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Ladbrokes report a surge in bets over recent days on TMay being replaced as PM this year and make it evens that she won’t survive. There’s 4/1 on offer that a General Election is called this year, or it’s a 9/4 chance the next one happens in 2019.

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  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 9,875
    First, like Mrs May
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 65,729
    I wonder if this is the week Boris finally flounces.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 43,189
    I'm green if she leaves in the first half. If she lasts that long, I think she'll make 2019.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 41,640
    Better than expected local election results and the requirement to get a Brexit deal done by the end of October should see her last out the year
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 28,325
    edited March 1
    Long grass....how can it be taking this long, it was all on the record. There are SFO investigations that have taken less time than this!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/01/labour-extends-ken-livingstones-suspension-over-antisemitism-claims
  • glwglw Posts: 4,236
    FPT:

    glw said:

    TGOHF said:

    Floater said:
    A tax on those that use self service checkouts ? Genius.
    More "thinking" along the same lines as Corbyn's robot tax. Never mind the 1970s, they will be taking us back to the early 19th century.
    the manifesto had it that it would be a legal requirement to have a “driver” on the docklands light rail. I personally think we need to bring lift attendents back, I don’t think the public can be trusted to press the correct buttons.
    Corbyn's young fans will be in for a hell of shock if he is ever PM.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 6,241
    Minus 10th, like the wind chill.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 28,325
    glw said:

    FPT:

    glw said:

    TGOHF said:

    Floater said:
    A tax on those that use self service checkouts ? Genius.
    More "thinking" along the same lines as Corbyn's robot tax. Never mind the 1970s, they will be taking us back to the early 19th century.
    the manifesto had it that it would be a legal requirement to have a “driver” on the docklands light rail. I personally think we need to bring lift attendents back, I don’t think the public can be trusted to press the correct buttons.
    Corbyn's young fans will be in for a hell of shock if he is ever PM.
    It won't just be Uber that is gone. With his anti-tech / anti ZHC / high tax, there going to be a lot of businesses that millennials love which won't have a profitable business model.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 43,189
    Mr. Rentool, luxury.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 36,517
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  • FloaterFloater Posts: 5,620

    Long grass....how can it be taking this long, it was all on the record. There are SFO investigations that have taken less time than this!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/01/labour-extends-ken-livingstones-suspension-over-antisemitism-claims

    Indefinite suspension I thought?
  • tysontyson Posts: 4,399
    Following the discussion from the last thread, as people grow older their lives become smaller, and is complimented by fear of life...change, personal decay, losing capital. And that is what underpins the inexorable shift to right wing philosophies with age more than anything else.

    Right wing politics has nothing positive at all to say about anything. It preys on fear and thrives on negativity. That is why something like immigration is a gift that just keeps on giving to the right.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 41,640

    glw said:

    FPT:

    glw said:

    TGOHF said:

    Floater said:
    A tax on those that use self service checkouts ? Genius.
    More "thinking" along the same lines as Corbyn's robot tax. Never mind the 1970s, they will be taking us back to the early 19th century.
    the manifesto had it that it would be a legal requirement to have a “driver” on the docklands light rail. I personally think we need to bring lift attendents back, I don’t think the public can be trusted to press the correct buttons.
    Corbyn's young fans will be in for a hell of shock if he is ever PM.
    It won't just be Uber that is gone. With his anti-tech / anti ZHC / high tax, there going to be a lot of businesses that millennials love which won't have a profitable business model.
    A Corbyn government will be great for manhole cover manufacturers though!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 41,640
    edited March 1
    tyson said:

    Following the discussion from the last thread, as people grow older their lives become smaller, and is complimented by fear of life...change, personal decay, losing capital. And that is what underpins the inexorable shift to right wing philosophies with age more than anything else.

    Right wing politics has nothing positive at all to say about anything. It preys on fear and thrives on negativity. That is why something like immigration is a gift that just keeps on giving to the right.

    Tradition, patriotism, family, opportunity, wealth creation, security, law and order, self reliance and responsibility.

    9 positive right wing values in less than 30 seconds
  • tysontyson Posts: 4,399

    I wonder if this is the week Boris finally flounces.

    Doesn’t he flounce every other day, but like Trump is well protected by a populist right wing press.

  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 1,767
    glw said:

    FPT:

    glw said:

    TGOHF said:

    Floater said:
    A tax on those that use self service checkouts ? Genius.
    More "thinking" along the same lines as Corbyn's robot tax. Never mind the 1970s, they will be taking us back to the early 19th century.
    the manifesto had it that it would be a legal requirement to have a “driver” on the docklands light rail. I personally think we need to bring lift attendents back, I don’t think the public can be trusted to press the correct buttons.
    Corbyn's young fans will be in for a hell of shock if he is ever PM.
    Is this another one to file under

    "well ... quite"
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 28,325
    edited March 1
    Deliveroo is one business I don't get. It seems a very expensive way to get a takeaway from a crap chain restaurant, but then I wasn't effected by the KFC closures nor care if Nando runs out of chicken / Jamie Italian chain goes bust (other than obviously people losing work).
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 5,620
    tyson said:

    Following the discussion from the last thread, as people grow older their lives become smaller, and is complimented by fear of life...change, personal decay, losing capital. And that is what underpins the inexorable shift to right wing philosophies with age more than anything else.

    Right wing politics has nothing positive at all to say about anything. It preys on fear and thrives on negativity. That is why something like immigration is a gift that just keeps on giving to the right.

    oh Tyson

    Which party had a politician that set out to "scare the white man" to win re-election?

    Some of the most racist people I have ever known thought themselves as "progressives" and would never have voted tory in their life.

    I don't see a need to get into the anti semitism on the left and the failure of Labour to get to grips with it
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 5,620
    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    Following the discussion from the last thread, as people grow older their lives become smaller, and is complimented by fear of life...change, personal decay, losing capital. And that is what underpins the inexorable shift to right wing philosophies with age more than anything else.

    Right wing politics has nothing positive at all to say about anything. It preys on fear and thrives on negativity. That is why something like immigration is a gift that just keeps on giving to the right.

    Tradition, patriotism, family, opportunity, wealth creation, security, law and order, self reliance and responsibility.

