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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,859
    Cyclefree said:

    Sandpit said:

    Department of Health funding 35 attendees at Cape Town anti-tobacco conference, Guido reckons the bill is £250k, including a bunch of academics who are supposed to be on strike.
    https://order-order.com/2018/03/07/250000-jolly-cape-town-striking-university-dons/

    This strike - and its effects on students, who are - at the moment paying for nothing - seem to have fallen off the radar. They shouldn’t. My son, in his second year, has had very little teaching since it started. So far all his coursework and exam results have shown him heading for a II(I). End of year exams are not that far off. To say that he is mightily pissed with what is happening would not be an exaggeration. As am I on his behalf.

    What is the Education Minister doing about this? Big fees, usurious interest rates, now no teaching..... and the Tories wonder why the young and, increasingly, their parents won’t vote for them.
    An interesting comment on the politics. Surely all the students should be abandoning Labour, as the party that supports the strikes?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    edited March 2018
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    The pendulum is swinging in much greater arcs that it's ever done before. The most charming and popular US President has been replaced by a redneck vulgarian moron.

    Leaving aside the somewhat inaccurate description of Trump, it's not true to say that Obama was the most popular US president. Going by the gallup series, that accolade goes to George W Bush, who hit a 90% approval rating immediately post-9/11 (he also scored one of the lowest approval ratings in history, bottoming out at 25% - only Nixon and Truman have scored worse). By contrast, Obama never received a better than his inaugural rating of 67%. He did do well in avoiding deep negatives, never dropping below 40% - but Kennedy and Eisenhower did better.
    According to a 2011 Gallup Obama was the 4th most popular post-war President with Reagan first then Clinton then Kennedy

    http://news.gallup.com/poll/146183/Americans-Say-Reagan-Greatest-President.aspx
    I don't trust those sort of polls. They always skew to the present and recent past, as evidenced there. Clinton and Kennedy greater than Washington or FDR?! Slight lack of historical perspective there, I think.
    Well that is always going to be the case in that polling favours more recent leaders a bit more than those from centuries past but as I only looked at post-war presidents the point still stands (though Lincoln came second)
    Lincoln coming second is justifiable, if it's to someone like Washington or Franklin Roosevelt. Reagan, while a better-than-average president, however, is a different matter.
    Historians generally rate Lincoln then Washington then FDR as the top 3 presidents but we were not looking at historians views or even really views of all US Presidents just polling on post-war Presidents
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States
    Except the polling wasn't about the best post-war president. And the responses demonstrate how seriously one can take it.
    Except the original statement was 'Obama was the most popular President', not the 'best President' which is something for historians to decide but the 'most popular' which can only be decided by polling.

    Given no current voter was alive when Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson etc were President and virtually none now when FDR was President too polling on them can largely be discarded (indeed there was no polling in the 18th and 19th centuries)
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,709

    Mordaunt is 75 on BF. Higher than Rory Stewart, who is not in Cabinet.

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/971308629335920641

    Hammond highly negative and Rudd slightly negative - who was it who called ConservativeHome 'Continuity UKIP'?
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223

    Canadian access, Norwegian obligations:

    https://twitter.com/TomMcTague/status/971318244404551680

    Or in other words, Verhofstadt providing yet more evidence that he’s a fanatical, rude and dangerous piece of proverbial. Acts like this increase the probability of a no deal Brexit.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,212
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    The pendulum is swinging in much greater arcs that it's ever done before. The most charming and popular US President has been replaced by a redneck vulgarian moron.

    Leaving aside the somewhat inaccurate description of Trump, it's not true to say that Obama was the most popular US president. Going by the gallup series, that accolade goes to George W Bush, who hit a 90% approval rating immediately post-9/11 (he also scored one of the lowest approval ratings in history, bottoming out at 25% - only Nixon and Truman have scored worse). By contrast, Obama never received a better than his inaugural rating of 67%. He did do well in avoiding deep negatives, never dropping below 40% - but Kennedy and Eisenhower did better.
    According to a 2011 Gallup Obama was the 4th most popular post-war President with Reagan first then Clinton then Kennedy

    http://news.gallup.com/poll/146183/Americans-Say-Reagan-Greatest-President.aspx
    I don't trust those sort of polls. They always skew to the present and recent past, as evidenced there. Clinton and Kennedy greater than Washington or FDR?! Slight lack of historical perspective there, I think.
    Well that is always going to be the case in that polling favours more recent leaders a bit more than those from centuries past but as I only looked at post-war presidents the point still stands (though Lincoln came second)
    Pretty well meaningless. Any poll which doesn't have Washington and Lincoln at the top has no sense of historical perspective.
    I'd put FDR third, and struggle to come up with a clear fourth.
    Thomas Jefferson.
    Jefferson' legacy was as divided as that of LBJ.
    Certainly one of the most consequential presidents, but a clear fourth best ? If you're prepared to ignore the expansion of slavery, perhaps.
    If you are ignoring the post war thing Teddy Roosevelt for me.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Department of Health funding 35 attendees at Cape Town anti-tobacco conference, Guido reckons the bill is £250k, including a bunch of academics who are supposed to be on strike.
    https://order-order.com/2018/03/07/250000-jolly-cape-town-striking-university-dons/

    What is the evidence of DoH funding?

    The costs quoted seem rather high too. I can fly to Capetown a lot cheaper than £2500 and find a hotel for less than £350 per night quite easily.

    My own study leave budget, including course fees is £800 per year, so often self fund conferences.

