Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
Hardly a Remain trait. Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”. .
What did I write that was inaccurate?
The “doing down” was in your head.
No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.
Max don't be a blockhead. It is fun rhetoric but they are seeking to minimise the damage and maximise the welfare done to their country. As they are paid to do.
If you really do think they are traitors it betrays a woeful lack of intelligence on your part concerning the current socio-economo-political environment.
But as I say it is fun to write on an internet chatroom.
They are seeking to overturn the democratic vote through the backdoor.
No they aren't. They are MPs and are doing what they believe is appropriate within the confines of the legal and regulatory system, to achieve an outcome they believe will benefit the country.
They are MPs who handed the decision making process over to the people and are now trying their best to ignore the decision the people made because they don't agree with it and it doesn't serve their masters in Brussels.
That sort of language doesn't help anyone other than the likes of Trump, Le Pen and other populists who would whip up anger to serve their own purposes.
The public told the politicians that the UK should leave the EU: that the country is doing. They didn't say how we should leave: that's for the politicians to sort out.
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
Leavers.
It would cost a fortune to lay on the toilets. Especially for the leaver side.
Is that because remainers shit their pants at the first sign of trouble?
That's a bit rich, coming from someone who fled the country when your side won.
Someone should tally up the top 20 (most frequent?) posters, divide them by Leave or Remain and figure out whether they are living in the U.K. or not.
A lot of Leavers (Sandpit, Max, @rcs1000) seem to be living abroad. Of Remainers I can oly think of @edmundintokyo
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
Bear in mind us remainers would be fielding most of Scotland, who are more than handy in a punch-up.
But how did the good supporters who attend Ibrox Park vote ?
They backed Remain. They love supporting the Huns.
Oh dear TSE - using offensive sectarian language - to the gulag with you for re-education.
"Offensive sectarian language is still used in Scotland on a daily basis, with abusive terms such as “H*n” and “Orange b*stard” being used negatively against Protestants (or those perceived to be)
All I know about Rangers is that all their fans have their PIN as 1690.
True that - for reference Celtic fans use 8080 in tribute to Bobby Sands.
I'm a bit concerned that Lansman describes Labour as a Social Democratic party, rather than as a Socialist party. Clearly he must be some sort of Blairite red Tory in the pocket of Liz Kendall.
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
Hardly a Remain trait. Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”. .
What did I write that was inaccurate?
The “doing down” was in your head.
No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.
Traitors to whom? It’s really dangerous language to use, and I wish you wouldn’t.
To the party, and by extension the country, given the alternative.
So Tory backbenchers should do anything the government tells them to, for fear of Corbyn?
That’s not democracy, it’s dictatorship.
It’s not treachery, it’s just called doing your job as an MP. And as much as I hate Corbyn, 40% of the country voted for his party too.
No, they should do what the people have told them to do.
Max you're having a shocker this morning. In the event of a Labour Party victory at the next election, should Jacob Rees-Mogg sign up to nationalisation of the hedge fund industry, and suchlike?
No, but I'd expect Jez's MPs to do so. In case you haven't noticed, I only consider the Tory MPs to be traitors, Labour are in the opposition. It is their job to oppose and ask the tough questions. That there are 12 Tories who are playing that game is a shame and hopefully they get deselected.
Only if you want the Tory party to become the irrelevance that UKIP now is.
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
Hardly a Remain trait. Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”. .
What did I write that was inaccurate?
The “doing down” was in your head.
No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.
Traitors to whom? It’s really dangerous language to use, and I wish you wouldn’t.
To the party, and by extension the country, given the alternative.
So Tory backbenchers should do anything the government tells them to, for fear of Corbyn?
That’s not democracy, it’s dictatorship.
It’s not treachery, it’s just called doing your job as an MP. And as much as I hate Corbyn, 40% of the country voted for his party too.
No, they should do what the people have told them to do.
Max you're having a shocker this morning. In the event of a Labour Party victory at the next election, should Jacob Rees-Mogg sign up to nationalisation of the hedge fund industry, and suchlike?
No, but I'd expect Jez's MPs to do so. In case you haven't noticed, I only consider the Tory MPs to be traitors, Labour are in the opposition. It is their job to oppose and ask the tough questions. That there are 12 Tories who are playing that game is a shame and hopefully they get deselected.
So do I have to google Tory rebels to see who has voted against their party and put them in the traitors bucket?
