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  • RoyalBlue said:

    Brom said:



    Your thread headers are always excellent.

    My wife was Bulgarian (she considers herself British first, now) and had a not dissimilar experience in the late 1990s. But, she has yet to meet (and I) EU nationals that feel that way. The ones she does are British people who tell her that's how EU nationals feel.

    She never hears it directly.

    I always make a point of listening to those with very different life experiences to me. Provided they don't do it in a way which annoys me too much, which I admit is perhaps a subjective thing to judge..

    Quite a few of the Spanish, Greek, Austrian and Portuguese that I work with have told me that they feel less at home here post Brexit.

    Surely that was a feature not a bug though? Making the country less welcoming to immigrants was substantially the point of Brexit.
    Of course it was. The EU nationals I know are sick with worry that they are eventually going to be asked to leave and feel that London is surrounded by people who want to see them go.
    Ah if only you had taken more interest in the views of your compatriots this all could have been avoided
    It's quite something to blame me for the unending idiocies that Leavers are subjecting us to.
    In fairness you do come across as someone who rarely steps outside their comfort zone and meets people with different views. I presume you live in London and rarely get out to other parts of the country. It's one thing pointing out the pitfalls of Brexit, but another being dismissive of millions and millions of people.
    You presume wrongly. I should imagine I'm in the top 1% of pbers for travelling around different parts of the country.
    You don’t strike me as a travelling salesman.
    Maybe he's like that Mage in the film version of Warcraft who wonders around the world in his own protective shield bubble.
    Maybe I just meet different people and listen. Surely the whole point of being an Anywhere rather than a Somewhere is that you travel about quite a bit.

    I do find it remarkable how many Leavers on here seem to think that passing gratuitous comment on me somehow advances any discussion. As if I'm the slightest bit important. Still, if they're leaving some other poor bugger alone I suppose it does no harm.
    Don't undersell yourself: we are fascinated by you.

    You should feel flattered by all the attention.
  • Mr. Royale, your vegan Bond suggestion reminds me of this:
    https://twitter.com/YouHadOneJ0B/status/943443363587489794
  • Mr. Royale, your vegan Bond suggestion reminds me of this:
    https://twitter.com/YouHadOneJ0B/status/943443363587489794

    That is absolutely superb.
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223

    Mr. Royale, your vegan Bond suggestion reminds me of this:
    https://twitter.com/YouHadOneJ0B/status/943443363587489794

    So many aspects of Switzerland are admirable. This is one of them.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603

    Mr. Royale, your vegan Bond suggestion reminds me of this:
    https://twitter.com/YouHadOneJ0B/status/943443363587489794

    Yeah, one thing I've learned is to not irritate the locals as they get the final say on whether you get a passport.
  • HHemmelig said:



    Your thread headers are always excellent.

    My wife was Bulgarian (she considers herself British first, now) and had a not dissimilar experience in the late 1990s. But, she has yet to meet (and I) EU nationals that feel that way. The ones she does are British people who tell her that's how EU nationals feel.

    She never hears it directly.

    I always make a point of listening to those with very different life experiences to me. Provided they don't do it in a way which annoys me too much, which I admit is perhaps a subjective thing to judge..

    Quite a few of the Spanish, Greek, Austrian and Portuguese that I work with have told me that they feel less at home here post Brexit.

    Surely that was a feature not a bug though? Making the country less welcoming to immigrants was substantially the point of Brexit.
    Of course it was. The EU nationals I know are sick with worry that they are eventually going to be asked to leave and feel that London is surrounded by people who want to see them go.
    And yet, none of these people exist.

    I work with lots of EU nationals in London. Not one has ever said anything of the sort. This is a fantasy of British Remainers.

    No doubt if you initiate conversation with them about how terrible Brexit is, they might humour you, but no-one has ever volunteered any concerns to me. Not once.

    And, no, they don't know I voted Leave.
    I also know a fair few EU nationals here, mostly London professionals and spouses of friends and neighbours. None of them I've spoken to on the topic seem petrified of being sent home, but practically all of them are upset about Brexit.
    Funny how its always the remainiest of Remainers who find this.

    I work in London, have an EU national wife, EU national friends, work with many EU nationals and most of my social circle voted Remain. All but two, in fact.

    I live and breathe in the same world you guys do.

    None have I found.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    edited December 2017

    I've had another PB crowdfunding idea to reach out to remainers.

    We could fund a field trip to Hartlepool for Meeks, Roger, Glenn n Eagles so they can personally educate the racist morons there. Maybe buy them Team "I Love EU" tshirts (or how about sandwich boards?) for easier identification. I'm sure they'd all relish the opportunity to spread their EU love.

    I spread my EU love last year.

    I campaigned for Remain in South and West Yorkshire.

    I’m not keen on going to Hartlepool, they have really poor judgement up there, for example they repeatedly elected Peter Mandelson as their MP, they also executed a monkey thinking it was a French spy.

    You can’t have a reasoned argument with such people.
    Hartlepool also elected a monkey mascot as mayor.They take their politics seriously up there .Just as much as the PB does over Brexit.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/1965569.stm
  • Dura_Ace said:

    I've had another PB crowdfunding idea to reach out to remainers.

    We could fund a field trip to Hartlepool for Meeks, Roger, Glenn n Eagles so they can personally educate the racist morons there. Maybe buy them Team "I Love EU" tshirts (or how about sandwich boards?) for easier identification. I'm sure they'd all relish the opportunity to spread their EU love.

    I spread my EU love last year.

    I campaigned for Remain in South and West Yorkshire.

    I’m not keen on going to Hartlepool, they have really poor judgement up there, for example they repeatedly elected Peter Mandelson as their MP, they also executed a monkey thinking it was a French spy.

    You can’t have a reasoned argument with such people.
    One of my many mistakes in life was failing to 'pursue a relationship’ wsith a girl from Hartlepool.
    You can tell when a Hartlepool girls comes because she'll drop her chips.
    The lagershed obviously hasn't been explained to you.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    MaxPB said:

    Mr. Royale, your vegan Bond suggestion reminds me of this:
    https://twitter.com/YouHadOneJ0B/status/943443363587489794

    Yeah, one thing I've learned is to not irritate the locals as they get the final say on whether you get a passport.
    They didn't in the end though http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/woman-annoying-swiss-citizenship-passport-switzerland-nancy-holten-gipf-oberfrick-aargau-a7712836.html
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,880
    MaxPB said:

    Mr. Royale, your vegan Bond suggestion reminds me of this:
    https://twitter.com/YouHadOneJ0B/status/943443363587489794

    Yeah, one thing I've learned is to not irritate the locals as they get the final say on whether you get a passport.
    She's gotten Swiss citizenship (and concomitant red passport) since.
  • On topic, the Hunt bandwagon continues to roll:

    https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/944170181483552768
  • There's some humourless and miserable people in this country.

