Having just heard Dominic Raab and the head of the CBI being interviewed by the avuncuar John Pienaar the time has come to be petrified. Leaving is going to be a calamity.
If we're looking for pointers to the next election expect a party to have at the centre of its campaign the offer of a new Referendum and expect them to win by a landslide.
Yet the Lib Dems are under 10%.
It is a catastrophy waiting to happen. Ignore everything that's happened to date. Judgement day is March 29th 2019 and we face catastrophy.
what was the nature of the catastrophe that was revealed on Pienaar? 50 mile lorry queues? No food on shelves?
Mr. 43, did it protect us when the French banned British beef? Has it led to German car manufacturers getting exemplary fines for faking emissions results? Did it mean that the single market in services was completed, which would benefit us, or only that in goods?
The problem, well, one of them, is that the EU paid lip service to its own rules. Even for single currency entry. We, however, tend to actually follow them.
France resisted for three years the EU's mandatory requirement to lift the ban. All other EU countries acted as required, giving.our desperate farmers a lifeline. France is now a major consumer of British beef. In contrast the USA only lifted its ban last year, twenty years after the outbreak. Do you think the EU will be in any hurry to switch access back on again after the next outbreak, as we will now be non members?
And fines against German companies for lying and cheating all these years. The EU finds it easy to fine American companies but almost impossible against German ones.
Well as outsiders we will now get the American treatment. Better make sure those treaties are watertight and don't allow TOO much divergence.
Lol, everything is worse outside the EU, clearly.
Actually, yes. No-one wins from Brexit apart from bureaucrats, some lawyers and possibly some pig farmers. We can lose some or we can lose big. The first is better than the second.
Well, at least we can feel cleaner, no longer being in a bloc of countries which almost without exception define xenophobia as "hating Syrians more than necessary."
Not sure I accept that discrimination of xenophobias, or that cleanliness around it would count as a win.
Having just heard Dominic Raab and the head of the CBI being interviewed by the avuncuar John Pienaar the time has come to be petrified. Leaving is going to be a calamity.
If we're looking for pointers to the next election expect a party to have at the centre of its campaign the offer of a new Referendum and expect them to win by a landslide.
Yet the Lib Dems are under 10%.
It is a catastrophy waiting to happen. Ignore everything that's happened to date. Judgement day is March 29th 2019 and we face catastrophy.
what was the nature of the catastrophe that was revealed on Pienaar? 50 mile lorry queues? No food on shelves?
Having just heard Dominic Raab and the head of the CBI being interviewed by the avuncuar John Pienaar the time has come to be petrified. Leaving is going to be a calamity.
If we're looking for pointers to the next election expect a party to have at the centre of its campaign the offer of a new Referendum and expect them to win by a landslide.
Yet the Lib Dems are under 10%.
It is a catastrophy waiting to happen. Ignore everything that's happened to date. Judgement day is March 29th 2019 and we face catastrophy.
what was the nature of the catastrophe that was revealed on Pienaar? 50 mile lorry queues? No food on shelves?
Haven't we had all that this week?
My sister sent me a picture of the Sainsbury's bread aisle in Winchmore Hill where my parents live. One loaf left.
I wish people would ignore the fact that 52% voted out. 99% of the people who voted didn't have the faintest clue what leaving involved. It was not explained because it couldn't be. I studied politics for two years and scratched the surface Studying the structures and intricacies of the EU would have taken much longer. It's not only our treaties with the EU but the EU's treaties with 52 other countries and even that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Who had enough knowledge to make an informed decision? It's not about Leavers being stupid. It's about all of us being ignorant
I wish people would ignore the fact that 52% voted out. 99% of the people who voted didn't have the faintest clue what the complexities of leaving involved. It was not explained because it couldn't be. I studied politics for two years and scratched the surface Studying the structures and intricacies of the EU would have taken much longer. It's not only our treaties with the EU but the EU's treaties with 52 other countries and even that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Who had enough knowledge to make an informed decision? It's not about Leavers being stupid. It's about all of us being ignorant
Those who want to ignore democracy would end up with....what?
I wish people would ignore the fact that 52% voted out. 99% of the people who voted didn't have the faintest clue what the complexities of leaving involved. It was not explained because it couldn't be. I studied politics for two years and scratched the surface Studying the structures and intricacies of the EU would have taken much longer. It's not only our treaties with the EU but the EU's treaties with 52 other countries and even that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Who had enough knowledge to make an informed decision? It's not about Leavers being stupid. It's about all of us being ignorant
Those who want to ignore democracy would end up with....what?
I wish people would ignore the fact that 52% voted out. 99% of the people who voted didn't have the faintest clue what the complexities of leaving involved. It was not explained because it couldn't be. I studied politics for two years and scratched the surface Studying the structures and intricacies of the EU would have taken much longer. It's not only our treaties with the EU but the EU's treaties with 52 other countries and even that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Who had enough knowledge to make an informed decision? It's not about Leavers being stupid. It's about all of us being ignorant
Those who want to ignore democracy would end up with tyranny.
Yeah, I was speaking to a Lib Dem member about this and I got him to see that ignoring the result would be the worst possible outcome. Sending a message to people that "we will ignore you if we don't like what you have to say" is simply awful and it will see people disengage from politics entirely. A lot of them people who already don't vote very often because of that reason.
The best argument against Adonis would be to make Brexit a success. Not much sign of that at the moment.
What the EU are absolutely shit-scared of happening, is that Brexit is a success. It would completely destroy their project. It’s why they’re so keen on stopping us making trade deals and allowing regulatory divergence.
I very much doubt the EU are scared that Brexit will be a success. A project secured through xenophobic lies leaving the country split down the middle and run by incompetent clowns has only the remotest prospects of success.
I see somebody has undone Meeks' strait-jacket straps long enough for him to punch the keyboard some more.....
A couple of days ago you were moaning about a supposedly offensive tweet. How fast time flies.
You reap the abuse you sow.
I do my best not to attack individual posters in personal terms, instead making my points about wider policy points with carefully referenced criticisms of policy positions and political decisions. I don't always succeed but it is my objective, not least because no one has any great interest in the supposed failings of individual posters.
Leavers as a group on here are remarkably hostile to any criticism of Leave positions, taking them very personally and seeing that as a cue to attack anyone making such points in very personal terms. I suppose guilt can provoke that.
I haven't heard an argument like that since the 80s.
"oh I wasn't attacking you personally, just gays/immigrants/jews as a group"
Um, isn't it to do with Putin's announcement of new weapons last week? Because we're constantly onanisming over Brexit we didn't discuss it. But Putin announced several new weapons systems, none of which we can defend against and one of which (the nuclear powered cruise missile) might explain the radioactivity.
Nuclear reactors work by irradiating something which makes it hot, and you then do stuff with the hot irradiated thing like drive a turbine or provide thrust. Most use the hot irradiated thing to make something else hot (but not irradiated) and do stuff with that, which keeps the hot irradiated thing contained and the reactor safe. But if you are willing to do stuff with the hot irradiated thing directly and release the output into the air, you can make it very powerful at the price of making it very unsafe.
In the 50's the US designed a long-range cruise missile that did exactly that (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto ), which had an very hot, very dirty exhaust that irradiated everything it flew over. The concept was too crazy even for Cold War times and was ditched. If Putin's Russia has built something similar and tested it it would leave a radioactive trail...and of course Northern Polar Russia would be a good place to test it.
I assume this is the reason for the flights you have pointed out
Um, isn't it to do with Putin's announcement of new weapons last week? Because we're constantly onanisming over Brexit we didn't discuss it. But Putin announced several new weapons systems, none of which we can defend against and one of which (the nuclear powered cruise missile) might explain the radioactivity.
Nuclear reactors work by irradiating something which makes it hot, and you then do stuff with the hot irradiated thing like drive a turbine or provide thrust. Most use the hot irradiated thing to make something else hot (but not irradiated) and do stuff with that, which keeps the hot irradiated thing contained and the reactor safe. But if you are willing to do stuff with the hot irradiated thing directly and release the output into the air, you can make it very powerful at the price of making it very unsafe.
