It will means that millions of people will feel disenfranchised, many will turn to extreme groups, some will turn to violence. Democracy will be discredited. The ballot box will be replaced with the politics of the street.
People feel like that already.
But Leave won the referendum democratically fair and square. Remoaners do not have democracy on their side. They cannot claim that they were cheated. They lost fair and square. If Leavers on the other habd had Brexit taken away from them despite winning a democratic vote, they would have the right to feel very angry indeed. The losers in an election simply do not have the right to cancel a democratic vote. That is fascism.
Nope. Half the population are angry now. Some are already on the street.
Brexit: Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
You have completely ignored my point. Remainers lost the referendum fairly and squarely. They werent cheated. They are less than half the population. And they have no right to stop Brexit which was decided democratically. And they wont be allowed to either.
Many remainers do feel cheated. Not everyone agrees with you that the referendum was fair and square. Leavers need to deal with that even if they disagree.
Yeah, that free bit of advertising the Remain side got delivered to every house in the country before the referendum started was particularly unfair.
It was an intensely nasty and deliberately misleading campaign.
The losers always say that .
It was toxic from start to end. I've never seen anything like it. We're all losers because of it.
The Scottish referendum was far far nastier. By an order of magnitude.
How many MPs were murdered during the Indyref campaign?
Brexit is tarnished by that campaign. Too much fear, lies and hate on both sides.
Dammed if we do, dammed if we don't. Will take 20 years and classic British fudges to get over it.
Two leading Conservative MPs have launched a bid to make Theresa May keep the UK in a customs union with the European Union, as the prime minister faces cabinet and party splits over the issue.
Anna Soubry, a former business minister, and Ken Clarke, the former chancellor, said they would try to get cross-party support for keeping the UK’s current customs arrangements with the EU, in a clear challenge to May’s authority.
They have a strong chance of causing an embarrassing government defeat if Jeremy Corbyn’s frontbench supports their amendments to two trade bills when they are debated in the House of Commons before the end of February.
It is understood Labour is not ruling out backing the Tory rebels, who already have the support of a number of pro-EU Labour backbenchers. Soubry said it was part of “building a Brexit consensus inside and outside parliament”.
It will means that millions of people will feel disenfranchised, many will turn to extreme groups, some will turn to violence. Democracy will be discredited. The ballot box will be replaced with the politics of the street.
People feel like that already.
But Leave won the referendum democratically fair and square. Remoaners do not have democracy on their side. They cannot claim that they were cheated. They lost fair and square. If Leavers on the other habd had Brexit taken away from them despite winning a democratic vote, they would have the right to feel very angry indeed. The losers in an election simply do not have the right to cancel a democratic vote. That is fascism.
Nope. Half the population are angry now. Some are already on the street.
Brexit: Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
You have completely ignored my point. Remainers lost the referendum fairly and squarely. They werent cheated. They are less than half the population. And they have no right to stop Brexit which was decided democratically. And they wont be allowed to either.
Many remainers do feel cheated. Not everyone agrees with you that the referendum was fair and square. Leavers need to deal with that even if they disagree.
Yeah, that free bit of advertising the Remain side got delivered to every house in the country before the referendum started was particularly unfair.
It was an intensely nasty and deliberately misleading campaign.
The losers always say that .
It was toxic from start to end. I've never seen anything like it. We're all losers because of it.
How was it not fair and square? Has the Electoral Commission declared the result invalid? On what grounds have Remainers been cheated? You lost. Democracy cannot function if losers can overturn elections because they do not like the results. And they will not be allowed to.
I voted remain, but spent most of the campaign on the fence pretty much disgusted at the whole affair. I still am.
Remainers do feel like that. Mainly down to the campaign lies and bullshit. You disagree, but someone will have to deal with it if this country is to move on.
Two leading Conservative MPs have launched a bid to make Theresa May keep the UK in a customs union with the European Union, as the prime minister faces cabinet and party splits over the issue.
Anna Soubry, a former business minister, and Ken Clarke, the former chancellor, said they would try to get cross-party support for keeping the UK’s current customs arrangements with the EU, in a clear challenge to May’s authority.
They have a strong chance of causing an embarrassing government defeat if Jeremy Corbyn’s frontbench supports their amendments to two trade bills when they are debated in the House of Commons before the end of February.
It is understood Labour is not ruling out backing the Tory rebels, who already have the support of a number of pro-EU Labour backbenchers. Soubry said it was part of “building a Brexit consensus inside and outside parliament”.
It will means that millions of people will feel disenfranchised, many will turn to extreme groups, some will turn to violence. Democracy will be discredited. The ballot box will be replaced with the politics of the street.
People feel like that already.
But Leave won the referendum democratically fair and square. Remoaners do not have democracy on their side. They cannot claim that they were cheated. They lost fair and square. If Leavers on the other habd had Brexit taken away from them despite winning a democratic vote, they would have the right to feel very angry indeed. The losers in an election simply do not have the right to cancel a democratic vote. That is fascism.
Nope. Half the population are angry now. Some are already on the street.
Brexit: Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
You have completely ignored my point. Remainers lost the referendum fairly and squarely. They werent cheated. They are less than half the population. And they have no right to stop Brexit which was decided democratically. And they wont be allowed to either.
Many remainers do feel cheated. Not everyone agrees with you that the referendum was fair and square. Leavers need to deal with that even if they disagree.
Yeah, that free bit of advertising the Remain side got delivered to every house in the country before the referendum started was particularly unfair.
It was an intensely nasty and deliberately misleading campaign.
The losers always say that .
No, the people who favour the status quo ante always say that, regardless of who wins. Same with Scotland - it's Unionists who complain about what a terrible time it was, despite their having won.
It will means that millions of people will feel disenfranchised, many will turn to extreme groups, some will turn to violence. Democracy will be discredited. The ballot box will be replaced with the politics of the street.
People feel like that already.
But Leave won the referendum democratically fair and square. Remoaners do not have democracy on their side. They cannot claim that they were cheated. They lost fair and square. If Leavers on the other habd had Brexit taken away from them despite winning a democratic vote, they would have the right to feel very angry indeed. The losers in an election simply do not have the right to cancel a democratic vote. That is fascism.
Nope. Half the population are angry now. Some are already on the street.
Brexit: Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
You have completely ignored my point. Remainers lost the referendum fairly and squarely. They werent cheated. They are less than half the population. And they have no right to stop Brexit which was decided democratically. And they wont be allowed to either.
