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edited January 31 in General

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I can hear the spluttering already. How could such a comparison be made? How dare someone even make it! After all, Corbyn represents pretty much everything Thatcher fought against. And for Corbyn Thatcher epitomised the hard-hearted neoliberal capitalist ideology he has consistently opposed his entire political life.

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 65,000
    edited January 31
    What a scruff Corbyn looks in that clip.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 65,000
    edited January 31
    Oh and primus inter pares, again.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 17,709
    edited January 31
    Question to which the answer is no. (Well written article though).
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 17,612
    Maggie Thatcher had her trusted colleagues killed - and herself blown up - by the IRA.

    Jeremy Corbyn? Not so much.....
  • One obvious difference - Thatcher won an election ad Corbyn didn't
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 12,763

    Maggie Thatcher had her trusted colleagues killed - and herself blown up - by the IRA.

    Jeremy Corbyn? Not so much.....

    Does that read the way you want it to read?
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 883
    edited January 31
    FPT: on votes at 16, I've never really understood the link between things like sex and cigarettes and voting. Why would doing either make me want to vote or need to vote more?

    However as soon as you're paying tax then I reckon it makes sense - no taxation without representation. Perhaps those saying we shouldn't allow U-18s the vote should also exempt them from income tax and NI? Does anyone know the proportion of 16-17 year olds who pay tax? If high then voting rights are a logical companion.

    (I also don't buy the leaving education thing - FE might be rather higher up the priority list if 16-17 year olds could vote and no bad thing. But an argument for another post.)
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 28,345
    Interesting hypothesis - and agree entirely that the Tories need to fight the battle on the policy front - where they significantly lagged Labour in 2017 - in 2015 they'd tied:

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 17,612
    TOPPING said:

    Maggie Thatcher had her trusted colleagues killed - and herself blown up - by the IRA.

    Jeremy Corbyn? Not so much.....

    Does that read the way you want it to read?
    Depends how much you are into conspiracy theories....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 17,612
    tpfkar said:

    FPT: on votes at 16, I've never really understood the link between things like sex and cigarettes and voting. Why would doing either make me want to vote or need to vote more?

    However as soon as you're paying tax then I reckon it makes sense - no taxation without representation. Perhaps those saying we shouldn't allow U-18s the vote should also exempt them from income tax and NI? Does anyone know the proportion of 16-17 year olds who pay tax? If high then voting rights are a logical companion.

    (I also don't buy the leaving education thing - FE might be rather higher up the priority list if 16-17 year olds could vote and no bad thing. But an argument for another post.)

    If 16 year olds have a National Insurance number and are earning the minimum wage, there is a case for them having a vote. Those snug in the bosom of further education - not so much.....
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 17,709
    edited January 31
    tpfkar said:

    FPT: on votes at 16, I've never really understood the link between things like sex and cigarettes and voting. Why would doing either make me want to vote or need to vote more?

    However as soon as you're paying tax then I reckon it makes sense - no taxation without representation. Perhaps those saying we shouldn't allow U-18s the vote should also exempt them from income tax and NI? Does anyone know the proportion of 16-17 year olds who pay tax? If high then voting rights are a logical companion.

    (I also don't buy the leaving education thing - FE might be rather higher up the priority list if 16-17 year olds could vote and no bad thing. But an argument for another post.)

    Education until 18 is now compulsory, so the only people paying more than token amounts of tax under that age will be the likes of child actors and singers. Maybe the odd professional computer gamer.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 28,345
    RoyalBlue said:
    One less headache for the EU - tho it might make the Spanish bolshy over Gib.......
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 12,763

    RoyalBlue said:
    One less headache for the EU - tho it might make the Spanish bolshy over Gib.......
    NO NO NO NO NO.

    One fewer headache for the EU.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 18,218
    Sandpit said:

    tpfkar said:

    FPT: on votes at 16, I've never really understood the link between things like sex and cigarettes and voting. Why would doing either make me want to vote or need to vote more?

    However as soon as you're paying tax then I reckon it makes sense - no taxation without representation. Perhaps those saying we shouldn't allow U-18s the vote should also exempt them from income tax and NI? Does anyone know the proportion of 16-17 year olds who pay tax? If high then voting rights are a logical companion.

    (I also don't buy the leaving education thing - FE might be rather higher up the priority list if 16-17 year olds could vote and no bad thing. But an argument for another post.)