    We're the country of Carry On, saucy postcards, and the double entendre.

    Poundland's 'elf behaving badly' tweets reported to advertising standards

    The Christmas-themed posts were branded "vulgar" and "inappropriate".


    http://www.digitalspy.com/tech/news/a846015/poundland-elf-behaving-badly-complaints-asa/
  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,891

    I've had another PB crowdfunding idea to reach out to remainers.

    We could fund a field trip to Hartlepool for Meeks, Roger, Glenn n Eagles so they can personally educate the racist morons there. Maybe buy them Team "I Love EU" tshirts (or how about sandwich boards?) for easier identification. I'm sure they'd all relish the opportunity to spread their EU love.

    You'd need a hell of a crowd! Two Lawyers and a commercials director on daily rates plus per diems.....
  • Roger said:

    I've had another PB crowdfunding idea to reach out to remainers.

    We could fund a field trip to Hartlepool for Meeks, Roger, Glenn n Eagles so they can personally educate the racist morons there. Maybe buy them Team "I Love EU" tshirts (or how about sandwich boards?) for easier identification. I'm sure they'd all relish the opportunity to spread their EU love.

    You'd need a hell of a crowd! Two Lawyers and a commercials director on daily rates plus per diems.....
    I only travel in Maybachs for work.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    There's some humourless and miserable people in this country.

    We're the country of Carry On, saucy postcards, and the double entendre.

    Poundland's 'elf behaving badly' tweets reported to advertising standards

    The Christmas-themed posts were branded "vulgar" and "inappropriate".


    http://www.digitalspy.com/tech/news/a846015/poundland-elf-behaving-badly-complaints-asa/

    I thought them brilliant. I didn't know Twinings was on the shelves at Poundland.
  • On topic, the Hunt bandwagon continues to roll:

    https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/944170181483552768

    God, I'm unbearably smug today.
  • There's some humourless and miserable people in this country.

    We're the country of Carry On, saucy postcards, and the double entendre.

    Poundland's 'elf behaving badly' tweets reported to advertising standards

    The Christmas-themed posts were branded "vulgar" and "inappropriate".


    http://www.digitalspy.com/tech/news/a846015/poundland-elf-behaving-badly-complaints-asa/

    I thought them brilliant. I didn't know Twinings was on the shelves at Poundland.
    I've never shopped at Poundland, but I might go visit one this afternoon.
  • nielhnielh Posts: 1,307

    HHemmelig said:



    Your thread headers are always excellent.

    My wife was Bulgarian (she considers herself British first, now) and had a not dissimilar experience in the late 1990s. But, she has yet to meet (and I) EU nationals that feel that way. The ones she does are British people who tell her that's how EU nationals feel.

    She never hears it directly.

    I always make a point of listening to those with very different life experiences to me. Provided they don't do it in a way which annoys me too much, which I admit is perhaps a subjective thing to judge..

    Quite a few of the Spanish, Greek, Austrian and Portuguese that I work with have told me that they feel less at home here post Brexit.

    Surely that was a feature not a bug though? Making the country less welcoming to immigrants was substantially the point of Brexit.
    Of course it was. The EU nationals I know are sick with worry that they are eventually going to be asked to leave and feel that London is surrounded by people who want to see them go.
    And yet, none of these people exist.

    I work with lots of EU nationals in London. Not one has ever said anything of the sort. This is a fantasy of British Remainers.

    No doubt if you initiate conversation with them about how terrible Brexit is, they might humour you, but no-one has ever volunteered any concerns to me. Not once.

    And, no, they don't know I voted Leave.
    I also know a fair few EU nationals here, mostly London professionals and spouses of friends and neighbours. None of them I've spoken to on the topic seem petrified of being sent home, but practically all of them are upset about Brexit.
    None that I deal with fear being sent home, but a good number have had second thoughts about staying here. Partly this is Brexit related, but also the deteriorating working conditions here, devaluation of Sterling and resurgence of economies in the EZ has combined to reverse the flow, at least in healthcare.
    I know 2 people from poland who have been here 10 years, ish. Both are justifiably annoyed because they have basically set up their whole lives here, and had no idea that their right to remain here could be thrown into doubt. That said, they dont fear deportation.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Roger said:

    I've had another PB crowdfunding idea to reach out to remainers.

    We could fund a field trip to Hartlepool for Meeks, Roger, Glenn n Eagles so they can personally educate the racist morons there. Maybe buy them Team "I Love EU" tshirts (or how about sandwich boards?) for easier identification. I'm sure they'd all relish the opportunity to spread their EU love.

    You'd need a hell of a crowd! Two Lawyers and a commercials director on daily rates plus per diems.....
    Hospital Specialists don't come cheap either!

    Though my daily encounters with the British Proletariat in the East Midlands does make a trip to the delights of Hartlepool rather superfluous. I hear the avocado dip in the fish and chip shops is worth the trip in itself.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 15,545
    edited December 2017
    Jeremy Hunt is plausible. Plausibility is a good characteristic for a leader. Jeremy Corbyn lacks it.

    I guess the passport colour change symbolises to Brexiteers what they regain and to Remainers what they lose. So it matters at that level. To me it just symbolises the utter mediocrity of Brexit. If you are doing change, do it properly. A modernist take on the Union flag maybe. Or a galloping moose as in the (burgundy colour) Finnish passports:

    https://twitter.com/SoVeryFinnish/status/745323758282485764

    Frontiers irritate me, so I see the British passport as a useful document. A EU passport is at least as good and I really don't care what it says on the front as long as it does the job.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Roger said:

    I've had another PB crowdfunding idea to reach out to remainers.

    We could fund a field trip to Hartlepool for Meeks, Roger, Glenn n Eagles so they can personally educate the racist morons there. Maybe buy them Team "I Love EU" tshirts (or how about sandwich boards?) for easier identification. I'm sure they'd all relish the opportunity to spread their EU love.

    You'd need a hell of a crowd! Two Lawyers and a commercials director on daily rates plus per diems.....
    Oh, what a dear lot you are!
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited December 2017
    Are we all looking forward to getting blue passports?

    Presumably the EU ones will not be valid post Exit?

