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  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 14,574
    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    So DD hangs on too. There's got to be one high-profile sacking surely. If not Boris, Hammond or DD then what about Gove or Fox?

    Even though I despise Boris, Fox is the most obnoxious person in politics. To coin a phrase the guy is an an utter c*nt. As someone of Sri Lankan Tamil heritage, he should be no-where near the levers of power...
    McDonnell gets that award
    As ever, Big_G, you miss the point....
    Not really
    Yes, you do. Read up on Liam Fox and educate yourself...
    Do not patronise me
    I am not patronising you - I just want you to educate yourself.

    For your information, Liam Fox is an enemy of progress and an enemy of the Sri Lankan Tamil people. While David Cameron, William Hague and many other MPs from all political parties were trying to get a fair and just settlement by putting pressure on the then Sri Lankan Government of alleged war criminal Mahinda Rajapaksa, Liam Fox and a few other obnoxious Tory politicians (e.g. Lord Naseby) were cosying up to the said regime.

    So, yes in my opinion and hopefully the opinion of many others, Liam Fox is the most obnoxious person in British politics.
    McDonnell owns that title lock, stock and barrel
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 2,026
    edited January 8

    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    So DD hangs on too. There's got to be one high-profile sacking surely. If not Boris, Hammond or DD then what about Gove or Fox?

    Even though I despise Boris, Fox is the most obnoxious person in politics. To coin a phrase the guy is an an utter c*nt. As someone of Sri Lankan Tamil heritage, he should be no-where near the levers of power...
    McDonnell gets that award
    As ever, Big_G, you miss the point....
    Not really
    Yes, you do. Read up on Liam Fox and educate yourself...
    Do not patronise me
    I am not patronising you - I just want you to educate yourself.

    For your information, Liam Fox is an enemy of progress and an enemy of the Sri Lankan Tamil people. While David Cameron, William Hague and many other MPs from all political parties were trying to get a fair and just settlement by putting pressure on the then Sri Lankan Government of alleged war criminal Mahinda Rajapaksa, Liam Fox and a few other obnoxious Tory politicians (e.g. Lord Naseby) were cosying up to the said regime.

    So, yes in my opinion and hopefully the opinion of many others, Liam Fox is the most obnoxious person in British politics.
    McDonnell owns that title lock, stock and barrel
    I simply give up!

    You are quite simply the most partisan poster on here and that's saying something...

    Do you work for CCHQ?
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 948
    Rather disappointed in the renaming of DCLG. Cosmetic change, and it means both that Housing won't get the extra attention it needs and local government is deprioritised. However Sajid Javid seems like a decent enough incumbent.

    If it was up to me, I'd have a department for devolution covering all tiers of gvt - city deals, local government, Wales NI and Scotland all in one department together for a joined up approach. Then a second for Housing and Communities to lead on Housing, planning and the civil society aspects of DCLG.

    Separating planning appeals and local government oversight would help streamline relations as well - it's a major conflict negotiating with Gvt on e.g. housing when the same decision maker is considering large scale controversial planning appeals.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 14,574
    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    So DD hangs on too. There's got to be one high-profile sacking surely. If not Boris, Hammond or DD then what about Gove or Fox?

    Even though I despise Boris, Fox is the most obnoxious person in politics. To coin a phrase the guy is an an utter c*nt. As someone of Sri Lankan Tamil heritage, he should be no-where near the levers of power...
    McDonnell gets that award
    As ever, Big_G, you miss the point....
    Not really
    Yes, you do. Read up on Liam Fox and educate yourself...
    Do not patronise me
    I am not patronising you - I just want you to educate yourself.

    For your information, Liam Fox is an enemy of progress and an enemy of the Sri Lankan Tamil people. While David Cameron, William Hague and many other MPs from all political parties were trying to get a fair and just settlement by putting pressure on the then Sri Lankan Government of alleged war criminal Mahinda Rajapaksa, Liam Fox and a few other obnoxious Tory politicians (e.g. Lord Naseby) were cosying up to the said regime.

    So, yes in my opinion and hopefully the opinion of many others, Liam Fox is the most obnoxious person in British politics.
    McDonnell owns that title lock, stock and barrel
    I simply give up!

    You are quite simply the most partisan poster on here and that's saying something...

    Do you work for CCHQ?
    I think you are finding it difficult to realise that to many of us McDonnell is just off the scale of decency. You need to see his comments about Esther McVey and many other objectionable incidents he has been involved in
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 3,151

    Boris Johnson confirmed in place

    — Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) January 8, 2018

    Sad
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 897
    tpfkar said:

    If it was up to me, I'd have a department for devolution covering all tiers of gvt - city deals, local government, Wales NI and Scotland all in one department together for a joined up approach.

    It could be called the Department for Administrative Affairs.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 37,213
    rpjs said:

    It could be called the Department for Administrative Affairs.

    DoSAC
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 20,812
    At what point can I claim that this reshuffle would be much ado about nothing is vindicated? Its looking desperately dull at the moment.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 11,364
    Barnesian said:

    Boris Johnson confirmed in place

    — Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) January 8, 2018

    Sad

    +1
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 20,130
    DavidL said:

    At what point can I claim that this reshuffle would be much ado about nothing is vindicated? Its looking desperately dull at the moment.

    It's two days late for Twelfth Night.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 29,057
    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    So DD hangs on too. There's got to be one high-profile sacking surely. If not Boris, Hammond or DD then what about Gove or Fox?

