I have first hand experience of this. The salaries they're offering are utterly shocking.
We need people with experience to deal with Brexit, which means over the age of about 45 or 50. If the average is 31 a lot must be considerably younger, to state the obvious.
I'm 36 this year, but I have 14 years experience in managing major projects and programmes in the private, public, and PPI sector, and have done consultancy work for the Cabinet Office before via one of the Big 4, who charged far higher day rates for me than I got paid.
What's the big concern around Toby Young's employment. I'm sure people get jobs all the time because they know someone or some such. Is it really the biggest political topic of the day ?
Here's the politics. The Tories are already not exactly popular with students. Then they appoint Toby Young as Student Czar.
Top move...
Care to name a Tory who is popular with students (particularly the politically active kind?).
I often think a lot of what the Conservatives are doing is picking people with the nous to suggest ideas that may be popular with the parents of students or adolescent children, who may already be sympathetic to the Conservative Party. Toby Young would fit well in that mould.
Kenneth Clarke.
Former Education Secretary alone makes him more eminently qualified than Toby Young.
Ken's also a big fan of free speech at universities, invited Sir Oswald Mosley to give a speech to CUCA.
I found his autobiography interesting. He's not as Left-wing as I thought.
What is interesting is that it is now Labour voters who are most split on Brexit, before the EU referendum when Cameron was still Tory leader and UKIP were still a force it was the Tories who were most split.
Now just 69% of Labour voters back Remain compared to 81% of LD voters while 72% of Tory voters back Leave. Those numbers explain the Labour leaderships current lack of a clear position on the Brexit process and long-term outcome.
There's been a shake out, as Labour Leave voters shift rightward, and Conservative Remain voters shift leftward.
Rest assured, this Labour Leaver is not shifting rightward!
Give it time.
I agreed with sandy twice last week and I ain 't a lefty - it's already happening.
Sandy's a good egg.
One ambiguously positive outcome of the EU referendum and its aftermath (for me, at least) is that it brought me much closer to our Labour posters, and the concerns of traditional Labour voters.
Perhaps avid Brexit enthusiasm is a condition which makes it difficult for you to read a simple chart? You can see it well enough at the top of this thread - about 70% of Labour voters voted Remain. The idea that right-wing Brexiteers somehow speak for a majority of the downtrodden Labour voting masses is self-evidently a pile of horseshit. Note that inner city seats are in many cases just as "traditionally Labour" as the Mansfields and Hartlepools....there haven't been Tory MPs for the likes of Brixton or Deptford in very many decades. Unless (as I suspect) you are only interested in speaking for traditional Labour voters who happen to be white.
What's the big concern around Toby Young's employment. I'm sure people get jobs all the time because they know someone or some such. Is it really the biggest political topic of the day ?
Here's the politics. The Tories are already not exactly popular with students. Then they appoint Toby Young as Student Czar.
Top move...
Care to name a Tory who is popular with students (particularly the politically active kind?).
I often think a lot of what the Conservatives are doing is picking people with the nous to suggest ideas that may be popular with the parents of students or adolescent children, who may already be sympathetic to the Conservative Party. Toby Young would fit well in that mould.
Kenneth Clarke.
Former Education Secretary alone makes him more eminently qualified than Toby Young.
Ken's also a big fan of free speech at universities, invited Sir Oswald Mosley to give a speech to CUCA.
I found his autobiography interesting. He's not as Left-wing as I thought.
He instituted many of the Thatcherite reforms of the 80s, and he was a proper Chancellor.
When I heard him speak in late 2016 there was a disappointment in his voice that a hard left Labour party/government was back, he thought that particular beast had been long slain and that the country had learned the lessons about how about the dangers of socialism.
What's the big concern around Toby Young's employment. I'm sure people get jobs all the time because they know someone or some such. Is it really the biggest political topic of the day ?
Here's the politics. The Tories are already not exactly popular with students. Then they appoint Toby Young as Student Czar.
Top move...
Care to name a Tory who is popular with students (particularly the politically active kind?).
I often think a lot of what the Conservatives are doing is picking people with the nous to suggest ideas that may be popular with the parents of students or adolescent children, who may already be sympathetic to the Conservative Party. Toby Young would fit well in that mould.
Kenneth Clarke.
Former Education Secretary alone makes him more eminently qualified than Toby Young.
Ken's also a big fan of free speech at universities, invited Sir Oswald Mosley to give a speech to CUCA.
I found his autobiography interesting. He's not as Left-wing as I thought.
DExEU is a good opportunity to get promoted if you’re young.. Also a good way to break into more international work - which again appeals to the younger civil servants.
If Brexit gets cancelled, we'll have a good supply of ambitious young civil servants with good knowledge of the EU ready to staff the other departments.
What's the big concern around Toby Young's employment. I'm sure people get jobs all the time because they know someone or some such. Is it really the biggest political topic of the day ?
Here's the politics. The Tories are already not exactly popular with students. Then they appoint Toby Young as Student Czar.
Top move...
Care to name a Tory who is popular with students (particularly the politically active kind?).
I often think a lot of what the Conservatives are doing is picking people with the nous to suggest ideas that may be popular with the parents of students or adolescent children, who may already be sympathetic to the Conservative Party. Toby Young would fit well in that mould.
Kenneth Clarke.
Former Education Secretary alone makes him more eminently qualified than Toby Young.
Ken's also a big fan of free speech at universities, invited Sir Oswald Mosley to give a speech to CUCA.
So's Chris Patten, who might be reasonably popular with students once they realise he's as pro-EU as they are
What's the big concern around Toby Young's employment. I'm sure people get jobs all the time because they know someone or some such. Is it really the biggest political topic of the day ?
I only clocked it when I logged onto Twitter today, I've only logged on two or three times over the past few days, and wouldn't have known anything about it otherwise.
As far as I can tell, his offence is that he's a Tory.
I can't imagine anyone in the real world cares.
I must admit, I enjoyed How to Lose Friends and Alienate People. He doesn't seem particularly qualified for the job, but then neither are most ministers, so I think it's all a bit meh.
