A bombshell study has found that few voters believe the Conservative Party’s key election claim that its councils cost less for quality local services.
Only three in 10 voters across London see the Conservatives as the party of low council tax and a meagre 18 per cent in Tory-run boroughs think it delivers on its boast of lower bills and better services.
The report, by ex-Conservative treasurer Lord Ashcroft, comes before the May 3 elections in London, where the Conservatives are fighting to avoid the loss of flagships such as Wandsworth, Barnet and Westminster.
It found that many Londoners plan to use their votes to punish Theresa May and the national government for Brexit and spending cuts.
Few appeared nervous of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn’s Left-wing supporters taking over councils. In Tory-run boroughs only a third of voters associated the party with either better services or lower council tax.
Council tax in Coventry went up 4.9% with the Labour administered council this year. So I asked my Dad what it would have gone up if the Tories were in charge. The alternative budget had a 4.9% increase too
That's because councils are limited to 5%. Maybe Theresa May should remove that ceiling, which may be seen by voters as making it safe to vote Labour in local elections.
Are you mad Richard ?!
Do you really want to pay more council tax ?
If he doesn't pay more council tax he will pay more in other taxes - or suffer ever declining services.
People that pay the most tax don't really use the services.
Ther'e some truth in that, though some of the most complianed about services: bin collections, roads, policing etc. affect high earners as much as low.
The reason bin collections are such a hot topic is because, if you live in a reasonable area and don’t have children, it’s literally the only positive thing you ever see in exchange for your council tax. They’re some very expensive bin collections!
The Bins are a bit like the weather. Everybody talks about them in casual conversation. In comparison to a Sure Start Centre or the local Homeless Shelter.
Completely off topic: I assume that Hollywood stars have money and stylist and their pick of gowns. And yet they dress SO badly - utter eyesores most of them. No elegance or style. They may as well have walked naked with their body covered in glue into a cupboard of clothes. The results could hardly have been worse.
Claws being worn on the outside this season I see....
If you go out in public and make a big show of all this red carpet malarkey and not being treated as tarts, the very least you can do is not look as if you're dressed as a tart ...... and one with very bad taste.......
That's why I find it astonishing you think he will get two terms. I think he is the final nail in the coffin of the Republican Party.
The GOP will double down with Trump.
The Demographics/population centres/electoral college aren't helping the Dems.
It is entirely possible in 2020 Trump loses the popular vote by 5 million votes and win an even bigger majority in the electoral college.
It is possible by 2028 the Dems could win the popular vote by 10 million and still lose the electoral college.
I thought that the number of electoral college votes were amended to reflect the population of each State fairly regularly. I recall Florida getting an extra one, I think. If the coastal population continues to increase disproportionately it will become increasingly difficult for the middle to elect republicans.
It is, but
1) The Dems are piling up voters in the wrong places. Winning California by 30% is the same as winning it by half a per cent.
2) The GOP are winning the smaller states, and with the two top electoral college vote gives them a disproportionate boost. For every California 2 up boost, there's places like Wyoming, The Dakotas, Alaska to help the GOP which also get the 2 up boost.
Though in 2012 Obama won 51% of the popular vote but 61% of the EC vote
That's why I find it astonishing you think he will get two terms. I think he is the final nail in the coffin of the Republican Party.
The GOP will double down with Trump.
The Demographics/population centres/electoral college aren't helping the Dems.
It is entirely possible in 2020 Trump loses the popular vote by 5 million votes and win an even bigger majority in the electoral college.
It is possible by 2028 the Dems could win the popular vote by 10 million and still lose the electoral college.
I thought that the number of electoral college votes were amended to reflect the population of each State fairly regularly. I recall Florida getting an extra one, I think. If the coastal population continues to increase disproportionately it will become increasingly difficult for the middle to elect republicans.
It is, but
1) The Dems are piling up voters in the wrong places. Winning California by 30% is the same as winning it by half a per cent.
2) The GOP are winning the smaller states, and with the two top electoral college vote gives them a disproportionate boost. For every California 2 up boost, there's places like Wyoming, The Dakotas, Alaska to help the GOP which also get the 2 up boost.
At some point the Dems are going to crack Texas. Then how can the Republicans win the electoral college?
By electing a Texican as the GOP Presidential candidate.
with the two top electoral college vote gives them a disproportionate boost. For every California 2 up boost, there's places like Wyoming, The Dakotas, Alaska to help the GOP which also get the 2 up boost.
That's why I find it astonishing you think he will get two terms. I think he is the final nail in the coffin of the Republican Party.
The GOP will double down with Trump.
The Demographics/population centres/electoral college aren't helping the Dems.
It is entirely possible in 2020 Trump loses the popular vote by 5 million votes and win an even bigger majority in the electoral college.
It is possible by 2028 the Dems could win the popular vote by 10 million and still lose the electoral college.
I thought that the number of electoral college votes were amended to reflect the population of each State fairly regularly. I recall Florida getting an extra one, I think. If the coastal population continues to increase disproportionately it will become increasingly difficult for the middle to elect republicans.
It is, but
1) The Dems are piling up voters in the wrong places. Winning California by 30% is the same as winning it by half a per cent.
2) The GOP are winning the smaller states, and with the two top electoral college vote gives them a disproportionate boost. For every California 2 up boost, there's places like Wyoming, The Dakotas, Alaska to help the GOP which also get the 2 up boost.
