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NEW: A lawyer for Donald Trump arranged a $130,000 payment to a former adult-film star a month before the 2016 election as part of an agreement that precluded her from publicly discussing an alleged sexual encounter with Mr. Trump, per people familiar.https://t.co/KZhdex7UKE

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  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 4,133
    edited January 12
    1st here

    I would like to be first to use the Trump urinal but I face certain biological constraints ...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 32,579
    Sad
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 1,904
    This will be like Palmerston fathering another bastard. It will just make him more popular.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 591
    No doubt he will be claiming he is hard up after coughing up that dough!
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 2,634

    1st here

    I would like to be first to use the Trump urinal but I face certain biological constraints ...

    nothing that a bit of athleticism wouldn't overcome?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 13,672
    edited January 12
    Will anything take him down - he seems invincible to scandal and crass stupidity.

    Never mind his term will be over one day and hopefully the US will then get a decent POTUS
  • 1st here

    I would like to be first to use the Trump urinal but I face certain biological constraints ...

    Have you never seen The Full Monty?

    Features a scene with women using urinals.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 10,133
    Well, I am glad I had my dinner before seeing that.

    My dinner, BTW, was pasta al pesto. Not, I am sure you realise, the disgustingly sour green sauce in a jar that passes for pesto in most supermarkets. No - homemade pesto with the leaves of one of my two flourishing basil plants. Oil, pine nuts and parmesan. And nothing else - no coriander or garlic or anything else. And no chocolate of any description. :)

    It is perfectly possible to keep basil plants growing well if you water them frequently and keep them in a south-facing room. Mine have been going since the summer. And my rosemary cuttings are doing very well too.

    I realise that this is nothing to do with Trump or Brexit or Young or May. But after that picture a reminder of one of the small joys of life is in order, I feel.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 10,133

    1st here

    I would like to be first to use the Trump urinal but I face certain biological constraints ...

    nothing that a bit of athleticism wouldn't overcome?
    No. We might get it all over the floor and that would never do, would it......

  • TomsToms Posts: 1,536
    We can laugh, but we cannot hide.
    This stuff doesn't matter, but I do think that whoever took the top picture should have used the anti red eye setting.
    That is all.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 2,114

    1st here

    I would like to be first to use the Trump urinal but I face certain biological constraints ...

    Have you never seen The Full Monty?

    Features a scene with women using urinals.
    That is set in Yorkshire. Sheffield I believe. One may expect no better.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 20,361
    Cyclefree said:

    Well, I am glad I had my dinner before seeing that.

    My dinner, BTW, was pasta al pesto. Not, I am sure you realise, the disgustingly sour green sauce in a jar that passes for pesto in most supermarkets. No - homemade pesto with the leaves of one of my two flourishing basil plants. Oil, pine nuts and parmesan. And nothing else - no coriander or garlic or anything else. And no chocolate of any description. :)

    It is perfectly possible to keep basil plants growing well if you water them frequently and keep them in a south-facing room. Mine have been going since the summer. And my rosemary cuttings are doing very well too.

    I realise that this is nothing to do with Trump or Brexit or Young or May. But after that picture a reminder of one of the small joys of life is in order, I feel.

    Thank you. A much nicer image than the urinal.
  • dixiedean said:

    1st here

    I would like to be first to use the Trump urinal but I face certain biological constraints ...

    Have you never seen The Full Monty?

    Features a scene with women using urinals.
    That is set in Yorkshire. Sheffield I believe. One may expect no better.
    Yes The Full Monty is set and filmed in the greatest city in the known universe.

    As I have consistently shown, people from Sheffield have unlimited class.
  • dyingswandyingswan Posts: 148
    Breaking news. The new shadow minister for buses -yes buses - is Reg Varney. There will be another reshuffle along soon.
  • But is Obama going - now that would annoy him no end
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 4,536
    edited January 12
    Why on earth did anyone think Trump might come to Harry's wedding?

    Obama didn't come to William's wedding.

    Harry will be 6th in line to the throne by then - it's inconceivable that the US President - ie any US President - would come.

    It will surely have far, far fewer "major public figures" than William's wedding - both because it's much less important and it's also in a much smaller venue meaning the total number of guests will be far smaller.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 4,512

    dixiedean said:

    1st here

    I would like to be first to use the Trump urinal but I face certain biological constraints ...

    Have you never seen The Full Monty?

    Features a scene with women using urinals.
    That is set in Yorkshire. Sheffield I believe. One may expect no better.
    Yes The Full Monty is set and filmed in the greatest city in the known universe.

    As I have consistently shown, people from Sheffield have unlimited class.
    You are taking the piss
  • TomsToms Posts: 1,536
    edited January 12
    Cyclefree said: "It is perfectly possible to keep basil plants growing well if you water them frequently and keep them in a south-facing room. Mine have been going since the summer. And my rosemary cuttings are doing very well too."

    Rosemary is probably my favourite herb. Mine in the garden perseveres to grow under all conditions, smells nice, and represents for me, almost magically, health and goodness.

    Do I demean Mother Nature by wondering what plant Trump would be?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 10,133
    Toms said:

    Cyclefree said: "It is perfectly possible to keep basil plants growing well if you water them frequently and keep them in a south-facing room. Mine have been going since the summer. And my rosemary cuttings are doing very well too."

    Rosemary is probably my favourite herb. Mine in the garden perseveres to grow under all conditions, smells nice, and represents for me, almost magically, health and goodness.

    Do I demean Mother Nature by wondering what plant Trump would be?

