Also, Labour are re-admitting Ken Livingstone? Seriously? So I’m still on track to vote for the Greens whenever the next GE is, then.
Classic lefty cop-out when you know they'd back Labour all the time.
Or pain free choice if you live in a safe seat.
Unless I move it doesn't matter how I vote as I will always have a Labour MP - same for probably two thirds of the country.
Very true.I haved lived in a safe Conservative seat for years.It does not matter what I vote.That is FPTP for you.Would prefer parties fight for every vote , with a PR system.
Indeed, a remainer friend of mine has just lived through this. She's had Nigerian neighbours for the last two years, they've sold and an "investor" bought the house who has rented it out as a HMO to five Romanians. A few days ago she said "I get why people voted leave" and was asking for advice on how to have the landlord sanctioned and the people evicted. Her reasons - they are loud, they play music late into the night, they shout at each other all the time, they leave rubbish out on the front lawn, they are constantly drunk and they "leer" at her when she leaves the house if they are on the front lawn.
She used to wear "living next to Africans" as a badge of non-racist/leaver honour.
Ultimately that’s not about race, it’s about age/demographic profile. Part of the challenge is the character of Romanian immigration is young, single men willing to live cheaply to send money home
Agreed, but that's part of what drove the leave vote, young Eastern European men making life misery for their neighbours. And was pointed out earlier, there is a correlation between leave voting areas and Eastern European immigration.
If a week of living next to some of them can switch one of the most ardent remainers I know to leave, then I absolutely see where the vote was won.
How true max.
The Eastern European family opposite my family had just moved in and blasting the music out all night.
I couldn't get any sleep so I went across and was threatened with been killed (finger across the throat) along with my cancer recovering mother,police were called.
We in Bradford have enough problems so the open door from the EU we're in my area bringing the poor ,unemployable ,alcoholic, benefits people.
I'll give you the area and you can see for yourself .
Bradley has still to learn about how to use Parliamentary Privilege about Corbyn and goats.
If he’d said what he said in the Chamber, the Speaker would have had him retract it and apologise in very short order. The reason that MPs refer to each other as Honourable is to stop that sort of mud-slinging.
Also, Labour are re-admitting Ken Livingstone? Seriously? So I’m still on track to vote for the Greens whenever the next GE is, then.
I don't buy this Labour anti-Semitism stuff. A lot of lefties loathe Israel's bulling and as a disproportionate number of Jews support Israel (not all by a long way) it might spill over into something that looks like anti semitism. My antipathy to Leavers whatever creed colour or geographical background has opened my eyes to prejudice. I could even imagine myself uttering the words 'some of my best friends are Leavers'. (But of course they're not)
Bradley has still to learn about how to use Parliamentary Privilege about Corbyn and goats.
If he’d said what he said in the Chamber, the Speaker would have had him retract it and apologise in very short order. The reason that MPs refer to each other as Honourable is to stop that sort of mud-slinging.
I see Ben Bradley MP has issued a full retraction, an apology a substantial sum to a charity of Jezzas choice and costs to avoid legal action. Well done Jezza for standing up to lying Tories.
Agreed, but that's part of what drove the leave vote, young Eastern European men making life misery for their neighbours. And was pointed out earlier, there is a correlation between leave voting areas and Eastern European immigration. .
I’d be interested to see a source for that claim. It’s possible - but given that we know the leave vote was correlated with low immigration... it seems unlikely to be a very strong correlation...
Indeed in areas with shrinking populations like Copeland or the Welsh Valleys voted Leave.
Also, Labour are re-admitting Ken Livingstone? Seriously? So I’m still on track to vote for the Greens whenever the next GE is, then.
Classic lefty cop-out when you know they'd back Labour all the time.
Or pain free choice if you live in a safe seat.
Unless I move it doesn't matter how I vote as I will always have a Labour MP - same for probably two thirds of the country.
Very true.I haved lived in a safe Conservative seat for years.It does not matter what I vote.That is FPTP for you.Would prefer parties fight for every vote , with a PR system.
The delight I experienced when the area where I lived, Castle Point, was won by Labour in 1997, after years of substantial Tory majorities was immense.
That's fab! It's taken a long time but I think I'm just about sold on him.....OH! Jeremy Corbyn OH! Jeremy Corbyn....OH! Jeremy Corbyn....OH! Jeremy Corbyn
Agreed, but that's part of what drove the leave vote, young Eastern European men making life misery for their neighbours. And was pointed out earlier, there is a correlation between leave voting areas and Eastern European immigration. .
I’d be interested to see a source for that claim. It’s possible - but given that we know the leave vote was correlated with low immigration... it seems unlikely to be a very strong correlation...
Indeed in areas with shrinking populations like Copeland or the Welsh Valleys voted Leave.
The correlation is with areas of economic backwardness. Needless to say, where these areas *do* attract immigration, it tends to be low-skilled.
I see Ben Bradley MP has issued a full retraction, an apology a substantial sum to a charity of Jezzas choice and costs to avoid legal action. Well done Jezza for standing up to lying Tories.
Also, Labour are re-admitting Ken Livingstone? Seriously? So I’m still on track to vote for the Greens whenever the next GE is, then.
Yes it is easier to abstain in reality ,in a binary choice.However for many it will be a choice between a Corbyn government or 5 more years of a conservative one.You can sit on the fence and be saintly.
It’s been a choice between a Labour and Conservative government for decades now, if you feel that I’m being ‘saintly’ for not choosing one of them then I wonder how you feel about other voters who haven’t voted for big two in previous elections. Do you feel they see themselves as ‘saintly,’ as well? I don’t have any issues with those who decide vote for Labour so I’m not quite sure why you seem to think I look down on you. Hell, I’ve spent time on here defending young people who did vote for Corbyn these last past few months.
