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    Betting alert.

    The White House has pledged to announce details of Donald Trump’s proposed visit to the UK imminently amid speculation that he will travel to London within weeks.

    The US President is considered increasingly likely to be present for the official opening of his country’s new embassy on the banks of the Thames at Nine Elms in February.

    Mr Trump and Theresa May spoke on Tuesday, in their first phone conversation after the Prime Minister criticised the President for re-tweeting videos posted by far-right group Britain First.

    Mr Trump had then hit back at her on Twitter, sparking fears of a diplomatic rift.

    Asked whether the possibility of a visit to the UK had been discussed during the call, White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders said: "That invitation has been extended and accepted. We're working with them to finalise the details, which we expect to announce soon.”

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/donald-trump-uk-visit-announcement-soon-amid-speculation-he-could-arrive-in-london-within-weeks-a3723996.html

    Oh FFS. Cancel all police leave.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    If the law is already part of domestic legislation, that's surely sufficient? It just means we can't change anything during the transition.
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    murali_s said:

    Betting alert.

    The White House has pledged to announce details of Donald Trump’s proposed visit to the UK imminently amid speculation that he will travel to London within weeks.

    The US President is considered increasingly likely to be present for the official opening of his country’s new embassy on the banks of the Thames at Nine Elms in February.

    Mr Trump and Theresa May spoke on Tuesday, in their first phone conversation after the Prime Minister criticised the President for re-tweeting videos posted by far-right group Britain First.

    Mr Trump had then hit back at her on Twitter, sparking fears of a diplomatic rift.

    Asked whether the possibility of a visit to the UK had been discussed during the call, White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders said: "That invitation has been extended and accepted. We're working with them to finalise the details, which we expect to announce soon.”

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/donald-trump-uk-visit-announcement-soon-amid-speculation-he-could-arrive-in-london-within-weeks-a3723996.html

    Going to be fun when the moron arrives in London...
    It'll be fine, I lived in London when George W Bush visited in 2003.
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    edited December 2017
    murali_s said:

    Betting alert.

    The White House has pledged to announce details of Donald Trump’s proposed visit to the UK imminently amid speculation that he will travel to London within weeks.

    The US President is considered increasingly likely to be present for the official opening of his country’s new embassy on the banks of the Thames at Nine Elms in February.

    Mr Trump and Theresa May spoke on Tuesday, in their first phone conversation after the Prime Minister criticised the President for re-tweeting videos posted by far-right group Britain First.

    Mr Trump had then hit back at her on Twitter, sparking fears of a diplomatic rift.

    Asked whether the possibility of a visit to the UK had been discussed during the call, White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders said: "That invitation has been extended and accepted. We're working with them to finalise the details, which we expect to announce soon.”

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/donald-trump-uk-visit-announcement-soon-amid-speculation-he-could-arrive-in-london-within-weeks-a3723996.html

    Going to be fun when the moron arrives in London...
    No more so than any of the other overseas morons that have official visits to London. Like it or not he has some kind of free and democratic mandate to represent the American people, which is more than a lot of official visitors can boast.
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    PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083
    TonyE said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Interesting.

    The European Union says Brexit transition should end no later than 31 December 2020

    Which would make a 2021 general election likely once we are out of the EU and the transition is over

    I guess that is right. It puts huge pressure on the government to deliver a final deal within the transition period, too. It will not want to run the risk that this might be left to Labour.
    For Remainers maybe for Leavers the main thing is to be out before the next general election. Corbyn does not want to have to negotiate the final deal

    For Corbyn, the key is leaving. That happens in March 2019. He'd be very happy to do a final deal once we have left.

    Which leaves Corbyn either annoying middle class Labour Remainers by still leaving the single market and just trying for a FTA or working class Labour Leave voters by keeping free movement and staying permanently in the single market
    Cobyn has had his cake and eaten it for quite some time on the EU. But sooner or later, he's either going to lose remainers to the Lib Dems or Brexiteers back to UKIP or more likely to voting apathy.

    He's on a sticky wicket really, the fact that the media spends so little time discussing this suggests that they still think that they are now the opposition and Corbyn is largely irrelevant.
    It's later rather than sooner, and as a result wouldn't necessarily happen until after he's in power. There's no upside in an opposition having unambiguous positions on a complex controversial matter - you get elected via a coalition of projected contradictory hopes which you then have to gradually disappoint when you have some power.
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    Hey Momentum types, pretty sure this picture of UK's PM at Xmas is not the Absolute Boy, as previously advertised:

    https://twitter.com/Number10gov/status/943446619495813121
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    TonyE said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Interesting.

    The European Union says Brexit transition should end no later than 31 December 2020

    Which would make a 2021 general election likely once we are out of the EU and the transition is over

    I guess that is right. It puts huge pressure on the government to deliver a final deal within the transition period, too. It will not want to run the risk that this might be left to Labour.
    For Remainers maybe for Leavers the main thing is to be out before the next general election. Corbyn does not want to have to negotiate the final deal

    For Corbyn, the key is leaving. That happens in March 2019. He'd be very happy to do a final deal once we have left.

    Which leaves Corbyn either annoying middle class Labour Remainers by still leaving the single market and just trying for a FTA or working class Labour Leave voters by keeping free movement and staying permanently in the single market
    Cobyn has had his cake and eaten it for quite some time on the EU. But sooner or later, he's either going to lose remainers to the Lib Dems or Brexiteers back to UKIP or more likely to voting apathy.

    He's on a sticky wicket really, the fact that the media spends so little time discussing this suggests that they still think that they are now the opposition and Corbyn is largely irrelevant.

    Not sure I agree with this. Labour will oppose whatever it is the Tory's are proposing. They will accept that we have left the EU, the single market and the customs union (which will happen on 1st January 2021, according to the EU27's timetable), and they will say we would not finalise the FTA that the Tories want to finalise, ours will be better; and they'll make some outlandish promises. If the economy is not performing and living standards have not risen, the chances are that will be enough to at least hold Labour where it is now.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,948
    TonyE said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Interesting.

    The European Union says Brexit transition should end no later than 31 December 2020

    Which would make a 2021 general election likely once we are out of the EU and the transition is over

    I guess that is right. It puts huge pressure on the government to deliver a final deal within the transition period, too. It will not want to run the risk that this might be left to Labour.
    For Remainers maybe for Leavers the main thing is to be out before the next general election. Corbyn does not want to have to negotiate the final deal

    For Corbyn, the key is leaving. That happens in March 2019. He'd be very happy to do a final deal once we have left.

    Which leaves Corbyn either annoying middle class Labour Remainers by still leaving the single market and just trying for a FTA or working class Labour Leave voters by keeping free movement and staying permanently in the single market
    Cobyn has had his cake and eaten it for quite some time on the EU. But sooner or later, he's either going to lose remainers to the Lib Dems or Brexiteers back to UKIP or more likely to voting apathy.

    He's on a sticky wicket really, the fact that the media spends so little time discussing this suggests that they still think that they are now the opposition and Corbyn is largely irrelevant.
    Yes and notice Cable this week was moving the LDs back towards committing to a second referendum to try and pick off some Labour diehard Remainers
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    TonyETonyE Posts: 938

    TonyE said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Interesting.