It is quite a funny book. Not sure how it qualifies him for his new sinecure.
Our imports and exports are kept in balance by movements in the exchange rate.
The academic evidence for that is rather mixed, to put it mildly. If you look around the world today, the countries with the biggest current account deficits are the UK and the US, both of which have freely floating currencies.
Going further back in time, current account and trade deficits were much more modest during both the Gold Standard and the Bretton Woods period. (And if you want to understand what a balance of payments crisis was like during that period can I recommend the excellent Business Adventures, bu John Brooks.)
There is a good reason why exchange rates don't necessarily work as one might expect: only a small portion of foreign currency flows are trade related. So, there might be interest payments on government debt, income from foreign investments (and dividends/rent to owners of UK assets), and that's before we even talk about other capital flows or speculation.
Do you conclude anything?
For what it's worth much of what you say is right, I think, however it's a mere scrap of the big picture. Why should we value a £20 note versus a Bitcoin? I think it's worth getting out of a currency mindset and thinking about why it's clear people want to buy a square meter in London versus anywhere else. Then work backwards.
The price suggests that London will be by far and away the most important place on the planet, and that the defining thing is holding wealth. As such the basic exchange medium become 1msq of London. This replaces the previous barrel of WTI.
I see Donald Trump and Steve Bannon are now at it hammer and tongs. This is a weird feeling - I'm actually finding myself siding with Donald!
Trump is getting better. He, quite correctly, put the Palestinians in their place. I'm simply astonished to find myself agreeing with him on anything. However on this I do.
Oh, and what is the Palestinians' place? And who decides?
What is interesting is that it is now Labour voters who are most split on Brexit, before the EU referendum when Cameron was still Tory leader and UKIP were still a force it was the Tories who were most split.
Now just 69% of Labour voters back Remain compared to 81% of LD voters while 72% of Tory voters back Leave. Those numbers explain the Labour leaderships current lack of a clear position on the Brexit process and long-term outcome.
There's been a shake out, as Labour Leave voters shift rightward, and Conservative Remain voters shift leftward.
Rest assured, this Labour Leaver is not shifting rightward!
Give it time.
I agreed with sandy twice last week and I ain 't a lefty - it's already happening.
Sandy's a good egg.
One ambiguously positive outcome of the EU referendum and its aftermath (for me, at least) is that it brought me much closer to our Labour posters, and the concerns of traditional Labour voters.
Perhaps avid Brexit enthusiasm is a condition which makes it difficult for you to read a simple chart? You can see it well enough at the top of this thread - about 70% of Labour voters voted Remain. The idea that right-wing Brexiteers somehow speak for a majority of the downtrodden Labour voting masses is self-evidently a pile of horseshit. Note that inner city seats are in many cases just as "traditionally Labour" as the Mansfields and Hartlepools....there haven't been Tory MPs for the likes of Brixton or Deptford in very many decades. Unless (as I suspect) you are only interested in speaking for traditional Labour voters who happen to be white.
Here is a prime example of what a joke the BBC has become - 10 minutes ago during half time in the Arsenal Chelsea game, Jonathan Overend was interviewed ahead of the Sydney Test Match starting tonight at 11.30pm UK time. He said the weather was very grey and cloudy with steady drizzle at the moment. I then take a look at the weather forecast for Sydney on the BBC website and come up with this:
That's right - bright sunshine at 8am in the morning, in around 5 minutes time.
Not to mention how silent BBC News 24 has been over the past week about the widespread freezing weather in the eastern US right down to the Southern states, which has been breaking many records including snowfall and cold. You really couldn't make it up could you!
What's the big concern around Toby Young's employment. I'm sure people get jobs all the time because they know someone or some such. Is it really the biggest political topic of the day ?
Here's the politics. The Tories are already not exactly popular with students. Then they appoint Toby Young as Student Czar.
Top move...
Care to name a Tory who is popular with students (particularly the politically active kind?).
I often think a lot of what the Conservatives are doing is picking people with the nous to suggest ideas that may be popular with the parents of students or adolescent children, who may already be sympathetic to the Conservative Party. Toby Young would fit well in that mould.
Kenneth Clarke.
Former Education Secretary alone makes him more eminently qualified than Toby Young.
Ken's also a big fan of free speech at universities, invited Sir Oswald Mosley to give a speech to CUCA.
I found his autobiography interesting. He's not as Left-wing as I thought.
He instituted many of the Thatcherite reforms of the 80s, and he was a proper Chancellor.
When I heard him speak in late 2016 there was a disappointment in his voice that a hard left Labour party/government was back, he thought that particular beast had been long slain and that the country had learned the lessons about how about the dangers of socialism.
35 years of neoliberal dogmatism have obscured any lessons about the perceived dangers of socialism.
I see Donald Trump and Steve Bannon are now at it hammer and tongs. This is a weird feeling - I'm actually finding myself siding with Donald!
Trump is getting better. He, quite correctly, put the Palestinians in their place. I'm simply astonished to find myself agreeing with him on anything. However on this I do.
Oh, and what is the Palestinians' place? And who decides?
The Palestinians' place is where they want to be, and they decide. They're doing themselves no favours being a handout state though. Save up and bloody buy Jerusalem - arsing about is a less good option, and anyway you don't want such a fundamentally daft place as Jerusalem anyway.
However, in the real world I am fairly sure that if we changed our minds and shamefacedly asked to recant A50 a means would be found for us to do so by a delighted EU. Most countries would be happy to have us back and any that wished to be awkward (e.g. Luxembourg, Spain) would probably find their 'no' vote mysteriously changed to 'yes' on the way to the count. This is for two simple reasons. Not only would that kill any thought of anyone else trying to leave, but it would also bring us back in with all that lovely trade and money and intelligence data but also severely weakened and having lost much of our prestige and a number of European agencies, leaving the Francophile vision of big state federalism truly triumphant.