Many remainers do feel cheated. Not everyone agrees with you that the referendum was fair and square. Leavers need to deal with that even if they disagree.
Yeah, that free bit of advertising the Remain side got delivered to every house in the country before the referendum started was particularly unfair.
It was an intensely nasty and deliberately misleading campaign.
Project fear wasn't that bad....
The toxic mess we're in now owes much to the divisive nature of both of those campaigns
Both campaigns were poor, and I said so on here at the time. I personally only ordered and delivered the leaflets I was comfortable with both delivering and defending.
Nevertheless, every voter I spoke to, with one exception, was taking their decision very seriously, often in two minds, and most were surprisingly well informed and had done research.
"Many remainers do feel cheated. Not everyone agrees with you that the referendum was fair and square. Leavers need to deal with that even if they disagree."
Remainers need to deal with it, they are being the children. Someone has taken away their nice pretty toy so they're having a tantrum. Those nasty grown-ups keep doing this, leaving the kids threatening to sqweam and sqweam until they're sick. Then you adults will be sorry, won't you?.
It will means that millions of people will feel disenfranchised, many will turn to extreme groups, some will turn to violence. Democracy will be discredited. The ballot box will be replaced with the politics of the street.
People feel like that already.
But Leave won the referendum democratically fair and square. Remoaners do not have democracy on their side. They cannot claim that they were cheated. They lost fair and square. If Leavers on the other habd had Brexit taken away from them despite winning a democratic vote, they would have the right to feel very angry indeed. The losers in an election simply do not have the right to cancel a democratic vote. That is fascism.
Nope. Half the population are angry now. Some are already on the street.
Brexit: Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
You have completely ignored my point. Remainers lost the referendum fairly and squarely. They werent cheated. They are less than half the population. And they have no right to stop Brexit which was decided democratically. And they wont be allowed to either.
Many remainers do feel cheated. Not everyone agrees with you that the referendum was fair and square. Leavers need to deal with that even if they disagree.
Yeah, that free bit of advertising the Remain side got delivered to every house in the country before the referendum started was particularly unfair.
It was an intensely nasty and deliberately misleading campaign.
Project fear wasn't that bad....
The toxic mess we're in now owes much to the divisive nature of both of those campaigns
Both campaigns were poor, and I said so on here at the time. I personally only ordered and delivered the leaflets I was comfortable with both delivering and defending.
Nevertheless, every voter I spoke to, with one exception, was taking their decision very seriously, often in two minds, and most were surprisingly well informed and had done research.
The voters made me proud. Not the campaigns.
The leave leaflet that implied we would have open borders with Iraq and Syria was a particularly black bit of propaganda.
Two leading Conservative MPs have launched a bid to make Theresa May keep the UK in a customs union with the European Union, as the prime minister faces cabinet and party splits over the issue.
Anna Soubry, a former business minister, and Ken Clarke, the former chancellor, said they would try to get cross-party support for keeping the UK’s current customs arrangements with the EU, in a clear challenge to May’s authority.
They have a strong chance of causing an embarrassing government defeat if Jeremy Corbyn’s frontbench supports their amendments to two trade bills when they are debated in the House of Commons before the end of February.
It is understood Labour is not ruling out backing the Tory rebels, who already have the support of a number of pro-EU Labour backbenchers. Soubry said it was part of “building a Brexit consensus inside and outside parliament”.
It will means that millions of people will feel disenfranchised, many will turn to extreme groups, some will turn to violence. Democracy will be discredited. The ballot box will be replaced with the politics of the street.
People feel like that already.
But Leave won the referendum democratically fair and square. Remoaners do not have democracy on their side. They cannot claim that they were cheated. They lost fair and square. If Leavers on the other habd had Brexit taken away from them despite winning a democratic vote, they would have the right to feel very angry indeed. The losers in an election simply do not have the right to cancel a democratic vote. That is fascism.
Nope. Half the population are angry now. Some are already on the street.
Brexit: Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
You have completely ignored my point. Remainers lost the referendum fairly and squarely. They werent cheated. They are less than half the population. And they have no right to stop Brexit which was decided democratically. And they wont be allowed to either.
Many remainers do feel cheated. Not everyone agrees with you that the referendum was fair and square. Leavers need to deal with that even if they disagree.
Yeah, that free bit of advertising the Remain side got delivered to every house in the country before the referendum started was particularly unfair.
It was an intensely nasty and deliberately misleading campaign.
The losers always say that .
It was toxic from start to end. I've never seen anything like it. We're all losers because of it.
The Scottish referendum was far far nastier. By an order of magnitude.
How many MPs were murdered during the Indyref campaign?
Exactly as many as were murdered during the Euref campaign in circumstances with a more than tangential relevance to the campaign.
"Many remainers do feel cheated. Not everyone agrees with you that the referendum was fair and square. Leavers need to deal with that even if they disagree."
Remainers need to deal with it, they are being the children. Someone has taken away their nice pretty toy so they're having a tantrum. Those nasty grown-ups keep doing this, leaving the kids threatening to sqweam and sqweam until they're sick. Then you adults will be sorry, won't you?.
It will means that millions of people will feel disenfranchised, many will turn to extreme groups, some will turn to violence. Democracy will be discredited. The ballot box will be replaced with the politics of the street.
People feel like that already.
But Leave won the referendum democratically fair and square. Remoaners do not have democracy on their side. They cannot claim that they were cheated. They lost fair and square. If Leavers on the other habd had Brexit taken away from them despite winning a democratic vote, they would have the right to feel very angry indeed. The losers in an election simply do not have the right to cancel a democratic vote. That is fascism.
Nope. Half the population are angry now. Some are already on the street.
Brexit: Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
You have completely ignored my point. Remainers lost the referendum fairly and squarely. They werent cheated. They are less than half the population. And they have no right to stop Brexit which was decided democratically. And they wont be allowed to either.
Many remainers do feel cheated. Not everyone agrees with you that the referendum was fair and square. Leavers need to deal with that even if they disagree.
Yeah, that free bit of advertising the Remain side got delivered to every house in the country before the referendum started was particularly unfair.
It was an intensely nasty and deliberately misleading campaign.
The losers always say that .
It was toxic from start to end. I've never seen anything like it. We're all losers because of it.
The Scottish referendum was far far nastier. By an order of magnitude.
How many MPs were murdered during the Indyref campaign?
Brexit is tarnished by that campaign. Too much fear, lies and hate on both sides.
