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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,925
    Softly, softly.

    This week has been choreographed.
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,977
    Sounds like a pragmatic speech to me.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Hottest of hot takes on here and she's not even half way through :D
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    RoyalBlue said:

    I think May is trying to call the Brexiteers’ bluff. We will have the theoretical ability to diverge, but there will be a cost to doing so. In other words, we will stay aligned. Clever!

    Fine. No issue. But things then can develop as we see fit.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,974
    dixiedean said:

    I thought a few months ago we were leaving he European Medicines Agency. Now we want to stay!

    Yes. One would have thought that could have been made clear before they decided to move HQ...
    She also obviously isn't aware the Britain assesses more medicines than others because we do it on a contract basis for the EMA!
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    OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469

    I don't know if this is some crazy left wing position to take, maybe I have just been reading too much Marx.

    But might it be an idea to check we actually have a problem before we pay to enforce ID cards on millions of people to 'solve' the problem?

    Nope it is neither crazy nor left wing. I agree with you entirely. And of course that is the nub of the problem. May has long been in favour of ID cards for all and is, in my eyes, an extreme authoritarian. This is simply one step along that route for her.
    Too many of our politicians have been seduced by the idea of identity cards, cryptography and computer security systems without really understanding the problems involved or the technology behind them.
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    JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400
    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/969574943729094657


    I assume the EU will set the membership cost of these agencies at £350m a week.
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,989
    Floater said:

    Barnesian said:

    Sterling weakening slightly during the speech

    LOL - oh god that means.... err .... absolutely nothing in the scheme of things.
    If you follow FX and political news you will know sterling weakens when a harder Brexit seems likely and strengthens when agreement seems more likely. That's what it means.

    Down to 1.1195 euros.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,986
    So basically May will technically take us out of the Customs Union but in practice in most respects keep us in to resolve the Irish problem and move forward to a FTA with the EU
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    It is sounding like a considered and thoughtful speech.

    Pragmatic and detailed in many areas.

    Not just an empty statement to sign up to a Customs Union (without actually specifying what that is)
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,301
    Sounds as if Theresa is playing a blinder and putting the cabinet Ultras back in their box. She needs two things to happen now: Rees-Mogg to cry betrayal but Boris to claim that everything's fine and dandy. If that happens she's won hands down.
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    RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679

    Scott_P said:

    @PCollinsTimes: This is quite a candid speech about the problems with, as yet, no notion of how to solve any of them.

    @hugorifkind: @PCollinsTimes When she says "no existing 3rd party solution will do" it's pretty clear that the best idea is not to become a 3rd party.

    @PCollinsTimes: @hugorifkind Quite. This is a good speech for the penultimate week of the Remain campaign.

    @hugorifkind: So far, she's doing a really good job of explaining why leaving the EU is a really bad idea.

    But we ARE leaving.
    Yes, and this speech is making it clearer than ever what a dozy idea leaving is.
    If only you'd made that case with such passion in 2016.....

    Beaten by a bus.
    I'm not a politician.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,105

    Scott_P said:

    @PCollinsTimes: This is quite a candid speech about the problems with, as yet, no notion of how to solve any of them.

    @hugorifkind: @PCollinsTimes When she says "no existing 3rd party solution will do" it's pretty clear that the best idea is not to become a 3rd party.

    @PCollinsTimes: @hugorifkind Quite. This is a good speech for the penultimate week of the Remain campaign.

    @hugorifkind: So far, she's doing a really good job of explaining why leaving the EU is a really bad idea.

    But we ARE leaving.
    Yes, and this speech is making it clearer than ever what a dozy idea leaving is.
    If only you'd made that case with such passion in 2016.....

    Beaten by a bus.
    I'm not a politician.
    Neither were Remain! Certainly not good ones....
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    JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400
    welshowl said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    I think May is trying to call the Brexiteers’ bluff. We will have the theoretical ability to diverge, but there will be a cost to doing so. In other words, we will stay aligned. Clever!

    Fine. No issue. But things then can develop as we see fit.
    https://twitter.com/CCHQPress/status/969575053737316352
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,937
    OchEye said:

    I don't know if this is some crazy left wing position to take, maybe I have just been reading too much Marx.

