Interesting interviews on The World at One regarding Oxfam, Save the Children and Brendan Cox. Worth listening to, especially by those who think that a person's personal circumstances should absolve them of responsibility for their actions. Women's voices on this really do need to be heard - and by men.
May backs leaving the EU, leaving the single market and ending free movement as does Corbyn.
May backs leaving the current Customs Union, Corbyn wants to replace the current Customs Union with a new Customs Union.
As I said there is not a cigarette paper between them on Brexit and both are closer to each other than the likes of Redwood, Rees-Mogg, Soubry and Umunna.
So there is no point Remainer Tory MPs voting for a Corbyn Brexit 'deal' as it will inevitably replicate a May Brexit 'deal' almost word for word!
The main difference between a Corbyn Brexit and a May Brexit would I think be about state aid rules. Corbyn would want full freedom to be able to waste taxpayers' money propping up failing industries. That would be a red line for the EU, so a Corbyn Brexit might well end up as a harder Brexit than we'll get under May. In addition Corbyn would want to destroy the City, which again points to a harder Brexit than hopefully we'll actually get.
Except we're a few days away from Labour formally announcing they want to stay in the Customs Union...
May backs leaving the EU, leaving the single market and ending free movement as does Corbyn.
May backs leaving the current Customs Union, Corbyn wants to replace the current Customs Union with a new Customs Union.
As I said there is not a cigarette paper between them on Brexit and both are closer to each other than the likes of Redwood, Rees-Mogg, Soubry and Umunna.
So there is no point Remainer Tory MPs voting for a Corbyn Brexit 'deal' as it will inevitably replicate a May Brexit 'deal' almost word for word!
The main difference between a Corbyn Brexit and a May Brexit would I think be about state aid rules. Corbyn would want full freedom to be able to waste taxpayers' money propping up failing industries. That would be a red line for the EU, so a Corbyn Brexit might well end up as a harder Brexit than we'll get under May. In addition Corbyn would want to destroy the City, which again points to a harder Brexit than hopefully we'll actually get.
Yes the only difference may be Corbyn wants a Canada Plus socialism FTA deal whereas May wants a Canada plus financial services FTA deal.
No prizes for guessing which of those Remainer Tory MPs will prefer
May backs leaving the EU, leaving the single market and ending free movement as does Corbyn.
May backs leaving the current Customs Union, Corbyn wants to replace the current Customs Union with a new Customs Union.
As I said there is not a cigarette paper between them on Brexit and both are closer to each other than the likes of Redwood, Rees-Mogg, Soubry and Umunna.
So there is no point Remainer Tory MPs voting for a Corbyn Brexit 'deal' as it will inevitably replicate a May Brexit 'deal' almost word for word!
The main difference between a Corbyn Brexit and a May Brexit would I think be about state aid rules. Corbyn would want full freedom to be able to waste taxpayers' money propping up failing industries. That would be a red line for the EU, so a Corbyn Brexit might well end up as a harder Brexit than we'll get under May. In addition Corbyn would want to destroy the City, which again points to a harder Brexit than hopefully we'll actually get.
Except we're a few days away from Labour formally announcing they want to stay in the Customs Union...
Not 'the' Customs Union 'a' Customs Union which even May has made movement towards
May backs leaving the EU, leaving the single market and ending free movement as does Corbyn.
May backs leaving the current Customs Union, Corbyn wants to replace the current Customs Union with a new Customs Union.
As I said there is not a cigarette paper between them on Brexit and both are closer to each other than the likes of Redwood, Rees-Mogg, Soubry and Umunna.
So there is no point Remainer Tory MPs voting for a Corbyn Brexit 'deal' as it will inevitably replicate a May Brexit 'deal' almost word for word!
The main difference between a Corbyn Brexit and a May Brexit would I think be about state aid rules. Corbyn would want full freedom to be able to waste taxpayers' money propping up failing industries. That would be a red line for the EU, so a Corbyn Brexit might well end up as a harder Brexit than we'll get under May. In addition Corbyn would want to destroy the City, which again points to a harder Brexit than hopefully we'll actually get.
Except we're a few days away from Labour formally announcing they want to stay in the Customs Union...
I don't think Corbyn has the faintest idea what a Customs Union is, TBH.
I agree Keir Starmer would do things differently, if it were entirely up to him. But then, so would Phil Hammond.
If the UK doesn't want a hard border and the Irish don't want a hard border, and the UK and the Irish are comfy with localised trade crossing the border unchecked, what's the problem?
Brussels.
Exactly.
Nope, it is WTO rules.
If we sign an agreement with Ireland then the WTO won't be interested. But Brussels won't allow that.
People seem to insist on making the Irish border a big issue. It's not.
