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Following what was perceived to be a success at the last general election, although Labour finished 58 seats behind, there have been few questions about the future of Jeremy Corbyn. He looks pretty secure and the biggest issue he faces is that he will be in his early 70s if the next election does take place, as planned, in 2022.

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  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 9,688
    First, like May.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 27,758
    edited January 18
    Failed County Councillor to leader of the labour party in less than 4 years...the world has gone mad.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 4,474

    Failed County Councillor to leader of the labour party in less than 4 years...the world has gone mad.

    Cameron did something similar in 2005 but then he was an old Etonian.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 27,758
    edited January 18

    Failed County Councillor to leader of the labour party in less than 4 years...the world has gone mad.

    Cameron did something similar in 2005 but then he was an old Etonian.
    He also wasn't as thick as mince and been in and around the political machine for years as a special adviser.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 26,187
    Yep - I’d say those are fantastic odds. She ticks every box from a Corbynista perspective and is a lot less wooden than Rebecca Long Bailey.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 8,918
    If Pidcock was the answer, remind me about the question.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 2,633

    Failed County Councillor to leader of the labour party in less than 4 years...the world has gone mad.

    So far, just, it's the Labour Party which has gone mad. The world is seemingly intent on following suite.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 4,474

    Failed County Councillor to leader of the labour party in less than 4 years...the world has gone mad.

    Cameron did something similar in 2005 but then he was an old Etonian.
    He also wasn't as thick as mince and been in and around the political machine for years as a special adviser.
    That's a comment based on ignorance - you are as thick as mince on this subject.
  • Corbyn's successor is going to be either Richard Burgon or Diane Abbott.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,723
    Mortimer said:

    First, like May.

    Presumably you mean first to lose a majority despite a 25 pt headstart
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 2,220

    Yep - I’d say those are fantastic odds. She ticks every box from a Corbynista perspective and is a lot less wooden than Rebecca Long Bailey.

    Angela Rayner is a better bet than either Pidock or Long Bailey.

    I wouldn't rule out Jess Phillips or Stella Creasy either. Neither is Corbynista, but the Labour Selectorate have never been ones to do as they are told.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,723

    Corbyn's successor is going to be either Richard Burgon or Diane Abbott.

    No chance.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 17,694
    Foxy said:

    Yep - I’d say those are fantastic odds. She ticks every box from a Corbynista perspective and is a lot less wooden than Rebecca Long Bailey.

    Angela Rayner is a better bet than either Pidock or Long Bailey.

    I wouldn't rule out Jess Phillips or Stella Creasy either. Neither is Corbynista, but the Labour Selectorate have never been ones to do as they are told.
    They’ve certainly never been ones to vote for a woman.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 8,308
    She is younger than me. This must not be allowed.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 32,226
    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/kirsty_maj0r/status/953969352180723712

    Has to be a women? So, tokenism over ability?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 26,187
    Foxy said:

    Yep - I’d say those are fantastic odds. She ticks every box from a Corbynista perspective and is a lot less wooden than Rebecca Long Bailey.

    Angela Rayner is a better bet than either Pidock or Long Bailey.

    I wouldn't rule out Jess Phillips or Stella Creasy either. Neither is Corbynista, but the Labour Selectorate have never been ones to do as they are told.

    Rayner has gone rogue and alienated a lot of middle class Corbynistas (is there another kind?) by talking about working class aspiration and respondibility. She’s out. Phillips snd Creasy are Red Tories, so were never in. Pidcock will be in the shadow cabinet relatively soon. She’s definitely one to watch.

  • Just watched an advert on ITV showing a woman hearing an alarm and jumping out of a Tower Block in free fall to be caught in a net.

    She then said

    'I've never been the right age to jump out of a building'

    And then goes on to say use No 7 day cream with our clinically proven serum.

    I was utterly appalled at the inexcusable bad taste following Grenfell.

    I hope the Company is castigated and reported to the ASA
  • stevefstevef Posts: 1,044
    She is a thin lipped fanatic. Labour is becoming a religious cult.

    The question is: when will Labour tire of losing elections?

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,723
    Foxy said:

    Yep - I’d say those are fantastic odds. She ticks every box from a Corbynista perspective and is a lot less wooden than Rebecca Long Bailey.

    Angela Rayner is a better bet than either Pidock or Long Bailey.

    I wouldn't rule out Jess Phillips or Stella Creasy either. Neither is Corbynista, but the Labour Selectorate have never been ones to do as they are told.
    Jess Phillips FFS her chances are slimmer than a Somalian after 6 months in Qardho
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 6,973

    Foxy said:

    Yep - I’d say those are fantastic odds. She ticks every box from a Corbynista perspective and is a lot less wooden than Rebecca Long Bailey.

