"People in the survey were most likely to embrace a racially diverse neighbor in the Ud the Dominican Republic, perhaps because of its adjacency to troubled Haiti. Scandinavian countries also scored high."
It's an idiosyncrasy of the site that all the flounciest bigotfinders-general tend to take time out from berating Mr Farage to brag about their bijou little retreat in some fascist muslim-baiting hellhole on what we used to call the continent.
Farage broke Britain . He deserves a little criticism .
I think the Liberal Elite Tory and Labour should take their share of the blame myself.
Nope. This little beauty is all on the Brexiteers and their half arsed, half baked ill thought through, nostalgic ego trip.
You mean the majority.
Do you have a problem with wanting electoral accountability and write it off as a nostalgic ego trip.
Lions led by donkeys.
They may have been donkeys, but they outwitted Remain's donkeys and against all the odds.
We were promised control and more money for public services
We got chaos, division, no control and less cash.
How about you wait until we are out before telling us what we have and have not got from Brexit. Nobody said there's be "control and more money for public services" before we left. Lots of people however said there'd be an immediate recession after the vote.
We certainly aren't getting this:
"Boris Johnson: Brexit would not affect Irish border" - 29 February 2016
It doesn't take a psychoanalyst to see that the frenzy of attention devoted to Brexit reveals what Britain's apologists already know deep down: They have lost. The U.K. is not at risk of falling in the world. It has already fallen.
In 1973.
Most of us have come to terms with the fact that the Empire no longer exists. But there are worse fates than being a wealthy, liberal, democracy.
"People in the survey were most likely to embrace a racially diverse neighbor in the Ud the Dominican Republic, perhaps because of its adjacency to troubled Haiti. Scandinavian countries also scored high."
It's an idiosyncrasy of the site that all the flounciest bigotfinders-general tend to take time out from berating Mr Farage to brag about their bijou little retreat in some fascist muslim-baiting hellhole on what we used to call the continent.
Farage broke Britain . He deserves a little criticism .
I think the Liberal Elite Tory and Labour should take their share of the blame myself.
Nope. This little beauty is all on the Brexiteers and their half arsed, half baked ill thought through, nostalgic ego trip.
You mean the majority.
Do you have a problem with wanting electoral accountability and write it off as a nostalgic ego trip.
Lions led by donkeys.
They may have been donkeys, but they outwitted Remain's donkeys and against all the odds.
We were promised control and more money for public services
We got chaos, division, no control and less cash.
How about you wait until we are out before telling us what we have and have not got from Brexit. Nobody said there's be "control and more money for public services" before we left. Lots of people however said there'd be an immediate recession after the vote.
We certainly aren't getting this:
"Boris Johnson: Brexit would not affect Irish border" - 29 February 2016
It doesn't take a psychoanalyst to see that the frenzy of attention devoted to Brexit reveals what Britain's apologists already know deep down: They have lost. The U.K. is not at risk of falling in the world. It has already fallen.
In 1973.
Most of us have come to terms with the fact that the Empire no longer exists. But there are worse fates than being a wealthy, liberal, democracy.
Except that Brexit seems to be making us less wealthy, and less liberal. And the jury’s out on the democratic bit.
"People in the survey were most likely to embrace a racially diverse neighbor in the United Kingdom and its Anglo former colonies (the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) and in Latin America. The only real exceptions were oil-rich Venezuela, where income inequality sometimes breaks along racial lines, and the Dominican Republic, perhaps because of its adjacency to troubled Haiti. Scandinavian countries also scored high."
India and Islamic countries (Pakistan a surprising exception) don't look good in that survey.
France neither - it seems Hartlepool is a beacon of tolerance compared to Roger's adopted country.
It's an idiosyncrasy of the site that all the flounciest bigotfinders-general tend to take time out from berating Mr Farage to brag about their bijou little retreat in some fascist muslim-baiting hellhole on what we used to call the continent.
Farage broke Britain . He deserves a little criticism .
I think the Liberal Elite Tory and Labour should take their share of the blame myself.
Nope. This little beauty is all on the Brexiteers and their half arsed, half baked ill thought through, nostalgic ego trip.
You mean the majority.
Do you have a problem with wanting electoral accountability and write it off as a nostalgic ego trip.
Lions led by donkeys.
They may have been donkeys, but they outwitted Remain's donkeys and against all the odds.
We were promised control and more money for public services
We got chaos, division, no control and less cash.
Public finances have improved since the Brexit vote.
So has Scottish rugby . Neither are connected . We're growing slower than we might have.
We're also growing a lot faster than we might have.
And we're finally rebalancing the economy which is not something the Remain leadership ever showed any interest in.
"People in the survey were most likely to embrace a racially diverse neighbor in the Ud the Dominican Republic, perhaps because of its adjacency to troubled Haiti. Scandinavian countries also scored high."
It's an idiosyncrasy of the site that all the flounciest bigotfinders-general tend to take time out from berating Mr Farage to brag about their bijou little retreat in some fascist muslim-baiting hellhole on what we used to call the continent.
Farage broke Britain . He deserves a little criticism .
I think the Liberal Elite Tory and Labour should take their share of the blame myself.
Nope. This little beauty is all on the Brexiteers and their half arsed, half baked ill thought through, nostalgic ego trip.
You mean the majority.
Do you have a problem with wanting electoral accountability and write it off as a nostalgic ego trip.
Lions led by donkeys.
They may have been donkeys, but they outwitted Remain's donkeys and against all the odds.
We were promised control and more money for public services
We got chaos, division, no control and less cash.
We certainly aren't getting this:
"Boris Johnson: Brexit would not affect Irish border" - 29 February 2016
Well since Boris has written a paper suggesting that the Irish border will of course harden, who are we to believe?
Boris 2016? Boris 2018? Or some Brexit stooge on PB?
How about you wait and see. Unless you know the outcome of the negotiations already. If so, please enlighten me.
All forms of Brexit necessarily harden the border. The question is how hard is too hard? So actually, Boris was wrong or just plain lying in 2016. Like almost every single claim from the Brexit gang.
OT. Re the Daily Mail digging into Max Mosley's writings of the early 60's.
Does anyone think the Mail is a suitable organ to be judging anyone's racist past?
If that bothers you Channel 4 was doing exactly the same thing.
Focusing on the messenger and ignoring the message is really pretty stupid.
Max Mosley has been funding the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party.
He has been funding Impress which seeks to regulate the press in this country.
He is trying to use the data protection laws to stop people knowing these things about him, saying anything about them and indeed keeping any sort of record about him.
It is also possible that he may have lied on oath during the libel trial. Perjury is a very serious offence. It is very relevant to know if the man who is funding the organisation which seeks to regulate the press has committed such a serious offence.
Quite a lot of people and organisations in the past supported people or causes with very questionable views. For instance, the current leader of the Labour Party has appointed as a part-time advisor a man who for 40 years was a member of a party which once supported Russia's alliance with Hitler and as a result refused to fight against Hitler, while others fought to defend their country.
The obsession with Rothermere's support for appeasement while overlooking similar failings in others seems to be a deflection from ever having to engage with what they write now. It is not a paper I read. But that does not mean that like all newspapers they may not now and again do some good journalism or uncover matters which others prefer to hide.
Max Mosley is seeking to use his considerable wealth to determine what gets published in this country and what press policies the main opposition party might adopt. He is just the same as those billionaires press owners the Labour Party rant about, though their ranting is muted when the wealthy person is on their side. Scrutiny of what he has said and done is entirely proper in the circumstances.
Ignoring the possibility of perjury what is the point the Mail is trying to make? Surely not that 56 years ago Mosley might have written a racist pamphlet and therefore he's an unpleasant person? What they are doing is their stock-in-trade. A no holds barred character assassination in order to put a stop to his privacy agenda.
My point is simply that if the Mail believe Mosley's 56 year old ignoble past is fair game then so is theirs.
The Hurrah! was for Max's dad and Mussolini rather than Hitler. I would have a lot more sympathy for the 'it was all a long time ago' defence of the Mail if it wasn't happy to rake up everyone else's past when it suits them.
There were a lot of smatterings of support for Mosley in the British press at the time, but no other paper adopted him in quite such a structured form as the Mail. No one else ran a full page back cover photo of him with Our Future Leader as a caption or a beauty competition for female blackshirts for example.