Dammed if we do, dammed if we don't. Will take 20 years and classic British fudges to get over it.
That presumes we will at least get over it, and given some of our enduring fudges I don't think that can be guaranteed, but we can hope so.
It will means that millions of people will feel disenfranchised, many will turn to extreme groups, some will turn to violence. Democracy will be discredited. The ballot box will be replaced with the politics of the street.
People feel like that already.
But Leave won the referendum democratically fair and square. Remoaners do not have democracy on their side. They cannot claim that they were cheated. They lost fair and square. If Leavers on the other habd had Brexit taken away from them despite winning a democratic vote, they would have the right to feel very angry indeed. The losers in an election simply do not have the right to cancel a democratic vote. That is fascism.
Nope. Half the population are angry now. Some are already on the street. Brexit: Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
You have completely ignored my point. Remainers lost the referendum fairly and squarely. They werent cheated. They are less than half the population. And they have no right to stop Brexit which was decided democratically. And they wont be allowed to either.
Many remainers do feel cheated. Not everyone agrees with you that the referendum was fair and square. Leavers need to deal with that even if they disagree.
Yeah, that free bit of advertising the Remain side got delivered to every house in the country before the referendum started was particularly unfair.
That was not really "the Remain side". It was the Government - the Conservative Government headed by Cameron and Osborne - who were responsible for that. Everybody else was excluded. But we need to bear in mind that unfair misuse of the system is the Conservative hallmark these days.
Headed by two prominent campaigners for the Remain side, you mean
Leading Conservative politicians headed both sides. This was just one phase of a Conservative civil war. It was nasty and pointless. Everybody lost.
It will means that millions of people will feel disenfranchised, many will turn to extreme groups, some will turn to violence. Democracy will be discredited. The ballot box will be replaced with the politics of the street.
People feel like that already.
But Leave won the referendum democratically fair and square. Remoaners do not have democracy on their side. They cannot claim that they were cheated. They lost fair and square. If Leavers on the other habd had Brexit taken away from them despite winning a democratic vote, they would have the right to feel very angry indeed. The losers in an election simply do not have the right to cancel a democratic vote. That is fascism.
Nope. Half the population are angry now. Some are already on the street.
Brexit: Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
You have completely ignored my point. Remainers lost the referendum fairly and squarely. They werent cheated. They are less than half the population. And they have no right to stop Brexit which was decided democratically. And they wont be allowed to either.
Many remainers do feel cheated. Not everyone agrees with you that the referendum was fair and square. Leavers need to deal with that even if they disagree.
Yeah, that free bit of advertising the Remain side got delivered to every house in the country before the referendum started was particularly unfair.
It was an intensely nasty and deliberately misleading campaign.
Project fear wasn't that bad....
The toxic mess we're in now owes much to the divisive nature of both of those campaigns
Both campaigns were poor, and I said so on here at the time. I personally only ordered and delivered the leaflets I was comfortable with both delivering and defending.
Nevertheless, every voter I spoke to, with one exception, was taking their decision very seriously, often in two minds, and most were surprisingly well informed and had done research.
The voters made me proud. Not the campaigns.
The leave leaflet that implied we would have open borders with Iraq and Syria was a particularly black bit of propaganda.
So was some of the nonsense put out by Remain and losing £4,000, ridiculous hyperbole over Leave, and sidestepping concerns over the EU Army and future integration.
I didn't deliver any of the Iraq and Syria leaflets.
It will means that millions of people will feel disenfranchised, many will turn to extreme groups, some will turn to violence. Democracy will be discredited. The ballot box will be replaced with the politics of the street.
People feel like that already.
But Leave won the referendum democratically fair and square. Remoaners do not have democracy on their side. They cannot claim that they were cheated. They lost fair and square. If Leavers on the other habd had Brexit taken away from them despite winning a democratic vote, they would have the right to feel very angry indeed. The losers in an election simply do not have the right to cancel a democratic vote. That is fascism.
Nope. Half the population are angry now. Some are already on the street.
Brexit: Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
You have completely ignored my point. Remainers lost the referendum fairly and squarely. They werent cheated. They are less than half the population. And they have no right to stop Brexit which was decided democratically. And they wont be allowed to either.
Many remainers do feel cheated. Not everyone agrees with you that the referendum was fair and square. Leavers need to deal with that even if they disagree.
Yeah, that free bit of advertising the Remain side got delivered to every house in the country before the referendum started was particularly unfair.
It was an intensely nasty and deliberately misleading campaign.
The losers always say that .
No, the people who favour the status quo ante always say that, regardless of who wins. Same with Scotland - it's Unionists who complain about what a terrible time it was, despite their having won.
Just google "violence scottish referendum" to see how wrong you are. It looks a terrible time to me, and I have always been exactly equidistant from either side, on the grounds that it's none of my business.
"Many remainers do feel cheated. Not everyone agrees with you that the referendum was fair and square. Leavers need to deal with that even if they disagree."
Remainers need to deal with it, they are being the children. Someone has taken away their nice pretty toy so they're having a tantrum. Those nasty grown-ups keep doing this, leaving the kids threatening to sqweam and sqweam until they're sick. Then you adults will be sorry, won't you?.
No. To come together we ALL need to deal with it.
Don't worry, the rejoin campaign will bring the country together as one
Good to see young people getting interested in politics, and in a robust style...
Meant tongue in cheek!
Good on JRM trying to break it up there.
It looks to me like one of the anarchist rent-a-mob (you can tell, hoody and dark glasses so they can cause trouble without being identified) and one of Mogg's fans losing his shit with him.
It will means that millions of people will feel disenfranchised, many will turn to extreme groups, some will turn to violence. Democracy will be discredited. The ballot box will be replaced with the politics of the street.
People feel like that already.
But Leave won the referendum democratically fair and square. Remoaners do not have democracy on their side. d. The losers in an election simply do not have the right to cancel a democratic vote. That is fascism.
Nope. Half the population are angry now. Some are already on the street.
Brexit: Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
You he population. And they have no right to stop Brexit which was decided democratically. And they wont be allowed to either.
Many remainers do feel cheated. Not everyone agrees with you that the referendum was fair and square. Leavers need to deal with that even if they disagree.
Yeah, that free bit of advertising the Remain side got delivered to every house in the country before the referendum started was particularly unfair.
It was an intensely nasty and deliberately misleading campaign.
Project fear wasn't that bad....