    Education until 18 is now compulsory, so the only people paying more than token amounts of tax under that age will be the likes of child actors and singers. Maybe the odd professional computer gamer.
    Some apprentices and trainees may also pay some tax, but overall it's a very small proportion I expect.
  • TonyETonyE Posts: 938
    tpfkar said:

    FPT: on votes at 16, I've never really understood the link between things like sex and cigarettes and voting. Why would doing either make me want to vote or need to vote more?

    However as soon as you're paying tax then I reckon it makes sense - no taxation without representation. Perhaps those saying we shouldn't allow U-18s the vote should also exempt them from income tax and NI? Does anyone know the proportion of 16-17 year olds who pay tax? If high then voting rights are a logical companion.

    (I also don't buy the leaving education thing - FE might be rather higher up the priority list if 16-17 year olds could vote and no bad thing. But an argument for another post.)

    Everybody who spends money pays tax. VAT.
    However, the reasoning behind the more recent trend in legislation that 'U18s are not mature enough to choose to' - Leave education, Buy cigarettes, Buy Alcohol, Buy Knives, and many other things suggests that there is in every other aspect of life total agreement in Parliament.

    I would then remove them from NI and Income Tax. Though it's very difficult for u18s to be liable for Income tax, as they have to be in full time educations and the working time directive makes it difficult to work the hours.
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 772
    Click
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 11,047
    TOPPING said:

    RoyalBlue said:
    One less headache for the EU - tho it might make the Spanish bolshy over Gib.......
    NO NO NO NO NO.

    One fewer headache for the EU.
    'One fewer' doesn't sound right. At all.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 21,165
    The case for votes at 16 would have been stronger when most people left school at 14 and went to work.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 7,428
    TOPPING said:

    RoyalBlue said:
    One less headache for the EU - tho it might make the Spanish bolshy over Gib.......
    NO NO NO NO NO.

    One fewer headache for the EU.
    No, it's definitely one less not one fewer
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 17,709
    Feminists rejoice at the news that hundreds of women are going to lose their jobs...
    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/headlines/2018/1/formula-1-to-stop-using-grid-girls-.html
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 28,345
    Interesting clip......27 years on homelessness and rough sleeping.....and empty council properties.....are still with us......
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 12,763
    edited January 31

    TOPPING said:

    RoyalBlue said:
    One less headache for the EU - tho it might make the Spanish bolshy over Gib.......
    NO NO NO NO NO.

    One fewer headache for the EU.
    No, it's definitely one less not one fewer
    Hmm, and I agree with @OldKingCole it doesn't sound right but it is a discrete thing and you can't stick a pitchfork in it...

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 40,570
    We better not hope Corbyn is Thatcher otherwise we are in for socialism for the next three decades.

    More likely Attlee was the left-wing Thatcher and Corbyn would in government be a cross between Francois Hollande and Alexis Tsipras, the former lasted one term after abysmal polling, the latter won on hoscsecond attempt but is now also well behind in the polls
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 19,880
    Well thank goodness that plonker is never going to amount to anything. Weird clip though.
  • ChelyabinskChelyabinsk Posts: 193
    FPT:
    Anazina said:

    If people are old enough to have sex and go to war for their country, they are old enough to vote.
    Of course, not only are sixteen year olds not old enough to go to war, but they're so impressionable that it's illegal for someone in a position of trust (e.g. a teacher) to have sex with them. However, I look forward to Labour campaigning to overthrow this discriminatory and demeaning legislation. /s
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 11,047
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    RoyalBlue said:
    One less headache for the EU - tho it might make the Spanish bolshy over Gib.......
    NO NO NO NO NO.

    One fewer headache for the EU.
    No, it's definitely one less not one fewer
    Hmm, and I agree with @OldKingCole it doesn't sound right but it is a discrete thing and you can't stick a pitchfork in it...

    I think 'fewer' implies more than one.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 21,886
    edited January 31
    DavidL said:

    Well thank goodness that plonker is never going to amount to anything. Weird clip though.

    He got within 950 votes of being able to potentially form a coalition government last year.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 12,763

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    RoyalBlue said:
    One less headache for the EU - tho it might make the Spanish bolshy over Gib.......
    NO NO NO NO NO.

    One fewer headache for the EU.
    No, it's definitely one less not one fewer
    Hmm, and I agree with @OldKingCole it doesn't sound right but it is a discrete thing and you can't stick a pitchfork in it...