On the other hand the association was fairly short lived and died off after the Olympia rally violence and it was all before the full horror of what fascism in Europe and particularly in Germany would spawn was as clear as it is with our 2020 hindsight
PG Wodehouse nailed Oswald Mosley in The Code of the Woosters (1938), where Bertie says to Roderick Spode (=Mosley)
“The trouble with you, Spode, is that just because you have succeeded in inducing a handful of half-wits to disfigure the London scene by going about in black shorts, you think you're someone. You hear them shouting "Heil, Spode!" and you imagine it is the Voice of the People. That is where you make your bloomer. What the Voice of the People is saying is: "Look at that frightful ass Spode swanking about in footer bags! Did you ever in your puff see such a perfect perisher?”
It doesn't take a psychoanalyst to see that the frenzy of attention devoted to Brexit reveals what Britain's apologists already know deep down: They have lost. The U.K. is not at risk of falling in the world. It has already fallen.
In 1973.
Most of us have come to terms with the fact that the Empire no longer exists. But there are worse fates than being a wealthy, liberal, democracy.
Except that Brexit seems to be making us less wealthy, and less liberal. And the jury’s out on the democratic bit.
"People in the survey were most likely to embrace a racially diverse neighbor in the United Kingdom and its Anglo former colonies (the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) and in Latin America. The only real exceptions were oil-rich Venezuela, where income inequality sometimes breaks along racial lines, and the Dominican Republic, perhaps because of its adjacency to troubled Haiti. Scandinavian countries also scored high."
India and Islamic countries (Pakistan a surprising exception) don't look good in that survey.
France neither - it seems Hartlepool is a beacon of tolerance compared to Roger's adopted country.
It's an idiosyncrasy of the site that all the flounciest bigotfinders-general tend to take time out from berating Mr Farage to brag about their bijou little retreat in some fascist muslim-baiting hellhole on what we used to call the continent.
Farage broke Britain . He deserves a little criticism .
I think the Liberal Elite Tory and Labour should take their share of the blame myself.
Nope. This little beauty is all on the Brexiteers and their half arsed, half baked ill thought through, nostalgic ego trip.
You mean the majority.
Do you have a problem with wanting electoral accountability and write it off as a nostalgic ego trip.
Lions led by donkeys.
They may have been donkeys, but they outwitted Remain's donkeys and against all the odds.
We were promised control and more money for public services
We got chaos, division, no control and less cash.
Public finances have improved since the Brexit vote.
So has Scottish rugby . Neither are connected . We're growing slower than we might have.
We're also growing a lot faster than we might have.
And we're finally rebalancing the economy which is not something the Remain leadership ever showed any interest in.
Rebalancing? The pound dropped significantly on the TWI, and manufacturing has shown a tiny increase.
That’s not a rebalance, it’s a shock stabiliser going into effect. Oh, and British consumers are still spending like billy-oh.
OT. Re the Daily Mail digging into Max Mosley's writings of the early 60's.
Does anyone think the Mail is a suitable organ to be judging anyone's racist past?
If that bothers you Channel 4 was doing exactly the same thing.
Focusing on the messenger and ignoring the message is really pretty stupid.
Max Mosley has been funding the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party.
He has been funding Impress which seeks to regulate the press in this country.
He is trying to use the data protection laws to stop people knowing these things about him, saying anything about them and indeed keeping any sort of record about him.
It is also possible that he may have lied on oath during the libel trial. Perjury is a very serious offence. It is very relevant to know if the man who is funding the organisation which seeks to regulate the press has committed such a serious offence.
Quite a lot of people and organisations in the past supported people or causes with very questionable views. For instance, the current leader of the Labour Party has appointed as a part-time advisor a man who for 40 years was a member of a party which once supported Russia's alliance with Hitler and as a result refused to fight against Hitler, while others fought to defend their country.
The obsession with Rothermere's support for appeasement while overlooking similar failings in others seems to be a deflection from ever having to engage with what they write now. It is not a paper I read. But that does not mean that like all newspapers they may not now and again do some good journalism or uncover matters which others prefer to hide.
Max Mosley is seeking to use his considerable wealth to determine what gets published in this country and what press policies the main opposition party might adopt. He is just the same as those billionaires press owners the Labour Party rant about, though their ranting is muted when the wealthy person is on their side. Scrutiny of what he has said and done is entirely proper in the circumstances.
Ignoring the possibility of perjury what is the point the Mail is trying to make? Surely not that 56 years ago Mosley might have written a racist pamphlet and therefore he's an unpleasant person? What they are doing is their stock-in-trade. A no holds barred character assassination in order to put a stop to his privacy agenda.
My point is simply that if the Mail believe Mosley's 56 year old ignoble past is fair game then so is theirs.
You can't ignore the possibility of perjury. It's like saying that if you ignore the possibility of perjury, Jeffery Archer was entitled to damages.
It doesn't take a psychoanalyst to see that the frenzy of attention devoted to Brexit reveals what Britain's apologists already know deep down: They have lost. The U.K. is not at risk of falling in the world. It has already fallen.
In 1973.
Most of us have come to terms with the fact that the Empire no longer exists. But there are worse fates than being a wealthy, liberal, democracy.
Except that Brexit seems to be making us less wealthy, and less liberal. And the jury’s out on the democratic bit.
Hardly.
The Bank of England has put hit an estimate on the existing hit to the economy = less wealthy. The attacks on judges, the worsening atmosphere for migrants, and the constant talk of treachery and sabotage = less liberal.
As I say, let’s see what happens on the democracy front.
India and Islamic countries (Pakistan a surprising exception) don't look good in that survey.
France neither - it seems Hartlepool is a beacon of tolerance compared to Roger's adopted country.
It's an idiosyncrasy of the site that all the flounciest bigotfinders-general tend to take time out from berating Mr Farage to brag about their bijou little retreat in some fascist muslim-baiting hellhole on what we used to call the continent.
Farage broke Britain . He deserves a little criticism .
I think the Liberal Elite Tory and Labour should take their share of the blame myself.
Nope. This little beauty is all on the Brexiteers and their half arsed, half baked ill thought through, nostalgic ego trip.
You mean the majority.
Do you have a problem with wanting electoral accountability and write it off as a nostalgic ego trip.
Lions led by donkeys.
They may have been donkeys, but they outwitted Remain's donkeys and against all the odds.
We were promised control and more money for public services
We got chaos, division, no control and less cash.
Public finances have improved since the Brexit vote.
So has Scottish rugby . Neither are connected . We're growing slower than we might have.
We're also growing a lot faster than we might have.
And we're finally rebalancing the economy which is not something the Remain leadership ever showed any interest in.
Rebalancing? The pound dropped significantly on the TWI, and manufacturing has shown a tiny increase.
That’s not a rebalance, it’s a shock stabiliser going into effect. Oh, and British consumers are still spending like billy-oh.
Manufacturing has increased by 5% in 18 months. More than it increased by in the previous 16 years.
"People in the survey were most likely to embrace a racially diverse neighbor in the United Kingdom and its Anglo former colonies (the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) and in Latin America. The only real exceptions were oil-rich Venezuela, where income inequality sometimes breaks along racial lines, and the Dominican Republic, perhaps because of its adjacency to troubled Haiti. Scandinavian countries also scored high."
India and Islamic countries (Pakistan a surprising exception) don't look good in that survey.
France neither - it seems Hartlepool is a beacon of tolerance compared to Roger's adopted country.
It's an idiosyncrasy of the site that all the flounciest bigotfinders-general tend to take time out from berating Mr Farage to brag about their bijou little retreat in some fascist muslim-baiting hellhole on what we used to call the continent.
Farage broke Britain . He deserves a little criticism .
I think the Liberal Elite Tory and Labour should take their share of the blame myself.
Nope. This little beauty is all on the Brexiteers and their half arsed, half baked ill thought through, nostalgic ego trip.
The most obvious point is the one that rarely gets raised. Most British voters were unhappy with the way the EU had developed.
Because it was imposed by a relative handful of people, working to their own patronising, paternal notion that "they know best". Why bother asking people? They didn't need to have their empty little heads troubled by such nonsense.
"People in the survey were most likely to embrace a racially diverse neighbor in the United Kingdom and its Anglo former colonies (the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) and in Latin America. The only real exceptions were oil-rich Venezuela, where income inequality sometimes breaks along racial lines, and the Dominican Republic, perhaps because of its adjacency to troubled Haiti. Scandinavian countries also scored high."
Farage broke Britain . He deserves a little criticism .
I think the Liberal Elite Tory and Labour should take their share of the blame myself.