    Angela Rayner is a better bet than either Pidock or Long Bailey.

    I wouldn't rule out Jess Phillips or Stella Creasy either. Neither is Corbynista, but the Labour Selectorate have never been ones to do as they are told.

    Rayner has gone rogue and alienated a lot of middle class Corbynistas (is there another kind?) by talking about working class aspiration and respondibility. She’s out. Phillips snd Creasy are Red Tories, so were never in. Pidcock will be in the shadow cabinet relatively soon. She’s definitely one to watch.

    Aaron Bastani (one of the biggest Corbynistas) was defending Rayner recently. They definitely don’t like Creasy and Phillips, I agree.

    Out of all of those women, ideally I’d like to see Jess Philips lead Labour.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 9,830
    edited January 18

    Foxy said:

    Yep - I’d say those are fantastic odds. She ticks every box from a Corbynista perspective and is a lot less wooden than Rebecca Long Bailey.

    Angela Rayner is a better bet than either Pidock or Long Bailey.

    I wouldn't rule out Jess Phillips or Stella Creasy either. Neither is Corbynista, but the Labour Selectorate have never been ones to do as they are told.

    Rayner has gone rogue and alienated a lot of middle class Corbynistas (is there another kind?) by talking about working class aspiration and respondibility[sic].
    Really, really posh ones looking for freebies?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 11,436

    Just watched an advert on ITV showing a woman hearing an alarm and jumping out of a Tower Block in free fall to be caught in a net.

    She then said

    'I've never been the right age to jump out of a building'

    And then goes on to say use No 7 day cream with our clinically proven serum.

    I was utterly appalled at the inexcusable bad taste following Grenfell.

    I hope the Company is castigated and reported to the ASA

    Seize the day, old sport.

    https://www.asa.org.uk/make-a-complaint.html
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 35,839
    RobD said:

    Has to be a women? So, tokenism over ability?

    The article actually tips a man
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,723
    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Yep - I’d say those are fantastic odds. She ticks every box from a Corbynista perspective and is a lot less wooden than Rebecca Long Bailey.

    Angela Rayner is a better bet than either Pidock or Long Bailey.

    I wouldn't rule out Jess Phillips or Stella Creasy either. Neither is Corbynista, but the Labour Selectorate have never been ones to do as they are told.
    They’ve certainly never been ones to vote for a woman.
    Cooper and 4% Kendall!!

    Thornberry would currently get my vote.

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 19,420
    I couldn’t be friends with a Tory... but lots of them will vote for me?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 9,830

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Yep - I’d say those are fantastic odds. She ticks every box from a Corbynista perspective and is a lot less wooden than Rebecca Long Bailey.

    Angela Rayner is a better bet than either Pidock or Long Bailey.

    I wouldn't rule out Jess Phillips or Stella Creasy either. Neither is Corbynista, but the Labour Selectorate have never been ones to do as they are told.
    They’ve certainly never been ones to vote for a woman.
    Cooper and 4% Kendall!!

    Thornberry would currently get my vote.

    One of the more surprising facts about Labour leadership elections is that in four attempts - Beckett, Abbott, Cooper, and Kendall - no woman has yet managed to finish above a man.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 17,604
    stevef said:

    She is a thin lipped fanatic. Labour is becoming a religious cult.

    The question is: when will Labour tire of losing elections?

    Hopefully not in my lifetime.....
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 19,420
    Foxy said:

    Yep - I’d say those are fantastic odds. She ticks every box from a Corbynista perspective and is a lot less wooden than Rebecca Long Bailey.

    Angela Rayner is a better bet than either Pidock or Long Bailey.

    I wouldn't rule out Jess Phillips or Stella Creasy either. Neither is Corbynista, but the Labour Selectorate have never been ones to do as they are told.
    Like vote for a woman?

    (Coincidently all 5 of the names you raised are women)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 23,977
    Charles said:

    I couldn’t be friends with a Tory... but lots of them will vote for me?

    Probably a vote winner amongst the Labour selectorate.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 6,973
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Yep - I’d say those are fantastic odds. She ticks every box from a Corbynista perspective and is a lot less wooden than Rebecca Long Bailey.

    Angela Rayner is a better bet than either Pidock or Long Bailey.

    I wouldn't rule out Jess Phillips or Stella Creasy either. Neither is Corbynista, but the Labour Selectorate have never been ones to do as they are told.