I'm sure there will be some surprising names on there but the bigger point is that MPs rebel against their party all the time. And their electorates have the opportunity to dislodge them if they believe they are not representing their interests appropriately.
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
Hardly a Remain trait. Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”. .
What did I write that was inaccurate?
The “doing down” was in your head.
No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.
Max don't be a blockhead. It is fun rhetoric but they are seeking to minimise the damage and maximise the welfare done to their country. As they are paid to do.
If you really do think they are traitors it betrays a woeful lack of intelligence on your part concerning the current socio-economo-political environment.
But as I say it is fun to write on an internet chatroom.
They are seeking to overturn the democratic vote through the backdoor.
The backdoor of a parliament elected since the referendum ? An interesting constitutional opinion.
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
Bear in mind us remainers would be fielding most of Scotland, who are more than handy in a punch-up.
But how did the good supporters who attend Ibrox Park vote ?
They backed Remain. They love supporting the Huns.
Oh dear TSE - using offensive sectarian language - to the gulag with you for re-education.
"Offensive sectarian language is still used in Scotland on a daily basis, with abusive terms such as “H*n” and “Orange b*stard” being used negatively against Protestants (or those perceived to be)
All I know about Rangers is that all their fans have their PIN as 1690.
True that - for reference Celtic fans use 8080 in tribute to Bobby Sands.
Is that because 80 is the number for a chicken supper on their local takeaway menu?
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
Hardly a Remain trait. Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”. .
What did I write that was inaccurate?
The “doing down” was in your head.
No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
What did I write that was inaccurate?
I said you were doing him down, not defaming him. Everyone on here knows what you meant. It’s not a big deal, but it’s sad that you carry on this way, day after day.
Oh, it’s one of those “it’s not your argument but you have the temerity to make it” things, is it?
Well, that’s me put in my place! Ever so sorry, I’m sure...
I look forward to the next pb.com gathering being held in a pub in Stoke, where our Remainers will be encouraged to be full and frank on their views about those who voted for Brexit....
It’s highly dishonourable for well-heeled Brexiteers to hide behind a human shield of ordinary voters to avoid being held to account for their own poor judgement.
They told everyone to put everything they own on an old nag called ‘Take Back Control’ who now lies crippled at Becher's Brook, and now want to deflect the blame.
And now, rather than stand, naked to the waist on Salisbury Plain, challenging any and all Remainers to come and have a go, it seems instead Mark wants the good burghers of Hull and Stoke to perpetrate the violence on his behalf.
I'm sure the good people of Stoke and Hull and Hartlepool and all those other "shit-holes" that voted Leave can take offence on their own at being called pig-shit thicko decrepits by Remainers. But I'm happy to stand side-by-side with them.
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
Bear in mind us remainers would be fielding most of Scotland, who are more than handy in a punch-up.
But how did the good supporters who attend Ibrox Park vote ?
They backed Remain. They love supporting the Huns.
Oh dear TSE - using offensive sectarian language - to the gulag with you for re-education.
"Offensive sectarian language is still used in Scotland on a daily basis, with abusive terms such as “H*n” and “Orange b*stard” being used negatively against Protestants (or those perceived to be)
All I know about Rangers is that all their fans have their PIN as 1690.
True that - for reference Celtic fans use 8080 in tribute to Bobby Sands.
Is that because 80 is the number for a chicken supper on their local takeaway menu?
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
Hardly a Remain trait. Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”. .
What did I write that was inaccurate?
The “doing down” was in your head.
No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.
Max don't be a blockhead. It is fun rhetoric but they are seeking to minimise the damage and maximise the welfare done to their country. As they are paid to do.
If you really do think they are traitors it betrays a woeful lack of intelligence on your part concerning the current socio-economo-political environment.
But as I say it is fun to write on an internet chatroom.
They are seeking to overturn the democratic vote through the backdoor.
No they aren't. They are MPs and are doing what they believe is appropriate within the confines of the legal and regulatory system, to achieve an outcome they believe will benefit the country.
They are MPs who handed the decision making process over to the people and are now trying their best to ignore the decision the people made because they don't agree with it and it doesn't serve their masters in Brussels.
That sort of language doesn't help anyone other than the likes of Trump, Le Pen and other populists who would whip up anger to serve their own purposes.
The public told the politicians that the UK should leave the EU: that the country is doing. They didn't say how we should leave: that's for the politicians to sort out.
And consistently there has been a cabal of Tory MPs who want to overturn that vote, and they are doing whatever they can to see that happen.
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...
The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.
In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?