For some reason or another several times when I’ve stated who I intend (or am considering) to vote for, there’s always some kind of issue.This was the case during the GE as well (and in that case I was thinking for voting for one of the big two, IIRC you had issue with that as well).
Also, Labour are re-admitting Ken Livingstone? Seriously? So I’m still on track to vote for the Greens whenever the next GE is, then.
Classic lefty cop-out when you know they'd back Labour all the time.
Or pain free choice if you live in a safe seat.
Unless I move it doesn't matter how I vote as I will always have a Labour MP - same for probably two thirds of the country.
Very true.I haved lived in a safe Conservative seat for years.It does not matter what I vote.That is FPTP for you.Would prefer parties fight for every vote , with a PR system.
The delight I experienced when the area where I lived, Castle Point, was won by Labour in 1997, after years of substantial Tory majorities was immense.
OkC never had that experience in a GE I live in York Outer , which was previously Ryedale.Safe Conservative seat.However there was a shock in a by election in 1986 as Ryedale was won by the Lib Dems.
Also, Labour are re-admitting Ken Livingstone? Seriously? So I’m still on track to vote for the Greens whenever the next GE is, then.
Classic lefty cop-out when you know they'd back Labour all the time.
Or pain free choice if you live in a safe seat.
Unless I move it doesn't matter how I vote as I will always have a Labour MP - same for probably two thirds of the country.
Very true.I haved lived in a safe Conservative seat for years.It does not matter what I vote.That is FPTP for you.Would prefer parties fight for every vote , with a PR system.
The delight I experienced when the area where I lived, Castle Point, was won by Labour in 1997, after years of substantial Tory majorities was immense.
1997? So New Labour then. So that's actually the seat being retained by Tories, according to the cultists.
I thought SeanT was a bit pissed last night, but he’s now on Twitter demanding that we bomb Brussels.
WTH?
Perfectly proportionate response. Tusk comments on Twitter, we nuke Warsaw. I think Sean might have had some of those £100 bottles of wine delivered early.
The substantial sum Ben Bradley agreed to pay as part of him labelling Jeza has gone to Mansfield food bank. Owen Hone is there today with over 100 other Labour canvessors in an unseat Ben Bradley event. I understand the news of his apology and donation has gone down very well amongst the assembled Socialists.
Whenever the Tories have been caught smearing a Labour leader in the past, it often backfires on them.
Who can forget the Tory press' unsuccessful bid to get at Ed Miliband through his dead father, claiming that he "hated Britain"? Miliband's ratings shot up for a while and Labour was 12 points ahead in the polls (a lead that Corbyn can only dream of).
I keep hearing Corbynistas reciting the mantra "change is coming", a quote from Corbyn's sinister little video this week.
But it isnt you know, because Corbyn doesn have the poll ratings to bring about that change. Labour is still at best 1 or 2 points ahead of the Tories (nowhere near Miliband's 12), and even if that came true in a general election, (doubtful), the best that it could hope for would be a minority Labour government dependent entirely on the Liberal Democrats who would veto virtually every piece of hard left legislation.
Corbyn would be the prisoner of the Yellows, until the voters, seeing through Corbyn, voted in the Tories again.
The most sensible change would be for Labour to change its leader.
Brexit is a complete mess and neither all out or all it seem likely to be the end result.
Anna Soubry, Dominic Grieve and the conservative rebels are going to die in the ditch to frustrate the process as they believe Brexit will be a complete disaster. They may well be right and I accept their right to exercise their vote to determine the process of Brexit. They have the power, unlike the Brexiteers who do not have the numbers in either the HOC or HOL.
I am in the uneasy position of agreeing with both sides but the danger for those trying to frustrate Brexit is that large numbers of ordinary voters will feel betrayed by an elite both here and in Brussels and the scars will run through our politics for a generation.
I hope that the resolution will be a sensible compromise as I am not overly worried about our own trade deals but do want control of our laws and and to stop paying Brussels billions.
As far as the spy nonsense is concerned I see 8% felt it damaged Corbyn and 6% it did not, while most people just got on with their lives. As far as the polls are concerned they are statistically static and there is no improvement in Corbyn's rating over Theresa May.
The most frustrating thing about Brexit is it's all consuming capture of the narrative while the real issues of the NHS, Social care and Higher Education are consigned to the long grass when they need urgent attention.
Has there ever been a more frustrating time in politics. The last time the Country was like this was during the miners strikes and later when the refuse was lying in the streets uncollected and the dead lay unburied.
Lets hope somewhere sense will prevail, but I am not holding my breath
Also, Labour are re-admitting Ken Livingstone? Seriously? So I’m still on track to vote for the Greens whenever the next GE is, then.
Classic lefty cop-out when you know they'd back Labour all the time.
Or pain free choice if you live in a safe seat.
Unless I move it doesn't matter how I vote as I will always have a Labour MP - same for probably two thirds of the country.
Very true.I haved lived in a safe Conservative seat for years.It does not matter what I vote.That is FPTP for you.Would prefer parties fight for every vote , with a PR system.
The delight I experienced when the area where I lived, Castle Point, was won by Labour in 1997, after years of substantial Tory majorities was immense.
OkC never had that experience in a GE I live in York Outer , which was previously Ryedale.Safe Conservative seat.However there was a shock in a by election in 1986 as Ryedale was won by the Lib Dems.
And, like Castle Point, sadly went back to it’s ‘traditional’ party at the next time of asking.
I thought SeanT was a bit pissed last night, but he’s now on Twitter demanding that we bomb Brussels.
