dividing line between the Tories and the Whigs (the antecedents of the LDs) who were more committed to free trade and the merchant classes
This may come as a shock to you but I wasn't born in the 18th century and I'm not choosing between 18th century parties.
The Tories are still as much a monarchist and unionist party as they were then
Looking at Betfair Moore seems to be coming in as favourite during the day; and also looking at the CNN coverage, they appear to be talking down Jones's prospects with some exit poll analysis...What would a Republican candidate need to do to lose a blue state?
Meanwhile US politics and it's role in the world is diminishing by the second.
I drove across Alabama on a family holiday in the late Seventies. It is not a very appealing place. I remember Mobile stinking of sewage. When Lynyrd Skynyrd sing of Sweet Home Alabama, it shows some poetic licence, as does "Almost Heaven, West Virginia"!
Mind you that was when the Democrat George Wallace still dominated the state.
Since Labour overtook the Tories as the main party of opposition it has been less of an issue but if you go back to the foundations of the Conservative and Unionist Party it was a more staunch commitment to the monarchy and the landed estates which was the key dividing line between the Tories and the Whigs (the antecedents of the LDs) who were more committed to free trade and the merchant classes
This may come as a shock to you but I wasn't born in the 18th century and I'm not choosing between 18th century parties.
The Tories are still as much a monarchist and unionist party as they were then
How so if the monarchy is not an issue at any election, manifesto or statement of aims and values?
The Tories in the last century have effectively forced a Monarch to abdicate, just saying.
To be replaced by another monarch, his brother and because he wanted to marry a divorcee when that was more of an issue for the more socially conservative of the main parties (not forgetting he was of course pro Nazi)
The Tories in the last century have effectively forced a Monarch to abdicate, just saying.
To be replaced by another monarch, his brother and because he wanted to marry a divorcee when that was more of an issue for the more socially conservative of the main parties (not forgetting he was of course pro Nazi)
Another reason to abolish the monarchy.
Their German heritage shows their Nazi sympathises.
Take Back Control from Unelected Foreign Heads of State.
Since Labour overtook the Tories as the main party of opposition it has been less of an issue but if you go back to the foundations of the Conservative and Unionist Party it was a more staunch commitment to the monarchy and the landed estates which was the key dividing line between the Tories and the Whigs (the antecedents of the LDs) who were more committed to free trade and the merchant classes
This may come as a shock to you but I wasn't born in the 18th century and I'm not choosing between 18th century parties.
The Tories are still as much a monarchist and unionist party as they were then
How so if the monarchy is not an issue at any election, manifesto or statement of aims and values?
For starters they have a monarchist leader unlike Labour. They remain as committed to the institution of monarchy as they have always been
The Tories in the last century have effectively forced a Monarch to abdicate, just saying.
To be replaced by another monarch, his brother and because he wanted to marry a divorcee when that was more of an issue for the more socially conservative of the main parties (not forgetting he was of course pro Nazi)
Another reason to abolish the monarchy.
Their German heritage shows their Nazi sympathises.
Take Back Control from Foreign Heads of State.
His brother King George VI though and his wife the Queen Mother were both pivotal in rallying the British people against the Nazis alongside Churchill
The Tories in the last century have effectively forced a Monarch to abdicate, just saying.
To be replaced by another monarch, his brother and because he wanted to marry a divorcee when that was more of an issue for the more socially conservative of the main parties (not forgetting he was of course pro Nazi)
Another reason to abolish the monarchy.
Their German heritage shows their Nazi sympathises.
Take Back Control from Foreign Heads of State.
His brother King George VI though and his wife the Queen Mother were both pivotal in rallying the British people against the Nazis alongside Churchill
Looking at Betfair Moore seems to be coming in as favourite during the day; and also looking at the CNN coverage, they appear to be talking down Jones's prospects with some exit poll analysis...What would a Republican candidate need to do to lose a blue state?
Meanwhile US politics and it's role in the world is diminishing by the second.
