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    Y0kel said:

    How appropriate that in the last seconds of the game the pitchside video signage had an ad for Tunnocks caramels. No better symbol of that nation.

    Trumpton:

    There are rumours Trump's son in law is going to charged very soon. If this is so, this is getting into very close to home territory. Trump has always made it clear family & the family finances are a red line.

    Perhaps but the son-in-law's own father also had issues, iirc, with foreign funding, so it might depend on which angle it takes: father or father-in-law. And of course whether it spreads to Ivanka. The Manafort charges yesterday seemed peripheral.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Y0kel said:

    Trumpton:

    There are rumours Trump's son in law is going to charged very soon. If this is so, this is getting into very close to home territory. Trump has always made it clear family & the family finances are a red line.

    https://twitter.com/eugene_scott/status/967468586997608449
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    England

    Get it Right Up ye!

    That is all...
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    Y0kel said:

    How appropriate that in the last seconds of the game the pitchside video signage had an ad for Tunnocks caramels. No better symbol of that nation.

    Trumpton:

    There are rumours Trump's son in law is going to charged very soon. If this is so, this is getting into very close to home territory. Trump has always made it clear family & the family finances are a red line.

    Perhaps but the son-in-law's own father also had issues, iirc, with foreign funding, so it might depend on which angle it takes: father or father-in-law. And of course whether it spreads to Ivanka. The Manafort charges yesterday seemed peripheral.
    The irony is that (based on the Wolff Fire and Fury book) Kushner was one of those who pressed for the dismissal of FBI Chief Comey, which led directly to the appointment of Mueller as special counsel to investigate Trumpton.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,205
    Sandpit said:

    RED ken is going to be let off the naughty step....obviously he wasn’t quite offensive enough.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/24/ken-livingstone-hitler-suspension-end-no-further-action

    Wow. They really should have thrown him out for good.

    Imagine the outcry if the Tories had let a racist back into their party.
    At the IQ debate earlier this week, George Monbiot was very clear that Livingstone should be thrown out of the Labour party. And Stella Creasy said very clearly that Labour did have a problem with anti-semitism and needed to deal with it. Sadly, these are not the sort of people who are running Labour now.

    Those who are have cynically calculated that there are no or few votes in dealing with anti- semitism, probably quite a lot of votes in being seen as critical of Jews and that they can always deflect the charge of anti-semitism, no matter how well-founded, by claiming that they are standing up for Palestinians, no matter how ludicrous such a claim may be.

    To give one example, one of the candidates to be the Labour candidate at the next GE in Amber Rudd’s constituency, tweeted that Holocaust victims “ died with dignity” and furthermore that they would be turning in their graves at what Israel does. How anyone can claim that such a remark is not anti-Semitic or that it is helpful to Palestinians beats me. But it does not apparently bother the Labour party.

    Labour’s cynicism on this is probably electorally well-conceived. But it is morally squalid. And gives the lie to its hyped up claims that it is morally better or nicer than the wicked Tories.

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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,205
    Sandpit said:

    RED ken is going to be let off the naughty step....obviously he wasn’t quite offensive enough.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/24/ken-livingstone-hitler-suspension-end-no-further-action

    Wow. They really should have thrown him out for good.

    Imagine the outcry if the Tories had let a racist back into their party.
    It’s the Oxfam-Trans Principle: we have identified ourselves as a “good” organisation so everything we do must therefore also be good or beyond criticism.

    They are a bad organisation and therefore nothing they do can ever be good or have good outcomes.

    It pretty much describes politics these days......sadly.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,760

    Oh no.

    British actress Emma Chambers has died aged 53, her agent has confirmed.

    Known for playing Alice Tinker in the BBC's The Vicar of Dibley, the Doncaster-born star also had roles in Notting Hill and the TV adaptation of Martin Chuzzlewit.

    Chambers, who died from natural causes on Wednesday evening, would be "greatly missed", her agent John Grant said.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43183354

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ8PfLIc8MI
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Cyclefree said:

    Sandpit said:

    RED ken is going to be let off the naughty step....obviously he wasn’t quite offensive enough.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/24/ken-livingstone-hitler-suspension-end-no-further-action

    Wow. They really should have thrown him out for good.