At some point the Dems are going to crack Texas. Then how can the Republicans win the electoral college?
By electing a Texican as the GOP Presidential candidate.
Not to accept a democratic referendum result is one thing, but to suggest that if we have a second referendum in which older people who are likely to vote in a certain way should have obstacles placed in their way at the polling booth in order to get the result you want takes the breath away.
Those older people being the same ones who in 1975 voted for us to stay in the EU? But apparently no one ever changes their views as they get older - that's why we have permanent majority Labour Green coalition governments isn't it?!
Whats that got to do with it? Are remoaners on this site seriously suggesting gerrymandering the result of a second referendum by making it more difficult for older people to vote? Seriously?
Miss Cyclefree, indeed, Merkel's migration madness won't have gone down well at all in Italy.
It's not just Merkel. It's the fact that migrants have been turning up in Southern Italy, in Sicily, in Lampedusa for years and the Italians are trying to deal with them and getting v little help from anyone else. Indeed the French have effectively closed the border at Ventimiglia to stop the migrants getting into France. Not much solidarity there.
And, historically, the Italians have bad memories of North Africans......
So it is little surprise that they are feeling fed up with it all.
Report said that the new Italian government will stop payments to Brussels and of course the migrant crisis is a huge problem. Also as far as I am aware crime and the mafia are endemic in Italy, particularly in the south, so no doubt politicians have a big problem with corruption
Time to nail this "the south is very corrupt" meme. It is. But the big Mani Pulite corruption investigations which pulled down the old political parties started in the North, in Milan, and were found everywhere. Corruption is endemic in Italian public life and the mafia has its footprints all over the place, even if it originates and has its base in the south.
Not to accept a democratic referendum result is one thing, but to suggest that if we have a second referendum in which older people who are likely to vote in a certain way should have obstacles placed in their way at the polling booth in order to get the result you want takes the breath away.
Those older people being the same ones who in 1975 voted for us to stay in the EU? But apparently no one ever changes their views as they get older - that's why we have permanent majority Labour Green coalition governments isn't it?!
Whats that got to do with it? Are remoaners on this site seriously suggesting gerrymandering the result of a second referendum by making it more difficult for older people to vote? Seriously?
Vote suppression rather than gerrymandering!
In any case - I think it's a windup comparison between this and Tory efforts to introduce voter ID to reduce supposed voter fraud in general elections (which did not receive quite such a negative reaction when discussed).
with the two top electoral college vote gives them a disproportionate boost. For every California 2 up boost, there's places like Wyoming, The Dakotas, Alaska to help the GOP which also get the 2 up boost.
Not to accept a democratic referendum result is one thing, but to suggest that if we have a second referendum in which older people who are likely to vote in a certain way should have obstacles placed in their way at the polling booth in order to get the result you want takes the breath away.
Those older people being the same ones who in 1975 voted for us to stay in the EU? But apparently no one ever changes their views as they get older - that's why we have permanent majority Labour Green coalition governments isn't it?!
Whats that got to do with it? Are remoaners on this site seriously suggesting gerrymandering the result of a second referendum by making it more difficult for older people to vote? Seriously?
Vote suppression rather than gerrymandering!
In any case - I think it's a windup comparison between this and Tory efforts to introduce voter ID to reduce supposed voter fraud in general elections (which did not receive quite such a negative reaction when discussed).
That's why I find it astonishing you think he will get two terms. I think he is the final nail in the coffin of the Republican Party.
The GOP will double down with Trump.
The Demographics/population centres/electoral college aren't helping the Dems.
It is entirely possible in 2020 Trump loses the popular vote by 5 million votes and win an even bigger majority in the electoral college.
It is possible by 2028 the Dems could win the popular vote by 10 million and still lose the electoral college.
I thought that the number of electoral college votes were amended to reflect the population of each State fairly regularly. I recall Florida getting an extra one, I think. If the coastal population continues to increase disproportionately it will become increasingly difficult for the middle to elect republicans.
That's not the issue for the Democrats, indeed I did some calculations.
If the electoral college was based precisely on population, Trump would have won 303 - 235.
California should be worth 65 ECVs and New York 34, but Texas would also be worth 45, and Florida 33.
Now Wyoming should only be worth 1 ECV, but so should DC and Hawaii, Rhode Island are both over-represented.
The problem is that the margins in California and the west coast are hugely in favour of the Democrats whereas Texas is much much closer and so the GOP vote is much more efficient.
Sure but Virginia and Pennsylvania have been swinging Democratic. It was the loss of Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota that sank Hillary, states a competent candidate would not have taken for granted.
Not to accept a democratic referendum result is one thing, but to suggest that if we have a second referendum in which older people who are likely to vote in a certain way should have obstacles placed in their way at the polling booth in order to get the result you want takes the breath away.
Those older people being the same ones who in 1975 voted for us to stay in the EU? But apparently no one ever changes their views as they get older - that's why we have permanent majority Labour Green coalition governments isn't it?!
Whats that got to do with it? Are remoaners on this site seriously suggesting gerrymandering the result of a second referendum by making it more difficult for older people to vote? Seriously?
A bombshell study has found that few voters believe the Conservative Party’s key election claim that its councils cost less for quality local services.