    Rayner has gone rogue and alienated a lot of middle class Corbynistas (is there another kind?) by talking about working class aspiration and respondibility[sic].
    Really, really posh ones looking for freebies?
    According to NatCen Labour appealed to the young JAMs, so yes Corbynistas that aren’t middle class do exist. Corbyn is pretty popular among many young BAMEs, many of whom don’t exactly come from posh backgrounds.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 6,973
    Charles said:

    I couldn’t be friends with a Tory... but lots of them will vote for me?

    I doubt Pidcock is expecting Tories to vote for her.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 9,830
    edited January 18

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Yep - I’d say those are fantastic odds. She ticks every box from a Corbynista perspective and is a lot less wooden than Rebecca Long Bailey.

    Angela Rayner is a better bet than either Pidock or Long Bailey.

    I wouldn't rule out Jess Phillips or Stella Creasy either. Neither is Corbynista, but the Labour Selectorate have never been ones to do as they are told.

    Rayner has gone rogue and alienated a lot of middle class Corbynistas (is there another kind?) by talking about working class aspiration and respondibility[sic].
    Really, really posh ones looking for freebies?
    According to NatCen Labour appealed to the young JAMs, so yes Corbynistas that aren’t middle class do exist. Corbyn is pretty popular among many young BAMEs, many of whom don’t exactly come from posh backgrounds.
    Pointing out that there is at least one other kind doesn't imply there is no other kind.

    If it were, TSE would be very happy with your post!
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 10,570
    edited January 18
    Re Ben Bradley

    I wonder if his birth control thoughts might have been influenced by this other Derbyshire Man who was regularly in the news in the preceeding years:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Philpott

    ' Michael "Mick" Philpott (born 1956) is a British father who was found guilty of causing the deaths of six of his children by arson in 2012. Philpott, who had made several media appearances because of his benefits-funded lifestyle and polyamorous relationships, was sentenced to life imprisonment for their manslaughter. He had first come to prominence in the British media as a result of his large family (having fathered 17 children by various women), and his reliance on state benefits. '
  • volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 1,968
    edited January 18
    I'm currently happy with my ante-post portfolio of if Jezza fell in front of a bus candidate,of Emily Thornberry at 28-1 BET 365 as advised by me a while ago on this site.As in any ante-post market, it's a long term market for future betting bank accumulation.If you're looking for a quick return of income,then you need to obtain a tradeable asset .To reduce risk these days,I always use a dutching method.Who says you can't back more than one horse in a race and not 2 or more?
    As the event is so far away,Laura Pidcock could blossom and 33-1 could look very big come 2027.I trust John McDonnell's judgement and Rebecca Long-Bailey at 20-1 I might leave for the kids' inheritance.I cannot advise to do this as I do not yet have 3 reasons to do so and under OLBG rules you always gotta have 3 good reasons to part with your hard-earned,a good discipline.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 23,977
    So, Labour agree their next leader should be a women.

    Which means their next leader won't be a woman.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 6,973
    edited January 18
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Yep - I’d say those are fantastic odds. She ticks every box from a Corbynista perspective and is a lot less wooden than Rebecca Long Bailey.

    Angela Rayner is a better bet than either Pidock or Long Bailey.

    I wouldn't rule out Jess Phillips or Stella Creasy either. Neither is Corbynista, but the Labour Selectorate have never been ones to do as they are told.

    Rayner has gone rogue and alienated a lot of middle class Corbynistas (is there another kind?) by talking about working class aspiration and respondibility[sic].
    Really, really posh ones looking for freebies?
    According to NatCen Labour appealed to the young JAMs, so yes Corbynistas that aren’t middle class do exist. Corbyn is pretty popular among many young BAMEs, many of whom don’t exactly come from posh backgrounds.
    Pointing out that there is at least one other kind doesn't imply there is no other kind.

    If it were, TSE would be very happy with your post!
    I probably should have replied directly to Southam on this one. He was asking whether there’s another kind of Corbynista in the post you were replying to - that was what spurred on my post.
  • HHemmeligHHemmelig Posts: 615

    Foxy said:

    Yep - I’d say those are fantastic odds. She ticks every box from a Corbynista perspective and is a lot less wooden than Rebecca Long Bailey.

    Angela Rayner is a better bet than either Pidock or Long Bailey.

    I wouldn't rule out Jess Phillips or Stella Creasy either. Neither is Corbynista, but the Labour Selectorate have never been ones to do as they are told.

    Rayner has gone rogue and alienated a lot of middle class Corbynistas (is there another kind?) by talking about working class aspiration and respondibility. She’s out. Phillips snd Creasy are Red Tories, so were never in. Pidcock will be in the shadow cabinet relatively soon. She’s definitely one to watch.