    Imagine the outcry if the Tories had let a racist back into their party.
    It’s the Oxfam-Trans Principle: we have identified ourselves as a “good” organisation so everything we do must therefore also be good or beyond criticism.

    They are a bad organisation and therefore nothing they do can ever be good or have good outcomes.

    It pretty much describes politics these days......sadly.
    It has only just occurred to me that we have been deprived of a good laugh by the Presidents' Club choice of the blameless GOSH as recipient of its offerings. If it had been Oxfam the PC could have made a case for refusing to accept the return of donations from such a sleazy and corrupt source.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,896
    Cyclefree said:

    Sandpit said:

    RED ken is going to be let off the naughty step....obviously he wasn’t quite offensive enough.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/24/ken-livingstone-hitler-suspension-end-no-further-action

    Wow. They really should have thrown him out for good.

    Imagine the outcry if the Tories had let a racist back into their party.
    It’s the Oxfam-Trans Principle: we have identified ourselves as a “good” organisation so everything we do must therefore also be good or beyond criticism.

    They are a bad organisation and therefore nothing they do can ever be good or have good outcomes.

    It pretty much describes politics these days......sadly.
    And we all know what happens when people hold certain institutions sacred or beyond criticism.

    Well done to Stella Creasy, Wes Streeting and others in Labour for having the guts to speak out about antisemitism. It’s always more difficult to see the bad things about one’s own institution.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,280

    Well played Scotland, they made England look ordinary, something that hasn't happened too often in the last few years.

    The last 20 minutes were a little hairy but where England went for the first half was a bit of a mystery. Don’t think Owen Jones will be getting many drinks in English pubs.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    edited February 2018
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Sandpit said:

    RED ken is going to be let off the naughty step....obviously he wasn’t quite offensive enough.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/24/ken-livingstone-hitler-suspension-end-no-further-action

    Wow. They really should have thrown him out for good.

    Imagine the outcry if the Tories had let a racist back into their party.
    It’s the Oxfam-Trans Principle: we have identified ourselves as a “good” organisation so everything we do must therefore also be good or beyond criticism.

    They are a bad organisation and therefore nothing they do can ever be good or have good outcomes.

    It pretty much describes politics these days......sadly.
    It has only just occurred to me that we have been deprived of a good laugh by the Presidents' Club choice of the blameless GOSH as recipient of its offerings. If it had been Oxfam the PC could have made a case for refusing to accept the return of donations from such a sleazy and corrupt source.
    There were plenty of other organisations receiving money from the PC:

    https://tinyurl.com/ya7nb8bh

    I don't think any of them have been linked to any scandals. Perhaps the PC chose its charities well. ;)
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,994
    Sandpit said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Sandpit said:

    RED ken is going to be let off the naughty step....obviously he wasn’t quite offensive enough.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/24/ken-livingstone-hitler-suspension-end-no-further-action

    Wow. They really should have thrown him out for good.

    Imagine the outcry if the Tories had let a racist back into their party.
    It’s the Oxfam-Trans Principle: we have identified ourselves as a “good” organisation so everything we do must therefore also be good or beyond criticism.

    They are a bad organisation and therefore nothing they do can ever be good or have good outcomes.

    It pretty much describes politics these days......sadly.
    And we all know what happens when people hold certain institutions sacred or beyond criticism.

    (Snip)
    Weren't you guilty of that with the Presidents Club, and your ridiculous claim that the girls who were working that night (and who were not journalists) were probably escorts who would have been glad to receive cards from the men present?
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    DavidL said:

    Well played Scotland, they made England look ordinary, something that hasn't happened too often in the last few years.

    The last 20 minutes were a little hairy but where England went for the first half was a bit of a mystery. Don’t think Owen Jones will be getting many drinks in English pubs.
    I'm enjoying the idea of Owen Jones taking to the rugby field.
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    DavidL said:

    Well played Scotland, they made England look ordinary, something that hasn't happened too often in the last few years.