    9 positive right wing values in less than 30 seconds
    Hate - a left wing value
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 1,767

    Deliveroo is one business I don't get. It seems a very expensive way to get a takeaway from a crap chain restaurant, but then I wasn't effected by the KFC closures nor care if Nando runs out of chicken.

    Near me the pubs have taken to letting people order food as take out. We've at least five properly good pubs, great food and lovely old school pub buildings.

    My advice - go to the pub instead.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,453
    edited March 1

    glw said:

    FPT:

    glw said:

    TGOHF said:

    Floater said:
    A tax on those that use self service checkouts ? Genius.
    More "thinking" along the same lines as Corbyn's robot tax. Never mind the 1970s, they will be taking us back to the early 19th century.
    the manifesto had it that it would be a legal requirement to have a “driver” on the docklands light rail. I personally think we need to bring lift attendents back, I don’t think the public can be trusted to press the correct buttons.
    Corbyn's young fans will be in for a hell of shock if he is ever PM.
    It won't just be Uber that is gone. With his anti-tech / anti ZHC / high tax, there going to be a lot of businesses that millennials love which won't have a profitable business model.

    If Corbyn actually got to be PM, and actually started implementing this stuff, the brain drain would be epic.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 41,640
    Floater said:

    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    Following the discussion from the last thread, as people grow older their lives become smaller, and is complimented by fear of life...change, personal decay, losing capital. And that is what underpins the inexorable shift to right wing philosophies with age more than anything else.

    Right wing politics has nothing positive at all to say about anything. It preys on fear and thrives on negativity. That is why something like immigration is a gift that just keeps on giving to the right.

    Tradition, patriotism, family, opportunity, wealth creation, security, law and order, self reliance and responsibility.

    9 positive right wing values in less than 30 seconds
    Hate - a left wing value
    Plus chippyness
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 3,245
    Floater said:

    Long grass....how can it be taking this long, it was all on the record. There are SFO investigations that have taken less time than this!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/01/labour-extends-ken-livingstones-suspension-over-antisemitism-claims

    Indefinite suspension I thought?
    Yes so it says. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ken-livingstone-suspended-indefinitely-labour-12109023
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 28,325
    edited March 1

    glw said:

    FPT:

    glw said:

    TGOHF said:

    Floater said:
    A tax on those that use self service checkouts ? Genius.
    More "thinking" along the same lines as Corbyn's robot tax. Never mind the 1970s, they will be taking us back to the early 19th century.
    the manifesto had it that it would be a legal requirement to have a “driver” on the docklands light rail. I personally think we need to bring lift attendents back, I don’t think the public can be trusted to press the correct buttons.
    Corbyn's young fans will be in for a hell of shock if he is ever PM.
    It won't just be Uber that is gone. With his anti-tech / anti ZHC / high tax, there going to be a lot of businesses that millennials love which won't have a profitable business model.

    If Corbyn actually go to be PM, and actually started implementing this stuff, the brain drain would be epic.

    His total lack of understanding of business is scary as hell. His crush the city to help the genuine economy reteroic was absolutely bonkers. How am I suppose to gain funding for a new startup if he does that?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 5,488
    tyson said:

    Following the discussion from the last thread, as people grow older their lives become smaller, and is complimented by fear of life...change, personal decay, losing capital. And that is what underpins the inexorable shift to right wing philosophies with age more than anything else.

    Right wing politics has nothing positive at all to say about anything. It preys on fear and thrives on negativity. That is why something like immigration is a gift that just keeps on giving to the right.

    Complemented by fear of death, do you mean?

    And what bollocks. The part of the right which thrives on immigration is so fringe it's virtually invisible in the UK and I am sick to death of sneery, purse proud snobs with highly advertised presences in genuinely racist shitholes like France, Italy and Hungary sniping at this country and ignoring what goes on in their own because they are, just like the Kippers with their villas in Spain, Englishmen abroad making a really interesting lifestyle statement, insulated by their UK passports and sterling Visa cards from taking any interest in what "the locals" get up to.

    No offence.
  • tysontyson Posts: 4,399
    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    Following the discussion from the last thread, as people grow older their lives become smaller, and is complimented by fear of life...change, personal decay, losing capital. And that is what underpins the inexorable shift to right wing philosophies with age more than anything else.

    Right wing politics has nothing positive at all to say about anything. It preys on fear and thrives on negativity. That is why something like immigration is a gift that just keeps on giving to the right.

    oh Tyson

    Which party had a politician that set out to "scare the white man" to win re-election?

    Some of the most racist people I have ever known thought themselves as "progressives" and would never have voted tory in their life.

    I don't see a need to get into the anti semitism on the left and the failure of Labour to get to grips with it
    Brexit won on immigration. Trump won on immigration. Italy 2018...that’s all they talk about, and why the country is lurching to the right next week.

    Immigration is a gift horse to right wing populists.

  • glwglw Posts: 4,236

    Deliveroo is one business I don't get. It seems a very expensive way to get a takeaway from a crap chain restaurant, but then I wasn't effected by the KFC closures nor care if Nando runs out of chicken / Jamie Italian chain goes bust (other than obviously people losing work).

    KFC being closed has got to be a net good for the nation.
  • glwglw Posts: 4,236

    His total lack of understanding of business is scary as hell. His crush the city to help the genuine economy reteroic was absolutely bonkers. How am I suppose to gain funding for a new startup if he does that?

    It's merely the next step in Miliband's good business/bad business nonsense.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 24,392
    I've just stuck a wodge on her lasting to Jan 2020 or later (only 22 months away).

    Silly odds.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 28,325
    glw said:

    His total lack of understanding of business is scary as hell. His crush the city to help the genuine economy reteroic was absolutely bonkers. How am I suppose to gain funding for a new startup if he does that?

    It's merely the next step in Miliband's good business/bad business nonsense.
    Milibands thumb on the scale stuff was based on a now debunked book, it was nonsense but I didn't really believe with Eddie spheroids as chancellor we would see that much. Instead we have a self confessed marxist as potential chancellor.
  • tysontyson Posts: 4,399
    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    Following the discussion from the last thread, as people grow older their lives become smaller, and is complimented by fear of life...change, personal decay, losing capital. And that is what underpins the inexorable shift to right wing philosophies with age more than anything else.