Nope. This little beauty is all on the Brexiteers and their half arsed, half baked ill thought through, nostalgic ego trip.
You mean the majority.
Do you have a problem with wanting electoral accountability and write it off as a nostalgic ego trip.
Lions led by donkeys.
They may have been donkeys, but they outwitted Remain's donkeys and against all the odds.
We were promised control and more money for public services
We got chaos, division, no control and less cash.
Public finances have improved since the Brexit vote.
So has Scottish rugby . Neither are connected . We're growing slower than we might have.
We're also growing a lot faster than we might have.
And we're finally rebalancing the economy which is not something the Remain leadership ever showed any interest in.
Rebalancing? The pound dropped significantly on the TWI, and manufacturing has shown a tiny increase.
That’s not a rebalance, it’s a shock stabiliser going into effect. Oh, and British consumers are still spending like billy-oh.
Maplin, ToysRus, Prezzo, Jamie's Italian etc seems to suggest that consumer spending is dropping, at least on some items. Probably not before time, but may start to have a negative effect.
Farage broke Britain . He deserves a little criticism .
I think the Liberal Elite Tory and Labour should take their share of the blame myself.
Nope. This little beauty is all on the Brexiteers and their half arsed, half baked ill thought through, nostalgic ego trip.
You mean the majority.
Do you have a problem with wanting electoral accountability and write it off as a nostalgic ego trip.
Lions led by donkeys.
They may have been donkeys, but they outwitted Remain's donkeys and against all the odds.
We were promised control and more money for public services
We got chaos, division, no control and less cash.
Public finances have improved since the Brexit vote.
So has Scottish rugby . Neither are connected . We're growing slower than we might have.
We're also growing a lot faster than we might have.
And we're finally rebalancing the economy which is not something the Remain leadership ever showed any interest in.
Rebalancing? The pound dropped significantly on the TWI, and manufacturing has shown a tiny increase.
That’s not a rebalance, it’s a shock stabiliser going into effect. Oh, and British consumers are still spending like billy-oh.
Manufacturing output has increased for eight months in a row - something not bettered for over 50 years.
Productivity has also shown signs of improvement, the trade deficit has significantly reduced, house building is at its highest for over two decades and while consumers are still spending like billy-oh the rate of increase is now at more tolerable levels.
Its a start and with lots still to be done but you don't recover from two decades of Osbrowne economics in a few months, or a few years come to that.
And what would we have had from the Remain leadership ?
A continuation of more borrowing, more consumer spending, more imports, more productivity stagnation and more house prices rises.
The Hurrah! was for Max's dad and Mussolini rather than Hitler. I would have a lot more sympathy for the 'it was all a long time ago' defence of the Mail if it wasn't happy to rake up everyone else's past when it suits them.
There were a lot of smatterings of support for Mosley in the British press at the time, but no other paper adopted him in quite such a structured form as the Mail. No one else ran a full page back cover photo of him with Our Future Leader as a caption or a beauty competition for female blackshirts for example.
On the other hand the association was fairly short lived and died off after the Olympia rally violence and it was all before the full horror of what fascism in Europe and particularly in Germany would spawn was as clear as it is with our 2020 hindsight
PG Wodehouse nailed Oswald Mosley in The Code of the Woosters (1938), where Bertie says to Roderick Spode (=Mosley)
“The trouble with you, Spode, is that just because you have succeeded in inducing a handful of half-wits to disfigure the London scene by going about in black shorts, you think you're someone. You hear them shouting "Heil, Spode!" and you imagine it is the Voice of the People. That is where you make your bloomer. What the Voice of the People is saying is: "Look at that frightful ass Spode swanking about in footer bags! Did you ever in your puff see such a perfect perisher?”
Mosley was rather nastier than Spode, though.
Yes, Wodehouse didn't portray real nastiness (nor understand it, which was what got him into trouble in WW2). But I think and hope that would still have stung Mosley.
VAR is a joke - it may get some decisions right but it is causing chaos
Maybe the use of VAR should be requested by each captain? Each side to have one review each half? Waste it early - and you might blow your chances of getting an injustice overturned later in the game..... A bit of strategy coming into play.
Rebalancing? The pound dropped significantly on the TWI, and manufacturing has shown a tiny increase.
That’s not a rebalance, it’s a shock stabiliser going into effect. Oh, and British consumers are still spending like billy-oh.
Maplin, ToysRus, Prezzo, Jamie's Italian etc seems to suggest that consumer spending is dropping, at least on some items. Probably not before time, but may start to have a negative effect.
'Mediocre middle' restaurant chains are going to be hit as hard as 'mediocre middle' retail chains.
Farage broke Britain . He deserves a little criticism .
I think the Liberal Elite Tory and Labour should take their share of the blame myself.
Nope. This little beauty is all on the Brexiteers and their half arsed, half baked ill thought through, nostalgic ego trip.
You mean the majority.
Do you have a problem with wanting electoral accountability and write it off as a nostalgic ego trip.
Lions led by donkeys.
They may have been donkeys, but they outwitted Remain's donkeys and against all the odds.
We were promised control and more money for public services
We got chaos, division, no control and less cash.
Public finances have improved since the Brexit vote.
So has Scottish rugby . Neither are connected . We're growing slower than we might have.
We're also growing a lot faster than we might have.
And we're finally rebalancing the economy which is not something the Remain leadership ever showed any interest in.
Rebalancing? The pound dropped significantly on the TWI, and manufacturing has shown a tiny increase.
That’s not a rebalance, it’s a shock stabiliser going into effect. Oh, and British consumers are still spending like billy-oh.
A continuation of more borrowing, more consumer spending, more imports, more productivity stagnation and more house prices rises.
I think you are confusing Remain with Osbrownism.
I don’t know why, but perhaps it’s because your Brexit cupboard is so bare of argument you’ve moved on to complain about entirely unrelated things and are hoping no one notices.
Manufacturing increases are insignificant. The productivity rise is after 10 years of stagnation - we were long overdue some better news there - and it’s too early to tell what it means or whether it’s sustainable. Housebuilding is very welcome, and another good piece of good news is that interest rates have begun their slow climb back to normality.
What any of this has to do with Brexit, I’ve no clue. If you’re putting it all at the doorstep of a lower exchange rate, then it can only be short-term sugar-rush. Compare and contrast German and Italy economic histories...
It's an idiosyncrasy of the site that all the flounciest bigotfinders-general tend to take time out from berating Mr Farage to brag about their bijou little retreat in some fascist muslim-baiting hellhole on what we used to call the continent.
Farage broke Britain . He deserves a little criticism .
I think the Liberal Elite Tory and Labour should take their share of the blame myself.
Nope. This little beauty is all on the Brexiteers and their half arsed, half baked ill thought through, nostalgic ego trip.
You mean the majority.
Do you have a problem with wanting electoral accountability and write it off as a nostalgic ego trip.
Lions led by donkeys.
They may have been donkeys, but they outwitted Remain's donkeys and against all the odds.
We were promised control and more money for public services
We got chaos, division, no control and less cash.
Public finances have improved since the Brexit vote.
So has Scottish rugby . Neither are connected . We're growing slower than we might have.
We're also growing a lot faster than we might have.
And we're finally rebalancing the economy which is not something the Remain leadership ever showed any interest in.
Rebalancing? The pound dropped significantly on the TWI, and manufacturing has shown a tiny increase.
That’s not a rebalance, it’s a shock stabiliser going into effect. Oh, and British consumers are still spending like billy-oh.
Manufacturing has increased by 5% in 18 months. More than it increased by in the previous 16 years.
Manufacturing, as at Dec 17, is yet to reach its pre-GFC peak. The recent rise is nice, but insignificant in the larger scheme of things.
The Hurrah! was for Max's dad and Mussolini rather than Hitler. I would have a lot more sympathy for the 'it was all a long time ago' defence of the Mail if it wasn't happy to rake up everyone else's past when it suits them.
There were a lot of smatterings of support for Mosley in the British press at the time, but no other paper adopted him in quite such a structured form as the Mail. No one else ran a full page back cover photo of him with Our Future Leader as a caption or a beauty competition for female blackshirts for example.