Which is why, no matter how badly Barnier and Davis bugger up talks between them, Theresa May is about as likely to do it as John Macdonnell is to endorse the sale of Network Rail to a group of hedge funds.
(I wonder if that will be third time lucky.)
Riding two horses at once you old welsh wizard.
Actually it's three at once, and I think even old Lloyd George himself would have struggled with that! (Anyway I understand he preferred whores to horses.)
On topic, what this surely does show is that there is no good widely accepted outcome to the situation we are now in. If the government tries to do a reverse ferret and stay in, there will be the same groundswell of opposition to the EU there always has been, while if they continue to pull us out those who voted Remain will still be unreconciled to that decision.
I will confess that does surprise me a bit because even as a Remainer my impression was the EU was always barely tolerated and certainly not widely liked - indeed that was one of the rationales for the referendum was it not, to ensure that there was a clear and unambiguous mandate for continued EU membership after years of sniping and division? But on this evidence it seems it was considerably more popular in and of itself than I had realised.
I am with you there. But I think we often project our own opinions onto other people. I was surprised that my parents were considering voting to leave. I thought everyone would agree that was too radical a step to take. I was even more surprised by my children's attitude. They regard leaving as not so much a bad move but as clinically insane. This issue is not so much polarising as totally separating. It's like leavers and remainers have lived on different planets and have so little understanding of one another they can't even talk to each other meaningfully.
Intel might be in deep doo-doo due to a serious security bug in many of their x86 processors. The fix for this may appreciably slow down the processor: in worst cases by up to 30%.
However, I quite like this line on the BBC's write-up:
"Semi-conductor chips are found in many of the world's computers."
I guess 'll just have to warm up the valves on my desktop PC ...
You use a digital computer??? I'm still on analog.
Actually it's three at once, and I think even old Lloyd George himself would have struggled with that! (Anyway I understand he preferred whores to horses.)
On topic, what this surely does show is that there is no good widely accepted outcome to the situation we are now in. If the government tries to do a reverse ferret and stay in, there will be the same groundswell of opposition to the EU there always has been, while if they continue to pull us out those who voted Remain will still be unreconciled to that decision.
I will confess that does surprise me a bit because even as a Remainer my impression was the EU was always barely tolerated and certainly not widely liked - indeed that was one of the rationales for the referendum was it not, to ensure that there was a clear and unambiguous mandate for continued EU membership after years of sniping and division? But on this evidence it seems it was considerably more popular in and of itself than I had realised.
I am with you there. But I think we often project our own opinions onto other people. I was surprised that my parents were considering voting to leave. I thought everyone would agree that was too radical a step to take. I was even more surprised by my children's attitude. They regard leaving as not so much a bad move but as clinically insane. This issue is not so much polarising as totally separating. It's like leavers and remainers have lived on different planets and have so little understanding of one another they can't even talk to each other meaningfully.
I think this post is very perceptive.
It leads me to wonder whether PB Leavers think that once we have left, Europe will no longer be an issue? Might it be that leaving just swaps a disgruntled and persistent Europhobe movement for an equally disgruntled and persistent Europhile one?
I see Donald Trump and Steve Bannon are now at it hammer and tongs. This is a weird feeling - I'm actually finding myself siding with Donald!
Trump is getting better. He, quite correctly, put the Palestinians in their place. I'm simply astonished to find myself agreeing with him on anything. However on this I do.
Oh, and what is the Palestinians' place? And who decides?
The Palestinians' place is where they want to be, and they decide. They're doing themselves no favours being a handout state though. Save up and bloody buy Jerusalem - arsing about is a less good option, and anyway you don't want such a fundamentally daft place as Jerusalem anyway.
I'm sure they'd settle for a vote in a secular state consisting of the area previously known as Palestine
Is everyone not simply agog at the Bannon-Trump feud that has erupted today?
The whole US political situation has lost it's ability to surprise tbh. Trump could be caught on video pissing out of the oval office window and we'd all say 'well fancy that'!
I am with you there. But I think we often project our own opinions onto other people. I was surprised that my parents were considering voting to leave. I thought everyone would agree that was too radical a step to take. I was even more surprised by my children's attitude. They regard leaving as not so much a bad move but as clinically insane. This issue is not so much polarising as totally separating. It's like leavers and remainers have lived on different planets and have so little understanding of one another they can't even talk to each other meaningfully.
I think this post is very perceptive.
It leads me to wonder whether PB Leavers think that once we have left, Europe will no longer be an issue? Might it be that leaving just swaps a disgruntled and persistent Europhobe movement for an equally disgruntled and persistent Europhile one?
This above all is why Leavers who think the EU is a good thing for other countries but not for us because of their sense of British exceptionalism are wrong to pursue Brexit. There are simply too many people who see the world differently and in a democracy, their views cannot be suppressed.
I see Donald Trump and Steve Bannon are now at it hammer and tongs. This is a weird feeling - I'm actually finding myself siding with Donald!
Trump is getting better. He, quite correctly, put the Palestinians in their place. I'm simply astonished to find myself agreeing with him on anything. However on this I do.
Oh, and what is the Palestinians' place? And who decides?
The Palestinians' place is where they want to be, and they decide. They're doing themselves no favours being a handout state though. Save up and bloody buy Jerusalem - arsing about is a less good option, and anyway you don't want such a fundamentally daft place as Jerusalem anyway.
I'm sure they'd settle for a vote in a secular state consisting of the area previously known as Palestine
And I'd vote for Xmas every day.
The people - they'd settle for peace and prosperity. Can you imagine yourself really claiming a place that you have never lived as your own?
I have just been reading the New Years Eve discussion here regarding A level grades and the related issue of grade inflation. I was surprised that nobody mentioned the effect of moving from Relative Marking to Absolute Marking which took place at the same time that GCSEs replaced O levels in 1988 - and which also applied to A levels thereafter. I have always seen that as the key change - under Kenneth Baker in the late Thatcher period.Under the previous Relative Marking system A grades were restricted to the top 10% of pupils sitting the the exam with a further 20% being awarded B grades.Moreover, only 70% passed the A level at all - ie 30% failed to reach the E grade pass. Under the Absolute Marking system we have had for almost 30 years, theoretically every candidate could receive an A grade - and in practice circa 25% have ended up with the top grade. Apparently fewer than 5% of pupils now fail to achieve at least an E grade pass.