    Right wing politics has nothing positive at all to say about anything. It preys on fear and thrives on negativity. That is why something like immigration is a gift that just keeps on giving to the right.

    Tradition, patriotism, family, opportunity, wealth creation, security, law and order, self reliance and responsibility.

    9 positive right wing values in less than 30 seconds
    The right uses pretty much all those values in a highly destructive way....tradition, patriotism, family...can all be easily conflated with racism. Security and law and order..enough said. Self reliance, responsibility and wealth creation.....all are generally used devisively to attack people who rely on welfare.

    Opportunity.......possibly I’ll give you that, Thatcher had an intuitive understanding of using the concept of opportunity to lure traditional Labour types....

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 24,392
    tyson said:

    Following the discussion from the last thread, as people grow older their lives become smaller, and is complimented by fear of life...change, personal decay, losing capital. And that is what underpins the inexorable shift to right wing philosophies with age more than anything else.

    Right wing politics has nothing positive at all to say about anything. It preys on fear and thrives on negativity. That is why something like immigration is a gift that just keeps on giving to the right.

    And yet, for someone who identifies very strongly with the Left, you seemed consumed by darkness yourself, whilst most right-wing posters of your age on here are filled with joie de vivre.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 22,135
    edited March 1
    Updated ElectoralCalculus average. Tories close the gap to 0.2%:

    Con 297
    Lab 279
    LD 14
    SNP 37

    Lab 40.7%
    Con 40.5%

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 43,189
    Mr. Urquhart, the People's Bank will offer you a modest loan, funded by the 80% income tax rate on the capitalist pigdog segment of society.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 17,799
    edited March 1
    tyson said:

    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    Following the discussion from the last thread, as people grow older their lives become smaller, and is complimented by fear of life...change, personal decay, losing capital. And that is what underpins the inexorable shift to right wing philosophies with age more than anything else.

    Right wing politics has nothing positive at all to say about anything. It preys on fear and thrives on negativity. That is why something like immigration is a gift that just keeps on giving to the right.

    oh Tyson

    Which party had a politician that set out to "scare the white man" to win re-election?

    Some of the most racist people I have ever known thought themselves as "progressives" and would never have voted tory in their life.

    I don't see a need to get into the anti semitism on the left and the failure of Labour to get to grips with it
    Brexit won on immigration. Trump won on immigration. Italy 2018...that’s all they talk about, and why the country is lurching to the right next week.

    Immigration is a gift horse to right wing populists.

    And yet, the Left can't help themselves opening all the borders to "rub the Right's nose in diversity" - and then losing elections. There's surely a simple answer here.....
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 9,875
    tyson said:

    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    Following the discussion from the last thread, as people grow older their lives become smaller, and is complimented by fear of life...change, personal decay, losing capital. And that is what underpins the inexorable shift to right wing philosophies with age more than anything else.

    Right wing politics has nothing positive at all to say about anything. It preys on fear and thrives on negativity. That is why something like immigration is a gift that just keeps on giving to the right.

    Tradition, patriotism, family, opportunity, wealth creation, security, law and order, self reliance and responsibility.

    9 positive right wing values in less than 30 seconds
    The right uses pretty much all those values in a highly destructive way....tradition, patriotism, family...can all be easily conflated with racism. Security and law and order..enough said. Self reliance, responsibility and wealth creation.....all are generally used devisively to attack people who rely on welfare.

    Opportunity.......possibly I’ll give you that, Thatcher had an intuitive understanding of using the concept of opportunity to lure traditional Labour types....

    What a load of guff.

    Though, I suppose at least you've conceded that socialism doesn't promise any sort of opportunity.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 28,325

    Mr. Urquhart, the People's Bank will offer you a modest loan, funded by the 80% income tax rate on the capitalist pigdog segment of society.

    And I should be eternally grateful for this....
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 8,252

    Deliveroo is one business I don't get. It seems a very expensive way to get a takeaway from a crap chain restaurant, but then I wasn't effected by the KFC closures nor care if Nando runs out of chicken / Jamie Italian chain goes bust (other than obviously people losing work).

    When I get fish and chips on a Sunday, I walk one and a half miles to the shop, then either walk or get a minicab back. Deliveroo would save me the walk there and cost me the same as the cab back. Whether there is enough demand to sustain them and their various rivals is open to doubt but I can see the attraction. I'd use them myself but walking to the fish and chip shop is the only exercise I get.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 4,513
    Is somebody going to speak up for Max Mosely?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 2,645

    tyson said:

    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    Following the discussion from the last thread, as people grow older their lives become smaller, and is complimented by fear of life...change, personal decay, losing capital. And that is what underpins the inexorable shift to right wing philosophies with age more than anything else.

    Right wing politics has nothing positive at all to say about anything. It preys on fear and thrives on negativity. That is why something like immigration is a gift that just keeps on giving to the right.

    oh Tyson

    Which party had a politician that set out to "scare the white man" to win re-election?

    Some of the most racist people I have ever known thought themselves as "progressives" and would never have voted tory in their life.

    I don't see a need to get into the anti semitism on the left and the failure of Labour to get to grips with it
    Brexit won on immigration. Trump won on immigration. Italy 2018...that’s all they talk about, and why the country is lurching to the right next week.

    Immigration is a gift horse to right wing populists.

    And yet, the left can't help themselves opening all the borders to "rub the Right's nose in diversity" - and then losing elections. There's surely a simple answer here.....
    205 000 non EU migrants to the UK last year suggests right wing governments are notngood at controlling it either. Merkel is Centre Right too...
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 13,280
    Ishmael_Z said:

    tyson said:

    Following the discussion from the last thread, as people grow older their lives become smaller, and is complimented by fear of life...change, personal decay, losing capital. And that is what underpins the inexorable shift to right wing philosophies with age more than anything else.

    Right wing politics has nothing positive at all to say about anything. It preys on fear and thrives on negativity. That is why something like immigration is a gift that just keeps on giving to the right.

    Complemented by fear of death, do you mean?

    And what bollocks. The part of the right which thrives on immigration is so fringe it's virtually invisible in the UK and I am sick to death of sneery, purse proud snobs with highly advertised presences in genuinely racist shitholes like France, Italy and Hungary sniping at this country and ignoring what goes on in their own because they are, just like the Kippers with their villas in Spain, Englishmen abroad making a really interesting lifestyle statement, insulated by their UK passports and sterling Visa cards from taking any interest in what "the locals" get up to.

