Well obviously I am biased but that is such a better deal than the EU proposed in their paper for both parties. It is will be a question of how much of this we can get agreement on in the time available. The wasted year when the EU refused to discuss the future relationship was a tragic waste.
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Are we proving that we can do maths?
*wink*
Perhaps.... the next numbers in sequence are
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You are just Fib-bing now...
Fibonacci series for the uninitiated historians on PB.
Surely, there are no such people on PB? "Uninitiated historians"? Pah!
Reasonable speech, best May's done yet. Can't help think that something along these lines would have settled the troops if delivered several months ago. I'll wait for reaction from the Ultras.
It is unfortunate from a PR point of view that Boris was not in the audience. Both he and Gove need to be publically and loudly behind this. May can see off the odd Brexiteer loon if there is solid cabinet support.
If she can take this forward maybe, just maybe, we might see an end to much of the hyperbole. This is not a hard Brexit. It would have fairly minimal implications economically. It facilitates a constructive EU relationship going forward. The next generation can decide whether the next steps are closer or further away. I think she has gone further than I thought she could to produce a Brexit that many remainers can live with.
It will be very interesting to see what the EU makes of this.
Reasonable speech, best May's done yet. Can't help think that something along these lines would have settled the troops if delivered several months ago. I'll wait for reaction from the Ultras.
All that poor Theresa May needs now is praise from that complete plonker Iain Martin. In reality she is the worst speaker on God's earth. John Major (no great orator) sounds like a political giant in comparison.
Her speech was long on problems short on solutions. The only reason that any of this piffle can come to pass if that it "is in the EU's interests as well"
No it is not. The EU overwhelming nterest is in making sure that there is no free lunch for the UK, lest they encourager les autres!
Seemed to be some real content in most areas, but the financial services stuff sounded very thin and squeezed in - the whole passporting thing is a mystery to me, is this not where we most have to get it right?
To have passporting you need to remain in the Single Market.
All that poor Theresa May needs now is praise from that complete plonker Iain Martin. In reality she is the worst speaker on God's earth. John Major (no great orator) sounds like a political giant in comparison.
Her speech was long on problems short on solutions. The only reason that any of this piffle can come to pass if that it "is in the EU's interests as well"
No it is not. The EU overwhelming nterest is in making sure that there is no free lunch for the UK, lest they encourager les autres!
All that poor Theresa May needs now is praise from that complete plonker Iain Martin. In reality she is the worst speaker on God's earth. John Major (no great orator) sounds like a political giant in comparison.
Her speech was long on problems short on solutions. The only reason that any of this piffle can come to pass if that it "is in the EU's interests as well"
No it is not. The EU overwhelming nterest is in making sure that there is no free lunch for the UK, lest they encourager les autres!
She is a poor speaker but the commentariat seem to think it was her best speech by some distance
All that poor Theresa May needs now is praise from that complete plonker Iain Martin. In reality she is the worst speaker on God's earth. John Major (no great orator) sounds like a political giant in comparison.
Her speech was long on problems short on solutions. The only reason that any of this piffle can come to pass if that it "is in the EU's interests as well"
No it is not. The EU overwhelming nterest is in making sure that there is no free lunch for the UK, lest they encourager les autres!
You've obviously never had to listen to Peter Hain - he opens his speeches by apologising for being dull
Youcan't take a whole opera, Cyclefree. That's cheating.
Why on earth not? You get a whole book and a whole luxury. Why not a whole opera?
Snowing heavily again in West Hampstead. Oh to be on a desert island.....
I worked from home today (again) as the met office were forecasting heavy snow here from 9am - I think I have seen a grand total of 10 flakes.
Opposite here in Westchester County, Noo Yawk. The official forecast from the National Weather Service was no snow, just heavy rain. Our local forecaster Hudson Valley Weather reckoned we'd get 1- 6" of snow starting around 7-8am. As if on cue, the rain turned to snow at 8am and it's now 10am and we've had at least an inch.