    Japanese knotweed.
  • TomsToms Posts: 1,536
    Cyclefree said:

    Toms said:

    Cyclefree said: "It is perfectly possible to keep basil plants growing well if you water them frequently and keep them in a south-facing room. Mine have been going since the summer. And my rosemary cuttings are doing very well too."

    Rosemary is probably my favourite herb. Mine in the garden perseveres to grow under all conditions, smells nice, and represents for me, almost magically, health and goodness.

    Do I demean Mother Nature by wondering what plant Trump would be?

    Japanese knotweed.
    BANG ON.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 20,361
    Toms said:

    Cyclefree said: "It is perfectly possible to keep basil plants growing well if you water them frequently and keep them in a south-facing room. Mine have been going since the summer. And my rosemary cuttings are doing very well too."

    Rosemary is probably my favourite herb. Mine in the garden perseveres to grow under all conditions, smells nice, and represents for me, almost magically, health and goodness.

    Do I demean Mother Nature by wondering what plant Trump would be?

    Brilliant with lamb.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 6,466
    Cyclefree said:

    Toms said:

    Cyclefree said: "It is perfectly possible to keep basil plants growing well if you water them frequently and keep them in a south-facing room. Mine have been going since the summer. And my rosemary cuttings are doing very well too."

    Rosemary is probably my favourite herb. Mine in the garden perseveres to grow under all conditions, smells nice, and represents for me, almost magically, health and goodness.

    Do I demean Mother Nature by wondering what plant Trump would be?

    Japanese knotweed.
    The wonderfully named Stinking Corpse Lily.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 21,480
    MikeL said:

    Why on earth did anyone think Trump might come to Harry's wedding?

    To grope the bride?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 21,480
    DavidL said:

    Toms said:

    Cyclefree said: "It is perfectly possible to keep basil plants growing well if you water them frequently and keep them in a south-facing room. Mine have been going since the summer. And my rosemary cuttings are doing very well too."

    Rosemary is probably my favourite herb. Mine in the garden perseveres to grow under all conditions, smells nice, and represents for me, almost magically, health and goodness.

    Do I demean Mother Nature by wondering what plant Trump would be?

    Brilliant with lamb.
    and free range pork.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 10,133
    Toms said:

    Cyclefree said: "It is perfectly possible to keep basil plants growing well if you water them frequently and keep them in a south-facing room. Mine have been going since the summer. And my rosemary cuttings are doing very well too."

    Rosemary is probably my favourite herb. Mine in the garden perseveres to grow under all conditions, smells nice, and represents for me, almost magically, health and goodness.

    Do I demean Mother Nature by wondering what plant Trump would be?


    My orange tree is also beginning to blossom. It is in the same room as the basil. The scent of orange blossom and mandarin blossom represents, for me, childhood in Naples, especially at Christmas, health and sensuousness and just sheer joy.

    There is something absolutely miraculous about nature.

    In my front garden I have Christmas box - sarcococca confusa. It is a small evergreen bush which between December and March has tiny white flowers which give off the most intense smell of vanilla. A few flowers, which you can barely see, will scent the entire street. It is so welcome at a time when so little else is flowering yet. And I regularly get people commenting on the scent. Every time you go in and out of your house you get this wonderful perfume. It lifts the spirits.

    And as well my Yuletide camellia is flowering: bright red with yellow stamens. And the iris reticulata is about to flower too. Little miracles of beauty they are.

    The tits are beginning to build their nests as well. Oh I could go on. But won't.

    There is so much to be joyful about if we only take the time to sit and stare.......
  • On topic, I've lost count of the number of places I've called shit holes in the past.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 19,816
    edited January 12
    Toms said:

    Cyclefree said: "It is perfectly possible to keep basil plants growing well if you water them frequently and keep them in a south-facing room. Mine have been going since the summer. And my rosemary cuttings are doing very well too."

    Rosemary is probably my favourite herb. Mine in the garden perseveres to grow under all conditions, smells nice, and represents for me, almost magically, health and goodness.

    Do I demean Mother Nature by wondering what plant Trump would be?

    Stinkhorn.

    EDIT I see @John_M thinks along similar lines.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 20,361
    John_M said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Toms said:

    Cyclefree said: "It is perfectly possible to keep basil plants growing well if you water them frequently and keep them in a south-facing room. Mine have been going since the summer. And my rosemary cuttings are doing very well too."

    Rosemary is probably my favourite herb. Mine in the garden perseveres to grow under all conditions, smells nice, and represents for me, almost magically, health and goodness.

    Do I demean Mother Nature by wondering what plant Trump would be?

    Japanese knotweed.
    The wonderfully named Stinking Corpse Lily.
    Leylandii. Boring, persistent and a really irritating neighbour. Given the opportunity it will drown out everything else.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 10,133
    Sean_F said:

    DavidL said:

    Toms said:

    Cyclefree said: "It is perfectly possible to keep basil plants growing well if you water them frequently and keep them in a south-facing room. Mine have been going since the summer. And my rosemary cuttings are doing very well too."

    Rosemary is probably my favourite herb. Mine in the garden perseveres to grow under all conditions, smells nice, and represents for me, almost magically, health and goodness.

    Do I demean Mother Nature by wondering what plant Trump would be?

    Brilliant with lamb.
    and free range pork.
    Pasta with courgettes - chopped up finely and quickly stir-fried in a little oil - with fresh mint. Mmmmmm.......
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 20,361

    On topic, I've lost count of the number of places I've called shit holes in the past.