Leavers.
It would cost a fortune to lay on the toilets. Especially for the leaver side.
Is that because remainers shit their pants at the first sign of trouble?
That's a bit rich, coming from someone who fled the country when your side won.
Someone should tally up the top 20 (most frequent?) posters, divide them by Leave or Remain and figure out whether they are living in the U.K. or not.
A lot of Leavers (Sandpit, Max, @rcs1000) seem to be living abroad. Of Remainers I can oly think of @edmundintokyo
Roger and tyson (perhaps not now?) are emigres from our xenophobic hellhole. I, of course, will go down with the Brexit ship. Noblesse oblige etc.
The pendulum is swinging in much greater arcs that it's ever done before. The most charming and popular US President has been replaced by a redneck vulgarian moron.
Leaving aside the somewhat inaccurate description of Trump, it's not true to say that Obama was the most popular US president. Going by the gallup series, that accolade goes to George W Bush, who hit a 90% approval rating immediately post-9/11 (he also scored one of the lowest approval ratings in history, bottoming out at 25% - only Nixon and Truman have scored worse). By contrast, Obama never received a better than his inaugural rating of 67%. He did do well in avoiding deep negatives, never dropping below 40% - but Kennedy and Eisenhower did better.
According to a 2011 Gallup Obama was the 4th most popular post-war President with Reagan first then Clinton then Kennedy
I don't trust those sort of polls. They always skew to the present and recent past, as evidenced there. Clinton and Kennedy greater than Washington or FDR?! Slight lack of historical perspective there, I think.
Well that is always going to be the case in that polling favours more recent leaders a bit more than those from centuries past but as I only looked at post-war presidents the point still stands (though Lincoln came second)
Pretty well meaningless. Any poll which doesn't have Washington and Lincoln at the top has no sense of historical perspective. I'd put FDR third, and struggle to come up with a clear fourth.
Thomas Jefferson.
Jefferson as president is massively overrated. Rather like Grant, he gets a huge bonus from having done great things outside his presidency.
Mr. Walker, not sure there's much point, unless you want to dispel the myth of xenophobia, of course
(Snip)
How would that disprove xenophobia? Member of an ethnic group from country A, now living in country B, can be xenophobic to members of ethnic group C. Particularly where the people in group A are well assimilated and part of the 'in-group' of country B.
In fact, it's perfectly possible for xenophobic views to transfer between countries as people emigrate and immigrate.
Not being from country B does not give a get-out-of-jail free card. or excuse, for sick views.
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
Hardly a Remain trait. Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”. .
What did I write that was inaccurate?
The “doing down” was in your head.
No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.
Max don't be a blockhead. It is fun rhetoric but they are seeking to minimise the damage and maximise the welfare done to their country. As they are paid to do.
If you really do think they are traitors it betrays a woeful lack of intelligence on your part concerning the current socio-economo-political environment.
But as I say it is fun to write on an internet chatroom.
They are seeking to overturn the democratic vote through the backdoor.
The backdoor of a parliament elected since the referendum ? An interesting constitutional opinion.
Exactly!
Take back control! But only if the control does what we want, otherwise it's the wrong sort of control...
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
Hardly a Remain trait. Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”. .
What did I write that was inaccurate?
The “doing down” was in your head.
No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
What did I write that was inaccurate?
I said you were doing him down, not defaming him. Everyone on here knows what you meant. It’s not a big deal, but it’s sad that you carry on this way, day after day.
Oh, it’s one of those “it’s not your argument but you have the temerity to make it” things, is it?
Well, that’s me put in my place! Ever so sorry, I’m sure...
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
Hardly a Remain trait. Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”. .
What did I write that was inaccurate?
The “doing down” was in your head.
No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.
Traitors to whom? It’s really dangerous language to use, and I wish you wouldn’t.
To the party, and by extension the country, given the alternative.
So Tory backbenchers should do anything the government tells them to, for fear of Corbyn?
That’s not democracy, it’s dictatorship.
It’s not treachery, it’s just called doing your job as an MP. And as much as I hate Corbyn, 40% of the country voted for his party too.
No, they should do what the people have told them to do.
Max you're having a shocker this morning. In the event of a Labour Party victory at the next election, should Jacob Rees-Mogg sign up to nationalisation of the hedge fund industry, and suchlike?
No, but I'd expect Jez's MPs to do so. In case you haven't noticed, I only consider the Tory MPs to be traitors, Labour are in the opposition. It is their job to oppose and ask the tough questions. That there are 12 Tories who are playing that game is a shame and hopefully they get deselected.