WTH?
Perfectly proportionate response. Tusk comments on Twitter, we nuke Warsaw. I think Sean might have had some of those £100 bottles of wine delivered early.
Also, Labour are re-admitting Ken Livingstone? Seriously? So I’m still on track to vote for the Greens whenever the next GE is, then.
Classic lefty cop-out when you know they'd back Labour all the time.
Or pain free choice if you live in a safe seat.
Unless I move it doesn't matter how I vote as I will always have a Labour MP - same for probably two thirds of the country.
Very true.I haved lived in a safe Conservative seat for years.It does not matter what I vote.That is FPTP for you.Would prefer parties fight for every vote , with a PR system.
The delight I experienced when the area where I lived, Castle Point, was won by Labour in 1997, after years of substantial Tory majorities was immense.
1997? So New Labour then. So that's actually the seat being retained by Tories, according to the cultists.
Wouldn’t, TBH, have put the winer down as a Tory. Very much old school Labour.
Nice lady, too. Very pleasant to talk to. Absolutely astounded at her win.
Even funnier, the god fearing, clean living, bondage loving family man is in fact Jewish.
I heard from someone in the 'Vegan Feminist' movement the other day saying you couldn't be a feminist if you weren't a vegan because 'animals too have been exploited by the patriarchy'.
Agreed, but that's part of what drove the leave vote, young Eastern European men making life misery for their neighbours. And was pointed out earlier, there is a correlation between leave voting areas and Eastern European immigration. .
I’d be interested to see a source for that claim. It’s possible - but given that we know the leave vote was correlated with low immigration... it seems unlikely to be a very strong correlation...
Indeed in areas with shrinking populations like Copeland or the Welsh Valleys voted Leave.
Quite a lot of urban areas, with high levels of immigration, eg the West Midlands conurbation, voted Leave.
In broad terms, Remain was strong in areas where Welsh, Scottish, and Irish nationalism is strong, centres of government, university towns and cities, and the very poshest constituencies. Leave was strong in provincial England, both prosperous and depressed, industrial towns and cities, English-speaking Wales, and Unionist Northern Ireland.
I thought SeanT was a bit pissed last night, but he’s now on Twitter demanding that we bomb Brussels.
WTH?
Perfectly proportionate response. Tusk comments on Twitter, we nuke Warsaw. I think Sean might have had some of those £100 bottles of wine delivered early.
No. He's simply said that the UK's preferred approach is 'pure illusion'. He's peripheral to the negotiation, so it's more a reflection of the power struggle between the council and commission.
Most people took it in their stride...Sean took it...less well.
I thought SeanT was a bit pissed last night, but he’s now on Twitter demanding that we bomb Brussels.
WTH?
Perfectly proportionate response. Tusk comments on Twitter, we nuke Warsaw. I think Sean might have had some of those £100 bottles of wine delivered early.
No. He's simply said that the UK's preferred approach is 'pure illusion'. He's peripheral to the negotiation, so it's more a reflection of the power struggle between the council and commission.
Most people took it in their stride...Sean took it...less well.
Yeah, I don’t see what’s so outrageous about Tusk’s comments tbh.
I thought SeanT was a bit pissed last night, but he’s now on Twitter demanding that we bomb Brussels.
WTH?
Perfectly proportionate response. Tusk comments on Twitter, we nuke Warsaw. I think Sean might have had some of those £100 bottles of wine delivered early.
I keep hearing Corbynistas reciting the mantra "change is coming", a quote from Corbyn's sinister little video this week.
But it isnt you know, because Corbyn doesn have the poll ratings to bring about that change. Labour is still at best 1 or 2 points ahead of the Tories (nowhere near Miliband's 12), and even if that came true in a general election, (doubtful), the best that it could hope for would be a minority Labour government dependent entirely on the Liberal Democrats who would veto virtually every piece of hard left legislation.
Corbyn would be the prisoner of the Yellows, until the voters, seeing through Corbyn, voted in the Tories again.
Why do you assume Corbyn would be the prisoner of the Yellows?
Was Cameron their prisoner 2010-2015? Or were they very much the junior partner who did what they were told, who convinced themselves that they were a moderating influence, while doing very little and keeping their ministerial cars?
I keep hearing Corbynistas reciting the mantra "change is coming", a quote from Corbyn's sinister little video this week.
But it isnt you know, because Corbyn doesn have the poll ratings to bring about that change. Labour is still at best 1 or 2 points ahead of the Tories (nowhere near Miliband's 12), and even if that came true in a general election, (doubtful), the best that it could hope for would be a minority Labour government dependent entirely on the Liberal Democrats who would veto virtually every piece of hard left legislation.
Corbyn would be the prisoner of the Yellows, until the voters, seeing through Corbyn, voted in the Tories again.
Why do you assume Corbyn would be the prisoner of the Yellows?
Was Cameron their prisoner 2010-2015? Or were they very much the junior partner who did what they were told, who convinced themselves that they were a moderating influence, while doing very little and keeping their ministerial cars?
I see Ben Bradley MP has issued a full retraction, an apology a substantial sum to a charity of Jezzas choice and costs to avoid legal action. Well done Jezza for standing up to lying Tories.
Political parties ca not be charities but what left wing orientated charity could Corbyn suggest for the money to go to?
I keep hearing Corbynistas reciting the mantra "change is coming", a quote from Corbyn's sinister little video this week.
But it isnt you know, because Corbyn doesn have the poll ratings to bring about that change. Labour is still at best 1 or 2 points ahead of the Tories (nowhere near Miliband's 12), and even if that came true in a general election, (doubtful), the best that it could hope for would be a minority Labour government dependent entirely on the Liberal Democrats who would veto virtually every piece of hard left legislation.