    Opportunity for government to raise cash at say £50 per renewal.
  • stevefstevef Posts: 1,044

    On topic, the Hunt bandwagon continues to roll:

    https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/944170181483552768

    God, I'm unbearably smug today.
    That picture tells it all. Its the epitome of untrustworthiness.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited December 2017

    On topic, the Hunt bandwagon continues to roll:

    https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/944170181483552768

    God, I'm unbearably smug.
    Fixed it for you.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited December 2017

    On topic, the Hunt bandwagon continues to roll:
    *snip*

    God, I'm unbearably smug today.
    When are you going to cash out?

    [Also: Today??]
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    RoyalBlue said:

    If you were ever in doubt Mrs May is egregiously unfit for high office....

    Theresa May has backed calls for a woman to play James Bond, revealing she was looking forward to watching Jodie Whittaker as the first female Doctor Who on Christmas Day.

    The prime minister said she enjoyed watching the BBC programme and heralded the decision to give the iconic role to Whittaker as “girl power”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/22/leading-lady-theresa-may-calls-for-woman-to-play-james-bond

    I agree - we seem to have a December silly season now - PM opining on female Bonds, furious debates on passport colour. But in fairness remember that interviews are often misreported to give the impression that the interviewee has spontaneously come up with the thought - quite likely the journalist asked her and she (perhaps unwisely) replied.

    A bit like Brexit, really. Lots of people had no strong views either way, but as they were asked, they gave an opinion.
    Thanks again, Dr Palmer, for showing your contempt for public opinion, as you did when you smugly voted through the Lisbon Treaty without a referendum.
    I remember quite clearly on here Dr Palmer ridiculing David Cameron’s cast iron pledge. What are you going to do now Mr Cameron, the treaty has been ratified, you can’t have a referendum on a treaty that’s now in place.
    Yes he mocked, he laughed. I’m not making any of this up. He couldn’t contain himself.

    Well Nick, this is what happened. He had an in out referendum instead and following the result of that we are leaving the European Union.

    Do you still think back at that and chuckle ?
  • stevefstevef Posts: 1,044
    Didnt Jeremy Hunt co write a book in which he appeared to call for the NHS to be replaced by a private insurance system. In an election campaign, this book is bound to "resurface, and would be a gift to Labour.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-hunt-privatise-nhs-tories-privatising-private-insurance-market-replacement-direct-democracy-a6865306.html
  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,891

    Roger said:

    I've had another PB crowdfunding idea to reach out to remainers.

    We could fund a field trip to Hartlepool for Meeks, Roger, Glenn n Eagles so they can personally educate the racist morons there. Maybe buy them Team "I Love EU" tshirts (or how about sandwich boards?) for easier identification. I'm sure they'd all relish the opportunity to spread their EU love.

    You'd need a hell of a crowd! Two Lawyers and a commercials director on daily rates plus per diems.....
    Hospital Specialists don't come cheap either!

    Though my daily encounters with the British Proletariat in the East Midlands does make a trip to the delights of Hartlepool rather superfluous. I hear the avocado dip in the fish and chip shops is worth the trip in itself.
    Can you organise a job lot on lobotomies?
  • Mr. Eagles, if we don't censor wrongthink, people might hear doubleplusungood things.
  • notme said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    If you were ever in doubt Mrs May is egregiously unfit for high office....

    Theresa May has backed calls for a woman to play James Bond, revealing she was looking forward to watching Jodie Whittaker as the first female Doctor Who on Christmas Day.

    The prime minister said she enjoyed watching the BBC programme and heralded the decision to give the iconic role to Whittaker as “girl power”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/22/leading-lady-theresa-may-calls-for-woman-to-play-james-bond

    I agree - we seem to have a December silly season now - PM opining on female Bonds, furious debates on passport colour. But in fairness remember that interviews are often misreported to give the impression that the interviewee has spontaneously come up with the thought - quite likely the journalist asked her and she (perhaps unwisely) replied.

    A bit like Brexit, really. Lots of people had no strong views either way, but as they were asked, they gave an opinion.
    Thanks again, Dr Palmer, for showing your contempt for public opinion, as you did when you smugly voted through the Lisbon Treaty without a referendum.
    I remember quite clearly on here Dr Palmer ridiculing David Cameron’s cast iron pledge. What are you going to do now Mr Cameron, the treaty has been ratified, you can’t have a referendum on a treaty that’s now in place.
    Yes he mocked, he laughed. I’m not making any of this up. He couldn’t contain himself.

    Well Nick, this is what happened. He had an in out referendum instead and following the result of that we are leaving the European Union.

    Do you still think back at that and chuckle ?
    Nick has lots of fans on here because he minds his p's and q's, but i'm afraid i'm not one of them.

    He's certainly intelligent but there's something highly disingenuous about the man, and he uses his politeness and false sincerity as a weapon.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited December 2017

    Are we all looking forward to getting blue passports?

    Presumably the EU ones will not be valid post Exit?

    Opportunity for government to raise cash at say £50 per renewal.

    Apparently the Burgundy ones will stay valid for the full 10 years. Then a blue one to demonstrate the banality of Brexit.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I've had another PB crowdfunding idea to reach out to remainers.

    We could fund a field trip to Hartlepool for Meeks, Roger, Glenn n Eagles so they can personally educate the racist morons there. Maybe buy them Team "I Love EU" tshirts (or how about sandwich boards?) for easier identification. I'm sure they'd all relish the opportunity to spread their EU love.

    You'd need a hell of a crowd! Two Lawyers and a commercials director on daily rates plus per diems.....
    Hospital Specialists don't come cheap either!

    Though my daily encounters with the British Proletariat in the East Midlands does make a trip to the delights of Hartlepool rather superfluous. I hear the avocado dip in the fish and chip shops is worth the trip in itself.
    Can you organise a job lot on lobotomies?
    For us or them?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 15,545
    I am a Remain voter who quite likes Hartlepool. The Maritime Museum is well worth a visit

    image
  • I'm beginning to think a Hunt leadership is nailed on. Only one question remains: does Boris have anything up his sleeve to stop him?
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Nick has lots of fans on here because he minds his p's and q's, but i'm afraid i'm not one of them.

    He's certainly intelligent but there's something highly disingenuous about the man, and he uses his politeness and false sincerity as a weapon.

    I can't think of a single reason that you'd choose to write that that doesn't paint you as a very unpleasant person.

    Just unnecessary.
  • I'm trying to work out what my target price for Jeremy Hunt is before laying off. Does 8 sound about right?

    I won't mention that I backed him for next Prime Minister at 140. That would be gauche.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    FF43 said:

    I am a Remain voter who quite likes Hartlepool. The Maritime Museum is well worth a visit

    image

    That does look rather good! I did have a weekend on the lash in Middlesborough once, but haven't taken in Hartlepool. I expect that Lord Mandleson's old stomping ground must have many attractions.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603

    I'm trying to work out what my target price for Jeremy Hunt is before laying off. Does 8 sound about right?