    I think 'fewer' implies more than one.
    If you can count 'em, it should usually be fewer...
  • stodgestodge Posts: 3,821
    HYUFD said:

    We better not hope Corbyn is Thatcher otherwise we are in for socialism for the next three decades.

    More likely Attlee was the left-wing Thatcher and Corbyn would in government be a cross between Francois Hollande and Alexis Tsipras, the former lasted one term after abysmal polling, the latter won on hoscsecond attempt but is now also well behind in the polls

    I wonder if a better analogy would be Mitterrand's France after 1981 and especially the first Socialist Government under Pierre Mauroy.

  • DavidL said:

    Well thank goodness that plonker is never going to amount to anything. Weird clip though.

    Was the only clip I could find of Thatcher and Corbyn interacting.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 17,709
    edited January 31
    Isn’t that just fantastic. Go the Sistas, standing up for all women (except the pretty ones)

    They really seem to think that models and hostesses are like street workers who need to be protected, rather than empowered women who seek to use what they have to advance themselves.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 40,570
    edited January 31
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    We better not hope Corbyn is Thatcher otherwise we are in for socialism for the next three decades.

    More likely Attlee was the left-wing Thatcher and Corbyn would in government be a cross between Francois Hollande and Alexis Tsipras, the former lasted one term after abysmal polling, the latter won on hoscsecond attempt but is now also well behind in the polls

    I wonder if a better analogy would be Mitterrand's France after 1981 and especially the first Socialist Government under Pierre Mauroy.

    Mitterrand was far more pragmatic and intelligent than Corbyn and much more of a statesman. The Socialists also lost their legislative majority to Chirac's centre right coalition in 1986.

    Jacinda Ardern' s programme in New Zealand is also not a million miles from Corbyn's and we will see how she does, of course she became PM despite Labour failing to win most seats, something Corbyn may replicate
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 2,050
    edited January 31
    Interesting as ever, Ms. Cyclefree.
    Would add 2 other similarities.
    Firstly, a personal asceticism. People of simple and moderate pleasures. Both have an unworldly quality.
    Secondly, both were persuaded of the value of image. MT ditching the headscarves and taking voice coaching. JC with the sharp suits. Contrast with the clip above. Despite this they retained the "unspun" image.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 11,047
    Sandpit said:

    Isn’t that just fantastic. Go the Sistas, standing up for all women (except the pretty ones)
    How much do yoga teachers earn? The last class I went to there were about 10 of us paying £6 each. I think the hall is about £15, plus of course there's insurance. I think she ran at least two other classes, so that would be something like £120 per week, out of which there's petrol, car maintainence and so on, plus updating and incidentals. Brings her income down to say £100 per week, which even in our neck of the woods isn't a living wage,
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 35,872


    Meanwhile BoZo freelances at will...
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 10,347
    A good and eminently fair article - thanks Cyclefree.

    As a footnote, both I and (more importantly) a prominent left-winger in Islington Labour Party thought it would be a mistake for Corbyn to pick McDonnell as Shadow Chancellor - surely, we felt, he should pick someone mainstream. I've lost contact with my colleague in Islington, but I've changed my mind - I think that recent history shows that it's disastrous when leader and (shadow) Chancellor falls out, and having an intelligent and unquestionably loyal supporter beside you avoids no end of trouble.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 17,612
    Be interesting to see some polling on whether 16-17 year olds would rather have

    a) 16 and 17 year olds getting the vote; or

    b) 16 and 17 year olds pay no Income Tax

    I suspect that those who are in the sixth form would say "sod the thickoes who left school at 16, I want my vote!"

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 43,741
    AndyJS said:

    DavidL said:

    Well thank goodness that plonker is never going to amount to anything. Weird clip though.

    He got within 950 votes of being able to potentially form a coalition government last year.
    LD Plaid SNP Green Labour
    12 3 29 1 277

    Lab Gains 0.55% swing to Labour
    6 scotland -> Inverclyde
    Arfon
    8 Tories -> Norwich North

    Lab 40.6%, Tories 41.7%; Jeremy Corbyn PM in an SNP coalition with confidence and supply from Plaid, Lucas and the Lib Dems.

    Jeremy Corbyn PM.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 43,741

    Be interesting to see some polling on whether 16-17 year olds would rather have

    a) 16 and 17 year olds getting the vote; or

    b) 16 and 17 year olds pay no Income Tax

    I suspect that those who are in the sixth form would say "sod the thickoes who left school at 16, I want my vote!"