    The last 20 minutes were a little hairy but where England went for the first half was a bit of a mystery. Don’t think Owen Jones will be getting many drinks in English pubs.
    I'm enjoying the idea of Owen Jones taking to the rugby field.
    I think he might struggle with the convention of no arguing with the ref!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,995

    Oh no.

    British actress Emma Chambers has died aged 53, her agent has confirmed.

    Known for playing Alice Tinker in the BBC's The Vicar of Dibley, the Doncaster-born star also had roles in Notting Hill and the TV adaptation of Martin Chuzzlewit.

    Chambers, who died from natural causes on Wednesday evening, would be "greatly missed", her agent John Grant said.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43183354

    Sad news, she was a great comic character
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,995
    Well done to Scotland, has certainly made this year's Championship more interesting
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,965

    DavidL said:

    Well played Scotland, they made England look ordinary, something that hasn't happened too often in the last few years.

    The last 20 minutes were a little hairy but where England went for the first half was a bit of a mystery. Don’t think Owen Jones will be getting many drinks in English pubs.
    I'm enjoying the idea of Owen Jones taking to the rugby field.
    Left winger for sure.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Cyclefree said:

    Sandpit said:

    RED ken is going to be let off the naughty step....obviously he wasn’t quite offensive enough.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/24/ken-livingstone-hitler-suspension-end-no-further-action

    Wow. They really should have thrown him out for good.

    Imagine the outcry if the Tories had let a racist back into their party.
    To give one example, one of the candidates to be the Labour candidate at the next GE in Amber Rudd’s constituency, tweeted that Holocaust victims “ died with dignity” and furthermore that they would be turning in their graves at what Israel does. How anyone can claim that such a remark is not anti-Semitic or that it is helpful to Palestinians beats me. But it does not apparently bother the Labour party.

    Not sure it is really anti-Semetic.

    The first (died with dignity) is idiotic and ahistorical, but not Holocaust denial.

    The second is just victim claiming (like claiming something about the Chartists or the Tolpuddle martyrs). Silly but, again, not anti-Semitic.

    (I entirely agree with your cynical thesis though)
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478

    I thought SeanT was a bit pissed last night, but he’s now on Twitter demanding that we bomb Brussels.

    It would be hard not to get personal in this, but one might imagine a competition for the silliest tweet of, say, 2018.

    How about this one:
    "I’m on the way to Jermyn Street to eat GROUSE. Life has never seemed so simultaneously dulcet and futile. We need a war. Well, I do."
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,860
    HYUFD said:

    Oh no.

    British actress Emma Chambers has died aged 53, her agent has confirmed.

    Known for playing Alice Tinker in the BBC's The Vicar of Dibley, the Doncaster-born star also had roles in Notting Hill and the TV adaptation of Martin Chuzzlewit.

    Chambers, who died from natural causes on Wednesday evening, would be "greatly missed", her agent John Grant said.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43183354

    Sad news, she was a great comic character
    She wouldn't get your subtle jokes though
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    HYUFD said:

    Oh no.

    British actress Emma Chambers has died aged 53, her agent has confirmed.

    Known for playing Alice Tinker in the BBC's The Vicar of Dibley, the Doncaster-born star also had roles in Notting Hill and the TV adaptation of Martin Chuzzlewit.

    Chambers, who died from natural causes on Wednesday evening, would be "greatly missed", her agent John Grant said.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43183354

    Sad news, she was a great comic character
    She wouldn't get your subtle jokes though
    Very few people do, my jokes are just far too damn subtle.

    Going forward my jokes are going to be less subtle and nuanced.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    I see Nigel Owens is giving another one of his anti English performances.

    The England back 3 gave an anti English performance.
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    El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 3,870
    Not seen this Ed Vaizey interview posted yet. He doesn't hold back.

    https://twitter.com/5WrightStuff/status/967324731207659520
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    DavidL said:

    Well played Scotland, they made England look ordinary, something that hasn't happened too often in the last few years.

    The last 20 minutes were a little hairy but where England went for the first half was a bit of a mystery. Don’t think Owen Jones will be getting many drinks in English pubs.
    England attack at 68 minutes that went no where settled my nerves, I knew only a set of Scotland mistakes at that point would cost us.