    I won't mention that I backed him for next Prime Minister at 140. That would be gauche.

    I'm waiting for his price to dip under 5.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,891

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I've had another PB crowdfunding idea to reach out to remainers.

    We could fund a field trip to Hartlepool for Meeks, Roger, Glenn n Eagles so they can personally educate the racist morons there. Maybe buy them Team "I Love EU" tshirts (or how about sandwich boards?) for easier identification. I'm sure they'd all relish the opportunity to spread their EU love.

    You'd need a hell of a crowd! Two Lawyers and a commercials director on daily rates plus per diems.....
    Hospital Specialists don't come cheap either!

    Though my daily encounters with the British Proletariat in the East Midlands does make a trip to the delights of Hartlepool rather superfluous. I hear the avocado dip in the fish and chip shops is worth the trip in itself.
    Can you organise a job lot on lobotomies?
    For us or them?
    They've already started queuing.

    http://metro.co.uk/video/two-women-fight-waiting-paul-nuttall-hartlepool-1455567/
  • stevef said:

    Didnt Jeremy Hunt co write a book in which he appeared to call for the NHS to be replaced by a private insurance system. In an election campaign, this book is bound to "resurface, and would be a gift to Labour.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-hunt-privatise-nhs-tories-privatising-private-insurance-market-replacement-direct-democracy-a6865306.html

    That shouldn't be a problem for someone of Hunt's formidable political skills: just say that he's 'been on a journey' and since seeing the NHS first hand he's recanted and now sees it as the wonder it truly is.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712
    edited December 2017

    I'm beginning to think a Hunt leadership is nailed on. Only one question remains: does Boris have anything up his sleeve to stop him?

    The Tory membership may have something to say about that first, Hunt was 8th in the last ConservativeHome next leader survey behind not just Mogg and Boris but Gove, Davis and Rudd too plus I see no evidence of an avalanche of support from Tory MPs for Hunt either
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    I'm beginning to think a Hunt leadership is nailed on. Only one question remains: does Boris have anything up his sleeve to stop him?

    I would have thought so.He ended Cameron's career in politics.
  • HHemmelig said:



    Your thread headers are always excellent.

    My wife was Bulgarian (she considers herself British first, now) and had a not dissimilar experience in the late 1990s. But, she has yet to meet (and I) EU nationals that feel that way. The ones she does are British people who tell her that's how EU nationals feel.

    She never hears it directly.

    I always make a point of listening to those with very different life experiences to me. Provided they don't do it in a way which annoys me too much, which I admit is perhaps a subjective thing to judge..

    Quite a few of the Spanish, Greek, Austrian and Portuguese that I work with have told me that they feel less at home here post Brexit.

    Surely that was a feature not a bug though? Making the country less welcoming to immigrants was substantially the point of Brexit.
    Of course it was. The EU nationals I know are sick with worry that they are eventually going to be asked to leave and feel that London is surrounded by people who want to see them go.
    And yet, none of these people exist.

    I work with lots of EU nationals in London. Not one has ever said anything of the sort. This is a fantasy of British Remainers.

    No doubt if you initiate conversation with them about how terrible Brexit is, they might humour you, but no-one has ever volunteered any concerns to me. Not once.

    And, no, they don't know I voted Leave.
    I also know a fair few EU nationals here, mostly London professionals and spouses of friends and neighbours. None of them I've spoken to on the topic seem petrified of being sent home, but practically all of them are upset about Brexit.
    Funny how its always the remainiest of Remainers who find this.

    I work in London, have an EU national wife, EU national friends, work with many EU nationals and most of my social circle voted Remain. All but two, in fact.

    I live and breathe in the same world you guys do.

    None have I found.
    I think the answer is obvious, they are being nice to you. To say that most people don't realise you voted leave might be a bit delusional given your insults about the "remainiest of Remainers" (a group I doubt I belong to btw). Fair play to you however as it probably isn't easy being a committed leaver in a London young professional environment at the moment. I never comment on Sunil Prasanan's infantile remarks for the same reason, he must have a very hard time in precarious academia as a vocal youngish Leaver.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    Are we all looking forward to getting blue passports?

    Presumably the EU ones will not be valid post Exit?

    Opportunity for government to raise cash at say £50 per renewal.

    Apparently the Burgundy ones will stay valid for the full 10 years. Then a blue one to demonstrate the banality of Brexit.
    you can't help yourself, can you.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    RobD said:

    I see Bitcoin is having a bit of a rough day... :D

    Look at the google trends graph for bitcoin and look at a bitcoin price chart.

    The Trend is currently going down and so is bitcoin price

    https://trends.google.co.uk/trends/explore?q=bitcoin
  • Anorak said:

    On topic, the Hunt bandwagon continues to roll:
    *snip*

    God, I'm unbearably smug today.
    When are you going to cash out?

    [Also: Today??]
    I've traded out some of my winnings, so I'm green.

    I've never smug, you're confusing my intellectual self confidence for smugness.
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    edited December 2017
    FF43 said:

    Jeremy Hunt is plausible. Plausibility is a good characteristic for a leader. Jeremy Corbyn lacks it.

    I guess the passport colour change symbolises to Brexiteers what they regain and to Remainers what they lose. So it matters at that level. To me it just symbolises the utter mediocrity of Brexit. If you are doing change, do it properly. A modernist take on the Union flag maybe. Or a galloping moose as in the (burgundy colour) Finnish passports:

    https://twitter.com/SoVeryFinnish/status/745323758282485764

    Frontiers irritate me, so I see the British passport as a useful document. A EU passport is at least as good and I really don't care what it says on the front as long as it does the job.

    Post Brexit UK citizens will still have visa free travel for tourism purposes to over 170 nations - the only ones we don't are places you probably wouldn't want to visit anyway.

    You can go to Canada and New Zealand for up to 6 months - and we are the only nation bar Australia with a reciprocal health care agreement with the Kiwis.

    It's not so bad - and there is a big wide world outside the EU. Places which are the future and not the past. Live a little and expand your horizons as you might say,

    As for freedom of movement - there are 65 million Brits but barely a million or two have moved to the EU and many of them are retirees. Few move for permanent work.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789
    edited December 2017
    calum said:
    A bold, eye-catching initiative with which the PM can be personally associated...
  • I'm trying to work out what my target price for Jeremy Hunt is before laying off. Does 8 sound about right?

    I won't mention that I backed him for next Prime Minister at 140. That would be gauche.