I drove across Alabama on a family holiday in the late Seventies. It is not a very appealing place. I remember Mobile stinking of sewage. When Lynyrd Skynyrd sing of Sweet Home Alabama, it shows some poetic licence, as does "Almost Heaven, West Virginia"!
Mind you that was when the Democrat George Wallace still dominated the state.
You should give it another chance. The USS Alabama battleship museum (near Mobile, unsurprisingly!) includes not only a battleship, but also two submarines, a hangar of aircraft, some tanks, and a B-52 parked outside.
Selma has definitely seen better days. They were a long, long time ago.
Looking at Betfair Moore seems to be coming in as favourite during the day; and also looking at the CNN coverage, they appear to be talking down Jones's prospects with some exit poll analysis...What would a Republican candidate need to do to lose a blue state?
Meanwhile US politics and it's role in the world is diminishing by the second.
I drove across Alabama on a family holiday in the late Seventies. It is not a very appealing place. I remember Mobile stinking of sewage. When Lynyrd Skynyrd sing of Sweet Home Alabama, it shows some poetic licence, as does "Almost Heaven, West Virginia"!
Mind you that was when the Democrat George Wallace still dominated the state.
You should give it another chance. The USS Alabama battleship museum (near Mobile, unsurprisingly!) includes not only a battleship, but also two submarines, a hangar of aircraft, some tanks, and a B-52 parked outside.
Selma has definitely seen better days. They were a long, long time ago.
We went round it. Indeed that was why we went to Mobile.
The Tories in the last century have effectively forced a Monarch to abdicate, just saying.
To be replaced by another monarch, his brother and because he wanted to marry a divorcee when that was more of an issue for the more socially conservative of the main parties (not forgetting he was of course pro Nazi)
Another reason to abolish the monarchy.
Their German heritage shows their Nazi sympathises.
Take Back Control from Unelected Foreign Heads of State.
The Windsors stopped being German some time ago. They are not Nazis. The one who sympathised was kicked out.
Of all the issues to worry about, the monarchy is the least of them.
Making sure that the levers of power are not in the hands of incompetent, lying, egomaniacal misfits is more of a concern .........
The Tories in the last century have effectively forced a Monarch to abdicate, just saying.
To be replaced by another monarch, his brother and because he wanted to marry a divorcee when that was more of an issue for the more socially conservative of the main parties (not forgetting he was of course pro Nazi)
Another reason to abolish the monarchy.
Their German heritage shows their Nazi sympathises.
Take Back Control from Unelected Foreign Heads of State.
The Windsors stopped being German some time ago. They are not Nazis. The one who sympathised was kicked out.
Of all the issues to worry about, the monarchy is the least of them.
Making sure that the levers of power are not in the hands of incompetent, lying, egomaniacal misfits is more of a concern .........
The Windsors stopped being German some time ago. They are not Nazis. The one who sympathised was kicked out.
Of all the issues to worry about, the monarchy is the least of them.
Making sure that the levers of power are not in the hands of incompetent, lying, egomaniacal misfits is more of a concern .........
That's why we need an elected Head of State/President.
A monarchy hasn't stopped disasters like Suez or Iraq from happening, nor has it stopped incompetent, egomaniacal, charlatan lying politicians getting their mitts on the levers of power.
Looking at Betfair Moore seems to be coming in as favourite during the day; and also looking at the CNN coverage, they appear to be talking down Jones's prospects with some exit poll analysis...What would a Republican candidate need to do to lose a blue state?
Meanwhile US politics and it's role in the world is diminishing by the second.
I drove across Alabama on a family holiday in the late Seventies. It is not a very appealing place. I remember Mobile stinking of sewage. When Lynyrd Skynyrd sing of Sweet Home Alabama, it shows some poetic licence, as does "Almost Heaven, West Virginia"!
Mind you that was when the Democrat George Wallace still dominated the state.
You should give it another chance. The USS Alabama battleship museum (near Mobile, unsurprisingly!) includes not only a battleship, but also two submarines, a hangar of aircraft, some tanks, and a B-52 parked outside.