    Lol I'd happily sell my vote in order to forgo income tax :)
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 21,165
    Sandpit said:

    Isn’t that just fantastic. Go the Sistas, standing up for all women (except the pretty ones)

    They really seem to think that models and hostesses are like street workers who need to be protected, rather than empowered women who seek to use what they have to advance themselves.
    The revenge of the pig-ugly against the good -looking.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 6,654
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    RoyalBlue said:
    One less headache for the EU - tho it might make the Spanish bolshy over Gib.......
    NO NO NO NO NO.

    One fewer headache for the EU.
    No, it's definitely one less not one fewer
    Hmm, and I agree with @OldKingCole it doesn't sound right but it is a discrete thing and you can't stick a pitchfork in it...

    "one less" I think. Less can be used grammatically with countable and uncountable nouns; fewer only with countable nouns. The normal expression is "one less" however.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 11,047
    edited January 31
    Scott_P said:



    Meanwhile BoZo freelances at will...

    Yes, but he doesn't say anything sensible.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 11,047
    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Isn’t that just fantastic. Go the Sistas, standing up for all women (except the pretty ones)

    They really seem to think that models and hostesses are like street workers who need to be protected, rather than empowered women who seek to use what they have to advance themselves.
    The revenge of the pig-ugly against the good -looking.
    The sad thing is that a girl with A stars, education-wise, had to abandon hope of FE because she had to care for her sick mother.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 17,612
    calum said:
    Take a cheque for £40 billion, payable to the EU, into the next negotaitions - and tear it up in front of them. Then walk out.

    See who blinks.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 18,494
    Sandpit said:

    Okay, no deal it is then.

    Where is the “galvanising, liberating, empowering moment of patriotic renewal” that Michael Gove promised us? We're a long way down the rabbit hole now...
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 6,654

    calum said:
    Take a cheque for £40 billion, payable to the EU, into the next negotaitions - and tear it up in front of them. Then walk out.

    See who blinks.
    We do, of course. What do you think? Just breathe the words, Nissan, Airbus. That should do the trick, We'll take a trade-only deal over no deal. More likely Norway, though. Feel the love for the EU acquis...
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 11,047
    Looking at the two last posts from Messrs Glenn and Mark there's still a nasty split in the country!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 17,709

    Sandpit said:

    Isn’t that just fantastic. Go the Sistas, standing up for all women (except the pretty ones)
    How much do yoga teachers earn? The last class I went to there were about 10 of us paying £6 each. I think the hall is about £15, plus of course there's insurance. I think she ran at least two other classes, so that would be something like £120 per week, out of which there's petrol, car maintainence and so on, plus updating and incidentals. Brings her income down to say £100 per week, which even in our neck of the woods isn't a living wage,
    So she’s getting paid £45 an hour, minus the expenses we all have to pay like running a car.

    But it’s nothing to do with the yoga teacher, it’s that she seems to have a serious problem with other women earning their own money.

    I’m gonna take a random guess that the person in charge of the grid girls at Silverstone doesn’t find it too difficult to recruit a few dozen models and actresses wanting to get their faces on TV.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 6,654
    Scott_P said:



    Meanwhile BoZo freelances at will...

    Yeah, but unlike Mr Lee, Bojo is led by dogma and not evidence, so that's fine.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 27,784
    edited January 31
    Sandpit said:

    Isn’t that just fantastic. Go the Sistas, standing up for all women (except the pretty ones)

    They really seem to think that models and hostesses are like street workers who need to be protected, rather than empowered women who seek to use what they have to advance themselves.
    A few years ago I lived next door to a “grid girl”. She had a degree from a perfectly good uni and decided to do it because she was young free and single and was a fantastic opportunity to travel the world. On the back of that job she increasingly got other work in the media and after a few years she went on to be a main presenter for a number of tv outlets.

    But clearly in the view of the yoga teacher she should have got better educated or something, and was being massively exploited.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 18,494
    FF43 said:

    calum said:
    Take a cheque for £40 billion, payable to the EU, into the next negotaitions - and tear it up in front of them. Then walk out.