    Guido is saying that every academic institution funded by the DoH is sending representatives to the conference. He’s probably also assuming that they’ll be taking the 11 hour flight in the comfy seats and that the hotels in town will set their rates for the conference.

    Sunlight is always a good thing though, maybe people might ask the institutions concerned for the actual costs of what appears to be little more than a jolly.

    Hard working doctors might not appreciate the extent to which those on the civil service, academia and NGOs take the piss with these conferences.
    It is a conference, and academic researchers go to conferences. International conferences have to be held somewhere and that somewhere will be abroad for some but not all attendees. Guido is getting upset about £150,000 (inflated to £250k by including salaries) between 35 people. It is peanuts, and there is no direct charge to the DoH anyway.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,019


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    I'm saying that many Remainers think they can make offensive, belittling comments on the net that they wouldn't have the balls to stand up and say in the real world.
    Thank goodness that we have Leavers leading the way in civilized discourse.
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    This is totally unpleasant and unnecessary. Moderation please.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,859
    RoyalBlue said:

    Canadian access, Norwegian obligations:

    https://twitter.com/TomMcTague/status/971318244404551680

    Or in other words, Verhofstadt providing yet more evidence that he’s a fanatical, rude and dangerous piece of proverbial. Acts like this increase the probability of a no deal Brexit.
    The EU public pronouncemts seem to be talking straight past us, if they carry on with this attitude they won’t be getting a deal and won’t be getting a £40bn cheque.

    Let’s hope the adults are still talking behind the scenes.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    TOPPING said:

    Scott_P said:
    I can’t see how it will cost 83,000 jobs
    Especially as Brussels is already "its biggest centre of operations".
    No trace of confirmation bias there. No sirree.
    But 83,000 jobs lost? What are we talking about here - closing down the NHS?
    As we were told on 24/06/16:

    ' If you perchance thought that your London banking job would be safe with Britain outside the European Union, you were seemingly wrong. Consultants working for leading strategy firms in London say banks have activated their contingency plans and that the London job cuts are about to come thick and fast.

    “You’re looking at anything from 50,000 to 70,000 London finance jobs being moved overseas in the next 12 months,” predicts one consultant working with one of the top finance strategy firms in the City. “Jobs are going to be cut, and those cuts are going to start next week.” '

    https://news.efinancialcareers.com/uk-en/248265/london-banking-redundancies-brexit/

    I'd be interested to know how many London banking jobs there are now compared to before the Referendum.

    Of course there have been thousands of banking jobs lost before and since then but they were prole jobs in prole towns and caused by branch closures and therefore deemed unimportant.
    I checked at the start of the year (though the figures were up to about August 2017 IIRC) and there are more financial services jobs than in June 2016.

    They've said there would be job cuts every week for the last 80 weeks.

    Sure it might now happen - but it hasn't happened yet.
    I expect there will be job cuts in some areas (or perhaps jobs not replaced as people leave) but job increases in others.

    I would say that AI and globalisation are bigger threats to London banking than Brexit.
    Already back office jobs were being moved out of London into cheaper English locations.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,100
    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Department of Health funding 35 attendees at Cape Town anti-tobacco conference, Guido reckons the bill is £250k, including a bunch of academics who are supposed to be on strike.
    https://order-order.com/2018/03/07/250000-jolly-cape-town-striking-university-dons/

    What is the evidence of DoH funding?

    The costs quoted seem rather high too. I can fly to Capetown a lot cheaper than £2500 and find a hotel for less than £350 per night quite easily.

    My own study leave budget, including course fees is £800 per year, so often self fund conferences.

    Guido is saying that every academic institution funded by the DoH is sending representatives to the conference. He’s probably also assuming that they’ll be taking the 11 hour flight in the comfy seats and that the hotels in town will set their rates for the conference.

    Sunlight is always a good thing though, maybe people might ask the institutions concerned for the actual costs of what appears to be little more than a jolly.

    Hard working doctors might not appreciate the extent to which those on the civil service, academia and NGOs take the piss with these conferences.
    It is a conference, and academic researchers go to conferences. International conferences have to be held somewhere and that somewhere will be abroad for some but not all attendees. Guido is getting upset about £150,000 (inflated to £250k by including salaries) between 35 people. It is peanuts, and there is no direct charge to the DoH anyway.
    I for one am very surprised that it is the World Conference on Tobacco or Health that has been targeted. I am struggling to think of any interest group that would be opposed to this conference.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,019

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    If the Leavers got some of the Russkies involved that were so helpful during the Brexit campaign, they'd be in with a shout.
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited March 2018
    RoyalBlue said:

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    This is totally unpleasant and unnecessary. Moderation please.
    And a chair and some smelling salts for RoyalBlue, who has a case of the vapours after being exposed to something so terribly horrid.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983

    Mordaunt is 75 on BF. Higher than Rory Stewart, who is not in Cabinet.

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/971308629335920641

    Hammond highly negative and Rudd slightly negative - who was it who called ConservativeHome 'Continuity UKIP'?
    Hunt third most favourable and backed Remain, Lidington and Hinds and Hancock also former Remainers and in the top 10. Staunch Leaver Leadsom in the bottom half of the rankings
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    Bear in mind us remainers would be fielding most of Scotland, who are more than handy in a punch-up.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    If the Leavers got some of the Russkies involved that were so helpful during the Brexit campaign, they'd be in with a shout.
    All the remainers need is a few Irish republicans, what's a few nail bombs between friends?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,100
    edited March 2018

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    If the Leavers got some of the Russkies involved that were so helpful during the Brexit campaign, they'd be in with a shout.
    Well, given that everyone under 30 would be off the field of battle in their "safe space".....