There are bits of Germany that are inside Switzerland. There's a bit of Italy that's inside Switzerland. Solutions were found. And will be found here, because the price of not finding a solution is too high.
These are much, much harder problems to solve than the Irish border.
The Irish border is a hard *political* problem because all of the obvious solutions are unacceptable in various ways to various groups.
Or one of the groups has a bunch of stupid proposals for Oirish language that nobody speaks that it has inserted into the negotiations specifically to spike them.
I'm not quite sure what the Irish language proposals have to do with the post Brexit Irish border situation, apart from the 'up Hard Brexit, down with the GFA' DUP being quite content with the current power-sharing impasse.
The SNP have wasted a ton of money on their novelty road and rail signs up and down Scotland.
You mean carrying on with the legislation set up by the SLab/LD government, & supported by the SCons before they became semi-deranged?
May backs leaving the EU, leaving the single market and ending free movement as does Corbyn.
May backs leaving the current Customs Union, Corbyn wants to replace the current Customs Union with a new Customs Union.
As I said there is not a cigarette paper between them on Brexit and both are closer to each other than the likes of Redwood, Rees-Mogg, Soubry and Umunna.
So there is no point Remainer Tory MPs voting for a Corbyn Brexit 'deal' as it will inevitably replicate a May Brexit 'deal' almost word for word!
The main difference between a Corbyn Brexit and a May Brexit would I think be about state aid rules. Corbyn would want full freedom to be able to waste taxpayers' money propping up failing industries. That would be a red line for the EU, so a Corbyn Brexit might well end up as a harder Brexit than we'll get under May. In addition Corbyn would want to destroy the City, which again points to a harder Brexit than hopefully we'll actually get.
Except we're a few days away from Labour formally announcing they want to stay in the Customs Union...
I don't think Corbyn has the faintest idea what a Customs Union is, TBH.
I agree Keir Starmer would do things differently, if it were entirely up to him. But then, so would Phil Hammond.
The big giveaway is Emily Thornberry (who is not only very loyal to Corbyn, but who also is quite considered in what she says and doesn't tend to flip-flop in her public statements in the way even John McDonnell sometimes does) saying this at the weekend:
As others have said, Corbyn really isn't that fussed about the EU/Brexit one way or the other. If the polling and focus-grouping they're doing is indicating that Labour's target voters don't care about freedom to do trade deals, and don't care about the Customs Union (or don't even know what it is), then I doubt Corbyn will have any objection.
May backs leaving the EU, leaving the single market and ending free movement as does Corbyn.
May backs leaving the current Customs Union, Corbyn wants to replace the current Customs Union with a new Customs Union.
As I said there is not a cigarette paper between them on Brexit and both are closer to each other than the likes of Redwood, Rees-Mogg, Soubry and Umunna.
So there is no point Remainer Tory MPs voting for a Corbyn Brexit 'deal' as it will inevitably replicate a May Brexit 'deal' almost word for word!
The main difference between a Corbyn Brexit and a May Brexit would I think be about state aid rules. Corbyn would want full freedom to be able to waste taxpayers' money propping up failing industries. That would be a red line for the EU, so a Corbyn Brexit might well end up as a harder Brexit than we'll get under May. In addition Corbyn would want to destroy the City, which again points to a harder Brexit than hopefully we'll actually get.
Except we're a few days away from Labour formally announcing they want to stay in the Customs Union...
I don't think Corbyn has the faintest idea what a Customs Union is, TBH.
I agree Keir Starmer would do things differently, if it were entirely up to him. But then, so would Phil Hammond.
The big giveaway is Emily Thornberry (who is not only very loyal to Corbyn, but who also is quite considered in what she says and doesn't tend to flip-flop in her public statements in the way even John McDonnell sometimes does) saying this at the weekend:
As others have said, Corbyn really isn't that fussed about the EU/Brexit one way or the other. If the polling and focus-grouping they're doing is indicating that Labour's target voters don't care about freedom to do trade deals, and don't care about the Customs Union (or don't even know what it is), then I doubt Corbyn will have any objection.
I watched that interview and Thornberry made quite clear Labour supported 'a' form of Customs Union not the current Customs Union as well as leaving the single market to control migration and respect the Leave vote.
Again, not a cigarette paper's difference from May's position on Brexit
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No prizes for guessing which of those Remainer Tory MPs will prefer
I agree Keir Starmer would do things differently, if it were entirely up to him. But then, so would Phil Hammond.
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As others have said, Corbyn really isn't that fussed about the EU/Brexit one way or the other. If the polling and focus-grouping they're doing is indicating that Labour's target voters don't care about freedom to do trade deals, and don't care about the Customs Union (or don't even know what it is), then I doubt Corbyn will have any objection.
Again, not a cigarette paper's difference from May's position on Brexit