In the 50's the US designed a long-range cruise missile that did exactly that (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto ), which had an very hot, very dirty exhaust that irradiated everything it flew over. The concept was too crazy even for Cold War times and was ditched. If Putin's Russia has built something similar and tested it it would leave a radioactive trail...and of course Northern Polar Russia would be a good place to test it.
I assume this is the reason for the flights you have pointed out
Um, isn't it to do with Putin's announcement of new weapons last week? Because we're constantly onanisming over Brexit we didn't discuss it. But Putin announced several new weapons systems, none of which we can defend against and one of which (the nuclear powered cruise missile) might explain the radioactivity.
Nuclear reactors work by irradiating something which makes it hot, and you then do stuff with the hot irradiated thing like drive a turbine or provide thrust. Most use the hot irradiated thing to make something else hot (but not irradiated) and do stuff with that, which keeps the hot irradiated thing contained and the reactor safe. But if you are willing to do stuff with the hot irradiated thing directly and release the output into the air, you can make it very powerful at the price of making it very unsafe.
In the 50's the US designed a long-range cruise missile that did exactly that (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto ), which had an very hot, very dirty exhaust that irradiated everything it flew over. The concept was too crazy even for Cold War times and was ditched. If Putin's Russia has built something similar and tested it it would leave a radioactive trail...and of course Northern Polar Russia would be a good place to test it.
I assume this is the reason for the flights you have pointed out
In February last year there was another of these mysterious spikes in radioactive Iodine across Northern and Western Europe. Not sure they ever got to the bottom of that one.
Um, isn't it to do with Putin's announcement of new weapons last week? Because we're constantly onanisming over Brexit we didn't discuss it. But Putin announced several new weapons systems, none of which we can defend against and one of which (the nuclear powered cruise missile) might explain the radioactivity.
Nuclear reactors work by irradiating something which makes it hot, and you then do stuff with the hot irradiated thing like drive a turbine or provide thrust. Most use the hot irradiated thing to make something else hot (but not irradiated) and do stuff with that, which keeps the hot irradiated thing contained and the reactor safe. But if you are willing to do stuff with the hot irradiated thing directly and release the output into the air, you can make it very powerful at the price of making it very unsafe.
In the 50's the US designed a long-range cruise missile that did exactly that (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto ), which had an very hot, very dirty exhaust that irradiated everything it flew over. The concept was too crazy even for Cold War times and was ditched. If Putin's Russia has built something similar and tested it it would leave a radioactive trail...and of course Northern Polar Russia would be a good place to test it.
I assume this is the reason for the flights you have pointed out
I wish people would ignore the fact that 52% voted out. 99% of the people who voted didn't have the faintest clue what leaving involved. It was not explained because it couldn't be. I studied politics for two years and scratched the surface Studying the structures and intricacies of the EU would have taken much longer. It's not only our treaties with the EU but the EU's treaties with 52 other countries and even that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Who had enough knowledge to make an informed decision? It's not about Leavers being stupid. It's about all of us being ignorant
Many of us had decades to make an informed decision.
Um, isn't it to do with Putin's announcement of new weapons last week? Because we're constantly onanisming over Brexit we didn't discuss it. But Putin announced several new weapons systems, none of which we can defend against and one of which (the nuclear powered cruise missile) might explain the radioactivity.
Nuclear reactors work by irradiating something which makes it hot, and you then do stuff with the hot irradiated thing like drive a turbine or provide thrust. Most use the hot irradiated thing to make something else hot (but not irradiated) and do stuff with that, which keeps the hot irradiated thing contained and the reactor safe. But if you are willing to do stuff with the hot irradiated thing directly and release the output into the air, you can make it very powerful at the price of making it very unsafe.
In the 50's the US designed a long-range cruise missile that did exactly that (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto ), which had an very hot, very dirty exhaust that irradiated everything it flew over. The concept was too crazy even for Cold War times and was ditched. If Putin's Russia has built something similar and tested it it would leave a radioactive trail...and of course Northern Polar Russia would be a good place to test it.
I assume this is the reason for the flights you have pointed out
I suspect the vote will be against; if it was only 55% in favour of even discussing coalition, surely the compromised reality and falling poll numbers will have hit home by now.
Um, isn't it to do with Putin's announcement of new weapons last week?
The Constant Phoenix flights are to investigate iodine-131 emissions near the Russian-Norwegian border.
For Putin's wonder weapons to have caused it they would actually have to exist... It's more likely something has gone not according to plan at a Russian nuclear power plant which has eschewed liberal, western, decadent safety standards.
Putin wanted to say he had a Death Star but his aides talked him down at the last minute.
Um, isn't it to do with Putin's announcement of new weapons last week? Because we're constantly onanisming over Brexit we didn't discuss it. But Putin announced several new weapons systems, none of which we can defend against and one of which (the nuclear powered cruise missile) might explain the radioactivity.
Nuclear reactors work by irradiating something which makes it hot, and you then do stuff with the hot irradiated thing like drive a turbine or provide thrust. Most use the hot irradiated thing to make something else hot (but not irradiated) and do stuff with that, which keeps the hot irradiated thing contained and the reactor safe. But if you are willing to do stuff with the hot irradiated thing directly and release the output into the air, you can make it very powerful at the price of making it very unsafe.
In the 50's the US designed a long-range cruise missile that did exactly that (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto ), which had an very hot, very dirty exhaust that irradiated everything it flew over. The concept was too crazy even for Cold War times and was ditched. If Putin's Russia has built something similar and tested it it would leave a radioactive trail...and of course Northern Polar Russia would be a good place to test it.
I assume this is the reason for the flights you have pointed out
Um, isn't it to do with Putin's announcement of new weapons last week? Because we're constantly onanisming over Brexit we didn't discuss it. But Putin announced several new weapons systems, none of which we can defend against and one of which (the nuclear powered cruise missile) might explain the radioactivity.
Nuclear reactors work by irradiating something which makes it hot, and you then do stuff with the hot irradiated thing like drive a turbine or provide thrust. Most use the hot irradiated thing to make something else hot (but not irradiated) and do stuff with that, which keeps the hot irradiated thing contained and the reactor safe. But if you are willing to do stuff with the hot irradiated thing directly and release the output into the air, you can make it very powerful at the price of making it very unsafe.
In the 50's the US designed a long-range cruise missile that did exactly that (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto ), which had an very hot, very dirty exhaust that irradiated everything it flew over. The concept was too crazy even for Cold War times and was ditched. If Putin's Russia has built something similar and tested it it would leave a radioactive trail...and of course Northern Polar Russia would be a good place to test it.
I assume this is the reason for the flights you have pointed out
I’m gonna take a wild guess that Putin’s announcement of a nuclear-thrusted rocket is bollocks, and aimed only at his own electorate who vote next week to re-elect him. The animations that went with his press conference we already know were from a video game.
What’s clearly not bollocks is the higher radiation levels which have been evident for a month or two along the Russian/Norwegian border. The plane flying around now is potentially looking at both issues.
Mr. Meeks, British politicians, including Cameron, had long supported Turkey joining the EU. That was no lie. Nor was Turkey being in the process of joining it.
I imagine you'd be displeased to be described as a traitor. Things will only cool down when slurs stop flying in both directions.
Mr. Z, the Italian result could be rather interesting. Got a small bet on Five Star getting most seats.
Leave want Brexit to be a success. They need to start thinking how they’re going to create the necessary conditions for that to be possible. Because right now they’re doubling down on the xenophobic lies, doubling down on cementing the divisions and putting next to no energy into identifying what a good Brexit looks like.
You are absolutely possessed with your 'xenophobic lies' comments when in truth a very small number of people expressed such views. Wanting to control immigration to the UK to suit our economic needs is not xenophobic, wanting to control our borders and money is the expectation that our people have of their elected representatives
There is a xenophobic dimension to Brexit. It isn't discussed much, but it definitely exists, lurking not far under the surface. You see it every time people suggest we have more in common with NZ, Aus and Canada. It would be good to see it tackled directly by the government. Brexit would be better off if it were.