On the other hand the association was fairly short lived and died off after the Olympia rally violence and it was all before the full horror of what fascism in Europe and particularly in Germany would spawn was as clear as it is with our 2020 hindsight
PG Wodehouse nailed Oswald Mosley in The Code of the Woosters (1938), where Bertie says to Roderick Spode (=Mosley)
“The trouble with you, Spode, is that just because you have succeeded in inducing a handful of half-wits to disfigure the London scene by going about in black shorts, you think you're someone. You hear them shouting "Heil, Spode!" and you imagine it is the Voice of the People. That is where you make your bloomer. What the Voice of the People is saying is: "Look at that frightful ass Spode swanking about in footer bags! Did you ever in your puff see such a perfect perisher?”
Mosley was rather nastier than Spode, though.
Yes, Wodehouse didn't portray real nastiness (nor understand it, which was what got him into trouble in WW2). But I think and hope that would still have stung Mosley.
You'd think so given the apparent size of his ego. I havent read Nicholas Mosleys biography which I think gets into the personal side, but my impression is that he became increasingly 'nasty' as he became increasingly bitter about his lack of success particularly post 1936 and then post internment.
Interesting how different Nicholas and Max turned out - different mothers. Max has Mitford DNA in the mix. Wonder if thats why.
VAR is a joke - it may get some decisions right but it is causing chaos
Maybe the use of VAR should be requested by each captain? Each side to have one review each half? Waste it early - and you might blow your chances of getting an injustice overturned later in the game..... A bit of strategy coming into play.
I think in tennis they each get 3 chances in the match, but if they are right they don't lose any, so it only goes down if they are wrong.
"People in the survey were most likely to embrace a racially diverse neighbor in the United Kingdom and its Anglo former colonies (the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) and in Latin America. The only real exceptions were oil-rich Venezuela, where income inequality sometimes breaks along racial lines, and the Dominican Republic, perhaps because of its adjacency to troubled Haiti. Scandinavian countries also scored high."
India and Islamic countries (Pakistan a surprising exception) don't look good in that survey.
France neither - it seems Hartlepool is a beacon of tolerance compared to Roger's adopted country.
Hang on - from that we are more tolerant than some of the EU core countries ... but, but I keep getting told we are the xenophobic ones
Seriously though, France is not a tolerant country and Pakistan is far from tolerant if you look at religious freedoms and treatment of minority religions.
spend some time in Denmark if you want to discover just how welcoming most Britons are to newcomers in comparison to fellow EU member states
Rebalancing? The pound dropped significantly on the TWI, and manufacturing has shown a tiny increase.
That’s not a rebalance, it’s a shock stabiliser going into effect. Oh, and British consumers are still spending like billy-oh.
Maplin, ToysRus, Prezzo, Jamie's Italian etc seems to suggest that consumer spending is dropping, at least on some items. Probably not before time, but may start to have a negative effect.
'Mediocre middle' restaurant chains are going to be hit as hard as 'mediocre middle' retail chains.
Probably. I have arranged my own investments away from anything reliant on UK consumer spending.
There are other signs such as car sales being down.
"People in the survey were most likely to embrace a racially diverse neighbor in the United Kingdom and its Anglo former colonies (the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) and in Latin America. The only real exceptions were oil-rich Venezuela, where income inequality sometimes breaks along racial lines, and the Dominican Republic, perhaps because of its adjacency to troubled Haiti. Scandinavian countries also scored high."
India and Islamic countries (Pakistan a surprising exception) don't look good in that survey.
France neither - it seems Hartlepool is a beacon of tolerance compared to Roger's adopted country.
Hang on - from that we are more tolerant than some of the EU core countries ... but, but I keep getting told we are the xenophobic ones
Seriously though, France is not a tolerant country and Pakistan is far from tolerant if you look at religious freedoms and treatment of minority religions.
spend some time in Denmark if you want to discover just how welcoming most Britons are to newcomers in comparison to fellow EU member states
I have a Danish friend - she is scathing about immigration into Denmark.
They may have been donkeys, but they outwitted Remain's donkeys and against all the odds.
We were promised control and more money for public services
We got chaos, division, no control and less cash.
Public finances have improved since the Brexit vote.
So has Scottish rugby . Neither are connected . We're growing slower than we might have.
We're also growing a lot faster than we might have.
And we're finally rebalancing the economy which is not something the Remain leadership ever showed any interest in.
Rebalancing? The pound dropped significantly on the TWI, and manufacturing has shown a tiny increase.
That’s not a rebalance, it’s a shock stabiliser going into effect. Oh, and British consumers are still spending like billy-oh.
A continuation of more borrowing, more consumer spending, more imports, more productivity stagnation and more house prices rises.
I think you are confusing Remain with Osbrownism.
I don’t know why, but perhaps it’s because your Brexit cupboard is so bare of argument you’ve moved on to complain about entirely unrelated things and are hoping no one notices.
Manufacturing increases are insignificant. The productivity rise is after 10 years of stagnation - we were long overdue some better news there - and it’s too early to tell what it means or whether it’s sustainable. Housebuilding is very welcome, and another good piece of good news is that interest rates have begun their slow climb back to normality.
What any of this has to do with Brexit, I’ve no clue. If you’re putting it all at the doorstep of a lower exchange rate, then it can only be short-term sugar-rush. Compare and contrast German and Italy economic histories...
So anything bad is a result of Brexit and anything good was going to happen anyway ?
LOL
And yes there is a connection between Remain and Osbrowneism, the leadership and cheerleaders were the same, and Osbrowne economics is what we would continued to have if Remain had won.
Whereas we were told what would happen if Leave had won:
Rebalancing? The pound dropped significantly on the TWI, and manufacturing has shown a tiny increase.
That’s not a rebalance, it’s a shock stabiliser going into effect. Oh, and British consumers are still spending like billy-oh.
Maplin, ToysRus, Prezzo, Jamie's Italian etc seems to suggest that consumer spending is dropping, at least on some items. Probably not before time, but may start to have a negative effect.
'Mediocre middle' restaurant chains are going to be hit as hard as 'mediocre middle' retail chains.
Probably. I have arranged my own investments away from anything reliant on UK consumer spending.
There are other signs such as car sales being down.
An "interesting" journey from Teesside to that London - including dragging my case through deep snow in a blizzard. Loving the Beast - proper weather for a change.
I couldn't give a toss about the Moseley story. Boy influenced by dad shock.
On Brexit the question is this- what falls apart first. The Good Friday Agreement? Any prospect of a viable non-catastrophic Brexit? The Tory government? As a life-long student of politics I'm not sure there is enough popcorn in the world for this.
An "interesting" journey from Teesside to that London - including dragging my case through deep snow in a blizzard. Loving the Beast - proper weather for a change.
I couldn't give a toss about the Moseley story. Boy influenced by dad shock.
On Brexit the question is this- what falls apart first. The Good Friday Agreement? Any prospect of a viable non-catastrophic Brexit? The Tory government? As a life-long student of politics I'm not sure there is enough popcorn in the world for this.
No doubt you'd have given a toss about Mosley had he been a Tory donor?
Meanwhile newer happy clappy members of the party ask "why aren't we further ahead in the polls" and "why are the Tories still popular". They don't seem to get that these are utterly bonkers times where politics rewrites the rules as we go. They seem as baffled as my student ministry group back in 2008 when I used to rock up blown away by the economic mad shit going on. They thought it was normal...
Rebalancing? The pound dropped significantly on the TWI, and manufacturing has shown a tiny increase.
That’s not a rebalance, it’s a shock stabiliser going into effect. Oh, and British consumers are still spending like billy-oh.
Maplin, ToysRus, Prezzo, Jamie's Italian etc seems to suggest that consumer spending is dropping, at least on some items. Probably not before time, but may start to have a negative effect.
'Mediocre middle' restaurant chains are going to be hit as hard as 'mediocre middle' retail chains.
Probably. I have arranged my own investments away from anything reliant on UK consumer spending.
There are other signs such as car sales being down.
Two reasons for car sales fall and they are not Brexit related. The onslaught against diesels and the coming to an end of PPI
Also Toyota's announcement today that their new car will be built in the UK and the engines on Deeside, here in Wales (despite Brexit)
Took today off as I've been working and had a nice steak frites at a local grand cafe type place; it was absolutely rammo. My Pa is just flabbergasted at consumer spending (my own included) on eating out nowadays vs even 10 years ago....
An "interesting" journey from Teesside to that London - including dragging my case through deep snow in a blizzard. Loving the Beast - proper weather for a change.
I couldn't give a toss about the Moseley story. Boy influenced by dad shock.
On Brexit the question is this- what falls apart first. The Good Friday Agreement? Any prospect of a viable non-catastrophic Brexit? The Tory government? As a life-long student of politics I'm not sure there is enough popcorn in the world for this.