    Aaron Bastani (one of the biggest Corbynistas) was defending Rayner recently. They definitely don’t like Creasy and Phillips, I agree.

    Out of all of those women, ideally I’d like to see Jess Philips lead Labour.
    Jess Phillips makes Trump sound eloquent
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 9,688

    Charles said:

    I couldn’t be friends with a Tory... but lots of them will vote for me?

    I doubt Pidcock is expecting Tories to vote for her.
    Not expecting to win a general anytime soon, then.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 17,694
    HHemmelig said:

    Foxy said:

    Yep - I’d say those are fantastic odds. She ticks every box from a Corbynista perspective and is a lot less wooden than Rebecca Long Bailey.

    Angela Rayner is a better bet than either Pidock or Long Bailey.

    I wouldn't rule out Jess Phillips or Stella Creasy either. Neither is Corbynista, but the Labour Selectorate have never been ones to do as they are told.

    Rayner has gone rogue and alienated a lot of middle class Corbynistas (is there another kind?) by talking about working class aspiration and respondibility. She’s out. Phillips snd Creasy are Red Tories, so were never in. Pidcock will be in the shadow cabinet relatively soon. She’s definitely one to watch.

    Aaron Bastani (one of the biggest Corbynistas) was defending Rayner recently. They definitely don’t like Creasy and Phillips, I agree.

    Out of all of those women, ideally I’d like to see Jess Philips lead Labour.
    Jess Phillips makes Trump sound eloquent
    That’s a little harsh. On Trump.
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,652
    Charles said:

    I couldn’t be friends with a Tory... but lots of them will vote for me?

    Exactly. I got burned thinking that Corbyn would be electoral poison for Labour, nevertheless I'm confident in saying that Pidcock could be the one to lead them to under 30% of the vote.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 8,918
    Pidcock's remarks on Tories may not endear her to any who might want to jump ship and join vote Labour. By all means play to the core vote in your home constituency but words of encouragement go a long way. Wilson, Blair and Attlee recognised Labour was a broad church, and tempered their appeal to win power. So far, Pidcock has remained antagonistic and tribal, so far there is little to show that she can reach out to floating voters.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 17,637
    A woman leading Labour ? I’ll tell the jokes..
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 6,973
    edited January 18
    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I couldn’t be friends with a Tory... but lots of them will vote for me?

    I doubt Pidcock is expecting Tories to vote for her.
    Not expecting to win a general anytime soon, then.
    Some Labour supporters think they can win by convincing more non-voters to vote for them. Though the Pidcock view of Tories has around long before her election as an MP, and was certainly something many Corbynistas subscribed to during the GE - yet oddly, it didn’t put off some Conservative Remainers from switching.
  • stevefstevef Posts: 1,044
    The current Labour Party should find a mountain somewhere and christen it Mount Losemore. And in its rock, they should sculpt the faces of those heroes of Labour who have taken Labour to glorious defeat. The magnificent Michael Foot. The windbag Neil Kinnock. The dour Gordon Brown. The legendary Jeremy Corbyn who like Neil will have the glorious honour of leading Labour to magnificent defeat twice.

    None of these heroic losers cast in stone on Mount Losemore however at first will be the face of a woman. Who will it be for 2027? Will it be the innumerate Diane Abbott? Or will it be Laura Pillock, ...sorry Pidcock, who declares that she would never be friends with a Tory, but expects voters in Tory marginals to vote for her.

    And as this remarkable Mountain of losers and failures is built, have a thought for those of us who want to get rid of the Tories and remember the days when Labour leaders had the lap of honour AFTER they had won an election.
  • volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 1,968
    Charles said:

    I couldn’t be friends with a Tory... but lots of them will vote for me?

    Laura has in fact softened her stance.Do try and keep up,Charles.She fully accepts Tories are humans as I do except I think they have the empathy gene missing.Therefore,she accepts Tories can vote for her.She won't exclude anyone.

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/jeremy-corbyn/news/91688/labour-mp-laura-pidcock-tories-are

  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 8,918
    @Theuniondivvie Very funny. Good spot.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 30,361

    Charles said:

    I couldn’t be friends with a Tory... but lots of them will vote for me?

    Laura has in fact softened her stance.Do try and keep up,Charles.She fully accepts Tories are humans as I do except I think they have the empathy gene missing.
    But what of those who have voted for them, then switch to Labour (or someone else) and back and forth? Does the empathy gene only work sometimes, and how do unempathetic things happen even when Tories are not in control? It's all so confusing, when will medical science resolve this!?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 30,361
    HHemmelig said:

    Foxy said:

    Yep - I’d say those are fantastic odds. She ticks every box from a Corbynista perspective and is a lot less wooden than Rebecca Long Bailey.