    The European Union says Brexit transition should end no later than 31 December 2020

    Which would make a 2021 general election likely once we are out of the EU and the transition is over

    I guess that is right. It puts huge pressure on the government to deliver a final deal within the transition period, too. It will not want to run the risk that this might be left to Labour.
    For Remainers maybe for Leavers the main thing is to be out before the next general election. Corbyn does not want to have to negotiate the final deal

    For Corbyn, the key is leaving. That happens in March 2019. He'd be very happy to do a final deal once we have left.

    Which leaves Corbyn either annoying middle class Labour Remainers by still leaving the single market and just trying for a FTA or working class Labour Leave voters by keeping free movement and staying permanently in the single market
    Cobyn has had his cake and eaten it for quite some time on the EU. But sooner or later, he's either going to lose remainers to the Lib Dems or Brexiteers back to UKIP or more likely to voting apathy.

    He's on a sticky wicket really, the fact that the media spends so little time discussing this suggests that they still think that they are now the opposition and Corbyn is largely irrelevant.

    Not sure I agree with this. Labour will oppose whatever it is the Tory's are proposing. They will accept that we have left the EU, the single market and the customs union (which will happen on 1st January 2021, according to the EU27's timetable), and they will say we would not finalise the FTA that the Tories want to finalise, ours will be better; and they'll make some outlandish promises. If the economy is not performing and living standards have not risen, the chances are that will be enough to at least hold Labour where it is now.
    He can't do that, he's going to be PM in less than a year.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,948
    edited December 2017
    murali_s said:

    Betting alert.

    The White House has pledged to announce details of Donald Trump’s proposed visit to the UK imminently amid speculation that he will travel to London within weeks.

    The US President is considered increasingly likely to be present for the official opening of his country’s new embassy on the banks of the Thames at Nine Elms in February.

    Mr Trump and Theresa May spoke on Tuesday, in their first phone conversation after the Prime Minister criticised the President for re-tweeting videos posted by far-right group Britain First.

    Mr Trump had then hit back at her on Twitter, sparking fears of a diplomatic rift.

    Asked whether the possibility of a visit to the UK had been discussed during the call, White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders said: "That invitation has been extended and accepted. We're working with them to finalise the details, which we expect to announce soon.”

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/donald-trump-uk-visit-announcement-soon-amid-speculation-he-could-arrive-in-london-within-weeks-a3723996.html

    Going to be fun when the moron arrives in London...
    Paris managed to give him a perfectly good welcome.

    If London is really rude could Trump move the special relationship back to France rather than the UK? After all he seems to get on fine with Macron and May is now distancing herself from him. The UK being the main ally of the US in Europe is not automatic, it was Hollande who was most supportive of Obama and Kerry over possible strikes against Assad, during the Vietnam War it was France that was more supportive of the US than Wilson's UK and of course technically France is America's oldest ally not Britain having aided Washington in the War of Independence against the forces of King George
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    May has done her homework on the NHS at PMQs.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,299
    edited December 2017
    TGOHF said:

    May has done her homework on the NHS at PMQs.

    She's been well briefed by the Health Secretary.

    Clearly a Tory Health Secretary in command of the NHS deserves to be our next PM.
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    How do they define "visit"?

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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    May has done her homework on the NHS at PMQs.

    She's been well briefed by the Health Secretary.

    Clearly a Tory Health Secretary in command of the NHS deserves to be our next PM.
    There are worse candidates out there. Hammond for example.
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    Ouch - Corbyn floored
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,948

    TonyE said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Interesting.

    The European Union says Brexit transition should end no later than 31 December 2020

    Which would make a 2021 general election likely once we are out of the EU and the transition is over

    I guess that is right. It puts huge pressure on the government to deliver a final deal within the transition period, too. It will not want to run the risk that this might be left to Labour.
    For Remainers maybe for Leavers the main thing is to be out before the next general election. Corbyn does not want to have to negotiate the final deal

    For Corbyn, the key is leaving. That happens in March 2019. He'd be very happy to do a final deal once we have left.

    Which leaves Corbyn either annoying middle class Labour Remainers by still leaving the single market and just trying for a FTA or working class Labour Leave voters by keeping free movement and staying permanently in the single market
    Cobyn has had his cake and eaten it for quite some time on the EU. But sooner or later, he's either going to lose remainers to the Lib Dems or Brexiteers back to UKIP or more likely to voting apathy.

    He's on a sticky wicket really, the fact that the media spends so little time discussing this suggests that they still think that they are now the opposition and Corbyn is largely irrelevant.

    Not sure I agree with this. Labour will oppose whatever it is the Tory's are proposing. They will accept that we have left the EU, the single market and the customs union (which will happen on 1st January 2021, according to the EU27's timetable), and they will say we would not finalise the FTA that the Tories want to finalise, ours will be better; and they'll make some outlandish promises. If the economy is not performing and living standards have not risen, the chances are that will be enough to at least hold Labour where it is now.
    Which if Corbyn becomes PM he would have to deliver, probably with only a minority Labour Government
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    TGOHF said:

    May has done her homework on the NHS at PMQs.

    She's been well briefed by the Health Secretary.

    Clearly a Tory Health Secretary in command of the NHS deserves to be our next PM.
    My book definitely says yes to that. It was either you or Alastair that tipped Hunt.

    After he switched to Leave, Hunt has got to be the favourite. He's not tarnished with the Vote Leave campaign, he's not overtly disliked by anyone and he's not been a disaster at the DoH.
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    How do they define "visit"?

    He needs to put his feet anywhere in The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
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    TGOHF said:

    May has done her homework on the NHS at PMQs.

    She's been well briefed by the Health Secretary.

    Clearly a Tory Health Secretary in command of the NHS deserves to be our next PM.
    Certainly would be good for the health of my wallet!!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,948
    MaxPB said:

    TGOHF said:

    May has done her homework on the NHS at PMQs.

    She's been well briefed by the Health Secretary.

    Clearly a Tory Health Secretary in command of the NHS deserves to be our next PM.
    My book definitely says yes to that. It was either you or Alastair that tipped Hunt.

    After he switched to Leave, Hunt has got to be the favourite. He's not tarnished with the Vote Leave campaign, he's not overtly disliked by anyone and he's not been a disaster at the DoH.
    He is disliked by most people who work in the NHS and if neither Leavers nor Remainers now trust him the risk for him as the old saying goes is 'try to please everyone, end up pleasing noone' so Remainers get behind Rudd and Leavers behind Davis, Boris or Mogg leaving Hunt stranded
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,976
    Corbyn is still crap. His shock general election resurgence merely papered over the cracks.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,917
    edited December 2017
    HYUFD said:

    TonyE said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Interesting.

    The European Union says Brexit transition should end no later than 31 December 2020

    Which would make a 2021 general election likely once we are out of the EU and the transition is over

    I guess that is right. It puts huge pressure on the government to deliver a final deal within the transition period, too. It will not want to run the risk that this might be left to Labour.
    For Remainers maybe for Leavers the main thing is to be out before the next general election. Corbyn does not want to have to negotiate the final deal

    For Corbyn, the key is leaving. That happens in March 2019. He'd be very happy to do a final deal once we have left.

    Which leaves Corbyn either annoying middle class Labour Remainers by still leaving the single market and just trying for a FTA or working class Labour Leave voters by keeping free movement and staying permanently in the single market
    Cobyn has had his cake and eaten it for quite some time on the EU. But sooner or later, he's either going to lose remainers to the Lib Dems or Brexiteers back to UKIP or more likely to voting apathy.