Actually it's three at once, and I think even old Lloyd George himself would have struggled with that! (Anyway I understand he preferred whores to horses.)
On topic, what this surely does show is that there is no good widely accepted outcome to the situation we are now in. If the government tries to do a reverse ferret and stay in, there will be the same groundswell of opposition to the EU there always has been, while if they continue to pull us out those who voted Remain will still be unreconciled to that decision.
I will confess that does surprise me a bit because even as a Remainer my impression was the EU was always barely tolerated and certainly not widely liked - indeed that was one of the rationales for the referendum was it not, to ensure that there was a clear and unambiguous mandate for continued EU membership after years of sniping and division? But on this evidence it seems it was considerably more popular in and of itself than I had realised.
I am with you there. But I think we often project our own opinions onto other people. I was surprised that my parents were considering voting to leave. I thought everyone would agree that was too radical a step to take. I was even more surprised by my children's attitude. They regard leaving as not so much a bad move but as clinically insane. This issue is not so much polarising as totally separating. It's like leavers and remainers have lived on different planets and have so little understanding of one another they can't even talk to each other meaningfully.
Leavers and Remainers have different concepts of freedom. You can't get more fundamental than that. For many Leavers freedom is asserting control by putting limits on things. For many Remainers freedom is liberty to do what you want, to go where you want without restriction. Control versus rights. For many Remainers, Freedom of Movement is what it says - freedom and movement. For many Leavers Freedom of Movement is a threat and imposition that needs to be controlled.
Edit and I should say this difference of ideas has almost nothing to do with the EU itself.
Intel might be in deep doo-doo due to a serious security bug in many of their x86 processors. The fix for this may appreciably slow down the processor: in worst cases by up to 30%.
However, I quite like this line on the BBC's write-up:
"Semi-conductor chips are found in many of the world's computers."
I guess 'll just have to warm up the valves on my desktop PC ...
You use a digital computer??? I'm still on analog.
I see Donald Trump and Steve Bannon are now at it hammer and tongs. This is a weird feeling - I'm actually finding myself siding with Donald!
Trump is getting better. He, quite correctly, put the Palestinians in their place. I'm simply astonished to find myself agreeing with him on anything. However on this I do.
Oh, and what is the Palestinians' place? And who decides?
The Palestinians' place is where they want to be, and they decide. They're doing themselves no favours being a handout state though. Save up and bloody buy Jerusalem - arsing about is a less good option, and anyway you don't want such a fundamentally daft place as Jerusalem anyway.
I'm sure they'd settle for a vote in a secular state consisting of the area previously known as Palestine
And I'd vote for Xmas every day.
The people - they'd settle for peace and prosperity. Can you imagine yourself really claiming a place that you have never lived as your own?
Perhaps the biggest movement in polls has been internally within the Brexit and Remain vote in that there's a big move among remain from 'Oh I don't like it but I accept it' to Second referendum/It's a terrible idea, and leave voters who are worried about the government's approach bit aren't changing their minds. That reflects the government's failure in bringing people together after the referendum and is worrying because it leaves no obvious sensible conclusion. Voters are becoming more determined to thwart their opponents than find common ground. As we've seen in America, this doesn't end well.
Actually it's three at once, and I think even old Lloyd George himself would have struggled with that! (Anyway I understand he preferred whores to horses.)
On topic, what this surely does show is that there is no good widely accepted outcome to the situation we are now in. If the government tries to do a reverse ferret and stay in, there will be the same groundswell of opposition to the EU there always has been, while if they continue to pull us out those who voted Remain will still be unreconciled to that decision.
I will confess that does surprise me a bit because even as a Remainer my impression was the EU was always barely tolerated and certainly not widely liked - indeed that was one of the rationales for the referendum was it not, to ensure that there was a clear and unambiguous mandate for continued EU membership after years of sniping and division? But on this evidence it seems it was considerably more popular in and of itself than I had realised.
I am with you there. But I think we often project our own opinions onto other people. I was surprised that my parents were considering voting to leave. I thought everyone would agree that was too radical a step to take. I was even more surprised by my children's attitude. They regard leaving as not so much a bad move but as clinically insane. This issue is not so much polarising as totally separating. It's like leavers and remainers have lived on different planets and have so little understanding of one another they can't even talk to each other meaningfully.
I think this post is very perceptive.
It leads me to wonder whether PB Leavers think that once we have left, Europe will no longer be an issue? Might it be that leaving just swaps a disgruntled and persistent Europhobe movement for an equally disgruntled and persistent Europhile one?
Strangely, I think leaving the EU swaps a disgruntled and persistent Europhobe movement for an even more aggravated Europhobe movement. Brexit doesn't resolve anything. The EU is still there, we still need to deal with it. The EU will impact on our daily lives more outside of it than it ever did while we were members. That's bad news if you voted Leave because you don't like the EU very much and wanted it to go away. That doesn't mean a clamour to rejoin however.
I see Donald Trump and Steve Bannon are now at it hammer and tongs. This is a weird feeling - I'm actually finding myself siding with Donald!
Trump is getting better. He, quite correctly, put the Palestinians in their place. I'm simply astonished to find myself agreeing with him on anything. However on this I do.
Oh, and what is the Palestinians' place? And who decides?
The Palestinians' place is where they want to be, and they decide. They're doing themselves no favours being a handout state though. Save up and bloody buy Jerusalem - arsing about is a less good option, and anyway you don't want such a fundamentally daft place as Jerusalem anyway.
I'm sure they'd settle for a vote in a secular state consisting of the area previously known as Palestine
And I'd vote for Xmas every day.
The people - they'd settle for peace and prosperity. Can you imagine yourself really claiming a place that you have never lived as your own?