    Angela Rayner is a better bet than either Pidock or Long Bailey.

    I wouldn't rule out Jess Phillips or Stella Creasy either. Neither is Corbynista, but the Labour Selectorate have never been ones to do as they are told.

    Rayner has gone rogue and alienated a lot of middle class Corbynistas (is there another kind?) by talking about working class aspiration and respondibility. She’s out. Phillips snd Creasy are Red Tories, so were never in. Pidcock will be in the shadow cabinet relatively soon. She’s definitely one to watch.

    Aaron Bastani (one of the biggest Corbynistas) was defending Rayner recently. They definitely don’t like Creasy and Phillips, I agree.

    Out of all of those women, ideally I’d like to see Jess Philips lead Labour.
    Jess Phillips makes Trump sound eloquent
    Well, he's proven that at least in the short term you do not need eloquence.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,723

    Foxy said:

    Yep - I’d say those are fantastic odds. She ticks every box from a Corbynista perspective and is a lot less wooden than Rebecca Long Bailey.

    Angela Rayner is a better bet than either Pidock or Long Bailey.

    I wouldn't rule out Jess Phillips or Stella Creasy either. Neither is Corbynista, but the Labour Selectorate have never been ones to do as they are told.

    Rayner has gone rogue and alienated a lot of middle class Corbynistas (is there another kind?) by talking about working class aspiration and respondibility. She’s out. Phillips snd Creasy are Red Tories, so were never in. Pidcock will be in the shadow cabinet relatively soon. She’s definitely one to watch.

    I’d like to see Jess Philips lead Labour.
    God you must hate Labour more than ST and N4E
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 30,361

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I couldn’t be friends with a Tory... but lots of them will vote for me?

    I doubt Pidcock is expecting Tories to vote for her.
    Not expecting to win a general anytime soon, then.
    Some Labour supporters think they can win by convincing more non-voters to vote for them. Though the Pidcock view of Tories has around long before her election as an MP, and was certainly something many Corbynistas subscribed to during the GE - yet oddly, it didn’t put off some Conservative Remainers from switching.
    Indeed, and I think that is one reason some Tories hold the view it won't happen again, on the basis they only did such a thing because they thought Corbyn wouldn't come close to winning. But that would be a very risky thing to rely on indeed.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 9,688

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I couldn’t be friends with a Tory... but lots of them will vote for me?

    I doubt Pidcock is expecting Tories to vote for her.
    Not expecting to win a general anytime soon, then.
    Some Labour supporters think they can win by convincing more non-voters to vote for them. Though the Pidcock view of Tories has around long before her election as an MP, and was certainly something many Corbynistas subscribed to during the GE - yet oddly, it didn’t put off some Conservative Remainers from switching.
    Didn't recent analysis put actual turnout well above 80% at the last election...?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,723
    stevef said:

    The current Labour Party should find a mountain somewhere and christen it Mount Losemore. And in its rock, they should sculpt the faces of those heroes of Labour who have taken Labour to glorious defeat. The magnificent Michael Foot. The windbag Neil Kinnock. The dour Gordon Brown. The legendary Jeremy Corbyn who like Neil will have the glorious honour of leading Labour to magnificent defeat twice.

    None of these heroic losers cast in stone on Mount Losemore however at first will be the face of a woman. Who will it be for 2027? Will it be the innumerate Diane Abbott? Or will it be Laura Pillock, ...sorry Pidcock, who declares that she would never be friends with a Tory, but expects voters in Tory marginals to vote for her.

    And as this remarkable Mountain of losers and failures is built, have a thought for those of us who want to get rid of the Tories and remember the days when Labour leaders had the lap of honour AFTER they had won an election.

    Have faith Comrade Jezza wins next time.

    As someone who wants to get rid of the Tories how did you vote in GE2017.

    I know you have been asked this several times before and failed to answer.

    But as one Labour man to another ......
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,723
    Would be my luck to be the woman and find out i had saved Ben Bradley
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 6,973
    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I couldn’t be friends with a Tory... but lots of them will vote for me?

    I doubt Pidcock is expecting Tories to vote for her.
    Not expecting to win a general anytime soon, then.
    Some Labour supporters think they can win by convincing more non-voters to vote for them. Though the Pidcock view of Tories has around long before her election as an MP, and was certainly something many Corbynistas subscribed to during the GE - yet oddly, it didn’t put off some Conservative Remainers from switching.
    Didn't recent analysis put actual turnout well above 80% at the last election...?
    A lot of Corbynistas see turnout at the last election as something which supports their point - they did manage to get non-voters out to vote Labour. Though I agree that they’ll need more than just non-voters to win a GE.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 9,910
    edited January 18
    Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?