    Hideously so.

    Jeremy Hunt 280 £3.98 £1,110.42
    Ref: 105995629578 Matched: 17:56 30-Oct-17
    Jeremy Hunt 300 £0.02 £5.98
    Ref: 104754227688 Matched: 19:21 08-Oct-17
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    I'm trying to work out what my target price for Jeremy Hunt is before laying off. Does 8 sound about right?

    I won't mention that I backed him for next Prime Minister at 140. That would be gauche.

    quelle surprise!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712
    stevef said:

    Didnt Jeremy Hunt co write a book in which he appeared to call for the NHS to be replaced by a private insurance system. In an election campaign, this book is bound to "resurface, and would be a gift to Labour.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-hunt-privatise-nhs-tories-privatising-private-insurance-market-replacement-direct-democracy-a6865306.html

    Yes, Corbyn could use Hunt to rally his base in a big way plus there is no evidence Hunt would rally the Tory base behind him in response
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 15,545
    edited December 2017
    calum said:
    Bears a certain resemblance to this passport:

    image
  • RobD said:

    I see Bitcoin is having a bit of a rough day... :D

    *** petting boast ***

    My cat called the top
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712

    On topic, the Hunt bandwagon continues to roll:

    https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/944170181483552768

    I will be amused if she picks her former campaign manager, Grayling, rather than Hunt who is openly campaigning for the job and knowing May I think she might
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    Anorak said:

    Nick has lots of fans on here because he minds his p's and q's, but i'm afraid i'm not one of them.

    He's certainly intelligent but there's something highly disingenuous about the man, and he uses his politeness and false sincerity as a weapon.

    I can't think of a single reason that you'd choose to write that that doesn't paint you as a very unpleasant person.

    Just unnecessary.
    +1
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    FF43 said:

    calum said:
    Bears a certain resemblance to this passport:

    image
    Ouch.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    HYUFD said:

    I'm beginning to think a Hunt leadership is nailed on. Only one question remains: does Boris have anything up his sleeve to stop him?

    The Tory membership may have something to say about that first, Hunt was 8th in the last ConservativeHome next leader survey behind not just Mogg and Boris but Gove, Davis and Rudd too plus I see no evidence of an avalanche of support from Tory MPs for Hunt either
    won't the vote, if there is one, be more about who you don't want rather than who you do?
  • My passport is due for renewal May 2019 - but I've just seen that the blue ones won't be issued until October. Looks like we'll be holidaying in Bangor that summer.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited December 2017

    I'm trying to work out what my target price for Jeremy Hunt is before laying off. Does 8 sound about right?

    Two separate questions there - what should the price be, and what price will it reach?

    On the first, there's many a slip, we can't be sure when any contest will be or who the other candidates will be, and a disaster might suddenly crop up at the NHS at any time. So even though I think that Hunt is a good and plausible candidate, any estimate of the 'correct' price can't be too short in view of the uncertainties. Maybe around 10.0 would be a reasonable stab.

    On the second, the price will probably overshoot fair value, so I'd be tempted to hold out for a lower price, maybe around 7.0?
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    edited December 2017
    Anorak said:

    Nick has lots of fans on here because he minds his p's and q's, but i'm afraid i'm not one of them.

    He's certainly intelligent but there's something highly disingenuous about the man, and he uses his politeness and false sincerity as a weapon.

    I can't think of a single reason that you'd choose to write that that doesn't paint you as a very unpleasant person.

    Just unnecessary.
    Dr Palmer, having been democratically elected, voted to give away powers to the EU and thus put them beyond direct democratic control, despite having been elected on a manifesto which promised a public vote first.

    Frankly, Casino is being generous.
  • HHemmeligHHemmelig Posts: 617
    edited December 2017
    Anorak said:

    Nick has lots of fans on here because he minds his p's and q's, but i'm afraid i'm not one of them.

    He's certainly intelligent but there's something highly disingenuous about the man, and he uses his politeness and false sincerity as a weapon.

    I can't think of a single reason that you'd choose to write that that doesn't paint you as a very unpleasant person.

    Just unnecessary.
    If every MP who was disingenuous and used politeness and false sincerity as a weapon were fired there'd be very few MPs left to sit next to Dennis Skinner.

    Let's be frank about it, the vast majority of MPs are out and out shits. Compared with that very low bar Nick comes across as a pretty decent bloke. Also fair play to him for posting under his real name. I write this as someone who has voted for a Labour candidate only once in 41 years.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712
    edited December 2017

    HYUFD said:

    I'm beginning to think a Hunt leadership is nailed on. Only one question remains: does Boris have anything up his sleeve to stop him?

    The Tory membership may have something to say about that first, Hunt was 8th in the last ConservativeHome next leader survey behind not just Mogg and Boris but Gove, Davis and Rudd too plus I see no evidence of an avalanche of support from Tory MPs for Hunt either
    won't the vote, if there is one, be more about who you don't want rather than who you do?
    In which case Hunt has a number of enemies, so I don't think that helps him either
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    What's this about Bradford.

    Racial division within Bradford is 'horrible state of affairs', warns scrutiny committee chairman

    BRADFORD is “heading towards disaster” and the Council has allowed racial hatred and the perception of fear to “become a real problem”, the chairman of a scrutiny committee has warned.

    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/15788106.Racial_division_within_Bradford_is__horrible_state_of_affairs___warns_scrutiny_committee_chairman/?ref=mr&lp=3

    Those are my local pubs that were attacked.
  • I'm trying to work out what my target price for Jeremy Hunt is before laying off. Does 8 sound about right?

    I won't mention that I backed him for next Prime Minister at 140. That would be gauche.

    I'm trying to work out what my target price for Jeremy Hunt is before laying off. Does 8 sound about right?

    I won't mention that I backed him for next Prime Minister at 140. That would be gauche.

    Hideously so.

    Jeremy Hunt 280 £3.98 £1,110.42
    Ref: 105995629578 Matched: 17:56 30-Oct-17
    Jeremy Hunt 300 £0.02 £5.98
    Ref: 104754227688 Matched: 19:21 08-Oct-17
    Nobody likes a show off.

    Take some lessons in humility from me, ahem.
  • nielhnielh Posts: 1,307
    Remainer Hunt wont get elected by the brexit voting conservative membership.
    The hype is not justified.
  • HYUFD said:

    On topic, the Hunt bandwagon continues to roll:

    https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/944170181483552768

    I will be amused if she picks her former campaign manager, Grayling, rather than Hunt who is openly campaigning for the job and knowing May I think she might
    I remember a few weeks ago you said you were almost certain she'd make David Davis her Deputy if Green went.