I consider I have close ties to New Zealand and Canada not least because my eldest son emigrated to New Zealand 14 years ago and has since married a Canadian and lives in Canada but to consider that attitude is xenophobic is offensive
So you understand why Brexit, especially talk of hard borders and immigrants, is upsetting to people with family and friends in Europe.
Indeed - all the hard border talk from the EU is neither nice nor helpful.
Well, if you can blame somebody else, that makes everything OK then.
I wish people would ignore the fact that 52% voted out. 99% of the people who voted didn't have the faintest clue what the complexities of leaving involved. It was not explained because it couldn't be. I studied politics for two years and scratched the surface Studying the structures and intricacies of the EU would have taken much longer. It's not only our treaties with the EU but the EU's treaties with 52 other countries and even that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Who had enough knowledge to make an informed decision? It's not about Leavers being stupid. It's about all of us being ignorant
Those who want to ignore democracy would end up with tyranny.
Yeah, I was speaking to a Lib Dem member about this and I got him to see that ignoring the result would be the worst possible outcome. Sending a message to people that "we will ignore you if we don't like what you have to say" is simply awful and it will see people disengage from politics entirely. A lot of them people who already don't vote very often because of that reason.
To be fair, it could be that Brexiting, suffering the relative decline that seems almost inevitable and seeing our neighbours doing so much better might be the way to go. We could then have a pro Second Referendum party in 2027 or so sweeping to power. Or possibly even a ‘lets just rejoin’ part winning a majority at that election.
Morning Gin , It seems all consuming on here.Luckily not outside in most people's lives.
I've been hoping lovely Rogerdarums would give us his Oscars run-down as a distraction from Br*xit but not this year it seems...
I said as i came out of the cinema that Three Bllboards was likely to win best film best director and best actress and best script. About a month later I saw the 'Shape of Water' and was torn. Probaby 'Three Billboards' best film and 'Shape of Water' best director.
Either of their lead actresses could get Best Actress. Probably Frances McDormand for 'Three Billboards' but Sally Hawkins was brilliant in 'Shape of Water'. Also Best Art Direction almost certainly for 'Shape of Water'.
Finally and outside of these two films Soirsee Ronan in 'Lady Bird' as an outside choice for best actress. I might be prejudiced because she's a Dubliner but she was brilliant.
I didn't do a full list this year because though it was a fantastic year for film it was castastrophic for politics.
It’s outrageous: a poll taken in Winchmore Hill in deepest Remania!
Real people would’ve chosen the true world flavour pineapple. This is merely reflective of the metropolitan elite’s scathing contempt for proper straightforward combinations such as ham and the blessed pineapple. If we are going to be kept rigidly in alignment with namby pamby Euro flavours such as Quattro Stagione, or garlic and porcini with ricotta, or(God preserve us) an over use of fennel, we are never going to be able to take advantage of a world of flavours out there such as Peruvian anchovy, Pacific Tuna, and and other tropical fruits.
I demand an other vote until I get the pineapple I want!
I suspect the vote will be against; if it was only 55% in favour of even discussing coalition, surely the compromised reality and falling poll numbers will have hit home by now.
I wish people would ignore the fact that 52% voted out. 99% of the people who voted didn't have the faintest clue what leaving involved. It was not explained because it couldn't be. I studied politics for two years and scratched the surface Studying the structures and intricacies of the EU would have taken much longer. It's not only our treaties with the EU but the EU's treaties with 52 other countries and even that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Who had enough knowledge to make an informed decision? It's not about Leavers being stupid. It's about all of us being ignorant
Many of us had decades to make an informed decision.
TBH, Mr Owl, as a Remainer, I’m on your side on this particular issue, . Roger’s ‘superiority complex’ irks me more than somewhat. And, IMHO doesn’t help!
I suspect the vote will be against; if it was only 55% in favour of even discussing coalition, surely the compromised reality and falling poll numbers will have hit home by now.
Ha, I see the vote was for.
SDP clearly want to come 3rd in the next elections as well as propping up a leader who is well known for amazingly unpopular decisions.
Morning Gin , It seems all consuming on here.Luckily not outside in most people's lives.
I've been hoping lovely Rogerdarums would give us his Oscars run-down as a distraction from Br*xit but not this year it seems...
I said as i came out of the cinema that Three Bllboards was likely to win best film best director and best actress. About a month later I saw the 'Shape of Water' and was torn. Probaby 'Three Billboards' best film and 'Shape of Water' best director.
Either of their lead actresses could get Best Actress. Probably Frances McDormand for 'Three Billboards' but Sally Hawkins was brilliant in 'Shape of Water'. Also Best Art Direction almost certainly for 'Shape of Water'.
Finally and outside of these two films Soirsee Ronan in 'Lady Bird' as an outside choice for best actress. I might be prejudiced because she's a Dubliner but she was brilliant.
I didn't do a full one this year because though it was a fantastic year for film it was castastrophic for politics.
Hopefully Roger Deakins will finally get his much deserved Cinematography Oscar. Even ignoring the brilliance on Bladerunner 2049, there are at least half a dozen Coen Brothers' films where he should have got it.
I wish people would ignore the fact that 52% voted out. 99% of the people who voted didn't have the faintest clue what leaving involved. It was not explained because it couldn't be. I studied politics for two years and scratched the surface Studying the structures and intricacies of the EU would have taken much longer. It's not only our treaties with the EU but the EU's treaties with 52 other countries and even that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Who had enough knowledge to make an informed decision? It's not about Leavers being stupid. It's about all of us being ignorant
Many of us had decades to make an informed decision.
TBH, Mr Owl, as a Remainer, I’m on your side on this particular issue, . Roger’s ‘superiority complex’ irks me more than somewhat. And, IMHO doesn’t help!
Thank you. I’m sure Roger is a nice bloke, and I like to think I am too when I clean my knuckles from the constant scraping they get as I practice my somewhat wobbly bipedalism.
Be in no doubt. Theresa May’s watershed Brexit speech on Friday was a sobering defeat for the UK. It was a defeat for the Leavers’ vision of a sovereign country freed from the constraints imposed by European politicians, laws and regulations. It was a defeat for those who voted Remain and hoped against hope that Britain would, at the last moment, draw back from this gross act of national self-harm.
May’s speech, signalling a fundamental parting of the ways, was a defeat for the business people, trade unionists and community leaders who rightly fear for the country’s future prosperity, cohesion and jobs. It was a defeat for young people, British and European, who, more so than older generations, will perforce inhabit an ugly new world of harder borders, work permits, bureaucracy and pervasive state intrusion.
The gaunt post-Brexit future towards which May is stubbornly leading us will make Britain a poorer, meaner, lonelier and shabbier place, hostile to immigrants yet badly in need of their skills, struggling to maintain its trade across the barriers we ourselves erected, and exploited by the world’s big economies whose governments and multinationals, imposing unequal trade treaties, will take what they want and leave the rest.
I suspect the vote will be against; if it was only 55% in favour of even discussing coalition, surely the compromised reality and falling poll numbers will have hit home by now.
Eh? The vote that was 66% in favour you mean.
Mea culpa. I thought decision was coming tomorrow morning, but has in fact already been announced.
I'm quite surprised, to be honest. This makes the AfD the opposition too, doesn't it....?
Be in no doubt. Theresa May’s watershed Brexit speech on Friday was a sobering defeat for the UK. It was a defeat for the Leavers’ vision of a sovereign country freed from the constraints imposed by European politicians, laws and regulations. It was a defeat for those who voted Remain and hoped against hope that Britain would, at the last moment, draw back from this gross act of national self-harm.
May’s speech, signalling a fundamental parting of the ways, was a defeat for the business people, trade unionists and community leaders who rightly fear for the country’s future prosperity, cohesion and jobs. It was a defeat for young people, British and European, who, more so than older generations, will perforce inhabit an ugly new world of harder borders, work permits, bureaucracy and pervasive state intrusion.
The gaunt post-Brexit future towards which May is stubbornly leading us will make Britain a poorer, meaner, lonelier and shabbier place, hostile to immigrants yet badly in need of their skills, struggling to maintain its trade across the barriers we ourselves erected, and exploited by the world’s big economies whose governments and multinationals, imposing unequal trade treaties, will take what they want and leave the rest.