The toxic mess we're in now owes much to the divisive nature of both of those campaigns
Both campaigns were poor, and I said so on here at the time. I personally only ordered and delivered the leaflets I was comfortable with both delivering and defending.
Nevertheless, every voter I spoke to, with one exception, was taking their decision very seriously, often in two minds, and most were surprisingly well informed and had done research.
The voters made me proud. Not the campaigns.
The leave leaflet that implied we would have open borders with Iraq and Syria was a particularly black bit of propaganda.
So was some of the nonsense put out by Remain and losing £4,000, ridiculous hyperbole over Leave, and sidestepping concerns over the EU Army and future integration.
I didn't deliver any of the Iraq and Syria leaflets.
You're one of the good guys Casino. I said it at the time and stand by the now.
Sadly others did not share your scruples. On both sides.
It will means that millions of people will feel disenfranchised, many will turn to extreme groups, some will turn to violence. Democracy will be discredited. The ballot box will be replaced with the politics of the street.
People feel like that already.
But Leave won the referendum democratically fair and square. Remoaners do not have democracy on their side. d. The losers in an election simply do not have the right to cancel a democratic vote. That is fascism.
Nope. Half the population are angry now. Some are already on the street.
Brexit: Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
You he population. And they have no right to stop Brexit which was decided democratically. And they wont be allowed to either.
Many remainers do feel cheated. Not everyone agrees with you that the referendum was fair and square. Leavers need to deal with that even if they disagree.
Yeah, that free bit of advertising the Remain side got delivered to every house in the country before the referendum started was particularly unfair.
It was an intensely nasty and deliberately misleading campaign.
Project fear wasn't that bad....
The toxic mess we're in now owes much to the divisive nature of both of those campaigns
Both campaigns were poor, and I said so on here at the time. I personally only ordered and delivered the leaflets I was comfortable with both delivering and defending.
Nevertheless, every voter I spoke to, with one exception, was taking their decision very seriously, often in two minds, and most were surprisingly well informed and had done research.
The voters made me proud. Not the campaigns.
The leave leaflet that implied we would have open borders with Iraq and Syria was a particularly black bit of propaganda.
So was some of the nonsense put out by Remain and losing £4,000, ridiculous hyperbole over Leave, and sidestepping concerns over the EU Army and future integration.
I didn't deliver any of the Iraq and Syria leaflets.
You're one of the good guys Casino. I said it at the time and stand by the now.
Sadly others did not share your scruples. On both sides.
My view is we'd have got similar polling on it being the right/wrong decision in hindsight had we voted to Remain.
But, without any serious calls for a second referendum.
Possibly. But that’s not relevant. We are where we are, not where we might have been.
I think it very much is.
Such polling is being used now as an argument to frustrate or stop Brexit, despite the referendum mandate. But there would have been no similar recourse for Remain.
Both the EU, and the UK Government to a lesser extent, would have made it very clear the matter was closed, and the decision binding; albeit I suspect it would have caused ongoing trouble within the Conservative Party.
The issue would have remained live, as UKIP would now be polling 20% or so, had there been a narrow Remain win. But, the leaders of both main parties would be treating the issue as having been settled.
Two leading Conservative MPs have launched a bid to make Theresa May keep the UK in a customs union with the European Union, as the prime minister faces cabinet and party splits over the issue.
Anna Soubry, a former business minister, and Ken Clarke, the former chancellor, said they would try to get cross-party support for keeping the UK’s current customs arrangements with the EU, in a clear challenge to May’s authority.
They have a strong chance of causing an embarrassing government defeat if Jeremy Corbyn’s frontbench supports their amendments to two trade bills when they are debated in the House of Commons before the end of February.
It is understood Labour is not ruling out backing the Tory rebels, who already have the support of a number of pro-EU Labour backbenchers. Soubry said it was part of “building a Brexit consensus inside and outside parliament”.
And on Munich it is the 60th anniversary of the Munich air disaster on the 6th February.
I will never forget that day as I returned home from school my Grandmother telling me my beloved Busby Babes had been wiped out in a plane crash. Gone were Tommy Taylor, Roger Byrne, Eddie Colman, Geoff Bent, Mark Jones, David Pegg, and Billy Whelan and with Duncan Edwards to die in hospital two weeks later. Pictures of Matt Busby in an oxygen tent were on tv daily and of course Bobby Charlton, Harry Gregg, Bill Foukes, Jackie Blanchflower, Johnny Berry, Kenny Morgans, Albert Scanlon, Dennis Viollet and Ray Wood survived many seriously injured.
It seems like yesterday and I remember the blank team sheets so well.
I expect the media will cover the anniversary in some depth next tuesday
Well said BigG . I was not alive However the first big match I remember was Man U beating Benfica in 1968 European cup final.An amazing achievement 10 years after.
Thanks so much Yorky. - Just commented to my wife about it and I could feel a tear in my eye. It was hugely emotional and indeed the whole nation were caught up in it. Indeed Utd got to the FA cup final that year and lost 2-0 to Bolton with Nat Lofthouse scoring twice.
The 1968 European Final triump was amazing and I was privileged to be with my daughter and son in law at the Nou Camp in 1999 when we beat Bayern in that amazing final
It was an amazing final.I watched recently a documentary about the disaster , Jackie Charlton said his brother was never the same person after the tragedy.In regard to Jackie , in 1986 , I got on a train from York to London with my wife and young baby.There was no seats anywhere , then we found one .My wife sat down , I said we can not sit here , she asked why , I said it is first Class, as Jackie was sat there .Anyways it wasn't.My wife had no idea who he was , and he spoke to her about anything but football.When we got to London he said to me , she has no idea who I am does she.?I said no Jack ,she does not like football.He said it was great not to speak about it for a couple of hours.I wished him well, as he had just got the Irish managers job.
It will means that millions of people will feel disenfranchised, many will turn to extreme groups, some will turn to violence. Democracy will be discredited. The ballot box will be replaced with the politics of the street.
People feel like that already.
But Leave won the referendum democratically fair and square. Remoaners do not have democracy on their side. They cannot claim that they were cheated. They lost fair and square. If Leavers on the other habd had Brexit taken away from them despite winning a democratic vote, they would have the right to feel very angry indeed. The losers in an election simply do not have the right to cancel a democratic vote. That is fascism.
Nope. Half the population are angry now. Some are already on the street.