Only if you want the Tory party to become the irrelevance that UKIP now is.
UKIP are only now an irrelevance as the Tories are fully implementing Brexit
I hereby award you the Snowflake "Best example of taking offence on someone else's behalf medal".
You may call me a traitor or even a c*nt. I will do my best to sleep tonight. I'm sure Mrs Soubry et al are equally resilient.
I’m not taking offence, I’m both disputing the premise that the 12 dissident Tories are “traitors to their country” and also suggesting it’s dangerous language in these febrile times. It’s not so long that an MP was murdered on our streets by a man using similar language.
But why am I arguing with someone who uses the term “Snowflake”? Tells me everything I need to know about you.
Come along, chaps. Hurling pejorative terms doesn't do much to advance the debate or offer exciting new insights.
For what it's worth, I think Soubry, Grieve et al. are utterly wrongheaded and foolish in their tactics and aims. Terms like 'traitor' are not something with which I'm comfortable. The example of my own (correct in direction but excessive in nature) criticism of Ed Miliband, which was starkly shown to be the case when a genuine far left idiot in Corbyn arose, makes me wary of such things.
I think 'snowflake' is another matter. A great many people attempt to end arguments not with the power of reason but by shrieking they're offended and attempting to silence those who have the temerity to disagree with them. It shouldn't be overdone, but 'snowflake' is a pithy and useful term for deriding the terminally over-sensitive and rancidly censorious.
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
Hardly a Remain trait. Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”. .
What did I write that was inaccurate?
The “doing down” was in your head.
No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.
Traitors to whom? It’s really dangerous language to use, and I wish you wouldn’t.
To the party, and by extension the country, given the alternative.
So Tory backbenchers should do anything the government tells them to, for fear of Corbyn?
That’s not democracy, it’s dictatorship.
It’s not treachery, it’s just called doing your job as an MP. And as much as I hate Corbyn, 40% of the country voted for his party too.
No, they should do what the people have told them to do.
Max you're having a shocker this morning. In the event of a Labour Party victory at the next election, should Jacob Rees-Mogg sign up to nationalisation of the hedge fund industry, and suchlike?
No, but I'd expect Jez's MPs to do so. In case you haven't noticed, I only consider the Tory MPs to be traitors, Labour are in the opposition. It is their job to oppose and ask the tough questions. That there are 12 Tories who are playing that game is a shame and hopefully they get deselected.
Only if you want the Tory party to become the irrelevance that UKIP now is.
UKIP are only now an irrelevance as the Tories are fully implementing Brexit
And as Sunil keeps reminding us 52 per cent is greater than 48 per cent - particularly when the SNP, Plaid, Lib Dems and Greens are competing for the latter with you.
The ONS will give regional breakdowns, not clear if Halifax (or the other one - Nationwide?) do. It is the London/ROW split that will be instructive
I expect London will also see a fall though property prices still well ahead of the rest of the country
Well London prices would need to halve to not be "well ahead of the rest of the country"!
London prices will always be ahead of the rest of the country yes even if overall prices halved.
If you want to live in a global city expect to pay a global city premium, if you want to buy a cheap property move to Wales or the North East of England
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
Hardly a Remain trait. Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”. .
What did I write that was inaccurate?
The “doing down” was in your head.
No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.
Traitors to whom? It’s really dangerous language to use, and I wish you wouldn’t.
To the party, and by extension the country, given the alternative.
So Tory backbenchers should do anything the government tells them to, for fear of Corbyn?
That’s not democracy, it’s dictatorship.
It’s not treachery, it’s just called doing your job as an MP. And as much as I hate Corbyn, 40% of the country voted for his party too.
No, they should do what the people have told them to do.
Max you're having a shocker this morning. In the event of a Labour Party victory at the next election, should Jacob Rees-Mogg sign up to nationalisation of the hedge fund industry, and suchlike?
No, but I'd expect Jez's MPs to do so. In case you haven't noticed, and hopefully they get deselected.
Only if you want the Tory party to become the irrelevance that UKIP now is.
UKIP are only now an irrelevance as the Tories are fully implementing Brexit
And as Sunil keeps reminding us 52 per cent is greater than 48 per cent - particularly when the SNP, Plaid, Lib Dems and Greens are competing for the latter with you.
Yes, there are 5 parties represented in Parliament a majority of whose voters voted Remain and 1 who stand at general elections but do not take their seats in Sinn Fein.