Only three in 10 voters across London see the Conservatives as the party of low council tax and a meagre 18 per cent in Tory-run boroughs think it delivers on its boast of lower bills and better services.
The report, by ex-Conservative treasurer Lord Ashcroft, comes before the May 3 elections in London, where the Conservatives are fighting to avoid the loss of flagships such as Wandsworth, Barnet and Westminster.
It found that many Londoners plan to use their votes to punish Theresa May and the national government for Brexit and spending cuts.
Few appeared nervous of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn’s Left-wing supporters taking over councils. In Tory-run boroughs only a third of voters associated the party with either better services or lower council tax.
Council tax in Coventry went up 4.9% with the Labour administered council this year. So I asked my Dad what it would have gone up if the Tories were in charge. The alternative budget had a 4.9% increase too
That's because councils are limited to 5%. Maybe Theresa May should remove that ceiling, which may be seen by voters as making it safe to vote Labour in local elections.
Are you mad Richard ?!
Do you really want to pay more council tax ?
If he doesn't pay more council tax he will pay more in other taxes - or suffer ever declining services.
People that pay the most tax don't really use the services.
Ther'e some truth in that, though some of the most complianed about services: bin collections, roads, policing etc. affect high earners as much as low.
The reason bin collections are such a hot topic is because, if you live in a reasonable area and don’t have children, it’s literally the only positive thing you ever see in exchange for your council tax. They’re some very expensive bin collections!
provided no-one in your family needs social care, your road and pavements don't need any maintenance, you or your neighbours don't need planning permission for anything, you have off street parking, and you only go out in daytime when the streetlights are turned off.... etc.
There’s been talk of that for decades, the net result is that it would mean the massive Dem votes in CA and NY carry extra weight. Which is why it’s unlikely to happen any time soon.
Not to accept a democratic referendum result is one thing, but to suggest that if we have a second referendum in which older people who are likely to vote in a certain way should have obstacles placed in their way at the polling booth in order to get the result you want takes the breath away.
Those older people being the same ones who in 1975 voted for us to stay in the EU? But apparently no one ever changes their views as they get older - that's why we have permanent majority Labour Green coalition governments isn't it?!
Whats that got to do with it? Are remoaners on this site seriously suggesting gerrymandering the result of a second referendum by making it more difficult for older people to vote? Seriously?
Have you read the final paragraph?
Yes I have. Your point being?
My point is that you're so dense light must bend around you.
Only three in 10 voters across London see the Conservatives as the party of low council tax and a meagre 18 per cent in Tory-run boroughs think it delivers on its boast of lower bills and better services.
The report, by ex-Conservative treasurer Lord Ashcroft, comes before the May 3 elections in London, where the Conservatives are fighting to avoid the loss of flagships such as Wandsworth, Barnet and Westminster.
It found that many Londoners plan to use their votes to punish Theresa May and the national government for Brexit and spending cuts.
Few appeared nervous of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn’s Left-wing supporters taking over councils. In Tory-run boroughs only a third of voters associated the party with either better services or lower council tax.
Council tax in Coventry went up 4.9% with the Labour administered council this year. So I asked my Dad what it would have gone up if the Tories were in charge. The alternative budget had a 4.9% increase too
That's because councils are limited to 5%. Maybe Theresa May should remove that ceiling, which may be seen by voters as making it safe to vote Labour in local elections.
Are you mad Richard ?!
Do you really want to pay more council tax ?
If he doesn't pay more council tax he will pay more in other taxes - or suffer ever declining services.
People that pay the most tax don't really use the services.
Ther'e some truth in that, though some of the most complianed about services: bin collections, roads, policing etc. affect high earners as much as low.
The reason bin collections are such a hot topic is because, if you live in a reasonable area and don’t have children, it’s literally the only positive thing you ever see in exchange for your council tax. They’re some very expensive bin collections!
We have no children and have paid taxes all our lives, some of which support an education system we will never use. But that's the way society works. And frankly, I'm ok about my taxes helping everyone else's kids to be educated to a reasonable level, ensuring that they can contribute to a highly developed economy, pay their own taxes in turn and vote sensibly in any referenda that may come along.
Not to accept a democratic referendum result is one thing, but to suggest that if we have a second referendum in which older people who are likely to vote in a certain way should have obstacles placed in their way at the polling booth in order to get the result you want takes the breath away.
Those older people being the same ones who in 1975 voted for us to stay in the EU? But apparently no one ever changes their views as they get older - that's why we have permanent majority Labour Green coalition governments isn't it?!
Whats that got to do with it? Are remoaners on this site seriously suggesting gerrymandering the result of a second referendum by making it more difficult for older people to vote? Seriously?
Have you read the final paragraph?
Yes I have. Your point being?
My point is that you're so dense light must bend around you.
So you dont have a point. You are just an abusive twat. I knew that anyway.
provided no-one in your family needs social care No way on God's green earth would the council provide that out of their own coffers for my family or Nabavi's
Your road and pavements don't need any maintenance Not particularly maintained as is.
You or your neighbours don't need planning permission for anythingThis was provided with much lower council taxes
You have off street parking Park on the driveway
You only go out in daytime when the streetlights are turned off.... etc.Streetlights aren't needed to head out in
The truth is that most council tax (Certainly the marginal recent increases) are spent on helping out people for adult social care that don't have the means themselves to.