    Even though I despise Boris, Fox is the most obnoxious person in politics. To coin a phrase the guy is an an utter c*nt. As someone of Sri Lankan Tamil heritage, he should be no-where near the levers of power...
    McDonnell gets that award
    As ever, Big_G, you miss the point....
    Not really
    Yes, you do. Read up on Liam Fox and educate yourself...
    Do not patronise me
    I am not patronising you - I just want you to educate yourself.

    For your information, Liam Fox is an enemy of progress and an enemy of the Sri Lankan Tamil people. While David Cameron, William Hague and many other MPs from all political parties were trying to get a fair and just settlement by putting pressure on the then Sri Lankan Government of alleged war criminal Mahinda Rajapaksa, Liam Fox and a few other obnoxious Tory politicians (e.g. Lord Naseby) were cosying up to the said regime.

    So, yes in my opinion and hopefully the opinion of many others, Liam Fox is the most obnoxious person in British politics.
    McDonnell owns that title lock, stock and barrel
    Do you work for CCHQ?
    Next desk to me....
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 20,812
    I think the only surprise so far is the appointment of an F1 driver as Chairman of the Tory party: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 11,364
    Hunt ought to be leaving No10 soon. If hasn’t gone out the back way already!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 19,031
    DavidL said:

    At what point can I claim that this reshuffle would be much ado about nothing is vindicated? Its looking desperately dull at the moment.

    It really does typify how useless this bunch of donkeys are. May makes Brown look like a towering genius as PM. Easily the worst PM in history.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 5,544
    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    So DD hangs on too. There's got to be one high-profile sacking surely. If not Boris, Hammond or DD then what about Gove or Fox?

    Even though I despise Boris, Fox is the most obnoxious person in politics. To coin a phrase the guy is an an utter c*nt. As someone of Sri Lankan Tamil heritage, he should be no-where near the levers of power...
    McDonnell gets that award
    As ever, Big_G, you miss the point....
    Not really
    Yes, you do. Read up on Liam Fox and educate yourself...
    Do not patronise me
    I am not patronising you - I just want you to educate yourself.

    For your information, Liam Fox is an enemy of progress and an enemy of the Sri Lankan Tamil people. While David Cameron, William Hague and many other MPs from all political parties were trying to get a fair and just settlement by putting pressure on the then Sri Lankan Government of alleged war criminal Mahinda Rajapaksa, Liam Fox and a few other obnoxious Tory politicians (e.g. Lord Naseby) were cosying up to the said regime.

    So, yes in my opinion and hopefully the opinion of many others, Liam Fox is the most obnoxious person in British politics.
    How horrible, fantastic, incredible it is that we should be debating a quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing. What we do know, though, is that Rajapaksa's alleged victims were LTTE members. The expression "had it coming" springs forcibly to mind.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 11,364
    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    At what point can I claim that this reshuffle would be much ado about nothing is vindicated? Its looking desperately dull at the moment.

    It really does typify how useless this bunch of donkeys are. May makes Brown look like a towering genius as PM. Easily the worst PM in history.
    No; have to go some to beat Dave.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 10,200
    edited January 8
    Has anybody actually been reshuffled yet?

    In government, as opposed to the Tory party?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 20,812

    DavidL said:

    At what point can I claim that this reshuffle would be much ado about nothing is vindicated? Its looking desperately dull at the moment.

    It's two days late for Twelfth Night.
    Well its certainly not a Tempest.
  • Torby_FennelTorby_Fennel Posts: 292



    I think you are finding it difficult to realise that to many of us McDonnell is just off the scale of decency. You need to see his comments about Esther McVey and many other objectionable incidents he has been involved in

    I'm a Lib Dem and I completely agree with that. The thought of McDonnell holding any kind of power is a very scary one indeed. All parties contain a few really bad people though, of course.

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 14,574
    DavidL said:

    At what point can I claim that this reshuffle would be much ado about nothing is vindicated? Its looking desperately dull at the moment.

    On the face of it I agree but Brendon Lewis and James Cleverly will inject a new sense of purpose, David Lidington is a safe pair of hands, and beefing up DCLG with emphasis on Housing is a good move. Other appointments will no doubt follow and it needs to be judged in the round after tomorrow's junior promotions
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 29,057

    This is a surprise:



    I'd expected the government to see quite an improvement after the December staging post was reached.

    Only if people are paying attention - which they’re not - so they’re missing the entire psychodrama that consumes anoraks. I suspect all voters are (generally) interested in is “getting on with it” and “not cocking it up” which so far appears to be largely the case.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 14,574

    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    So DD hangs on too. There's got to be one high-profile sacking surely. If not Boris, Hammond or DD then what about Gove or Fox?

    Even though I despise Boris, Fox is the most obnoxious person in politics. To coin a phrase the guy is an an utter c*nt. As someone of Sri Lankan Tamil heritage, he should be no-where near the levers of power...
    McDonnell gets that award
    As ever, Big_G, you miss the point....
    Not really
    Yes, you do. Read up on Liam Fox and educate yourself...
    Do not patronise me
    I am not patronising you - I just want you to educate yourself.

    For your information, Liam Fox is an enemy of progress and an enemy of the Sri Lankan Tamil people. While David Cameron, William Hague and many other MPs from all political parties were trying to get a fair and just settlement by putting pressure on the then Sri Lankan Government of alleged war criminal Mahinda Rajapaksa, Liam Fox and a few other obnoxious Tory politicians (e.g. Lord Naseby) were cosying up to the said regime.