    And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.

    The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?

    That Laura Pidcock?

    Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 6,973


    But the reason why the “Millenials are Maoists” narrative is so tempting to the right is that if the Conservatives cannot win stable majorities among a generation that wants to own its on home, is economically liberal in general, that raises very difficult questions about either the party’s strategic abilities, the effectiveness of its policy platform or both. It feels like the right is simply getting its excuses in early: because saying “We couldn’t possibly win over this generation of leftwingers” is a lot more comforting than the real question: which is why is the British right doing so badly with a generation of economic and social liberals?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 9,688
    Cyclefree said:

    Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?

    And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.

    The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?

    That Laura Pidcock?

    Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.

    Chortle.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 2,041
    I have met Ms Pidcock. She is personally charming with a good deal of charisma. (So does Norman Tebbit for political balance).
    She is, however, 30 years old. She is too young to be leader next (even were JC to continue and win in 2022) so am not betting on her.
    Next but one is not impossible though.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 19,839
    Cyclefree said:

    Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?

    And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.

    The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?

    That Laura Pidcock?

    Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.

    That story was really all I have heard about Ms Pidcock. It didn’t make a great impression.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 8,078
    Good grief
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,723
    Cyclefree said:

    Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?

    And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.

    The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?

    That Laura Pidcock?

    Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.

    Shes bought a house and not only a house but a detached one.

    Of course her and her partner dont really need 3 bedrooms either they should make do with a tent IMO.

    And she has been on holiday as well what a bloody hypocrite.

    You do astound me at times Ms Cyclefree.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 10,570
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 19,420

    Charles said:

    I couldn’t be friends with a Tory... but lots of them will vote for me?

    I doubt Pidcock is expecting Tories to vote for her.
    Makes it harder to win a general election
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 2,041

    Cyclefree said:

    Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?

    And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.

    The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?

    That Laura Pidcock?

    Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.

    Shes bought a house and not only a house but a detached one.

    Of course her and her partner dont really need 3 bedrooms either they should make do with a tent IMO.

    And she has been on holiday as well what a bloody hypocrite.

    You do astound me at times Ms Cyclefree.
    £145 000 in Lanchester. Here is an example of summat similar....
    Hardly excessive on an MP's salary.
    https://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/property/lanchester/
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 8,918
    edited January 18
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 21,123

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I couldn’t be friends with a Tory... but lots of them will vote for me?

    I doubt Pidcock is expecting Tories to vote for her.
    Not expecting to win a general anytime soon, then.
    Some Labour supporters think they can win by convincing more non-voters to vote for them. Though the Pidcock view of Tories has around long before her election as an MP, and was certainly something many Corbynistas subscribed to during the GE - yet oddly, it didn’t put off some Conservative Remainers from switching.
    It depends who turns out. If turnout had matched the level of the EU referendum, then I think the Conservatives would have got 326+ seats, but would a further increase in turnout have boosted Labour?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 19,506
    More Labour party members have voted for a woman leader than Conservative party members.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 32,226

    Cyclefree said:

    Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?

    And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.

    The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?

    That Laura Pidcock?

    Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.

    Shes bought a house and not only a house but a detached one.

    Of course her and her partner dont really need 3 bedrooms either they should make do with a tent IMO.

    And she has been on holiday as well what a bloody hypocrite.

    You do astound me at times Ms Cyclefree.
    But she went on holiday rather than attend a debate/vote on an issue she claims is important to her. As for the house, claiming she can’t afford one and then proceeding to buy one does seem a little odd.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 8,918
    Another tweet for Laura P to reflect on.

  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 5,434
    Cyclefree said:

    Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?

    And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.

    The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?

    That Laura Pidcock?

    Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.

    WTF do you do for a whole week somewhere as small, smug, boring, self-regarding and over-hyped as Venice?
  • Ishmael_Z said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?

    And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.

    The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?

    That Laura Pidcock?

    Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.

    WTF do you do for a whole week somewhere as small, smug, boring, self-regarding and over-hyped as Venice?
    Food, sex, and the occasional gondola ride.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693

    Cyclefree said:

    Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?

    And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.

    The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?

    That Laura Pidcock?

    Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.

    Shes bought a house and not only a house but a detached one.

    Of course her and her partner dont really need 3 bedrooms either they should make do with a tent IMO.

    And she has been on holiday as well what a bloody hypocrite.

    You do astound me at times Ms Cyclefree.
    lol
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,723
    RobD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?

    And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.

    The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?

    That Laura Pidcock?

    Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.

    Shes bought a house and not only a house but a detached one.