    But might it be an idea to check we actually have a problem before we pay to enforce ID cards on millions of people to 'solve' the problem?

    Nope it is neither crazy nor left wing. I agree with you entirely. And of course that is the nub of the problem. May has long been in favour of ID cards for all and is, in my eyes, an extreme authoritarian. This is simply one step along that route for her.
    Too many of our politicians have been seduced by the idea of identity cards, cryptography and computer security systems without really understanding the problems involved or the technology behind them.
    Agreed. They also seem to assume that whatever draconian laws they put in place won't be a problem because either they or someone of a similar mind will always be in power. even with the best intentions it does not usually work out that way.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,235
    I haven't been a fan but I am impressed with the detail and clarity of this.
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    JonathanD said:

    welshowl said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    I think May is trying to call the Brexiteers’ bluff. We will have the theoretical ability to diverge, but there will be a cost to doing so. In other words, we will stay aligned. Clever!

    Fine. No issue. But things then can develop as we see fit.
    https://twitter.com/CCHQPress/status/969575053737316352
    Yes.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,612
    “And vice versa” pointing out that blocking the UK would also block the EU.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Like identity cards, this looks like a solution in search of a problem.
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    OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469

    Whatever happened to "Brexit free" threads?

    Asking for a friend ....

    Aw c'mon, the PM is giving a major speech. If not now - when??
    Wait till the Sunday media destroys it...
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,235
    welshowl said:

    JonathanD said:

    welshowl said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    I think May is trying to call the Brexiteers’ bluff. We will have the theoretical ability to diverge, but there will be a cost to doing so. In other words, we will stay aligned. Clever!

    Fine. No issue. But things then can develop as we see fit.
    https://twitter.com/CCHQPress/status/969575053737316352
    Yes.
    +1
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    DavidL said:

    I haven't been a fan but I am impressed with the detail and clarity of this.

    She is a serious grown up politician
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Sounds as if Theresa is playing a blinder and putting the cabinet Ultras back in their box. She needs two things to happen now: Rees-Mogg to cry betrayal but Boris to claim that everything's fine and dandy. If that happens she's won hands down.

    What particular detail do you think JRM will be up in arms about ?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189

    Softly, softly.

    This week has been choreographed.

    With or without the EU?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,612
    Ooooh...”in the face of a worrying rise in protectionism”

    Who could she mean?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,541
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,881
    Lots of details here, especially on trade and services.

    Very sharp contrast to the hyperbole of the last couple of weeks.
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    The header graphic still has the Electoral Commission on it. Should that be changed?
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Barnesian said:

    Floater said:

    Barnesian said:

    Sterling weakening slightly during the speech

    LOL - oh god that means.... err .... absolutely nothing in the scheme of things.
    If you follow FX and political news you will know sterling weakens when a harder Brexit seems likely and strengthens when agreement seems more likely. That's what it means.

    Down to 1.1195 euros.
    I know that immediate swings are of little consequence and mean absolutely nothing (except to profit takers) - its the longer term changes that are important - Witness the immediate changes post referendum and subsequent movements
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    "ignore councils of despair that it simply cannot be done"

    Sounds like she's been reading PB.com
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,235
    Well obviously I am biased but that is such a better deal than the EU proposed in their paper for both parties. It is will be a question of how much of this we can get agreement on in the time available. The wasted year when the EU refused to discuss the future relationship was a tragic waste.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,055
    I bet that closing line "let's get on with it" was focus grouped.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,105
    DavidL said:

    Well obviously I am biased but that is such a better deal than the EU proposed in their paper for both parties. It is will be a question of how much of this we can get agreement on in the time available. The wasted year when the EU refused to discuss the future relationship was a tragic waste.

    +1
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Nigelb said:
    Despite Brexit....
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,603
    "Robert Peston, BBC"

    Woops!
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    JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400
    DavidL said:

    The wasted year when the EU refused to discuss the future relationship was a tragic waste.