    See who blinks.
    We do, of course. What do you think? Just breathe the words, Nissan, Airbus. That should do the trick, We'll take a trade-only deal over no deal. More likely Norway, though. Feel the love for the EU acquis...
    Based on Gove's rationale for Brexit, we all have to admit that the UK has been comprehensively trounced. Brexit was intended to bring down the old order in Europe and force a fundamental renegotiation of the treaties. Instead we are merely debating the precise nature and timing of our capitulation.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/19/brexit-could-spark-democratic-liberation-of-continent-says-gove

    A British exit from the European Union could spark “the democratic liberation of a whole continent”, as other member countries follow Britain’s example and throw off the shackles of Brussels, the justice secretary, Michael Gove, has argued.
  • TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 726
    FPT



    Over 80 per cent of British Jews believe Labour is too tolerant of anti-Semitism within its ranks, poll finds

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-anti-semitism-jeremy-corbyn-inquiry-shami-chakrabarti-yougov-poll-a7902251.html

    Labour support just 13 per cent among UK Jews

    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/labour-support-just-13-per-cent-among-uk-jews-1.439325

    Labour support among Jewish people was pretty low even before Corbyn got on the leadership ballot.

    Here is an interesting article from before the 2015 leadership contest talking specifically about the Jewish vote and Labour.

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/06/labours-relationship-britains-jews-low-ebb-can-it-be-rebuilt

    Picked out a few bits.

    ____________________________________
    Meanwhile, as a Labour adherent, the pain of election night was all too obvious. What was particularly difficult was watching the Tory vote in three “Jewish” seats push near or go past half –Hendon 49 per cent (previous Tory majority: 106), Finchley and Golders Green: 51 per cent, Harrow East: 50 per cent.

    Anecdotal evidence – and after the poll fiasco, it’s as good as any – from campaigners tell me that the effect of the Ed Miliband leadership on our Jewish vote has been disastrous. As Luke Akehurst pointed out on LabourList, harsh criticism of Israel over the Gaza war and pushing for Palestinian statehood in the Commons has come to hurt Labour. Those vying for the Labour candidacy for mayor have certainly noticed.

    .....

    Even if this was acceptable, BDS doesn’t change Israel’s mind. The Israeli Right say ‘ look, same old world, always against us. No point listening to them anyway’. What it does do very effectively is harden the hearts of the Jewish community against the Left in this country.
    ---------------------------------

    Some of the opposition to the left in the Jewish community is based on some perfectly acceptable views regarding the Israel Palestine situation. There is, or could be said depending on your definiton, a Antisemitism problem although given a lot of the incidents either pre date Corbyn or are outside Corbyn's control then it is generally a Labour problem.

    The media have certainly emphasised it more under Corbyn, not an unfair statement considering most would agree they have made more effort to be more negative regarding Corbyn in almost every way, this is unsurprisingly not the exception.

    Ironically this all may end up making Labour a lot freer of Antisemitism than it would have otherwise. Lansman, Jewish leader of Momentum who Labour voters voted for in huge numbers (compared to his rivals) talked about how he wanted to improve Labours ability to combat Antisemitism and I think even mentioned Livingstone

    Possibly this is why Ann Black was replaced for disputes, of course the media took this as an opportunity to whip up a story about Antisemitism
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 6,654
    FF43 said:

    calum said:
    Take a cheque for £40 billion, payable to the EU, into the next negotaitions - and tear it up in front of them. Then walk out.

    See who blinks.
    We do, of course. What do you think? Just breathe the words, Nissan, Airbus. That should do the trick, We'll take a trade-only deal over no deal. More likely Norway, though. Feel the love for the EU acquis...
    Edit. Although I think the writing is on the wall for London as the dominant European financial centre under all Brexit scenarios, for the reasons given in the article.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 11,047
    Nasty medical 'avoidable deaths' case just reported from BBC N. Ireland. Been going on for years, apparently. 'Mr Justice O'Hara added that the "reticence of some clinicians and healthcare professionals to concede error or identify underperformance or colleagues was frustrating and depressing".

    Could have repercussions.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 28,345
    calum said:
    I see the Bank of England's generous offer to the EU has paid dividends then......
  • calum said:
    But David Davis said doing a Brexit deal would be the easiest thing in the world.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 9,688
    edited January 31

    calum said:
    Take a cheque for £40 billion, payable to the EU, into the next negotaitions - and tear it up in front of them. Then walk out.

    See who blinks.
    Hard Brexit it is, then.