    Defensively we had completely sussed the England attacking patterns, suicidally blitzing to shut them down every time and in attack we simply missed pass over their ludicrously narrow defense to expose their back 3 who are not that kop in defensive situations.

    Distinct lack of plan B by England. They need to stack Hughes, Vunipola and Lawes deeper and get them running short balls off set pieces at higher pace. They took too much sideways balls.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,205
    Charles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Sandpit said:

    RED ken is going to be let off the naughty step....obviously he wasn’t quite offensive enough.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/24/ken-livingstone-hitler-suspension-end-no-further-action

    Wow. They really should have thrown him out for good.

    Imagine the outcry if the Tories had let a racist back into their party.
    To give one example, one of the candidates to be the Labour candidate at the next GE in Amber Rudd’s constituency, tweeted that Holocaust victims “ died with dignity” and furthermore that they would be turning in their graves at what Israel does. How anyone can claim that such a remark is not anti-Semitic or that it is helpful to Palestinians beats me. But it does not apparently bother the Labour party.

    Not sure it is really anti-Semetic.

    The first (died with dignity) is idiotic and ahistorical, but not Holocaust denial.

    The second is just victim claiming (like claiming something about the Chartists or the Tolpuddle martyrs). Silly but, again, not anti-Semitic.

    (I entirely agree with your cynical thesis though)
    It was a Jewish friend who described it thus and being on the soft left was utterly appalled at the party her family had supported all their lives tolerating such behaviour.

    The whole statement is not just idiotic and ahistorical but grossly offensive and intended to be so. It is not a one-off. A senior Labour figure said last autumn that he had seen lots of tweets saying stuff reminiscent of the 1930’s. The leadership just doesn’t care. Or not enough to do anything effective about it. They are quite willing to turn a blind eye to it if it will not lose them votes and get them votes elsewhere. Cynical and squalid.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Cyclefree said:

    Charles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Sandpit said:

    RED ken is going to be let off the naughty step....obviously he wasn’t quite offensive enough.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/24/ken-livingstone-hitler-suspension-end-no-further-action

    Wow. They really should have thrown him out for good.

    Imagine the outcry if the Tories had let a racist back into their party.
    To give one example, one of the candidates to be the Labour candidate at the next GE in Amber Rudd’s constituency, tweeted that Holocaust victims “ died with dignity” and furthermore that they would be turning in their graves at what Israel does. How anyone can claim that such a remark is not anti-Semitic or that it is helpful to Palestinians beats me. But it does not apparently bother the Labour party.

    Not sure it is really anti-Semetic.

    The first (died with dignity) is idiotic and ahistorical, but not Holocaust denial.

    The second is just victim claiming (like claiming something about the Chartists or the Tolpuddle martyrs). Silly but, again, not anti-Semitic.

    (I entirely agree with your cynical thesis though)
    It was a Jewish friend who described it thus and being on the soft left was utterly appalled at the party her family had supported all their lives tolerating such behaviour.

    The whole statement is not just idiotic and ahistorical but grossly offensive and intended to be so. It is not a one-off. A senior Labour figure said last autumn that he had seen lots of tweets saying stuff reminiscent of the 1930’s. The leadership just doesn’t care. Or not enough to do anything effective about it. They are quite willing to turn a blind eye to it if it will not lose them votes and get them votes elsewhere. Cynical and squalid.
    Your Jewish friend is wrong. Happy to go with grossly offensive as well for the first (after all it is making light of a terrible and shameful event in history) but that doesn’t make it anti-Semitic.

    Powerful terms like that should be overused.
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    nielhnielh Posts: 1,307
    Cyclefree said:

    Sandpit said:

    RED ken is going to be let off the naughty step....obviously he wasn’t quite offensive enough.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/24/ken-livingstone-hitler-suspension-end-no-further-action

    Wow. They really should have thrown him out for good.