Well, for 1900 years Jews did imagine such a thing. Hence the Passover toast "next year in Jerusalem". Why shouldn't Palestinians feel the same?
And if you think that Palestinians would settle for peace without land, you cannot have met many.
Actually it's three at once, and I think even old Lloyd George himself would have struggled with that! (Anyway I understand he preferred whores to horses.)
On topic, what this surely does show is that there is no good widely accepted outcome to the situation we are now in. If the government tries to do a reverse ferret and stay in, there will be the same groundswell of opposition to the EU there always has been, while if they continue to pull us out those who voted Remain will still be unreconciled to that decision.
I will confess that does surprise me a bit because even as a Remainer my impression was the EU was always barely tolerated and certainly not widely liked - indeed that was one of the rationales for the referendum was it not, to ensure that there was a clear and unambiguous mandate for continued EU membership after years of sniping and division? But on this evidence it seems it was considerably more popular in and of itself than I had realised.
I am with you there. But I think we often project our own opinions onto other people. I was surprised that my parents were considering voting to leave. I thought everyone would agree that was too radical a step to take. I was even more surprised by my children's attitude. They regard leaving as not so much a bad move but as clinically insane. This issue is not so much polarising as totally separating. It's like leavers and remainers have lived on different planets and have so little understanding of one another they can't even talk to each other meaningfully.
I think this post is very perceptive.
It leads me to wonder whether PB Leavers think that once we have left, Europe will no longer be an issue? Might it be that leaving just swaps a disgruntled and persistent Europhobe movement for an equally disgruntled and persistent Europhile one?
Brexit doesn't resolve anything. The EU is still there, we still need to deal with it. The EU will impact on our daily lives more outside of it than it ever did while we were members. That's bad news if you voted Leave because you don't like the EU very much and wanted it to go away.
Actually it's three at once, and I think even old Lloyd George himself would have struggled with that! (Anyway I understand he preferred whores to horses.)
On topic, what this surely does show is that there is no good widely accepted outcome to the situation we are now in. If the government tries to do a reverse ferret and stay in, there will be the same groundswell of opposition to the EU there always has been, while if they continue to pull us out those who voted Remain will still be unreconciled to that decision.
I will confess that does surprise me a bit because even as a Remainer my impression was the EU was always barely tolerated and certainly not widely liked - indeed that was one of the rationales for the referendum was it not, to ensure that there was a clear and unambiguous mandate for continued EU membership after years of sniping and division? But on this evidence it seems it was considerably more popular in and of itself than I had realised.
I am with you there. But I think we often project our own opinions onto other people. I was surprised that my parents were considering voting to leave. I thought everyone would agree that was too radical a step to take. I was even more surprised by my children's attitude. They regard leaving as not so much a bad move but as clinically insane. This issue is not so much polarising as totally separating. It's like leavers and remainers have lived on different planets and have so little understanding of one another they can't even talk to each other meaningfully.
I think this post is very perceptive.
It leads me to wonder whether PB Leavers think that once we have left, Europe will no longer be an issue? Might it be that leaving just swaps a disgruntled and persistent Europhobe movement for an equally disgruntled and persistent Europhile one?
Good points these. I play cricket with a friend who is generally very Conservative but of my generation (30ish). We differ on almost everything except Brexit (and Corbyn, but that's another story). We both think It's bonkers for very different reasons. Him, an accountant, because It's a needlessly reckless gamble with a political and economic settlement that was imperfect but generally allowed people to get on in a society that generally let Britain flourish, me because I think it will destroy future social and economic progress.
Is this true? It seems altogether rather too convenient.
Have to wonder what goes through someone's mind when they are trawling through eight years of someone's twitter feed.
Probably 'Why the hell have they appointed this dick? I seem to recall his dickishness was on rampant and abundant display on twitter, let's see if I remember right.'
Is this true? It seems altogether rather too convenient.
Have to wonder what goes through someone's mind when they are trawling through eight years of someone's twitter feed.
Probably 'Why the hell have they appointed this dick? I seem to recall his dickishness was on rampant and abundant display on twitter, let's see if I remember right.'
I'd believe that more if the tweet was from a few months ago.
Is this true? It seems altogether rather too convenient.
Have to wonder what goes through someone's mind when they are trawling through eight years of someone's twitter feed.
The Tories, correctly, had a good old hoot at Jared O'Mara under identical circumstances not long ago, so there's not much they can say. Silly old Toby has lost them that moral card.
Is this true? It seems altogether rather too convenient.
Have to wonder what goes through someone's mind when they are trawling through eight years of someone's twitter feed.
Probably 'Why the hell have they appointed this dick? I seem to recall his dickishness was on rampant and abundant display on twitter, let's see if I remember right.'
I'd believe that more if the tweet was from a few months ago.
The story is that he’s deleted thousands of his old tweets.
Is this true? It seems altogether rather too convenient.
Have to wonder what goes through someone's mind when they are trawling through eight years of someone's twitter feed.
The Tories, correctly, had a good old hoot at Jared O'Mara under identical circumstances not long ago, so there's not much they can say. Silly old Toby has lost them that moral card.
I had thought the Jared O'Mara tweets were a little worse than saying someone has got big tits?
Actually it's three at once, and I think even old Lloyd George himself would have struggled with that! (Anyway I understand he preferred whores to horses.)
On topic, what this surely does show is that there is no good widely accepted outcome to the situation we are now in. If the government tries to do a reverse ferret and stay in, there will be the same groundswell of opposition to the EU there always has been, while if they continue to pull us out those who voted Remain will still be unreconciled to that decision.
I will confess that does surprise me a bit because even as a Remainer my impression was the EU was always barely tolerated and certainly not widely liked - indeed that was one of the rationales for the referendum was it not, to ensure that there was a clear and unambiguous mandate for continued EU membership after years of sniping and division? But on this evidence it seems it was considerably more popular in and of itself than I had realised.
I am with you there. But I think we often project our own .
I think this post is very perceptive.