    No offence.
    Good point. Like a non-trivial number of PB Brexiters.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 17,799

    Is somebody going to speak up for Max Mosely?

    Well, you ran a hagiography of Lord Rennard yesterday....ball in your court, OGH.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 28,325
    edited March 1

    Deliveroo is one business I don't get. It seems a very expensive way to get a takeaway from a crap chain restaurant, but then I wasn't effected by the KFC closures nor care if Nando runs out of chicken / Jamie Italian chain goes bust (other than obviously people losing work).

    When I get fish and chips on a Sunday, I walk one and a half miles to the shop, then either walk or get a minicab back. Deliveroo would save me the walk there and cost me the same as the cab back. Whether there is enough demand to sustain them and their various rivals is open to doubt but I can see the attraction. I'd use them myself but walking to the fish and chip shop is the only exercise I get.
    My understanding though is deliveroo isn't for random takeways, justEat is the system that connects those to the customer. Deliveroo business model is about getting food from chain restaurants, that don't do takeaway, to consumers at home.

    I don't really get this. If I want a good takeaway there are plenty of options and vice versa for restaurants, but then I dont really see what is so attractive of the likes of about nandos.

    But then I also don't get Snapchat, fornite or fidget spinners...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 22,135
    edited March 1
    Foxy said:

    tyson said:

    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    Following the discussion from the last thread, as people grow older their lives become smaller, and is complimented by fear of life...change, personal decay, losing capital. And that is what underpins the inexorable shift to right wing philosophies with age more than anything else.

    Right wing politics has nothing positive at all to say about anything. It preys on fear and thrives on negativity. That is why something like immigration is a gift that just keeps on giving to the right.

    oh Tyson

    Which party had a politician that set out to "scare the white man" to win re-election?

    Some of the most racist people I have ever known thought themselves as "progressives" and would never have voted tory in their life.

    I don't see a need to get into the anti semitism on the left and the failure of Labour to get to grips with it
    Brexit won on immigration. Trump won on immigration. Italy 2018...that’s all they talk about, and why the country is lurching to the right next week.

    Immigration is a gift horse to right wing populists.

    And yet, the left can't help themselves opening all the borders to "rub the Right's nose in diversity" - and then losing elections. There's surely a simple answer here.....
    205 000 non EU migrants to the UK last year suggests right wing governments are notngood at controlling it either. Merkel is Centre Right too...
    They're all useless at it, yes. Personally I don't mind open borders but most people don't like them.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 21,490

    Is somebody going to speak up for Max Mosely?

    No. I think the Mail have sunk him.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 9,875
    edited March 1

    Deliveroo is one business I don't get. It seems a very expensive way to get a takeaway from a crap chain restaurant, but then I wasn't effected by the KFC closures nor care if Nando runs out of chicken / Jamie Italian chain goes bust (other than obviously people losing work).

    When I get fish and chips on a Sunday, I walk one and a half miles to the shop, then either walk or get a minicab back. Deliveroo would save me the walk there and cost me the same as the cab back. Whether there is enough demand to sustain them and their various rivals is open to doubt but I can see the attraction. I'd use them myself but walking to the fish and chip shop is the only exercise I get.
    My understanding though is deliveroo isn't for random takeways, justEat is the system that connects those to the customer. Deliveroo business model is about getting food from chain restaurants, that don't do takeaway, to consumers at home.
    Deliveroo around these parts is the only way to get something that isn't Indian/Chinese/Thai/Pizza etc delivered. I sometimes get the local posh chippy deliverooed, or a spaghetti vongole from a nice indy Italian place.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 28,325

    Is somebody going to speak up for Max Mosely?

    Paging Tom Watson....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 28,325
    Mortimer said:

    Deliveroo is one business I don't get. It seems a very expensive way to get a takeaway from a crap chain restaurant, but then I wasn't effected by the KFC closures nor care if Nando runs out of chicken / Jamie Italian chain goes bust (other than obviously people losing work).

    When I get fish and chips on a Sunday, I walk one and a half miles to the shop, then either walk or get a minicab back. Deliveroo would save me the walk there and cost me the same as the cab back. Whether there is enough demand to sustain them and their various rivals is open to doubt but I can see the attraction. I'd use them myself but walking to the fish and chip shop is the only exercise I get.
    My understanding though is deliveroo isn't for random takeways, justEat is the system that connects those to the customer. Deliveroo business model is about getting food from chain restaurants, that don't do takeaway, to consumers at home.
    Deliveroo around these parts is the only way to get something that isn't Indian/Chinese/Thai/Pizza etc delivered. I sometimes get the local posh chippy deliverooed, or a spaghetti vongole from a nice indy Italian place.
    You better prepare for a lot more walking to the chippy / Italian when jezza becomes PM....
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 11,267

    Is somebody going to speak up for Max Mosely?

    He was, apparently, effective in Formula One management.
    And he was 21 or 22 when he put his name to that leaflet, published on behalf of his father.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 10,466
    "no" to "vote of no confidence" at 8/11 looks like easy money. Like Mike I think she's a stayer (not the same as saying she's actually good at being PM, but full marks for steady determination to hang on).

    There's a good fairly short summary of the implications of a hard(ish) Itrish border for exports of farm animals and some wider implications here - interesting that the port of Dublin is already preparing:

    https://uktradeforum.net/2018/03/01/brexit-and-animal-welfare-threats-and-opportunities/

    - the forum is a spinoff from an animal welfare group - they're non-partisan and neutral on Brexit. We hope to end UK live exports with an exception for Irish border trade - there is a cross-party agreement that it'd be a good idea, and Gove is currently considering options. Irish live exports, however, are big busibess, so care is needed to avoid evasion.

  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 9,875

    Mortimer said:

    Deliveroo is one business I don't get. It seems a very expensive way to get a takeaway from a crap chain restaurant, but then I wasn't effected by the KFC closures nor care if Nando runs out of chicken / Jamie Italian chain goes bust (other than obviously people losing work).