No doubt you'd have given a toss about Mosley had he been a Tory donor?
If it was the Tories they'd already have worse donors that Nazi Sex Party guy
An "interesting" journey from Teesside to that London - including dragging my case through deep snow in a blizzard. Loving the Beast - proper weather for a change.
I couldn't give a toss about the Moseley story. Boy influenced by dad shock.
On Brexit the question is this- what falls apart first. The Good Friday Agreement? Any prospect of a viable non-catastrophic Brexit? The Tory government? As a life-long student of politics I'm not sure there is enough popcorn in the world for this.
Well labour have stopped taking donations from him, Tom Watson is being asked to return the £500,000 he received from him, and he has finished off Impress
An "interesting" journey from Teesside to that London - including dragging my case through deep snow in a blizzard. Loving the Beast - proper weather for a change.
I couldn't give a toss about the Moseley story. Boy influenced by dad shock.
On Brexit the question is this- what falls apart first. The Good Friday Agreement? Any prospect of a viable non-catastrophic Brexit? The Tory government? As a life-long student of politics I'm not sure there is enough popcorn in the world for this.
Well labour have stopped taking donations from him, Tom Watson is being asked to return the £500,000 he received from him, and he has finished off Impress
Like Tom Watson has 500 large in his back pocket...
An "interesting" journey from Teesside to that London - including dragging my case through deep snow in a blizzard. Loving the Beast - proper weather for a change.
I couldn't give a toss about the Moseley story. Boy influenced by dad shock.
On Brexit the question is this- what falls apart first. The Good Friday Agreement? Any prospect of a viable non-catastrophic Brexit? The Tory government? As a life-long student of politics I'm not sure there is enough popcorn in the world for this.
No doubt you'd have given a toss about Mosley had he been a Tory donor?
An "interesting" journey from Teesside to that London - including dragging my case through deep snow in a blizzard. Loving the Beast - proper weather for a change.
I couldn't give a toss about the Moseley story. Boy influenced by dad shock.
On Brexit the question is this- what falls apart first. The Good Friday Agreement? Any prospect of a viable non-catastrophic Brexit? The Tory government? As a life-long student of politics I'm not sure there is enough popcorn in the world for this.
Well labour have stopped taking donations from him, Tom Watson is being asked to return the £500,000 he received from him, and he has finished off Impress
Like Tom Watson has 500 large in his back pocket...
Meanwhile newer happy clappy members of the party ask "why aren't we further ahead in the polls" and "why are the Tories still popular". They don't seem to get that these are utterly bonkers times where politics rewrites the rules as we go. They seem as baffled as my student ministry group back in 2008 when I used to rock up blown away by the economic mad shit going on. They thought it was normal...
It is very hard to make predictions about public opinion, right now.
VAR is a joke - it may get some decisions right but it is causing chaos
Maybe the use of VAR should be requested by each captain? Each side to have one review each half? Waste it early - and you might blow your chances of getting an injustice overturned later in the game..... A bit of strategy coming into play.
I think in tennis they each get 3 chances in the match, but if they are right they don't lose any, so it only goes down if they are wrong.
Something like that. It seems to be all over the place at the moment in football.
Rebalancing? The pound dropped significantly on the TWI, and manufacturing has shown a tiny increase.
That’s not a rebalance, it’s a shock stabiliser going into effect. Oh, and British consumers are still spending like billy-oh.
Maplin, ToysRus, Prezzo, Jamie's Italian etc seems to suggest that consumer spending is dropping, at least on some items. Probably not before time, but may start to have a negative effect.
'Mediocre middle' restaurant chains are going to be hit as hard as 'mediocre middle' retail chains.
Probably. I have arranged my own investments away from anything reliant on UK consumer spending.
There are other signs such as car sales being down.
Two reasons for car sales fall and they are not Brexit related. The onslaught against diesels and the coming to an end of PPI
Also Toyota's announcement today that their new car will be built in the UK and the engines on Deeside, here in Wales (despite Brexit)
Took today off as I've been working and had a nice steak frites at a local grand cafe type place; it was absolutely rammo. My Pa is just flabbergasted at consumer spending (my own included) on eating out nowadays vs even 10 years ago....
We're a long way from a few trips a year to the Berni Inn being the height of middle class extravagance.
Now I can see the point of meals out for reasons of quality or convenience.
But coffee shops - do people really have that much money to throw away ?
For the first time in months I'm starting to think that Brexit isn't going to happen. And it's not just because almost everyone with a measurable IQ is against it but because Ireland is finally deeply involved. The Irish don't think in weeks months years or even decades. They think in centuries. And when a significant section of the population dig their heels in they stay dug in.
I hate to be the one who has to say this, but if you think "We can't leave, because it would mean a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland" is going to be an acceptable reason for cancelling Brexit to the vast majority of the 52% who voted Brexit, I want some of what you're smoking.
People voted for Brexit. "The Irish won't wear it! We're staying!" is basically a recipe for Prime Minister Farage.
Did they?
I think the last time this topic came up SeanT calmly suggested we fire a small tactical nuke in the general direction of County Kerry. While he's never one to shy away from hyperbole, I pointed out at the time that I expected the man-in-the-pub reaction to be somewhat similar.
Brexit feels to me at least in part to be a very British two-fingers-up at authority type thing and I said at the time that the government would have a hard time selling the fact that the political nuances of the border between Northern Ireland and the RoI necessitated the overruling of his vote to your average pub drinker in Hartlepool. In such a circumstance I can imagine a resurgence of the UKIP vote.
Think you mean a very English two fingers to authority, much as they currently give to Scotland, Ireland , Wales etc. However here they are dealing with 27 big boys who will punch their lights out if they give them two fingers , unfortunately England thinks they are powerful when in fact they are just nobodies.
An "interesting" journey from Teesside to that London - including dragging my case through deep snow in a blizzard. Loving the Beast - proper weather for a change.
I couldn't give a toss about the Moseley story. Boy influenced by dad shock.
On Brexit the question is this- what falls apart first. The Good Friday Agreement? Any prospect of a viable non-catastrophic Brexit? The Tory government? As a life-long student of politics I'm not sure there is enough popcorn in the world for this.
Well labour have stopped taking donations from him, Tom Watson is being asked to return the £500,000 he received from him, and he has finished off Impress
Like Tom Watson has 500 large in his back pocket...
"People in the survey were most likely to embrace a racially diverse neighbor in the United Kingdom and its Anglo former colonies (the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) and in Latin America. The only real exceptions were oil-rich Venezuela, where income inequality sometimes breaks along racial lines, and the Dominican Republic, perhaps because of its adjacency to troubled Haiti. Scandinavian countries also scored high."
India and Islamic countries (Pakistan a surprising exception) don't look good in that survey.
France neither - it seems Hartlepool is a beacon of tolerance compared to Roger's adopted country.
It's an idiosyncrasy of the site that all the flounciest bigotfinders-general tend to take time out from berating Mr Farage to brag about their bijou little retreat in some fascist muslim-baiting hellhole on what we used to call the continent.
Farage broke Britain . He deserves a little criticism .
I think the Liberal Elite Tory and Labour should take their share of the blame myself.
Nope. This little beauty is all on the Brexiteers and their half arsed, half baked ill thought through, nostalgic ego trip.
You mean the majority.
Do you have a problem with wanting electoral accountability and write it off as a nostalgic ego trip.
Lions led by donkeys.
They may have been donkeys, but they outwitted Remain's donkeys and against all the odds.
We were promised control and more money for public services
We got chaos, division, no control and less cash.
Also we got even worse donkeys than previously, if that was humanly possible.
Rebalancing? The pound dropped significantly on the TWI, and manufacturing has shown a tiny increase.
That’s not a rebalance, it’s a shock stabiliser going into effect. Oh, and British consumers are still spending like billy-oh.
Maplin, ToysRus, Prezzo, Jamie's Italian etc seems to suggest that consumer spending is dropping, at least on some items. Probably not before time, but may start to have a negative effect.
'Mediocre middle' restaurant chains are going to be hit as hard as 'mediocre middle' retail chains.
Probably. I have arranged my own investments away from anything reliant on UK consumer spending.
There are other signs such as car sales being down.
Two reasons for car sales fall and they are not Brexit related. The onslaught against diesels and the coming to an end of PPI
Also Toyota's announcement today that their new car will be built in the UK and the engines on Deeside, here in Wales (despite Brexit)
Took today off as I've been working and had a nice steak frites at a local grand cafe type place; it was absolutely rammo. My Pa is just flabbergasted at consumer spending (my own included) on eating out nowadays vs even 10 years ago....