Brexit: Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
You have completely ignored my point. Remainers lost the referendum fairly and squarely. They werent cheated. They are less than half the population. And they have no right to stop Brexit which was decided democratically. And they wont be allowed to either.
Many remainers do feel cheated. Not everyone agrees with you that the referendum was fair and square. Leavers need to deal with that even if they disagree.
Yeah, that free bit of advertising the Remain side got delivered to every house in the country before the referendum started was particularly unfair.
It was an intensely nasty and deliberately misleading campaign.
The losers always say that .
No, the people who favour the status quo ante always say that, regardless of who wins. Same with Scotland - it's Unionists who complain about what a terrible time it was, despite their having won.
Just google "violence scottish referendum" to see how wrong you are. It looks a terrible time to me, and I have always been exactly equidistant from either side, on the grounds that it's none of my business.
Well, I was rather less distant and remember it quite well. As I suspected, your Google results all refer to the day after the referendum when Yes voters and skinheads shouted abuse at each other and threw flares, since that was the only incident involving any documented violence. I'm fairly certain no one was actually injured. Was there something else I missed, or is it this event which leads you to perceive the two-year campaign as "a terrible time"?
And on Munich it is the 60th anniversary of the Munich air disaster on the 6th February.
I will never forget that day as I returned home from school my Grandmother telling me my beloved Busby Babes had been wiped out in a plane crash. Gone were Tommy Taylor, Roger Byrne, Eddie Colman, Geoff Bent, Mark Jones, David Pegg, and Billy Whelan and with Duncan Edwards to die in hospital two weeks later. Pictures of Matt Busby in an oxygen tent were on tv daily and of course Bobby Charlton, Harry Gregg, Bill Foukes, Jackie Blanchflower, Johnny Berry, Kenny Morgans, Albert Scanlon, Dennis Viollet and Ray Wood survived many seriously injured.
It seems like yesterday and I remember the blank team sheets so well.
I expect the media will cover the anniversary in some depth next tuesday
Well said BigG . I was not alive However the first big match I remember was Man U beating Benfica in 1968 European cup final.An amazing achievement 10 years after.
Thanks so much Yorky. - Just commented to my wife about it and I could feel a tear in my eye. It was hugely emotional and indeed the whole nation were caught up in it. Indeed Utd got to the FA cup final that year and lost 2-0 to Bolton with Nat Lofthouse scoring twice.
The 1968 European Final triump was amazing and I was privileged to be with my daughter and son in law at the Nou Camp in 1999 when we beat Bayern in that amazing final
It was an amazing final.I watched recently a documentary about the disaster , Jackie Charlton said his brother was never the same person after the tragedy.In regard to Jackie , in 1986 , I got on a train from York to London with my wife and young baby.There was no seats anywhere , then we found one .My wife sat down , I said we can not sit here , she asked why , I said it is first Class, as Jackie was sat there .Anyways it wasn't.My wife had no idea who he was , and he spoke to her about anything but football.When we got to London he said to me , she has no idea who I am does she.?I said no Jack ,she does not like football.He said it was great not to speak about it for a couple of hours.I wished him well, as he had just got the Irish managers job.
Lovely story. Bobby became a real hero for me and a few years ago my daughter and I met him and he was very interesting to talk to. We were doing well at the time and he said enjoy it while it lasts as nothing is certain in football. Wise words
Well, I was rather less distant and remember it quite well. As I suspected, your Google results all refer to the day after the referendum when Yes voters and skinheads shouted abuse at each other and threw flares, since that was the only incident involving any documented violence. I'm fairly certain no one was actually injured. Was there something else I missed, or is it this event which leads you to perceive the two-year campaign as "a terrible time"?
You must have a different version of google from me.
And on Munich it is the 60th anniversary of the Munich air disaster on the 6th February.
I will never forget that day as I returned home from school my Grandmother telling me my beloved Busby Babes had been wiped out in a plane crash. Gone were Tommy Taylor, Roger Byrne, Eddie Colman, Geoff Bent, Mark Jones, David Pegg, and Billy Whelan and with Duncan Edwards to die in hospital two weeks later. Pictures of Matt Busby in an oxygen tent were on tv daily and of course Bobby Charlton, Harry Gregg, Bill Foukes, Jackie Blanchflower, Johnny Berry, Kenny Morgans, Albert Scanlon, Dennis Viollet and Ray Wood survived many seriously injured.
It seems like yesterday and I remember the blank team sheets so well.
I expect the media will cover the anniversary in some depth next tuesday
Well said BigG . I was not alive However the first big match I remember was Man U beating Benfica in 1968 European cup final.An amazing achievement 10 years after.
Thanks so much Yorky. - Just commented to my wife about it and I could feel a tear in my eye. It was hugely emotional and indeed the whole nation were caught up in it. Indeed Utd got to the FA cup final that year and lost 2-0 to Bolton with Nat Lofthouse scoring twice.
The 1968 European Final triump was amazing and I was privileged to be with my daughter and son in law at the Nou Camp in 1999 when we beat Bayern in that amazing final
It was an amazing final.I watched recently a documentary about the disaster , Jackie Charlton said his brother was never the same person after the tragedy.In regard to Jackie , in 1986 , I got on a train from York to London with my wife and young baby.There was no seats anywhere , then we found one .My wife sat down , I said we can not sit here , she asked why , I said it is first Class, as Jackie was sat there .Anyways it wasn't.My wife had no idea who he was , and he spoke to her about anything but football.When we got to London he said to me , she has no idea who I am does she.?I said no Jack ,she does not like football.He said it was great not to speak about it for a couple of hours.I wished him well, as he had just got the Irish managers job.
It will means that millions of people will feel disenfranchised, many will turn to extreme groups, some will turn to violence. Democracy will be discredited. The ballot box will be replaced with the politics of the street.
People feel like that already.
But Leave won the referendum democratically fair and square. Remoaners do not have democracy on their side. They cannot claim that they were cheated. They lost fair and square. If Leavers on the other habd had Brexit taken away from them despite winning a democratic vote, they would have the right to feel very angry indeed. The losers in an election simply do not have the right to cancel a democratic vote. That is fascism.
Nope. Half the population are angry now. Some are already on the street.
Brexit: Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
You have completely ignored my point. Remainers lost the referendum fairly and squarely. They werent cheated. They are less than half the population. And they have no right to stop Brexit which was decided democratically. And they wont be allowed to either.
Many remainers do feel cheated. Not everyone agrees with you that the referendum was fair and square. Leavers need to deal with that even if they disagree.