Selma has definitely seen better days. They were a long, long time ago.
We went round it. Indeed that was why we went to Mobile.
Alabama was also the place of the mindbogglingly unethical Tuskegee Syphilis study. Wierd stuff happens there.
The Tories in the last century have effectively forced a Monarch to abdicate, just saying.
To be replaced by another monarch, his brother and because he wanted to marry a divorcee when that was more of an issue for the more socially conservative of the main parties (not forgetting he was of course pro Nazi)
Another reason to abolish the monarchy.
Their German heritage shows their Nazi sympathises.
Take Back Control from Unelected Foreign Heads of State.
Oh come on, that's not even funny as a troll! How many generations being citizens born here does it take to not be 'foreign'?
The Windsors stopped being German some time ago. They are not Nazis. The one who sympathised was kicked out.
Of all the issues to worry about, the monarchy is the least of them.
Making sure that the levers of power are not in the hands of incompetent, lying, egomaniacal misfits is more of a concern .........
That's why we need an elected Head of State/President.
A monarchy hasn't stopped disasters like Suez or Iraq from happening, nor has it stopped incompetent, egomaniacal, charlatan lying politicians getting their mitts on the levers of power.
The Tories in the last century have effectively forced a Monarch to abdicate, just saying.
To be replaced by another monarch, his brother and because he wanted to marry a divorcee when that was more of an issue for the more socially conservative of the main parties (not forgetting he was of course pro Nazi)
Another reason to abolish the monarchy.
Their German heritage shows their Nazi sympathises.
Take Back Control from Unelected Foreign Heads of State.
Oh come on, that's not even funny as a troll! How many generations being citizens born here does it take to not be 'foreign'?
The Windsors stopped being German some time ago. They are not Nazis. The one who sympathised was kicked out.
Of all the issues to worry about, the monarchy is the least of them.
Making sure that the levers of power are not in the hands of incompetent, lying, egomaniacal misfits is more of a concern .........
That's why we need an elected Head of State/President.
A monarchy hasn't stopped disasters like Suez or Iraq from happening, nor has it stopped incompetent, egomaniacal, charlatan lying politicians getting their mitts on the levers of power.
Have you ever heard of the word superfluous?
I was merely using Ms Cyclefree's words and phrases.
The Tories in the last century have effectively forced a Monarch to abdicate, just saying.
To be replaced by another monarch, his brother and because he wanted to marry a divorcee when that was more of an issue for the more socially conservative of the main parties (not forgetting he was of course pro Nazi)
Another reason to abolish the monarchy.
Their German heritage shows their Nazi sympathises.
Take Back Control from Unelected Foreign Heads of State.
Oh come on, that's not even funny as a troll! How many generations being citizens born here does it take to not be 'foreign'?
Remove the Foreign and the point still stands.
Not really, since your first 'point' was about their German heritage and concomitant Nazi sympathies - remove the foreign part and that point does not stand. The separate point about being foreign and unelected followed.
The Tories in the last century have effectively forced a Monarch to abdicate, just saying.
To be replaced by another monarch, his brother and because he wanted to marry a divorcee when that was more of an issue for the more socially conservative of the main parties (not forgetting he was of course pro Nazi)
Another reason to abolish the monarchy.
Their German heritage shows their Nazi sympathises.
Take Back Control from Foreign Heads of State.
His brother King George VI though and his wife the Queen Mother were both pivotal in rallying the British people against the Nazis alongside Churchill
Ah yes, Churchill another non Tory.
Churchill was a monarchist and unionist too despite his period with the Liberals
The Windsors stopped being German some time ago. They are not Nazis. The one who sympathised was kicked out.
Of all the issues to worry about, the monarchy is the least of them.
Making sure that the levers of power are not in the hands of incompetent, lying, egomaniacal misfits is more of a concern .........
That's why we need an elected Head of State/President.
A monarchy hasn't stopped disasters like Suez or Iraq from happening, nor has it stopped incompetent, s getting their mitts on the levers of power.