Corbyn would be the prisoner of the Yellows, until the voters, seeing through Corbyn, voted in the Tories again.
Why do you assume Corbyn would be the prisoner of the Yellows?
Was Cameron their prisoner 2010-2015? Or were they very much the junior partner who did what they were told, who convinced themselves that they were a moderating influence, while doing very little and keeping their ministerial cars?
To be fair, I seem to recall Vince Cable tended to use the Tube. I do wonder though what greater misery Cameron and Osborne would have inflicted on the less fortunate if they’d not had the LD’s restraining hand.
I keep hearing Corbynistas reciting the mantra "change is coming", a quote from Corbyn's sinister little video this week.
But it isnt you know, because Corbyn doesn have the poll ratings to bring about that change. Labour is still at best 1 or 2 points ahead of the Tories (nowhere near Miliband's 12), and even if that came true in a general election, (doubtful), the best that it could hope for would be a minority Labour government dependent entirely on the Liberal Democrats who would veto virtually every piece of hard left legislation.
Corbyn would be the prisoner of the Yellows, until the voters, seeing through Corbyn, voted in the Tories again.
Why do you assume Corbyn would be the prisoner of the Yellows?
Was Cameron their prisoner 2010-2015? Or were they very much the junior partner who did what they were told, who convinced themselves that they were a moderating influence, while doing very little and keeping their ministerial cars?
I’m not sure the LibDems will be up for making that mistake again. On the current polling numbers Corbyn would also need the SNP support too, which means that every single bill will have to have more money or autonomy for Scotland if its to pass. Anyone who thinks the current Govt is unstable should consider the alternative.
I see Ben Bradley MP has issued a full retraction, an apology a substantial sum to a charity of Jezzas choice and costs to avoid legal action. Well done Jezza for standing up to lying Tories.
Political parties ca not be charities but what left wing orientated charity could Corbyn suggest for the money to go to?
Apparently Corbyn’s chosen a homeless charity and a foodbank.
I thought SeanT was a bit pissed last night, but he’s now on Twitter demanding that we bomb Brussels.
WTH?
Perfectly proportionate response. Tusk comments on Twitter, we nuke Warsaw. I think Sean might have had some of those £100 bottles of wine delivered early.
No. He's simply said that the UK's preferred approach is 'pure illusion'. He's peripheral to the negotiation, so it's more a reflection of the power struggle between the council and commission.
Most people took it in their stride...Sean took it...less well.
Yeah, I don’t see what’s so outrageous about Tusk’s comments tbh.
It's that he's commenting in a public fashion on a process that is supposed to be very formal, very serious and there are diplomatic niceties to be observed.
We don't know exactly what is in May's speech on 2nd March. That's when she'll formally layout the UK position. That will go to the Council meeting on the 23rd. Tusk's comments are based on UK media reports, which would be fine if he were J. Random Pole. But he's not.
I see Ben Bradley MP has issued a full retraction, an apology a substantial sum to a charity of Jezzas choice and costs to avoid legal action. Well done Jezza for standing up to lying Tories.
Political parties ca not be charities but what left wing orientated charity could Corbyn suggest for the money to go to?
Also, Labour are re-admitting Ken Livingstone? Seriously? So I’m still on track to vote for the Greens whenever the next GE is, then.
Yes it is easier to abstain in reality ,in a binary choice.However for many it will be a choice between a Corbyn government or 5 more years of a conservative one.You can sit on the fence and be saintly.
It’s been a choice between a Labour and Conservative government for decades now, if you feel that I’m being ‘saintly’ for not choosing one of them then I wonder how you feel about other voters who haven’t voted for big two in previous elections. Do you feel they see themselves as ‘saintly,’ as well? I don’t have any issues with those who decide vote for Labour so I’m not quite sure why you seem to think I look down on you. Hell, I’ve spent time on here defending young people who did vote for Corbyn these last past few months.
For some reason or another several times when I’ve stated who I intend (or am considering) to vote for, there’s always some kind of issue.This was the case during the GE as well (and in that case I was thinking for voting for one of the big two, IIRC you had issue with that as well).
To be fair , I did ,not that it mattered where I live.However for those in marginals with FPTP.It really does look like a binary choice at the next GE.Obviously I would prefer a system where ever vote counts and smaller parties could get their correct representation.
I see Ben Bradley MP has issued a full retraction, an apology a substantial sum to a charity of Jezzas choice and costs to avoid legal action. Well done Jezza for standing up to lying Tories.
Political parties ca not be charities but what left wing orientated charity could Corbyn suggest for the money to go to?
Apparently Corbyn’s chosen a homeless charity and a foodbank.
I thought SeanT was a bit pissed last night, but he’s now on Twitter demanding that we bomb Brussels.
WTH?
Perfectly proportionate response. Tusk comments on Twitter, we nuke Warsaw. I think Sean might have had some of those £100 bottles of wine delivered early.
No. He's simply said that the UK's preferred approach is 'pure illusion'. He's peripheral to the negotiation, so it's more a reflection of the power struggle between the council and commission.
Most people took it in their stride...Sean took it...less well.
Yeah, I don’t see what’s so outrageous about Tusk’s comments tbh.
It's that he's commenting in a public fashion on a process that is supposed to be very formal, very serious and there are diplomatic niceties to be observed.
We don't know exactly what is in May's speech on 2nd March. That's when she'll formally layout the UK position. That will go to the Council meeting on the 23rd. Tusk's comments are based on UK media reports, which would be fine if he were J. Random Pole. But he's not.
TLDR; it's a bit rude. But meh.