    And who needs Russkies when we've got the White Van Man Mechanised Division?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,914
    I'm starting to wonder if Jolyon Maugham's EU heart is leading his QC head on all these failed court challenged to Brexit.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,914
    Anorak said:

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    Bear in mind us remainers would be fielding most of Scotland, who are more than handy in a punch-up.
    But how did the good supporters who attend Ibrox Park vote ?
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Pulpstar said:

    I'm starting to wonder if Jolyon Maugham's EU heart is leading his QC head on all these failed court challenged to Brexit.

    Only starting to wonder?

    Brexit has sent a few of our liberal elites completely insane.
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    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    If the Leavers got some of the Russkies involved that were so helpful during the Brexit campaign, they'd be in with a shout.
    Well, given that everyone under 30 would be off the field of battle in their "safe space".....

    And who needs Russkies when we've got the White Van Man Mechanised Division?
    We’d have Black Watch.

    They’d go into battle replete with kilts and win.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,188

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    The pendulum is swinging in much greater arcs that it's ever done before. The most charming and popular US President has been replaced by a redneck vulgarian moron.

    Leaving aside the somewhat inaccurate description of Trump, it's not true to say that Obama was the most popular US president. Going by the gallup series, that accolade goes to George W Bush, who hit a 90% approval rating immediately post-9/11 (he also scored one of the lowest approval ratings in history, bottoming out at 25% - only Nixon and Truman have scored worse). By contrast, Obama never received a better than his inaugural rating of 67%. He did do well in avoiding deep negatives, never dropping below 40% - but Kennedy and Eisenhower did better.
    According to a 2011 Gallup Obama was the 4th most popular post-war President with Reagan first then Clinton then Kennedy

    http://news.gallup.com/poll/146183/Americans-Say-Reagan-Greatest-President.aspx
    I don't trust those sort of polls. They always skew to the present and recent past, as evidenced there. Clinton and Kennedy greater than Washington or FDR?! Slight lack of historical perspective there, I think.
    Yep. FDR won 4 terms. Doubt even Kennedy would have sustained his popularity that long.
    Kennedy remains popular because he was good looking and had the fortune to get shot before it went wrong in Vietnam and with Civil Rights. Ask people what he did and you might get some vague notion of national renewal or avoiding nuclear war, which while not insignificant, is a pretty low bar.
    JFK's speeches are better known than his record in office.
    Mainly written by Ted Sorenson.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,100
    Anorak said:

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    Bear in mind us remainers would be fielding most of Scotland, who are more than handy in a punch-up.
    Oh, the stereotyping..... *feints*

    But we'd have endless supplies of tea and cake.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,937


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    I'm saying that many Remainers think they can make offensive, belittling comments on the net that they wouldn't have the balls to stand up and say in the real world.
    But that is a common trait amongst the general population, and I'd suggest there is no difference *in total* between remainers and leavers in this regard.

    You evidently think otherwise. ;)
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Can the leavers also have every gun owner in the US that voted for Trump?
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,019
    Anorak said:

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    Bear in mind us remainers would be fielding most of Scotland, who are more than handy in a punch-up.
    Thankfully we can depend on malc to do a temporary transfer for the day.
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    Pulpstar said:

    Anorak said:

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    Bear in mind us remainers would be fielding most of Scotland, who are more than handy in a punch-up.
    But how did the good supporters who attend Ibrox Park vote ?
    They backed Remain. They love supporting the Huns.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,188
    Get your popcorn. It's all kicking off in Labour.

    https://twitter.com/Maomentum_/status/971313096789839872
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,188
    Thornberry looking for ways to avoid another outburst about england flags?

    https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/971300056400842754
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Anorak said:

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    Bear in mind us remainers would be fielding most of Scotland, who are more than handy in a punch-up.
    Oh, the stereotyping..... *feints*

    But we'd have endless supplies of tea and cake.
    "Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that"

    Oh, the stereotyping.....
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,100


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    I'm saying that many Remainers think they can make offensive, belittling comments on the net that they wouldn't have the balls to stand up and say in the real world.
    But that is a common trait amongst the general population, and I'd suggest there is no difference *in total* between remainers and leavers in this regard.

    You evidently think otherwise. ;)
    The evidence on here suggests otherwise.... :)
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    Thornberry looking for ways to avoid another outburst about england flags?

    https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/971300056400842754

    An elegant solution to save us being knocked out in the group stage by Belgium.
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    I really do hate Emily Thornberry’s England centric outlook.

    Why isn’t she calling for Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland to boycott the World Cup in Russia?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,976
    Mr. Eagles, if sport is war by other means, does this suggest the Reds might hack the video replay technology? :p
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,588
    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Department of Health funding 35 attendees at Cape Town anti-tobacco conference, Guido reckons the bill is £250k, including a bunch of academics who are supposed to be on strike.
    https://order-order.com/2018/03/07/250000-jolly-cape-town-striking-university-dons/

    What is the evidence of DoH funding?

    The costs quoted seem rather high too. I can fly to Capetown a lot cheaper than £2500 and find a hotel for less than £350 per night quite easily.

    My own study leave budget, including course fees is £800 per year, so often self fund conferences.

    Guido is saying that every academic institution funded by the DoH is sending representatives to the conference. He’s probably also assuming that they’ll be taking the 11 hour flight in the comfy seats and that the hotels in town will set their rates for the conference.