    Of course her and her partner dont really need 3 bedrooms either they should make do with a tent IMO.

    And she has been on holiday as well what a bloody hypocrite.

    You do astound me at times Ms Cyclefree.
    But she went on holiday rather than attend a debate/vote on an issue she claims is important to her. As for the house, claiming she can’t afford one and then proceeding to buy one does seem a little odd.
    When you say buy you mean her and her partner who also claims to be a Socialist got a mortgage on one. I agree very odd. You are right to be suspicious of her. What next the pitter patter of little Jeremy or Jeremiah
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 4,474
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    I couldn’t be friends with a Tory... but lots of them will vote for me?

    I doubt Pidcock is expecting Tories to vote for her.
    Makes it harder to win a general election
    Maybe. But elections are more likely won by getting your own vote out than wining converts. CON lost majority in June because the oldies didn't out on same scale as previous elections but there was a much bigger turnout than previously of younger voters.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 32,226

    RobD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?

    And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.

    The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?

    That Laura Pidcock?

    Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.

    Shes bought a house and not only a house but a detached one.

    Of course her and her partner dont really need 3 bedrooms either they should make do with a tent IMO.

    And she has been on holiday as well what a bloody hypocrite.

    You do astound me at times Ms Cyclefree.
    But she went on holiday rather than attend a debate/vote on an issue she claims is important to her. As for the house, claiming she can’t afford one and then proceeding to buy one does seem a little odd.
    When you say buy you mean her and her partner who also claims to be a Socialist got a mortgage on one. I agree very odd. You are right to be suspicious of her. What next the pitter patter of little Jeremy or Jeremiah
    But she claimed not to be able to afford one?

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5105725/labour-mp-laura-pidcock-buys-home-county-durham/
  • TomsToms Posts: 1,514
    Cyclefree said:

    Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?

    And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.

    The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?

    That Laura Pidcock?

    Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.

    30 years old going on 16 ?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,723
    DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?

    And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.

    The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?

    That Laura Pidcock?

    Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.

    That story was really all I have heard about Ms Pidcock. It didn’t make a great impression.
    Damn if only she had carried on renting and had a day trip to Madame Tussauds for her birthday she would have had your vote in the bag.

    Silly girl
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 30,361



    But the reason why the “Millenials are Maoists” narrative is so tempting to the right is that if the Conservatives cannot win stable majorities among a generation that wants to own its on home, is economically liberal in general, that raises very difficult questions about either the party’s strategic abilities, the effectiveness of its policy platform or both. It feels like the right is simply getting its excuses in early: because saying “We couldn’t possibly win over this generation of leftwingers” is a lot more comforting than the real question: which is why is the British right doing so badly with a generation of economic and social liberals?

    It's certainly true that if the Tories cannot convince sufficient numbers of the young to support them, even accepting Labour would be expected to do better with the young, then it is their own fault, nor are outright communists a large number of the young, even when I was that age it was a joke about how there were such people among us, and usually they were the noisiest. The joke of the newly enlightened communist young person is not without any foundation, but the Tories cannot use it as an excuse for not winning.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 32,226
    edited January 18

    DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?

    And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.

    The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?

    That Laura Pidcock?

    Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.

    That story was really all I have heard about Ms Pidcock. It didn’t make a great impression.
    Damn if only she had carried on renting and had a day trip to Madame Tussauds for her birthday she would have had your vote in the bag.

    Silly girl
    At least then she would have been in town to get on with the job her constituents elected her to do ;)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 64,969
    edited January 18
    Boris Johnson talks about a massive erection

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 30,361

    Boris Johnson talks about massive erection

    Who would pay for such a bridge, Boris?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,723
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?

    And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.

    The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?

    That Laura Pidcock?

    Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.

    WTF do you do for a whole week somewhere as small, smug, boring, self-regarding and over-hyped as Venice?
    Are we sure it wasnt Venus!!
  • kle4 said:

    Boris Johnson talks about massive erection

    Who would pay for such a bridge, Boris?
    Paid for from the dividends of Brexit?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 30,361

    kle4 said:

    Boris Johnson talks about massive erection

    Who would pay for such a bridge, Boris?
    Paid for from the dividends of Brexit?
    I think any such dividends could be better spent.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 2,041
    kle4 said:

    Boris Johnson talks about massive erection

    Who would pay for such a bridge, Boris?
    Yet another vanity project for the SE. Suppose the North will have to put up with what we have.
  • kle4 said:

    Boris Johnson talks about massive erection

    Who would pay for such a bridge, Boris?
    France
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 9,910

    Cyclefree said:

    Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?

    And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.

    The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?

    That Laura Pidcock?

    Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.

    Shes bought a house and not only a house but a detached one.