    Imagine the outcry if the Tories had let a racist back into their party.
    At the IQ debate earlier this week, George Monbiot was very clear that Livingstone should be thrown out of the Labour party. And Stella Creasy said very clearly that Labour did have a problem with anti-semitism and needed to deal with it. Sadly, these are not the sort of people who are running Labour now.

    Those who are have cynically calculated that there are no or few votes in dealing with anti- semitism, probably quite a lot of votes in being seen as critical of Jews and that they can always deflect the charge of anti-semitism, no matter how well-founded, by claiming that they are standing up for Palestinians, no matter how ludicrous such a claim may be.

    To give one example, one of the candidates to be the Labour candidate at the next GE in Amber Rudd’s constituency, tweeted that Holocaust victims “ died with dignity” and furthermore that they would be turning in their graves at what Israel does. How anyone can claim that such a remark is not anti-Semitic or that it is helpful to Palestinians beats me. But it does not apparently bother the Labour party.

    Labour’s cynicism on this is probably electorally well-conceived. But it is morally squalid. And gives the lie to its hyped up claims that it is morally better or nicer than the wicked Tories.

    Fyi, the prospective labour candidate in hastings was excluded from standing by the party after the past anti semetic comments emerged. I think her name was Michelle Harris.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,994
    Off-topic:

    A stop-motion animator displays 100 different styles of walking:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEoUhlesN9E

    Mesmerising and brilliant.

    (The chair one is also good)
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    El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 3,870
    Just a fire alarm, apparently.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    JJ, fascinating.
    As walking involves a lot of one's anatomy, I think it's also very nearly unique to each of us. Certainly I can pretty well guarantee to identify from afar each approaching friend by his/her gait.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,760
    @tlg86
    tlg86 said:

    I think @viewcode (apologies if not you) might have put forward the theory that immigration would increase as Brexit approached as EU nationals sought to have the option of staying in the UK post-Brexit. But actually I doubt many would make that calculation. More likely the strength of the Euro and their home economies doing well is the driving factor.

    No, it was I. I recall the post (but don't ask me to find it :( ). The theory went like this.

    Migration isn't a one-and-done thing: migrants yo-yo between new country and old country, but the frequency of returning and the length of stay in old country diminishes as time passes. If an obstacle is scheduled for a known future time, then the ones here will go back there slower, whilst the ones there will come here faster, to defeat the slamming shut door. I assume the pace will pick up as Brexit (or the transition end date, whatever) approaches, so I'll hold off judgement for the time being. But I do recognise that theory must bow to practice, so if it turns out to be wrong, it's wrong.

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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,150
    Congratulations to Estonia on the 100th anniversary of independence (interrupted several times Soviets and Nazis).
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,760
    Cyclefree said:

    The whole statement is not just idiotic and ahistorical but grossly offensive and intended to be so. It is not a one-off. A senior Labour figure said last autumn that he had seen lots of tweets saying stuff reminiscent of the 1930’s. The leadership just doesn’t care. Or not enough to do anything effective about it. They are quite willing to turn a blind eye to it if it will not lose them votes and get them votes elsewhere. Cynical and squalid.

    I agree, but you have stated in the past that the fact that a statement is offensive is not sufficient for it to be stopped, and that the ability to make offensive speech is a corollary of a free society.

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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,994
    Toms said:

    JJ, fascinating.
    As walking involves a lot of one's anatomy, I think it's also very nearly unique to each of us. Certainly I can pretty well guarantee to identify from afar each approaching friend by his/her gait.

    I can believe that, but it can change. When my ankle was really bad, I had weekly physio on it. Part of that was to get me to walk without overly supinating. I'd leave each session walking better, but by the next I'd be back to walking on the outside of my feet, because it hurt less.

    The problem got fixed, but for many years my walking boots would wear out massively on the outside edge, and hardly at all on the inner; again, a symptom of supination. However since I've taken up running I've been to a couple of gait specialists, who both described my gait as now being near-perfect when walking and running. And my latest pair of walking boots are not wearing in the same way.

    Odd.

    At first I thought the guy in the video must be an actor; however, him being a stop-motion animator makes sense as well. He has to know intimately how to convey emotions from bodily movements.
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