And, of course, having an incompetent, egomaniacal, charlatan lying politician as Head of State would be so much better...
That's why I'd ban politicians from standing as President of the Commonwealth of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and they could only stand for one term.
The Windsors stopped being German some time ago. They are not Nazis. The one who sympathised was kicked out.
Of all the issues to worry about, the monarchy is the least of them.
Making sure that the levers of power are not in the hands of incompetent, lying, egomaniacal misfits is more of a concern .........
That's why we need an elected Head of State/President.
A monarchy hasn't stopped disasters like Suez or Iraq from happening, nor has it stopped incompetent, s getting their mitts on the levers of power.
And, of course, having an incompetent, egomaniacal, charlatan lying politician as Head of State would be so much better...
That's why I'd ban politicians from standing as President of the Commonwealth of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and they could only stand for one term.
I would be interested to see how you would define 'politician' under those circumstances.
I haven't got time to hang around tonight, but I need to point out that the Alabama election is yet another case where a mode effect may be in play. Consider
Alabama 17: robocall polls vs personal contact polls GE 17: polls with turnout models vs polls with corrected sample frames EUref 16: telephone vs online polls GE15: I forget which, but it was that Matt Singh thing
If this does turn out to be another surprising election - Moore wins convincingly or the Dem squeaks thru - then it's another twig on the evidence pile for the proposition that the detection of a mode effect may be the best way forward for betting.
The Windsors stopped being German some time ago. They are not Nazis. The one who sympathised was kicked out.
Of all the issues to worry about, the monarchy is the least of them.
Making sure that the levers of power are not in the hands of incompetent, lying, egomaniacal misfits is more of a concern .........
That's why we need an elected Head of State/President.
A monarchy hasn't stopped disasters like Suez or Iraq from happening, nor has it stopped incompetent, s getting their mitts on the levers of power.
And, of course, having an incompetent, egomaniacal, charlatan lying politician as Head of State would be so much better...
That's why I'd ban politicians from standing as President of the Commonwealth of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and they could only stand for one term.
I would be interested to see how you would define 'politician' under those circumstances.
Anyone who has sought election to Westminster, the devolved Assemblies, MEPs, Lords, Mayors, or councils.
I'm hoping for Brian Blessed as our first elected Head of State.
Just imagine the Head of State's Christmas message at 3pm on Christmas Day.
The Windsors stopped being German some time ago. They are not Nazis. The one who sympathised was kicked out.
Of all the issues to worry about, the monarchy is the least of them.
Making sure that the levers of power are not in the hands of incompetent, lying, egomaniacal misfits is more of a concern .........
That's why we need an elected Head of State/President.
A monarchy hasn't stopped disasters like Suez or Iraq from happening, nor has it stopped incompetent, egomaniacal, charlatan lying politicians getting their mitts on the levers of power.
Not really, since your first 'point' was about their German heritage and concomitant Nazi sympathies - remove the foreign part and that point does not stand. The separate point about being foreign and unelected followed.
I'm gracefully trying to climb back down Mount Wrong, work with me please.
Balls, my workplace cocked up my executive club number and all of my work flights haven't been accruing TPs. Which means I'll be down to silver next year.
You've had a lot of stiff competition for PB Humblebrag 2017 but with this gem you've now got it locked up.
The Windsors stopped being German some time ago. They are not Nazis. The one who sympathised was kicked out.
Of all the issues to worry about, the monarchy is the least of them.
Making sure that the levers of power are not in the hands of incompetent, lying, egomaniacal misfits is more of a concern .........
That's why we need an elected Head of State/President.
A monarchy hasn't stopped disasters like Suez or Iraq from happening, nor has it stopped incompetent, egomaniacal, charlatan lying politicians getting their mitts on the levers of power.
Dude - what happened to you ?
I've always been opposed to the institution of the monarchy.
Like Mrs Thatcher I believe in egalitarianism and that your background should not bar you from any job.