    Well you do live in Sheffield.
  • Cyclefree said:

    Toms said:

    Cyclefree said: "It is perfectly possible to keep basil plants growing well if you water them frequently and keep them in a south-facing room. Mine have been going since the summer. And my rosemary cuttings are doing very well too."

    Rosemary is probably my favourite herb. Mine in the garden perseveres to grow under all conditions, smells nice, and represents for me, almost magically, health and goodness.

    Do I demean Mother Nature by wondering what plant Trump would be?


    My orange tree is also beginning to blossom. It is in the same room as the basil. The scent of orange blossom and mandarin blossom represents, for me, childhood in Naples, especially at Christmas, health and sensuousness and just sheer joy.

    There is something absolutely miraculous about nature.

    In my front garden I have Christmas box - sarcococca confusa. It is a small evergreen bush which between December and March has tiny white flowers which give off the most intense smell of vanilla. A few flowers, which you can barely see, will scent the entire street. It is so welcome at a time when so little else is flowering yet. And I regularly get people commenting on the scent. Every time you go in and out of your house you get this wonderful perfume. It lifts the spirits.

    And as well my Yuletide camellia is flowering: bright red with yellow stamens. And the iris reticulata is about to flower too. Little miracles of beauty they are.

    The tits are beginning to build their nests as well. Oh I could go on. But won't.

    There is so much to be joyful about if we only take the time to sit and stare.......
    Your posts are a joy - please keep them coming
  • DavidL said:

    On topic, I've lost count of the number of places I've called shit holes in the past.

    Well you do live in Sheffield.
    You misunderstand me, I've been to Scotland many times.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 32,579
    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/sunpolitics/status/951939345929383936

    Installed? I thought peers were elevated? :p
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 20,361

    DavidL said:

    On topic, I've lost count of the number of places I've called shit holes in the past.

    Well you do live in Sheffield.
    You misunderstand me, I've been to Scotland many times.
    I am sure the contrast does make you particularly harsh in your assessments of your native city. But you should reflect that for Yorkshire it really isn’t that bad.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 10,133
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/sunpolitics/status/951939345929383936

    Installed? I thought peers were elevated? :p
    I think you'd want to install Mr Pickles rather than elevate him......
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    On topic, I've lost count of the number of places I've called shit holes in the past.

    Well you do live in Sheffield.
    You misunderstand me, I've been to Scotland many times.
    I am sure the contrast does make you particularly harsh in your assessments of your native city. But you should reflect that for Yorkshire it really isn’t that bad.
    Yorkshire was the site of the Garden of Eden.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 8,197
    Pickles is the man to renew and rejuvenate the upper chamber. It will never seem more relevant, dynamic and valuable.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 24,382

    On topic, I've lost count of the number of places I've called shit holes in the past.

    Parts of the media (and the United Nations, i'm afraid to say) are helping Trump by hugely overplaying this and saying it's "racist".

    Most people have used the phrase, in private, to refer to some place at some point.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 20,361
    Scott_P said:
    What happened to him? I always presumed he had stood down due to ill health.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 20,361

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    On topic, I've lost count of the number of places I've called shit holes in the past.

    Well you do live in Sheffield.
    You misunderstand me, I've been to Scotland many times.
    I am sure the contrast does make you particularly harsh in your assessments of your native city. But you should reflect that for Yorkshire it really isn’t that bad.
    Yorkshire was the site of the Garden of Eden.
    No wonder Eve thought sod this, I need some clothes. It’s a bit parky.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 21,480

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    On topic, I've lost count of the number of places I've called shit holes in the past.

    Well you do live in Sheffield.
    You misunderstand me, I've been to Scotland many times.
    I am sure the contrast does make you particularly harsh in your assessments of your native city. But you should reflect that for Yorkshire it really isn’t that bad.
    Yorkshire was the site of the Garden of Eden.
    Nidderdale.
  • Sunderland is a shit hole.

    Back in 2003 I went to watch a match there with two friends, drove there, and this was in the era before sat navs, leaving the match I got lost.

    I pulled over, put the windows down, and was about to ask a lady

    'Can you tell how I get to the A19'

    Before I could ask her, she replied with

    'I don't do gang bangs'

    She then walked off
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 2,641
    Jonathan said:

    Pickles is the man to renew and rejuvenate the upper chamber. It will never seem more relevant, dynamic and valuable.

    The caterers will need to stock up...
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 8,197

    On topic, I've lost count of the number of places I've called shit holes in the past.

    Parts of the media (and the United Nations, i'm afraid to say) are helping Trump by hugely overplaying this and saying it's "racist".

    Most people have used the phrase, in private, to refer to some place at some point.
    He said it in public, he's the president and he said it about nations with certain things in common.

    Its different.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 4,149

    On topic, I've lost count of the number of places I've called shit holes in the past.

    Parts of the media (and the United Nations, i'm afraid to say) are helping Trump by hugely overplaying this and saying it's "racist".

    Most people have used the phrase, in private, to refer to some place at some point.
    Trump actually is racist though.
    The Mexican judge incident is proof enough of that, but he has a long history of racism.

    The way he used shithole to refer to countries in Africa/Central America does make it racist.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 28,309

    dixiedean said:

    1st here

    I would like to be first to use the Trump urinal but I face certain biological constraints ...

    Have you never seen The Full Monty?

    Features a scene with women using urinals.
    That is set in Yorkshire. Sheffield I believe. One may expect no better.
    Yes The Full Monty is set and filmed in the greatest city in the known universe.

    As I have consistently shown, people from Sheffield have unlimited class.
    Sheffield - what a shithole....
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 20,361

    Sunderland is a shit hole.