    When I get fish and chips on a Sunday, I walk one and a half miles to the shop, then either walk or get a minicab back. Deliveroo would save me the walk there and cost me the same as the cab back. Whether there is enough demand to sustain them and their various rivals is open to doubt but I can see the attraction. I'd use them myself but walking to the fish and chip shop is the only exercise I get.
    My understanding though is deliveroo isn't for random takeways, justEat is the system that connects those to the customer. Deliveroo business model is about getting food from chain restaurants, that don't do takeaway, to consumers at home.
    Deliveroo around these parts is the only way to get something that isn't Indian/Chinese/Thai/Pizza etc delivered. I sometimes get the local posh chippy deliverooed, or a spaghetti vongole from a nice indy Italian place.
    You better prepare for a lot more walking to the chippy / Italian when jezza becomes PM....
    Cripes.

    In London, also, some wine shops are on deliveroo. Very handy when we were Air BnBing in Dulwich.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 19,974

    Is somebody going to speak up for Max Mosely?

    Sure. His reaction to the Imola tragedies in 1994 have undoubtedly save more lives in F1, as did he and Bernie getting Prof Watkins is as F1 medical officer. (Though I also slightly blame Moseley for the Imola deaths, given the sudden rule changes probably contributed to the crashes).

    But over the current story? Nah. ;)
  • tysontyson Posts: 4,399

    tyson said:

    Following the discussion from the last thread, as people grow older their lives become smaller, and is complimented by fear of life...change, personal decay, losing capital. And that is what underpins the inexorable shift to right wing philosophies with age more than anything else.

    Right wing politics has nothing positive at all to say about anything. It preys on fear and thrives on negativity. That is why something like immigration is a gift that just keeps on giving to the right.

    And yet, for someone who identifies very strongly with the Left, you seemed consumed by darkness yourself, whilst most right-wing posters of your age on here are filled with joie de vivre.
    Mate, I get pretty tired with your personal comments. I’d rather you not please make any personal references about me. Please stick to the point that I make rather than making assumptions about my lifestyle or wot not. Ditto Ishmael above.

    I don’t mind robust debate like Floater.....you can call me a dickhead if you want, but I really do not care for people making personal assumptions about me. And if I have ever posted anything on this site that has given the impression that I am happy to engage in personal debate, I really didn’t mean that.



  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 8,584

    Is somebody going to speak up for Max Mosely?

    Sure. His reaction to the Imola tragedies in 1994 have undoubtedly save more lives in F1, as did he and Bernie getting Prof Watkins is as F1 medical officer. (Though I also slightly blame Moseley for the Imola deaths, given the sudden rule changes probably contributed to the crashes).

    But over the current story? Nah. ;)
    I reckon Ron Dennis is chuckling at Mosely's demise.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 22,135
    O/T

    Interesting:

    "When I first came to Japan in 1990, I was astonished that the Statute of Limitations for murder was fifteen years in this country. That meant that if the police didn’t arrest a murderer within that time, it would be impossible to charge him with the crime…even if he publicly confessed."

    https://tokyo5.wordpress.com/tag/statute-of-limitations/
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 5,620

    Is somebody going to speak up for Max Mosely?

    Paging Tom Watson....
    Tom has apparently already done that - unlike the rest of Labour that have dropped himelike a hot potato
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 1,513
    Jeremy Corbyn wants Britain to ‘stay in a customs union’, according to the BBC . . . but . . . (we) cannot ‘stay’ in ‘a’ customs union, because that would require us to join something which does not at present exist.
    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/jeremy-corbyns-custom-union-fantasy/
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 5,620
    tyson said:

    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    Following the discussion from the last thread, as people grow older their lives become smaller, and is complimented by fear of life...change, personal decay, losing capital. And that is what underpins the inexorable shift to right wing philosophies with age more than anything else.

    Right wing politics has nothing positive at all to say about anything. It preys on fear and thrives on negativity. That is why something like immigration is a gift that just keeps on giving to the right.

    oh Tyson

    Which party had a politician that set out to "scare the white man" to win re-election?

    Some of the most racist people I have ever known thought themselves as "progressives" and would never have voted tory in their life.

    I don't see a need to get into the anti semitism on the left and the failure of Labour to get to grips with it
    Brexit won on immigration. Trump won on immigration. Italy 2018...that’s all they talk about, and why the country is lurching to the right next week.

    Immigration is a gift horse to right wing populists.

    We are a tolerant country Tyson - more so than some of our European neighbours , but even so you can have too much of a good thing.

    I know you have ties to Italy so should be aware of what is going on over there.

    It is hardly surprising that immigration is an issue in Italy - there have been high profile shocking sex attacks involving immigrants - including the Brindisi one I referenced the other day - and the ongoing crisis in the Med re economic migration.

    I see you ignore my examples of left wing views on immigration.

    It is hardly to the lefts credit that it tried to shut down debate on large scale immigration by screaming racist

    Another thing about the left, distension from their view not acceptable and control, control, control the order of the day.
  • rawzerrawzer Posts: 85
    Scott_P said:

    Devotees of the television series Dr Who will be familiar with the sonic screwdriver — a pocket sized piece of technology that has helped the eponymous hero out of any number of tight spots.

    Initially the sonic screwdriver was used mainly to pick locks, but over time it acquired new and remarkable uses. Later Doctors deployed it to hack into computers, disable enemy weaponry and even to destroy a Dalek. No matter how devilish their situation seemed, the sonic screwdriver offered an all-purpose get out of jail free card for scriptwriters.

    I do not know if Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and other leading Brexiters are big fans of Dr Who, but there is much evidence of sonic screwdriver strategy in their thinking. Their mystical faith is most obvious in discussions about the Irish border.



    https://www.ft.com/content/2b5894ac-1d2f-11e8-aaca-4574d7dabfb6

    Boris might prefer you to use deus ex machina rather than your fancy modern analogy ;)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 14,804
    geoffw said:

    Jeremy Corbyn wants Britain to ‘stay in a customs union’, according to the BBC . . . but . . . (we) cannot ‘stay’ in ‘a’ customs union, because that would require us to join something which does not at present exist.
    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/jeremy-corbyns-custom-union-fantasy/

    Are they really surprised that the Absolute Boy is not quite up to speed with Brexit?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 5,488
    The canonical spelling is Mosley, I believe.