Yeah, that free bit of advertising the Remain side got delivered to every house in the country before the referendum started was particularly unfair.
It was an intensely nasty and deliberately misleading campaign.
The losers always say that .
It was toxic from start to end. I've never seen anything like it. We're all losers because of it.
The Scottish referendum was far far nastier. By an order of magnitude.
D'ye mean the 'scum' smoking dope within 30 meters of the George Square war memorial, or the other lot popping off Nazi salutes and flares even closer to it?
Well, I was rather less distant and remember it quite well. As I suspected, your Google results all refer to the day after the referendum when Yes voters and skinheads shouted abuse at each other and threw flares, since that was the only incident involving any documented violence. I'm fairly certain no one was actually injured. Was there something else I missed, or is it this event which leads you to perceive the two-year campaign as "a terrible time"?
You must have a different version of google from me.
The pungent immediacy of Google trumps actually being there every time.
Well, I was rather less distant and remember it quite well. As I suspected, your Google results all refer to the day after the referendum when Yes voters and skinheads shouted abuse at each other and threw flares, since that was the only incident involving any documented violence. I'm fairly certain no one was actually injured. Was there something else I missed, or is it this event which leads you to perceive the two-year campaign as "a terrible time"?
You must have a different version of google from me.
The pungent immediacy of Google trumps actually being there every time.
I'm sure all your knowledge and understanding of the world is based on primary sensory input (although that creates a slight paradox about how you are able to reply to my posts). For the rest of us there is google, and as google is the same, for most purposes, for everyone, it's a bit pointless misrepresenting what it says.
Well, I was rather less distant and remember it quite well. As I suspected, your Google results all refer to the day after the referendum when Yes voters and skinheads shouted abuse at each other and threw flares, since that was the only incident involving any documented violence. I'm fairly certain no one was actually injured. Was there something else I missed, or is it this event which leads you to perceive the two-year campaign as "a terrible time"?
You must have a different version of google from me.
The pungent immediacy of Google trumps actually being there every time.
Now you get into the very interesting questions of recall of events and eyewitness bias versus reality.
Two leading Conservative MPs have launched a bid to make Theresa May keep the UK in a customs union with the European Union, as the prime minister faces cabinet and party splits over the issue.
Anna Soubry, a former business minister, and Ken Clarke, the former chancellor, said they would try to get cross-party support for keeping the UK’s current customs arrangements with the EU, in a clear challenge to May’s authority.
They have a strong chance of causing an embarrassing government defeat if Jeremy Corbyn’s frontbench supports their amendments to two trade bills when they are debated in the House of Commons before the end of February.
It is understood Labour is not ruling out backing the Tory rebels, who already have the support of a number of pro-EU Labour backbenchers. Soubry said it was part of “building a Brexit consensus inside and outside parliament”.
Well, I was rather less distant and remember it quite well. As I suspected, your Google results all refer to the day after the referendum when Yes voters and skinheads shouted abuse at each other and threw flares, since that was the only incident involving any documented violence. I'm fairly certain no one was actually injured. Was there something else I missed, or is it this event which leads you to perceive the two-year campaign as "a terrible time"?
You must have a different version of google from me.
The pungent immediacy of Google trumps actually being there every time.
I'm sure all your knowledge and understanding of the world is based on primary sensory input (although that creates a slight paradox about how you are able to reply to my posts). For the rest of us there is google, and as google is the same, for most purposes, for everyone, it's a bit pointless misrepresenting what it says.
Personally I think primary sensory input and Google is better than Google, though I'm pretty relaxed about people who want to depend on Google alone.
@MichaelLCrick: Staffs Police announce that after consultation with Crown Prosecution Service there is “insufficient evidence” to prosecute former Ukip leader Paul Nuttall over registering as candidate & voter at a house in Stoke during by-election last year when he wasn’t living there
@MichaelLCrick: Staffs Police announce that after consultation with Crown Prosecution Service there is “insufficient evidence” to prosecute former Ukip leader Paul Nuttall over registering as candidate & voter at a house in Stoke during by-election last year when he wasn’t living there
Well there's nothing stopping these people from doing so.
Save your £52 and donate it to your local hospital.
' 73% of those quizzed in a Mirror poll by Survation, would give up an £1 a week to keep the NHS free and out of the clutches of the private health firms circling like vultures.
Given how Brexit has been conducted by the government, the statistic in the headline is more of an indicator to me of an unusual sample than a likely hint of Brexiters' remorse among Conservatives. Until a trend has been established more clearly, it seems hard to say that there's been any great upheaval in public opinion.
Fair comment
I never provide any other kind.
Come come: we all can err. For instance I very much suspect that maybe even more than once you've bought a pencil with an eraser on it.
It's a section 114 notice under the Local govt finance act 1988. Essentially the Director of Finance has determined they cannot set a balanced budget. I expect the government and the auditors will step in - councils can't actually go bankrupt in reality as HMT would always step in. Particularly for county councils as they run schools and adult social care and children's services - you can't allow those to stop running.
Two leading Conservative MPs have launched a bid to make Theresa May keep the UK in a customs union with the European Union, as the prime minister faces cabinet and party splits over the issue.
Anna Soubry, a former business minister, and Ken Clarke, the former chancellor, said they would try to get cross-party support for keeping the UK’s current customs arrangements with the EU, in a clear challenge to May’s authority.
They have a strong chance of causing an embarrassing government defeat if Jeremy Corbyn’s frontbench supports their amendments to two trade bills when they are debated in the House of Commons before the end of February.
It is understood Labour is not ruling out backing the Tory rebels, who already have the support of a number of pro-EU Labour backbenchers. Soubry said it was part of “building a Brexit consensus inside and outside parliament”.
Inevitable correction. Whether it's a pause or the start of a decline we don't know but an increase of 30% on the year - from levels that were far from depressed - is simply too far too fast.
Inevitable correction. Whether it's a pause or the start of a decline we don't know but an increase of 30% on the year - from levels that were far from depressed - is simply too far too fast.
Well there's nothing stopping these people from doing so.
Save your £52 and donate it to your local hospital.
' 73% of those quizzed in a Mirror poll by Survation, would give up an £1 a week to keep the NHS free and out of the clutches of the private health firms circling like vultures.
Though £2.75bn is approximately 2% of the NHS income from the taxpayers.
So I doubt that will be the decisive factor 'to keep the NHS free and out of the clutches of the private health firms circling like vultures.'