One reason immigration is a positive, as immigrants contribute to the tax pool for the poor/elderly natives.
Now of course that IS legally necessary for councils to do as their duty but the majority of council tax payers could get their bins collected privately for less.
A bombshell study has found that few voters believe the Conservative Party’s key election claim that its councils cost less for quality local services.
Council tax in Coventry went up 4.9% with the Labour administered council this year. So I asked my Dad what it would have gone up if the Tories were in charge. The alternative budget had a 4.9% increase too
That's because councils are limited to 5%. Maybe Theresa May should remove that ceiling, which may be seen by voters as making it safe to vote Labour in local elections.
Are you mad Richard ?!
Do you really want to pay more council tax ?
If he doesn't pay more council tax he will pay more in other taxes - or suffer ever declining services.
People that pay the most tax don't really use the services.
Ther'e some truth in that, though some of the most complianed about services: bin collections, roads, policing etc. affect high earners as much as low.
The reason bin collections are such a hot topic is because, if you live in a reasonable area and don’t have children, it’s literally the only positive thing you ever see in exchange for your council tax. They’re some very expensive bin collections!
provided no-one in your family needs social care, your road and pavements don't need any maintenance, you or your neighbours don't need planning permission for anything, you have off street parking, and you only go out in daytime when the streetlights are turned off.... etc.
Indeed so, but most people see the council digging the road up again, the police prioritising more speed cameras over bobbies on the beat etc all as negatives. This of course changes as people age and have children and parents who need looking after, then you think it’s probably better value for money.
Trudeau comes from Quebec and speaks French, he is certainly more popular there than Alberta
But he's the Prime Minister of Canada and French Presidents have previous on meddling in internal matters.....admittedly this is more subtle than De Gaulle.....but still.....
provided no-one in your family needs social care No way on God's green earth would the council provide that out of their own coffers for my family or Nabavi's
Your road and pavements don't need any maintenance Not particularly maintained as is.
You or your neighbours don't need planning permission for anythingThis was provided with much lower council taxes
You have off street parking Park on the driveway
You only go out in daytime when the streetlights are turned off.... etc.Streetlights aren't needed to head out in
The truth is that most council tax (Certainly the marginal recent increases) are spent on helping out people for adult social care that don't have the means themselves to.
One reason immigration is a positive, as immigrants contribute to the tax pool for the poor/elderly natives.
Now of course that IS legally necessary for councils to do as their duty but the majority of council tax payers could get their bins collected privately for less.
The problem is that nursing homes cost £1000 a week (net of the gov'ts nursing care allowance) so even the well off run out of cash after a few years. If average house prices are £250,000 then even selling the house only lasts five years. At which point he council has to step in and pay.
For two married people in a nursing home you need to sell a house for £500,000 to last five years without falling back on the council.
Trudeau comes from Quebec and speaks French, he is certainly more popular there than Alberta
But he's the Prime Minister of Canada and French Presidents have previous on meddling in internal matters.....admittedly this is more subtle than De Gaulle.....but still.....
Chirac was certainly willing to welcome an independent Quebec back into the Francophone world had the Yes side won the 1995 referendum.
An independent Quebec and Scotland would be fine by France, one used to be a French colony, the other a key ally of France against England
A handy reminder of how different everyone on this site is from the public at large: "Half of all London voters, including more than four in ten of those who voted Labour last year, said they had never heard of Momentum."
provided no-one in your family needs social care No way on God's green earth would the council provide that out of their own coffers for my family or Nabavi's
Your road and pavements don't need any maintenance Not particularly maintained as is.
You or your neighbours don't need planning permission for anythingThis was provided with much lower council taxes
You have off street parking Park on the driveway
You only go out in daytime when the streetlights are turned off.... etc.Streetlights aren't needed to head out in
The truth is that most council tax (Certainly the marginal recent increases) are spent on helping out people for adult social care that don't have the means themselves to.
One reason immigration is a positive, as immigrants contribute to the tax pool for the poor/elderly natives.
Now of course that IS legally necessary for councils to do as their duty but the majority of council tax payers could get their bins collected privately for less.
I think the point is perhaps that not all immigrants are net contributors - many rely on welfare, tax credits and housing benefits to get by or receive them anyway. And not all pensioners and older people are net recipients of state support - many are wealthy and pay large sums in tax.
Isn't the idea to follow the Canadian, Aussie and Kiwi approach whereby you allow in those likely to be net contributors rather than a free for all where a car washer from Bucharest gets preferential and automatic access even though he may not overall be a net contributor whereas a doctor from Brazil who clearly will be doesn't. Surely we want the best from all over the world - not the unemployed and unskilled from eastern and Southern Europe?
Other English speaking nations with flexible labour market exploit their attractiveness - why shouldn't we? You don't need open door immigration policies to have doctors and engineers and entrepreneurs - you just let in the doctors, engineers and entrepreneurs. Young unskilled people also get old one day.
That's why I find it astonishing you think he will get two terms. I think he is the final nail in the coffin of the Republican Party.
The GOP will double down with Trump.
The Demographics/population centres/electoral college aren't helping the Dems.
It is entirely possible in 2020 Trump loses the popular vote by 5 million votes and win an even bigger majority in the electoral college.
It is possible by 2028 the Dems could win the popular vote by 10 million and still lose the electoral college.