    It gave us time for a General Election, so not all wasted...
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    Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,600


    I think that many people who live well-organised lives really struggle to imagine what a disorganised life is like - I remember the incredulity which some here expressed when I said in another context that not everyone knows their NI number or can readily lay their hands on it.

    Real life: some people live in temporary accommodation all the time - I know one woman who has been staying in different B&Bs for years, and struggles to prove she exists at all in the form now required by letting agents. They move often, sometimes every few months, They don't drive or have a passport. They have as little as possible to do with authorities, not necessarily because they are deliberately avoiding legal duties but because life is just so overwhelming that filling out forms etc. is one hassle too much. Requiring that they bring a polling card OR a form of non-photo ID would be a reasonable step, but not a photo ID.

    It's true that people like this often aren't registered to vote, a separate issue. But if they have managed that, really it's unreasonable to require them to produce additional photo ID as well. It's ironical that all these issues would be solved by having universal ID cards, yet there is I think an overlap between people who demand that voters carry photo ID but who oppose ID cards.

    Yes, absolutely. However, to be fair to the Government, I think they absolutely understand the huge additional burdens that their system of electoral registration (and now their proposed system of voting) places on a relatively young transient population in short term accommodation compared to the rest. The problem is that they are using that understanding to do everything they can do discourage electoral participation by a group of voters that they realise will be overwhelmingly against them. They've studied the application and lessons from nudge theory and are applying them in reverse.

    There is a name for this in the US. Voter suppression.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,105
    edited March 2018
    Pound currently down against the dollar by, er, 0.01%......

    EDIT; make that up by 0.02%.....
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,989
    Floater said:

    Barnesian said:

    Floater said:

    Barnesian said:

    Sterling weakening slightly during the speech

    LOL - oh god that means.... err .... absolutely nothing in the scheme of things.
    If you follow FX and political news you will know sterling weakens when a harder Brexit seems likely and strengthens when agreement seems more likely. That's what it means.

    Down to 1.1195 euros.
    I know that immediate swings are of little consequence and mean absolutely nothing (except to profit takers) - its the longer term changes that are important - Witness the immediate changes post referendum and subsequent movements
    The swings reflect the collective opinion of traders of the impact of the speech.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    OchEye said:

    I don't know if this is some crazy left wing position to take, maybe I have just been reading too much Marx.

    But might it be an idea to check we actually have a problem before we pay to enforce ID cards on millions of people to 'solve' the problem?

    Nope it is neither crazy nor left wing. I agree with you entirely. And of course that is the nub of the problem. May has long been in favour of ID cards for all and is, in my eyes, an extreme authoritarian. This is simply one step along that route for her.
    Too many of our politicians have been seduced by the idea of identity cards, cryptography and computer security systems without really understanding the problems involved or the technology behind them.
    Give it a year and every friggin politician will be banging on about Blockchain solution to everything...
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,235
    50 for AB. Needs someone to stay with him though.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Ooooh...”in the face of a worrying rise in protectionism”

    Who could she mean?

    No idea :-)
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    For all her occasional tripping over words and hesitant moments, that was a detailed and thoughtful speech with meat on the bones. It is in stark contrast to Corbyn's facile speech of a few days ago which contained no specifics, just empty phrases intended to play politics rather be a substantial contribution to a national (and international) debate.

    Will she get the credit? Almost certainly not. But it is a serious speech with serious content and serious intent.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    DavidL said:

    I haven't been a fan but I am impressed with the detail and clarity of this.

    She is a serious grown up politician
    Lets not get carried away :-)
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,881

    Pound currently down against the dollar by, er, 0.01%......

    But if you scale the axis right you’ll make it look like a massive fall!
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Secret government order allowing MI5 law-breaking revealed

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43256180

    In other news, I hear bears allegedly shit in the woods...
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,973
    Nigelb said:
    AIUI it's only going ahead if they get a relevant train order?

    I think CAF are building a factory in Newport, South Wales, and Hitachi have theirs in the northeast.

    Of course, all of these are minnows compared to the giant amongst railway builders: the historic Litchurch Lane! ;)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_Litchurch_Lane_Works
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,235

    "Robert Peston, BBC"

    Woops!