I decided yesterday to tell my team I'd WFH today based on the HVW forecast and I'm glad I did!
All that poor Theresa May needs now is praise from that complete plonker Iain Martin. In reality she is the worst speaker on God's earth. John Major (no great orator) sounds like a political giant in comparison.
Her speech was long on problems short on solutions. The only reason that any of this piffle can come to pass if that it "is in the EU's interests as well"
No it is not. The EU overwhelming nterest is in making sure that there is no free lunch for the UK, lest they encourager les autres!
And if the EU side take that approach to such a pragmatic and consolidatory speech they’ll look like selfish idiots - including to many of their own governments.
Seemed to be some real content in most areas, but the financial services stuff sounded very thin and squeezed in - the whole passporting thing is a mystery to me, is this not where we most have to get it right?
To have passporting you need to remain in the Single Market.
Not sure about that. What you definitely do need is regulatory equivalence and mutual recognition. That is what she seems to be aiming for and what we will no doubt hear from Hammond next week. Whether the EU will go for that or not is one of the more difficult questions. They must resent London's dominance. Their industry wants London's expertise.
Yes, I think you are right. Let's hope so, and that the EU27 are broadly in line with her approach. It would surely have been tested with them through the usual channels.
@IainDale: Not quite sure this speech achieved what it set out to. Yes there was detail, perhaps too much, but the overriding feeling I have is that Olly Robbins has won back the initiative from the Brexiteer politicians. Chequers has been overturned in terms of regulatory divergence.
@JasonGroves1: PM has set out enormously complex project to keep things basically the same after Brexit - can’t help wondering if she really thinks it’s worth it
Yes, I think you are right. Let's hope so, and that the EU27 are broadly in line with her approach. It would surely have been tested with them through the usual channels.
It seems to have been a very good speech.
I honestly think that most of what we see about Brexit is theatre. There will be a lot of huffing and puffing but in the end a good deal (for both sides) will be done.
@PCollinsTimes: This is quite a candid speech about the problems with, as yet, no notion of how to solve any of them. @hugorifkind: @PCollinsTimes When she says "no existing 3rd party solution will do" it's pretty clear that the best idea is not to become a 3rd party.
@PCollinsTimes: @hugorifkind Quite. This is a good speech for the penultimate week of the Remain campaign.
@hugorifkind: So far, she's doing a really good job of explaining why leaving the EU is a really bad idea.
But we ARE leaving.
Yes, and this speech is making it clearer than ever what a dozy idea leaving is.
If only you'd made that case with such passion in 2016..... Beaten by a bus.
I'm not a politician.
Neither were Remain! Certainly not good ones....
Quite right, Mr Mark. Cameron and Osborne, who headed up the Remain campaign, were totally useless. Tell us: why did you go out campaigning for them?
Youcan't take a whole opera, Cyclefree. That's cheating.
Why on earth not? You get a whole book and a whole luxury. Why not a whole opera?
Snowing heavily again in West Hampstead. Oh to be on a desert island.....
I worked from home today (again) as the met office were forecasting heavy snow here from 9am - I think I have seen a grand total of 10 flakes.
Opposite here in Westchester County, Noo Yawk. The official forecast from the National Weather Service was no snow, just heavy rain. Our local forecaster Hudson Valley Weather reckoned we'd get 1- 6" of snow starting around 7-8am. As if on cue, the rain turned to snow at 8am and it's now 10am and we've had at least an inch.
I decided yesterday to tell my team I'd WFH today based on the HVW forecast and I'm glad I did!
I took an "executive decision" on Monday and arranged for my entire team to work from home - none of us has been in office since Monday.
@PCollinsTimes: This is quite a candid speech about the problems with, as yet, no notion of how to solve any of them. @hugorifkind: @PCollinsTimes When she says "no existing 3rd party solution will do" it's pretty clear that the best idea is not to become a 3rd party.