I thought that the number of electoral college votes were amended to reflect the population of each State fairly regularly. I recall Florida getting an extra one, I think. If the coastal population continues to increase disproportionately it will become increasingly difficult for the middle to elect republicans.
That's not the issue for the Democrats, indeed I did some calculations.
If the electoral college was based precisely on population, Trump would have won 303 - 235.
California should be worth 65 ECVs and New York 34, but Texas would also be worth 45, and Florida 33.
Now Wyoming should only be worth 1 ECV, but so should DC and Hawaii, Rhode Island are both over-represented.
The problem is that the margins in California and the west coast are hugely in favour of the Democrats whereas Texas is much much closer and so the GOP vote is much more efficient.
Sure but Virginia and Pennsylvania have been swinging Democratic. It was the loss of Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota that sank Hillary, states a competent candidate would not have taken for granted.
Remember, it was worse than that - the Clinton campaign knew they were behind there but chose not to campaign to send false signals.
If we do have a trade war can we have a 4,000% tariff on pizzas with pineapple on them?
We import pineapple pizzas??
Pizzas are from Italy and pineapple aren't grown here are they
Pizzas can be made in the UK - however, of course spaghetti imports depend on how good the harvest is from the trees in Italy [source BBC approx 1950's April 1st.
That's why I find it astonishing you think he will get two terms. I think he is the final nail in the coffin of the Republican Party.
The GOP will double down with Trump.
The Demographics/population centres/electoral college aren't helping the Dems.
It is entirely possible in 2020 Trump loses the popular vote by 5 million votes and win an even bigger majority in the electoral college.
It is possible by 2028 the Dems could win the popular vote by 10 million and still lose the electoral college.
I thought that the number of electoral college votes were amended to reflect the population of each State fairly regularly. I recall Florida getting an extra one, I think. If the coastal population continues to increase disproportionately it will become increasingly difficult for the middle to elect republicans.
That's not the issue for the Democrats, indeed I did some calculations.
If the electoral college was based precisely on population, Trump would have won 303 - 235.
California should be worth 65 ECVs and New York 34, but Texas would also be worth 45, and Florida 33.
Now Wyoming should only be worth 1 ECV, but so should DC and Hawaii, Rhode Island are both over-represented.
The problem is that the margins in California and the west coast are hugely in favour of the Democrats whereas Texas is much much closer and so the GOP vote is much more efficient.
Sure but Virginia and Pennsylvania have been swinging Democratic. It was the loss of Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota that sank Hillary, states a competent candidate would not have taken for granted.
Remember, it was worse than that - the Clinton campaign knew they were behind there but chose not to campaign to send false signals.
Sanders may well have won Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, 2/3 of which he won in the Democratic primaries and hence the EC. Though Trump may have done a bit better against him than Hillary in California and New York given Hillary won those primaries and hence the popular vote
A handy reminder of how different everyone on this site is from the public at large: "Half of all London voters, including more than four in ten of those who voted Labour last year, said they had never heard of Momentum."
I wonder how many of them in Labour run administrations think their council is run by Theresa May's baby-eating Tories....?
Five Star open to speaking to anyone, but *for now* Salvini commits himself to the centre right coalition (which of course does not have numbers to govern).
Salvini repeats that the Euro “was and is the wrong choice.”
I think the right’s best hope is somehow attracting Five Star flake-aways, but they’d need *a lot* of them.
I think we have (as a country) reached the 3rd stage in the Brexit process. All the talk of 2nd referendums is part of this, and gives people hope it can be negotiated away.
I think we have (as a country) reached the 3rd stage in the Brexit process. All the talk of 2nd referendums is part of this, and gives people hope it can be negotiated away.
Still some are stuck on stages 1 or 2 through...
I thought Brexit was supposed to be a positive thing. Not the equivalent of a death.
All politicians deceive, mislead, partially inform, spin. At one level those are synonyms for lying.
I didn’t say anything about Leavers in my post. It was a general point.
Toppo claimed last week that nobody had predicted a recession would follow a Leave vote and that house prices had fallen since.
I'm not sure whether he was attempting to deceive, mislead, partially inform, spin or was merely talking bollox about things he knew little about.
Welcome to the discussion Richard, almost missed you back there.
Plus it must be catching. Charles: "London house prices haven’t fallen as much as I thought"
And I think I acknowledged the UK house price situation soon afterwards.
Don't remember saying that no one predicted a recession, but I'm sure you will find my quote to show otherwise.
Charles lives in K&C so the price of his flat might well be falling.
I thought you lived somewhat further out in a rather more downmarket district - so prices near you might be rather more bouyant.
I've been thinking about coming back to London recently and I hope prices fall in NW before then. Hopefully enough for me to buy a 4 bedroom place.
If you are willing to pay enough I have a 4 bedroom place to sell you
This 1 bed detached bungalow (an igloo) in Nottingham has been on sale on rightmove since last week - a snip at £99k. I cannot believe it's not been removed.
I think we have (as a country) reached the 3rd stage in the Brexit process. All the talk of 2nd referendums is part of this, and gives people hope it can be negotiated away.
Still some are stuck on stages 1 or 2 through...
I thought Brexit was supposed to be a positive thing. Not the equivalent of a death.