By contrast only 2 parties with MPs, the Tories and DUP and one without an MP in UKIP saw a majority of their voters vote Leave
Not watching, but sounds like Jezza has had a mare.
From the Guardian:
PMQs - Snap verdict: A patchy PMQs, with creditable performances by both Corbyn and May, but no stand-out winner.
Was Corbyn really that bad?
Yes. He started off getting a slapping by Tezza on the women’s thing then nibbled at the Saudis but when he realised that Thornberry had said much the same thing this morning as Tezza he switched to homelessness where a previous quote by him about Labour’s homelessness policy undid him.
Interestingly it looks like NAFTA countries are going to be exempt and the EU would be in the wrong if they hit back with their own tariffs targeted specifically at the US.
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....
Hardly a Remain trait. Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”. .
What did I write that was inaccurate?
The “doing down” was in your head.
No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.
Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.
Traitors to whom? It’s really dangerous language to use, and I wish you wouldn’t.
To the party, and by extension the country, given the alternative.
So Tory backbenchers should do anything the government tells them to, for fear of Corbyn?
That’s not democracy, it’s dictatorship.
It’s not treachery, it’s just called doing your job as an MP. And as much as I hate Corbyn, 40% of the country voted for his party too.
No, they should do what the people have told them to do.
Max you're having a shocker this morning. In the event of a Labour Party victory at the next election, should Jacob Rees-Mogg sign up to nationalisation of the hedge fund industry, and suchlike?
No, but I'd expect Jez's MPs to do so. In case you haven't noticed, and hopefully they get deselected.
Only if you want the Tory party to become the irrelevance that UKIP now is.
UKIP are only now an irrelevance as the Tories are fully implementing Brexit
And as Sunil keeps reminding us 52 per cent is greater than 48 per cent - particularly when the SNP, Plaid, Lib Dems and Greens are competing for the latter with you.
Yes, there are 5 parties represented in Parliament a majority of whose voters voted Remain and 1 who stand at general elections but do not take their seats in Sinn Fein.
By contrast only 2 parties with MPs, the Tories and DUP and one without an MP in UKIP saw a majority of their voters vote Leave
Especially as Brussels is already "its biggest centre of operations".
No trace of confirmation bias there. No sirree.
But 83,000 jobs lost? What are we talking about here - closing down the NHS?
As we were told on 24/06/16:
' If you perchance thought that your London banking job would be safe with Britain outside the European Union, you were seemingly wrong. Consultants working for leading strategy firms in London say banks have activated their contingency plans and that the London job cuts are about to come thick and fast.
“You’re looking at anything from 50,000 to 70,000 London finance jobs being moved overseas in the next 12 months,” predicts one consultant working with one of the top finance strategy firms in the City. “Jobs are going to be cut, and those cuts are going to start next week.” '
I'd be interested to know how many London banking jobs there are now compared to before the Referendum.
Of course there have been thousands of banking jobs lost before and since then but they were prole jobs in prole towns and caused by branch closures and therefore deemed unimportant.
I checked at the start of the year (though the figures were up to about August 2017 IIRC) and there are more financial services jobs than in June 2016.
They've said there would be job cuts every week for the last 80 weeks.
Sure it might now happen - but it hasn't happened yet.
I expect there will be job cuts in some areas (or perhaps jobs not replaced as people leave) but job increases in others.
I would say that AI and globalisation are bigger threats to London banking than Brexit.
A Corbyn/McDonnell government is an even bigger threat. And just over the Channel is a large single Market with a passporting regime.....
This strike - and its effects on students, who are - at the moment paying for nothing - seem to have fallen off the radar. They shouldn’t. My son, in his second year, has had very little teaching since it started. So far all his coursework and exam results have shown him heading for a II(I). End of year exams are not that far off. To say that he is mightily pissed with what is happening would not be an exaggeration. As am I on his behalf.
What is the Education Minister doing about this? Big fees, usurious interest rates, now no teaching..... and the Tories wonder why the young and, increasingly, their parents won’t vote for them.
Are you suggesting the taxpayer should just give into the academics demands?
That would be unfair on everyone who doesn’t have as cushty a pension arrangement
Completely off topic I've just got a new car which has auto-park yet I'm scared out of my mind when I try to use it. Suddenly your are moving, the steering wheel goes round and you are not in control. I abort. Has anybody got any experience?