    Yes, I noticed that. Won't endear him to his new employers.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,612

    DavidL said:

    Well obviously I am biased but that is such a better deal than the EU proposed in their paper for both parties. It is will be a question of how much of this we can get agreement on in the time available. The wasted year when the EU refused to discuss the future relationship was a tragic waste.

    +1
    +2
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    OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    Oh Dear! "Robert Peston BBC" He won't be allowed to forget that one...
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460

    DavidL said:

    Well obviously I am biased but that is such a better deal than the EU proposed in their paper for both parties. It is will be a question of how much of this we can get agreement on in the time available. The wasted year when the EU refused to discuss the future relationship was a tragic waste.

    +1
    +2
    +3
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    welshowl said:

    DavidL said:

    Well obviously I am biased but that is such a better deal than the EU proposed in their paper for both parties. It is will be a question of how much of this we can get agreement on in the time available. The wasted year when the EU refused to discuss the future relationship was a tragic waste.

    +1
    +2
    +3
    Are we proving that we can do maths?

    *wink*
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,235
    Loving the very obvious batting order of the various media/press.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,541

    OchEye said:

    I don't know if this is some crazy left wing position to take, maybe I have just been reading too much Marx.

    But might it be an idea to check we actually have a problem before we pay to enforce ID cards on millions of people to 'solve' the problem?

    Nope it is neither crazy nor left wing. I agree with you entirely. And of course that is the nub of the problem. May has long been in favour of ID cards for all and is, in my eyes, an extreme authoritarian. This is simply one step along that route for her.
    Too many of our politicians have been seduced by the idea of identity cards, cryptography and computer security systems without really understanding the problems involved or the technology behind them.
    Give it a year and every friggin politician will be banging on about Blockchain solution to everything...
    Irish border question.. solved !
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,331
    It's a pragmatic speech which does a decent job of papering over the cracks, but I'm not sure it solves anything. For instance, if we can change our standards for goods but we will not lower them, who decides whether a difference constitutes a lowering? If in practice we won't, then fine, that's regulatory identity.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Barnesian said:

    Floater said:

    Barnesian said:

    Floater said:

    Barnesian said:

    Sterling weakening slightly during the speech

    LOL - oh god that means.... err .... absolutely nothing in the scheme of things.
    If you follow FX and political news you will know sterling weakens when a harder Brexit seems likely and strengthens when agreement seems more likely. That's what it means.

    Down to 1.1195 euros.
    I know that immediate swings are of little consequence and mean absolutely nothing (except to profit takers) - its the longer term changes that are important - Witness the immediate changes post referendum and subsequent movements
    The swings reflect the collective opinion of traders of the impact of the speech.
    Sigh - and means sweet FA in the longer term.

    Lets leave it there - you just want to paint an inaccurate picture and life really is to short
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Ruth and Boris both happy with speech ,,
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,105
    "WE WILL NOT THINK AGAIN ON BREXIT"

    Sometimes you just need to shout.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    welshowl said:

    DavidL said:

    Well obviously I am biased but that is such a better deal than the EU proposed in their paper for both parties. It is will be a question of how much of this we can get agreement on in the time available. The wasted year when the EU refused to discuss the future relationship was a tragic waste.

    +1
    +2
    +3
    Are we proving that we can do maths?

    *wink*
    Perhaps.... the next numbers in sequence are

    +5

    +8
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,235
    Oh she must have been praying for that question from the German woman. She still needs to watch her loony flank.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,881
    DavidL said:

    "Robert Peston, BBC"

    Woops!

    Yes, I noticed that. Won't endear him to his new employers.
    I’m sure most of us have made that occasional slip when moving employers, but if you’re a journalist asking a question to the PM (or an F1 driver making a pit stop, hi Lewis) it’s a little more public than most!
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,055

    "WE WILL NOT THINK AGAIN ON BREXIT"

    Sometimes you just need to shout.

    We'll think again
    Don't know where
    Don't know when
    But I know we'll think again some sunny day
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Pound currently down against the dollar by, er, 0.01%......