It is just his response to a question from the floor after an EU27 Council meeting. Only a snowflake Brexiteer like SeanT could take offence.
Brexit is a complete mess and neither all out or all it seem likely to be the end result.
Anna Soubry, Dominic Grieve and the conservative rebels are going to die in the ditch to frustrate the process as they believe Brexit will be a complete disaster. They may well be right and I accept their right to exercise their vote to determine the process of Brexit. They have the power, unlike the Brexiteers who do not have the numbers in either the HOC or HOL.
I am in the uneasy position of agreeing with both sides but the danger for those trying to frustrate Brexit is that large numbers of ordinary voters will feel betrayed by an elite both here and in Brussels and the scars will run through our politics for a generation.
I hope that the resolution will be a sensible compromise as I am not overly worried about our own trade deals but do want control of our laws and and to stop paying Brussels billions.
As far as the spy nonsense is concerned I see 8% felt it damaged Corbyn and 6% it did not, while most people just got on with their lives. As far as the polls are concerned they are statistically static and there is no improvement in Corbyn's rating over Theresa May.
The most frustrating thing about Brexit is it's all consuming capture of the narrative while the real issues of the NHS, Social care and Higher Education are consigned to the long grass when they need urgent attention.
Has there ever been a more frustrating time in politics. The last time the Country was like this was during the miners strikes and later when the refuse was lying in the streets uncollected and the dead lay unburied.
Lets hope somewhere sense will prevail, but I am not holding my breath
It seems that there are really only three models of Brexit: Norway, Canada and WTO (neither Norway nor Canada has the CU, although I imagine it could be incorporated). A UK version of all of them I expect could be set up fairly quickly, if the will were there.
I am coming round to the idea that we should have a referendum on which Brexit to choose, where voters would rank the choices in order of preference. An AV elimination process would kick in if no one choice got >50%.
A referendum on such lines would I expect be rather less nasty and divisive than June 2016 as there would not be a binary choice but some of the options would overlap. I really cannot see the politicians getting anywhere. Soubry's latest conribution only increases the risk of no deal or Corbyn
Also, Labour are re-admitting Ken Livingstone? Seriously? So I’m still on track to vote for the Greens whenever the next GE is, then.
Yes it is easier to abstain in reality ,in a binary choice.However for many it will be a choice between a Corbyn government or 5 more years of a conservative one.You can sit on the fence and be saintly.
It’s been a choice between a Labour and Conservative government for decades now, if you feel that I’m being ‘saintly’ for not choosing one of them then I wonder how you feel about other voters who haven’t voted for big two in previous elections. Do you feel they see themselves as ‘saintly,’ as well? I don’t have any issues with those who decide vote for Labour so I’m not quite sure why you seem to think I look down on you. Hell, I’ve spent time on here defending young people who did vote for Corbyn these last past few months.
For some reason or another several times when I’ve stated who I intend (or am considering) to vote for, there’s always some kind of issue.This was the case during the GE as well (and in that case I was thinking for voting for one of the big two, IIRC you had issue with that as well).
To be fair , I did ,not that it mattered where I live.However for those in marginals with FPTP.It really does look like a binary choice at the next GE.Obviously I would prefer a system where ever vote counts and smaller parties could get their correct representation.
I thought it was more of a marginal than it was, but still semi-marginal. I have to say, the last time I saw things in terms of a binary was 2015. Ever since then I’ve just been trying to find the least worst option, tbh.
Agreed, but that's part of what drove the leave vote, young Eastern European men making life misery for their neighbours. And was pointed out earlier, there is a correlation between leave voting areas and Eastern European immigration. .
I’d be interested to see a source for that claim. It’s possible - but given that we know the leave vote was correlated with low immigration... it seems unlikely to be a very strong correlation...
' Census reveals rural town of Boston has most eastern European immigrants '
' Police say they have safety concerns about overcrowded houses in the town where one of Europe's largest sports retailers is based.
Sports Direct employs at least 3,500 agency workers at its site in Shirebrook, Derbyshire.
While filming in the town, the BBC was shown houses "carved into flats", including one with rooms partitioned down the middle of its windows.
Bolsover Council admitted it was caught off guard by the influx of workers.
The Sports Direct agency workers, largely employed in the company's warehouse, come mainly countries such as Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Latvia, Lithuania and Albania.
The council estimates 1,500 people have moved to Shirebrook - which has a population of more than 13,000 - in the last four years, with many renting rooms in houses near the company's headquarters.
Police community support officer Steve Cathcart said: "There's been an influx of Eastern Europeans and the landlords that own the houses are carving these houses up into flats. '
' BBC Inside Out reporter Kate Bradbrook travelled from Rotherham to Slovakia to meet the people desperate to move to Yorkshire, to escape grinding poverty and overcrowded conditions in their home country.
Among the terraced streets and suburban sprawl of Ferham, a suburb of Rotherham, there is a growing population of Roma Slovak migrants.
It is a similar picture in the Page Hall area of Sheffield, and in Hexthorpe just outside Doncaster.
Many adapt well to their new home, but others - according to residents -bring with them behaviours which are often unacceptable to their neighbours.
Making noise late at night as they gather "socially" on the streets after dark, and leaving piles of litter on the pavements are two common complaints. '
' Local estimates suggest that there are around 4,100 Roma people living in Rotherham which makes them the second largest minority ethnic group.
Rotherham's Roma community have migrated from Slovakia and the Czech Republic, first settling in 2004 and since 2014 Roma migrants have also come from Romania '
Also, Labour are re-admitting Ken Livingstone? Seriously? So I’m still on track to vote for the Greens whenever the next GE is, then.