Mind you, with a Labour MP bleating about making wolf-whistling a hate crime, PBers are advised to buy my Sir Edric books sooner rather than later (given he commits adultery on the first page of the first book, I suspect he wouldn't receive the snowflake seal of approval...).
Especially as Brussels is already "its biggest centre of operations".
No trace of confirmation bias there. No sirree.
But 83,000 jobs lost? What are we talking about here - closing down the NHS?
As we were told on 24/06/16:
' If you perchance thought that your London banking job would be safe with Britain outside the European Union, you were seemingly wrong. Consultants working for leading strategy firms in London say banks have activated their contingency plans and that the London job cuts are about to come thick and fast.
“You’re looking at anything from 50,000 to 70,000 London finance jobs being moved overseas in the next 12 months,” predicts one consultant working with one of the top finance strategy firms in the City. “Jobs are going to be cut, and those cuts are going to start next week.” '
I'd be interested to know how many London banking jobs there are now compared to before the Referendum.
Of course there have been thousands of banking jobs lost before and since then but they were prole jobs in prole towns and caused by branch closures and therefore deemed unimportant.
I checked at the start of the year (though the figures were up to about August 2017 IIRC) and there are more financial services jobs than in June 2016.
They've said there would be job cuts every week for the last 80 weeks.
Sure it might now happen - but it hasn't happened yet.
I expect there will be job cuts in some areas (or perhaps jobs not replaced as people leave) but job increases in others.
I would say that AI and globalisation are bigger threats to London banking than Brexit.
A Corbyn/McDonnell government is an even bigger threat. And just over the Channel is a large single Market with a passporting regime.....
With thousands of companies, banks and government/local authorities that need London's capital markets to raise money. I don't think Brexit and the City is as clear cut as people believe, see the French finance minister's comments on equivalence today and him speaking of mutual recognition rather than the one way street that has been proposed until now by the Commission. They need access to London's money markets more than they want to let on.
This strike - and its effects on students, who are - at the moment paying for nothing - seem to have fallen off the radar. They shouldn’t. My son, in his second year, has had very little teaching since it started. So far all his coursework and exam results have shown him heading for a II(I). End of year exams are not that far off. To say that he is mightily pissed with what is happening would not be an exaggeration. As am I on his behalf.
What is the Education Minister doing about this? Big fees, usurious interest rates, now no teaching..... and the Tories wonder why the young and, increasingly, their parents won’t vote for them.
Are you suggesting the taxpayer should just give into the academics demands?
That would be unfair on everyone who doesn’t have as cushty a pension arrangement
You'd have thought students would be smart enough to figure out who pays for their lecturers' pensions, but apparently not.
Basically, although still short of the recent peaks in 2015 employment in financial services had been increasing for 3 consecutive quarters to the end of 2017. Given the ever more aggressive branch closure programs of the Banks that seems to me to be quite encouraging.
Basically, although still short of the recent peaks in 2015 employment in financial services had been increasing for 3 consecutive quarters to the end of 2017. Given the ever more aggressive branch closure programs of the Banks that seems to me to be quite encouraging.
My memory isn't too shabby then.
Thank heavens...
My personal view is that Brexit is a drag on *adding* jobs in financial services, particularly at the higher end. Not an exodus, but we will be worser off for it.
Italy, Ipsos poll: Preferred PM Di Maio (M5S-EFDD): 40% Technocrat: 23% Salvini (LEGA-ENF): 21%
Polling also suffers a Five Star - Lega coalition would be most popular (or least unpopular, it only has 32%). “Grand coalition” looks to be as popular as cancer.
Italy, Ipsos poll: Preferred PM Di Maio (M5S-EFDD): 40% Technocrat: 23% Salvini (LEGA-ENF): 21%
With Renzi having ruled out a deal with 5* and Lega and FI lacking a majority and Salvini unlikely to agree to play second fiddle to Di Maio a Forza Italia and 5* deal which makes Di Maio PM might be the only way to a majority
I'd be interested to know how many London banking jobs there are now compared to before the Referendum.
Of course there have been thousands of banking jobs lost before and since then but they were prole jobs in prole towns and caused by branch closures and therefore deemed unimportant.
I checked at the start of the year (though the figures were up to about August 2017 IIRC) and there are more financial services jobs than in June 2016.
They've said there would be job cuts every week for the last 80 weeks.
Sure it might now happen - but it hasn't happened yet.
I expect there will be job cuts in some areas (or perhaps jobs not replaced as people leave) but job increases in others.