Surely "giving up £1 a week to keep the NHS free" would itself render the NHS not free? And were respondents screened to establish whether they understood what "free at the point of use" means?
It will means that millions of people will feel disenfranchised, many will turn to extreme groups, some will turn to violence. Democracy will be discredited. The ballot box will be replaced with the politics of the street.
People feel like that already.
But Leave won the referendum democratically fair and square. Remoaners do not have democracy on their side. They cannot claim that they were cheated. They lost fair and square. If Leavers on the other habd had Brexit taken away from them despite winning a democratic vote, they would have the right to feel very angry indeed. The losers in an election simply do not have the right to cancel a democratic vote. That is fascism.
Nope. Half the population are angry now. Some are already on the street.
Brexit: Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
You have completely ignored my point. Remainers lost the referendum fairly and squarely. They werent cheated. They are less than half the population. And they have no right to stop Brexit which was decided democratically. And they wont be allowed to either.
Many remainers do feel cheated. Not everyone agrees with you that the referendum was fair and square. Leavers need to deal with that even if they disagree.
Yeah, that free bit of advertising the Remain side got delivered to every house in the country before the referendum started was particularly unfair.
It was an intensely nasty and deliberately misleading campaign.
The losers always say that .
It was toxic from start to end. I've never seen anything like it. We're all losers because of it.
The Scottish referendum was far far nastier. By an order of magnitude.
How many MPs were murdered during the Indyref campaign?
Only a simpleton would offer that up as the square root of fuck all.
Inevitable correction. Whether it's a pause or the start of a decline we don't know but an increase of 30% on the year - from levels that were far from depressed - is simply too far too fast.
It'll knock some of the nominal value off my pension pot I suspect, but hey lower cost = more units on the good old autobuy. Dow, FTSE, Dax, Hang Seng and Nikkei 2048 or whenever I head into bonds/cash are the important numbers Taken a small punt on Crapita today too
The problem is that the Conservatives are no good at running anything. They should not be let near the economy and finances of government at any level.
The problem is that the Conservatives are no good at running anything. They should not be let near the economy and finances of government at any level.
Some people at least make their astroturfing interesting, or funny. This is just yawn....
Interesting how people oppose globalisation when its 'people like us' losing out.
I've not read the article, but it strikes me that the main problem is that new build housing is overpriced, it appeals more to foreign speculators than local buyers. Forcing developers to try and sell housing to local people who cant afford it won't achieve much.
It will only be surprising if we find mummy and daddy aren’t multimillion property developers and that he didn’t attended a second rate private school....
Interesting how people oppose globalisation when its 'people like us' losing out.
I've not read the article, but it strikes me that the main problem is that new build housing is overpriced, it appeals more to foreign speculators than local buyers. Forcing developers to try and sell housing to local people who cant afford it won't achieve much.
Why is it overpriced? Because if we want to 'solve' many of the housing problems, then that is the issue. And land cost/availability - although that is mainly focused on - is only a minor factor.
Building standards (e.g. green requirements), S106, labour costs, etc are other significant factors. If we want to build quality housing that people in the UK want (e.g. garden and garage in a 'nice' area near a 'good' school) , then it is hard to see how we can build down to the required cost.
We want too much, but can not afford what we want. Something has to give.
I didn't know he could still do that - live and Corbyn-undead at the same time! I hope it's taxed at 100%
Lol! Was good to have nearly 10 minutes - unusual in todays' news programmes. Spent most of it extolling the virtues of Michael Gove and Theresa Villiers. Funny world.
The curator has certainly managed to generate a lot of publicity for Manchester City Art Gallery,which alongside Birmingham City Art Gallery and Tate Britain has a fantastic collection of Victorian painting, but which is not visited as much as it should be. Great result for her!
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Dammed if we do, dammed if we don't. Will take 20 years and classic British fudges to get over it.
Well, knock me down with a feather.
Meant tongue in cheek!
https://twitter.com/ir_emery/status/959481433910861824
Remainers do feel like that. Mainly down to the campaign lies and bullshit. You disagree, but someone will have to deal with it if this country is to move on.
Nevertheless, every voter I spoke to, with one exception, was taking their decision very seriously, often in two minds, and most were surprisingly well informed and had done research.
The voters made me proud. Not the campaigns.
"Many remainers do feel cheated. Not everyone agrees with you that the referendum was fair and square. Leavers need to deal with that even if they disagree."
Remainers need to deal with it, they are being the children. Someone has taken away their nice pretty toy so they're having a tantrum. Those nasty grown-ups keep doing this, leaving the kids threatening to sqweam and sqweam until they're sick. Then you adults will be sorry, won't you?.
I didn't deliver any of the Iraq and Syria leaflets.
Today marks the 75th anniversary of the heroic Red Army's glorious victory over the evil Fascist Invader at Stalingrad!
We are totally fcked.
It looks to me like one of the anarchist rent-a-mob (you can tell, hoody and dark glasses so they can cause trouble without being identified) and one of Mogg's fans losing his shit with him.
Sadly others did not share your scruples. On both sides.
I've been struck with how little difficulty the government has had with Brexit business in the Commons.
Brexit the new Munich?
And on Munich it is the 60th anniversary of the Munich air disaster on the 6th February.
I will never forget that day as I returned home from school my Grandmother telling me my beloved Busby Babes had been wiped out in a plane crash. Gone were Tommy Taylor, Roger Byrne, Eddie Colman, Geoff Bent, Mark Jones, David Pegg, and Billy Whelan and with Duncan Edwards to die in hospital two weeks later. Pictures of Matt Busby in an oxygen tent were on tv daily and of course Bobby Charlton, Harry Gregg, Bill Foukes, Jackie Blanchflower, Johnny Berry, Kenny Morgans, Albert Scanlon, Dennis Viollet and Ray Wood survived many seriously injured.
It seems like yesterday and I remember the blank team sheets so well.
I expect the media will cover the anniversary in some depth next tuesday
Well said BigG . I was not alive However the first big match I remember was Man U beating Benfica in 1968 European cup final.An amazing achievement 10 years after.
Thanks so much Yorky. - Just commented to my wife about it and I could feel a tear in my eye. It was hugely emotional and indeed the whole nation were caught up in it. Indeed Utd got to the FA cup final that year and lost 2-0 to Bolton with Nat Lofthouse scoring twice.