    Sunlight is always a good thing though, maybe people might ask the institutions concerned for the actual costs of what appears to be little more than a jolly.

    Hard working doctors might not appreciate the extent to which those on the civil service, academia and NGOs take the piss with these conferences.
    Really?

    The programme seems to be of quite a serious academic nature:

    http://www.professionalabstracts.com/wctoh2018/iplanner/#/grid/1520380800

    With significant research on tobacco control measures such as plain packaging across the world, for the number one cause of cancer in the world.

    Not my part of public health, but perfectly valid, and several of the people going are speaking, so may well be funded by the conference itself.

    My last similar Jolly was to Liverpool last May, staying in a £60 hotel.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Pulpstar said:

    Anorak said:

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    Bear in mind us remainers would be fielding most of Scotland, who are more than handy in a punch-up.
    But how did the good supporters who attend Ibrox Park vote ?
    They backed Remain. They love supporting the Huns.
    Oh dear TSE - using offensive sectarian language - to the gulag with you for re-education.


    http://nilbymouth.org/history/

    "Offensive sectarian language is still used in Scotland on a daily basis, with abusive terms such as “H*n” and “Orange b*stard” being used negatively against Protestants (or those perceived to be)

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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,282

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    Leavers.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    edited March 2018


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....

    Hardly a Remain trait.
    Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.

    That’s not being a “democrat”, that’s just a nihilist attack on anyone or anything that articulates inconvenient opinions or facts.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,100
    MaxPB said:

    Can the leavers also have every gun owner in the US that voted for Trump?

    We'd just settle for the Remainers having Hillary.....
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,100

    Mr. Eagles, if sport is war by other means, does this suggest the Reds might hack the video replay technology? :p

    Aren't they already? Couldn't be in more disrepute if it tried.....
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    TGOHF said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Anorak said:

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    Bear in mind us remainers would be fielding most of Scotland, who are more than handy in a punch-up.
    But how did the good supporters who attend Ibrox Park vote ?
    They backed Remain. They love supporting the Huns.
    Oh dear TSE - using offensive sectarian language - to the gulag with you for re-education.


    http://nilbymouth.org/history/

    "Offensive sectarian language is still used in Scotland on a daily basis, with abusive terms such as “H*n” and “Orange b*stard” being used negatively against Protestants (or those perceived to be)

    Oh. I’m not really up with Rangers, they’ve only been around since 2012.

    If they had been around for longer like Celtic I might know more like them.

    All I know about Rangers is that all their fans have their PIN as 1690.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    Anorak said:

    Anorak said:

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    Bear in mind us remainers would be fielding most of Scotland, who are more than handy in a punch-up.
    Oh, the stereotyping..... *feints*

    But we'd have endless supplies of tea and cake.
    "Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that"

    Oh, the stereotyping.....
    Indeed! Is Marquee Mark suggesting that the decrepit and deluded are most likely to be found in Hull and Stoke pubs?
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    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....

    Hardly a Remain trait.
    Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.

    That’s not being a “democrat”, that’s just a nihilist attack on anyone or anything that articulates inconvenient opinions or facts.
    Absolutely.

    This denigration of the French is disgusting and only got worse since the referendum.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,976
    Mr. Mark, according to the video replay, Yuri Gagarin's mission was a success, although the status of the goal is inconclusive.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,019
    edited March 2018
    TGOHF said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Anorak said:

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    Bear in mind us remainers would be fielding most of Scotland, who are more than handy in a punch-up.
    But how did the good supporters who attend Ibrox Park vote ?
    They backed Remain. They love supporting the Huns.
    Oh dear TSE - using offensive sectarian language - to the gulag with you for re-education.


    http://nilbymouth.org/history/

    "Offensive sectarian language is still used in Scotland on a daily basis, with abusive terms such as “H*n” and “Orange b*stard” being used negatively against Protestants (or those perceived to be)

    Blue & orange snowflakes, who knew?
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited March 2018
    *snip*


    Absolutely.

    This denigration of the French is disgusting and only got worse since the referendum.

    As we're busy stereotyping the Scots and the French:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZUKEVU-TwM
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    Anorak said:

    Anorak said:

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    Bear in mind us remainers would be fielding most of Scotland, who are more than handy in a punch-up.
    Oh, the stereotyping..... *feints*

    But we'd have endless supplies of tea and cake.
    "Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that"

    Oh, the stereotyping.....
    Indeed! Is Marquee Mark suggesting that the decrepit and deluded are most likely to be found in Hull and Stoke pubs?
    To be fair Stoke is an absolute shit hole.

    Only the deluded or decrepit would want to live there.
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    brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315

    I really do hate Emily Thornberry’s England centric outlook.

    Why isn’t she calling for Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland to boycott the World Cup in Russia?

    I expect Lady Nugee is a big football fan - her borough covers Arsenal.

    If England did pull out of the tournament would they be replaced by one of the four European teams who missed out in the playoffs - including Northern Ireland and the Republic? Or does their group just go down to 3 teams?

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    NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758

    Anorak said:

    Anorak said:

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    Bear in mind us remainers would be fielding most of Scotland, who are more than handy in a punch-up.
    Oh, the stereotyping..... *feints*

    But we'd have endless supplies of tea and cake.
    "Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that"

    Oh, the stereotyping.....
    Indeed! Is Marquee Mark suggesting that the decrepit and deluded are most likely to be found in Hull and Stoke pubs?
    To be fair Stoke is an absolute shit hole.