    Back in 2003 I went to watch a match there with two friends, drove there, and this was in the era before sat navs, leaving the match I got lost.

    I pulled over, put the windows down, and was about to ask a lady

    'Can you tell how I get to the A19'

    Before I could ask her, she replied with

    'I don't do gang bangs'

    She then walked off

    Hope you had better luck with the next one.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 2,634

    dixiedean said:

    1st here

    I would like to be first to use the Trump urinal but I face certain biological constraints ...

    Have you never seen The Full Monty?

    Features a scene with women using urinals.
    That is set in Yorkshire. Sheffield I believe. One may expect no better.
    Yes The Full Monty is set and filmed in the greatest city in the known universe.

    As I have consistently shown, people from Sheffield have unlimited class.
    Jared?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 32,579
    DavidL said:

    Sunderland is a shit hole.

    Back in 2003 I went to watch a match there with two friends, drove there, and this was in the era before sat navs, leaving the match I got lost.

    I pulled over, put the windows down, and was about to ask a lady

    'Can you tell how I get to the A19'

    Before I could ask her, she replied with

    'I don't do gang bangs'

    She then walked off

    Hope you had better luck with the next one.
    TSE couldn't possibly comment. It's a family forum, after all.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 28,309
    Jonathan said:

    On topic, I've lost count of the number of places I've called shit holes in the past.

    Parts of the media (and the United Nations, i'm afraid to say) are helping Trump by hugely overplaying this and saying it's "racist".

    Most people have used the phrase, in private, to refer to some place at some point.
    He said it in public, he's the president and he said it about nations with certain things in common.

    Its different.
    Also the context was we don’t want anybody from those places, which is very different from saying that a particular place is a dive.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 20,361

    dixiedean said:

    1st here

    I would like to be first to use the Trump urinal but I face certain biological constraints ...

    Have you never seen The Full Monty?

    Features a scene with women using urinals.
    That is set in Yorkshire. Sheffield I believe. One may expect no better.
    Yes The Full Monty is set and filmed in the greatest city in the known universe.

    As I have consistently shown, people from Sheffield have unlimited class.
    Jared?
    There is no beginning to his class.
  • dixiedean said:

    1st here

    I would like to be first to use the Trump urinal but I face certain biological constraints ...

    Have you never seen The Full Monty?

    Features a scene with women using urinals.
    That is set in Yorkshire. Sheffield I believe. One may expect no better.
    Yes The Full Monty is set and filmed in the greatest city in the known universe.

    As I have consistently shown, people from Sheffield have unlimited class.
    Jared?
    The rare, if not unique, exception.
  • DavidL said:

    Sunderland is a shit hole.

    Back in 2003 I went to watch a match there with two friends, drove there, and this was in the era before sat navs, leaving the match I got lost.

    I pulled over, put the windows down, and was about to ask a lady

    'Can you tell how I get to the A19'

    Before I could ask her, she replied with

    'I don't do gang bangs'

    She then walked off

    Hope you had better luck with the next one.
    Was too scared to ask anyone after that, I had visions of being charged with kerb crawling, which would have been sub optimal career wise.

    Just drove until we found the A1.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 2,634

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    On topic, I've lost count of the number of places I've called shit holes in the past.

    Well you do live in Sheffield.
    You misunderstand me, I've been to Scotland many times.
    I am sure the contrast does make you particularly harsh in your assessments of your native city. But you should reflect that for Yorkshire it really isn’t that bad.
    Yorkshire was the site of the Garden of Eden.
    past tense noted
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 36,496
    @Isikoff: BREAKING: House Ds will push censure resolution next week to condemn POTUS for shithole comments, demanding GOP leaders bring it to floor. "The President's bigoted fear mongering...warrant total condemnation and censure from Congress," say Reps. Richmond (CBC chair) and Nadler
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 2,641
    edited January 12
    I am looking for a frost hardy mid size specimin tree for my front garden, preferably with an upright habitus and good in clay soil, of year round interest. It is a reasonably sunny site.

    I was thinking of an Acer Pseudoplatinus Brilliantisium, but perhaps a Prunus Kazan. Any thoughts?
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 2,634

    dixiedean said:

    1st here

    I would like to be first to use the Trump urinal but I face certain biological constraints ...

    Have you never seen The Full Monty?

    Features a scene with women using urinals.
    That is set in Yorkshire. Sheffield I believe. One may expect no better.
    Yes The Full Monty is set and filmed in the greatest city in the known universe.

    As I have consistently shown, people from Sheffield have unlimited class.
    Jared?
    The rare, if not unique, exception.
    That needs a new thread
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 2,634
    answers on a postcard please
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 20,361
    Foxy said:

    I am looking for a frost hardy mid size specimin tree for my front garden, preferably with an upright habitus and good in clay soil, of year round interest. It is a reasonably sunny site.

    I was thinking of an Acer Pseudoplatinus Brilliantisium, but perhaps a Prunus Kazan. Any thoughts?

    Blimey, these are real trees. The things you learn on PB. I assumed this was a cod Latin joke that I wasn’t quite getting.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 4,149
    They gave Obama a Nobel Prize for not being George Bush.
    What on Earth will they give the man or woman wh follows Trump!?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 20,361
    rkrkrk said:

    They gave Obama a Nobel Prize for not being George Bush.
    What on Earth will they give the man or woman wh follows Trump!?

    New urinals?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 2,641
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    I am looking for a frost hardy mid size specimin tree for my front garden, preferably with an upright habitus and good in clay soil, of year round interest. It is a reasonably sunny site.