    So, yes in my opinion and hopefully the opinion of many others, Liam Fox is the most obnoxious person in British politics.
    McDonnell owns that title lock, stock and barrel
    Do you work for CCHQ?
    Next desk to me....
    +1
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 29,057
    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    At what point can I claim that this reshuffle would be much ado about nothing is vindicated? Its looking desperately dull at the moment.

    It really does typify how useless this bunch of donkeys are. May makes Brown look like a towering genius as PM. Easily the worst PM in history.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 1,447

    This is a surprise:



    I'd expected the government to see quite an improvement after the December staging post was reached.

    Only if people are paying attention - which they’re not - so they’re missing the entire psychodrama that consumes anoraks. I suspect all voters are (generally) interested in is “getting on with it” and “not cocking it up” which so far appears to be largely the case.
    Yes, you are right, "cocking it up" does indeed appear to be largely the case.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 3,522
    This exercise barely warrants the title of reshuffle at all. She could have just sacked McLoughlin and shifted the the new bods in accordingly. A rotten bloody swizz!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 43,713
    Good afternoon, my fellow Punic War enthusiasts.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 3,346

    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    So DD hangs on too. There's got to be one high-profile sacking surely. If not Boris, Hammond or DD then what about Gove or Fox?

    Even though I despise Boris, Fox is the most obnoxious person in politics. To coin a phrase the guy is an an utter c*nt. As someone of Sri Lankan Tamil heritage, he should be no-where near the levers of power...
    McDonnell gets that award
    As ever, Big_G, you miss the point....
    Not really
    Yes, you do. Read up on Liam Fox and educate yourself...
    Do not patronise me
    I am not patronising you - I just want you to educate yourself.

    For your information, Liam Fox is an enemy of progress and an enemy of the Sri Lankan Tamil people. While David Cameron, William Hague and many other MPs from all political parties were trying to get a fair and just settlement by putting pressure on the then Sri Lankan Government of alleged war criminal Mahinda Rajapaksa, Liam Fox and a few other obnoxious Tory politicians (e.g. Lord Naseby) were cosying up to the said regime.

    So, yes in my opinion and hopefully the opinion of many others, Liam Fox is the most obnoxious person in British politics.
    McDonnell owns that title lock, stock and barrel
    Do you work for CCHQ?
    Next desk to me....
    Well one has to admire both your indefatigability to the conservative cause.
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    At what point can I claim that this reshuffle would be much ado about nothing is vindicated? Its looking desperately dull at the moment.

    It's two days late for Twelfth Night.
    Well its certainly not a Tempest.
    Bit of a Winter's Tale really......but wait.

    By the pricking of my thumbs
    Jeremy Corbyn this way comes.

    Scary.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 26,620
    It is amazing that at a time of significant national need, the Tories and Labour have conspired to present us with the worst government and opposition in living memory.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 1,447
    Can someone explain to me what the point of this 'reshuffle' was exactly? A couple of complete nobodies appointed to party roles, and entirely cosmetic departmental rebrand, and all of the big offices of state left untouched. A squib of the dampest order – one only the trio of true believers – Lotta, Morty and G-Man – could love.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 20,812
    edited January 8

    DavidL said:

    At what point can I claim that this reshuffle would be much ado about nothing is vindicated? Its looking desperately dull at the moment.

    On the face of it I agree but Brendon Lewis and James Cleverly will inject a new sense of purpose, David Lidington is a safe pair of hands, and beefing up DCLG with emphasis on Housing is a good move. Other appointments will no doubt follow and it needs to be judged in the round after tomorrow's junior promotions
    I looked up David Lidington quotes. There was 1:

    "If the TTIP project fails I think that will send a really dismaying message about Europe's waning importance in world affairs, we should not pretend that that will have anything other than a damaging impact both economically and diplomatically."
    https://www.quotes.net/authors/David Lidington

    It had zero fans, funnily enough. It doesn't exactly set the pulse beating.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 11,364
    A Midwinters Night’s Dream?
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 3,522
    Surely, with all the hype, Theresa never intended it to be this much of a non event. Most likely she planned some big moves, but the cabinet stuck together ('If he goes then I go') and she was left impotent and shunned.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 5,544

    This exercise barely warrants the title of reshuffle at all. She could have just sacked McLoughlin and shifted the the new bods in accordingly. A rotten bloody swizz!

    Interesting to see whether Mercer and/or Mogg gets something tomorrow.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 14,574
    Anazina said:

    Can someone explain to me what the point of this 'reshuffle' was exactly? A couple of complete nobodies appointed to party roles, and entirely cosmetic departmental rebrand, and all of the big offices of state left untouched. A squib of the dampest order – one only the trio of true believers – Lotta, Morty and G-Man – could love.

    You would have been anti no matter what TM did unless of course she decided to ignore the democratic vote of the Country and announce she would reverse Brexit
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 11,364
    Hunt to Norn Ireland?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 6,872

    Surely, with all the hype, Theresa never intended it to be this much of a non event. Most likely she planned some big moves, but the cabinet stuck together ('If he goes then I go') and she was left impotent and shunned.

    Yeah.... it really doesn't make sense to have built it up like this, if this was really all she intended.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 20,812
    Perhaps she wanted to be more ambitious but there was a Taming of the Shrew.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 18,424
    edited January 8
    Anazina said:

    Can someone explain to me what the point of this 'reshuffle' was exactly? A couple of complete nobodies appointed to party roles, and entirely cosmetic departmental rebrand, and all of the big offices of state left untouched. A squib of the dampest order – one only the trio of true believers – Lotta, Morty and G-Man – could love.