    He's on a sticky wicket really, the fact that the media spends so little time discussing this suggests that they still think that they are now the opposition and Corbyn is largely irrelevant.

    Not sure I agree with this. Labour will oppose whatever it is the Tory's are proposing. They will accept that we have left the EU, the single market and the customs union (which will happen on 1st January 2021, according to the EU27's timetable), and they will say we would not finalise the FTA that the Tories want to finalise, ours will be better; and they'll make some outlandish promises. If the economy is not performing and living standards have not risen, the chances are that will be enough to at least hold Labour where it is now.
    Which if Corbyn becomes PM he would have to deliver, probably with only a minority Labour Government

    I doubt he'll ever be PM. But if he is, he will not worry too much about the promises he made to get there. It's not as if he will be there for the long-term.

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    MaxPB said:

    TGOHF said:

    May has done her homework on the NHS at PMQs.

    She's been well briefed by the Health Secretary.

    Clearly a Tory Health Secretary in command of the NHS deserves to be our next PM.
    My book definitely says yes to that. It was either you or Alastair that tipped Hunt.

    After he switched to Leave, Hunt has got to be the favourite. He's not tarnished with the Vote Leave campaign, he's not overtly disliked by anyone and he's not been a disaster at the DoH.
    I don't like to mention it, but I tipped Hunt at 100/1 and 66/1

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/07/04/jeremy-hunt-is-clearly-on-manoeuvres-and-hes-also-1001-to-be-next-tory-leader/

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/11/26/my-1001-tip-for-next-pm-is-setting-his-sights-on-number-10/

    Guaranteed profit today.
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    Mr. Eagles, a Mordaunt-Hunt last two would be in the national* interest.

    *And also the interest of my finances.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793
    Pleased we've got a defined day/moment for the end of "transition" - NYE 2020 - Should make it easier for Brexiteers to accept Theresa's deal in the end.
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    Mr. Eagles, a Mordaunt-Hunt last two would be in the national* interest.

    *And also the interest of my finances.

    It can't be Penny Mordaunt.

    Think of my of betting oneupmanship with Tissue Price.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793

    MaxPB said:

    TGOHF said:

    May has done her homework on the NHS at PMQs.

    She's been well briefed by the Health Secretary.

    Clearly a Tory Health Secretary in command of the NHS deserves to be our next PM.
    My book definitely says yes to that. It was either you or Alastair that tipped Hunt.

    After he switched to Leave, Hunt has got to be the favourite. He's not tarnished with the Vote Leave campaign, he's not overtly disliked by anyone and he's not been a disaster at the DoH.
    I don't like to mention it, but I tipped Hunt at 100/1 and 66/1

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/07/04/jeremy-hunt-is-clearly-on-manoeuvres-and-hes-also-1001-to-be-next-tory-leader/

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/11/26/my-1001-tip-for-next-pm-is-setting-his-sights-on-number-10/

    Guaranteed profit today.
    + Rupert seems to like him for helping him get through the phone hacking scandal without too much damage.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095

    Which means I have to share this.

    Don’t panic, but for 15 years during the Cold War, the code meant to prevent unauthorized launching of the United States’ arsenal of Minuteman nuclear missiles was apparently “00000000.”

    The alarmingly insecure “Permissive Action Link“ (PAL) code first came to light in 2004, after Bruce Blair, a former Minuteman missile launch control officer, disclosed it in a column for the Center for Defense Information.

    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4386784

    Maybe it was meant to be an ironic "Oooooooo!! This'll be fun..."

    Although it did leave the world open to MAD if someone had fainted and landed nose down on the 0 key.
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    anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,578
    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    TGOHF said:

    May has done her homework on the NHS at PMQs.

    She's been well briefed by the Health Secretary.

    Clearly a Tory Health Secretary in command of the NHS deserves to be our next PM.
    My book definitely says yes to that. It was either you or Alastair that tipped Hunt.

    After he switched to Leave, Hunt has got to be the favourite. He's not tarnished with the Vote Leave campaign, he's not overtly disliked by anyone and he's not been a disaster at the DoH.
    He is disliked by most people who work in the NHS and if neither Leavers nor Remainers now trust him the risk for him as the old saying goes is 'try to please everyone, end up pleasing noone' so Remainers get behind Rudd and Leavers behind Davis, Boris or Mogg leaving Hunt stranded
    Certainly the experience of May suggests that the Tories would be unwise to go for a born again leaver. They need someone who genuinely believes in what they are doing.
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    StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    TonyE said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Interesting.

    The European Union says Brexit transition should end no later than 31 December 2020

    Which would make a 2021 general election likely once we are out of the EU and the transition is over

    I guess that is right. It puts huge pressure on the government to deliver a final deal within the transition period, too. It will not want to run the risk that this might be left to Labour.
    For Remainers maybe for Leavers the main thing is to be out before the next general election. Corbyn does not want to have to negotiate the final deal

    For Corbyn, the key is leaving. That happens in March 2019. He'd be very happy to do a final deal once we have left.

    Which leaves Corbyn either annoying middle class Labour Remainers by still leaving the single market and just trying for a FTA or working class Labour Leave voters by keeping free movement and staying permanently in the single market
    Cobyn has had his cake and eaten it for quite some time on the EU. But sooner or later, he's either going to lose remainers to the Lib Dems or Brexiteers back to UKIP or more likely to voting apathy.

    He's on a sticky wicket really, the fact that the media spends so little time discussing this suggests that they still think that they are now the opposition and Corbyn is largely irrelevant.
    I agree that Labour have had their cake and eaten it, by criticising the Tories' Brexit without really offering an alternative.

    But I'm suspicious of this idea that there's a whole load of Labour Remainers who are blissfully unaware of Labour's position on Brexit. Is it supported by polling evidence?

    In fact, do we have any polling information at all about how many Remainers really want government policy to be to somehow try to backtrack Brexit (e.g. via second referendum), as opposed to just saying "I still don't think we voted the right way"? My totally uninformed guess is that it'd actually be really low.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    TGOHF said:

    May has done her homework on the NHS at PMQs.

    She's been well briefed by the Health Secretary.

    Clearly a Tory Health Secretary in command of the NHS deserves to be our next PM.
    My book definitely says yes to that. It was either you or Alastair that tipped Hunt.

    After he switched to Leave, Hunt has got to be the favourite. He's not tarnished with the Vote Leave campaign, he's not overtly disliked by anyone and he's not been a disaster at the DoH.
    He is disliked by most people who work in the NHS and if neither Leavers nor Remainers now trust him the risk for him as the old saying goes is 'try to please everyone, end up pleasing noone' so Remainers get behind Rudd and Leavers behind Davis, Boris or Mogg leaving Hunt stranded
    Certainly the experience of May suggests that the Tories would be unwise to go for a born again leaver. They need someone who genuinely believes in what they are doing.
    I'm not sure that her views on Brexit are the problem.
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    Clive Efford wins PMQs today.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095

    How do they define "visit"?

    He needs to put his feet anywhere in The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
    Does Trump ever take his feet out of his mouth?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    Like the man said, economists use the decimal place to show they have a sense of humour....
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,948

    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    TGOHF said:

    May has done her homework on the NHS at PMQs.

    She's been well briefed by the Health Secretary.

    Clearly a Tory Health Secretary in command of the NHS deserves to be our next PM.
    My book definitely says yes to that. It was either you or Alastair that tipped Hunt.