It leads me to wonder whether PB Leavers think that once we have left, Europe will no longer be an issue? Might it be that leaving just swaps a disgruntled and persistent Europhobe movement for an equally disgruntled and persistent Europhile one?
Good points these. I play cricket with a friend who is generally very Conservative but of my generation (30ish). We differ on almost everything except Brexit (and Corbyn, but that's another story). We both think It's bonkers for very different reasons. Him, an accountant, because It's a needlessly reckless gamble with a political and economic settlement that was imperfect but generally allowed people to get on in a society that generally let Britain flourish, me because I think it will destroy future social and economic progress.
I think the Leavers who casually dismiss the idea that the EU can never establish a demos, of people who feel strongly European in nature, are in for a surprise. Not a majority, but a surprisingly large minority, and quite likely to be one growing in size. Brexit was an age phenomenon more than a class one. Even working class voters broke for Remain under 35.
Is this true? It seems altogether rather too convenient.
Have to wonder what goes through someone's mind when they are trawling through eight years of someone's twitter feed.
Probably 'Why the hell have they appointed this dick? I seem to recall his dickishness was on rampant and abundant display on twitter, let's see if I remember right.'
I'd believe that more if the tweet was from a few months ago.
The story is that he’s deleted thousands of his old tweets.
Is this true? It seems altogether rather too convenient.
Have to wonder what goes through someone's mind when they are trawling through eight years of someone's twitter feed.
Probably 'Why the hell have they appointed this dick? I seem to recall his dickishness was on rampant and abundant display on twitter, let's see if I remember right.'
I'd believe that more if the tweet was from a few months ago.
The story is that he’s deleted thousands of his old tweets.
Ah, hadn't seen that he had deleted them. Surely that just brings attention to them?
Is this true? It seems altogether rather too convenient.
Have to wonder what goes through someone's mind when they are trawling through eight years of someone's twitter feed.
Probably 'Why the hell have they appointed this dick? I seem to recall his dickishness was on rampant and abundant display on twitter, let's see if I remember right.'
I'd believe that more if the tweet was from a few months ago.
The story is that he’s deleted thousands of his old tweets.
Sounds like he made too many tweets. However, in his case he was already a twat.
Is this true? It seems altogether rather too convenient.
Have to wonder what goes through someone's mind when they are trawling through eight years of someone's twitter feed.
Probably 'Why the hell have they appointed this dick? I seem to recall his dickishness was on rampant and abundant display on twitter, let's see if I remember right.'
I'd believe that more if the tweet was from a few months ago.
The story is that he’s deleted thousands of his old tweets.
50,000 apparently.
What was it David Cameron said about too many tweets?
Is this true? It seems altogether rather too convenient.
Have to wonder what goes through someone's mind when they are trawling through eight years of someone's twitter feed.
Probably 'Why the hell have they appointed this dick? I seem to recall his dickishness was on rampant and abundant display on twitter, let's see if I remember right.'
I'd believe that more if the tweet was from a few months ago.
The story is that he’s deleted thousands of his old tweets.
Ah, hadn't seen that he had deleted them. Surely that just brings attention to them?
That red_tory account she is replying to is pathetic given, you know, youtube exists and you can see the 2009 Oscars on it and who is sitting next to Danny Boyle. No need to throw out hypotheticals at all.
Jack Sargeant has been selected as Labour candidate for Alyn and Deeside by-election (Welsh Assembly). He's the 23 year old son of the AM whose suicide caused the by-election
Although the use of the word “minor” in capital letters clearly intended to imply someone under the age of consent
As she was at the Oscars in LA, she was.
Although there’s some dispute in the tweet responses as to whether girl was 18/19 or 17.
I don’t really care - it’s an unpleasant thing to say - but I don’t think the age actually changes much. It was an attempt to make the offence seem worse
That red_tory account she is replying to is pathetic given, you know, youtube exists and you can see the 2009 Oscars on it and who is sitting next to Danny Boyle. No need to throw out hypotheticals at all.
Is it better to make lecherous comments about a famous director's wife, or his daughter?
just checking as I want my CV up to date for a government quango sinecure.
"During an active life he was instrumental in shaping Labour Party thinking. When secretary of the policy committee of the Labour Party he was responsible for drafting "Let Us Face the Future", Labour's manifesto for the 1945 general election,[1] was a leading protagonist on social reform, and founded or helped found a number of socially useful organisations."
Actually it's three at once, and I think even old Lloyd George himself would have struggled with that! (Anyway I understand he preferred whores to horses.)
I will confess that does surprise me a bit because even as a Remainer my impression was the EU was always barely tolerated and certainly not widely liked - indeed that was one of the rationales for the referendum was it not, to ensure that there was a clear and unambiguous mandate for continued EU membership after years of sniping and division? But on this evidence it seems it was considerably more popular in and of itself than I had realised.
I am with you there. But I think we often project our own .
I think this post is very perceptive.
It leads me to wonder whether PB Leavers think that once we have left, Europe will no longer be an issue? Might it be that leaving just swaps a disgruntled and persistent Europhobe movement for an equally disgruntled and persistent Europhile one?
Good points these. I play cricket with a friend who is generally very Conservative but of my generation (30ish). We differ on almost everything except Brexit (and Corbyn, but that's another story). We both think It's bonkers for very different reasons. Him, an accountant, because It's a needlessly reckless gamble with a political and economic settlement that was imperfect but generally allowed people to get on in a society that generally let Britain flourish, me because I think it will destroy future social and economic progress.
I think the Leavers who casually dismiss the idea that the EU can never establish a demos, of people who feel strongly European in nature, are in for a surprise. Not a majority, but a surprisingly large minority, and quite likely to be one growing in size. Brexit was an age phenomenon more than a class one. Even working class voters broke for Remain under 35.
Things like this, while they may be easily dismissed as silly, show that something meaningful is happening at a grassroots level. This would have been unthinkable before 2016, but now pro-Europeans have a real political causus belli.
Jack Sargeant has been selected as Labour candidate for Alyn and Deeside by-election (Welsh Assembly). He's the 23 year old son of the AM whose suicide caused the by-election
That is good news.