I would say that AI and globalisation are bigger threats to London banking than Brexit.
A Corbyn/McDonnell government is an even bigger threat. And just over the Channel is a large single Market with a passporting regime.....
With thousands of companies, banks and government/local authorities that need London's capital markets to raise money. I don't think Brexit and the City is as clear cut as people believe, see the French finance minister's comments on equivalence today and him speaking of mutual recognition rather than the one way street that has been proposed until now by the Commission. They need access to London's money markets more than they want to let on.
Yes, there’s an awful lot of dependency on the City in shifting public and private sector debt all over Europe. Its why there will be a deal, no matter how much Drunker and his political idiots think Britain should be punished for Brexit.
[On a serious note, if people just used it tongue in cheek, I wouldn't care. But I've seen people online have their opinions ignored and denounced simply for being men speaking to women. It also ties nicely in with the general lack of concern for men (cf victims of sexual abuse, domestic violence, refuge funding, suicides etc)].
Mr. Glenn, actually, I'm a slaphead. It's more aerodynamically efficient.
I'd be interested to know how many London banking jobs there are now compared to before the Referendum.
Of course there have been thousands of banking jobs lost before and since then but they were prole jobs in prole towns and caused by branch closures and therefore deemed unimportant.
I checked at the start of the year (though the figures were up to about August 2017 IIRC) and there are more financial services jobs than in June 2016.
They've said there would be job cuts every week for the last 80 weeks.
Sure it might now happen - but it hasn't happened yet.
I expect there will be job cuts in some areas (or perhaps jobs not replaced as people leave) but job increases in others.
I would say that AI and globalisation are bigger threats to London banking than Brexit.
A Corbyn/McDonnell government is an even bigger threat. And just over the Channel is a large single Market with a passporting regime.....
With thousands of companies, banks and government/local authorities that need London's capital markets to raise money. I don't think Brexit and the City is as clear cut as people believe, see the French finance minister's comments on equivalence today and him speaking of mutual recognition rather than the one way street that has been proposed until now by the Commission. They need access to London's money markets more than they want to let on.
Yes, there’s an awful lot of dependency on the City in shifting public and private sector debt all over Europe. Its why there will be a deal, no matter how much Drunker and his political idiots think Britain should be punished for Brexit.
Is this just the tarted up version of “Italian prosecco growers will make sure there’s a deal”?
Finally, before I get back to work, it's good to see the EU accept that there's no chance of staying in the customs union. It seemed last week they were making a last ditch effort to keep us in it as they knew it was the most unfavourable outcome for the UK.
To be fair though, Tessie's delivery was quite good that time -- usually, even when she does have a decent joke, she botches the timing, her voice cracks at the punchline, etc.
If you're desperately trying to get other countries to sign new treaties with you against a deadline it's not a great look to be blatantly violating the ones you've previously signed.
To be fair though, Tessie's delivery was quite good that time -- usually, even when she does have a decent joke, she botches the timing, her voice cracks at the punchline, etc.
I've noticed the voice cracking thing - when Jezza first went onto homelessness her first answer was cracked until she got into her stride (hence why she blathered on about saudis for a while: you could see and hear her ruffling the pages in her file get to the right section).
They need to iron that out - also why whichever impersonator it is is so good (sorry can't remember her name): she gets the cracking perfectly.
Is this just the tarted up version of “Italian prosecco growers will make sure there’s a deal”?
No, collectively EU companies and banks raise well over €1tn worth of equity and debt in London, that market won't easily be replicated in the EU after we've left which means they will still need to raise that money in London. For that reason I think there is a deal to be done on mutual recognition.
Basically, although still short of the recent peaks in 2015 employment in financial services had been increasing for 3 consecutive quarters to the end of 2017. Given the ever more aggressive branch closure programs of the Banks that seems to me to be quite encouraging.
My memory isn't too shabby then.
Thank heavens...
My personal view is that Brexit is a drag on *adding* jobs in financial services, particularly at the higher end. Not an exodus, but we will be worser off for it.
In the short term where there is continued uncertainty that is almost inevitably true but the effects seem modest. In the medium term much will depend on the terms of the FTA with the EU, passporting and whether the ECB takes more steps to have Euro denominated transactions banked within the EZ. That seems likely but there are strong underlying trends in favour of London that should comfortably offset that.
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The public told the politicians that the UK should leave the EU: that the country is doing. They didn't say how we should leave: that's for the politicians to sort out.