    After he switched to Leave, Hunt has got to be the favourite. He's not tarnished with the Vote Leave campaign, he's not overtly disliked by anyone and he's not been a disaster at the DoH.
    He is disliked by most people who work in the NHS and if neither Leavers nor Remainers now trust him the risk for him as the old saying goes is 'try to please everyone, end up pleasing noone' so Remainers get behind Rudd and Leavers behind Davis, Boris or Mogg leaving Hunt stranded
    Certainly the experience of May suggests that the Tories would be unwise to go for a born again leaver. They need someone who genuinely believes in what they are doing.
    May is fine to negotiate Brexit and agree a deal or transition afterwards Tories will be looking for someone to sell themselves and post Brexit UK
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    I'm fairly certain David Cameron would endorse Jeremy Hunt in the next Tory leadership contest and that'll help Jez.
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    How do they define "visit"?

    He needs to put his feet anywhere in The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
    Does Trump ever take his feet out of his mouth?
    Only to swap feet.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    I'm fairly certain David Cameron would endorse Jeremy Hunt in the next Tory leadership contest and that'll help Jez.

    Is he tarnished at all for being Health Secretary? I've not been paying too much attention to his approval poll ratings.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,581
    GIN1138 said:

    Pleased we've got a defined day/moment for the end of "transition" - NYE 2020 - Should make it easier for Brexiteers to accept Theresa's deal in the end.

    I presume the end point is midnight CET, not GMT. Just like Tezzie's Brexit-o'clock.
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    RobD said:

    I'm fairly certain David Cameron would endorse Jeremy Hunt in the next Tory leadership contest and that'll help Jez.

    Is he tarnished at all for being Health Secretary? I've not been paying too much attention to his approval poll ratings.
    There's not enough polling on him.

    One of things I thought would happen when Dave left was that the Tories would lose their lead on being the most trusted party on the NHS but that's not happened.

    I think that's down to Jeremy Hunt.
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    On topic, 2020 by far the value bet. Except as Mike says, it's near-enough evens on a three-year payout, which is hardly attractive.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,948
    edited December 2017

    I'm fairly certain David Cameron would endorse Jeremy Hunt in the next Tory leadership contest and that'll help Jez.

    Cameron was actually all set to back Rudd if May had stepped down following the general election along with Major according to newspaper reports. He would almost certainly back Rudd before Hunt in any post May leadership contest if he backed anyone, especially as Hunt has now said in retrospect he was wrong to back Cameron's Remain campaign
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,299
    edited December 2017
    HYUFD said:

    I'm fairly certain David Cameron would endorse Jeremy Hunt in the next Tory leadership contest and that'll help Jez.

    Cameron was actually all set to back Rudd if May had stepped down following the general election along with Major according to newspaper reports. He would almost certainly back Rudd before Hunt in any post May leadership contest if he backed anyone, especially as Hunt has now said in retrospect he was wrong to back Cameron's Remain campaign
    That was then when Hunt wasn't planning on standing, this is now.
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    May looks madly happy.. image
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JohnRentoul: Theresa May struggling to say we’re definitely leaving the EU on 29 March 2019. Unless, in exceptional circs, we aren’t

    @BBCNormanS: Uk Govt wd only delay departure from EU for “shortest possible time” and in “exceptional circumstances” says PM. Not sure that will satisfy Brexiteers #pmqs

    @BethRigby: May confirms govt has accepted the Letwin amendment on #A50 in order to avoid a 2nd defeat on her #Brexitbill.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,116
    Well, have got my ticket and am about to find out if The Last Jedi lives up to the hype.

    Or if it is the equivalent of a pizza with extra pineapple, of course.

    Already it's off to a bad start - it's on screen 2 which doesn't have a gallery I can loll around in.

    However, see you on the other side!
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    F1: keep checking Sporting Index periodically, though I suspect it'll be a while before the spreads are up. Last year, for some weird reason, they didn't have points markets just stupid ranking ones (in which I have no interest). If there are points markets I'll give them a look and maybe dip my toe in at comically low stakes (20p, 50p, something like that).

    In 2016, I made some suggestions with one success and a few minor failures, but did learn a valuable lesson about the risk of an upside surprise for a car like the McLaren if a race has high attrition.
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    Scott_P said:

    @JohnRentoul: Theresa May struggling to say we’re definitely leaving the EU on 29 March 2019. Unless, in exceptional circs, we aren’t

    @BBCNormanS: Uk Govt wd only delay departure from EU for “shortest possible time” and in “exceptional circumstances” says PM. Not sure that will satisfy Brexiteers #pmqs

    @BethRigby: May confirms govt has accepted the Letwin amendment on #A50 in order to avoid a 2nd defeat on her #Brexitbill.

    JRM has had an aneurysm when she said that didn't he?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,948
    edited December 2017

    HYUFD said:

    I'm fairly certain David Cameron would endorse Jeremy Hunt in the next Tory leadership contest and that'll help Jez.

    Cameron was actually all set to back Rudd if May had stepped down following the general election along with Major according to newspaper reports. He would almost certainly back Rudd before Hunt in any post May leadership contest if he backed anyone, especially as Hunt has now said in retrospect he was wrong to back Cameron's Remain campaign
    That was then when Hunt wasn't planning on standing, this is now.
    Cameron would stick with a capable loyalist who is still loyal like Rudd, not a careerist weathervane like Hunt
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I'm fairly certain David Cameron would endorse Jeremy Hunt in the next Tory leadership contest and that'll help Jez.

    Cameron was actually all set to back Rudd if May had stepped down following the general election along with Major according to newspaper reports. He would almost certainly back Rudd before Hunt in any post May leadership contest if he backed anyone, especially as Hunt has now said in retrospect he was wrong to back Cameron's Remain campaign
    That was then when Hunt wasn't planning on standing, this is now.
    Cameron would stick with a capable loyalist who is still loyal like Rudd, not a careerist weathervane like Hunt
    Careerist weathervane? I thought he was simply accepting the will of the people? :p
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    Mr. HYUFD, whilst I've said in the past Hunt is a lightweight, I think weathervane is a bit harsh.

    Anyway, I must be off. Play nicely, children.
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    RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    RobD said:

    If the law is already part of domestic legislation, that's surely sufficient? It just means we can't change anything during the transition.
    It also means that rejoining during the transition period would be straight forward.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,948
    edited December 2017
    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I'm fairly certain David Cameron would endorse Jeremy Hunt in the next Tory leadership contest and that'll help Jez.

    Cameron was actually all set to back Rudd if May had stepped down following the general election along with Major according to newspaper reports. He would almost certainly back Rudd before Hunt in any post May leadership contest if he backed anyone, especially as Hunt has now said in retrospect he was wrong to back Cameron's Remain campaign
    That was then when Hunt wasn't planning on standing, this is now.
    Cameron would stick with a capable loyalist who is still loyal like Rudd, not a careerist weathervane like Hunt
    Careerist weathervane? I thought he was simply accepting the will of the people? :p
    Hunt just knows the next Tory leader will almost certainly be a Leaver and he has to suck up to the Brexiteers to have a chance. In reality though, Davis, Boris, Mogg or even Gove would be the first choice of Leavers before he is.