We're a long way from a few trips a year to the Berni Inn being the height of middle class extravagance.
Now I can see the point of meals out for reasons of quality or convenience.
But coffee shops - do people really have that much money to throw away ?
Indeed - I like good coffee, but each coffee in a shop is pretty much the same price as an entire bag of decent coffee/beans. Spose it's taken the place of the pub in society.
Jacob Rees Mogg now trying a character assassination of John Major. Tories can't resist eating their own feet.
At last the anti Brexit movement is starting to bite
18 months too late, if it is.
The Brexiteers have to survive another year... They did the political equivalent of running a 4 minute mile at the start of a marathon and have somehow staggered to the half way point but still have a 13 mile death march to go.
Nah. Brexit is happening. It will be shite that everyone objects to for different reasons, but it will happen.
It will be hard and it will be nasty. Trouble ahead.
Rebalancing? The pound dropped significantly on the TWI, and manufacturing has shown a tiny increase.
That’s not a rebalance, it’s a shock stabiliser going into effect. Oh, and British consumers are still spending like billy-oh.
Maplin, ToysRus, Prezzo, Jamie's Italian etc seems to suggest that consumer spending is dropping, at least on some items. Probably not before time, but may start to have a negative effect.
'Mediocre middle' restaurant chains are going to be hit as hard as 'mediocre middle' retail chains.
Probably. I have arranged my own investments away from anything reliant on UK consumer spending.
There are other signs such as car sales being down.
Two reasons for car sales fall and they are not Brexit related. The onslaught against diesels and the coming to an end of PPI
Also Toyota's announcement today that their new car will be built in the UK and the engines on Deeside, here in Wales (despite Brexit)
Took today off as I've been working and had a nice steak frites at a local grand cafe type place; it was absolutely rammo. My Pa is just flabbergasted at consumer spending (my own included) on eating out nowadays vs even 10 years ago....
We're a long way from a few trips a year to the Berni Inn being the height of middle class extravagance.
Now I can see the point of meals out for reasons of quality or convenience.
But coffee shops - do people really have that much money to throw away ?
That's a blast from the past. I thought Berni Inns were fantastic, back in the day.
"People in the survey were most likely to embrace a racially diverse neighbor in the United Kingdom and its Anglo former colonies (the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) and in Latin America. The only real exceptions were oil-rich Venezuela, where income inequality sometimes breaks along racial lines, and the Dominican Republic, perhaps because of its adjacency to troubled Haiti. Scandinavian countries also scored high."
India and Islamic countries (Pakistan a surprising exception) don't look good in that survey.
France neither - it seems Hartlepool is a beacon of tolerance compared to Roger's adopted country.
It's an idiosyncrasy of the site that all the flounciest bigotfinders-general tend to take time out from berating Mr Farage to brag about their bijou little retreat in some fascist muslim-baiting hellhole on what we used to call the continent.
Farage broke Britain . He deserves a little criticism .
I think the Liberal Elite Tory and Labour should take their share of the blame myself.
Nope. This little beauty is all on the Brexiteers and their half arsed, half baked ill thought through, nostalgic ego trip.
You mean the majority.
Do you have a problem with wanting electoral accountability and write it off as a nostalgic ego trip.
Lions led by donkeys.
They may have been donkeys, but they outwitted Remain's donkeys and against all the odds.
We were promised control and more money for public services
We got chaos, division, no control and less cash.
Also we got even worse donkeys than previously, if that was humanly possible.
Evening Malc - what is it like in Gods own Country tonight. It is a wind chill of minus 20 here in Llandudno. Have you got a red alert. Keep safe
Rebalancing? The pound dropped significantly on the TWI, and manufacturing has shown a tiny increase.
That’s not a rebalance, it’s a shock stabiliser going into effect. Oh, and British consumers are still spending like billy-oh.
Maplin, ToysRus, Prezzo, Jamie's Italian etc seems to suggest that consumer spending is dropping, at least on some items. Probably not before time, but may start to have a negative effect.
'Mediocre middle' restaurant chains are going to be hit as hard as 'mediocre middle' retail chains.
Probably. I have arranged my own investments away from anything reliant on UK consumer spending.
There are other signs such as car sales being down.
Two reasons for car sales fall and they are not Brexit related. The onslaught against diesels and the coming to an end of PPI
Also Toyota's announcement today that their new car will be built in the UK and the engines on Deeside, here in Wales (despite Brexit)
Took today off as I've been working and had a nice steak frites at a local grand cafe type place; it was absolutely rammo. My Pa is just flabbergasted at consumer spending (my own included) on eating out nowadays vs even 10 years ago....
We're a long way from a few trips a year to the Berni Inn being the height of middle class extravagance.
Now I can see the point of meals out for reasons of quality or convenience.
But coffee shops - do people really have that much money to throw away ?
Indeed - I like good coffee, but each coffee in a shop is pretty much the same price as an entire bag of decent coffee/beans. Spose it's taken the place of the pub in society.
Handy when travelling, mind.
You can't get pissed in a coffee shop or watch sport while doing so.
"People in the survey were most likely to embrace a racially diverse neighbor in the United Kingdom and its Anglo former colonies (the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) and in Latin America. The only real exceptions were oil-rich Venezuela, where income inequality sometimes breaks along racial lines, and the Dominican Republic, perhaps because of its adjacency to troubled Haiti. Scandinavian countries also scored high."
India and Islamic countries (Pakistan a surprising exception) don't look good in that survey.
France neither - it seems Hartlepool is a beacon of tolerance compared to Roger's adopted country.
It's an idiosyncrasy of the site that all the flounciest bigotfinders-general tend to take time out from berating Mr Farage to brag about their bijou little retreat in some fascist muslim-baiting hellhole on what we used to call the continent.
Farage broke Britain . He deserves a little criticism .
I think the Liberal Elite Tory and Labour should take their share of the blame myself.
Nope. This little beauty is all on the Brexiteers and their half arsed, half baked ill thought through, nostalgic ego trip.
You mean the majority.
Do you have a problem with wanting electoral accountability and write it off as a nostalgic ego trip.
Lions led by donkeys.
They may have been donkeys, but they outwitted Remain's donkeys and against all the odds.
We were promised control and more money for public services
We got chaos, division, no control and less cash.
Also we got even worse donkeys than previously, if that was humanly possible.
Evening Malc - what is it like in Gods own Country tonight. It is a wind chill of minus 20 here in Llandudno. Have you got a red alert. Keep safe
Cripes. My uncle is up the Orme. Hope he has a decent bottle of whisky to keep warm!
An "interesting" journey from Teesside to that London - including dragging my case through deep snow in a blizzard. Loving the Beast - proper weather for a change.
I couldn't give a toss about the Moseley story. Boy influenced by dad shock.
On Brexit the question is this- what falls apart first. The Good Friday Agreement? Any prospect of a viable non-catastrophic Brexit? The Tory government? As a life-long student of politics I'm not sure there is enough popcorn in the world for this.
"People in the survey were most likely to embrace a racially diverse neighbor in the United Kingdom and its Anglo former colonies (the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) and in Latin America. The only real exceptions were oil-rich Venezuela, where income inequality sometimes breaks along racial lines, and the Dominican Republic, perhaps because of its adjacency to troubled Haiti. Scandinavian countries also scored high."
India and Islamic countries (Pakistan a surprising exception) don't look good in that survey.
France neither - it seems Hartlepool is a beacon of tolerance compared to Roger's adopted country.
It's an idiosyncrasy of the site that all the flounciest bigotfinders-general tend to take time out from berating Mr Farage to brag about their bijou little retreat in some fascist muslim-baiting hellhole on what we used to call the continent.
Farage broke Britain . He deserves a little criticism .
I think the Liberal Elite Tory and Labour should take their share of the blame myself.
Nope. This little beauty is all on the Brexiteers and their half arsed, half baked ill thought through, nostalgic ego trip.
You mean the majority.
Do you have a problem with wanting electoral accountability and write it off as a nostalgic ego trip.
Lions led by donkeys.
They may have been donkeys, but they outwitted Remain's donkeys and against all the odds.
We were promised control and more money for public services
We got chaos, division, no control and less cash.
Also we got even worse donkeys than previously, if that was humanly possible.