@PCollinsTimes: @hugorifkind Quite. This is a good speech for the penultimate week of the Remain campaign.
@hugorifkind: So far, she's doing a really good job of explaining why leaving the EU is a really bad idea.
But we ARE leaving.
Yes, and this speech is making it clearer than ever what a dozy idea leaving is.
If only you'd made that case with such passion in 2016..... Beaten by a bus.
I'm not a politician.
Neither were Remain! Certainly not good ones....
Quite right, Mr Mark. Cameron and Osborne, who headed up the Remain campaign, were totally useless. Tell us: why did you go out campaigning for them?
Because they promised a Referendum in their Manifesto.
A Referendum your lot blocked, at a point when it would probably have been won by Remain.
@PCollinsTimes: This is quite a candid speech about the problems with, as yet, no notion of how to solve any of them. @hugorifkind: @PCollinsTimes When she says "no existing 3rd party solution will do" it's pretty clear that the best idea is not to become a 3rd party.
@PCollinsTimes: @hugorifkind Quite. This is a good speech for the penultimate week of the Remain campaign.
@hugorifkind: So far, she's doing a really good job of explaining why leaving the EU is a really bad idea.
But we ARE leaving.
Yes, and this speech is making it clearer than ever what a dozy idea leaving is.
If only you'd made that case with such passion in 2016..... Beaten by a bus.
I'm not a politician.
Neither were Remain! Certainly not good ones....
Quite right, Mr Mark. Cameron and Osborne, who headed up the Remain campaign, were totally useless. Tell us: why did you go out campaigning for them?
Because they promised a Referendum in their Manifesto.
A Referendum your lot blocked, at a point when it would probably have been won by Remain.
After which it would have been settled for a generation!
All that poor Theresa May needs now is praise from that complete plonker Iain Martin. In reality she is the worst speaker on God's earth. John Major (no great orator) sounds like a political giant in comparison.
Her speech was long on problems short on solutions. The only reason that any of this piffle can come to pass if that it "is in the EU's interests as well"
No it is not. The EU overwhelming nterest is in making sure that there is no free lunch for the UK, lest they encourager les autres!
You've obviously never had to listen to Peter Hain - he opens his speeches by apologising for being dull
I'm afraid some Remainers begging Sinn Fein to take their seats at Westminster was a low point.
It's a red line for Sinn Fein and it will never happen. It was all a ploy by Veradkhar anyway to turn the heat up on them given the weakness of his parliamentary majority. He also runs a minority government.
SF headed by Mary Lou McDonald is a much tougher challenge as she doesn't have the baggage. She is a Dublin girl who visits her mum in Tipperary at the weekends - not linked to the past.
Youcan't take a whole opera, Cyclefree. That's cheating.
Why on earth not? You get a whole book and a whole luxury. Why not a whole opera?
Snowing heavily again in West Hampstead. Oh to be on a desert island.....
I worked from home today (again) as the met office were forecasting heavy snow here from 9am - I think I have seen a grand total of 10 flakes.
Opposite here in Westchester County, Noo Yawk. The official forecast from the National Weather Service was no snow, just heavy rain. Our local forecaster Hudson Valley Weather reckoned we'd get 1- 6" of snow starting around 7-8am. As if on cue, the rain turned to snow at 8am and it's now 10am and we've had at least an inch.
I decided yesterday to tell my team I'd WFH today based on the HVW forecast and I'm glad I did!
I took an "executive decision" on Monday and arranged for my entire team to work from home - none of us has been in office since Monday.
That's been the UK government's position from the start. I don't know why anyone thinks Theresa May hasn't been clear; the uncertainty is entirely on the EU side, as we don't know what position they will take. (Yes, I know they say 'no cherry-picking', but then they seem to want to pick cherries themselves on fisheries, Ireland, rights of EU citizens, and most of all on security, so I don't think we need to take that too seriously).
Currency markets and stock market unmoved by PMs speech.
LOL - Barnesian?