    Hard to see how he can not be prosecuted for perjury, in light of Archer and Huhne. I suppose he could argue that it's a convention that as election agent he signs everything off, and the fact it's passed over his desk doesn't mean he has read, or agrees with, it.

    But probably not important, this was 20+ years before Agent COB was scrupulously protecting our secrets from the Czech Peril, even, and I'm not sure who it would embarrass (other than Max, obv).
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 1,513

    geoffw said:

    Jeremy Corbyn wants Britain to ‘stay in a customs union’, according to the BBC . . . but . . . (we) cannot ‘stay’ in ‘a’ customs union, because that would require us to join something which does not at present exist.
    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/jeremy-corbyns-custom-union-fantasy/

    Are they really surprised that the Absolute Boy is not quite up to speed with Brexit?
    I like that phrase. Does it refer to anything?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 5,488
    rawzer said:

    Scott_P said:

    Devotees of the television series Dr Who will be familiar with the sonic screwdriver — a pocket sized piece of technology that has helped the eponymous hero out of any number of tight spots.

    Initially the sonic screwdriver was used mainly to pick locks, but over time it acquired new and remarkable uses. Later Doctors deployed it to hack into computers, disable enemy weaponry and even to destroy a Dalek. No matter how devilish their situation seemed, the sonic screwdriver offered an all-purpose get out of jail free card for scriptwriters.

    I do not know if Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and other leading Brexiters are big fans of Dr Who, but there is much evidence of sonic screwdriver strategy in their thinking. Their mystical faith is most obvious in discussions about the Irish border.



    https://www.ft.com/content/2b5894ac-1d2f-11e8-aaca-4574d7dabfb6

    Boris might prefer you to use deus ex machina rather than your fancy modern analogy ;)
    Or a Harry Potter spell of Brexitus Marvellensis.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 10,133
    I'm amazed she still wants to do the bloody job. She gets paid rubbish for it. She gets nothing but abuse from her own side. And even if she gets Brexit more or less through she'll be blamed for evermore.

    I'd be tempted to say "Stuff you" the next time BoJo or JRM or whoever starts whingeing, hand over the file and say "You sort it. Good luck. You'll need it." and then sod off for a long walking holiday in the Rockies.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 28,325
    edited March 1
    Ishmael_Z said:

    The canonical spelling is Mosley, I believe.

    Hard to see how he can not be prosecuted for perjury, in light of Archer and Huhne. I suppose he could argue that it's a convention that as election agent he signs everything off, and the fact it's passed over his desk doesn't mean he has read, or agrees with, it.

    But probably not important, this was 20+ years before Agent COB was scrupulously protecting our secrets from the Czech Peril, even, and I'm not sure who it would embarrass (other than Max, obv).

    What happened to Phil Woolas agent when Phil got prosecuted? I honestly can't remember.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 4,133

    Is somebody going to speak up for Max Mosely?

    I thought his best film role was as Liet-Kynes in Dune
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 5,620
    Cyclefree said:

    I'm amazed she still wants to do the bloody job. She gets paid rubbish for it. She gets nothing but abuse from her own side. And even if she gets Brexit more or less through she'll be blamed for evermore.

    I'd be tempted to say "Stuff you" the next time BoJo or JRM or whoever starts whingeing, hand over the file and say "You sort it. Good luck. You'll need it." and then sod off for a long walking holiday in the Rockies.

    I did like her rather pointed comment / joke last night

    "“so self-effacing is Matt, that in this centenary year of female suffrage, the year of Time’s Up and Me Too, he has demonstrated just what a stalwart ally he is, by heroically forcing the female Chairman of the Press Gallery to sit in silence and listen to him speak.”

    Ouch
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 4,133
    Scott_P said:
    :D :D :D

    Some parts of Brexit have their upside ;)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 19,097

    Is somebody going to speak up for Max Mosely?

    Is he the Mad Max David Davis was warning us about?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 24,392
    tyson said:

    tyson said:

    Following the discussion from the last thread, as people grow older their lives become smaller, and is complimented by fear of life...change, personal decay, losing capital. And that is what underpins the inexorable shift to right wing philosophies with age more than anything else.

    Right wing politics has nothing positive at all to say about anything. It preys on fear and thrives on negativity. That is why something like immigration is a gift that just keeps on giving to the right.

    And yet, for someone who identifies very strongly with the Left, you seemed consumed by darkness yourself, whilst most right-wing posters of your age on here are filled with joie de vivre.
    Mate, I get pretty tired with your personal comments. I’d rather you not please make any personal references about me. Please stick to the point that I make rather than making assumptions about my lifestyle or wot not. Ditto Ishmael above.

    I don’t mind robust debate like Floater.....you can call me a dickhead if you want, but I really do not care for people making personal assumptions about me. And if I have ever posted anything on this site that has given the impression that I am happy to engage in personal debate, I really didn’t mean that.



    You are happy to make personal comments about others, you just don't like it when the tables are turned.

    You once compared me to a murderer and a paedophile because I disagreed with you about fox hunting.

    So, fuck off, old boy.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 28,325

    tyson said:

    tyson said:

    Following the discussion from the last thread, as people grow older their lives become smaller, and is complimented by fear of life...change, personal decay, losing capital. And that is what underpins the inexorable shift to right wing philosophies with age more than anything else.

    Right wing politics has nothing positive at all to say about anything. It preys on fear and thrives on negativity. That is why something like immigration is a gift that just keeps on giving to the right.

    And yet, for someone who identifies very strongly with the Left, you seemed consumed by darkness yourself, whilst most right-wing posters of your age on here are filled with joie de vivre.
    Mate, I get pretty tired with your personal comments. I’d rather you not please make any personal references about me. Please stick to the point that I make rather than making assumptions about my lifestyle or wot not. Ditto Ishmael above.

    I don’t mind robust debate like Floater.....you can call me a dickhead if you want, but I really do not care for people making personal assumptions about me. And if I have ever posted anything on this site that has given the impression that I am happy to engage in personal debate, I really didn’t mean that.



    You are happy to make personal comments about others, you just don't like it when the tables are turned.

    You once compared me to a murderer and a paedophile because I disagreed with you about fox hunting.

    So, fuck off, old boy.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 21,490

    Is somebody going to speak up for Max Mosely?