Evening Malc - what is it like in Gods own Country tonight. It is a wind chill of minus 20 here in Llandudno. Have you got a red alert. Keep safe
Cripes. My uncle is up the Orme. Hope he has a decent bottle of whisky to keep warm!
They gave the forecast for the summit of Everest tonight at minus 28 and 80 mph gales - sorry I meant Snowdon
Rebalancing? The pound dropped significantly on the TWI, and manufacturing has shown a tiny increase.
That’s not a rebalance, it’s a shock stabiliser going into effect. Oh, and British consumers are still spending like billy-oh.
Maplin, ToysRus, Prezzo, Jamie's Italian etc seems to suggest that consumer spending is dropping, at least on some items. Probably not before time, but may start to have a negative effect.
'Mediocre middle' restaurant chains are going to be hit as hard as 'mediocre middle' retail chains.
Probably. I have arranged my own investments away from anything reliant on UK consumer spending.
There are other signs such as car sales being down.
Two reasons for car sales fall and they are not Brexit related. The onslaught against diesels and the coming to an end of PPI
Also Toyota's announcement today that their new car will be built in the UK and the engines on Deeside, here in Wales (despite Brexit)
Took today off as I've been working and had a nice steak frites at a local grand cafe type place; it was absolutely rammo. My Pa is just flabbergasted at consumer spending (my own included) on eating out nowadays vs even 10 years ago....
We're a long way from a few trips a year to the Berni Inn being the height of middle class extravagance.
Now I can see the point of meals out for reasons of quality or convenience.
But coffee shops - do people really have that much money to throw away ?
That's a blast from the past. I thought Berni Inns were fantastic, back in the day.
I can't remember a bad meal at a Berni - I think their MO was to get good quality ingredients and cook them simply.
"People in the survey were most likely to embrace a racially diverse neighbor in the United Kingdom and its Anglo former colonies (the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) and in Latin America. The only real exceptions were oil-rich Venezuela, where income inequality sometimes breaks along racial lines, and the Dominican Republic, perhaps because of its adjacency to troubled Haiti. Scandinavian countries also scored high."
India and Islamic countries (Pakistan a surprising exception) don't look good in that survey.
France neither - it seems Hartlepool is a beacon of tolerance compared to Roger's adopted country.
It's an idiosyncrasy of the site that all the flounciest bigotfinders-general tend to take time out from berating Mr Farage to brag about their bijou little retreat in some fascist muslim-baiting hellhole on what we used to call the continent.
Farage broke Britain . He deserves a little criticism .
I think the Liberal Elite Tory and Labour should take their share of the blame myself.
Nope. This little beauty is all on the Brexiteers and their half arsed, half baked ill thought through, nostalgic ego trip.
You mean the majority.
Do you have a problem with wanting electoral accountability and write it off as a nostalgic ego trip.
Lions led by donkeys.
They may have been donkeys, but they outwitted Remain's donkeys and against all the odds.
We were promised control and more money for public services
We got chaos, division, no control and less cash.
Also we got even worse donkeys than previously, if that was humanly possible.
Evening Malc - what is it like in Gods own Country tonight. It is a wind chill of minus 20 here in Llandudno. Have you got a red alert. Keep safe
Hello Big G , I am in Czech Republic this week where very cold , -8 to -11 but no snow. My wife advises it is desperate in Ayrshire , lots of snow.
Under Major - we made futile attempts to stay in the ERM, which cost millions of people their homes, jobs and plenty of Tory MPs their seats in 1997. - we opted out of the Single Currency, and thus forfeited our place in the cockpit of Europe which might have made membership tolerable.
What a mediocrity that man is. To think he was prime minister of this country for 7 years.
Rebalancing? The pound dropped significantly on the TWI, and manufacturing has shown a tiny increase.
That’s not a rebalance, it’s a shock stabiliser going into effect. Oh, and British consumers are still spending like billy-oh.
Maplin, ToysRus, Prezzo, Jamie's Italian etc seems to suggest that consumer spending is dropping, at least on some items. Probably not before time, but may start to have a negative effect.
'Mediocre middle' restaurant chains are going to be hit as hard as 'mediocre middle' retail chains.
Probably. I have arranged my own investments away from anything reliant on UK consumer spending.
There are other signs such as car sales being down.
Two reasons for car sales fall and they are not Brexit related. The onslaught against diesels and the coming to an end of PPI
Also Toyota's announcement today that their new car will be built in the UK and the engines on Deeside, here in Wales (despite Brexit)
Took today off as I've been working and had a nice steak frites at a local grand cafe type place; it was absolutely rammo. My Pa is just flabbergasted at consumer spending (my own included) on eating out nowadays vs even 10 years ago....
We're a long way from a few trips a year to the Berni Inn being the height of middle class extravagance.
Now I can see the point of meals out for reasons of quality or convenience.
But coffee shops - do people really have that much money to throw away ?
That's a blast from the past. I thought Berni Inns were fantastic, back in the day.
I can't remember a bad meal at a Berni - I think their MO was to get good quality ingredients and cook them simply.
Excellent steaks , I remember them well when visiting London.
Sir John Major. A Tory I respect. Disagreed with many policies. Remember one exciting afternoon lealeafleting when someone said "Major has resigned" - his brilliant "time to put up or shut up" gambit.
Of course we should listen to him. Unlike current Tories/ConKIP members he isn't absolutely batshit crazy
May's stance going down well on BBC Have your say.
I would expect her to receive a boost for standing upto Barnier. The EU have made their first big mistake
So has Starmer in, er, "co-operating" with them.
As I understand it, all Barnier has produced a draft proposal based on what May agreed to last December (apparently).
So the Prime Minister is now rejecting her own agreement (supposedly). Of course, she has to stand in the Commons and play the pantomime role of standing up to the "nasty" Europeans, not least for the benefit of her backbenchers, the DUP and the Daily Mail.
The truth as always is May acting up for her short-term political gain and not caring a jot for the country as a whole. If Paris wasn't worth a mass, will Belfast ? Would the entire A50 deal be compromised just to save the political neck of Arlene Foster ?
John Major's contribution probably less "explosive" than made out - the MPs were always going to have a vote on the A50 treaty, As to the "free" nature of the vote, we'll finally see how many Conservatives are more about loyalty than principle.
Evening Malc - what is it like in Gods own Country tonight. It is a wind chill of minus 20 here in Llandudno. Have you got a red alert. Keep safe
Hello Big G , I am in Czech Republic this week where very cold , -8 to -11 but no snow. My wife advises it is desperate in Ayrshire , lots of snow.
The central belt has only the second ever red alert so hope the good people of Ayrshire keep inside, warm and safe. The whole of Wales is due a huge snow bomb, gales and ice rain over the next two days with recommendation that all Welsh Schools are closed for the next two days.
Just another elite remainer who is only talking to remainers - no one else is listening
Remainers are only talking to and listening to Remainers. Leavers are only talking to and listening to Leavers... We're now getting to crisis point beyond where each side thinks the other side is wrong and we're hurtling towards a dangerous situation where each side thinks the views held by the other side are totally insane. I haven't got a clue how this can be resolved.
Evening Malc - what is it like in Gods own Country tonight. It is a wind chill of minus 20 here in Llandudno. Have you got a red alert. Keep safe
Hello Big G , I am in Czech Republic this week where very cold , -8 to -11 but no snow. My wife advises it is desperate in Ayrshire , lots of snow.
The central belt has only the second ever red alert so hope the good people of Ayrshire keep inside, warm and safe. The whole of Wales is due a huge snow bomb, gales and ice rain over the next two days with recommendation that all Welsh Schools are closed for the next two days.
Considering how poor Welsh schools are (along with the local NHS thanks to more than 20 years of Labour rule) perhaps that’s not so bad.
Just another elite remainer who is only talking to remainers - no one else is listening
Remainers are only talking to and listening to Remainers. Leavers are only talking to and listening to Leavers... We're now getting to crisis point beyond where each side thinks the other side is wrong and we're hurtling towards a dangerous situation where each side thinks the views held by the other side are totally insane. I haven't got a clue how this can be resolved.
WTO Brexit is the default. Always a likely possibility.
Under Major - we made futile attempts to stay in the ERM, which cost millions of people their homes, jobs and plenty of Tory MPs their seats in 1997. - we opted out of the Single Currency, and thus forfeited our place in the cockpit of Europe which might have made membership tolerable.
What a mediocrity that man is. To think he was prime minister of this country for 7 years.
I’m glad I don’t remember it.