For uninitiated historians on PB:
Barnesian performativity after sociologist Barry Barnes. In economics “the use of a model (or some other aspect of economics makes it “more true””. MacKenzie admits that the opposite, counter-performability might also be true, that using an economic theory makes something less true.
Campaigned for is a bit of a stretch I think, she did the maximum amount of fence-sitting possible. At best she's a lukewarm Remainer leading a Leave party, as opposed to Corbyn, a lukewarm Leaver leading a (very) pro-Remain party.
Well then Manfred, explain to the EU countries that their Budget contributions are going up from 2019..... That £39,000,000,000.00 you've already spent? Well, they are going to have to bridge that themselves.
Have a suspicion we'll see 3 or 4 of the Tory 'rebels' come back on the Govt's side over this silly customs union amendment (the third customs union amendment, I might add, to Brexit bills).
Leaving Corbz standing, looking silly, with Blair and Major.
If that’s the sort of response that comes out of the EU tonight, then we might as well start preparing now for no deal. And we can do a ceremonial setting fire to a big cheque to make our point if they want.
A polite response would be that while there are still considerable areas of difference, we look forward to getting around the table to move the discussions on.
Re voter ID. Until relatively recently, I didn't have a driving license.
This meant the only photo ID I had was my passport. So, if Mrs May called her snap election when the Passport Authority was renewing my passport, or when the Indian or US Embassy had it for a visa, then I'd be SoL.
If that’s the sort of response that comes out of the EU tonight, then we might as well start preparing now for no deal.
A polite response would be that while there are still considerable areas of difference, we look forward to getting around the table to move the discussions on.
Weber isn't around the table - which is something.
I suspect the official response will be more measured
Re voter ID. Until relatively recently, I didn't have a driving license.
This meant the only photo ID I had was my passport. So, if Mrs May called her snap election when the Passport Authority was renewing my passport, or when the Indian or US Embassy had it for a visa, then I'd be SoL.
There's a delicate balance here.
The trial is looking at a whole range of options - photo and non-photo. Better to let the trials take place before worrying about something that might not happen.
Youcan't take a whole opera, Cyclefree. That's cheating.
Why on earth not? You get a whole book and a whole luxury. Why not a whole opera?
Snowing heavily again in West Hampstead. Oh to be on a desert island.....
I worked from home today (again) as the met office were forecasting heavy snow here from 9am - I think I have seen a grand total of 10 flakes.
Opposite here in Westchester County, Noo Yawk. The official forecast from the National Weather Service was no snow, just heavy rain. Our local forecaster Hudson Valley Weather reckoned we'd get 1- 6" of snow starting around 7-8am. As if on cue, the rain turned to snow at 8am and it's now 10am and we've had at least an inch.
I decided yesterday to tell my team I'd WFH today based on the HVW forecast and I'm glad I did!
I took an "executive decision" on Monday and arranged for my entire team to work from home - none of us has been in office since Monday.
If that’s the sort of response that comes out of the EU tonight, then we might as well start preparing now for no deal. And we can do a ceremonial setting fire to a big cheque to make our point if they want.
A polite response would be that while there are still considerable areas of difference, we look forward to getting around the table to move the discussions on.
Neither Weber nor Verhofstadt are principals in the negotiation. These minor characters can rant and rave all they like, but they are not going to block a deal agreed by Barnier and the 27 heads of government.
Re voter ID. Until relatively recently, I didn't have a driving license.
This meant the only photo ID I had was my passport. So, if Mrs May called her snap election when the Passport Authority was renewing my passport, or when the Indian or US Embassy had it for a visa, then I'd be SoL.
There's a delicate balance here.
I thought the proposals would even include things like utility bills.
@MichelBarnier 10m10 minutes ago More I welcome PM @theresa_may speech. Clarity about #UK leaving Single Market and Customs Union & recognition of trade-offs will inform #EUCO guidelines re: future FTA.