    EU really did try and overplay an already strong hand. Definitely the right decision to leave.
  • On a similar subject to 'Grid Girls' the Podium Girls on races like Le Tour also do things like meet and greet the VIP's at the stage start and then chauffer them to the finishing town.
    It isn't just about looking pretty on the podium and posing for the stage winner's kiss.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 35,872

    Based on Gove's rationale for Brexit, we all have to admit that the UK has been comprehensively trounced. Brexit was intended to bring down the old order in Europe and force a fundamental renegotiation of the treaties. Instead we are merely debating the precise nature and timing of our capitulation.

    If only Gove had listened to the "experts" in the civil service he would have known that the UK being a member of the EU was the primary agent for destabilising it...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 17,709
    edited January 31

    Sandpit said:

    Isn’t that just fantastic. Go the Sistas, standing up for all women (except the pretty ones)

    They really seem to think that models and hostesses are like street workers who need to be protected, rather than empowered women who seek to use what they have to advance themselves.
    A few years ago I lived next door to a “grid girl”. She had a degree from a perfectly good uni and decided to do it because she was young free and single and was a fantastic opportunity to travel the world. On the back of that job she increasingly got other work in the media and after a few years she went on to be a main presenter for a number of tv outlets.

    But clearly in the view of the yoga teacher she should have got better educated or something, and was being massively exploited.
    Good story. I wonder when the feminists are going to boycott Vogue magazine for their objectification of women with unattainable 20” waists, but it seems they only care about events where men attend like sporting events, car shows and corporate dinners.

    I know someone here in the Middle East that runs an agency for these girls, those fired in Britain will probably end up out here as there’s no chance the local car shows will go without the European models.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 21,165
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Isn’t that just fantastic. Go the Sistas, standing up for all women (except the pretty ones)
    How much do yoga teachers earn? The last class I went to there were about 10 of us paying £6 each. I think the hall is about £15, plus of course there's insurance. I think she ran at least two other classes, so that would be something like £120 per week, out of which there's petrol, car maintainence and so on, plus updating and incidentals. Brings her income down to say £100 per week, which even in our neck of the woods isn't a living wage,
    So she’s getting paid £45 an hour, minus the expenses we all have to pay like running a car.

    But it’s nothing to do with the yoga teacher, it’s that she seems to have a serious problem with other women earning their own money.

    I’m gonna take a random guess that the person in charge of the grid girls at Silverstone doesn’t find it too difficult to recruit a few dozen models and actresses wanting to get their faces on TV.
    It's none of my business how other people choose to make a living, nor is it the yoga teacher's.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 17,709

    Sandpit said:

    Okay, no deal it is then.

    Where is the “galvanising, liberating, empowering moment of patriotic renewal” that Michael Gove promised us? We're a long way down the rabbit hole now...
    I’d they think we should pay £40bn for an annual £120bn trade deficit and nothing on financial services, then the £40bn is their loss.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 8,026

    calum said:
    I see the Bank of England's generous offer to the EU has paid dividends then......
    Theresa May's travel schedule has landed her on the other side of the world as this breaks. She is not what Napoleon would class a lucky general.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 6,985
    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Isn’t that just fantastic. Go the Sistas, standing up for all women (except the pretty ones)

    They really seem to think that models and hostesses are like street workers who need to be protected, rather than empowered women who seek to use what they have to advance themselves.
    The revenge of the pig-ugly against the good -looking.
    I don’t feel particularly strongly about grid girls at F1 Races or the walk on girls at darts etc. but has debate fallen to such the degree that the argument against those who don’t like grid girls includes ‘you’re ugly/jealous’?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 11,047
    I'm some 9k km from most of you tonight, and it's been a long hot day. With a lunar eclipse thrown in for good measure. So goodnight.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 17,709
    edited January 31

    On a similar subject to 'Grid Girls' the Podium Girls on races like Le Tour also do things like meet and greet the VIP's at the stage start and then chauffer them to the finishing town.
    It isn't just about looking pretty on the podium and posing for the stage winner's kiss.

    A lot of these girls are students and hired as much for their personality as their looks. They’re doing it because it pays better than bar work or waitressing at the Grand Prix and other events.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 19,880
    Pulpstar said:

    Be interesting to see some polling on whether 16-17 year olds would rather have

    a) 16 and 17 year olds getting the vote; or

    b) 16 and 17 year olds pay no Income Tax

    I suspect that those who are in the sixth form would say "sod the thickoes who left school at 16, I want my vote!"

    Lol I'd happily sell my vote in order to forgo income tax :)
    Especially today.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 3,821
    Mortimer said:

    calum said:
    Take a cheque for £40 billion, payable to the EU, into the next negotaitions - and tear it up in front of them. Then walk out.