Major's contradictory and self-defeating postuing with the EU was perhaps best illustrated when he vetoed Dehaene as Commission President and then meekly accepted Santer instead.
It was a perfect illustration of how to annoy European leaders while failing to impress anyone in the UK.
Ignoring the possibility of perjury what is the point the Mail is trying to make? Surely not that 56 years ago Mosley might have written a racist pamphlet and therefore he's an unpleasant person? What they are doing is their stock-in-trade. A no holds barred character assassination in order to put a stop to his privacy agenda.
My point is simply that if the Mail believe Mosley's 56 year old ignoble past is fair game then so is theirs.
But you can't ignore the possibility of perjury. The only reason he is posing as a campaigner for privacy is because of his libel win. His claim in that case was based on his good character. If in fact his character was not good, if he only got that libel win through perjury his whole shtick falls. His character is not being assassinated by the Mail. It is being brought into question by his own actions and sayings (assuming that what is being alleged is true). The Mail is bringing them to light.
Sure they have an agenda. But so does Mosley. And it is only right to scrutinise how he got to be this privacy campaigner and whether in posing as the white knight to clean up the press he has clean hands himself.
It is not the Mail which is seeking to prevent others from pointing out what a long dead owner did 80 years ago. Or asking that the historical record be wiped clean. It is Mosley. What he is doing is effectively trying to control what others say about him, in effect to enshrine the concept of Fake News. Because if we can't, as a matter of historical factual record, refer to the libel case or to his funding of Impress, then Fake News is being put out about him.
Regardless of whether it is the Mail doing this or some local newspaper or Channel 4 or some blog somewhere, this is a very worrying development. Mosley is a rich man seeking to control the world around him to suit him. He should not be a hero to anyone, even if he is being attacked by the Mail.
WTO Brexit is the default. Always a likely possibility.
I was thinking more in terms of wondering how on earth the country can ever heal than in terms of what kind of Brexit we get - the former worries me more than the latter.
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Boris 2016?
Boris 2018?
Or some Brexit stooge on PB?
As I remember he thinks Paris is an overpriced, overpretentious craphole.
But craphole, no. In the sub zero sunshine, it’s as stunning as ever.
And mercifully free of Brexiting wank.
And we're finally rebalancing the economy which is not something the Remain leadership ever showed any interest in.
So actually, Boris was wrong or just plain lying in 2016. Like almost every single claim from the Brexit gang.
My point is simply that if the Mail believe Mosley's 56 year old ignoble past is fair game then so is theirs.
That’s not a rebalance, it’s a shock stabiliser going into effect. Oh, and British consumers are still spending like billy-oh.
As I say, let’s see what happens on the democracy front.
The other aspect is if you're ruling that goal out then a lot of goals are going to get chalked off by VAR.
Productivity has also shown signs of improvement, the trade deficit has significantly reduced, house building is at its highest for over two decades and while consumers are still spending like billy-oh the rate of increase is now at more tolerable levels.
Its a start and with lots still to be done but you don't recover from two decades of Osbrowne economics in a few months, or a few years come to that.
And what would we have had from the Remain leadership ?
A continuation of more borrowing, more consumer spending, more imports, more productivity stagnation and more house prices rises.
Disparaging the Good Friday Agreement threatens the UK
Peace in Northern Ireland has been hard won. It cannot be taken for granted
https://www.ft.com/content/fff0fbf4-1add-11e8-a748-5da7d696ccab
I don’t know why, but perhaps it’s because your Brexit cupboard is so bare of argument you’ve moved on to complain about entirely unrelated things and are hoping no one notices.
Manufacturing increases are insignificant. The productivity rise is after 10 years of stagnation - we were long overdue some better news there - and it’s too early to tell what it means or whether it’s sustainable. Housebuilding is very welcome, and another good piece of good news is that interest rates have begun their slow climb back to normality.
What any of this has to do with Brexit, I’ve no clue. If you’re putting it all at the doorstep of a lower exchange rate, then it can only be short-term sugar-rush. Compare and contrast German and Italy economic histories...
Interesting how different Nicholas and Max turned out - different mothers. Max has Mitford DNA in the mix. Wonder if thats why.
I think in tennis they each get 3 chances in the match, but if they are right they don't lose any, so it only goes down if they are wrong.
There are other signs such as car sales being down.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42571828
She lives in the UK btw :-)
LOL
And yes there is a connection between Remain and Osbrowneism, the leadership and cheerleaders were the same, and Osbrowne economics is what we would continued to have if Remain had won.
Whereas we were told what would happen if Leave had won:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/22/david-cameron-and-george-osborne-brexit-would-put-our-economy-in/
No mention there of any need to rebalance the economy but they get very fearful at the propect that house prices might not rise as quickly.
Also Toyota's announcement today that their new car will be built in the UK and the engines on Deeside, here in Wales (despite Brexit)
I couldn't give a toss about the Moseley story. Boy influenced by dad shock.
On Brexit the question is this- what falls apart first. The Good Friday Agreement? Any prospect of a viable non-catastrophic Brexit? The Tory government? As a life-long student of politics I'm not sure there is enough popcorn in the world for this.
Sure there's a long way to go but I'll take the last 18 months over the 15 years of manufacturing depression which proceeded it.
Now I can see the point of meals out for reasons of quality or convenience.
But coffee shops - do people really have that much money to throw away ?
But Max Mosley might get the wrong idea.
Handy when travelling, mind.
Strong and stable...
Awesome!
- we made futile attempts to stay in the ERM, which cost millions of people their homes, jobs and plenty of Tory MPs their seats in 1997.
- we opted out of the Single Currency, and thus forfeited our place in the cockpit of Europe which might have made membership tolerable.
What a mediocrity that man is. To think he was prime minister of this country for 7 years.
I’m glad I don’t remember it.
Of course we should listen to him. Unlike current Tories/ConKIP members he isn't absolutely batshit crazy
Oh sorry, forgot, you were told at the time weren’t you.
So the Prime Minister is now rejecting her own agreement (supposedly). Of course, she has to stand in the Commons and play the pantomime role of standing up to the "nasty" Europeans, not least for the benefit of her backbenchers, the DUP and the Daily Mail.
The truth as always is May acting up for her short-term political gain and not caring a jot for the country as a whole. If Paris wasn't worth a mass, will Belfast ? Would the entire A50 deal be compromised just to save the political neck of Arlene Foster ?
John Major's contribution probably less "explosive" than made out - the MPs were always going to have a vote on the A50 treaty, As to the "free" nature of the vote, we'll finally see how many Conservatives are more about loyalty than principle.
Evening Malc - what is it like in Gods own Country tonight. It is a wind chill of minus 20 here in Llandudno. Have you got a red alert. Keep safe
Hello Big G , I am in Czech Republic this week where very cold , -8 to -11 but no snow. My wife advises it is desperate in Ayrshire , lots of snow.
The central belt has only the second ever red alert so hope the good people of Ayrshire keep inside, warm and safe. The whole of Wales is due a huge snow bomb, gales and ice rain over the next two days with recommendation that all Welsh Schools are closed for the next two days.
Hello Big G , I am in Czech Republic this week where very cold , -8 to -11 but no snow. My wife advises it is desperate in Ayrshire , lots of snow.
The central belt has only the second ever red alert so hope the good people of Ayrshire keep inside, warm and safe. The whole of Wales is due a huge snow bomb, gales and ice rain over the next two days with recommendation that all Welsh Schools are closed for the next two days.
Considering how poor Welsh schools are (along with the local NHS thanks to more than 20 years of Labour rule) perhaps that’s not so bad.
It’s already priced in. Have another go.
It was a perfect illustration of how to annoy European leaders while failing to impress anyone in the UK.
Sure they have an agenda. But so does Mosley. And it is only right to scrutinise how he got to be this privacy campaigner and whether in posing as the white knight to clean up the press he has clean hands himself.
It is not the Mail which is seeking to prevent others from pointing out what a long dead owner did 80 years ago. Or asking that the historical record be wiped clean. It is Mosley. What he is doing is effectively trying to control what others say about him, in effect to enshrine the concept of Fake News. Because if we can't, as a matter of historical factual record, refer to the libel case or to his funding of Impress, then Fake News is being put out about him.
Regardless of whether it is the Mail doing this or some local newspaper or Channel 4 or some blog somewhere, this is a very worrying development. Mosley is a rich man seeking to control the world around him to suit him. He should not be a hero to anyone, even if he is being attacked by the Mail.