    I was thinking of an Acer Pseudoplatinus Brilliantisium, but perhaps a Prunus Kazan. Any thoughts?

    Blimey, these are real trees. The things you learn on PB. I assumed this was a cod Latin joke that I wasn’t quite getting.
    Nope. I am genuinely looking for a new bare root tree. I had to take out a goat willow as it was threatening my drains, so want to replace.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 8,197
    rkrkrk said:

    They gave Obama a Nobel Prize for not being George Bush.
    What on Earth will they give the man or woman wh follows Trump!?

    A bone, a rock or something to keep warm in the wasteland.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 19,637
    edited January 12
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/sunpolitics/status/951939345929383936

    Installed? I thought peers were elevated? :p
    Quite risky to try and elevate Mr Pickles I expect

    Edit: beaten by Ms Cyclefree
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 6,466
    In my experience, obnoxious people aren't selectively obnoxious. If they are some variant of -ist, then the other -isms will be displayed - it's simply a matter of spending enough time listening to them.

    On that basis, I'm surprised people are affecting surprise. What's the scoop? 'Trump continues to vie for the title of twattiest president?'. It's dog bites man stuff.
  • sladeslade Posts: 568
    I went to see The Darkest Hour tonight. Very absorbing film with some great performances. But does it sacrifice the truth for a good narrative? For example did Churchill ride the District Line and talk to a very PC group of Londoners? Did George VI talk Churchill into making the decision to fight on? Was Elizabeth Layton the only private secretary to Churchill? Did Neville Chamberlain mop his brow to signal Conservative support for Churchill after his no surrender speech?
  • sladeslade Posts: 568
    slade said:

    I went to see The Darkest Hour tonight. Very absorbing film with some great performances. But does it sacrifice the truth for a good narrative? For example did Churchill ride the District Line and talk to a very PC group of Londoners? Did George VI talk Churchill into making the decision to fight on? Was Elizabeth Layton the only private secretary to Churchill? Did Neville Chamberlain mop his brow to signal Conservative support for Churchill after his no surrender speech?

    Sorry - the film is Darkest Hour - The Darkest Hour is something entirely different.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 10,133
    Foxy said:

    I am looking for a frost hardy mid size specimin tree for my front garden, preferably with an upright habitus and good in clay soil, of year round interest. It is a reasonably sunny site.

    I was thinking of an Acer Pseudoplatinus Brilliantisium, but perhaps a Prunus Kazan. Any thoughts?

    I have a betula - a silver birch. I will dig out the variety if you’d like to know more. Wonderful light green leaves turning a glorious yellow in autumn. They stay on for a long time. And the bark is beautiful. It is a very elegant and delicate tree. It does not dominate. But it is robust. Every few years I get it pruned but it needs very little looking after otherwise.

    Amelanchiers are gorgeous too - with interest in all seasons.

    Acers are wonderful. I have one. Just make sure it is not in a windy situation because that can shred the leaves.

    I’m not a great fan of prunus. Beautiful in spring but a bit dull the rest of the year. Magnolias are superb but have a limited season so you want a tree that earns its keep all year round.

    Look also at sorbus or the tulip tree or the Kashmir sorbus.

    Good luck!
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 10,133
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    I am looking for a frost hardy mid size specimin tree for my front garden, preferably with an upright habitus and good in clay soil, of year round interest. It is a reasonably sunny site.

    I was thinking of an Acer Pseudoplatinus Brilliantisium, but perhaps a Prunus Kazan. Any thoughts?

    Blimey, these are real trees. The things you learn on PB. I assumed this was a cod Latin joke that I wasn’t quite getting.
    Nope. I am genuinely looking for a new bare root tree. I had to take out a goat willow as it was threatening my drains, so want to replace.
    Oh - and don’t forget the gleditsia.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 7,366
    It seems to me that the people who are so apalled by Trump tend to end up behaving as badly as he does. It shouldn't even be an occurence that UK politicians queue up to lay into a foreign head of state. It's juvenile and self-indulgent. As always, Boris Johnson gets it totally wrong in accusing Khan of endangering the special relationship - Khan shouldn't be grandstanding about any visiting dignitary, regardless of their perceived importance. Because it is poor form and the wrong thing to do.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 2,641
    edited January 12
    Cyclefree said:

    Foxy said:

    I am looking for a frost hardy mid size specimin tree for my front garden, preferably with an upright habitus and good in clay soil, of year round interest. It is a reasonably sunny site.

    I was thinking of an Acer Pseudoplatinus Brilliantisium, but perhaps a Prunus Kazan. Any thoughts?

    I have a betula - a silver birch. I will dig out the variety if you’d like to know more. Wonderful light green leaves turning a glorious yellow in autumn. They stay on for a long time. And the bark is beautiful. It is a very elegant and delicate tree. It does not dominate. But it is robust. Every few years I get it pruned but it needs very little looking after otherwise.

    Amelanchiers are gorgeous too - with interest in all seasons.

    Acers are wonderful. I have one. Just make sure it is not in a windy situation because that can shred the leaves.

    I’m not a great fan of prunus. Beautiful in spring but a bit dull the rest of the year. Magnolias are superb but have a limited season so you want a tree that earns its keep all year round.

    Look also at sorbus or the tulip tree or the Kashmir sorbus.

    Good luck!
    The Tulip tree is on my shortlist. I have an Amelanchier Ballerina in my back yard. The flowers are shortlived, but the leaves last well in autumn with bronze colour. It is a lovely tree.