The Tories in the last century have effectively forced a Monarch to abdicate, just saying.
To be replaced by another monarch, his brother and because he wanted to marry a divorcee when that was more of an issue for the more socially conservative of the main parties (not forgetting he was of course pro Nazi)
Another reason to abolish the monarchy.
Their German heritage shows their Nazi sympathises.
Take Back Control from Foreign Heads of State.
His brother King George VI though and his wife the Queen Mother were both pivotal in rallying the British people against the Nazis alongside Churchill
Ah yes, Churchill another non Tory.
Churchill was a monarchist and unionist too despite his period with the Liberals
A pretty broad definition, as both myself and Tim Farron meet your Tory test too, as indeed all Labour leaders have done too.
Not really, since your first 'point' was about their German heritage and concomitant Nazi sympathies - remove the foreign part and that point does not stand. The separate point about being foreign and unelected followed.
I'm gracefully trying to climb back down Mount Wrong, work with me please.
I'll do what I can. Erm, bottom line, taking back control from everyone is what it is all about.
The Windsors stopped being German some time ago. They are not Nazis. The one who sympathised was kicked out.
Of all the issues to worry about, the monarchy is the least of them.
Making sure that the levers of power are not in the hands of incompetent, lying, egomaniacal misfits is more of a concern .........
That's why we need an elected Head of State/President.
A monarchy hasn't stopped disasters like Suez or Iraq from happening, nor has it stopped incompetent, egomaniacal, charlatan lying politicians getting their mitts on the levers of power.
Dude - what happened to you ?
I've always been opposed to the institution of the monarchy.
Like Mrs Thatcher I believe in egalitarianism and that your background should not bar you from any job.
The Windsors stopped being German some time ago. They are not Nazis. The one who sympathised was kicked out.
Of all the issues to worry about, the monarchy is the least of them.
Making sure that the levers of power are not in the hands of incompetent, lying, egomaniacal misfits is more of a concern .........
That's why we need an elected Head of State/President.
A monarchy hasn't stopped disasters like Suez or Iraq from happening, nor has it stopped incompetent, egomaniacal, charlatan lying politicians getting their mitts on the levers of power.
Dude - what happened to you ?
I've always been opposed to the institution of the monarchy.
Like Mrs Thatcher I believe in egalitarianism and that your background should not bar you from any job.
The Windsors stopped being German some time ago. They are not Nazis. The one who sympathised was kicked out.
Of all the issues to worry about, the monarchy is the least of them.
Making sure that the levers of power are not in the hands of incompetent, lying, egomaniacal misfits is more of a concern .........
That's why we need an elected Head of State/President.
A monarchy hasn't stopped disasters like Suez or Iraq from happening, nor has it stopped incompetent, egomaniacal, charlatan lying politicians getting their mitts on the levers of power.
Dude - what happened to you ?
I've always been opposed to the institution of the monarchy.
Like Mrs Thatcher I believe in egalitarianism and that your background should not bar you from any job.
TSE loves democracy, and the republic(an form of government)
The ones I'd be most concerned about are the ones who believe the allegations but will still vote for him. I can understand simply disbelieving them, or justifying voting for him on the basis of it not being proven.
The Tories in the last century have effectively forced a Monarch to abdicate, just saying.
Loyalty to the institution of monarchy is not the same as loyalty to a specific monarch or his line. If nothing else, the usurption of James by William proves that.
The Windsors stopped being German some time ago. They are not Nazis. The one who sympathised was kicked out.
Of all the issues to worry about, the monarchy is the least of them.
Making sure that the levers of power are not in the hands of incompetent, lying, egomaniacal misfits is more of a concern .........
That's why we need an elected Head of State/President.
A monarchy hasn't stopped disasters like Suez or Iraq from happening, nor has it stopped incompetent, egomaniacal, charlatan lying politicians getting their mitts on the levers of power.
Dude - what happened to you ?
I've always been opposed to the institution of the monarchy.
Like Mrs Thatcher I believe in egalitarianism and that your background should not bar you from any job.