I think the point is perhaps that not all immigrants are net contributors - many rely on welfare, tax credits and housing benefits to get by or receive them anyway. And not all pensioners and older people are net recipients of state support - many are wealthy and pay large sums in tax.
Isn't the idea to follow the Canadian, Aussie and Kiwi approach whereby you allow in those likely to be net contributors rather than a free for all where a car washer from Bucharest gets preferential and automatic access even though he may not overall be a net contributor whereas a doctor from Brazil who clearly will be doesn't. Surely we want the best from all over the world - not the unemployed and unskilled from eastern and Southern Europe?
This is the theory, but in practice when you put the British government in charge of something that's turning a profit, it will work out a way to turn it into a loss.
You can see this now with migration, where EU migration is unmanaged and makes a profit, and non-EU migration is managed by the government, and makes a loss. It's almost as if the government is trying to lose money on purpose: For example, a non-UK spouse who will be dependent on their UK partner is allowed, but a non-UK spouse earning money and supporting a UK spouse is verboten.
Both Di Maio (5 Star) and Salvini (Lega) have claimed the right to form the new government, which makes things interesting - will the President go for the largest party or largest coalition to start the first formation attempt?
The PD seem to be saying they will go into opposition, but then the SPD initially said that in Germany.
If we do have a trade war can we have a 4,000% tariff on pizzas with pineapple on them?
We import pineapple pizzas??
Pizzas are from Italy and pineapple aren't grown here are they
Pizzas can be made in the UK - however, of course spaghetti imports depend on how good the harvest is from the trees in Italy [source BBC approx 1950's April 1st.
Bizarrely it was actually Swiss spaghetti from Ticino.
I think we have (as a country) reached the 3rd stage in the Brexit process. All the talk of 2nd referendums is part of this, and gives people hope it can be negotiated away.
Still some are stuck on stages 1 or 2 through...
I thought Brexit was supposed to be a positive thing. Not the equivalent of a death.
That Kübler-Ross crap is crap anyway. It possibly describes the reaction of a small child to having its ice cream confiscated, but grief is a very distinct emotion in its own right, not made up of bits of different ones.
Five Star open to speaking to anyone, but *for now* Salvini commits himself to the centre right coalition (which of course does not have numbers to govern).
Salvini repeats that the Euro “was and is the wrong choice.”
I think the right’s best hope is somehow attracting Five Star flake-aways, but they’d need *a lot* of them.
If Salvini becomes PM then the EU will not only face Brexit but a possible Eurozone Italian ciao!
"when Mrs May appeals for “a comprehensive system of mutual recognition” she is going still further. She is not asking for something that applies within the EU. She is asking for something that even EU Member States do not expect of each other. A “comprehensive system of mutual recognition” is not found within the EU. Mrs May is asking that the UK be treated better than a Member State of the EU."
But the speech is still seen as a triumph - so I suppose it served its purpose.
Five Star open to speaking to anyone, but *for now* Salvini commits himself to the centre right coalition (which of course does not have numbers to govern).
Salvini repeats that the Euro “was and is the wrong choice.”
I think the right’s best hope is somehow attracting Five Star flake-aways, but they’d need *a lot* of them.
If Salvini becomes PM then the EU will not only face Brexit but a possible Eurozone Italian ciao!
I doubt it, but he won't make life easy for them. He'd need 5* to fall in line as well as some of the minor parties, and there's no guarantee that Italy would vote to leave. More likely if Salvini does become PM he will use the threat of leaving or a referendum to get concessions on their contributions, especially with the UK leaving behind a ~€14bn gap after 2020. Italy are already a huge net contributor and I highly doubt that Salvini would accept being asked to pay another €3bn per year when we leave.
Five Star open to speaking to anyone, but *for now* Salvini commits himself to the centre right coalition (which of course does not have numbers to govern).
Salvini repeats that the Euro “was and is the wrong choice.”
I think the right’s best hope is somehow attracting Five Star flake-aways, but they’d need *a lot* of them.
If Salvini becomes PM then the EU will not only face Brexit but a possible Eurozone Italian ciao!
I doubt it, but he won't make life easy for them. He'd need 5* to fall in line as well as some of the minor parties, and there's no guarantee that Italy would vote to leave. More likely if Salvini does become PM he will use the threat of leaving or a referendum to get concessions on their contributions, especially with the UK leaving behind a ~€14bn gap after 2020. Italy are already a huge net contributor and I highly doubt that Salvini would accept being asked to pay another €3bn per year when we leave.
It would certainly create a longer movement problem for Brussels from north and south
Five Star open to speaking to anyone, but *for now* Salvini commits himself to the centre right coalition (which of course does not have numbers to govern).
Salvini repeats that the Euro “was and is the wrong choice.”
I think the right’s best hope is somehow attracting Five Star flake-aways, but they’d need *a lot* of them.
If Salvini becomes PM then the EU will not only face Brexit but a possible Eurozone Italian ciao!
I actually hope so, although the exit process would be a nightmare. It would be good for “the EU” to be less correlated with the “Eurozone”. Neither Italy or Greece should be in the Eurozone.
Five Star open to speaking to anyone, but *for now* Salvini commits himself to the centre right coalition (which of course does not have numbers to govern).
Salvini repeats that the Euro “was and is the wrong choice.”
I think the right’s best hope is somehow attracting Five Star flake-aways, but they’d need *a lot* of them.