    Clearly the point of it is to give people like you the opportunity to rubbish it, irrespective of what it actually comprised.

    So far it's a minor reshuffle, unsurprisingly given the circumstances, but it seems sensible enough. It's not like one of Blair's idiotic games of musical chairs which moved ministers around just at the point where there might be some small risk that they'd be about to master their briefs.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 14,574

    Hunt to Norn Ireland?

    Source maybe
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 8,572

    Hunt to Norn Ireland?

    And back out to 100/1
  • marke09marke09 Posts: 827

    Tom Newton Dunn
    ‏Verified account @tnewtondunn
    1m1 minute ago

    Another clue: is Jeremy Hunt about to be made Business Secretary? His DoH deputy Philip Dunne is responding to a Commons UQ on his behalf now.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 11,364

    Hunt to Norn Ireland?

    Source maybe
    Really! I’m just hoping there’s something dramatic, or even interesting, to come!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 13,665
    edited January 8
    If I was an in position minister, I would feel in some way demeaned by this farrago.

    It just seems bumbling and unfocused. Why take a whole day to do f**k all?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 14,574

    Hunt to Norn Ireland?

    Source maybe
    Really! I’m just hoping there’s something dramatic, or even interesting, to come!
    I agree one big headline is needed
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 3,346

    It is amazing that at a time of significant national need, the Tories and Labour have conspired to present us with the worst government and opposition in living memory.

    Hardly a conspiracy Cameron called the referendum and threw the dice up in the air.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 1,447

    Anazina said:

    Can someone explain to me what the point of this 'reshuffle' was exactly? A couple of complete nobodies appointed to party roles, and entirely cosmetic departmental rebrand, and all of the big offices of state left untouched. A squib of the dampest order – one only the trio of true believers – Lotta, Morty and G-Man – could love.

    Clearly the point of it is to give people like you the opportunity to rubbish it, irrespective of what it actually comprised.

    So far it's a minor reshuffle, unsurprisingly given the circumstances, but it seems sensible enough. It's not like one of Blair's idiotic games of musical chairs which moved ministers around just at the point where there might be some small risk that they'd be about to master their briefs.
    Hmm. I wonder if there is more to it than meets the eye? Why would No. 10 have ramped it up so much if it this really was the intention? Even they aren't that bad at media management. I sniff a rat!!
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 3,197
    marke09 said:


    Tom Newton Dunn
    ‏Verified account @tnewtondunn
    1m1 minute ago

    Another clue: is Jeremy Hunt about to be made Business Secretary? His DoH deputy Philip Dunne is responding to a Commons UQ on his behalf now.

    Pretty standard for junior ministers to respond to UQs.

    But that's not to say.....
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 20,812
    O/T Jaguar sales up 20% in a year: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42603271

    Impressive.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 5,975

    A Midwinters Night’s Dream?

    We're all going to wake up soon.
    Brexit and Trump was just a dream.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 11,501
    edited January 8
    DavidL said:

    Its looking desperately dull at the moment.

    A bit like Theresa herself? ;)
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 6,380
    Never mind Night of the Long Knives, this is Afternoon of the Short on Substance.

    #CallthisaReshuffle?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 13,665
    edited January 8

    Anazina said:

    Can someone explain to me what the point of this 'reshuffle' was exactly? A couple of complete nobodies appointed to party roles, and entirely cosmetic departmental rebrand, and all of the big offices of state left untouched. A squib of the dampest order – one only the trio of true believers – Lotta, Morty and G-Man – could love.

    Clearly the point of it is to give people like you the opportunity to rubbish it, irrespective of what it actually comprised.

    So far it's a minor reshuffle, unsurprisingly given the circumstances, but it seems sensible enough. It's not like one of Blair's idiotic games of musical chairs which moved ministers around just at the point where there might be some small risk that they'd be about to master their briefs.
    Then someone, be it the govt's PR, or marketing, or communications directors are at fault.

    If it is not a Reshuffle fair enough, in which case expectations should have been managed down ("the right team in place but that's not to say we won't be welcoming new blood...") or it should have been all done by midday and they could move on.

    As it is, they allowed the build up of expectations, and then have dashed those expectations (of new blood, of a change, of clearing out the Augean stables, of whatever...) with a hugely underwhelming teeny tiny change dragged out over two days.

    So far...
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 13,665
    DavidL said:

    O/T Jaguar sales up 20% in a year: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42603271

    Impressive.

    Well gin has certainly come back into fashion of late, no reason why Jags shouldn't...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 20,812

    A Midwinters Night’s Dream?

    We're all going to wake up soon.
    Brexit and Trump was just a dream.
    David Cameron comes out of the shower.....
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 18,424
    TOPPING said:

    Anazina said:

    Can someone explain to me what the point of this 'reshuffle' was exactly? A couple of complete nobodies appointed to party roles, and entirely cosmetic departmental rebrand, and all of the big offices of state left untouched. A squib of the dampest order – one only the trio of true believers – Lotta, Morty and G-Man – could love.

    Clearly the point of it is to give people like you the opportunity to rubbish it, irrespective of what it actually comprised.

    So far it's a minor reshuffle, unsurprisingly given the circumstances, but it seems sensible enough. It's not like one of Blair's idiotic games of musical chairs which moved ministers around just at the point where there might be some small risk that they'd be about to master their briefs.
    Then someone, be it the govt's PR, or marketing, or communications directors are at fault.