Yes it is easier to abstain in reality ,in a binary choice.However for many it will be a choice between a Corbyn government or 5 more years of a conservative one.You can sit on the fence and be saintly.
It’s been a choice between a Labour and Conservative government for decades now, if you feel that I’m being ‘saintly’ for not choosing one of them then I wonder how you feel about other voters who haven’t voted for big two in previous elections. Do you feel they see themselves as ‘saintly,’ as well? I don’t have any issues with those who decide vote for Labour so I’m not quite sure why you seem to think I look down on you. Hell, I’ve spent time on here defending young people who did vote for Corbyn these last past few months.
For some reason or another several times when I’ve stated who I intend (or am considering) to vote for, there’s always some kind of issue.This was the case during the GE as well (and in that case I was thinking for voting for one of the big two, IIRC you had issue with that as well).
To be fair , I did ,not that it mattered where I live.However for those in marginals with FPTP.It really does look like a binary choice at the next GE.Obviously I would prefer a system where ever vote counts and smaller parties could get their correct representation.
I thought it was more of a marginal than it was, but still semi-marginal. I have to say, the last time I saw things in terms of a binary was 2015. Ever since then I’ve just been trying to find the least worst option, tbh.
Good news I missed earlier in the week for House Democrats:
On Monday, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court adopted a new congressional map for 2018 that's close to a best-case scenario for Democrats. The map, drawn by a court-appointed special master, doesn't just undo the gerrymander that's produced a 13-5 seat GOP edge since 2012. It goes further, actively compensating for Democrats' natural geographic disadvantage in the state. Under the new lines, Democrats have an excellent chance to win at least half the state's 18 seats.
The race was highly competitive before the court’s decision threw a wrench into it three weeks before Election Day. President Trump won PA-18 by nearly 20 percentage points in 2016, but Democrats see an opening with Conor Lamb, a veteran and former prosecutor, as their candidate against state Rep. Rick Saccone. (The seat opened up when Rep. Tim Murphy resigned amid a sex scandal.) A public poll showed Saccone with just a three-percentage-point lead last week.
Brexit is a complete mess and neither all out or all it seem likely to be the end result.
Anna Soubry, Dominic Grieve and the conservative rebels are going to die in the ditch to frustrate the process as they believe Brexit will be a complete disaster. They may well be right and I accept their right to exercise their vote to determine the process of Brexit. They have the power, unlike the Brexiteers who do not have the numbers in either the HOC or HOL.
I am in the uneasy position of agreeing with both sides but the danger for those trying to frustrate Brexit is that large numbers of ordinary voters will feel betrayed by an elite both here and in Brussels and the scars will run through our politics for a generation.
I hope that the resolution will be a sensible compromise as I am not overly worried about our own trade deals but do want control of our laws and and to stop paying Brussels billions.
As far as the spy nonsense is concerned I see 8% felt it damaged Corbyn and 6% it did not, while most people just got on with their lives. As far as the polls are concerned they are statistically static and there is no improvement in Corbyn's rating over Theresa May.
The most frustrating thing about Brexit is it's all consuming capture of the narrative while the real issues of the NHS, Social care and Higher Education are consigned to the long grass when they need urgent attention.
Has there ever been a more frustrating time in politics. The last time the Country was like this was during the miners strikes and later when the refuse was lying in the streets uncollected and the dead lay unburied.
Lets hope somewhere sense will prevail, but I am not holding my breath
It seems that there are really only three models of Brexit: Norway, Canada and WTO (neither Norway nor Canada has the CU, although I imagine it could be incorporated). A UK version of all of them I expect could be set up fairly quickly, if the will were there.
I am coming round to the idea that we should have a referendum on which Brexit to choose, where voters would rank the choices in order of preference. An AV elimination process would kick in if no one choice got >50%.
A referendum on such lines would I expect be rather less nasty and divisive than June 2016 as there would not be a binary choice but some of the options would overlap. I really cannot see the politicians getting anywhere. Soubry's latest conribution only increases the risk of no deal or Corbyn
Two things I've learned from that link: first, .global is a thing; second, Tony Blair is morphing into Patrick Troughton's Dr Who.
Also, Labour are re-admitting Ken Livingstone? Seriously? So I’m still on track to vote for the Greens whenever the next GE is, then.
Yes it is easier to abstain in reality ,in a binary choice.However for many it will be a choice between a Corbyn government or 5 more years of a conservative one.You can sit on the fence and be saintly.
It’s been a choice between a Labour and Conservative government for decades now, if you feel that I’m being ‘saintly’ for not choosing one of them then I wonder how you feel about other voters who haven’t voted for big two in previous elections. Do you feel they see themselves as ‘saintly,’ as well? I don’t have any issues with those who decide vote for Labour so I’m not quite sure why you seem to think I look down on you. Hell, I’ve spent time on here defending young people who did vote for Corbyn these last past few months.
For some reason or another several times when I’ve stated who I intend (or am considering) to vote for, there’s always some kind of issue.This was the case during the GE as well (and in that case I was thinking for voting for one of the big two, IIRC you had issue with that as well).
To be fair , I did ,not that it mattered where I live.However for those in marginals with FPTP.It really does look like a binary choice at the next GE.Obviously I would prefer a system where ever vote counts and smaller parties could get their correct representation.
I thought it was more of a marginal than it was, but still semi-marginal. I have to say, the last time I saw things in terms of a binary was 2015. Ever since then I’ve just been trying to find the least worst option, tbh.
If just 40% of the LibDems in Watford had voted Labour, then Labour would have won this seat. If you live in Watford and want to reduce the Tory majority by two, then vote Labour.
British actress Emma Chambers has died aged 53, her agent has confirmed.