Morning Gin , It seems all consuming on here.Luckily not outside in most people's lives.
I've been hoping lovely Rogerdarums would give us his Oscars run-down as a distraction from Br*xit but not this year it seems...
I said as i came out of the cinema that Three Bllboards was likely to win best film best director and best actress and best script. About a month later I saw the 'Shape of Water' and was torn. Probaby 'Three Billboards' best film and 'Shape of Water' best director.
Either of their lead actresses could get Best Actress. Probably Frances McDormand for 'Three Billboards' but Sally Hawkins was brilliant in 'Shape of Water'. Also Best Art Direction almost certainly for 'Shape of Water'.
Finally and outside of these two films Soirsee Ronan in 'Lady Bird' as an outside choice for best actress. I might be prejudiced because she's a Dubliner but she was brilliant.
I didn't do a full list this year because though it was a fantastic year for film it was castastrophic for politics.
Sally Hawkins looks worth a punt at 30 on BF, and I have had a nibble on Soirsee Ronan too.
Morning Gin , It seems all consuming on here.Luckily not outside in most people's lives.
I've been hoping lovely Rogerdarums would give us his Oscars run-down as a distraction from Br*xit but not this year it seems...
I said as i came out of the cinema that Three Bllboards was likely to win best film best director and best actress. About a month later I saw the 'Shape of Water' and was torn. Probaby 'Three Billboards' best film and 'Shape of Water' best director.
Either of their lead actresses could get Best Actress. Probably Frances McDormand for 'Three Billboards' but Sally Hawkins was brilliant in 'Shape of Water'. Also Best Art Direction almost certainly for 'Shape of Water'.
Finally and outside of these two films Soirsee Ronan in 'Lady Bird' as an outside choice for best actress. I might be prejudiced because she's a Dubliner but she was brilliant.
I didn't do a full one this year because though it was a fantastic year for film it was castastrophic for politics.
Hopefully Roger Deakins will finally get his much deserved Cinematography Oscar. Even ignoring the brilliance on Bladerunner 2049, there are at least half a dozen Coen Brothers' films where he should have got it.
Dunkirk had brilliant Cinematography too, but probably more likely for editing.
Morning Gin , It seems all consuming on here.Luckily not outside in most people's lives.
I've been hoping lovely Rogerdarums would give us his Oscars run-down as a distraction from Br*xit but not this year it seems...
I said as i came out of the cinema that Three Bllboards was likely to win best film best director and best actress and best script. About a month later I saw the 'Shape of Water' and was torn. Probaby 'Three Billboards' best film and 'Shape of Water' best director.
Either of their lead actresses could get Best Actress. Probably Frances McDormand for 'Three Billboards' but Sally Hawkins was brilliant in 'Shape of Water'. Also Best Art Direction almost certainly for 'Shape of Water'.
Finally and outside of these two films Soirsee Ronan in 'Lady Bird' as an outside choice for best actress. I might be prejudiced because she's a Dubliner but she was brilliant.
I didn't do a full list this year because though it was a fantastic year for film it was castastrophic for politics.
Be in no doubt. Theresa May’s watershed Brexit speech on Friday was a sobering defeat for the UK. It was a defeat for the Leavers’ vision of a sovereign country freed from the constraints imposed by European politicians, laws and regulations. It was a defeat for those who voted Remain and hoped against hope that Britain would, at the last moment, draw back from this gross act of national self-harm.
May’s speech, signalling a fundamental parting of the ways, was a defeat for the business people, trade unionists and community leaders who rightly fear for the country’s future prosperity, cohesion and jobs. It was a defeat for young people, British and European, who, more so than older generations, will perforce inhabit an ugly new world of harder borders, work permits, bureaucracy and pervasive state intrusion.
The gaunt post-Brexit future towards which May is stubbornly leading us will make Britain a poorer, meaner, lonelier and shabbier place, hostile to immigrants yet badly in need of their skills, struggling to maintain its trade across the barriers we ourselves erected, and exploited by the world’s big economies whose governments and multinationals, imposing unequal trade treaties, will take what they want and leave the rest.
Morning Gin , It seems all consuming on here.Luckily not outside in most people's lives.
I've been hoping lovely Rogerdarums would give us his Oscars run-down as a distraction from Br*xit but not this year it seems...
I said as i came out of the cinema that Three Bllboards was likely to win best film best director and best actress and best script. About a month later I saw the 'Shape of Water' and was torn. Probaby 'Three Billboards' best film and 'Shape of Water' best director.
Either of their lead actresses could get Best Actress. Probably Frances McDormand for 'Three Billboards' but Sally Hawkins was brilliant in 'Shape of Water'. Also Best Art Direction almost certainly for 'Shape of Water'.
Finally and outside of these two films Soirsee Ronan in 'Lady Bird' as an outside choice for best actress. I might be prejudiced because she's a Dubliner but she was brilliant.
I didn't do a full list this year because though it was a fantastic year for film it was castastrophic for politics.
I wish people would ignore the fact that 52% voted out. 99% of the people who voted didn't have the faintest clue what leaving involved. It was not explained because it couldn't be. I studied politics for two years and scratched the surface Studying the structures and intricacies of the EU would have taken much longer. It's not only our treaties with the EU but the EU's treaties with 52 other countries and even that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Who had enough knowledge to make an informed decision? It's not about Leavers being stupid. It's about all of us being ignorant
Many of us had decades to make an informed decision.
TBH, Mr Owl, as a Remainer, I’m on your side on this particular issue, . Roger’s ‘superiority complex’ irks me more than somewhat. And, IMHO doesn’t help!
Thank you. I’m sure Roger is a nice bloke, and I like to think I am too when I clean my knuckles from the constant scraping they get as I practice my somewhat wobbly bipedalism.
Indeed; I’m sure we’d all get along splendidly over a pint.
The Meekoid is yet again showing that he is a hypocrite, denier and a z-rated troll. Both sides in this debate are coalitions and we have to accept compromises.
Junior and myself have advocated open-borders, with benefit reforms, but also accept that both sides of this debate oppose this for puritanical purposes. Post-Brexit Eu citizens will have to meet the same qualifications as UK subjects: Why he thinks they should not be conformant to English-Law puzzles me.
:vapid:
Maybe he thinks they will be in Scotland and not beholding to Little Englanders
Having just heard Dominic Raab and the head of the CBI being interviewed by the avuncuar John Pienaar the time has come to be petrified. Leaving is going to be a calamity.
If we're looking for pointers to the next election expect a party to have at the centre of its campaign the offer of a new Referendum and expect them to win by a landslide.
Nah, it won't be so bad as that. May will cave in to the EU27 on all but a few symbolic issues, such as "the British Sausage". That is what her speech pointed to, and the Brexiteers will have to suck it up.
We will be out of the club , forced to obey all their rules and paying twice as much for the privilege, but we may have Blue passports to salve our wounds.
I suspect the vote will be against; if it was only 55% in favour of even discussing coalition, surely the compromised reality and falling poll numbers will have hit home by now.
Eh? The vote that was 66% in favour you mean.
Mea culpa. I thought decision was coming tomorrow morning, but has in fact already been announced.
I'm quite surprised, to be honest. This makes the AfD the opposition too, doesn't it....?
Roger usually relinquishes the -damus suffix for the Oscars, so it is going a-begging..
Some of you may be familiar with the concept of a "cold read": statements that sound wise but are useless because they're always true, like a fortune-teller saying "you went thru a bit of a rough patch in your teens" or a doctor saying "it might be a good idea if you gave up smoking". With that in mind, may I uselessly opine that (sucks teeth) "Oooh, the field for Best Supporting Actress looks a bit tight this year"...
Um, isn't it to do with Putin's announcement of new weapons last week? Because we're constantly onanisming over Brexit we didn't discuss it. But Putin announced several new weapons systems, none of which we can defend against and one of which (the nuclear powered cruise missile) might explain the radioactivity.