    Only the deluded or decrepit would want to live there.
    Stoke is a nice easy target for those making a lazy jest.The Potteries is actually a very interesting area with signs of economic recovery and creativity as well as post-industrial poverty. There is much that is attractive as well as parts that I concede currently fall into the shit hole category.
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    TOPPING said:

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    Leavers.
    Leavers as they would keep asking if they could arrange the ruck for another year.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    The pendulum is swinging in much greater arcs that it's ever done before. The most charming and popular US President has been replaced by a redneck vulgarian moron.

    Leaving aside the somewhat inaccurate description of Trump, it's not true to say that Obama was the most popular US president. Going by the gallup series, that accolade goes to George W Bush, who hit a 90% approval rating immediately post-9/11 (he also scored one of the lowest approval ratings in history, bottoming out at 25% - only Nixon and Truman have scored worse). By contrast, Obama never received a better than his inaugural rating of 67%. He did do well in avoiding deep negatives, never dropping below 40% - but Kennedy and Eisenhower did better.
    According to a 2011 Gallup Obama was the 4th most popular post-war President with Reagan first then Clinton then Kennedy

    http://news.gallup.com/poll/146183/Americans-Say-Reagan-Greatest-President.aspx
    I don't trust those sort of polls. They always skew to the present and recent past, as evidenced there. Clinton and Kennedy greater than Washington or FDR?! Slight lack of historical perspective there, I think.
    Well that is always going to be the case in that polling favours more recent leaders a bit more than those from centuries past but as I only looked at post-war presidents the point still stands (though Lincoln came second)
    Lincoln coming second is justifiable, if it's to someone like Washington or Franklin Roosevelt. Reagan, while a better-than-average president, however, is a different matter.
    Historians generally rate Lincoln then Washington then FDR as the top 3 presidents but we were not looking at historians views or even really views of all US Presidents just polling on post-war Presidents
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States
    No, that poll was of all presidents.
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    RoyalBlue said:

    Canadian access, Norwegian obligations:

    https://twitter.com/TomMcTague/status/971318244404551680

    Or in other words, Verhofstadt providing yet more evidence that he’s a fanatical, rude and dangerous piece of proverbial. Acts like this increase the probability of a no deal Brexit.
    Thing is, "no deal is better than a bad deal" applies much more to the EU than it does to the UK. From their point of view, a bad deal is an existential threat, whereas no deal just means some, probably temporary, economic hardship. They would much rather have no deal than a deal which appears to give an undue advantage to the UK. If the UK does not understand this, then the outcome will be no deal.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    The pendulum is swinging in much greater arcs that it's ever done before. The most charming and popular US President has been replaced by a redneck vulgarian moron.

    Leaving aside the somewhat inaccurate description of Trump, it's not true to say that Obama was the most popular US president. Going by the gallup series, that accolade goes to George W Bush, who hit a 90% approval rating immediately post-9/11 (he also scored one of the lowest approval ratings in history, bottoming out at 25% - only Nixon and Truman have scored worse). By contrast, Obama never received a better than his inaugural rating of 67%. He did do well in avoiding deep negatives, never dropping below 40% - but Kennedy and Eisenhower did better.
    According to a 2011 Gallup Obama was the 4th most popular post-war President with Reagan first then Clinton then Kennedy

    http://news.gallup.com/poll/146183/Americans-Say-Reagan-Greatest-President.aspx
    I don't trust those sort of polls. They always skew to the present and recent past, as evidenced there. Clinton and Kennedy greater than Washington or FDR?! Slight lack of historical perspective there, I think.
    Well that is always going to be the case in that polling favours more recent leaders a bit more than those from centuries past but as I only looked at post-war presidents the point still stands (though Lincoln came second)
    Pretty well meaningless. Any poll which doesn't have Washington and Lincoln at the top has no sense of historical perspective.
    I'd put FDR third, and struggle to come up with a clear fourth.
    Thomas Jefferson.
    Jefferson as president is massively overrated. Rather like Grant, he gets a huge bonus from having done great things outside his presidency.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,100

    Anorak said:

    Anorak said:

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    Bear in mind us remainers would be fielding most of Scotland, who are more than handy in a punch-up.
    Oh, the stereotyping..... *feints*

    But we'd have endless supplies of tea and cake.
    "Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that"

    Oh, the stereotyping.....
    Indeed! Is Marquee Mark suggesting that the decrepit and deluded are most likely to be found in Hull and Stoke pubs?
    I've been taken to some nice pubs in the Stoke area.

    Admittedly, Hull - not so much...
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,019
    edited March 2018
    brendan16 said:

    I really do hate Emily Thornberry’s England centric outlook.

    Why isn’t she calling for Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland to boycott the World Cup in Russia?

    I expect Lady Nugee is a big football fan - her borough covers Arsenal.

    If England did pull out of the tournament would they be replaced by one of the four European teams who missed out in the playoffs - including Northern Ireland and the Republic? Or does their group just go down to 3 teams?

    Through gritted teeth, I'd have to say it should be Slovakia.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,610
    edited March 2018


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....

    Hardly a Remain trait.
    Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
    .
    What did I write that was inaccurate?

    The “doing down” was in your head.