A lot of Leavers (Sandpit, Max, @rcs1000) seem to be living abroad. Of Remainers I can oly think of @edmundintokyo
I'm sure there will be some surprising names on there but the bigger point is that MPs rebel against their party all the time. And their electorates have the opportunity to dislodge them if they believe they are not representing their interests appropriately.
Do I really need to explain this? To you?
An interesting constitutional opinion.
F1: McLaren broke down again... [some time ago]
Well, that’s me put in my place! Ever so sorry, I’m sure...
*stands naked to the waist*
I hereby award you the Snowflake "Best example of taking offence on someone else's behalf medal".
You may call me a traitor or even a c*nt. I will do my best to sleep tonight. I'm sure Mrs Soubry et al are equally resilient.
Not sure I disagree with anything there...
In fact, it's perfectly possible for xenophobic views to transfer between countries as people emigrate and immigrate.
Not being from country B does not give a get-out-of-jail free card. or excuse, for sick views.
Take back control! But only if the control does what we want, otherwise it's the wrong sort of control...
Its not a good article - not up to LRB standards - but the point is interesting and I’ve seen it made elsewhere.
But why am I arguing with someone who uses the term “Snowflake”? Tells me everything I need to know about you.
"But why am I arguing with someone who uses the term “Snowflake”? Tells me everything I need to know about you."
Arrrgh! The burn, the burn.
The average house price also fell in value from £226 000 last November to £224 000 this February
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43314465
The ONS will give regional breakdowns, not clear if Halifax (or the other one - Nationwide?) do.
It is the London/ROW split that will be instructive
How is he going to carry out the basic duties of the job e.g. meeting foreigners who are not representatives of Russia, Hamas or Iran?
For what it's worth, I think Soubry, Grieve et al. are utterly wrongheaded and foolish in their tactics and aims. Terms like 'traitor' are not something with which I'm comfortable. The example of my own (correct in direction but excessive in nature) criticism of Ed Miliband, which was starkly shown to be the case when a genuine far left idiot in Corbyn arose, makes me wary of such things.
I think 'snowflake' is another matter. A great many people attempt to end arguments not with the power of reason but by shrieking they're offended and attempting to silence those who have the temerity to disagree with them. It shouldn't be overdone, but 'snowflake' is a pithy and useful term for deriding the terminally over-sensitive and rancidly censorious.
Nice. You should be a writer.
If you want to live in a global city expect to pay a global city premium, if you want to buy a cheap property move to Wales or the North East of England
PMQs - Snap verdict: A patchy PMQs, with creditable performances by both Corbyn and May, but no stand-out winner.
Was Corbyn really that bad?
By contrast only 2 parties with MPs, the Tories and DUP and one without an MP in UKIP saw a majority of their voters vote Leave
If the EU puts tariffs on American products, the UK should simply refuse to comply. Heck, what are they going to do – kick us out?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/britain-should-rise-above-trumps-trade-war/
That would be unfair on everyone who doesn’t have as cushty a pension arrangement
Mind you, with a Labour MP bleating about making wolf-whistling a hate crime, PBers are advised to buy my Sir Edric books sooner rather than later (given he commits adultery on the first page of the first book, I suspect he wouldn't receive the snowflake seal of approval...).
Italy, Ipsos poll:
Preferred PM
Di Maio (M5S-EFDD): 40%
Technocrat: 23%
Salvini (LEGA-ENF): 21%
Basically, although still short of the recent peaks in 2015 employment in financial services had been increasing for 3 consecutive quarters to the end of 2017. Given the ever more aggressive branch closure programs of the Banks that seems to me to be quite encouraging.
He looks seriously depressed that the UK is leaving.
I'm no fan of the EU (at all!) but the one thing that does upset me is leaving the Poles at the mercy of the others.
Thank heavens...
My personal view is that Brexit is a drag on *adding* jobs in financial services, particularly at the higher end. Not an exodus, but we will be worser off for it.
https://twitter.com/europeelects/status/971362181114683392
[On a serious note, if people just used it tongue in cheek, I wouldn't care. But I've seen people online have their opinions ignored and denounced simply for being men speaking to women. It also ties nicely in with the general lack of concern for men (cf victims of sexual abuse, domestic violence, refuge funding, suicides etc)].
Mr. Glenn, actually, I'm a slaphead. It's more aerodynamically efficient.
They need to iron that out - also why whichever impersonator it is is so good (sorry can't remember her name): she gets the cracking perfectly.