The death of Carl Sargeant is a murky affair typical of Corruption Bay, I mean, Cardiff Bay.
I hope Jack can discover the truth (no matter what it is).
Actually it's three at once, and I think even old Lloyd George himself would have struggled with that! (Anyway I understand he preferred whores to horses.)
On topic, what this surely does show is that there is no good widely accepted outcome to the situation we are now in. If the government tries to do a reverse ferret and stay in, there will be the same groundswell of opposition to the EU there always has been, while if they continue to pull us out those who voted Remain will still be unreconciled to that decision.
I will confess that does surprise me a bit because even as a Remainer my impression was the EU was always barely tolerated and certainly not widely liked - indeed that was one of the rationales for the referendum was it not, to ensure that there was a clear and unambiguous mandate for continued EU membership after years of sniping and division? But on this evidence it seems it was considerably more popular in and of itself than I had realised.
I am with you there. But I think we often project our own opinions onto other people. I was surprised that my parents were considering voting to leave. I thought everyone would agree that was too radical a step to take. I was even more surprised by my children's attitude. They regard leaving as not so much a bad move but as clinically insane. This issue is not so much polarising as totally separating. It's like leavers and remainers have lived on different planets and have so little understanding of one another they can't even talk to each other meaningfully.
Leavers and Remainers have different concepts of freedom. You can't get more fundamental than that. For many Leavers freedom is asserting control by putting limits on things. For many Remainers freedom is liberty to do what you want, to go where you want without restriction. Control versus rights. For many Remainers, Freedom of Movement is what it says - freedom and movement. For many Leavers Freedom of Movement is a threat and imposition that needs to be controlled.
Edit and I should say this difference of ideas has almost nothing to do with the EU itself.
I think it's more that Leavers think that national electorates should be entitled to take decisions that minorities disagree with. Remainers think that national majorities should not be entitled to take decisions that conflict with rights that the EU guarantees.
I am with you there. But I think we often project our own opinions onto other people. I was surprised that my parents were considering voting to leave. I thought everyone would agree that was too radical a step to take. I was even more surprised by my children's attitude. They regard leaving as not so much a bad move but as clinically insane. This issue is not so much polarising as totally separating. It's like leavers and remainers have lived on different planets and have so little understanding of one another they can't even talk to each other meaningfully.
I think this post is very perceptive.
It leads me to wonder whether PB Leavers think that once we have left, Europe will no longer be an issue? Might it be that leaving just swaps a disgruntled and persistent Europhobe movement for an equally disgruntled and persistent Europhile one?
This above all is why Leavers who think the EU is a good thing for other countries but not for us because of their sense of British exceptionalism are wrong to pursue Brexit. There are simply too many people who see the world differently and in a democracy, their views cannot be suppressed.
Actually it's three at once, and I think even old Lloyd George himself would have struggled with that! (Anyway I understand he preferred whores to horses.)
On topic, what this surely does show is that there is no good widely accepted outcome to the situation we are now in. If the government tries to do a reverse ferret and stay in, there will be the same groundswell of opposition to the EU there always has been, while if they continue to pull us out those who voted Remain will still be unreconciled to that decision.
I will confess that does surprise me a bit because even as a Remainer my impression was the EU was always barely tolerated and certainly not widely liked - indeed that was one of the rationales for the referendum was it not, to ensure that there was a clear and unambiguous mandate for continued EU membership after years of sniping and division? But on this evidence it seems it was considerably more popular in and of itself than I had realised.
I am with you there. But I think we often project our own opinions onto other people. I was surprised that my parents were considering voting to leave. I thought everyone would agree that was too radical a step to take. I was even more surprised by my children's attitude. They regard leaving as not so much a bad move but as clinically insane. This issue is not so much polarising as totally separating. It's like leavers and remainers have lived on different planets and have so little understanding of one another they can't even talk to each other meaningfully.
Leavers and Remainers have different concepts of freedom. You can't get more fundamental than that. For many Leavers freedom is asserting control by putting limits on things. For many Remainers freedom is liberty to do what you want, to go where you want without restriction. Control versus rights. For many Remainers, Freedom of Movement is what it says - freedom and movement. For many Leavers Freedom of Movement is a threat and imposition that needs to be controlled.
Edit and I should say this difference of ideas has almost nothing to do with the EU itself.
I think it's more that Leavers think that national electorates should be entitled to take decisions that minorities disagree with. Remainers think that national majorities should not be entitled to take decisions that conflict with rights that the EU guarantees.
Actually it's three at once, and I think even old Lloyd George himself would have struggled with that! (Anyway I understand he preferred whores to horses.)
On topic, what this surely does show is that there is no good widely accepted outcome to the situation we are now in. If the government tries to do a reverse ferret and stay in, there will be the same groundswell of opposition to the EU there always has been, while if they continue to pull us out those who voted Remain will still be unreconciled to that decision.
I will confess that does surprise me a bit because even as a Remainer my impression was the EU was always barely tolerated and certainly not widely liked - indeed that was one of the rationales for the referendum was it not, to ensure that there was a clear and unambiguous mandate for continued EU membership after years of sniping and division? But on this evidence it seems it was considerably more popular in and of itself than I had realised.
I am with you there. But I think we often project our own opinions onto other people. I was surprised that my parents were considering voting to leave. I thought everyone would agree that was too radical a step to take. I was even more surprised by my children's attitude. They regard leaving as not so much a bad move but as clinically insane. This issue is not so much polarising as totally separating. It's like leavers and remainers have lived on different planets and have so little understanding of one another they can't even talk to each other meaningfully.
Leavers and Remainers have different concepts of freedom. You can't get more fundamental than that. For many Leavers freedom is asserting control by putting limits on things. For many Remainers freedom is liberty to do what you want, to go where you want without restriction. Control versus rights. For many Remainers, Freedom of Movement is what it says - freedom and movement. For many Leavers Freedom of Movement is a threat and imposition that needs to be controlled.
Edit and I should say this difference of ideas has almost nothing to do with the EU itself.