    Of course her and her partner dont really need 3 bedrooms either they should make do with a tent IMO.

    And she has been on holiday as well what a bloody hypocrite.

    You do astound me at times Ms Cyclefree.
    You miss the point. MPs have long holidays. She could have celebrated her birthday then or at the weekend. If the plight of her constituents on UC meant as much as she claimed, she should have stayed for the debate and done her bloody job and fought for them.

    She earns well over twice the average salary so moaning about not being able to buy a house was self-indulgent nonsense - and untrue.

    Your party claims the moral high ground. It is nauseating when the evidence is that so many of your representatives are just as self-interested and selfish and hypocritical as the rest of us. So bloody stop it. Stop looking at the motes in others’ eyes and examine the beams in your own.

    Like this - http://hurryupharry.org/2018/01/16/the-shortlisted-labour-candidate-who-shared-antisemitic-memes/ - for instance: does it make you proud to be a Labour man when fellow members write stuff like this?

  • RobDRobD Posts: 32,226
    dixiedean said:

    kle4 said:

    Boris Johnson talks about massive erection

    twitter.com/hendopolis/status/954110038142062599

    Who would pay for such a bridge, Boris?
    Yet another vanity project for the SE. Suppose the North will have to put up with what we have.
    Who knows.. it could start from Grimsby... :p
  • dixiedean said:

    kle4 said:

    Boris Johnson talks about massive erection

    Who would pay for such a bridge, Boris?
    Yet another vanity project for the SE. Suppose the North will have to put up with what we have.
    I don't know, a bridge from Hull to Zeebrugge would be a great idea.
  • stevefstevef Posts: 1,044
    The point is does Labour want to win a general election or it content to sing silly songs and do laps of honour when the B team comes second?

    Corbyn, his cronies and his proteges are the B team -with few exceptions. As the Stalinist grip on Labour tightens Labour is in danger of becoming a Friday night Marxist book club, and not a serious party of government. Laura Pidcock looks like a Maoist librarian. She may be content with that role.

    There is no law to say that Labour has to be one of the two great parties competing for power at general elections. Parties can and do die. They get replaced. Ask the Liberals.



  • kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Boris Johnson talks about massive erection

    Who would pay for such a bridge, Boris?
    Paid for from the dividends of Brexit?
    I think any such dividends could be better spent.
    Such as?
  • Boris Johnson has raised the prospect of Britain and France building a bridge over the Channel as Emmanuel Macron said the two countries should “make a new tapestry together”.

    The Foreign Secretary, who met his French counterpart at an Anglo-French summit today, said it was “ridiculous” that two of the world’s biggest economies are “linked by a single railway”.

    He has already championed the idea of a road tunnel under the Channel alongside the existing tunnel that carries rail passengers and freight but believes a bridge might now be an option.....

    .....Mr Johnson’s hopes of a 22-mile Channel Bridge, however, proved the most eye-catching suggestion to come out of the talks. He hinted at his desire for more big Anglo-French infrastructure projects when he tweeted: “I’m especially pleased we are establishing a panel of experts to look at major projects together.

    “Our economic success depends on good infrastructure and good connections. Should the Channel Tunnel be just a first step?”

    Mr Johnson is understood to have told aides: “We are two of the world’s greatest economies linked by a single railway. It’s ridiculous.

    “Technology is moving on all the time and there are much longer bridges elsewhere, including one that is 34 miles long in Japan.”

    He believes the Channel Tunnel cannot provide the capacity which will be needed for increased tourism and trade between the two countries in future decades, and The Daily Telegraph understands that he discussed a new privately-funded bridge or tunnel link with his French counterparts.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/01/18/boris-johnson-calls-bridge-across-channel-saying-itsridiculous/
  • dixiedean said:

    kle4 said:

    Boris Johnson talks about massive erection

    Who would pay for such a bridge, Boris?
    Yet another vanity project for the SE. Suppose the North will have to put up with what we have.
    At least there is the Mersey gateway but you have to pay to use it and there are no toll booths resulting in hundreds of fines to North Wales users
  • RobDRobD Posts: 32,226

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Boris Johnson talks about massive erection

    Who would pay for such a bridge, Boris?
    Paid for from the dividends of Brexit?
    I think any such dividends could be better spent.
    Such as?
    A couple of giant trebuchets with which we can send the EU's divorce bill?
  • Non paywalled version of the bridge story

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 11,436
    stevef said:


    There is no law to say that Labour has to be one of the two great parties competing for power at general elections. Parties can and do die. They get replaced. Ask the Liberals.

    A lot of Tories were saying similar on here at the first annunciation of Jezza.
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