    Not sticking to that?
  • I was ahead of the game. I backed Jeremy Hunt as next Tory leader long before you lot.

    Unfortunately that was during the coalition so I was one leadership change too early.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    FF43 said:

    calum said:
    Bears a certain resemblance to this passport:

    image
    At least they have a strong and stable leader.

  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    nielh said:

    Remainer Hunt wont get elected by the brexit voting conservative membership.
    The hype is not justified.

    As a Brexit voting and campaigning Tory Party member, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    We will be much more concerned about the potential backlash from being Minister for Health in rallying Labour, and how it affects our chances of victory, than how he campaigned during the referendum whose result he has accepted.
  • My passport is due for renewal May 2019 - but I've just seen that the blue ones won't be issued until October. Looks like we'll be holidaying in Bangor that summer.

    Mine expires on 19th September 2019! And usually abroad once or twice a month so instant renewal is essential. I'll have one of the last British EU passports I guess.
  • I see Twitter is in meltdown over #bluepassport with people (implausibly young to have owned one) complaining about 'passport queues' when we had them......well, the UK passport is better at getting into countries Visa free than most EU passports - only Germany and Sweden being marginally better:

    https://www.passportindex.org/byRank.php
  • nielh said:

    Remainer Hunt wont get elected by the brexit voting conservative membership.
    The hype is not justified.

    Plenty of Conservative members on here [from both sides of the referendum fence] have averred that Remain/Leave will not be their principal concern. Now, we aren't entirely representative of the wider party, but you need only look at YouGov's May/Johnson polling from last time to realise that all but the most unreconciled Remainers will have a decent chance if they appeal in other ways.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Are we all looking forward to getting blue passports?

    Presumably the EU ones will not be valid post Exit?

    Opportunity for government to raise cash at say £50 per renewal.

    Apparently the Burgundy ones will stay valid for the full 10 years. Then a blue one to demonstrate the banality of Brexit.
    you can't help yourself, can you.
    I dont feel any need to restrain my contempt for Brexit.
  • HYUFD said:

    On topic, the Hunt bandwagon continues to roll:

    https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/944170181483552768

    I will be amused if she picks her former campaign manager, Grayling, rather than Hunt who is openly campaigning for the job and knowing May I think she might
    I remember a few weeks ago you said you were almost certain she'd make David Davis her Deputy if Green went.

    Not sticking to that?
    I'm glad I can finally agree with HYUFD on something. The idea of Hunt either winning a Tory leadership election or a general election is laughable. Probably a good safe pair of hands for deputy PM role though.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited December 2017

    I was ahead of the game. I backed Jeremy Hunt as next Tory leader long before you lot.

    Unfortunately that was during the coalition so I was one leadership change too early.

    Oh yeah, I did that too. And Gove at fancy prices...
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,881

    I'm trying to work out what my target price for Jeremy Hunt is before laying off. Does 8 sound about right?

    I won't mention that I backed him for next Prime Minister at 140. That would be gauche.

    I'm trying to work out what my target price for Jeremy Hunt is before laying off. Does 8 sound about right?

    I won't mention that I backed him for next Prime Minister at 140. That would be gauche.

    Back of the envelope:
    Chance of wanting to be PM and standing - 0.9
    Chance of avoiding scandal before next contest - 0.9
    Chance of making final 2 - 0.3
    Chance of winning with membership - 0.5

    I make that about 12% or so...

    To be really strong I think if he could get Gove on board as chancellor then he’d easily make the final 2. Anyone know if they are close?
  • HYUFD said:

    I'm beginning to think a Hunt leadership is nailed on. Only one question remains: does Boris have anything up his sleeve to stop him?

    The Tory membership may have something to say about that first, Hunt was 8th in the last ConservativeHome next leader survey behind not just Mogg and Boris but Gove, Davis and Rudd too plus I see no evidence of an avalanche of support from Tory MPs for Hunt either
    won't the vote, if there is one, be more about who you don't want rather than who you do?
    Yes. That is precisely the point to remember about all Tory leadership contests. Whoever can mobilise the Anyone-But-X vote stands a very good chance of reaching the last two.
  • HHemmelig said:

    My passport is due for renewal May 2019 - but I've just seen that the blue ones won't be issued until October. Looks like we'll be holidaying in Bangor that summer.

    Mine expires on 19th September 2019! And usually abroad once or twice a month so instant renewal is essential. I'll have one of the last British EU passports I guess.
    I'm not abroad that frequently but I'm not really intending to delay my renewal either. I shall have to spray-paint it instead :p
  • I'll stand up for the Prime Minister in relation to her comments on Doctor Who and James Bond. She's commenting on the desirability of women role models not on artistic merit. That's a matter for public debate and one a woman Prime Minister is well placed to join in on.

    Doctor Who is the only TV show that I'll be watching over the festive period (or, at least, the only one that I have "booked" my parents' TV for - I expect I'll also see stuff that the other 6 family members want to see too). Much as I adore Peter Capaldi's Doctor I'm looking forward to seeing the Jodie Whittaker era. Even 5 or 6 years ago I'd have been opposed to having a woman play the role. In retrospect this was only because it wouldn't have fitted with the show's established continuity... but once they changed the continuity to pave the way for it I was very happy with the idea. Not sure what that says about me - probably that I like to live within rules but I'm fine for those rules to be changed. ;)

    I can't comment on James Bond though, I've never watched a Bond movie in my life.
  • brendan16 said:

    FF43 said:

    Jeremy Hunt is plausible. Plausibility is a good characteristic for a leader. Jeremy Corbyn lacks it.

    I guess the passport colour change symbolises to Brexiteers what they regain and to Remainers what they lose. So it matters at that level. To me it just symbolises the utter mediocrity of Brexit. If you are doing change, do it properly. A modernist take on the Union flag maybe. Or a galloping moose as in the (burgundy colour) Finnish passports:

    https://twitter.com/SoVeryFinnish/status/745323758282485764

    Frontiers irritate me, so I see the British passport as a useful document. A EU passport is at least as good and I really don't care what it says on the front as long as it does the job.

    Post Brexit UK citizens will still have visa free travel for tourism purposes to over 170 nations - the only ones we don't are places you probably wouldn't want to visit anyway.

    You can go to Canada and New Zealand for up to 6 months - and we are the only nation bar Australia with a reciprocal health care agreement with the Kiwis.

    It's not so bad - and there is a big wide world outside the EU. Places which are the future and not the past. Live a little and expand your horizons as you might say,

    As for freedom of movement - there are 65 million Brits but barely a million or two have moved to the EU and many of them are retirees. Few move for permanent work.