    I thought his best film role was as Liet-Kynes in Dune
    The same film in which Eric Pickles played Baron Harkonnen.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 4,409
    edited March 1
    Mr Tyson,

    Do you often look back and wish you'd retained all the wisdom and experience you had when you were eighteen?

    That may give you a clue as to why people's voting patterns as they get older.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 5,488

    Ishmael_Z said:

    The canonical spelling is Mosley, I believe.

    Hard to see how he can not be prosecuted for perjury, in light of Archer and Huhne. I suppose he could argue that it's a convention that as election agent he signs everything off, and the fact it's passed over his desk doesn't mean he has read, or agrees with, it.

    But probably not important, this was 20+ years before Agent COB was scrupulously protecting our secrets from the Czech Peril, even, and I'm not sure who it would embarrass (other than Max, obv).

    What happened to Phil Woolas agent when Phil got prosecuted? I honestly can't remember.
    "Where is the hole, after the doughnut is eaten?" - Wittgenstein.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 6,773

    Deliveroo is one business I don't get. It seems a very expensive way to get a takeaway from a crap chain restaurant, but then I wasn't effected by the KFC closures nor care if Nando runs out of chicken / Jamie Italian chain goes bust (other than obviously people losing work).

    In principle you get a better meal from Deliveroo than Just Eat because they deal with fine dining (in relative terms) restaurants who see takeaway as another sales channel and don't want to do the delivery themselves. I believe Deliveroo charge those restaurants a 30% commission.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 14,804
    Scott_P said:
    Awesome.

    Truth is, JRM and co have become dogmatists. Pure and simple.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 4,133
    edited March 1
    Cyclefree said:

    I'm amazed she still wants to do the bloody job. She gets paid rubbish for it. She gets nothing but abuse from her own side. And even if she gets Brexit more or less through she'll be blamed for evermore.

    I'd be tempted to say "Stuff you" the next time BoJo or JRM or whoever starts whingeing, hand over the file and say "You sort it. Good luck. You'll need it." and then sod off for a long walking holiday in the Rockies.

    It would be fascinating to watch the aftermath. Popcorn might become scarce.... :D
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 28,325
    edited March 1
    Sky brings Netflix on board

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-43242057

    This is the sort of thing why I argue the licence fee is totally broken. The BBC while wed to the telly tax can't compete with the shifts happening in the modern world of content creation.

    Murdoch has seen the tectonic plates shifting, and the Sky under new ownership are in an even better position to adapt with the times.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 10,133

    Ishmael_Z said:

    The canonical spelling is Mosley, I believe.

    Hard to see how he can not be prosecuted for perjury, in light of Archer and Huhne. I suppose he could argue that it's a convention that as election agent he signs everything off, and the fact it's passed over his desk doesn't mean he has read, or agrees with, it.

    But probably not important, this was 20+ years before Agent COB was scrupulously protecting our secrets from the Czech Peril, even, and I'm not sure who it would embarrass (other than Max, obv).

    What happened to Phil Woolas agent when Phil got prosecuted? I honestly can't remember.
    It's not an election agent issue.

    He said during his trial that there was no such leaflet or he was not involved in it. Now we know that there was such a leaflet and that he was involved in it. Depending on precisely what was asked and what he answered - and what other questions he was asked about - the allegation is that he may have lied on oath about the existence of the leaflet rather than about whether he agreed with its contents.

    In order to establish perjury, there will need to be a very careful analysis of his evidence in the witness box and the extent to which this new evidence casts doubt on it to the extent that the offence of perjury can be established. That is the issue for the CPS.

    The other issue is one for the newspaper i.e. if he did not tell the truth about this leaflet is there a basis on which it can claim that the court's judgment would have been different in that libel trial so that the verdict can be overturned and the damages recovered. It would obviously be easier to do that if he's found guilty of perjury but even if no prosecution is brought the newspaper might still be able to argue that the libel verdict should be set aside.

    Regardless of that there is the fact that his somewhat unsavoury past is now being brought to light which is probably not what he wanted or expected.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 5,620

    Sky brings Netflix on board

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-43242057

    This is the sort of thing why I argue the licence fee is totally broken. The BBC while wed to the telly tax can't compete with the shifts happening in the modern world of content creation.

    Murdoch has seen the tectonic plates shifting, and the Sky under new ownership are in an even better position to adapt with the times.

    Netflix and Amazon are providing some great content.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 28,325
    FF43 said:

    Deliveroo is one business I don't get. It seems a very expensive way to get a takeaway from a crap chain restaurant, but then I wasn't effected by the KFC closures nor care if Nando runs out of chicken / Jamie Italian chain goes bust (other than obviously people losing work).

    In principle you get a better meal from Deliveroo than Just Eat because they deal with fine dining (in relative terms) restaurants who see takeaway as another sales channel and don't want to do the delivery themselves. I believe Deliveroo charge those restaurants a 30% commission.
    I understand this, but it is probably just me but if I want a really good meal, I am happy to go to the restaurant (+ I get an "experience" with friends / family etc).
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,453
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    The canonical spelling is Mosley, I believe.

    Hard to see how he can not be prosecuted for perjury, in light of Archer and Huhne. I suppose he could argue that it's a convention that as election agent he signs everything off, and the fact it's passed over his desk doesn't mean he has read, or agrees with, it.

    But probably not important, this was 20+ years before Agent COB was scrupulously protecting our secrets from the Czech Peril, even, and I'm not sure who it would embarrass (other than Max, obv).

    What happened to Phil Woolas agent when Phil got prosecuted? I honestly can't remember.
    "Where is the hole, after the doughnut is eaten?" - Wittgenstein.

    The hole still exists, waiting for the next doughnut to come along.

  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 4,133
    Sean_F said:

    Is somebody going to speak up for Max Mosely?

    I thought his best film role was as Liet-Kynes in Dune
    The same film in which Eric Pickles played Baron Harkonnen.
    And Jeremy Hunt as Dr Yueh
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 1,907
    Remember that time when we woke up to find that the Conservatives had quietly dumped Ian Duncan Smith? What are the chances they will do the same with Brexit?
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,453
    FF43 said:

    Deliveroo is one business I don't get. It seems a very expensive way to get a takeaway from a crap chain restaurant, but then I wasn't effected by the KFC closures nor care if Nando runs out of chicken / Jamie Italian chain goes bust (other than obviously people losing work).