    If it is not a Reshuffle fair enough, in which case expectations should have been managed down ("the right team in place but that's not to say we won't be welcoming new blood...") or it should have been all done by midday and they could move on.

    As it is, they allowed the build up of expectations, and then have dashed those expectations (of new blood, of a change, of clearing out the Augean stables, of whatever...) with a hugely underwhelming teeny tiny change dragged out over two days.

    So far...
    Not really. Most people aren't watching this minute by minute; in fact most normal people have barely noticed it is happening.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 18,098
    edited January 8

    Never mind Night of the Long Knives, this is Afternoon of the Short on Substance.

    #CallthisaReshuffle?

    Day of the Tea Spoons?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 11,501
    edited January 8
    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    O/T Jaguar sales up 20% in a year: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42603271

    Impressive.

    Well gin has certainly come back into fashion of late, no reason why Jags shouldn't...
    Did I ever go out of fashion?

    Well that there was that time OGH told off for calling George Osborne a creep...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 20,812

    TOPPING said:

    Anazina said:

    Can someone explain to me what the point of this 'reshuffle' was exactly? A couple of complete nobodies appointed to party roles, and entirely cosmetic departmental rebrand, and all of the big offices of state left untouched. A squib of the dampest order – one only the trio of true believers – Lotta, Morty and G-Man – could love.

    Clearly the point of it is to give people like you the opportunity to rubbish it, irrespective of what it actually comprised.

    So far it's a minor reshuffle, unsurprisingly given the circumstances, but it seems sensible enough. It's not like one of Blair's idiotic games of musical chairs which moved ministers around just at the point where there might be some small risk that they'd be about to master their briefs.
    Then someone, be it the govt's PR, or marketing, or communications directors are at fault.

    If it is not a Reshuffle fair enough, in which case expectations should have been managed down ("the right team in place but that's not to say we won't be welcoming new blood...") or it should have been all done by midday and they could move on.

    As it is, they allowed the build up of expectations, and then have dashed those expectations (of new blood, of a change, of clearing out the Augean stables, of whatever...) with a hugely underwhelming teeny tiny change dragged out over two days.

    So far...
    Not really. Most people aren't watching this minute by minute; in fact most normal people have barely noticed it is happening.
    It barely is.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 3,640
    JohnO said:

    marke09 said:


    Tom Newton Dunn
    ‏Verified account @tnewtondunn
    1m1 minute ago

    Another clue: is Jeremy Hunt about to be made Business Secretary? His DoH deputy Philip Dunne is responding to a Commons UQ on his behalf now.

    Pretty standard for junior ministers to respond to UQs.

    But that's not to say.....
    Of course, Labour and our well-beloved Speaker knew perfectly well that the reshuffle was taking place today - and so the placing and scheduling of the UQs would have been done to make things as uncomfortable as possible.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 18,424

    Never mind Night of the Long Knives, this is Afternoon of the Short on Substance.

    #CallthisaReshuffle?

    The Day of the Short Straws.
  • marke09marke09 Posts: 827
    She had a reception planned in No 10 between 2 and 4pm
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 13,665

    TOPPING said:

    Anazina said:

    Can someone explain to me what the point of this 'reshuffle' was exactly? A couple of complete nobodies appointed to party roles, and entirely cosmetic departmental rebrand, and all of the big offices of state left untouched. A squib of the dampest order – one only the trio of true believers – Lotta, Morty and G-Man – could love.

    Clearly the point of it is to give people like you the opportunity to rubbish it, irrespective of what it actually comprised.

    So far it's a minor reshuffle, unsurprisingly given the circumstances, but it seems sensible enough. It's not like one of Blair's idiotic games of musical chairs which moved ministers around just at the point where there might be some small risk that they'd be about to master their briefs.
    Then someone, be it the govt's PR, or marketing, or communications directors are at fault.

    If it is not a Reshuffle fair enough, in which case expectations should have been managed down ("the right team in place but that's not to say we won't be welcoming new blood...") or it should have been all done by midday and they could move on.

    As it is, they allowed the build up of expectations, and then have dashed those expectations (of new blood, of a change, of clearing out the Augean stables, of whatever...) with a hugely underwhelming teeny tiny change dragged out over two days.

    So far...
    Not really. Most people aren't watching this minute by minute; in fact most normal people have barely noticed it is happening.
    Front page of several newspapers including the most popular media website on the planet.

    dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 13,665
    edited January 8
    GIN1138 said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    O/T Jaguar sales up 20% in a year: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42603271

    Impressive.

    Well gin has certainly come back into fashion of late, no reason why Jags shouldn't...
    Did I ever go out of fashion?

    Well that there was that time OGH told off for calling George Osborne a creep...
    You are, Sir/Madam/Other, a legend. Always have been.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 11,364
    BBC now talking about Brokenshires gratitude and commenting on David Liddigton’s knowledge of Tudor history.
    Is that it?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 5,544
    TOPPING said:

    Anazina said:

    Can someone explain to me what the point of this 'reshuffle' was exactly? A couple of complete nobodies appointed to party roles, and entirely cosmetic departmental rebrand, and all of the big offices of state left untouched. A squib of the dampest order – one only the trio of true believers – Lotta, Morty and G-Man – could love.

    Clearly the point of it is to give people like you the opportunity to rubbish it, irrespective of what it actually comprised.

    So far it's a minor reshuffle, unsurprisingly given the circumstances, but it seems sensible enough. It's not like one of Blair's idiotic games of musical chairs which moved ministers around just at the point where there might be some small risk that they'd be about to master their briefs.
    Then someone, be it the govt's PR, or marketing, or communications directors are at fault.