So you wouldn't have any complaints if other people took the liberty to freely move into your property ?
Of course there is a difference between an individual's personal property and a more general location.
But then there are varying degrees of attachment people feel to general locations - the issue of 'somewhere people and nowhere people'.
Leavers and Remainers have different concepts of freedom. You can't get more fundamental than that. For many Leavers freedom is asserting control by putting limits on things. For many Remainers freedom is liberty to do what you want, to go where you want without restriction. Control versus rights. For many Remainers, Freedom of Movement is what it says - freedom and movement. For many Leavers Freedom of Movement is a threat and imposition that needs to be controlled.
Edit and I should say this difference of ideas has almost nothing to do with the EU itself.
So you wouldn't have any complaints if other people took the liberty to freely move into your property ?
Of course there is a difference between an individual's personal property and a more general location.
But then there are varying degrees of attachment people feel to general locations - the issue of 'somewhere people and nowhere people'.
I can do more or less what I like with my property. A more interesting question is whether I have any right to stop people moving into YOUR property.
Leavers and Remainers have different concepts of freedom. You can't get more fundamental than that. For many Leavers freedom is asserting control by putting limits on things. For many Remainers freedom is liberty to do what you want, to go where you want without restriction. Control versus rights. For many Remainers, Freedom of Movement is what it says - freedom and movement. For many Leavers Freedom of Movement is a threat and imposition that needs to be controlled.
Edit and I should say this difference of ideas has almost nothing to do with the EU itself.
So you wouldn't have any complaints if other people took the liberty to freely move into your property ?
Of course there is a difference between an individual's personal property and a more general location.
But then there are varying degrees of attachment people feel to general locations - the issue of 'somewhere people and nowhere people'.
I can do more or less what I like with my property. A more interesting question is whether I have any right to stop people moving into YOUR property.
And an even more interesting question is whether you have the right to force people to allow others to move into their property while stopping those people from moving into your own property.
Because that's what the combined effect of freedom of movement and living costs resulted in.
It has not been upper middle class areas which saw the influx of the least desirable migrants for example.
Now consider if, like taxation, the costs of immigration were paid proportionally.
So that immigrants are housed and employed proportionally most in the most affluent areas and very little in deprived areas.
I wonder how that would affect views on freedom of movement.
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When I heard him speak in late 2016 there was a disappointment in his voice that a hard left Labour party/government was back, he thought that particular beast had been long slain and that the country had learned the lessons about how about the dangers of socialism.
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/academic-freedom-under-threat-by-chris-patten-2016-02
Young wants to leave the EU. That'll make him really popular with the educated youth vote.
For what it's worth much of what you say is right, I think, however it's a mere scrap of the big picture. Why should we value a £20 note versus a Bitcoin? I think it's worth getting out of a currency mindset and thinking about why it's clear people want to buy a square meter in London versus anywhere else. Then work backwards.
The price suggests that London will be by far and away the most important place on the planet, and that the defining thing is holding wealth. As such the basic exchange medium become 1msq of London. This replaces the previous barrel of WTI.
Here is a prime example of what a joke the BBC has become - 10 minutes ago during half time in the Arsenal Chelsea game, Jonathan Overend was interviewed ahead of the Sydney Test Match starting tonight at 11.30pm UK time. He said the weather was very grey and cloudy with steady drizzle at the moment. I then take a look at the weather forecast for Sydney on the BBC website and come up with this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2147714
That's right - bright sunshine at 8am in the morning, in around 5 minutes time.
Not to mention how silent BBC News 24 has been over the past week about the widespread freezing weather in the eastern US right down to the Southern states, which has been breaking many records including snowfall and cold. You really couldn't make it up could you!
It leads me to wonder whether PB Leavers think that once we have left, Europe will no longer be an issue? Might it be that leaving just swaps a disgruntled and persistent Europhobe movement for an equally disgruntled and persistent Europhile one?
The people - they'd settle for peace and prosperity. Can you imagine yourself really claiming a place that you have never lived as your own?
Edit and I should say this difference of ideas has almost nothing to do with the EU itself.
https://twitter.com/wordsbyana/status/948342797400264704
And if you think that Palestinians would settle for peace without land, you cannot have met many.
BB 'Big Brother is always here'
Rachel Johnson 'Story of my life'
Very telling!
https://www.buzzfeed.com/matthewchampion/toby-young-has-deleted-tens-of-thousands-of-old-tweets?utm_term=.qmOlXO2ggL#.le9lnm1AAz
I don’t really care - it’s an unpleasant thing to say - but I don’t think the age actually changes much. It was an attempt to make the offence seem worse
https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/948673589729005570
just checking as I want my CV up to date for a government quango sinecure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Young,_Baron_Young_of_Dartington
"During an active life he was instrumental in shaping Labour Party thinking. When secretary of the policy committee of the Labour Party he was responsible for drafting "Let Us Face the Future", Labour's manifesto for the 1945 general election,[1] was a leading protagonist on social reform, and founded or helped found a number of socially useful organisations."
http://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/15804684.UPDATE__EU_flags_appear_across_county_in__peaceful_protest_/
If hookers, cocaine and outright fibs - e.g. Keith Vaz - are no bar to high office, I'm not entirely sure why a juvenile sense of humour should be.
The death of Carl Sargeant is a murky affair typical of Corruption Bay, I mean, Cardiff Bay.
I hope Jack can discover the truth (no matter what it is).
Posted without comment.
https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/948678849759412224
NEW THREAD
Of course there is a difference between an individual's personal property and a more general location.
But then there are varying degrees of attachment people feel to general locations - the issue of 'somewhere people and nowhere people'.
Because that's what the combined effect of freedom of movement and living costs resulted in.
It has not been upper middle class areas which saw the influx of the least desirable migrants for example.
Now consider if, like taxation, the costs of immigration were paid proportionally.
So that immigrants are housed and employed proportionally most in the most affluent areas and very little in deprived areas.
I wonder how that would affect views on freedom of movement.