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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,100
    I look forward to the next pb.com gathering being held in a pub in Stoke, where our Remainers will be encouraged to be full and frank on their views about those who voted for Brexit....
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,100
    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    Leavers.
    Leavers as they would keep asking if they could arrange the ruck for another year.
    Whilst the Remainers would be wanting yet ANOTHER referendum on whether we should be having the ruck at all....
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    Anorak said:

    Anorak said:

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    Bear in mind us remainers would be fielding most of Scotland, who are more than handy in a punch-up.
    Oh, the stereotyping..... *feints*

    But we'd have endless supplies of tea and cake.
    "Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that"

    Oh, the stereotyping.....
    Indeed! Is Marquee Mark suggesting that the decrepit and deluded are most likely to be found in Hull and Stoke pubs?
    I've been taken to some nice pubs in the Stoke area.

    Admittedly, Hull - not so much...
    Beverley near Hull is good, also has horse racing there.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,100
    Yorkcity said:

    Anorak said:

    Anorak said:

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    Bear in mind us remainers would be fielding most of Scotland, who are more than handy in a punch-up.
    Oh, the stereotyping..... *feints*

    But we'd have endless supplies of tea and cake.
    "Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that"

    Oh, the stereotyping.....
    Indeed! Is Marquee Mark suggesting that the decrepit and deluded are most likely to be found in Hull and Stoke pubs?
    I've been taken to some nice pubs in the Stoke area.

    Admittedly, Hull - not so much...
    Beverley near Hull is good, also has horse racing there.
    Beverley isn't Hull! To be fair to Hull, neither is Withernsea.....
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    edited March 2018


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....

    Hardly a Remain trait.
    Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
    .
    What did I write that was inaccurate?

    The “doing down” was in your head.

    No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited March 2018


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....

    Hardly a Remain trait.
    Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
    .
    What did I write that was inaccurate?

    The “doing down” was in your head.

    So says a woman. <-- Accurate, but still offensive.

    You knew *exactly* what you were doing when you called him French.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,052

    I look forward to the next pb.com gathering being held in a pub in Stoke, where our Remainers will be encouraged to be full and frank on their views about those who voted for Brexit....

    It’s highly dishonourable for well-heeled Brexiteers to hide behind a human shield of ordinary voters to avoid being held to account for their own poor judgement.

    They told everyone to put everything they own on an old nag called ‘Take Back Control’ who now lies crippled at Becher's Brook, and now want to deflect the blame.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,610
    Anorak said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....

    Hardly a Remain trait.
    Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
    .
    What did I write that was inaccurate?

    The “doing down” was in your head.

    So says a woman. <-- Accurate, but still offensive.

    You knew *exactly* what you were doing when you called him French.</p>
    So calling someone 'French' is to denigrate them?

    Its a view, not one I share, but there we are.....
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    It wouldn't come to a fight. The Royal Brigade of Snowflakes in the Remain vanguard would crumble and run at the first micro-aggression and seek a safe space.

    Even I'm getting bored with Brexit now. It's been fun to tease them, but it's too easy now. Come on, Remainers, time to accept the result with good grace, and we'll do our best to be magnanimous.
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    RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    TOPPING said:

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    Leavers.
    It would cost a fortune to lay on the toilets. Especially for the leaver side.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,610


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....

    Hardly a Remain trait.
    Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
    .
    What did I write that was inaccurate?

    The “doing down” was in your head.

    No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.

    What did I write that was inaccurate?
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....

    Hardly a Remain trait.
    Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
    .
    What did I write that was inaccurate?

    The “doing down” was in your head.

    No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
    Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,914

    I look forward to the next pb.com gathering being held in a pub in Stoke, where our Remainers will be encouraged to be full and frank on their views about those who voted for Brexit....

    Plymouth Moor View was the most leavery constituency in your neck of the woods :)
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    Get your popcorn. It's all kicking off in Labour.

    https://twitter.com/Maomentum_/status/971313096789839872

    That's a parody account.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,188
    John_M said:

    Get your popcorn. It's all kicking off in Labour.

    https://twitter.com/Maomentum_/status/971313096789839872

    That's a parody account.
    Yep, I know. But they are joking about the anti-union stuff coming out of Momentum, now that Lansman is running against Unite.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,282

    I look forward to the next pb.com gathering being held in a pub in Stoke, where our Remainers will be encouraged to be full and frank on their views about those who voted for Brexit....

    It’s highly dishonourable for well-heeled Brexiteers to hide behind a human shield of ordinary voters to avoid being held to account for their own poor judgement.

    They told everyone to put everything they own on an old nag called ‘Take Back Control’ who now lies crippled at Becher's Brook, and now want to deflect the blame.
    And now, rather than stand, naked to the waist on Salisbury Plain, challenging any and all Remainers to come and have a go, it seems instead Mark wants the good burghers of Hull and Stoke to perpetrate the violence on his behalf.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,188

    Yorkcity said:

    Anorak said:

    Anorak said:

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    Bear in mind us remainers would be fielding most of Scotland, who are more than handy in a punch-up.
    Oh, the stereotyping..... *feints*

    But we'd have endless supplies of tea and cake.
    "Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that"

    Oh, the stereotyping.....
    Indeed! Is Marquee Mark suggesting that the decrepit and deluded are most likely to be found in Hull and Stoke pubs?
    I've been taken to some nice pubs in the Stoke area.

    Admittedly, Hull - not so much...
    Beverley near Hull is good, also has horse racing there.
    Beverley isn't Hull! To be fair to Hull, neither is Withernsea.....
    Nor is Hull. It is Kingston upon Hull.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....

    Hardly a Remain trait.
    Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
    .
    What did I write that was inaccurate?

    The “doing down” was in your head.

    No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.