    Rudd by contrast backed Remain including taking part in some tough TV debates to make the case for Remain which Cameron will remember and be grateful for. She has also not said she was wrong to back Remain even though she accepts the verdict of the voters, unlike Hunt
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited December 2017
    O/T

    "Amazon removes circumcision training kits from sale
    Critics say non-therapeutic circumcision in the UK is unethical and puts infant boys at risk of serious injury"

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/dec/20/amazon-removes-circumcision-training-kits-from-sale
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,948

    Mr. HYUFD, whilst I've said in the past Hunt is a lightweight, I think weathervane is a bit harsh.

    Anyway, I must be off. Play nicely, children.

    I don't think Hunt is a lightweight by contrast but he is certainly a weathervane
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    AndyJS said:

    O/T

    "Amazon removes circumcision training kits from sale
    Critics say non-therapeutic circumcision in the UK is unethical and puts infant boys at risk of serious injury"

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/dec/20/amazon-removes-circumcision-training-kits-from-sale

    The mind boggles.
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    HYUFD said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I'm fairly certain David Cameron would endorse Jeremy Hunt in the next Tory leadership contest and that'll help Jez.

    Cameron was actually all set to back Rudd if May had stepped down following the general election along with Major according to newspaper reports. He would almost certainly back Rudd before Hunt in any post May leadership contest if he backed anyone, especially as Hunt has now said in retrospect he was wrong to back Cameron's Remain campaign
    That was then when Hunt wasn't planning on standing, this is now.
    Cameron would stick with a capable loyalist who is still loyal like Rudd, not a careerist weathervane like Hunt
    Careerist weathervane? I thought he was simply accepting the will of the people? :p
    Hunt just knows the next Tory leader will almost certainly be a Leaver and he has to suck up to the Brexiteers to have a chance. In reality though, Davis, Boris, Mogg or even Gove would be the first choice of Leavers before he is.

    Rudd by contrast backed Remain including taking part in some tough TV debates to make the case for Remain which Cameron will remember and be grateful for. She has also not said she was wrong to back Remain even though she accepts the verdict of the voters, unlike Hunt
    This is why TM will stay for a long time. I along with other Tories would leave the party if a leaver was elected as the head of it and join the Lib Dems. The Tories may lose only 10-20 % of their voter base but it would be enough to sink their chances of beating Labour.

    I have a feeling that the polls which appear stable may be masking a gradual drift away of some of the social conservatives compensated by arrival of ex UKIP supporters. The trouble is the UKIP vote is now squeezed to almost nothing so any further drift will lose votes.

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    Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    ydoethur said:

    Well, have got my ticket and am about to find out if The Last Jedi lives up to the hype.

    Or if it is the equivalent of a pizza with extra pineapple, of course.

    Already it's off to a bad start - it's on screen 2 which doesn't have a gallery I can loll around in.

    However, see you on the other side!

    Having sat through it on Saturday with the offspring I have to say I would rather eat Pizza with extra pineapple while listening to Radiohead but each to his own I suppose.
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    Which means I have to share this.

    Don’t panic, but for 15 years during the Cold War, the code meant to prevent unauthorized launching of the United States’ arsenal of Minuteman nuclear missiles was apparently “00000000.”

    The alarmingly insecure “Permissive Action Link“ (PAL) code first came to light in 2004, after Bruce Blair, a former Minuteman missile launch control officer, disclosed it in a column for the Center for Defense Information.

    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4386784

    If you think that’s scary, don’t even think of reading Command and Control by Eric Schlosser. I am an atheist, but after reading that book I wondered if maybe there is Divine Intervention after all.
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    HYUFD said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I'm fairly certain David Cameron would endorse Jeremy Hunt in the next Tory leadership contest and that'll help Jez.

    Cameron was actually all set to back Rudd if May had stepped down following the general election along with Major according to newspaper reports. He would almost certainly back Rudd before Hunt in any post May leadership contest if he backed anyone, especially as Hunt has now said in retrospect he was wrong to back Cameron's Remain campaign
    That was then when Hunt wasn't planning on standing, this is now.
    Cameron would stick with a capable loyalist who is still loyal like Rudd, not a careerist weathervane like Hunt
    Careerist weathervane? I thought he was simply accepting the will of the people? :p
    Hunt just knows the next Tory leader will almost certainly be a Leaver and he has to suck up to the Brexiteers to have a chance. In reality though, Davis, Boris, Mogg or even Gove would be the first choice of Leavers before he is.

    Rudd by contrast backed Remain including taking part in some tough TV debates to make the case for Remain which Cameron will remember and be grateful for. She has also not said she was wrong to back Remain even though she accepts the verdict of the voters, unlike Hunt
    The Tories would be foolish to choose a Leaver as their next leader. PMs always become unpopular as time goes on, everything they stand for is derided and mocked, and they end up getting blamed for everything. If, say, a loathed Boris was bungling around as PM, that could totally trash the Brexit brand. Then everyone associated with Brexit becomes trashed, so we have a deadly embrace. Better to keep the Leavers in the background and their mystique intact.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,948

    HYUFD said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I'm fairly certain David Cameron would endorse Jeremy Hunt in the next Tory leadership contest and that'll help Jez.

    Cameron was actually all set to back Rudd if May had stepped down following the general election along with Major according to newspaper reports. He would almost certainly back Rudd before Hunt in any post May leadership contest if he backed anyone, especially as Hunt has now said in retrospect he was wrong to back Cameron's Remain campaign
    That was then when Hunt wasn't planning on standing, this is now.
    Cameron would stick with a capable loyalist who is still loyal like Rudd, not a careerist weathervane like Hunt
    Careerist weathervane? I thought he was simply accepting the will of the people? :p
    Hunt just knows the next Tory leader will almost certainly be a Leaver and he has to suck up to the Brexiteers to have a chance. In reality though, Davis, Boris, Mogg or even Gove would be the first choice of Leavers before he is.

    Rudd by contrast backed Remain including taking part in some tough TV debates to make the case for Remain which Cameron will remember and be grateful for. She has also not said she was wrong to back Remain even though she accepts the verdict of the voters, unlike Hunt
    This is why TM will stay for a long time. I along with other Tories would leave the party if a leaver was elected as the head of it and join the Lib Dems. The Tories may lose only 10-20 % of their voter base but it would be enough to sink their chances of beating Labour.

    I have a feeling that the polls which appear stable may be masking a gradual drift away of some of the social conservatives compensated by arrival of ex UKIP supporters. The trouble is the UKIP vote is now squeezed to almost nothing so any further drift will lose votes.

    Why would they lose 10 to 20% of their voting base led by a Leaver? Almost all diehard Remainers in the Tories who put that above all else will already have gone to Labour or the LDs in June. I agree May will likely stay until the end of the transition period.

    The UKIP vote was up to 6% in one poll this week as some 2015 UKIP voters who voted Tory in June return to the purples over the compromises made to get through Phase 1 of the EU talks
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    RobD said:

    If the law is already part of domestic legislation, that's surely sufficient? It just means we can't change anything during the transition.
    It also means that rejoining during the transition period would be straight forward.
    From a purely legal standpoint, perhaps.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,948
    edited December 2017

    HYUFD said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I'm fairly certain David Cameron would endorse Jeremy Hunt in the next Tory leadership contest and that'll help Jez.