Known for playing Alice Tinker in the BBC's The Vicar of Dibley, the Doncaster-born star also had roles in Notting Hill and the TV adaptation of Martin Chuzzlewit.
Chambers, who died from natural causes on Wednesday evening, would be "greatly missed", her agent John Grant said.
Also, Labour are re-admitting Ken Livingstone? Seriously? So I’m still on track to vote for the Greens whenever the next GE is, then.
Classic lefty cop-out when you know they'd back Labour all the time.
Or pain free choice if you live in a safe seat.
Unless I move it doesn't matter how I vote as I will always have a Labour MP - same for probably two thirds of the country.
Very true.I haved lived in a safe Conservative seat for years.It does not matter what I vote.That is FPTP for you.Would prefer parties fight for every vote , with a PR system.
The delight I experienced when the area where I lived, Castle Point, was won by Labour in 1997, after years of substantial Tory majorities was immense.
OkC never had that experience in a GE I live in York Outer , which was previously Ryedale.Safe Conservative seat.However there was a shock in a by election in 1986 as Ryedale was won by the Lib Dems.
Do you live anywhere near Elvington? I visit that area every so often.
How appropriate that in the last seconds of the game the pitchside video signage had an ad for Tunnocks caramels. No better symbol of that nation.
Trumpton:
There are rumours Trump's son in law is going to charged very soon. If this is so, this is getting into very close to home territory. Trump has always made it clear family & the family finances are a red line.
Wow. They really should have thrown him out for good.
Imagine the outcry if the Tories had let a racist back into their party.
Imagine if may had a long history of meeting terrorists and supporting far right oppression regimes...
The way things are the corbynite controlled labour know it will do them no harm. Wouldn’t be surprised if claims of a right wing media witch hunt caused this unfair suspension in the first place.
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She used to wear "living next to Africans" as a badge of non-racist/leaver honour.
Ultimately that’s not about race, it’s about age/demographic profile. Part of the challenge is the character of Romanian immigration is young, single men willing to live cheaply to send money home
Agreed, but that's part of what drove the leave vote, young Eastern European men making life misery for their neighbours. And was pointed out earlier, there is a correlation between leave voting areas and Eastern European immigration.
If a week of living next to some of them can switch one of the most ardent remainers I know to leave, then I absolutely see where the vote was won.
How true max.
The Eastern European family opposite my family had just moved in and blasting the music out all night.
I couldn't get any sleep so I went across and was threatened with been killed (finger across the throat) along with my cancer recovering mother,police were called.
We in Bradford have enough problems so the open door from the EU we're in my area bringing the poor ,unemployable ,alcoholic, benefits people.
I'll give you the area and you can see for yourself .
Good afternoon, everyone.
https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/967420243495870464
Even funnier, the god fearing, clean living, bondage loving family man is in fact Jewish.
For some reason or another several times when I’ve stated who I intend (or am considering) to vote for, there’s always some kind of issue.This was the case during the GE as well (and in that case I was thinking for voting for one of the big two, IIRC you had issue with that as well).
Who can forget the Tory press' unsuccessful bid to get at Ed Miliband through his dead father, claiming that he "hated Britain"? Miliband's ratings shot up for a while and Labour was 12 points ahead in the polls (a lead that Corbyn can only dream of).
I keep hearing Corbynistas reciting the mantra "change is coming", a quote from Corbyn's sinister little video this week.
But it isnt you know, because Corbyn doesn have the poll ratings to bring about that change. Labour is still at best 1 or 2 points ahead of the Tories (nowhere near Miliband's 12), and even if that came true in a general election, (doubtful), the best that it could hope for would be a minority Labour government dependent entirely on the Liberal Democrats who would veto virtually every piece of hard left legislation.
Corbyn would be the prisoner of the Yellows, until the voters, seeing through Corbyn, voted in the Tories again.
The most sensible change would be for Labour to change its leader.
Anna Soubry, Dominic Grieve and the conservative rebels are going to die in the ditch to frustrate the process as they believe Brexit will be a complete disaster. They may well be right and I accept their right to exercise their vote to determine the process of Brexit. They have the power, unlike the Brexiteers who do not have the numbers in either the HOC or HOL.
I am in the uneasy position of agreeing with both sides but the danger for those trying to frustrate Brexit is that large numbers of ordinary voters will feel betrayed by an elite both here and in Brussels and the scars will run through our politics for a generation.
I hope that the resolution will be a sensible compromise as I am not overly worried about our own trade deals but do want control of our laws and and to stop paying Brussels billions.
As far as the spy nonsense is concerned I see 8% felt it damaged Corbyn and 6% it did not, while most people just got on with their lives. As far as the polls are concerned they are statistically static and there is no improvement in Corbyn's rating over Theresa May.
The most frustrating thing about Brexit is it's all consuming capture of the narrative while the real issues of the NHS, Social care and Higher Education are consigned to the long grass when they need urgent attention.
Has there ever been a more frustrating time in politics. The last time the Country was like this was during the miners strikes and later when the refuse was lying in the streets uncollected and the dead lay unburied.
Lets hope somewhere sense will prevail, but I am not holding my breath
Is this the one?
https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/953190235948666880
(He retweeted it in the last few days).
Nice lady, too. Very pleasant to talk to. Absolutely astounded at her win.
In broad terms, Remain was strong in areas where Welsh, Scottish, and Irish nationalism is strong, centres of government, university towns and cities, and the very poshest constituencies. Leave was strong in provincial England, both prosperous and depressed, industrial towns and cities, English-speaking Wales, and Unionist Northern Ireland.
Ms. Apocalypse, I am surprised at your surprise
And here's a more recent manifesto commitment which was ignored:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJRtDPOjQ7g
Most people took it in their stride...Sean took it...less well.