If Salvini becomes PM then the EU will not only face Brexit but a possible Eurozone Italian ciao!
I actually hope so, although the exit process would be a nightmare. It would be good for “the EU” to be less correlated with the “Eurozone”. Neither Italy or Greece should be in the Eurozone.
"when Mrs May appeals for “a comprehensive system of mutual recognition” she is going still further. She is not asking for something that applies within the EU. She is asking for something that even EU Member States do not expect of each other. A “comprehensive system of mutual recognition” is not found within the EU. Mrs May is asking that the UK be treated better than a Member State of the EU."
But the speech is still seen as a triumph - so I suppose it served its purpose.
It's garbage. Has the professor not heard of Equivalence? In any case, even in its own terms his argument doesn't work: he jumps from the (correct) observation that mutual recognition within the EU is not absolute to the conclusion that no mutual recognition is therefore possible, a non sequitur which I would hope he would immediately pounce on if committed by one of his students.
It is remarkable how Brexit addles brains on both sides.
"when Mrs May appeals for “a comprehensive system of mutual recognition” she is going still further. She is not asking for something that applies within the EU. She is asking for something that even EU Member States do not expect of each other. A “comprehensive system of mutual recognition” is not found within the EU. Mrs May is asking that the UK be treated better than a Member State of the EU."
But the speech is still seen as a triumph - so I suppose it served its purpose.
It's garbage. Has the professor not heard of Equivalence? In any case, even in its own terms his argument doesn't work: he jumps from the (correct) observation that mutual recognition within the EU is not absolute to the conclusion that no mutual recognition is therefore possible, a non sequitur which I would hope he would immediately pounce on if committed by one of his students.
It is remarkable how Brexit addles brains on both sides.
Equivalence is not binding and can be taken away. It's very different from what May is asking for.
provided no-one in your family needs social care No way on God's green earth would the council provide that out of their own coffers for my family or Nabavi's
Your road and pavements don't need any maintenance Not particularly maintained as is.
You or your neighbours don't need planning permission for anythingThis was provided with much lower council taxes
You have off street parking Park on the driveway
You only go out in daytime when the streetlights are turned off.... etc.Streetlights aren't needed to head out in
The truth is that most council tax (Certainly the marginal recent increases) are spent on helping out people for adult social care that don't have the means themselves to.
One reason immigration is a positive, as immigrants contribute to the tax pool for the poor/elderly natives.
Now of course that IS legally necessary for councils to do as their duty but the majority of council tax payers could get their bins collected privately for less.
Councils should be allowed to spend far less on the elderly and far more on children's services and schools. Much better to invest in the future than the past.
"when Mrs May appeals for “a comprehensive system of mutual recognition” she is going still further. She is not asking for something that applies within the EU. She is asking for something that even EU Member States do not expect of each other. A “comprehensive system of mutual recognition” is not found within the EU. Mrs May is asking that the UK be treated better than a Member State of the EU."
But the speech is still seen as a triumph - so I suppose it served its purpose.
It's garbage. Has the professor not heard of Equivalence? In any case, even in its own terms his argument doesn't work: he jumps from the (correct) observation that mutual recognition within the EU is not absolute to the conclusion that no mutual recognition is therefore possible, a non sequitur which I would hope he would immediately pounce on if committed by one of his students.
It is remarkable how Brexit addles brains on both sides.
Country A and B are EU members. Both A and B separately agree to recognise the UK's regulations. Does that force A and B to recognise each others'?
"when Mrs May appeals for “a comprehensive system of mutual recognition” she is going still further. She is not asking for something that applies within the EU. She is asking for something that even EU Member States do not expect of each other. A “comprehensive system of mutual recognition” is not found within the EU. Mrs May is asking that the UK be treated better than a Member State of the EU."
But the speech is still seen as a triumph - so I suppose it served its purpose.
It's garbage. Has the professor not heard of Equivalence? In any case, even in its own terms his argument doesn't work: he jumps from the (correct) observation that mutual recognition within the EU is not absolute to the conclusion that no mutual recognition is therefore possible, a non sequitur which I would hope he would immediately pounce on if committed by one of his students.
It is remarkable how Brexit addles brains on both sides.
Equivalence is not binding and can be taken away. It's very different from what May is asking for.
It is slightly different, yes. But it immediately disproves his point. Since I assume he's not a complete idiot, his article seems to be yet another example of someone arguing backwards from his conclusion.
"when Mrs May appeals for “a comprehensive system of mutual recognition” she is going still further. She is not asking for something that applies within the EU. She is asking for something that even EU Member States do not expect of each other. A “comprehensive system of mutual recognition” is not found within the EU. Mrs May is asking that the UK be treated better than a Member State of the EU."
But the speech is still seen as a triumph - so I suppose it served its purpose.
It's garbage. Has the professor not heard of Equivalence? In any case, even in its own terms his argument doesn't work: he jumps from the (correct) observation that mutual recognition within the EU is not absolute to the conclusion that no mutual recognition is therefore possible, a non sequitur which I would hope he would immediately pounce on if committed by one of his students.
It is remarkable how Brexit addles brains on both sides.
I think there's a chance he understands it better than you.
"when Mrs May appeals for “a comprehensive system of mutual recognition” she is going still further. She is not asking for something that applies within the EU. She is asking for something that even EU Member States do not expect of each other. A “comprehensive system of mutual recognition” is not found within the EU. Mrs May is asking that the UK be treated better than a Member State of the EU."