    Cameron was actually all set to back Rudd if May had stepped down following the general election along with Major according to newspaper reports. He would almost certainly back Rudd before Hunt in any post May leadership contest if he backed anyone, especially as Hunt has now said in retrospect he was wrong to back Cameron's Remain campaign
    That was then when Hunt wasn't planning on standing, this is now.
    Cameron would stick with a capable loyalist who is still loyal like Rudd, not a careerist weathervane like Hunt
    Careerist weathervane? I thought he was simply accepting the will of the people? :p
    Hunt just knows the next Tory leader will almost certainly be a Leaver and he has to suck up to the Brexiteers to have a chance. In reality though, Davis, Boris, Mogg or even Gove would be the first choice of Leavers before he is.

    Rudd by contrast backed Remain including taking part in some tough TV debates to make the case for Remain which Cameron will remember and be grateful for. She has also not said she was wrong to back Remain even though she accepts the verdict of the voters, unlike Hunt
    The Tories would be foolish to choose a Leaver as their next leader. PMs always become unpopular as time goes on, everything they stand for is derided and mocked, and they end up getting blamed for everything. If, say, a loathed Boris was bungling around as PM, that could totally trash the Brexit brand. Then everyone associated with Brexit becomes trashed, so we have a deadly embrace. Better to keep the Leavers in the background and their mystique intact.
    Most Tory voters and members are now Leavers. What you actually mean is 'from the perspective of a Remainer the Tories would be foolish to pick a Leaver'. However that is much the same as Tories telling Labour members in 2015 'you would be foolish to pick a leftwinger like Corbyn'

    Most 2016 Remainers will not vote Tory at the next general election regardless of who leads them and most 2015 Tories would not have voted Labour in 2017 regardless of who led them.
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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I'm fairly certain David Cameron would endorse Jeremy Hunt in the next Tory leadership contest and that'll help Jez.

    Cameron was actually all set to back Rudd if May had stepped down following the general election along with Major according to newspaper reports. He would almost certainly back Rudd before Hunt in any post May leadership contest if he backed anyone, especially as Hunt has now said in retrospect he was wrong to back Cameron's Remain campaign
    That was then when Hunt wasn't planning on standing, this is now.
    Cameron would stick with a capable loyalist who is still loyal like Rudd, not a careerist weathervane like Hunt
    Careerist weathervane? I thought he was simply accepting the will of the people? :p
    Hunt just knows the next Tory leader will almost certainly be a Leaver and he has to suck up to the Brexiteers to have a chance. In reality though, Davis, Boris, Mogg or even Gove would be the first choice of Leavers before he is.

    Rudd by contrast backed Remain including taking part in some tough TV debates to make the case for Remain which Cameron will remember and be grateful for. She has also not said she was wrong to back Remain even though she accepts the verdict of the voters, unlike Hunt
    The Tories would be foolish to choose a Leaver as their next leader. PMs always become unpopular as time goes on, everything they stand for is derided and mocked, and they end up getting blamed for everything. If, say, a loathed Boris was bungling around as PM, that could totally trash the Brexit brand. Then everyone associated with Brexit becomes trashed, so we have a deadly embrace. Better to keep the Leavers in the background and their mystique intact.
    Most Tories voters and members are now Leavers. What you actually mean is 'from the perspective of a Remainer the Tories would be foolish to pick a Leaver?' However that is much the same as Tories telling Labour members in 2015 'you would be foolish to pick a leftwinger like Corbyn'

    Not at all - I genuinely have the Leavers' best interest at heart. Brexit could tun poisonous if we have an unpopular PM who is personally associated with it. Think of John Major and the Cones Hotline.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited December 2017
    Merry Xmas - can all remainers including A. Meeks please prostrate themselves on the ground, flog themselves and apologise for this on behalf of the cult of remainerdom please ?

    https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/943468793208102912
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    anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,578



    I agree that Labour have had their cake and eaten it, by criticising the Tories' Brexit without really offering an alternative.

    But I'm suspicious of this idea that there's a whole load of Labour Remainers who are blissfully unaware of Labour's position on Brexit. Is it supported by polling evidence?

    In fact, do we have any polling information at all about how many Remainers really want government policy to be to somehow try to backtrack Brexit (e.g. via second referendum), as opposed to just saying "I still don't think we voted the right way"? My totally uninformed guess is that it'd actually be really low.

    A large number of Labour supporters do not see Brexit as the defining issue that many of us here (and almost all active Tories) do. That is why many leavers continue to vote Labour and in recent local by-elections Labour seems to have picked up former UKIP voters. All Labour has to do is to be in favour of a slightly softer Brexit than the Tories - it will be able to continue to hold this position until the final deal emerges. At that point I would expect it to oppose the deal as not good enough. It's possible that this position could elide into support for a second referendum - that would be a way of avoiding blame for rejecting a deal and precipitating a cliff edge exit.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    TGOHF said:

    Merry Xmas - can all remainers including A. Meeks please prostrate themselves on the ground, flog themselves and apologise for this on behalf of the cult of remainerdom please ?

    twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/943468793208102912

    They really want Olney back? lol
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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I'm fairly certain David Cameron would endorse Jeremy Hunt in the next Tory leadership contest and that'll help Jez.

    Cameron was actually all set to back Rudd if May had stepped down following the general election along with Major according to newspaper reports. He would almost certainly back Rudd before Hunt in any post May leadership contest if he backed anyone, especially as Hunt has now said in retrospect he was wrong to back Cameron's Remain campaign
    That was then when Hunt wasn't planning on standing, this is now.
    Cameron would stick with a capable loyalist who is still loyal like Rudd, not a careerist weathervane like Hunt
    Careerist weathervane? I thought he was simply accepting the will of the people? :p
    Hunt just knows the next Tory leader will almost certainly be a Leaver and he has to suck up to the Brexiteers to have a chance. In reality though, Davis, Boris, Mogg or even Gove would be the first choice of Leavers before he is.

    Rudd by contrast backed Remain including taking part in some tough TV debates to make the case for Remain which Cameron will remember and be grateful for. She has also not said she was wrong to back Remain even though she accepts the verdict of the voters, unlike Hunt
    The Tories would be foolish to choose a Leaver as their next leader. PMs always become unpopular as time goes on, everything they stand for is derided and mocked, and they end up getting blamed for everything. If, say, a loathed Boris was bungling around as PM, that could totally trash the Brexit brand. Then everyone associated with Brexit becomes trashed, so we have a deadly embrace. Better to keep the Leavers in the background and their mystique intact.
    Most Tory voters and members are now Leavers. What you actually mean is 'from the perspective of a Remainer the Tories would be foolish to pick a Leaver'. However that is much the same as Tories telling Labour members in 2015 'you would be foolish to pick a leftwinger like Corbyn'

    Most 2016 Remainers will not vote Tory at the next general election regardless of who leads them and most 2015 Tories would not have voted Labour in 2017 regardless of who led them.
    People are unlikely to be much swayed either way in 2022 on how someone voted in 2016. The shape of Brexit will be known by then and while it'll be far from over as an issue, the political debate will have moved on. The question the Tories need to answer is who can best lead it into that new world, not who can most effectively refight the EURef.
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    Theresa May, wearing blue, leaves PMQ's to cheers of 'more' from her backbenchers.

    She's one tough cookie this lady. Write her off at your peril. I continue to think she will not only lead the country through Brexit but will lead the Conservatives to a win at the next General Election.