    See who blinks.
    Hard Brexit it is, then.

    EU really did try and overplay an already strong hand. Definitely the right decision to leave.
    So what are you two die-hard Conservative partisans going to do when May offers BINO ?

    Run off to UKIP - start your own Party perhaps (you couldn't do a worse job than UKIP).

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 27,784
    Apparently ozil’s new arsenal deal is £350k a week. I bet he hopes there isn’t a GE until 2022...
  • Sandpit said:

    On a similar subject to 'Grid Girls' the Podium Girls on races like Le Tour also do things like meet and greet the VIP's at the stage start and then chauffer them to the finishing town.
    It isn't just about looking pretty on the podium and posing for the stage winner's kiss.

    A lot of these girls are students and hired as much for their personality as their looks. They’re doing it because it pays better than bar work or waitressing at the Grand Prix and other events.
    A friend of mine used to work on the catering at Arsenal in the early 90's, she soon got picked out to work in the bit where the directors and players wives got their hospitality.
    I heard a few funny stories at the time.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 1,991
    Mortimer said:

    calum said:
    Take a cheque for £40 billion, payable to the EU, into the next negotaitions - and tear it up in front of them. Then walk out.

    See who blinks.
    Hard Brexit it is, then.

    EU really did try and overplay an already strong hand. Definitely the right decision to leave.
    And so says a right-wing swivel eyed loon.

    It was almost certainly not the right decision to leave as evidenced by the Government's own economic analysis. Was speaking to an Indian diplomat fiend of mine over the weekend and he reckons any FTP with India will hugely benefit India and not the other way round. He also smirked at what he saw as the UK losing leverage and influence throughout the World.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 43,741

    Apparently ozil’s new arsenal deal is £350k a week. I bet he hopes there isn’t a GE until 2022...

    Looks like Sanchez has tripped off a new round of 150% wage inflation.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 9,688
    edited January 31
    stodge said:

    Mortimer said:

    calum said:
    Take a cheque for £40 billion, payable to the EU, into the next negotaitions - and tear it up in front of them. Then walk out.

    See who blinks.
    Hard Brexit it is, then.

    EU really did try and overplay an already strong hand. Definitely the right decision to leave.
    So what are you two die-hard Conservative partisans going to do when May offers BINO ?

    Run off to UKIP - start your own Party perhaps (you couldn't do a worse job than UKIP).

    I suspect Mr Brady's post man might have something to say about that...

    Edit to add: Just had time to read the article, which suggests a click-baity headline and that equivalence is going to be offered by the EU. Sounds like a fantastic fudge that the City would be happy with - I suspect someone in the know will be along shortly...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 42,517
    edited January 31
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Thatcher opposed the enemies of this nation. Corbyn befriended them.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 27,784
    edited January 31
    Pulpstar said:

    Apparently ozil’s new arsenal deal is £350k a week. I bet he hopes there isn’t a GE until 2022...

    Looks like Sanchez has tripped off a new round of 150% wage inflation.
    They better hope sky and bt haven’t organised a truce for the new tv rights as has been suggested in the media.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 42,517
    Meanwhile, in bed-wetting bullshit, grid girls to be axed in F1:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/42890261
  • Pulpstar said:

    Apparently ozil’s new arsenal deal is £350k a week. I bet he hopes there isn’t a GE until 2022...

    Looks like Sanchez has tripped off a new round of 150% wage inflation.
    They better hope sky and bt haven’t organised a truce for the new tv rights as has been suggested in the media.
    I suspect Amazon have blown them out of the water.

    Explains why the Premier League renewed the MOTD rights for virtually the same price.
  • Meanwhile, in bed-wetting bullshit, grid girls to be axed in F1:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/42890261

    What do they really bring to the race?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 9,688
    murali_s said:

    Mortimer said:

    calum said:
    Take a cheque for £40 billion, payable to the EU, into the next negotaitions - and tear it up in front of them. Then walk out.

    See who blinks.
    Hard Brexit it is, then.

    EU really did try and overplay an already strong hand. Definitely the right decision to leave.
    And so says a right-wing swivel eyed loon.