    So to sum up, our blue passport - which is not the same colour as the old one - will give UK citizens more restricted access to the world than the current one.

  • HHemmeligHHemmelig Posts: 617
    edited December 2017
    RoyalBlue said:

    nielh said:

    Remainer Hunt wont get elected by the brexit voting conservative membership.
    The hype is not justified.

    As a Brexit voting and campaigning Tory Party member, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    We will be much more concerned about the potential backlash from being Minister for Health in rallying Labour, and how it affects our chances of victory, than how he campaigned during the referendum whose result he has accepted.
    I think your last point is a good one, however much would depend upon who he is up against in the membership vote. I can't see a Rees-Mogg character not trying to win votes on a principled Brexiteer ticket.
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223

    What's this about Bradford.

    Racial division within Bradford is 'horrible state of affairs', warns scrutiny committee chairman

    BRADFORD is “heading towards disaster” and the Council has allowed racial hatred and the perception of fear to “become a real problem”, the chairman of a scrutiny committee has warned.

    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/15788106.Racial_division_within_Bradford_is__horrible_state_of_affairs___warns_scrutiny_committee_chairman/?ref=mr&lp=3

    Those are my local pubs that were attacked.

    I feel for you. I can only imagine how angry you feel.

    You’ve got to love the cognitive dissonance in that article. A Labour councillor notes that community relations were much better 25 years ago. It’s blindingly obvious what has changed in that time, but no-one in the article will point it out.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    I was ahead of the game. I backed Jeremy Hunt as next Tory leader long before you lot.

    Unfortunately that was during the coalition so I was one leadership change too early.

    Oh yeah, I did that too. And Gove at fancy prices...
    Gove is too much of a loose cannon. I think Hammond at 28 is the current value.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789

    brendan16 said:

    FF43 said:

    Jeremy Hunt is plausible. Plausibility is a good characteristic for a leader. Jeremy Corbyn lacks it.

    I guess the passport colour change symbolises to Brexiteers what they regain and to Remainers what they lose. So it matters at that level. To me it just symbolises the utter mediocrity of Brexit. If you are doing change, do it properly. A modernist take on the Union flag maybe. Or a galloping moose as in the (burgundy colour) Finnish passports:

    https://twitter.com/SoVeryFinnish/status/745323758282485764

    Frontiers irritate me, so I see the British passport as a useful document. A EU passport is at least as good and I really don't care what it says on the front as long as it does the job.

    Post Brexit UK citizens will still have visa free travel for tourism purposes to over 170 nations - the only ones we don't are places you probably wouldn't want to visit anyway.

    You can go to Canada and New Zealand for up to 6 months - and we are the only nation bar Australia with a reciprocal health care agreement with the Kiwis.

    It's not so bad - and there is a big wide world outside the EU. Places which are the future and not the past. Live a little and expand your horizons as you might say,

    As for freedom of movement - there are 65 million Brits but barely a million or two have moved to the EU and many of them are retirees. Few move for permanent work.

    So to sum up, our blue passport - which is not the same colour as the old one - will give UK citizens more restricted access to the world than the current one.
    Writing off our own continent as 'the past' is unbelievably myopic and lacking in self awareness.
  • Mr. Price, did you tip it?

    Knowing whether to tip very long odds things can be tricky.

    I can't even remember if I tipped it, but I'm still annoyed the 200/1 on Perez to win in Azerbaijan didn't come off. He could've and should've won that, but for the stupid intra-team idiocy.
  • HYUFD said:

    On topic, the Hunt bandwagon continues to roll:

    https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/944170181483552768

    I will be amused if she picks her former campaign manager, Grayling, rather than Hunt who is openly campaigning for the job and knowing May I think she might
    Grayling is the opposite of a safe pair of hands
  • Maggies biggest mistake was the Crown Prosecution Service: Time to clean 'Common-Purpose' and their faeces from the 'legal-profession' (not to be confused with respectable "prostitutes"). Justice cannot be at the whim of the likes of Starmer.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    RoyalBlue said:

    What's this about Bradford.

    Racial division within Bradford is 'horrible state of affairs', warns scrutiny committee chairman

    BRADFORD is “heading towards disaster” and the Council has allowed racial hatred and the perception of fear to “become a real problem”, the chairman of a scrutiny committee has warned.

    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/15788106.Racial_division_within_Bradford_is__horrible_state_of_affairs___warns_scrutiny_committee_chairman/?ref=mr&lp=3

    Those are my local pubs that were attacked.

    I feel for you. I can only imagine how angry you feel.

    You’ve got to love the cognitive dissonance in that article. A Labour councillor notes that community relations were much better 25 years ago. It’s blindingly obvious what has changed in that time, but no-one in the article will point it out.

    Dont worry, the magic fairy dust of Brexit will cure Bradford of its ills.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712
    edited December 2017

    HYUFD said:

    On topic, the Hunt bandwagon continues to roll:

    https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/944170181483552768

    I will be amused if she picks her former campaign manager, Grayling, rather than Hunt who is openly campaigning for the job and knowing May I think she might
    I remember a few weeks ago you said you were almost certain she'd make David Davis her Deputy if Green went.

    Not sticking to that?
    I think being Brexit Secretary is now too big a job to combine with Deputy PM although he has an outside chance, I think Grayling a better bet, he is ultra loyal to May having been her leadership campaign manager in June 2016 and experienced and having briefly met both Grayling and Hunt I personally found the former more impressive and knowledgeable than the latter.

    Grayling of course has also always been a Brexiteer unlike Hunt' s recent conversion from Remain and Grayling is not openly campaigning for the job as Hunt seems to be.
  • I was ahead of the game. I backed Jeremy Hunt as next Tory leader long before you lot.

    Unfortunately that was during the coalition so I was one leadership change too early.

    Oh yeah, I did that too. And Gove at fancy prices...
    Gove is too much of a loose cannon. I think Hammond at 28 is the current value.
    I'm not that interested in Gove this time around, though he is doing very well at Environment. Hammond probably doesn't have the support but I agree he's a decent enough price. He is was 28 on Next Con Leader and yet is 23 to lay on next PM. Similar anomalies pop up from time to time...
  • Anorak said:

    Nick has lots of fans on here because he minds his p's and q's, but i'm afraid i'm not one of them.

    He's certainly intelligent but there's something highly disingenuous about the man, and he uses his politeness and false sincerity as a weapon.

    I can't think of a single reason that you'd choose to write that that doesn't paint you as a very unpleasant person.