    I remember just how low Margaret Thatcher sank before the Falklands War. The rest is history.
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    Tut, 'Leavers' and 'Remainers' is so 2016. We're 'Aligners' or 'Divergers' now.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549
    RobD said:

    TGOHF said:

    Merry Xmas - can all remainers including A. Meeks please prostrate themselves on the ground, flog themselves and apologise for this on behalf of the cult of remainerdom please ?

    twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/943468793208102912

    They really want Olney back? lol
    Green felt pen, so definitely nutters.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Tut, 'Leavers' and 'Remainers' is so 2016. We're 'Aligners' or 'Divergers' now.

    "Progressives" want to build on Brexit, "Retreaters" want to return to serfdom.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,226
    edited December 2017

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Cameronn
    That was then when Hunt wasn't planning on standing, this is now.
    Cameron would stick with a capable loyalist who is still loyal like Rudd, not a careerist weathervane like Hunt
    Careerist weathervane? I? :p
    Hunt just knows the next Tory leader will almost certainly be a Leaver and he has to suck up to the Brexiteers to have a chance. In reality though, Davis, Boris, Mogg or even Gove would be the first choice of Leavers before he is.

    Rudd by contrast backed Remain including taking part in some tough TV debates to make the case for Remain which Cameron will remember and be grateful for. She has also not said she was wrong to back Remain even though she accepts the verdict of the voters, unlike Hunt
    The Tories would be foolish to choose a Leaver as their next leader. PMs always become unpopular as time goes on, everything they stand for is derided and mocked, and they end up getting blamed for everything. If, say, a loathed Boris was bungling around as PM, that could totally trash the Brexit brand. Then everyone associated with Brexit becomes trashed, so we have a deadly embrace. Better to keep the Leavers in the background and their mystique intact.
    Most Tory voters and members are now Leavers. What you actually mean is 'from the perspective of a Remainer the Tories would be foolish to pick a Leaver'. However that is much the same as Tories telling Labour members in 2015 'you would be foolish to pick a leftwinger like Corbyn'

    Most 2016 Remainers will not vote Tory at the next general election regardless of who leads them and most 2015 Tories would not have voted Labour in 2017 regardless of who led them.
    People are unlikely to be much swayed either way in 2022 on how someone voted in 2016. The shape of Brexit will be known by then and while it'll be far from over as an issue, the political debate will have moved on. The question the Tories need to answer is who can best lead it into that new world, not who can most effectively refight the EURef.
    The Tories do nevertheless need to attract former Labour leavers faster than they repel former Tory remainers. In terms of the rest of their policy agenda they are a long way from getting to grips with the implications of this.

    Edit/ this is also, of course, why they simply cannot afford a leadership contest that lays all this bare, and also why, as others have said, Mrs M is likely to be with us for a fair while yet.
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    TGOHF said:

    Merry Xmas - can all remainers including A. Meeks please prostrate themselves on the ground, flog themselves and apologise for this on behalf of the cult of remainerdom please ?

    https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/943468793208102912

    That's pretty unpleasant.

    I'd prostrate myself but it would be murder on my varicose veins. I have no need to flagellate myself because the madder Leavers queue up to take aim with the cat whenever I'm on the site.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    Theresa May, wearing blue, leaves PMQ's to cheers of 'more' from her backbenchers.

    She's one tough cookie this lady. Write her off at your peril. I continue to think she will not only lead the country through Brexit but will lead the Conservatives to a win at the next General Election.

    I remember just how low Margaret Thatcher sank before the Falklands War. The rest is history.

    Could happen, but it seems unlikely.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    Merry Xmas - can all remainers including A. Meeks please prostrate themselves on the ground, flog themselves and apologise for this on behalf of the cult of remainerdom please ?

    https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/943468793208102912

    That's pretty unpleasant.

    I'd prostrate myself but it would be murder on my varicose veins. I have no need to flagellate myself because the madder Leavers queue up to take aim with the cat whenever I'm on the site.
    Joking apart I certainly don't blame you for this Alistair - every viewpoint has it's Abbotts, Corbyns and Cleggs.

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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,226

    Theresa May, wearing blue, leaves PMQ's to cheers of 'more' from her backbenchers.

    She's one tough cookie this lady. Write her off at your peril. I continue to think she will not only lead the country through Brexit but will lead the Conservatives to a win at the next General Election.

    I remember just how low Margaret Thatcher sank before the Falklands War. The rest is history.

    They won't trust her with another GE - for they know already that there is no poll lead that they could afford to treat as safe, with her at the helm.
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    IanB2 said:

    Theresa May, wearing blue, leaves PMQ's to cheers of 'more' from her backbenchers.

    She's one tough cookie this lady. Write her off at your peril. I continue to think she will not only lead the country through Brexit but will lead the Conservatives to a win at the next General Election.

    I remember just how low Margaret Thatcher sank before the Falklands War. The rest is history.

    They won't trust her with another GE - for they know already that there is no poll lead that they could afford to treat as safe, with her at the helm.
    Untrue. She will learn from what happened. After she has steered us through Brexit the current neck-and-neck will turn to 10% Cons lead + and we will all know what we get: a safe pair of hands through turbulent times.

    She's a fighter an demonstrating that she has great ability to hold together a party that might otherwise finish the job of tearing itself apart.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    glw said:

    RobD said:

    TGOHF said:

    Merry Xmas - can all remainers including A. Meeks please prostrate themselves on the ground, flog themselves and apologise for this on behalf of the cult of remainerdom please ?

    twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/943468793208102912

    They really want Olney back? lol
    Green felt pen, so definitely nutters.
    Stop the presses! More than 45 people in Richmond Park are unhappy about Brexit!
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    So Theresa appears to be on the up. Boris must be in despair. How long before his writes another article or gives another speech trying to undermine totally her position on Brexit? I'll give it 48 hours.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,924

    TGOHF said:

    Merry Xmas - can all remainers including A. Meeks please prostrate themselves on the ground, flog themselves and apologise for this on behalf of the cult of remainerdom please ?

    https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/943468793208102912

    That's pretty unpleasant.

    I'd prostrate myself but it would be murder on my varicose veins. I have no need to flagellate myself because the madder Leavers queue up to take aim with the cat whenever I'm on the site.
    Why on earth do people feel motivated to do this? There was a loon the other day who sent a death threat to Soubry (IIRC) and put his name, address and email on it.
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    Ouch - Corbyn floored

    Don’t worry the maomentum video editors will have carefully edited clips on Facebook and Twitter shortly where the only KOing going on will be of May.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,948
    edited December 2017

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I'm fairly certain David Cameron would endorse Jeremy Hunt in the next Tory leadership contest and that'll help Jez.

    Cameron was actually all set to back Rudd if May had stepped down following the general election along with Major according to newspaper reports. He would almost certainly back Rudd before Hunt in any post May leadership contest if he backed anyone, especially as Hunt has now said in retrospect he was wrong to back Cameron's Remain campaign
    That was then when Hunt wasn't planning on standing, this is now.
    Cameron would stick with a capable loyalist who is still loyal like Rudd, not a careerist weathervane like Hunt
    Careerist weathervane? I thought he was simply accepting the will of the people? :p
    Hunt just knows the next Tory leader will almost certainly be a Leaver and he has to suck up to the Brexiteers to have a chance. In reality though, Davis, Boris, Mogg or even Gove would be the first choice of Leavers before he is.