Seemed to be some real content in most areas, but the financial services stuff sounded very thin and squeezed in - the whole passporting thing is a mystery to me, is this not where we most have to get it right?
I'd forget about the City having any negotiated settlement as part of Brexit - they're on their own. Its all about saving the UKs automotive and aerospace industry at the moment.
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The Dies Irae definitely comes to the desert island.
Seriously, my youngest was out all day in it the first day - he decided that was more than enough cold and discomfort thanks
Reasonable speech, best May's done yet. Can't help think that something along these lines would have settled the troops if delivered several months ago. I'll wait for reaction from the Ultras.
If she can take this forward maybe, just maybe, we might see an end to much of the hyperbole. This is not a hard Brexit. It would have fairly minimal implications economically. It facilitates a constructive EU relationship going forward. The next generation can decide whether the next steps are closer or further away. I think she has gone further than I thought she could to produce a Brexit that many remainers can live with.
It will be very interesting to see what the EU makes of this.
Are we expecting to hear from Barnier and Junker?
Her speech was long on problems short on solutions. The only reason that any of this piffle can come to pass if that it "is in the EU's interests as well"
No it is not. The EU overwhelming nterest is in making sure that there is no free lunch for the UK, lest they encourager les autres!
Progress.....after Varadkar stopped his predecessor's work.....
I decided yesterday to tell my team I'd WFH today based on the HVW forecast and I'm glad I did!
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SNP: 32
It seems to have been a very good speech.
@IainDale: Not quite sure this speech achieved what it set out to. Yes there was detail, perhaps too much, but the overriding feeling I have is that Olly Robbins has won back the initiative from the Brexiteer politicians. Chequers has been overturned in terms of regulatory divergence.
Oh, wait...
"WE WILL NOT THINK AGAIN ON BREXIT"
https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/969586877903679490
It’s really not complicated.
https://order-order.com/2018/03/02/may-brexit-speech-full-text/
A Referendum your lot blocked, at a point when it would probably have been won by Remain.
Curious you forgot to mention that.
SF headed by Mary Lou McDonald is a much tougher challenge as she doesn't have the baggage. She is a Dublin girl who visits her mum in Tipperary at the weekends - not linked to the past.
Sounds like illegal chemistry rather terror related, but ongoing. Neither shop nor flat were muslim occupied.
Barnesian performativity after sociologist Barry Barnes. In economics “the use of a model (or some other aspect of economics makes it “more true””. MacKenzie admits that the opposite, counter-performability might also be true, that using an economic theory makes something less true.
Still, that means there will be great snow on the mountains and I can go skiing tomorrow.
Have a suspicion we'll see 3 or 4 of the Tory 'rebels' come back on the Govt's side over this silly customs union amendment (the third customs union amendment, I might add, to Brexit bills).
Leaving Corbz standing, looking silly, with Blair and Major.
Would be lovely politics if it comes to pass.
https://www.iod.com/news/navigating-brexit-for-business/articles/business-leaders-propose-hybrid-option-for-post-brexit-trade
A polite response would be that while there are still considerable areas of difference, we look forward to getting around the table to move the discussions on.
Only 22 degrees C too, bloody freezing.
This meant the only photo ID I had was my passport. So, if Mrs May called her snap election when the Passport Authority was renewing my passport, or when the Indian or US Embassy had it for a visa, then I'd be SoL.
There's a delicate balance here.
I'd still be unsurprised if the Government lost the CU vote. When is it, incidentally?
I suspect the official response will be more measured
But others will, I suspect, come into line.
Djangoly, Hammond etc
Edit: plus others of the 'rebels' have voted against the customs union amendments previously, I suspect.
Just some dull droids from the deepest dungeon of Strasbourg.
Good news for Singapore ?
@MichelBarnier
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I welcome PM @theresa_may speech. Clarity about #UK leaving Single Market and Customs Union & recognition of trade-offs will inform #EUCO guidelines re: future FTA.