The monarchy isn’t a “job”. Britain would be a very different and worse place without it.
The Windsors stopped being German some time ago. They are not Nazis. The one who sympathised was kicked out.
Of all the issues to worry about, the monarchy is the least of them.
Making sure that the levers of power are not in the hands of incompetent, lying, egomaniacal misfits is more of a concern .........
That's why we need an elected Head of State/President.
A monarchy hasn't stopped disasters like Suez or Iraq from happening, nor has it stopped incompetent, egomaniacal, charlatan lying politicians getting their mitts on the levers of power.
Dude - what happened to you ?
I've always been opposed to the institution of the monarchy.
Like Mrs Thatcher I believe in egalitarianism and that your background should not bar you from any job.
The Tories in the last century have effectively forced a Monarch to abdicate, just saying.
To be replaced by another monarch, his brother and because he wanted to marry a divorcee when that was more of an issue for the more socially conservative of the main parties (not forgetting he was of course pro Nazi)
Another reason to abolish the monarchy.
Their German heritage shows their Nazi sympathises.
Take Back Control from Foreign Heads of State.
His brother King George VI though and his wife the Queen Mother were both pivotal in rallying the British people against the Nazis alongside Churchill
Ah yes, Churchill another non Tory.
Churchill was a monarchist and unionist too despite his period with the Liberals
A pretty broad definition, as both myself and Tim Farron meet your Tory test too, as indeed all Labour leaders have done too.
Corbyn does not but centre left economics is more important for Labour, social liberalism and civil liberties for the LDs, hence Farron had to resign
The Windsors stopped being German some time ago. They are not Nazis. The one who sympathised was kicked out.
Of all the issues to worry about, the monarchy is the least of them.
Making sure that the levers of power are not in the hands of incompetent, lying, egomaniacal misfits is more of a concern .........
That's why we need an elected Head of State/President.
A monarchy hasn't stopped disasters like Suez or Iraq from happening, nor has it stopped incompetent, s getting their mitts on the levers of power.
And, of course, having an incompetent, egomaniacal, charlatan lying politician as Head of State would be so much better...
That's why I'd ban politicians from standing as President of the Commonwealth of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and they could only stand for one term.
I would be interested to see how you would define 'politician' under those circumstances.
Anyone who has sought election to Westminster, the devolved Assemblies, MEPs, Lords, Mayors, or councils.
I'm hoping for Brian Blessed as our first elected Head of State.
Just imagine the Head of State's Christmas message at 3pm on Christmas Day.
I don't think that is broad enough - I would extend it to anyone who has held or sought office in a political party or any organisation that has actively supported a political party. That way, you would weed out party and union hacks. It probably also extend to those who have been active with certain charities (which now often act as political lobbyists)
My point is that there are many who are not covered by your definition but who are still very active in the political arena and should also be viewed as political (even if they are not always party political)
The ones I'd be most concerned about are the ones who believe the allegations but will still vote for him. I can understand simply disbelieving them, or justifying voting for him on the basis of it not being proven.
The Windsors stopped being German some time ago. They are not Nazis. The one who sympathised was kicked out.
Of all the issues to worry about, the monarchy is the least of them.
Making sure that the levers of power are not in the hands of incompetent, lying, egomaniacal misfits is more of a concern .........
That's why we need an elected Head of State/President.
A monarchy hasn't stopped disasters like Suez or Iraq from happening, nor has it stopped incompetent, egomaniacal, charlatan lying politicians getting their mitts on the levers of power.
Epic failure of logic there and misunderstanding of how our democracy works.
The ones I'd be most concerned about are the ones who believe the allegations but will still vote for him. I can understand simply disbelieving them, or justifying voting for him on the basis of it not being proven.
Say you had kids in Alabama, where would you rather this guy lived, Alabama or Washington DC?
The exit poll reports so far seem to suggest that Jones is ahead, since the entire sample thinks by 50-40 that the allegations are true, and virtualy all Jones voters and virtually no Moore voters agree.