Was Cameron their prisoner 2010-2015? Or were they very much the junior partner who did what they were told, who convinced themselves that they were a moderating influence, while doing very little and keeping their ministerial cars?
We don't know exactly what is in May's speech on 2nd March. That's when she'll formally layout the UK position. That will go to the Council meeting on the 23rd. Tusk's comments are based on UK media reports, which would be fine if he were J. Random Pole. But he's not.
TLDR; it's a bit rude. But meh.
https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/967118446851960837
https://institute.global/news/tony-blair-brexit-what-we-now-know
It seems that there are really only three models of Brexit: Norway, Canada and WTO (neither Norway nor Canada has the CU, although I imagine it could be incorporated). A UK version of all of them I expect could be set up fairly quickly, if the will were there.
I am coming round to the idea that we should have a referendum on which Brexit to choose, where voters would rank the choices in order of preference. An AV elimination process would kick in if no one choice got >50%.
A referendum on such lines would I expect be rather less nasty and divisive than June 2016 as there would not be a binary choice but some of the options would overlap. I really cannot see the politicians getting anywhere. Soubry's latest conribution only increases the risk of no deal or Corbyn
I thought it was more of a marginal than it was, but still semi-marginal. I have to say, the last time I saw things in terms of a binary was 2015. Ever since then I’ve just been trying to find the least worst option, tbh.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/dec/11/census-boston-eastern-european-immigration
' Police say they have safety concerns about overcrowded houses in the town where one of Europe's largest sports retailers is based.
Sports Direct employs at least 3,500 agency workers at its site in Shirebrook, Derbyshire.
While filming in the town, the BBC was shown houses "carved into flats", including one with rooms partitioned down the middle of its windows.
Bolsover Council admitted it was caught off guard by the influx of workers.
The Sports Direct agency workers, largely employed in the company's warehouse, come mainly countries such as Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Latvia, Lithuania and Albania.
The council estimates 1,500 people have moved to Shirebrook - which has a population of more than 13,000 - in the last four years, with many renting rooms in houses near the company's headquarters.
Police community support officer Steve Cathcart said: "There's been an influx of Eastern Europeans and the landlords that own the houses are carving these houses up into flats. '
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-35604776
' BBC Inside Out reporter Kate Bradbrook travelled from Rotherham to Slovakia to meet the people desperate to move to Yorkshire, to escape grinding poverty and overcrowded conditions in their home country.
Among the terraced streets and suburban sprawl of Ferham, a suburb of Rotherham, there is a growing population of Roma Slovak migrants.
It is a similar picture in the Page Hall area of Sheffield, and in Hexthorpe just outside Doncaster.
Many adapt well to their new home, but others - according to residents -bring with them behaviours which are often unacceptable to their neighbours.
Making noise late at night as they gather "socially" on the streets after dark, and leaving piles of litter on the pavements are two common complaints. '
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-29068034
' Local estimates suggest that there are around 4,100 Roma people living in Rotherham which makes them the second largest minority ethnic group.
Rotherham's Roma community have migrated from Slovakia and the Czech Republic, first settling in 2004 and since 2014 Roma migrants have also come from Romania '
http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/jsna/info/23/people/46/communities_of_interest/7
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watford_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
Historically Watford has been a slightly Labour leaning marginal.
On Monday, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court adopted a new congressional map for 2018 that's close to a best-case scenario for Democrats. The map, drawn by a court-appointed special master, doesn't just undo the gerrymander that's produced a 13-5 seat GOP edge since 2012. It goes further, actively compensating for Democrats' natural geographic disadvantage in the state. Under the new lines, Democrats have an excellent chance to win at least half the state's 18 seats.
https://www.cookpolitical.com/analysis/house/pennsylvania-house/new-pennsylvania-map-major-boost-democrats
Note that the upcoming special election in PA-18 is on the old boundaries.
Not looking entirely comfortable for the Reps there.
The race was highly competitive before the court’s decision threw a wrench into it three weeks before Election Day. President Trump won PA-18 by nearly 20 percentage points in 2016, but Democrats see an opening with Conor Lamb, a veteran and former prosecutor, as their candidate against state Rep. Rick Saccone. (The seat opened up when Rep. Tim Murphy resigned amid a sex scandal.) A public poll showed Saccone with just a three-percentage-point lead last week.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/02/22/redrawn_pa_maps_add_uncertainty_to_special_election_136338.html
1) Liverpool smashed West Ham today*
2) Spurs and the England cricket team are playing tomorrow
*I wish Mohamed Salah had scored the winner/a hat-trick, the headlines would have been West Ham were Mo-Hammered.
One try down, two to go.
British actress Emma Chambers has died aged 53, her agent has confirmed.
Known for playing Alice Tinker in the BBC's The Vicar of Dibley, the Doncaster-born star also had roles in Notting Hill and the TV adaptation of Martin Chuzzlewit.
Chambers, who died from natural causes on Wednesday evening, would be "greatly missed", her agent John Grant said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43183354
Clear penalty which he chooses to ignore.
Well done Scotland, my father will be a happy man tonight.
Trumpton:
There are rumours Trump's son in law is going to charged very soon. If this is so, this is getting into very close to home territory. Trump has always made it clear family & the family finances are a red line.
Well played Scotland. Thoroughly deserved.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/24/ken-livingstone-hitler-suspension-end-no-further-action
Imagine the outcry if the Tories had let a racist back into their party.
The way things are the corbynite controlled labour know it will do them no harm. Wouldn’t be surprised if claims of a right wing media witch hunt caused this unfair suspension in the first place.