Nuclear reactors work by irradiating something which makes it hot, and you then do stuff with the hot irradiated thing like drive a turbine or provide thrust. Most use the hot irradiated thing to make something else hot (but not irradiated) and do stuff with that, which keeps the hot irradiated thing contained and the reactor safe. But if you are willing to do stuff with the hot irradiated thing directly and release the output into the air, you can make it very powerful at the price of making it very unsafe.
In the 50's the US designed a long-range cruise missile that did exactly that (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto ), which had an very hot, very dirty exhaust that irradiated everything it flew over. The concept was too crazy even for Cold War times and was ditched. If Putin's Russia has built something similar and tested it it would leave a radioactive trail...and of course Northern Polar Russia would be a good place to test it.
I assume this is the reason for the flights you have pointed out
I wish people would ignore the fact that 52% voted out. 99% of the people who voted didn't have the faintest clue what leaving involved. It was not explained because it couldn't be. I studied politics for two years and scratched the surface Studying the structures and intricacies of the EU would have taken much longer. It's not only our treaties with the EU but the EU's treaties with 52 other countries and even that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Who had enough knowledge to make an informed decision? It's not about Leavers being stupid. It's about all of us being ignorant
I try to be charitable and tell myself you just have no self awareness and are clueless
Mr. G, are you still wanting Scotland to be out of the EU? Curious as to whether you're just lamenting the execution of the decision to leave, or disagree with the decision itself.
Um, isn't it to do with Putin's announcement of new weapons last week? Because we're constantly onanisming over Brexit we didn't discuss it. But Putin announced several new weapons systems, none of which we can defend against and one of which (the nuclear powered cruise missile) might explain the radioactivity.
Nuclear reactors work by irradiating something which makes it hot, and you then do stuff with the hot irradiated thing like drive a turbine or provide thrust. Most use the hot irradiated thing to make something else hot (but not irradiated) and do stuff with that, which keeps the hot irradiated thing contained and the reactor safe. But if you are willing to do stuff with the hot irradiated thing directly and release the output into the air, you can make it very powerful at the price of making it very unsafe.
In the 50's the US designed a long-range cruise missile that did exactly that (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto ), which had an very hot, very dirty exhaust that irradiated everything it flew over. The concept was too crazy even for Cold War times and was ditched. If Putin's Russia has built something similar and tested it it would leave a radioactive trail...and of course Northern Polar Russia would be a good place to test it.
I assume this is the reason for the flights you have pointed out
I note that the name of Project Pluto's engine was 'Tory'. I guess this is because, like the Tory party, it sh*ts awful things over everything it passes over?
And thanks for the post. The the US and NASA are starting to look at this sort of thing for space applications, e.g. updated NERVA designs. Though they're mostly going down the nuclear power road atm, with things like Kilopower.
Project Pluto was even crazier than the Convair NBH-36, a nuclear-powered bomber, which was actually flown with the reactor operational (though it was never powered by it) A MW-class reactor flying through the skies! Some of the ground handling equipment for it had to be impressively shielded, and the plane's crew compartment was made from thick lead.
Scottish Labour leader Richard Leonard is facing a challenge to his authority with the creation of a new anti-Brexit campaign group within the party — led by his predecessor Kezia Dugdale.
Scottish Labour for the Single Market will fight for the party to support permanent UK membership of the European Single Market and Customs Union — in contrast with Leonard’s more Eurosceptic tone. The grassroots campaign, aimed at protecting jobs, opposing austerity and defending workers’ rights, is co-chaired by Dugdale, Catherine Stihler MEP and Ian Murray MP.
With the support of members across the country, Scottish Labour can join forces with the trade union movement, Welsh Labour and London mayor Sadiq Khan in persuading Labour to back permanent UK membership of the single market, it claims.
Ian Murray playing games, or trying to. He's lost the argument and a lot of support within new party members. Too many now realise that he was the one giving duff info from Westminster about Corbyn's position and the supposed New Labour revival. In 2017 GE, SLHQ were keeping the money in the bank account in preparation for the planned Party leadership elections after Corbyn was "retired". Too many members in the CLP's were denied leadership and resources to fight the GE, with the result that far from kicking at an open SNP door, the Tories took 12 + 1 seats, and a very surprised SL leadership won 6 +1, with a very high proportion of SNP seats with SL second, with only a very small swing needed to win. Kez's coat, already on a very shooglie hook, along with other senior SL party leaders, was in danger of being cast aside at the next SLP conference.
Be in no doubt. Theresa May’s watershed Brexit speech on Friday was a sobering defeat for the UK. It was a defeat for the Leavers’ vision of a sovereign country freed from the constraints imposed by European politicians, laws and regulations. It was a defeat for those who voted Remain and hoped against hope that Britain would, at the last moment, draw back from this gross act of national self-harm.
May’s speech, signalling a fundamental parting of the ways, was a defeat for the business people, trade unionists and community leaders who rightly fear for the country’s future prosperity, cohesion and jobs. It was a defeat for young people, British and European, who, more so than older generations, will perforce inhabit an ugly new world of harder borders, work permits, bureaucracy and pervasive state intrusion.
The gaunt post-Brexit future towards which May is stubbornly leading us will make Britain a poorer, meaner, lonelier and shabbier place, hostile to immigrants yet badly in need of their skills, struggling to maintain its trade across the barriers we ourselves erected, and exploited by the world’s big economies whose governments and multinationals, imposing unequal trade treaties, will take what they want and leave the rest.
Doesn’t really say what it didn’t like about he speech other than she is a Tory, she is following the referendum result and that bad things might happen in the future.
Apart from that it’s just a crywank about losing the referendum.
Top single party, yes, maybe M5S. However, I don't remember how FI and Lega divided FPTP constituencies between themselves. FI have a chance to be also the party with most seats if they win a lot in the South (many FI-M5S contests in FPTP constituencies there, I suppose)
It is sometimes opined on here that Jezza appeals only to a North London intelligencia. However some of his biggest swings were well away from Islington. Locally I was surprised to see him get 30% of the vote in Harborough, a similar figure in Huntington (20 years ago the Tories safest seat) and in Cambourne, where I think the Metropolitan elite are thin on the ground. I also note that the Jezza football song first started when he addressed a crowd at Tranmere Rovers.
It seems that Jezza refreshes the parts that other politicians struggle to reach. Not good news for my own party, which is in the doldrums on its 30th Birthday today, under the Invisible Man.
It is sometimes opined on here that Jezza appeals only to a North London intelligencia. However some of his biggest swings were well away from Islington. Locally I was surprised to see him get 30% of the vote in Harborough, a similar figure in Huntington (20 years ago the Tories safest seat) and in Cambourne, where I think the Metropolitan elite are thin on the ground. I also note that the Jezza football song first started when he addressed a crowd at Tranmere Rovers.
It seems that Jezza refreshes the parts that other politicians struggle to reach. Not good news for my own party, which is in the doldrums on its 30th Birthday today, under the Invisible Man.
Be in no doubt. Theresa May’s watershed Brexit speech on Friday was a sobering defeat for the UK. It was a defeat for the Leavers’ vision of a sovereign country freed from the constraints imposed by European politicians, laws and regulations. It was a defeat for those who voted Remain and hoped against hope that Britain would, at the last moment, draw back from this gross act of national self-harm.
May’s speech, signalling a fundamental parting of the ways, was a defeat for the business people, trade unionists and community leaders who rightly fear for the country’s future prosperity, cohesion and jobs. It was a defeat for young people, British and European, who, more so than older generations, will perforce inhabit an ugly new world of harder borders, work permits, bureaucracy and pervasive state intrusion.
The gaunt post-Brexit future towards which May is stubbornly leading us will make Britain a poorer, meaner, lonelier and shabbier place, hostile to immigrants yet badly in need of their skills, struggling to maintain its trade across the barriers we ourselves erected, and exploited by the world’s big economies whose governments and multinationals, imposing unequal trade treaties, will take what they want and leave the rest.
Mr. G, are you still wanting Scotland to be out of the EU? Curious as to whether you're just lamenting the execution of the decision to leave, or disagree with the decision itself.