With polls all over the shop, it's hard to tell if the exit poll is any better. But 3.5 on Jones seems generous so I've dipped a toe in the water. Polls close in 5 minutes...
Axelrod suggesting that it's not enough for Jones, and that Moore has this.
Would that be on CNN, the network that yesterday morning - when other networks were covering the NYC bombing - ignored it and instead decided to focus on the health aspects of Donald Trump drinking a dozen diet cokes a day?
Axelrod suggesting that it's not enough for Jones, and that Moore has this.
Would that be on CNN, the network that yesterday morning - when other networks were covering the NYC bombing - ignored it and instead decided to focus on the health aspects of Donald Trump drinking a dozen diet cokes a day?
Looks sufficiently close that it might be several hours before we know.
Think about that - a close race in a statewide election in Alabama. It's almost unthinkable. If Jones wins he'll be a deer in the headlights come the 2018 election.
Looks sufficiently close that it might be several hours before we know.
Think about that - a close race in a statewide election in Alabama. It's almost unthinkable. If Jones wins he'll be a deer in the headlights come the 2018 election.
He's not up until 2020, I think. Sessions was elected in 2014.
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The monarchy is not. Find any reference to the monarchy if it is a "core value" it should be there.
Ugh.
Mind you that was when the Democrat George Wallace still dominated the state.
https://twitter.com/SafetyPinDaily/status/940625331324583936
Their German heritage shows their Nazi sympathises.
Take Back Control from Unelected Foreign Heads of State.
Selma has definitely seen better days. They were a long, long time ago.
Of all the issues to worry about, the monarchy is the least of them.
Making sure that the levers of power are not in the hands of incompetent, lying, egomaniacal misfits is more of a concern .........
A monarchy hasn't stopped disasters like Suez or Iraq from happening, nor has it stopped incompetent, egomaniacal, charlatan lying politicians getting their mitts on the levers of power.
https://www.cdc.gov/tuskegee/faq.htm
Alabama 17: robocall polls vs personal contact polls
GE 17: polls with turnout models vs polls with corrected sample frames
EUref 16: telephone vs online polls
GE15: I forget which, but it was that Matt Singh thing
If this does turn out to be another surprising election - Moore wins convincingly or the Dem squeaks thru - then it's another twig on the evidence pile for the proposition that the detection of a mode effect may be the best way forward for betting.
Plus 2-0 on homosexual PMs to Labours one.
I'm hoping for Brian Blessed as our first elected Head of State.
Just imagine the Head of State's Christmas message at 3pm on Christmas Day.
Like Mrs Thatcher I believe in egalitarianism and that your background should not bar you from any job.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP11L9jRW94
I've been confusing gaydars since 1997
60% decided pre November, 39% after.
Just under half believe the Moore allegations, slightly more than 40% don't.
48% approve of Trump and 48% disapprove.
Suggests it could be very close.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/early-alabama-senate-exit-polls/
On that note, good night!
My point is that there are many who are not covered by your definition but who are still very active in the political arena and should also be viewed as political (even if they are not always party political)
Never mind.
I will have to educate you another time.
Off to bed. Night all.
With polls all over the shop, it's hard to tell if the exit poll is any better. But 3.5 on Jones seems generous so I've dipped a toe in the water. Polls close in 5 minutes...
Jones 64%
Moore 36%
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/12/politics/alabama-election-latest/index.html
Looks sufficiently close that it might be several hours before we know.
I'm going to watch the wrestling. It may be fixed, pre-ordained, and scripted, but man is it fun compared to this.
Talledega and Covington.
Both show very large swings to Jones. But probably not enough. A lot depends on the level of turnout in the big urban areas.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c9-tuc5E1ZzTEqecVp0D-cpxu2ab3ug9_XEt6R9vMcw/htmlview?sle=true
Caveat Wasserman's assumptions....
Jones coming in on Betfair - was 3.7 when I put a fiver on half an hour ago, now 3.1.But such a thin market it could be a single guy.