    Just unnecessary.
    I say it as I see it: what you see is what you get. I think he's disingenuous, and, although his posts are well-argued and phrased, I find it quite transparent.

    It's up to you what opinion you form of me off the back of what I write here.

    There have been plenty of people in the past who've misunderstood me, and I'm sure there'll continue to be so in the future.
  • brendan16 said:

    FF43 said:

    Jeremy Hunt is plausible. Plausibility is a good characteristic for a leader. Jeremy Corbyn lacks it.

    I guess the passport colour change symbolises to Brexiteers what they regain and to Remainers what they lose. So it matters at that level. To me it just symbolises the utter mediocrity of Brexit. If you are doing change, do it properly. A modernist take on the Union flag maybe. Or a galloping moose as in the (burgundy colour) Finnish passports:

    https://twitter.com/SoVeryFinnish/status/745323758282485764

    Frontiers irritate me, so I see the British passport as a useful document. A EU passport is at least as good and I really don't care what it says on the front as long as it does the job.

    Post Brexit UK citizens will still have visa free travel for tourism purposes to over 170 nations - the only ones we don't are places you probably wouldn't want to visit anyway.

    You can go to Canada and New Zealand for up to 6 months - and we are the only nation bar Australia with a reciprocal health care agreement with the Kiwis.

    It's not so bad - and there is a big wide world outside the EU. Places which are the future and not the past. Live a little and expand your horizons as you might say,

    As for freedom of movement - there are 65 million Brits but barely a million or two have moved to the EU and many of them are retirees. Few move for permanent work.

    UK citizens more restricted access to the world than the current one
    Specifically, where?

    Which countries have announced that UK passport holders will need visas after Brexit?

  • Writing off our own continent as 'the past' is unbelievably myopic and lacking in self awareness.

    God, you are boring: Our "continent". Geologically you are freckin clueless.

    :trot-on-son-trot-on:
  • HHemmelig said:

    HHemmelig said:



    Your thread headers are always excellent.



    She never hears it directly.

    I always make a point of listening to those with very different life experiences to me. Provided they don't do it in a way which annoys me too much, which I admit is perhaps a subjective thing to judge..

    Quite a few of the Spanish, Greek, Austrian and Portuguese that I work with have told me that they feel less at home here post Brexit.

    Surely that was a feature not a bug though? Making the country less welcoming to immigrants was substantially the point of Brexit.
    Of course it was. The EU nationals I know are sick with worry that they are eventually going to be asked to leave and feel that London is surrounded by people who want to see them go.
    And yet, none of these people exist.

    I work with lots of EU nationals in London. Not one has ever said anything of the sort. This is a fantasy of British Remainers.

    No doubt if you initiate conversation with them about how terrible Brexit is, they might humour you, but no-one has ever volunteered any concerns to me. Not once.

    And, no, they don't know I voted Leave.
    I also know a fair few EU nationals here, mostly London professionals and spouses of friends and neighbours. None of them I've spoken to on the topic seem petrified of being sent home, but practically all of them are upset about Brexit.
    Funny how its always the remainiest of Remainers who find this.

    I work in London, have an EU national wife, EU national friends, work with many EU nationals and most of my social circle voted Remain. All but two, in fact.

    I live and breathe in the same world you guys do.

    None have I found.
    I think the answer is obvious, they are being nice to you. To say that most people don't realise you voted leave might be a bit delusional given your insults about the "remainiest of Remainers" (a group I doubt I belong to btw). Fair play to you however as it probably isn't easy being a committed leaver in a London young professional environment at the moment. I never comment on Sunil Prasanan's infantile remarks for the same reason, he must have a very hard time in precarious academia as a vocal youngish Leaver.
    Don't patronise me. I may let out all my politics on here, but am ultra-professional in my work and with my clients.

    Hardly anyone has a clue how I voted in the EU referendum, and I don't bring it up.

    I do watch and observe.
  • Mr. Price, did you tip it?

    Knowing whether to tip very long odds things can be tricky.

    I can't even remember if I tipped it, but I'm still annoyed the 200/1 on Perez to win in Azerbaijan didn't come off. He could've and should've won that, but for the stupid intra-team idiocy.

    Sadly my main piece on the subject tipped Osborne at > 6/4! Though mercifully I did highlight Theresa May at 11/1 subsequently.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603

    I was ahead of the game. I backed Jeremy Hunt as next Tory leader long before you lot.

    Unfortunately that was during the coalition so I was one leadership change too early.

    Oh yeah, I did that too. And Gove at fancy prices...
    Gove is too much of a loose cannon. I think Hammond at 28 is the current value.
    I'd only back Hammond in the hundreds as a long shot. He has no natural base of support within the membership.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    I was ahead of the game. I backed Jeremy Hunt as next Tory leader long before you lot.

    Unfortunately that was during the coalition so I was one leadership change too early.

    Oh yeah, I did that too. And Gove at fancy prices...
    Gove is too much of a loose cannon. I think Hammond at 28 is the current value.
    I'm not that interested in Gove this time around, though he is doing very well at Environment. Hammond probably doesn't have the support but I agree he's a decent enough price. He is was 28 on Next Con Leader and yet is 23 to lay on next PM. Similar anomalies pop up from time to time...
    Hammond had a good budget (at least by recent standards) and seems to be back in May's good books. He also seems to have prevailed over the type of Brexit. He is winning all his battles quietly, and is one to watch.
  • stevef said:

    Hunt can do radio interviews well, but on television -the medium which all successful politicians since the 1960s have had to master -he appears shifty and uncontrollable. He comes across as a sweaty browed cold fish, and is despised by public sector workers, and his record on the NHS is a gift to the Labour Party. His name also allows his opponents to become "poetic" in their criticisms, and would go down a bomb on
    university campuses.


    Damian Green has always looked the most shifty of all politicians.

    Hunt is a pillar of reasonableness. Not so good as a PM but good as a number two spreading oil on stormy waters..
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    What's this about Bradford.

    Racial division within Bradford is 'horrible state of affairs', warns scrutiny committee chairman

    BRADFORD is “heading towards disaster” and the Council has allowed racial hatred and the perception of fear to “become a real problem”, the chairman of a scrutiny committee has warned.

    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/15788106.Racial_division_within_Bradford_is__horrible_state_of_affairs___warns_scrutiny_committee_chairman/?ref=mr&lp=3

    Those are my local pubs that were attacked.

    Not good TYke , my wife's originally from Keighley , even in the 80s , it was self imposed apartheid , schools , housing areas .White flight to Skipton.There was a terrible event there yesterday.https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/woman-stabbed-to-death-in-aldi-worked-at-the-skipton-supermarket-1-8923335
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