I want Scotland in the EU. Even more given the pig's ear the UK are making of Brexit. May or Corbyn , what a choice for the future.
Scottish Labour leader Richard Leonard is facing a challenge to his authority with the creation of a new anti-Brexit campaign group within the party — led by his predecessor Kezia Dugdale.
Scottish Labour for the Single Market will fight for the party to support permanent UK membership of the European Single Market and Customs Union — in contrast with Leonard’s more Eurosceptic tone. The grassroots campaign, aimed at protecting jobs, opposing austerity and defending workers’ rights, is co-chaired by Dugdale, Catherine Stihler MEP and Ian Murray MP.
With the support of members across the country, Scottish Labour can join forces with the trade union movement, Welsh Labour and London mayor Sadiq Khan in persuading Labour to back permanent UK membership of the single market, it claims.
Ian Murray playing games, or trying to. He's lost the argument and a lot of support within new party members. Too many now realise that he was the one giving duff info from Westminster about Corbyn's position and the supposed New Labour revival. In 2017 GE, SLHQ were keeping the money in the bank account in preparation for the planned Party leadership elections after Corbyn was "retired". Too many members in the CLP's were denied leadership and resources to fight the GE, with the result that far from kicking at an open SNP door, the Tories took 12 + 1 seats, and a very surprised SL leadership won 6 +1, with a very high proportion of SNP seats with SL second, with only a very small swing needed to win. Kez's coat, already on a very shooglie hook, along with other senior SL party leaders, was in danger of being cast aside at the next SLP conference.
Morons fiddling with deckchairs more like. SL have no money and only survive on payouts from their puppet masters. Likewise they have no coherent policies or policies and are often reduced to abstaining from their own amendments, totally useless bunch of toerags.
I wish people would ignore the fact that 52% voted out. 99% of the people who voted didn't have the faintest clue what leaving involved. It was not explained because it couldn't be. I studied politics for two years and scratched the surface Studying the structures and intricacies of the EU would have taken much longer. It's not only our treaties with the EU but the EU's treaties with 52 other countries and even that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Who had enough knowledge to make an informed decision? It's not about Leavers being stupid. It's about all of us being ignorant
The question on the EU Referendum was unambiguous in it construct and, whilst the route to achieving the implementation of the decision was/is open for debate, the destination is not.
Your poor logical reasoning would lead to a corollary that no General Election result could be considered legitimate considering the arguments in that process are far more nuanced and hardly anyone reads a manifesto.
Be in no doubt. Theresa May’s watershed Brexit speech on Friday was a sobering defeat for the UK. It was a defeat for the Leavers’ vision of a sovereign country freed from the constraints imposed by European politicians, laws and regulations. It was a defeat for those who voted Remain and hoped against hope that Britain would, at the last moment, draw back from this gross act of national self-harm.
May’s speech, signalling a fundamental parting of the ways, was a defeat for the business people, trade unionists and community leaders who rightly fear for the country’s future prosperity, cohesion and jobs. It was a defeat for young people, British and European, who, more so than older generations, will perforce inhabit an ugly new world of harder borders, work permits, bureaucracy and pervasive state intrusion.
The gaunt post-Brexit future towards which May is stubbornly leading us will make Britain a poorer, meaner, lonelier and shabbier place, hostile to immigrants yet badly in need of their skills, struggling to maintain its trade across the barriers we ourselves erected, and exploited by the world’s big economies whose governments and multinationals, imposing unequal trade treaties, will take what they want and leave the rest.
Nice that it is the Remainers and not the Brexiteers for once who have such blind faith in their certainties over Brexit.
Be in no doubt. That is all the Remainers have to hold onto. "Be in no doubt, Brexit will be a shit-fest. (Or else, we Remainers are all going to look like twats....)"
Reasonable remainers and leavers understood the pragmatic tone and accepted that both sides will have to move towards the middle.
Except that is the problem
For may to get anything she wants, the EU have to move.
They have shown no willingness to do so.
So where does that leave us?
Personally I hope the EU continue to show the intransigence they have displayed so far.
May should continue to offer concessions up to the limit of reasonableness and hopefully they will not be reciprocated leaving us with a deal that is one sided.
Knowing the psyche of the British public this won't be forgotten or forgiven and will remove any possibility of us rejoining for generations especially once the press have whipped up a suitable amount of outrage (they will).
The question on the EU Referendum was unambiguous in it construct and, whilst the route to achieving the implementation of the decision was/is open for debate, the destination is not.
Wrong again.
Government have conflated the implementation with the decision. they have stated in terms that certain destinations would be a "betrayal" of the vote, which is bollocks.
Before the vote, many leavers said laving the single market was project fear.
Dear oh dear, it has gone up a paltry 140 PTS since the end of the last millennium, but back then sterling bought 1.6 euros and dollars !
To gloat, for just a moment, in November 1999 my father sold all his equities to buy real assets... apart from a tactical play in 2003 he was out of the market until 2008...
I wish people would ignore the fact that 52% voted out. 99% of the people who voted didn't have the faintest clue what leaving involved. It was not explained because it couldn't be. I studied politics for two years and scratched the surface Studying the structures and intricacies of the EU would have taken much longer. It's not only our treaties with the EU but the EU's treaties with 52 other countries and even that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Who had enough knowledge to make an informed decision? It's not about Leavers being stupid. It's about all of us being ignorant
The question on the EU Referendum was unambiguous in it construct and, whilst the route to achieving the implementation of the decision was/is open for debate, the destination is not.
Your poor logical reasoning would lead to a corollary that no General Election result could be considered legitimate considering the arguments in that process are far more nuanced and hardly anyone reads a manifesto.
One year after Brexit, 86%+ of the votes cast were for parties pledging to implement Brexit. Despite a party pledging to overturn Brexit being available to most. If people took more than a year to decide they had been sold a pup - aren't exactly racing to change their mind, are they?
It is sometimes opined on here that Jezza appeals only to a North London intelligencia. However some of his biggest swings were well away from Islington. Locally I was surprised to see him get 30% of the vote in Harborough, a similar figure in Huntington (20 years ago the Tories safest seat) and in Cambourne, where I think the Metropolitan elite are thin on the ground. I also note that the Jezza football song first started when he addressed a crowd at Tranmere Rovers.
Yup - as me and @Pulpstar were saying the other day, Corbyn didn't get disproportionately big increases in metropolitan or 'Remain' seats. The increase in the Labour vote was actually very consistent across all regions and all kinds of seats in England -- they increased their vote in London by +10.8%, which was only very slightly bigger than their England-wide increase of +10.3%. And their biggest increase of all was in the very non-metropolitan and Leave-voting South West, of +11.5% (including, as you say, some particularly spectacular increases in Cornwall).
It was the Conservative vote that varied much more wildly, they increased much more in Brexity and non-metropolitan seats (where there were many more UKIP votes to be gained) than elsewhere - but the Labour vote increase was very even and consistent.
Personally I hope the EU continue to show the intransigence they have displayed so far.
May should continue to offer concessions up to the limit of reasonableness and hopefully they will not be reciprocated leaving us with a deal that is one sided.
Knowing the psyche of the British public this won't be forgotten or forgiven and will remove any possibility of us rejoining for generations especially once the press have whipped up a suitable amount of outrage (they will).
The Black Night lives
We may be worse off, but living in our own shit will show those foreign johnnies just what they are missing, eh?
It is sometimes opined on here that Jezza appeals only to a North London intelligencia. However some of his biggest swings were well away from Islington. Locally I was surprised to see him get 30% of the vote in Harborough, a similar figure in Huntington (20 years ago the Tories safest seat) and in Cambourne, where I think the Metropolitan elite are thin on the ground. I also note that the Jezza football song first started when he addressed a crowd at Tranmere Rovers.
Yup - as me and @Pulpstar were saying the other day, Corbyn didn't get disproportionately big increases in metropolitan or 'Remain' seats. The increase in the Labour vote was actually very consistent across all regions and all kinds of seats in England -- they increased their vote in London by +10.8%, which was only very slightly bigger than their England-wide increase of +10.3%. And their biggest increase of all was in the very non-metropolitan and Leave-voting South West, of +11.5% (including, as you say, some particularly spectacular increases in Cornwall).