    Rudd by contrast backed Remain including taking part in some tough TV debates to make the case for Remain which Cameron will remember and be grateful for. She has also not said she was wrong to back Remain even though she accepts the verdict of the voters, unlike Hunt
    The Tories would be foolish to choose a Leaver as their next leader. PMs always become unpopular as time goes on, everything they stand for is derided and mocked, and they end up getting blamed for everything. If, say, a loathed Boris was bungling around as PM, that could totally trash the Brexit brand. Then everyone associated with Brexit becomes trashed, so we have a deadly embrace. Better to keep the Leavers in the background and their mystique intact.
    Most Tories voters and members are now Leavers. What you actually mean is 'from the perspective of a Remainer the Tories would be foolish to pick a Leaver?' However that is much the same as Tories telling Labour members in 2015 'you would be foolish to pick a leftwinger like Corbyn'

    Not at all - I genuinely have the Leavers' best interest at heart. Brexit could tun poisonous if we have an unpopular PM who is personally associated with it. Think of John Major and the Cones Hotline.
    Since when did 17 million people vote for the Cones Hotline?
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    TGOHF said:

    Merry Xmas - can all remainers including A. Meeks please prostrate themselves on the ground, flog themselves and apologise for this on behalf of the cult of remainerdom please ?

    https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/943468793208102912

    I blame the Daily Mail new European....
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,029

    So Theresa appears to be on the up. Boris must be in despair. How long before his writes another article or gives another speech trying to undermine totally her position on Brexit? I'll give it 48 hours.

    Another 'intervention' was being trailed last weekend, but no sign of it yet.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    So Theresa appears to be on the up. Boris must be in despair. How long before his writes another article or gives another speech trying to undermine totally her position on Brexit? I'll give it 48 hours.

    Another 'intervention' was being trailed last weekend, but no sign of it yet.
    I thought it was for sometime in the new year?
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    IanB2 said:

    Theresa May, wearing blue, leaves PMQ's to cheers of 'more' from her backbenchers.

    She's one tough cookie this lady. Write her off at your peril. I continue to think she will not only lead the country through Brexit but will lead the Conservatives to a win at the next General Election.

    I remember just how low Margaret Thatcher sank before the Falklands War. The rest is history.

    They won't trust her with another GE - for they know already that there is no poll lead that they could afford to treat as safe, with her at the helm.
    Untrue. She will learn from what happened. After she has steered us through Brexit the current neck-and-neck will turn to 10% Cons lead + and we will all know what we get: a safe pair of hands through turbulent times.

    She's a fighter an demonstrating that she has great ability to hold together a party that might otherwise finish the job of tearing itself apart.
    She's also a piss-poor campaigner who's still in touch with Nick Timothy and is ultra-defensive. I've had it direct from 2 Con MPs that she won't be allowed to contest another general election as leader. I believe them.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Betting alert.

    The White House has pledged to announce details of Donald Trump’s proposed visit to the UK imminently amid speculation that he will travel to London within weeks.

    The US President is considered increasingly likely to be present for the official opening of his country’s new embassy on the banks of the Thames at Nine Elms in February.

    Mr Trump and Theresa May spoke on Tuesday, in their first phone conversation after the Prime Minister criticised the President for re-tweeting videos posted by far-right group Britain First.

    Mr Trump had then hit back at her on Twitter, sparking fears of a diplomatic rift.

    Asked whether the possibility of a visit to the UK had been discussed during the call, White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders said: "That invitation has been extended and accepted. We're working with them to finalise the details, which we expect to announce soon.”

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/donald-trump-uk-visit-announcement-soon-amid-speculation-he-could-arrive-in-london-within-weeks-a3723996.html

    That's clever.

    It's not a state visit: we are simply extending courtesy to the leader of a friendly power who wants to open their new embassy in person.
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    RobD said:

    So Theresa appears to be on the up. Boris must be in despair. How long before his writes another article or gives another speech trying to undermine totally her position on Brexit? I'll give it 48 hours.

    Another 'intervention' was being trailed last weekend, but no sign of it yet.
    I thought it was for sometime in the new year?
    12 months is quite a wide window?
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    edited December 2017

    TGOHF said:

    Merry Xmas - can all remainers including A. Meeks please prostrate themselves on the ground, flog themselves and apologise for this on behalf of the cult of remainerdom please ?

    https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/943468793208102912

    That's pretty unpleasant.

    I'd prostrate myself but it would be murder on my varicose veins. I have no need to flagellate myself because the madder Leavers queue up to take aim with the cat whenever I'm on the site.
    Do people still get varicose veins? It has been years since I have seen any but am not sure if that is because women now wear trousers or have them whipped out in Jeremy Hunt's 7-day NHS or they have disappeared completely like scarlet fever and whooping cough. Is Foxinsox a vascular surgeon by any chance?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    Scott_P said:
    In other 2017 news, George, everybody has rubbished your "Emergency Budget" wank....
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,917
    edited December 2017
    Charles said:

    Betting alert.

    The White House has pledged to announce details of Donald Trump’s proposed visit to the UK imminently amid speculation that he will travel to London within weeks.

    The US President is considered increasingly likely to be present for the official opening of his country’s new embassy on the banks of the Thames at Nine Elms in February.

    Mr Trump and Theresa May spoke on Tuesday, in their first phone conversation after the Prime Minister criticised the President for re-tweeting videos posted by far-right group Britain First.

    Mr Trump had then hit back at her on Twitter, sparking fears of a diplomatic rift.

    Asked whether the possibility of a visit to the UK had been discussed during the call, White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders said: "That invitation has been extended and accepted. We're working with them to finalise the details, which we expect to announce soon.”

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/donald-trump-uk-visit-announcement-soon-amid-speculation-he-could-arrive-in-london-within-weeks-a3723996.html

    That's clever.

    It's not a state visit: we are simply extending courtesy to the leader of a friendly power who wants to open their new embassy in person.

    It's what should have been offered in the first place given an official visit is what most other US presidents have had the first time they have come to the UK as head of state. Offering Trump a state visit so early in his presidency was unprecedented. And an embarrassing sign of desperation in the wake of Farage's much-publicised relationship with him.

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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,581
    Scott_P said:
    Dear George,

    Why is that picture of relevance to Londoners?

    Oh, and on that side of the Atlantic, they call it Hockey.

    Otherwise, keep up the good work talking down your country.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,583

    IanB2 said:

    Theresa May, wearing blue, leaves PMQ's to cheers of 'more' from her backbenchers.

    She's one tough cookie this lady. Write her off at your peril. I continue to think she will not only lead the country through Brexit but will lead the Conservatives to a win at the next General Election.

    I remember just how low Margaret Thatcher sank before the Falklands War. The rest is history.

    They won't trust her with another GE - for they know already that there is no poll lead that they could afford to treat as safe, with her at the helm.
    Untrue. She will learn from what happened. After she has steered us through Brexit the current neck-and-neck will turn to 10% Cons lead + and we will all know what we get: a safe pair of hands through turbulent times.

    She's a fighter an demonstrating that she has great ability to hold together a party that might otherwise finish the job of tearing itself apart.
    She's also a piss-poor campaigner who's still in touch with Nick Timothy and is ultra-defensive. I've had it direct from 2 Con MPs that she won't be allowed to contest another general election as leader. I believe them.
    But 2 Conservative MPs are not enough to unseat her. I'm with HandyMandy on this one - I think she'll lead the Tories into the next GE... a) because she won't quit, b) for the want of anyone better, and c) because by the time Brexit is clear it will be too near to the next GE to change leader.
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