    EDIT; make that up by 0.02%.....

    LOL
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831

    welshowl said:

    DavidL said:

    Well obviously I am biased but that is such a better deal than the EU proposed in their paper for both parties. It is will be a question of how much of this we can get agreement on in the time available. The wasted year when the EU refused to discuss the future relationship was a tragic waste.

    +1
    +2
    +3
    Are we proving that we can do maths?

    *wink*
    Perhaps.... the next numbers in sequence are

    +5

    +8
    You are just Fib-bing now...
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,105
    edited March 2018
    The approach outlined by the PM will mean there is going to be a much greater workload for Parliament in deciding which EU laws we will adopt, and which we will adapt, and which we will not implement.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,974

    "WE WILL NOT THINK AGAIN ON BREXIT"

    Sometimes you just need to shout.

    We'll think again
    Don't know where
    Don't know when
    But I know we'll think again some sunny day
    +1
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,235

    welshowl said:

    DavidL said:

    Well obviously I am biased but that is such a better deal than the EU proposed in their paper for both parties. It is will be a question of how much of this we can get agreement on in the time available. The wasted year when the EU refused to discuss the future relationship was a tragic waste.

    +1
    +2
    +3
    Are we proving that we can do maths?

    *wink*
    Perhaps.... the next numbers in sequence are

    +5

    +8
    You are just Fib-bing now...
    Very good.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,976
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Even with nice gloves on, my right hand was getting a bit cold. Still, shovelling done.

    Mr. Sandpit, that was a fun moment.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,917
    Good speech.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,881
    edited March 2018

    The approach outlined by the PM will mean there is going to be a much greater workload for Parliament in deciding which EU laws we will adopt, and which we will adapt, and which we will not implement.

    Indeed, or taking back control as I think someone once called it. :D
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,594

    "WE WILL NOT THINK AGAIN ON BREXIT"

    Sometimes you just need to shout.

    We'll think again
    Don't know where
    Don't know when
    But I know we'll think again some sunny day
    +1
    +2 :)
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,105

    It's a pragmatic speech which does a decent job of papering over the cracks, but I'm not sure it solves anything. For instance, if we can change our standards for goods but we will not lower them, who decides whether a difference constitutes a lowering? If in practice we won't, then fine, that's regulatory identity.

    Much more meat than we got from vegetarian Jezza......
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,301
    TGOHF said:

    Ruth and Boris both happy with speech ,,

    If Boris has acquiesced then that's half the job done. She just needs Ree-Mogg to kick off and it can be regarded as triumph.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,202

    Cyclefree said:

    Well, if Mrs May is not setting the world on fire then watch / listen to this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7i4z3HtE_U

    One for the desert island.

    Youcan't take a whole opera, Cyclefree. That's cheating.
    Why on earth not? You get a whole book and a whole luxury. Why not a whole opera?

    Snowing heavily again in West Hampstead. Oh to be on a desert island.....
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    The approach outlined by the PM will mean there is going to be a much greater workload for Parliament in deciding which EU laws we will adopt, and which we will adapt, and which we will not implement.

    Can I suggest a pay rise for the poor dears?

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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,973
    Off-topic:

    The investigation into the Leicester explosion seems to be getting more intriguing:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-43255379
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    Pulpstar said:

    Good speech.

    Good response to the questions as well
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    Ruth and Boris both happy with speech ,,

    If Boris has acquiesced then that's half the job done. She just needs Ree-Mogg to kick off and it can be regarded as triumph.
    I can’t see where he would have a problem.

    Ability to set new trade deals intact.

    Anyone heard from Soubry ?
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Off-topic:

    The investigation into the Leicester explosion seems to be getting more intriguing:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-43255379

    Rumours of an illegal distillery I saw in one paper

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    Floater said:

    The approach outlined by the PM will mean there is going to be a much greater workload for Parliament in deciding which EU laws we will adopt, and which we will adapt, and which we will not implement.

    Can I suggest a pay rise for the poor dears?

    Just had 1.8% from 1st April
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Well, if Mrs May is not setting the world on fire then watch / listen to this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7i4z3HtE_U

    One for the desert island.