It was the Conservative vote that varied much more wildly, they increased much more in Brexity and non-metropolitan seats (where there were many more UKIP votes to be gained) than elsewhere - but the Labour vote increase was very even and consistent.
Corbyn with his anti EU history was able to appeal to Brexit voting areas while increasing the Labpur vote in metropolitan areas to with his anti austerity and anti tuition fees message
Reasonable remainers and leavers understood the pragmatic tone and accepted that both sides will have to move towards the middle.
Except that is the problem
For may to get anything she wants, the EU have to move.
They have shown no willingness to do so.
So where does that leave us?
Personally I hope the EU continue to show the intransigence they have displayed so far.
May should continue to offer concessions up to the limit of reasonableness and hopefully they will not be reciprocated leaving us with a deal that is one sided.
Knowing the psyche of the British public this won't be forgotten or forgiven and will remove any possibility of us rejoining for generations especially once the press have whipped up a suitable amount of outrage (they will).
And you think the UK will pull together as a result of this?
Reasonable remainers and leavers understood the pragmatic tone and accepted that both sides will have to move towards the middle.
Except that is the problem
For may to get anything she wants, the EU have to move.
They have shown no willingness to do so.
So where does that leave us?
Personally I hope the EU continue to show the intransigence they have displayed so far.
May should continue to offer concessions up to the limit of reasonableness and hopefully they will not be reciprocated leaving us with a deal that is one sided.
Knowing the psyche of the British public this won't be forgotten or forgiven and will remove any possibility of us rejoining for generations especially once the press have whipped up a suitable amount of outrage (they will).
And you think the UK will pull together as a result of this?
I don't doubt that the ultra-remainers will never reconcile themselves to leaving the EU and it will continue to eat them up for many years.
Cheers, Dr. Parma. Hope you're having nicer weather than us.
Mr. G, change in position, no? I'm not attacking you for it, just checking I remembered correctly.
MD, Given their subsequent behaviour and grabbing back of all the devolved powers to Westminster it has proven totally that we can never trust Westminster to act in the interests of Scotland , they are only interested in retaining power for themselves regardless of impact on Scotland. The sooner we get our next referendum going the better.
Personally I hope the EU continue to show the intransigence they have displayed so far.
May should continue to offer concessions up to the limit of reasonableness and hopefully they will not be reciprocated leaving us with a deal that is one sided.
Knowing the psyche of the British public this won't be forgotten or forgiven and will remove any possibility of us rejoining for generations especially once the press have whipped up a suitable amount of outrage (they will).
The Black Night lives
We may be worse off, but living in our own shit will show those foreign johnnies just what they are missing, eh?
'living in our own shit'
Good grief, you win the most ludicrous post of the day award.
I don't doubt that the ultra-remainers will never reconcile themselves to leaving the EU and it will continue to eat them up for many years.
It's almost certainly true that there will be decades to come of instances where "bad" things happen, and there will be cries in Parliament and elsewhere of "this would not have happened if we were members of the EU", but it will not be ultra-remainers that are wailing and gnashing their teeth
It is sometimes opined on here that Jezza appeals only to a North London intelligencia. However some of his biggest swings were well away from Islington. Locally I was surprised to see him get 30% of the vote in Harborough, a similar figure in Huntington (20 years ago the Tories safest seat) and in Cambourne, where I think the Metropolitan elite are thin on the ground. I also note that the Jezza football song first started when he addressed a crowd at Tranmere Rovers.
It seems that Jezza refreshes the parts that other politicians struggle to reach. Not good news for my own party, which is in the doldrums on its 30th Birthday today, under the Invisible Man.
I seem to remember they were on 0% in one opinion poll around the time they were founded.
I don't think they ever quite recorded 0% officially, but there were a few polls where their rating was "within the margin of error" of potentially being 0%.
Cheers, Dr. Parma. Hope you're having nicer weather than us.
Mr. G, change in position, no? I'm not attacking you for it, just checking I remembered correctly.
MD, Given their subsequent behaviour and grabbing back of all the devolved powers to Westminster it has proven totally that we can never trust Westminster to act in the interests of Scotland , they are only interested in retaining power for themselves regardless of impact on Scotland. The sooner we get our next referendum going the better.
Good grief, you win the most ludicrous post of the day award.
You alread claimed it with this "May should continue to offer concessions up to the limit of reasonableness and hopefully they will not be reciprocated leaving us with a deal that is one sided." Yet even as she rejected it, May recognised the benefits of the single market, sought continued, frictionless, access to it, and lamely admitted that we will all be the poorer for being outside it. What kind of leadership is this? Such self-contradictory thinking would give Descartes a headache. The same applies to her Through the Looking Glass “customs partnership” wheeze that, she said, would “mirror EU requirements”. If she means future customs arrangements will be reversed, back to front and inside out, she may well be right. What a nightmare of red tape is now in prospect from those who promised a liberating bonfire on the cliffs of Dover and will create, instead, a giant lorry-park.
It is sometimes opined on here that Jezza appeals only to a North London intelligencia. However some of his biggest swings were well away from Islington. Locally I was surprised to see him get 30% of the vote in Harborough, a similar figure in Huntington (20 years ago the Tories safest seat) and in Cambourne, where I think the Metropolitan elite are thin on the ground. I also note that the Jezza football song first started when he addressed a crowd at Tranmere Rovers.
It seems that Jezza refreshes the parts that other politicians struggle to reach. Not good news for my own party, which is in the doldrums on its 30th Birthday today, under the Invisible Man.
20 years ago Major was the Huntingdon MP - you can’t really use the “safest seat” analysis because it is distorted: voters like being represented by the PM
Reasonable remainers and leavers understood the pragmatic tone and accepted that both sides will have to move towards the middle.
Except that is the problem
For may to get anything she wants, the EU have to move.
They have shown no willingness to do so.
So where does that leave us?
Personally I hope the EU continue to show the intransigence they have displayed so far.
May should continue to offer concessions up to the limit of reasonableness and hopefully they will not be reciprocated leaving us with a deal that is one sided.
Knowing the psyche of the British public this won't be forgotten or forgiven and will remove any possibility of us rejoining for generations especially once the press have whipped up a suitable amount of outrage (they will).
And you think the UK will pull together as a result of this?
Just a matter of time before the provincials come into line.
Not quite yet mind.
'How Britain's views have changed – full Brexit poll results
Guardian/ICM survey of more than 5,000 Britons shows a nation increasingly divided by age, region and party
Fri 26 Jan 2018 16.31 GMT
If there were another EU referendum tomorrow, how would you vote?
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Who had enough knowledge to make an informed decision? It's not about Leavers being stupid. It's about all of us being ignorant
The ingratitude.
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/970044326091902976
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/04/donald-trump-gridiron-dinner-jared-kushner-melania
British snow for British snowmen!
"oh I wasn't attacking you personally, just gays/immigrants/jews as a group"
Nuclear reactors work by irradiating something which makes it hot, and you then do stuff with the hot irradiated thing like drive a turbine or provide thrust. Most use the hot irradiated thing to make something else hot (but not irradiated) and do stuff with that, which keeps the hot irradiated thing contained and the reactor safe. But if you are willing to do stuff with the hot irradiated thing directly and release the output into the air, you can make it very powerful at the price of making it very unsafe.
In the 50's the US designed a long-range cruise missile that did exactly that (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto ), which had an very hot, very dirty exhaust that irradiated everything it flew over. The concept was too crazy even for Cold War times and was ditched. If Putin's Russia has built something similar and tested it it would leave a radioactive trail...and of course Northern Polar Russia would be a good place to test it.
I assume this is the reason for the flights you have pointed out
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/02/putin_mystery_nukes/
We could do with a bit of that in the UK.
https://www.sciencealert.com/no-one-can-figure-out-what-s-behind-a-mysterious-radiation-spike-across-europe
For Putin's wonder weapons to have caused it they would actually have to exist... It's more likely something has gone not according to plan at a Russian nuclear power plant which has eschewed liberal, western, decadent safety standards.