But the speech is still seen as a triumph - so I suppose it served its purpose.
It's garbage. Has the professor not heard of Equivalence? In any case, even in its own terms his argument doesn't work: he jumps from the (correct) observation that mutual recognition within the EU is not absolute to the conclusion that no mutual recognition is therefore possible, a non sequitur which I would hope he would immediately pounce on if committed by one of his students.
It is remarkable how Brexit addles brains on both sides.
I think there's a chance he understands it better than you.
The problem with Mike Smithson's idea is that a high propotion of Remainers are also Labour voters and as such I'm not convinced that they would welcome the requirement to provide ID at any future referendum, since such a procedure would inevitably become de rigeur at all future General Elections and *cough* I don't see that going down at all well with those responsible for getting out the vote.
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Off to get my saucer of milk now.
2 or 3 ECVs total
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dEwTzRca1tHFuClBeqW9yEJdPuButr0Ra6_F0CNMg_s/edit?usp=sharing
In any case - I think it's a windup comparison between this and Tory efforts to introduce voter ID to reduce supposed voter fraud in general elections (which did not receive quite such a negative reaction when discussed).
Who knew....
https://twitter.com/whatukthinks/status/970621068900696064
https://news.sky.com/story/emma-watson-debuts-new-tattoo-with-a-glaring-error-11277201
Ooops, more work required on that last one.
https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/970645678069338113
One reason immigration is a positive, as immigrants contribute to the tax pool for the poor/elderly natives.
Now of course that IS legally necessary for councils to do as their duty but the majority of council tax payers could get their bins collected privately for less.
For two married people in a nursing home you need to sell a house for £500,000 to last five years without falling back on the council.
http://www.totalpolitics.com/articles/diary/david-cameron’s-ex-spinner-reveals-his-secret-brexit-chat-theresa-may
unbroken link: https://tinyurl.com/y77acxxj
apostrophes matter....
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2018/03/capital-punishment-conservatives-2018-london-elections/
Another reason why Tw@tter is crap.
An independent Quebec and Scotland would be fine by France, one used to be a French colony, the other a key ally of France against England
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/05/major-incident-salisbury-hospital-ae-department-closed/
"Half of all London voters, including more than four in ten of those who voted Labour last year, said they had never heard of Momentum."
Isn't the idea to follow the Canadian, Aussie and Kiwi approach whereby you allow in those likely to be net contributors rather than a free for all where a car washer from Bucharest gets preferential and automatic access even though he may not overall be a net contributor whereas a doctor from Brazil who clearly will be doesn't. Surely we want the best from all over the world - not the unemployed and unskilled from eastern and Southern Europe?
Other English speaking nations with flexible labour market exploit their attractiveness - why shouldn't we? You don't need open door immigration policies to have doctors and engineers and entrepreneurs - you just let in the doctors, engineers and entrepreneurs. Young unskilled people also get old one day.
Eeek!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43282450
"Of course I voted for Remain...."
Five Star open to speaking to anyone, but *for now* Salvini commits himself to the centre right coalition (which of course does not have numbers to govern).
Salvini repeats that the Euro “was and is the wrong choice.”
I think the right’s best hope is somehow attracting Five Star flake-aways, but they’d need *a lot* of them.
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance
I think we have (as a country) reached the 3rd stage in the Brexit process. All the talk of 2nd referendums is part of this, and gives people hope it can be negotiated away.
Still some are stuck on stages 1 or 2 through...
Apparently it's now sold subject to melting!
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-53214819.html?utm_content=v2-ealertspropertyimage&utm_medium=email&utm_source=emailupdates&utm_campaign=emailupdates1day&utm_term=buying&sc_id=12352257&onetime_FromEmail=true
How Remainers see it.
You can see this now with migration, where EU migration is unmanaged and makes a profit, and non-EU migration is managed by the government, and makes a loss. It's almost as if the government is trying to lose money on purpose: For example, a non-UK spouse who will be dependent on their UK partner is allowed, but a non-UK spouse earning money and supporting a UK spouse is verboten.
The PD seem to be saying they will go into opposition, but then the SPD initially said that in Germany.
The site below seems to have the best maps:
http://elezioni.repubblica.it/2018/senatodellarepubblica
The centre-left even lost Emilia-Romagna which is firmly "red belt" and might be the first time it's been won by the right since the war.
The M5S meanwhile dominate the south, going all the way up to Marche and Abbruzzo on the Adriatic coast.
Thanks
DC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Star
"when Mrs May appeals for “a comprehensive system of mutual recognition” she is going still further. She is not asking for something that applies within the EU. She is asking for something that even EU Member States do not expect of each other. A “comprehensive system of mutual recognition” is not found within the EU. Mrs May is asking that the UK be treated better than a Member State of the EU."
But the speech is still seen as a triumph - so I suppose it served its purpose.
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Rerun of original: no.
New referendum on the deal: yes.
(Should we have ordered a sofa: well, yes, the facts there haven't changed much. Should we have the right to reject the sofa we're given? Also yes.)
It would be good for “the EU” to be less correlated with the “Eurozone”. Neither Italy or Greece should be in the Eurozone.
It is remarkable how Brexit addles brains on both sides.
Wifi problems.
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