    If it is not a Reshuffle fair enough, in which case expectations should have been managed down ("the right team in place but that's not to say we won't be welcoming new blood...") or it should have been all done by midday and they could move on.

    As it is, they allowed the build up of expectations, and then have dashed those expectations (of new blood, of a change, of clearing out the Augean stables, of whatever...) with a hugely underwhelming teeny tiny change dragged out over two days.

    So far...
    A full on Night of the Long Knives would have been fun, but TM is not NLK material. Knowing how she works, I'd say she planned something major (possibly on the unofficial advice which I bet she is still getting from Fiona and beardy), everyone from the 3 great officers of state to the downing street cat told her over the weekend that if she moved them she was dead meat, and she is now going through the motions but not actually doing anything.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 13,665
    Ishmael_Z said:

    TOPPING said:

    Anazina said:

    Can someone explain to me what the point of this 'reshuffle' was exactly? A couple of complete nobodies appointed to party roles, and entirely cosmetic departmental rebrand, and all of the big offices of state left untouched. A squib of the dampest order – one only the trio of true believers – Lotta, Morty and G-Man – could love.

    Clearly the point of it is to give people like you the opportunity to rubbish it, irrespective of what it actually comprised.

    So far it's a minor reshuffle, unsurprisingly given the circumstances, but it seems sensible enough. It's not like one of Blair's idiotic games of musical chairs which moved ministers around just at the point where there might be some small risk that they'd be about to master their briefs.
    Then someone, be it the govt's PR, or marketing, or communications directors are at fault.

    If it is not a Reshuffle fair enough, in which case expectations should have been managed down ("the right team in place but that's not to say we won't be welcoming new blood...") or it should have been all done by midday and they could move on.

    As it is, they allowed the build up of expectations, and then have dashed those expectations (of new blood, of a change, of clearing out the Augean stables, of whatever...) with a hugely underwhelming teeny tiny change dragged out over two days.

    So far...
    A full on Night of the Long Knives would have been fun, but TM is not NLK material. Knowing how she works, I'd say she planned something major (possibly on the unofficial advice which I bet she is still getting from Fiona and beardy), everyone from the 3 great officers of state to the downing street cat told her over the weekend that if she moved them she was dead meat, and she is now going through the motions but not actually doing anything.
    It just looks absurd. And whatever people may say about no one will notice, it is on every media front page both online and in real life.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 19,879

    Never mind Night of the Long Knives, this is Afternoon of the Short on Substance.

    #CallthisaReshuffle?

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Anazina said:

    Can someone explain to me what the point of this 'reshuffle' was exactly? A couple of complete nobodies appointed to party roles, and entirely cosmetic departmental rebrand, and all of the big offices of state left untouched. A squib of the dampest order – one only the trio of true believers – Lotta, Morty and G-Man – could love.

    Clearly the point of it is to give people like you the opportunity to rubbish it, irrespective of what it actually comprised.

    So far it's a minor reshuffle, unsurprisingly given the circumstances, but it seems sensible enough. It's not like one of Blair's idiotic games of musical chairs which moved ministers around just at the point where there might be some small risk that they'd be about to master their briefs.
    Then someone, be it the govt's PR, or marketing, or communications directors are at fault.

    If it is not a Reshuffle fair enough, in which case expectations should have been managed down ("the right team in place but that's not to say we won't be welcoming new blood...") or it should have been all done by midday and they could move on.

    As it is, they allowed the build up of expectations, and then have dashed those expectations (of new blood, of a change, of clearing out the Augean stables, of whatever...) with a hugely underwhelming teeny tiny change dragged out over two days.

    So far...
    Not really. Most people aren't watching this minute by minute; in fact most normal people have barely noticed it is happening.
    Front page of several newspapers including the most popular media website on the planet.

    dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
    May achieves impressive consistency in generating 'farce' headlines.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 11,364
    edited January 8
    If she’s ‘recepting’Hunt’s been kicking his heels a long time. Is Arlene having a go about whoever’s being sent to Belfast?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 14,574
    Apparently there is a pause due to a reception at no 10
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 24,532
    I'm not sure the Government doing well/badly at EU negotiations polling will substantively recover anytime soon.

    If you look at the trend, it dropped over the election campaign, when May lost her majority, and I think it's by and large a proxy for her ratings.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 13,665

    Apparently there is a pause due to a reception at no 10

    which shows a government fit for the future, doesn't it, Big G?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 24,532
    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    Anazina said:

    Can someone explain to me what the point of this 'reshuffle' was exactly? A couple of complete nobodies appointed to party roles, and entirely cosmetic departmental rebrand, and all of the big offices of state left untouched. A squib of the dampest order – one only the trio of true believers – Lotta, Morty and G-Man – could love.

    Clearly the point of it is to give people like you the opportunity to rubbish it, irrespective of what it actually comprised.

    So far it's a minor reshuffle, unsurprisingly given the circumstances, but it seems sensible enough. It's not like one of Blair's idiotic games of musical chairs which moved ministers around just at the point where there might be some small risk that they'd be about to master their briefs.
    Then someone, be it the govt's PR, or marketing, or communications directors are at fault.

    If it is not a Reshuffle fair enough, in which case expectations should have been managed down ("the right team in place but that's not to say we won't be welcoming new blood...") or it should have been all done by midday and they could move on.

    As it is, they allowed the build up of expectations, and then have dashed those expectations (of new blood, of a change, of clearing out the Augean stables, of whatever...) with a hugely underwhelming teeny tiny change dragged out over two days.