Putin wanted to say he had a Death Star but his aides talked him down at the last minute.
What’s clearly not bollocks is the higher radiation levels which have been evident for a month or two along the Russian/Norwegian border. The plane flying around now is potentially looking at both issues.
Either of their lead actresses could get Best Actress. Probably Frances McDormand for 'Three Billboards' but Sally Hawkins was brilliant in 'Shape of Water'. Also Best Art Direction almost certainly for 'Shape of Water'.
Finally and outside of these two films Soirsee Ronan in 'Lady Bird' as an outside choice for best actress. I might be prejudiced because she's a Dubliner but she was brilliant.
I didn't do a full list this year because though it was a fantastic year for film it was castastrophic for politics.
Real people would’ve chosen the true world flavour pineapple. This is merely reflective of the metropolitan elite’s scathing contempt for proper straightforward combinations such as ham and the blessed pineapple. If we are going to be kept rigidly in alignment with namby pamby Euro flavours such as Quattro Stagione, or garlic and porcini with ricotta, or(God preserve us) an over use of fennel, we are never going to be able to take advantage of a world of flavours out there such as Peruvian anchovy, Pacific Tuna, and and other tropical fruits.
I demand an other vote until I get the pineapple I want!
Poster 1: Brexit, brexit, brexit, brexit, brexit
Poster 2: Brexit, brexit, brexit, brexit, brexit, brexit
Poster 3: Brexit, brexit, brexit, brexit, brexit, brexit!
Poster 4: Brexit. BREXIT!
SDP clearly want to come 3rd in the next elections as well as propping up a leader who is well known for amazingly unpopular decisions.
May’s speech, signalling a fundamental parting of the ways, was a defeat for the business people, trade unionists and community leaders who rightly fear for the country’s future prosperity, cohesion and jobs. It was a defeat for young people, British and European, who, more so than older generations, will perforce inhabit an ugly new world of harder borders, work permits, bureaucracy and pervasive state intrusion.
The gaunt post-Brexit future towards which May is stubbornly leading us will make Britain a poorer, meaner, lonelier and shabbier place, hostile to immigrants yet badly in need of their skills, struggling to maintain its trade across the barriers we ourselves erected, and exploited by the world’s big economies whose governments and multinationals, imposing unequal trade treaties, will take what they want and leave the rest.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/04/the-observer-view-on-theresa-mays-brexit-speech?CMP=share_btn_tw
I'm quite surprised, to be honest. This makes the AfD the opposition too, doesn't it....?
Someone needs to tell the Observer that Project Fear failed...
Some great films this year.
Not sure if Germany has an Opposition the same way we do, but if so, it's the AfD.
The black ops against Gary Oldman http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2018/01/blind-item-9_23.html seems not to have taken so I think he's a good bet for Best Actor.
https://order-order.com/2018/03/04/mcdonnell-watson-re-consider-taking-mosley-cash/
For a man of the people, John McDonnell also seems to have a rather nice house with a view from his window...
Though if we're worrying about nuclear fallout, this is considerably more worrying:
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/03/senator-risch-north-korea/554714/
And thanks for the post. The the US and NASA are starting to look at this sort of thing for space applications, e.g. updated NERVA designs. Though they're mostly going down the nuclear power road atm, with things like Kilopower.
Project Pluto was even crazier than the Convair NBH-36, a nuclear-powered bomber, which was actually flown with the reactor operational (though it was never powered by it) A MW-class reactor flying through the skies! Some of the ground handling equipment for it had to be impressively shielded, and the plane's crew compartment was made from thick lead.
Utter madness with hindsight.
Apart from that it’s just a crywank about losing the referendum.
Turnout at noon for House of Deputies is 19.39% (7,833 municipalities out of 7,958 reported)
Prediction for the party with most seats? Reckon Five Star will get it?
Top single party, yes, maybe M5S. However, I don't remember how FI and Lega divided FPTP constituencies between themselves. FI have a chance to be also the party with most seats if they win a lot in the South (many FI-M5S contests in FPTP constituencies there, I suppose)
It is sometimes opined on here that Jezza appeals only to a North London intelligencia. However some of his biggest swings were well away from Islington. Locally I was surprised to see him get 30% of the vote in Harborough, a similar figure in Huntington (20 years ago the Tories safest seat) and in Cambourne, where I think the Metropolitan elite are thin on the ground. I also note that the Jezza football song first started when he addressed a crowd at Tranmere Rovers.
It seems that Jezza refreshes the parts that other politicians struggle to reach. Not good news for my own party, which is in the doldrums on its 30th Birthday today, under the Invisible Man.
https://twitter.com/GregHands/status/969934124361363456?s=19
I've noticed many remainers have become even more hysterical since May's speech on Friday.
Reasonable remainers and leavers understood the pragmatic tone and accepted that both sides will have to move towards the middle.
It's just the swivel-eyed, head-banging remainiacs left howling at the moon.
or policies and are often reduced to abstaining from their own amendments, totally useless bunch of toerags.
Your poor logical reasoning would lead to a corollary that no General Election result could be considered legitimate considering the arguments in that process are far more nuanced and hardly anyone reads a manifesto.
Nice that it is the Remainers and not the Brexiteers for once who have such blind faith in their certainties over Brexit.
Be in no doubt. That is all the Remainers have to hold onto. "Be in no doubt, Brexit will be a shit-fest. (Or else, we Remainers are all going to look like twats....)"
For may to get anything she wants, the EU have to move.
They have shown no willingness to do so.
So where does that leave us?
fantastic line.
May should continue to offer concessions up to the limit of reasonableness and hopefully they will not be reciprocated leaving us with a deal that is one sided.
Knowing the psyche of the British public this won't be forgotten or forgiven and will remove any possibility of us rejoining for generations especially once the press have whipped up a suitable amount of outrage (they will).
Mr. G, change in position, no? I'm not attacking you for it, just checking I remembered correctly.
Government have conflated the implementation with the decision. they have stated in terms that certain destinations would be a "betrayal" of the vote, which is bollocks.
Before the vote, many leavers said laving the single market was project fear.
Now it is Holy scripture.
It was the Conservative vote that varied much more wildly, they increased much more in Brexity and non-metropolitan seats (where there were many more UKIP votes to be gained) than elsewhere - but the Labour vote increase was very even and consistent.
We may be worse off, but living in our own shit will show those foreign johnnies just what they are missing, eh?
If you're interested, if seventy-five votes had gone differently the Conservatives would have had 322 seats and a razor-thin working majority.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=8cXADgAAQBAJ&pg=PT49&lpg=PT49&dq="owen+boswarva"+"seventy-five+votes"&source=bl&ots=gW1JYSQaM2&sig=PiI6REmEv2nNI0KIJ6tpfuydIb8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiBlMz73dLZAhUBJcAKHcofC8IQ6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q="owen boswarva" "seventy-five votes"&f=false
I don't doubt that the ultra-remainers will never reconcile themselves to leaving the EU and it will continue to eat them up for many years.
Good grief, you win the most ludicrous post of the day award.
Yet even as she rejected it, May recognised the benefits of the single market, sought continued, frictionless, access to it, and lamely admitted that we will all be the poorer for being outside it. What kind of leadership is this? Such self-contradictory thinking would give Descartes a headache. The same applies to her Through the Looking Glass “customs partnership” wheeze that, she said, would “mirror EU requirements”. If she means future customs arrangements will be reversed, back to front and inside out, she may well be right. What a nightmare of red tape is now in prospect from those who promised a liberating bonfire on the cliffs of Dover and will create, instead, a giant lorry-park.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/04/the-observer-view-on-theresa-mays-brexit-speech?CMP=share_btn_tw
Not quite yet mind.
'How Britain's views have changed – full Brexit poll results
Guardian/ICM survey of more than 5,000 Britons shows a nation increasingly divided by age, region and party
Fri 26 Jan 2018 16.31 GMT
If there were another EU referendum tomorrow, how would you vote?
Region
Scotland
Remain 63%
Leave 37%'
https://tinyurl.com/yd358f56