    Youcan't take a whole opera, Cyclefree. That's cheating.
    Why on earth not? You get a whole book and a whole luxury. Why not a whole opera?

    Snowing heavily again in West Hampstead. Oh to be on a desert island.....
    I worked from home today (again) as the met office were forecasting heavy snow here from 9am - I think I have seen a grand total of 10 flakes.
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,301
    Compare and contrast the near universal adulation that Theresa's speech has aroused with Boris's effort the other week. Boris must be choking as it dawns that Theresa is just in a different league to him. While he is clawing away at the political dirt she is being borne aloft by angels!
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,973
    Floater said:

    Off-topic:

    The investigation into the Leicester explosion seems to be getting more intriguing:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-43255379

    Rumours of an illegal distillery I saw in one paper
    Ah thanks. Hadn't heard that.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,105
    Floater said:

    The approach outlined by the PM will mean there is going to be a much greater workload for Parliament in deciding which EU laws we will adopt, and which we will adapt, and which we will not implement.

    Can I suggest a pay rise for the poor dears?

    I'm not sure 600 will be enough to do the job.....
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,105
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Well, if Mrs May is not setting the world on fire then watch / listen to this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7i4z3HtE_U

    One for the desert island.

    Youcan't take a whole opera, Cyclefree. That's cheating.
    Why on earth not? You get a whole book and a whole luxury. Why not a whole opera?

    Snowing heavily again in West Hampstead. Oh to be on a desert island.....
    One day, when politics quietens down (!!), we could all offer up our Desert Island discs/book/luxury.......
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Floater said:

    The approach outlined by the PM will mean there is going to be a much greater workload for Parliament in deciding which EU laws we will adopt, and which we will adapt, and which we will not implement.

    Can I suggest a pay rise for the poor dears?

    I'm not sure 600 will be enough to do the job.....
    Nor even 650 perhaps.....
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    rawzerrawzer Posts: 189

    Pulpstar said:

    Good speech.

    Good response to the questions as well
    Seemed to be some real content in most areas, but the financial services stuff sounded very thin and squeezed in - the whole passporting thing is a mystery to me, is this not where we most have to get it right?
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Compare and contrast the near universal adulation that Theresa's speech has aroused with Boris's effort the other week. Boris must be choking as it dawns that Theresa is just in a different league to him. While he is clawing away at the political dirt she is being borne aloft by angels!

    Who says drugs don't work :-)
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831

    The approach outlined by the PM will mean there is going to be a much greater workload for Parliament in deciding which EU laws we will adopt, and which we will adapt, and which we will not implement.

    Well if they actually had to spend time doing that rather than on pointless debates that make no difference to anyone, then they will be earning their money.

    Leave Westminster Hall for the fluff and make the Commons and the Lords do the work of looking in detail at legislation and regulation.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Floater said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Well, if Mrs May is not setting the world on fire then watch / listen to this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7i4z3HtE_U

    One for the desert island.

    Youcan't take a whole opera, Cyclefree. That's cheating.
    Why on earth not? You get a whole book and a whole luxury. Why not a whole opera?

    Snowing heavily again in West Hampstead. Oh to be on a desert island.....
    I worked from home today (again) as the met office were forecasting heavy snow here from 9am - I think I have seen a grand total of 10 flakes.
    I presume the rest of the kids are inside playing Xbox...no wonder they are becoming lard arses.
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506

    welshowl said:

    DavidL said:

    Well obviously I am biased but that is such a better deal than the EU proposed in their paper for both parties. It is will be a question of how much of this we can get agreement on in the time available. The wasted year when the EU refused to discuss the future relationship was a tragic waste.

    +1
    +2
    +3
    Are we proving that we can do maths?

    *wink*
    Perhaps.... the next numbers in sequence are

    +5

    +8
    You are just Fib-bing now...
    Fibonacci series for the uninitiated historians on PB.
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    Go Theresa :blush:
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,055
    The only move Boris has left is to say Brexit is pointless...

    She has the Brexiteers just where she wants them.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,105
    Cue Mr Barnier "NON!"........
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