    So far...
    Not really. Most people aren't watching this minute by minute; in fact most normal people have barely noticed it is happening.
    It barely is.
    It's taking a bloody long time.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 24,532
    DavidL said:

    O/T Jaguar sales up 20% in a year: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42603271

    Impressive.

    I was one of those.

    Doing my bit for UK Plc.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 14,169

    If she’s ‘recepting’Hunt’s been kicking his heels a long time. Is Arlene having a go about whoever’s being sent to Belfast?

    Ironically, Hunt has now been waiting in a corridor for 3 hours.

    (Not my joke - shamelessly stolen from the matt cartoon)
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 6,380

    Apparently there is a pause due to a reception at no 10

    Tezzie can't even organise her diary properly. Hasn't this been blocked out as Reshuffle Day for the past month?
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 1,447
    TOPPING said:

    If I was an in position minister, I would feel in some way demeaned by this farrago.

    It just seems bumbling and unfocused. Why take a whole day to do f**k all?

    Because May doesn't have the ability to do f••k all in an hour?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 6,380

    If she’s ‘recepting’Hunt’s been kicking his heels a long time. Is Arlene having a go about whoever’s being sent to Belfast?

    Ironically, Hunt has now been waiting in a corridor for 3 hours.

    (Not my joke - shamelessly stolen from the matt cartoon)
    He would have to be lying in a pool of his own bodily fluids for the full effect.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 11,364

    If she’s ‘recepting’Hunt’s been kicking his heels a long time. Is Arlene having a go about whoever’s being sent to Belfast?

    Ironically, Hunt has now been waiting in a corridor for 3 hours.

    (Not my joke - shamelessly stolen from the matt cartoon)
    I hope they’ve given him some of the reception tea and biscuits.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 13,665

    DavidL said:

    O/T Jaguar sales up 20% in a year: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42603271

    Impressive.

    I was one of those.

    Doing my bit for UK Plc India.
    Amended
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 14,574
    TOPPING said:

    Apparently there is a pause due to a reception at no 10

    which shows a government fit for the future, doesn't it, Big G?
    Lot fitter than Corbyn's labour
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 509
    edited January 8

    If she’s ‘recepting’Hunt’s been kicking his heels a long time. Is Arlene having a go about whoever’s being sent to Belfast?

    Ironically, Hunt has now been waiting in a corridor for 3 hours.

    (Not my joke - shamelessly stolen from the matt cartoon)
    I hope they’ve given him some of the reception tea and biscuits.
    He'll have to keep popping out to feed the meter for the car parking though.

    (OT, but free hospital car parking is a bloody silly policy. In my experience paying for hospital parking isn't the issue. Finding a space is. You can circle the John Radcliffe in Oxford for 15 minutes before finding somewhere to park. Free parking will make this a whole lot worse.)
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 13,665

    TOPPING said:

    Apparently there is a pause due to a reception at no 10

    which shows a government fit for the future, doesn't it, Big G?
    Lot fitter than Corbyn's labour
    We can only speculate how Jezza's govt would prove useless. Here, meanwhile...
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 948

    If she’s ‘recepting’Hunt’s been kicking his heels a long time. Is Arlene having a go about whoever’s being sent to Belfast?

    Ironically, Hunt has now been waiting in a corridor for 3 hours.

    (Not my joke - shamelessly stolen from the matt cartoon)
    He would have to be lying in a pool of his own bodily fluids for the full effect.
    For the full effect, shouldn't he have been told that his appointment had been postponed due to demand, and that he should call round again later?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 20,812

    BBC now talking about Brokenshires gratitude and commenting on David Liddigton’s knowledge of Tudor history.
    Is that it?

    Part of a winning team on University Challenge twice apparently. Certainly a step up from David Lammy.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 1,447

    It is amazing that at a time of significant national need, the Tories and Labour have conspired to present us with the worst government and opposition in living memory.


    We appear to have entered an age of reverse politics, whereby talentless extremists prosper while skilled pragmatists founder on the backbenches. One could quite easily select a strong cabinet from those sidelined by May's Brexit-botherers and Labour's PLP rebellion!
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 14,169
    Ishmael_Z said:

    TOPPING said:

    Anazina said:

    Can someone explain to me what the point of this 'reshuffle' was exactly? A couple of complete nobodies appointed to party roles, and entirely cosmetic departmental rebrand, and all of the big offices of state left untouched. A squib of the dampest order – one only the trio of true believers – Lotta, Morty and G-Man – could love.

    Clearly the point of it is to give people like you the opportunity to rubbish it, irrespective of what it actually comprised.

    So far it's a minor reshuffle, unsurprisingly given the circumstances, but it seems sensible enough. It's not like one of Blair's idiotic games of musical chairs which moved ministers around just at the point where there might be some small risk that they'd be about to master their briefs.
    Then someone, be it the govt's PR, or marketing, or communications directors are at fault.

    If it is not a Reshuffle fair enough, in which case expectations should have been managed down ("the right team in place but that's not to say we won't be welcoming new blood...") or it should have been all done by midday and they could move on.

    As it is, they allowed the build up of expectations, and then have dashed those expectations (of new blood, of a change, of clearing out the Augean stables, of whatever...) with a hugely underwhelming teeny tiny change dragged out over two days.

    So far...
    A full on Night of the Long Knives would have been fun, but TM is not NLK material. Knowing how she works, I'd say she planned something major (possibly on the unofficial advice which I bet she is still getting from Fiona and beardy), everyone from the 3 great officers of state to the downing street cat told her over the weekend that if she moved them she was dead meat, and she is now going through the motions but not actually doing anything.
    As was predicted over the weekend.