The 1968 European Final triump was amazing and I was privileged to be with my daughter and son in law at the Nou Camp in 1999 when we beat Bayern in that amazing final
It was an amazing final.I watched recently a documentary about the disaster , Jackie Charlton said his brother was never the same person after the tragedy.In regard to Jackie , in 1986 , I got on a train from York to London with my wife and young baby.There was no seats anywhere , then we found one .My wife sat down , I said we can not sit here , she asked why , I said it is first Class, as Jackie was sat there .Anyways it wasn't.My wife had no idea who he was , and he spoke to her about anything but football.When we got to London he said to me , she has no idea who I am does she.?I said no Jack ,she does not like football.He said it was great not to speak about it for a couple of hours.I wished him well, as he had just got the Irish managers job.
I will never forget that day as I returned home from school my Grandmother telling me my beloved Busby Babes had been wiped out in a plane crash. Gone were Tommy Taylor, Roger Byrne, Eddie Colman, Geoff Bent, Mark Jones, David Pegg, and Billy Whelan and with Duncan Edwards to die in hospital two weeks later. Pictures of Matt Busby in an oxygen tent were on tv daily and of course Bobby Charlton, Harry Gregg, Bill Foukes, Jackie Blanchflower, Johnny Berry, Kenny Morgans, Albert Scanlon, Dennis Viollet and Ray Wood survived many seriously injured.
It seems like yesterday and I remember the blank team sheets so well.
I expect the media will cover the anniversary in some depth next tuesday
Well said BigG . I was not alive However the first big match I remember was Man U beating Benfica in 1968 European cup final.An amazing achievement 10 years after.
Thanks so much Yorky. - Just commented to my wife about it and I could feel a tear in my eye. It was hugely emotional and indeed the whole nation were caught up in it. Indeed Utd got to the FA cup final that year and lost 2-0 to Bolton with Nat Lofthouse scoring twice.
The 1968 European Final triump was amazing and I was privileged to be with my daughter and son in law at the Nou Camp in 1999 when we beat Bayern in that amazing final
It was an amazing final.I watched recently a documentary about the disaster , Jackie Charlton said his brother was never the same person after the tragedy.In regard to Jackie , in 1986 , I got on a train from York to London with my wife and young baby.There was no seats anywhere , then we found one .My wife sat down , I said we can not sit here , she asked why , I said it is first Class, as Jackie was sat there .Anyways it wasn't.My wife had no idea who he was , and he spoke to her about anything but football.When we got to London he said to me , she has no idea who I am does she.?I said no Jack ,she does not like football.He said it was great not to speak about it for a couple of hours.I wished him well, as he had just got the Irish managers job.
Lovely story. Bobby became a real hero for me and a few years ago my daughter and I met him and he was very interesting to talk to. We were doing well at the time and he said enjoy it while it lasts as nothing is certain in football. Wise words
I will never forget that day as I returned home from school my Grandmother telling me my beloved Busby Babes had been wiped out in a plane crash. Gone were Tommy Taylor, Roger Byrne, Eddie Colman, Geoff Bent, Mark Jones, David Pegg, and Billy Whelan and with Duncan Edwards to die in hospital two weeks later. Pictures of Matt Busby in an oxygen tent were on tv daily and of course Bobby Charlton, Harry Gregg, Bill Foukes, Jackie Blanchflower, Johnny Berry, Kenny Morgans, Albert Scanlon, Dennis Viollet and Ray Wood survived many seriously injured.
It seems like yesterday and I remember the blank team sheets so well.
I expect the media will cover the anniversary in some depth next tuesday
Well said BigG . I was not alive However the first big match I remember was Man U beating Benfica in 1968 European cup final.An amazing achievement 10 years after.
Thanks so much Yorky. - Just commented to my wife about it and I could feel a tear in my eye. It was hugely emotional and indeed the whole nation were caught up in it. Indeed Utd got to the FA cup final that year and lost 2-0 to Bolton with Nat Lofthouse scoring twice.
The 1968 European Final triump was amazing and I was privileged to be with my daughter and son in law at the Nou Camp in 1999 when we beat Bayern in that amazing final
It was an amazing final.I watched recently a documentary about the disaster , Jackie Charlton said his brother was never the same person after the tragedy.In regard to Jackie , in 1986 , I got on a train from York to London with my wife and young baby.There was no seats anywhere , then we found one .My wife sat down , I said we can not sit here , she asked why , I said it is first Class, as Jackie was sat there .Anyways it wasn't.My wife had no idea who he was , and he spoke to her about anything but football.When we got to London he said to me , she has no idea who I am does she.?I said no Jack ,she does not like football.He said it was great not to speak about it for a couple of hours.I wished him well, as he had just got the Irish managers job.
What a lovely story. Thanks for sharing that.
https://twitter.com/davidmackintosh/status/954439345729081344
Save your £52 and donate it to your local hospital.
' 73% of those quizzed in a Mirror poll by Survation, would give up an £1 a week to keep the NHS free and out of the clutches of the private health firms circling like vultures.
That would bring in £2.75billion a year. '
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/three-quarters-brits-would-pay-11955709
Though £2.75bn is approximately 2% of the NHS income from the taxpayers.
So I doubt that will be the decisive factor 'to keep the NHS free and out of the clutches of the private health firms circling like vultures.'
Do they want to be in the EU customs union or are they backing a Turkey?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/foreign-homebuyers-blocked-in-first-dibs-for-locals-plan-l6bhj8d85
Interesting how people oppose globalisation when its 'people like us' losing out.
BrexitBitcoin...https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/959536676220612609
For some reason Piers Morgan can't stop sharing that image on his twitter feed.
Taken a small punt on Crapita today too
Considering that EdM must have lived most of his life about five miles from Tottenham it really did show what a sheltered life he had led.
He really did think that the 'everyday folk of Dartmouth Park' were 'everyday folk'.
Fu*king Dickheads.
This is why JRM is not out of the running.
https://twitter.com/bbchelenalee/status/959543065890435073
Forcing developers to try and sell housing to local people who cant afford it won't achieve much.
Building standards (e.g. green requirements), S106, labour costs, etc are other significant factors. If we want to build quality housing that people in the UK want (e.g. garden and garage in a 'nice' area near a 'good' school) , then it is hard to see how we can build down to the required cost.
We want too much, but can not afford what we want. Something has to give.
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-42917974
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-42902684
Let's hear from Corbyn - he has a growing problem with the hard momentum members