    It was almost certainly not the right decision to leave as evidenced by the Government's own economic analysis. Was speaking to an Indian diplomat fiend of mine over the weekend and he reckons any FTP with India will hugely benefit India and not the other way round. He also smirked at what he saw as the UK losing leverage and influence throughout the World.
    Chucking names around again, I see. Charming.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 27,784
    edited January 31

    Pulpstar said:

    Apparently ozil’s new arsenal deal is £350k a week. I bet he hopes there isn’t a GE until 2022...

    Looks like Sanchez has tripped off a new round of 150% wage inflation.
    They better hope sky and bt haven’t organised a truce for the new tv rights as has been suggested in the media.
    I suspect Amazon have blown them out of the water.

    Explains why the Premier League renewed the MOTD rights for virtually the same price.
    The last report I read was that amazon aren’t ready this time around. They have hired a top sports rights guy but he doesn’t start until after the bidding for the rights this time around have been submitted.

    The Report said they will take their time and go for it next time.

    Interestingly amazon own twitch, which already has a sub model per channel (albeit voluntary one) and have recently bought rights for big esports league. Their tech can handle super high res streaming to massive audiences.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 756
    FF43 said:

    calum said:
    Take a cheque for £40 billion, payable to the EU, into the next negotaitions - and tear it up in front of them. Then walk out.

    See who blinks.
    We do, of course. What do you think? Just breathe the words, Nissan, Airbus. That should do the trick, We'll take a trade-only deal over no deal. More likely Norway, though. Feel the love for the EU acquis...
    Yup. If this is correct, then 31st January 2018 will be known as the day that Brexit died. Or the UK signed its own death warrant.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Apparently ozil’s new arsenal deal is £350k a week. I bet he hopes there isn’t a GE until 2022...

    Looks like Sanchez has tripped off a new round of 150% wage inflation.
    They better hope sky and bt haven’t organised a truce for the new tv rights as has been suggested in the media.
    I suspect Amazon have blown them out of the water.

    Explains why the Premier League renewed the MOTD rights for virtually the same price.
    The last report I read was that amazon aren’t ready this time around. They have hired a top sports rights guy but he doesn’t start until after the bidding for the rights this time around have been submitted.
    We should get an announcement in the next 10 days.
  • TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 726
    One of the big things Corbyn is really missing that Thatcher had is the SDP, I can't see the Conservatives splitting though. Maybe the harder Brexit part of the party if I had to pick a wing and due to Brexit not going the way they like but I think it would just be a civil war within the party rather than a split.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 21,165

    Meanwhile, in bed-wetting bullshit, grid girls to be axed in F1:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/42890261

    What do they really bring to the race?
    They're much more interesting than the race itself.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 42,517
    Mr. Eagles, paid employment for the women who choose to do it.

    I don't bother with pre- and post-race stuff, so don't see them at all. However, they do work at the VIP and PR side of things. It's idiotic to just decide that equality for women means making women unemployed because their job isn't on the Puritans' Approved Work list.

    People are losing their jobs because of politically correct bullshit.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 27,784
    edited January 31

    Pulpstar said:

    Apparently ozil’s new arsenal deal is £350k a week. I bet he hopes there isn’t a GE until 2022...

    Looks like Sanchez has tripped off a new round of 150% wage inflation.
    They better hope sky and bt haven’t organised a truce for the new tv rights as has been suggested in the media.
    I suspect Amazon have blown them out of the water.

    Explains why the Premier League renewed the MOTD rights for virtually the same price.
    The last report I read was that amazon aren’t ready this time around. They have hired a top sports rights guy but he doesn’t start until after the bidding for the rights this time around have been submitted.
    We should get an announcement in the next 10 days.
    Ultimately amazon and Facebook are coming. Rupert murdoch saw this. Amazon in particular have both the money to buy the rights and amazing tech to scale high res live streaming to massive audiences.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 3,821
    Mortimer said:

    I suspect Mr Brady's post man might have something to say about that...

    Edit to add: Just had time to read the article, which suggests a click-baity headline and that equivalence is going to be offered by the EU. Sounds like a fantastic fudge that the City would be happy with - I suspect someone in the know will be along shortly...

    To be fair, the headline and the substantive are often well distanced from each other.

    Services has always been a problem - it's why I think a CETA-style deal isn't going to happen. The importance and influence of the City is, in some respects, a hindrance to deals rather than a help.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 42,517
    Mr. Urquhart, I'm interested to see if Amazon set up a rival to Youtube. Apparently they're having a tiff with Google (who now own Youtube).
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 9,688
    Scott_P said:
    Because he arrived late, by the sounds of it.

    Bizarre.
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