    That said, I don't think she could have avoided this one, which looks to have been prompted by James Brokenshire's lung. Hard to replace him - which couldn't be delayed - and not sort out the gap left by Green's departure. And if you replace two office-holders then it's become a reshuffle and you have to resolve other hanging issues, such as the CCHQ posts (which do look a decent set of appointments).

    Even so, the error was in allowing the story to leak out well before the changes were made.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 19,879
    tpfkar said:

    If she’s ‘recepting’Hunt’s been kicking his heels a long time. Is Arlene having a go about whoever’s being sent to Belfast?

    Ironically, Hunt has now been waiting in a corridor for 3 hours.

    (Not my joke - shamelessly stolen from the matt cartoon)
    He would have to be lying in a pool of his own bodily fluids for the full effect.
    For the full effect, shouldn't he have been told that his appointment had been postponed due to demand, and that he should call round again later?
    "Sorry Mr Hunt, all non-essential promotions have been rescheduled."
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 14,574

    If she’s ‘recepting’Hunt’s been kicking his heels a long time. Is Arlene having a go about whoever’s being sent to Belfast?

    Ironically, Hunt has now been waiting in a corridor for 3 hours.

    (Not my joke - shamelessly stolen from the matt cartoon)
    I hope they’ve given him some of the reception tea and biscuits.
    He'll have to keep popping out to feed the meter for the car parking though.

    (OT, but free hospital car parking is a bloody silly policy. In my experience paying for hospital parking isn't the issue. Finding a space is. You can circle the John Radcliffe in Oxford for 15 minutes before finding somewhere to park. Free parking will make this a whole lot worse.)
    We have free parking here in Wales and you cannot get parked without going ages before your appointment
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 11,364
    According to the Beeb the vitally important reception is for Welsh Assembly members.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 14,574
    Anazina said:

    It is amazing that at a time of significant national need, the Tories and Labour have conspired to present us with the worst government and opposition in living memory.


    We appear to have entered an age of reverse politics, whereby talentless extremists prosper while skilled pragmatists founder on the backbenches. One could quite easily select a strong cabinet from those sidelined by May's Brexit-botherers and Labour's PLP rebellion!
    You may be surprised but I could agree with you on that but until Brexit is sorted we are where we are
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,238
    DavidL said:

    BBC now talking about Brokenshires gratitude and commenting on David Liddigton’s knowledge of Tudor history.
    Is that it?

    Part of a winning team on University Challenge twice apparently. Certainly a step up from David Lammy.
    I've often wondered if Lammy didn't do that on purpose. I can't think what he might have been trying to achieve but surely nobody could be that thick in real life?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 24,532
    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    O/T Jaguar sales up 20% in a year: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42603271

    Impressive.

    I was one of those.

    Doing my bit for UK Plc India.
    Amended
    Designed here, made here, mate.

    Although, it is true to say that we Brits can't run major companies for toffee.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 20,812

    According to the Beeb the vitally important reception is for Welsh Assembly members.

    I feel a Robert Bolt quote coming on....
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 1,447

    TOPPING said:

    Apparently there is a pause due to a reception at no 10

    which shows a government fit for the future, doesn't it, Big G?
    Lot fitter than Corbyn's labour
    Weak, weak, weak. Your argument essentially boils down to "we are shit, but not as shit as the other lot hypothetically would be, were they in government, which they are not."
  • HHemmeligHHemmelig Posts: 617

    If she’s ‘recepting’Hunt’s been kicking his heels a long time. Is Arlene having a go about whoever’s being sent to Belfast?

    Ironically, Hunt has now been waiting in a corridor for 3 hours.

    (Not my joke - shamelessly stolen from the matt cartoon)
    I hope they’ve given him some of the reception tea and biscuits.
    He'll have to keep popping out to feed the meter for the car parking though.

    (OT, but free hospital car parking is a bloody silly policy. In my experience paying for hospital parking isn't the issue. Finding a space is. You can circle the John Radcliffe in Oxford for 15 minutes before finding somewhere to park. Free parking will make this a whole lot worse.)
    +1

    It's an absolutely barmy policy, especially for London & the SE

    Being forced to park in Orpington Sainsburys the day and night my son was born is burned in my memory...popping outside every hour or so to move the car a few spaces and make sure I wasn't clamped.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 11,364

    If she’s ‘recepting’Hunt’s been kicking his heels a long time. Is Arlene having a go about whoever’s being sent to Belfast?

    Ironically, Hunt has now been waiting in a corridor for 3 hours.

    (Not my joke - shamelessly stolen from the matt cartoon)
    I hope they’ve given him some of the reception tea and biscuits.
    He'll have to keep popping out to feed the meter for the car parking though.

    (OT, but free hospital car parking is a bloody silly policy. In my experience paying for hospital parking isn't the issue. Finding a space is. You can circle the John Radcliffe in Oxford for 15 minutes before finding somewhere to park. Free parking will make this a whole lot worse.)
    We have free parking here in Wales and you cannot get parked without going ages before your appointment
    I think I’ve posted before that at one time I worked in a hospital which had free parking and was a long but manageable walk from a commuter railway station, with very limited parking.

    Yup, got it in one!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 43,713
    Miss Anazina, given politics is a choice (in this case largely between Conservative and Labour), how is "the Conservatives are better than Labour" a weak argument?
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