    Betula seem always to be a bit sickly round here, maybe they don't like the soil.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 41,615
    I see Labour now have a Shadow Minister for Fire, are they getting one for Earth and Wind too?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 41,615
    edited January 12
    slade said:

    I went to see The Darkest Hour tonight. Very absorbing film with some great performances. But does it sacrifice the truth for a good narrative? For example did Churchill ride the District Line and talk to a very PC group of Londoners? Did George VI talk Churchill into making the decision to fight on? Was Elizabeth Layton the only private secretary to Churchill? Did Neville Chamberlain mop his brow to signal Conservative support for Churchill after his no surrender speech?

    Think I will go tomorrow night, though it seems to be mainly worth seeing for Gary Oldman's performance rather than the story itself. Adonis is not a fan though


    Also want to see 'All the Money in the World' but will have to go next week as it is already now only on mainly in central London cinemas. 'The Post' is also out next week but looks like a liberal snoozefest so will wait until it gets to Netflix I think
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 10,133
    Foxy said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Foxy said:

    I am looking for a frost hardy mid size specimin tree for my front garden, preferably with an upright habitus and good in clay soil, of year round interest. It is a reasonably sunny site.

    I was thinking of an Acer Pseudoplatinus Brilliantisium, but perhaps a Prunus Kazan. Any thoughts?

    I have a betula - a silver birch. I will dig out the variety if you’d like to know more. Wonderful light green leaves turning a glorious yellow in autumn. They stay on for a long time. And the bark is beautiful. It is a very elegant and delicate tree. It does not dominate. But it is robust. Every few years I get it pruned but it needs very little looking after otherwise.

    Amelanchiers are gorgeous too - with interest in all seasons.

    Acers are wonderful. I have one. Just make sure it is not in a windy situation because that can shred the leaves.

    I’m not a great fan of prunus. Beautiful in spring but a bit dull the rest of the year. Magnolias are superb but have a limited season so you want a tree that earns its keep all year round.

    Look also at sorbus or the tulip tree or the Kashmir sorbus.

    Good luck!
    The Tulip tree is on my shortlist. I have an Amelanchier Ballerina in my back yard. The flowers are shortlived, but the leaves last well in autumn with bronze colour. It is a lovely tree.

    Betula seem always to be a bit sickly round here, maybe they don't like the soil.

    The best thing to do is to see which trees thrive best in your local conditions and which you like best of those.

    Crab apples are another possibility. As well as some proper apple trees.

    Also, have a look at the website for Architectural Plants. They have some interesting choices.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 5,162
    edited January 12

    It seems to me that the people who are so apalled by Trump tend to end up behaving as badly as he does. It shouldn't even be an occurence that UK politicians queue up to lay into a foreign head of state. It's juvenile and self-indulgent. As always, Boris Johnson gets it totally wrong in accusing Khan of endangering the special relationship - Khan shouldn't be grandstanding about any visiting dignitary, regardless of their perceived importance. Because it is poor form and the wrong thing to do.

    It's not often I agree with you (in fact, this might be the first), but yes you are right, very much so. This bien-pensant sneering about Trump is at best self-indulgent, at worst positively decadent. There are seven billion people on the planet, many of whom hold views that would make one gibber in fear. Karimov, the hellbound President of Uzbekistan, boiled his opponents alive, for pity's sake.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 36,496
    Foxy said:

    Nope. I am genuinely looking for a new bare root tree. I had to take out a goat willow as it was threatening my drains, so want to replace.

    I have a Mulberry that seems to thrive, unlike other fruit trees nearby. It grows in some interesting shapes, and of course you can eat the produce eventually
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 5,162
    Anyhoo, all this banging on about shitholes gives me an excuse to big up Charlie Clouser, one of the several NIN alumni to make a living in soundtracks. Some of you may be familiar with his music from the Saw series, which consists of variations on a theme scattered along each film. The "Shithole" variation is not the best one (that's "Let Go") but it's still not bad. Here it is:

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 5,162
    edited January 13
    slade said:

    I went to see The Darkest Hour tonight. Very absorbing film with some great performances. But does it sacrifice the truth for a good narrative? For example did Churchill ride the District Line and talk to a very PC group of Londoners?

    I note the reviews and those who have seen it, like it, but IMHO that scene should have been taken out and shot.

    For those who don't know, in the film Churchill, racked by doubt and en route to an important decision, is forced to ride the Tube where his doubts are quenched by a succession of London stereotypes urging the fight to continue.

    It (the scene, not the film) is redolent of another film, from the 80's...



  • archer101auarcher101au Posts: 549
    rkrkrk said:

    On topic, I've lost count of the number of places I've called shit holes in the past.

    Parts of the media (and the United Nations, i'm afraid to say) are helping Trump by hugely overplaying this and saying it's "racist".

    Most people have used the phrase, in private, to refer to some place at some point.
    Trump actually is racist though.
    The Mexican judge incident is proof enough of that, but he has a long history of racism.

    The way he used shithole to refer to countries in Africa/Central America does make it racist.
    You are going to have to explain that to me. Why is referring to another country as a 'shithole' racist? (I am not arguing about Trump in general, just this specific comment).
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 5,162
    HYUFD said:
    At the risk of crawling up my own arse, Adonis has Caravaggio wrong. Caravaggio was one of the masters of the lighting technique known as chiaroscuro, and his use involved strong light/dark contrast. You would pay good money to have your film lit as well as Caravaggio painted. Adonis means "murky", which Caravaggio exactly wasn't.

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 28,617

    rkrkrk said:

    On topic, I've lost count of the number of places I've called shit holes in the past.

    Parts of the media (and the United Nations, i'm afraid to say) are helping Trump by hugely overplaying this and saying it's "racist".