    What did I write that was inaccurate?
    Implying that him being French or the "ex" head of the LSE had anything to do with the projection on jobs. The projection was made well before he left and well before there was any trouble for him.

    If anything the projection was probably coloured by the fact that there was a merger between LSE and Deutsch Börse which had no chance of going through after a leave vote.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    TOPPING said:

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    Leavers.
    It would cost a fortune to lay on the toilets. Especially for the leaver side.
    Is that because remainers shit their pants at the first sign of trouble?
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....

    Hardly a Remain trait.
    Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
    .
    What did I write that was inaccurate?

    The “doing down” was in your head.

    No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
    What did I write that was inaccurate?
    I said you were doing him down, not defaming him. Everyone on here knows what you meant. It’s not a big deal, but it’s sad that you carry on this way, day after day.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,282
    edited March 2018
    MaxPB said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....

    Hardly a Remain trait.
    Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
    .
    What did I write that was inaccurate?

    The “doing down” was in your head.

    No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
    Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.
    Max don't be a blockhead. It is fun rhetoric but they are seeking to minimise the damage and maximise the welfare done to their country. As they are paid to do.

    If you really do think they are traitors it betrays a woeful lack of intelligence on your part concerning the current socio-economo-political environment.

    But as I say it is fun to write on an internet chatroom.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    MaxPB said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....

    Hardly a Remain trait.
    Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
    .
    What did I write that was inaccurate?

    The “doing down” was in your head.

    No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
    Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.
    Traitors to whom? It’s really dangerous language to use, and I wish you wouldn’t.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    edited March 2018

    MaxPB said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....

    Hardly a Remain trait.
    Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
    .
    What did I write that was inaccurate?

    The “doing down” was in your head.

    No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
    Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.
    Traitors to whom? It’s really dangerous language to use, and I wish you wouldn’t.
    To the party, and by extension the country, given the alternative.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,914
    One artifact of the 2017 election was an increase in the Tory vote in Labour Brexit strongholds that they'll never(*) win.

    (*) Probably not in the next 30-40 years

    Sheffield South East +6480 votes..
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....

    Hardly a Remain trait.
    Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
    .
    What did I write that was inaccurate?

    The “doing down” was in your head.

    No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
    Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.
    Max don't be a blockhead. It is fun rhetoric but they are seeking to minimise the damage and maximise the welfare done to their country. As they are paid to do.

    If you really do think they are traitors it betrays a woeful lack of intelligence on your part concerning the current socio-economo-political environment.

    But as I say it is fun to write on an internet chatroom.
    They are seeking to overturn the democratic vote through the backdoor.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,937
    MaxPB said:

    TOPPING said:

    Dura_Ace said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
    It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
    The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
    In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
    Leavers.
    It would cost a fortune to lay on the toilets. Especially for the leaver side.
    Is that because remainers shit their pants at the first sign of trouble?
    That's a bit rich, coming from someone who fled the country when your side won. ;)
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908
    Tricky for the media to keep up.
    Previously they could just search replace hard-line union plot with hard-line momentum plot... but now they're fighting each other!?
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    Mr PB,

    I think you forgot to give a trigger warning.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,282
    MaxPB said:

    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....

    Hardly a Remain trait.
    Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
    .
    What did I write that was inaccurate?

    The “doing down” was in your head.

    No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
    Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.
    Max don't be a blockhead. It is fun rhetoric but they are seeking to minimise the damage and maximise the welfare done to their country. As they are paid to do.

    If you really do think they are traitors it betrays a woeful lack of intelligence on your part concerning the current socio-economo-political environment.

    But as I say it is fun to write on an internet chatroom.
    They are seeking to overturn the democratic vote through the backdoor.
    No they aren't. They are MPs and are doing what they believe is appropriate within the confines of the legal and regulatory system, to achieve an outcome they believe will benefit the country.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    The pendulum is swinging in much greater arcs that it's ever done before. The most charming and popular US President has been replaced by a redneck vulgarian moron.

    Leaving aside the somewhat inaccurate description of Trump, it's not true to say that Obama was the most popular US president. Going by the gallup series, that accolade goes to George W Bush, who hit a 90% approval rating immediately post-9/11 (he also scored one of the lowest approval ratings in history, bottoming out at 25% - only Nixon and Truman have scored worse). By contrast, Obama never received a better than his inaugural rating of 67%. He did do well in avoiding deep negatives, never dropping below 40% - but Kennedy and Eisenhower did better.
    According to a 2011 Gallup Obama was the 4th most popular post-war President with Reagan first then Clinton then Kennedy

    http://news.gallup.com/poll/146183/Americans-Say-Reagan-Greatest-President.aspx
    I don't trust those sort of polls. They always skew to the present and recent past, as evidenced there. Clinton and Kennedy greater than Washington or FDR?! Slight lack of historical perspective there, I think.
    Well that is always going to be the case in that polling favours more recent leaders a bit more than those from centuries past but as I only looked at post-war presidents the point still stands (though Lincoln came second)
    Lincoln coming second is justifiable, if it's to someone like Washington or Franklin Roosevelt. Reagan, while a better-than-average president, however, is a different matter.
    Historians generally rate Lincoln then Washington then FDR as the top 3 presidents but we were not looking at historians views or even really views of all US Presidents just polling on post-war Presidents
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States
    No, that poll was of all presidents.
    Which as I have already stated was irrelevant for the likes of Lincoln, Washington etc as no voters were alive when they were President and there was no polling in the 18th and 19th centuries either.

    Which was why I only looked at the polling numbers for post-war presidents
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....