    In principle you get a better meal from Deliveroo than Just Eat because they deal with fine dining (in relative terms) restaurants who see takeaway as another sales channel and don't want to do the delivery themselves. I believe Deliveroo charge those restaurants a 30% commission.

    Having looked at the price differences on Deliveroo compared to the actual restaurant menu, I think it is the customers who pay the 30%.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 28,325
    edited March 1
    Floater said:

    Sky brings Netflix on board

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-43242057

    This is the sort of thing why I argue the licence fee is totally broken. The BBC while wed to the telly tax can't compete with the shifts happening in the modern world of content creation.

    Murdoch has seen the tectonic plates shifting, and the Sky under new ownership are in an even better position to adapt with the times.

    Netflix and Amazon are providing some great content.
    And of course HBO...in the next few weeks alone we have Westworld Season 2 and Silicon Valley returning...while the BBC big budget show was McMafia, that descended into absolute farce.

    I also see today that Amazon has signed a deal to distribute UFC PPV streams, and the theory is they are going to bid for the non-PPV coverage when the current deal with Fox expires shortly.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 4,133

    Remember that time when we woke up to find that the Conservatives had quietly dumped Ian Duncan Smith? What are the chances they will do the same with Brexit?

    Nil. They need to dump the swivel-eyed Brexit loons first. After that they can ask the EU to stop the process whilst they take a realistic look at things and come up with a coherent plan for either IN or OUT.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 6,241
    If a Deliveroo person is prepared to cycle down from Teesside to bring me a Parmo, then I might be interested. However, it might need reheating by then.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 10,133

    Remember that time when we woke up to find that the Conservatives had quietly dumped Ian Duncan Smith? What are the chances they will do the same with Brexit?

    Nil. They need to dump the swivel-eyed Brexit loons first. After that they can ask the EU to stop the process whilst they take a realistic look at things and come up with a coherent plan for either IN or OUT.
    A press on the PAUSE button would be ideal. Some very hard thinking to get a coherent plan is urgently needed.

    Of course they should have done this before pressing the Article 50 button. God only knows why they didn't. The timing of Article 50 was about the only leverage the UK had.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 22,412

    I've just stuck a wodge on her lasting to Jan 2020 or later (only 22 months away).

    Silly odds.

    +1
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 13,280
    edited March 1

    Remember that time when we woke up to find that the Conservatives had quietly dumped Ian Duncan Smith? What are the chances they will do the same with Brexit?

    Nil. They need to dump the swivel-eyed Brexit loons first. After that they can ask the EU to stop the process whilst they take a realistic look at things and come up with a coherent plan for either IN or OUT.
    Brexit will happen. It is a decision the country made and that decision must be honoured. We could (and do) argue all day about what flavour of Brexit is best, but a-Brexit we will go.

    I would not quite die in a ditch to get a Norway-type deal but that is what the Remainers of varying off-putting character should be agitating for. The biggest lie that needs to be exploded is that staying in the SM/CU is "not leaving".

    That should be the focus.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 43,189
    Miss Cyclefree, indeed.

    Of course, that doesn't make the EU's proposed judicial imperialism other than contemptible.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 4,133
    Cyclefree said:

    Remember that time when we woke up to find that the Conservatives had quietly dumped Ian Duncan Smith? What are the chances they will do the same with Brexit?

    Nil. They need to dump the swivel-eyed Brexit loons first. After that they can ask the EU to stop the process whilst they take a realistic look at things and come up with a coherent plan for either IN or OUT.
    A press on the PAUSE button would be ideal. Some very hard thinking to get a coherent plan is urgently needed.

    Of course they should have done this before pressing the Article 50 button. God only knows why they didn't. The timing of Article 50 was about the only leverage the UK had.
    As I recall, the only justification for the A50 timing was the Euro elections in March 2019. When combined with the 2 year A50 deadline it meant that if triggered in March 2017 then we could avoid having MEPs who would only serve a part term.

    Not a brilliant justification, but ...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 19,097
    TOPPING said:

    Remember that time when we woke up to find that the Conservatives had quietly dumped Ian Duncan Smith? What are the chances they will do the same with Brexit?

    Nil. They need to dump the swivel-eyed Brexit loons first. After that they can ask the EU to stop the process whilst they take a realistic look at things and come up with a coherent plan for either IN or OUT.
    Brexit will happen. It is a decision the country made and that decision must be honoured. We could (and do) argue all day about what flavour of Brexit is best, but a-Brexit we will go.

    I would not quite die in a ditch to get a Norway-type deal but that is what the Remainers of varying off-putting character should be agitating for. The biggest lie that needs to be exploded is that staying in the SM/CU is "not leaving".

    That should be the focus.
    The problem with that approach is that almost all the politically active people who pushed for Brexit saw it not as a technical matter of policy, but as an existential matter of national strategy. Therefore it needs to be tested, and judged either to pass the test or to fail it.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,453
    Cyclefree said:

    Remember that time when we woke up to find that the Conservatives had quietly dumped Ian Duncan Smith? What are the chances they will do the same with Brexit?

    Nil. They need to dump the swivel-eyed Brexit loons first. After that they can ask the EU to stop the process whilst they take a realistic look at things and come up with a coherent plan for either IN or OUT.
    A press on the PAUSE button would be ideal. Some very hard thinking to get a coherent plan is urgently needed.

    Of course they should have done this before pressing the Article 50 button. God only knows why they didn't. The timing of Article 50 was about the only leverage the UK had.

    The EU conveniently took away the A50 leverage by refusing to have any talks until A50 was enacted.

    Then the EU insisted on 3 issues first (including the Ireland one) before discussing trade.

    So that's why we're here and there appears to not be a plan, because the EU response to any UK plan is simply "do what you're told". And that attitude is why we voted for Brexit in the first place.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 28,325

    If a Deliveroo person is prepared to cycle down from Teesside to bring me a Parmo, then I might be interested. However, it might need reheating by then.

    ‘Gotta get that Nandos delivered!': Deliveroo man slides down a steep hill on his stomach with food strapped to his back

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5449133/Deliveroo-man-slides-icy-hill-stomach.html
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