    Most people have used the phrase, in private, to refer to some place at some point.
    Trump actually is racist though.
    The Mexican judge incident is proof enough of that, but he has a long history of racism.

    The way he used shithole to refer to countries in Africa/Central America does make it racist.
    You are going to have to explain that to me. Why is referring to another country as a 'shithole' racist? (I am not arguing about Trump in general, just this specific comment).
    Views vary:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42671152
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 28,617
    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:
    At the risk of crawling up my own arse, Adonis has Caravaggio wrong. Caravaggio was one of the masters of the lighting technique known as chiaroscuro, and his use involved strong light/dark contrast. You would pay good money to have your film lit as well as Caravaggio painted. Adonis means "murky", which Caravaggio exactly wasn't.

    Once again Lord Adonis demonstrates that he’s nowhere near as clever as he thinks he is. No wonder he was never elected higher than a city council....
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 28,617
    viewcode said:

    slade said:

    I went to see The Darkest Hour tonight. Very absorbing film with some great performances. But does it sacrifice the truth for a good narrative? For example did Churchill ride the District Line and talk to a very PC group of Londoners?

    that scene should have been taken out and shot.
    Surely the reverse happened? It was shot and put it. AIUI it’s a device to illustrate Churchill’s internal conflict, rather than purporting to be an actual record of events. You were watching a drama, not a documentary.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 5,162

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:
    At the risk of crawling up my own arse, Adonis has Caravaggio wrong. Caravaggio was one of the masters of the lighting technique known as chiaroscuro, and his use involved strong light/dark contrast. You would pay good money to have your film lit as well as Caravaggio painted. Adonis means "murky", which Caravaggio exactly wasn't.

    Once again Lord Adonis demonstrates that he’s nowhere near as clever as he thinks he is. No wonder he was never elected higher than a city council....
    Indeed
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 5,162

    viewcode said:

    slade said:

    I went to see The Darkest Hour tonight. Very absorbing film with some great performances. But does it sacrifice the truth for a good narrative? For example did Churchill ride the District Line and talk to a very PC group of Londoners?

    that scene should have been taken out and shot.
    Surely the reverse happened? It was shot and put it. AIUI it’s a device to illustrate Churchill’s internal conflict, rather than purporting to be an actual record of events. You were watching a drama, not a documentary.
    I know it was a narrative device. Unfortunately, it's also a hackneyed narrative device, as illustrated by the clip I posted.

    There's another, more subtle point. By reducing Churchill's resolution of his internal conflict to a chance event, it reduces his importance. To see what I mean here, imagine if he had not taken that Tube: would he have reached a different conclusion? Given what we know about Churchill, that seems implausible.


  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 4,149

    rkrkrk said:

    On topic, I've lost count of the number of places I've called shit holes in the past.

    Parts of the media (and the United Nations, i'm afraid to say) are helping Trump by hugely overplaying this and saying it's "racist".

    Most people have used the phrase, in private, to refer to some place at some point.
    Trump actually is racist though.
    The Mexican judge incident is proof enough of that, but he has a long history of racism.

    The way he used shithole to refer to countries in Africa/Central America does make it racist.
    You are going to have to explain that to me. Why is referring to another country as a 'shithole' racist? (I am not arguing about Trump in general, just this specific comment).
    Happy to explain.
    Referring to countries where black and brown people come from as shitholes is racist because the implication is that those people are shit.

    Referring to an individual place - let’s say a bar in London or a city in the USA as a shithole isn’t unless there is some clear ethnic marker about that place.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 13,433
    rkrkrk said:

    rkrkrk said:

    On topic, I've lost count of the number of places I've called shit holes in the past.

    Parts of the media (and the United Nations, i'm afraid to say) are helping Trump by hugely overplaying this and saying it's "racist".

    Most people have used the phrase, in private, to refer to some place at some point.
    Trump actually is racist though.
    The Mexican judge incident is proof enough of that, but he has a long history of racism.

    The way he used shithole to refer to countries in Africa/Central America does make it racist.
    You are going to have to explain that to me. Why is referring to another country as a 'shithole' racist? (I am not arguing about Trump in general, just this specific comment).
    Happy to explain.
    Referring to countries where black and brown people come from as shitholes is racist because the implication is that those people are shit.

    Referring to an individual place - let’s say a bar in London or a city in the USA as a shithole isn’t unless there is some clear ethnic marker about that place.
    Isn't this a dogs/animals divide? As in all dogs are animals, but not all animals are dogs?

    Some nations that have black and brown people in them may be shitholes, but not all the people from there are shit.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 4,149

    rkrkrk said:

    rkrkrk said:

    On topic, I've lost count of the number of places I've called shit holes in the past.

    Parts of the media (and the United Nations, i'm afraid to say) are helping Trump by hugely overplaying this and saying it's "racist".

    Most people have used the phrase, in private, to refer to some place at some point.
    Trump actually is racist though.
    The Mexican judge incident is proof enough of that, but he has a long history of racism.

    The way he used shithole to refer to countries in Africa/Central America does make it racist.
    You are going to have to explain that to me. Why is referring to another country as a 'shithole' racist? (I am not arguing about Trump in general, just this specific comment).
    Happy to explain.
    Referring to countries where black and brown people come from as shitholes is racist because the implication is that those people are shit.

    Referring to an individual place - let’s say a bar in London or a city in the USA as a shithole isn’t unless there is some clear ethnic marker about that place.
    Isn't this a dogs/animals divide? As in all dogs are animals, but not all animals are dogs?