    Hardly a Remain trait.
    Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
    .
    What did I write that was inaccurate?

    The “doing down” was in your head.

    No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
    Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.
    Traitors to whom? It’s really dangerous language to use, and I wish you wouldn’t.
    To the party, and by extension the country, given the alternative.
    So Tory backbenchers should do anything the government tells them to, for fear of Corbyn?

    That’s not democracy, it’s dictatorship.

    It’s not treachery, it’s just called doing your job as an MP. And as much as I hate Corbyn, 40% of the country voted for his party too.
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    A journalist has just said the trade deal talks with Saudi are worth 100 billion. That is huge if true but I do not know much about trade with Saudi other than we have a lot of defence jobs in the UK depending on a good relationship
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,985
    MaxPB said:


    To the party, and by extension the country, given the alternative.

    The interests of the tory party and the country are not the same thing. The last year of the tory party negotiating with itself have vividly demonstrated that if nothing else.

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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....

    Hardly a Remain trait.
    Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
    .
    What did I write that was inaccurate?

    The “doing down” was in your head.

    No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
    Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.
    Traitors to whom? It’s really dangerous language to use, and I wish you wouldn’t.
    To the party, and by extension the country, given the alternative.
    So Tory backbenchers should do anything the government tells them to, for fear of Corbyn?

    That’s not democracy, it’s dictatorship.

    It’s not treachery, it’s just called doing your job as an MP. And as much as I hate Corbyn, 40% of the country voted for his party too.
    No, they should do what the people have told them to do.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    edited March 2018
    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....

    Hardly a Remain trait.
    Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
    .
    What did I write that was inaccurate?

    The “doing down” was in your head.

    No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
    Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.
    Max don't be a blockhead. It is fun rhetoric but they are seeking to minimise the damage and maximise the welfare done to their country. As they are paid to do.

    If you really do think they are traitors it betrays a woeful lack of intelligence on your part concerning the current socio-economo-political environment.

    But as I say it is fun to write on an internet chatroom.
    They are seeking to overturn the democratic vote through the backdoor.
    No they aren't. They are MPs and are doing what they believe is appropriate within the confines of the legal and regulatory system, to achieve an outcome they believe will benefit the country.
    They are MPs who handed the decision making process over to the people and are now trying their best to ignore the decision the people made because they don't agree with it and it doesn't serve their masters in Brussels.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,282
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....

    Hardly a Remain trait.
    Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
    .
    What did I write that was inaccurate?

    The “doing down” was in your head.

    No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
    Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.
    Traitors to whom? It’s really dangerous language to use, and I wish you wouldn’t.
    To the party, and by extension the country, given the alternative.
    So Tory backbenchers should do anything the government tells them to, for fear of Corbyn?

    That’s not democracy, it’s dictatorship.

    It’s not treachery, it’s just called doing your job as an MP. And as much as I hate Corbyn, 40% of the country voted for his party too.
    No, they should do what the people have told them to do.
    Max you're having a shocker this morning. In the event of a Labour Party victory at the next election, should Jacob Rees-Mogg sign up to nationalisation of the hedge fund industry, and suchlike?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,497
    MaxPB said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....

    Hardly a Remain trait.
    Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
    .
    What did I write that was inaccurate?

    The “doing down” was in your head.

    No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
    Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.
    Interesting that you've adopted the discourse of the extreme left.

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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,282
    MaxPB said:

    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....

    Hardly a Remain trait.
    Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
    .
    What did I write that was inaccurate?

    The “doing down” was in your head.

    No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
    Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.
    Max don't be a blockhead. It is fun rhetoric but they are seeking to minimise the damage and maximise the welfare done to their country. As they are paid to do.

    If you really do think they are traitors it betrays a woeful lack of intelligence on your part concerning the current socio-economo-political environment.

    But as I say it is fun to write on an internet chatroom.
    They are seeking to overturn the democratic vote through the backdoor.
    No they aren't. They are MPs and are doing what they believe is appropriate within the confines of the legal and regulatory system, to achieve an outcome they believe will benefit the country.
    They are MPs who handed the decision making process over to the people and are now trying their best to ignore the decision the people made because they don't agree with it and it doesn't serve their masters in Brussels.
    Max you are teetering on embarrassing yourself here.
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    Is Michael O'Leary really threatening to ground his planes the morning after Brexit goes through to reach the Leavers a lesson? It's supposedly a Daily Mail story, but if true, I would be really offended and would boycott his airline if I hadn't already done so some years ago.

    Go on, Michael, you can show Ratner how it's done.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:


    Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped

    Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....

    Hardly a Remain trait.
    Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
    .
    What did I write that was inaccurate?

    The “doing down” was in your head.

    No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
    Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.
    Traitors to whom? It’s really dangerous language to use, and I wish you wouldn’t.
    To the party, and by extension the country, given the alternative.
    So Tory backbenchers should do anything the government tells them to, for fear of Corbyn?

    That’s not democracy, it’s dictatorship.

    It’s not treachery, it’s just called doing your job as an MP. And as much as I hate Corbyn, 40% of the country voted for his party too.
    No, they should do what the people have told them to do.
    Max you're having a shocker this morning. In the event of a Labour Party victory at the next election, should Jacob Rees-Mogg sign up to nationalisation of the hedge fund industry, and suchlike?
    No, but I'd expect Jez's MPs to do so. In case you haven't noticed, I only consider the Tory MPs to be traitors, Labour are in the opposition. It is their job to oppose and ask the tough questions. That there are 12 Tories who are playing that game is a shame and hopefully they get deselected.
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