    Some nations that have black and brown people in them may be shitholes, but not all the people from there are shit.
    I don’t really understand your point. I think it’s perfectly clear that what Trump said was racist and fits in very clearly with a bunch of other racist things he has said in the past.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 4,536
    edited January 13
    Scott_P said:
    10 new Con Peers and 3 new Lab Peers means a net gain for Con of only 7 - that's not enough to make any material difference to the outcome of many votes.

    Lab + LD currently lead Con by 50 - so that would fall to 43.

    OK, Con almost always get significantly higher turnout than Lab but even so it means Crossbenchers generally have to break in favour of the Govt for Govt to win - and that generally doesn't happen, at least not on politically contentious stuff.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 4,149
    MikeL said:

    Scott_P said:
    10 new Con Peers and 3 new Lab Peers means a net gain for Con of only 7 - that's not enough to make any material difference to the outcome of many votes.

    Lab + LD currently lead Con by 50 - so that would fall to 43.

    OK, Con almost always get significantly higher turnout than Lab but even so it means Crossbenchers generally have to break in favour of the Govt for Govt to win - and that generally doesn't happen, at least not on politically contentious stuff.
    Is there a hard limit on how many peers she can create?
    If the plan is for the transition period to essentially keep us under EU rules then I imagine that will pass easily with Lab peer support and maybe even the Lib Dems.
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 900

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:
    At the risk of crawling up my own arse, Adonis has Caravaggio wrong. Caravaggio was one of the masters of the lighting technique known as chiaroscuro, and his use involved strong light/dark contrast. You would pay good money to have your film lit as well as Caravaggio painted. Adonis means "murky", which Caravaggio exactly wasn't.

    Once again Lord Adonis demonstrates that he’s nowhere near as clever as he thinks he is. No wonder he was never elected higher than a city council....
    I expect Lord Adonis is probably a great admirer of Lord Halifax!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 28,617
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    slade said:

    I went to see The Darkest Hour tonight. Very absorbing film with some great performances. But does it sacrifice the truth for a good narrative? For example did Churchill ride the District Line and talk to a very PC group of Londoners?

    that scene should have been taken out and shot.
    Surely the reverse happened? It was shot and put it. AIUI it’s a device to illustrate Churchill’s internal conflict, rather than purporting to be an actual record of events. You were watching a drama, not a documentary.
    I know it was a narrative device. Unfortunately, it's also a hackneyed narrative device, as illustrated by the clip I posted.

    There's another, more subtle point. By reducing Churchill's resolution of his internal conflict to a chance event, it reduces his importance. To see what I mean here, imagine if he had not taken that Tube: would he have reached a different conclusion? Given what we know about Churchill, that seems implausible.
    It’s also a metaphor for “ordinary people getting it right while elites get it wrong”. I can understand why it’s got some upset.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 13,433
    rkrkrk said:

    rkrkrk said:

    rkrkrk said:

    On topic, I've lost count of the number of places I've called shit holes in the past.

    Parts of the media (and the United Nations, i'm afraid to say) are helping Trump by hugely overplaying this and saying it's "racist".

    Most people have used the phrase, in private, to refer to some place at some point.
    Trump actually is racist though.
    The Mexican judge incident is proof enough of that, but he has a long history of racism.

    The way he used shithole to refer to countries in Africa/Central America does make it racist.
    You are going to have to explain that to me. Why is referring to another country as a 'shithole' racist? (I am not arguing about Trump in general, just this specific comment).
    Happy to explain.
    Referring to countries where black and brown people come from as shitholes is racist because the implication is that those people are shit.

    Referring to an individual place - let’s say a bar in London or a city in the USA as a shithole isn’t unless there is some clear ethnic marker about that place.
    Isn't this a dogs/animals divide? As in all dogs are animals, but not all animals are dogs?

    Some nations that have black and brown people in them may be shitholes, but not all the people from there are shit.
    I don’t really understand your point. I think it’s perfectly clear that what Trump said was racist and fits in very clearly with a bunch of other racist things he has said in the past.
    I think it's perfectly clear that Trump is racist.

    I don't think it's perfectly clear that what was said was racist or means what you said it did. It's only by proxy of the additional information that it was Trump who was saying it (and the rest of the conversation) that makes it racist.

    He wouldn't have said it but had Obama said "we need to allow these people to remain, we can't send them back to those shithole nations" would that have been racist? Same phrase, completely different meaning.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 4,536
    edited January 13
    rkrkrk said:

    MikeL said:

    Scott_P said:
    10 new Con Peers and 3 new Lab Peers means a net gain for Con of only 7 - that's not enough to make any material difference to the outcome of many votes.

    Lab + LD currently lead Con by 50 - so that would fall to 43.

    OK, Con almost always get significantly higher turnout than Lab but even so it means Crossbenchers generally have to break in favour of the Govt for Govt to win - and that generally doesn't happen, at least not on politically contentious stuff.
    Is there a hard limit on how many peers she can create?
    If the plan is for the transition period to essentially keep us under EU rules then I imagine that will pass easily with Lab peer support and maybe even the Lib Dems.
    Not a precise limit in the public domain but I think she has to get it past the Cabinet Secretary and possibly others.

    Some people often talk about appointing huge numbers of new Peers but in practice that never happens.

    Even so, a total of 13 does look on the very low side given there has been no proper list of party appointees since Cameron's resignation honours list which was 18 months ago.

    (There have been odd appointments since then for new Ministers etc but not a proper list).
  • RobDRobD Posts: 32,579
    Get with the program, Carlotta. We haven’t left yet ;)
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