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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    @Luckyguy1983's favourite leader suggests that the people interfering in the US election might not be Russians, but "Jews, just with Russian citizenship".

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-u-s-election-interference-i-couldn-t-care-less-n855151

    No racism in Russia...they had an inquiry and everything...
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    Scott_P said:
    That's a great thread. Pissweasel is a superb putdown, but hats off to the person who came up with Farage Against The Machine.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,076

    FF43 said:

    He exaggerates. The government central FTA prediction is that Brexit has one third of the effect of the Great Depression on GDP. 5% loss of GDP versus 15% of the Great Depression. WTO would be half the effect at 8%


    https://twitter.com/D_Blanchflower/status/971764021547425794

    A man so wrong with pretty much every prediction, he is even testing the saying broken clock is right twice a day...

    If he hadn't been chosen to be on the MPC, I wonder if he would have any standing at all. His academic work up to that point had been shit to put it mildly.
    He'll always have this claim to fame:

    ' Blanchflower v. Blanchflower, 150 N.H. 226, is a landmark decision by the New Hampshire Supreme Court which ruled that sexual relations between two females, one of whom is married, does not constitute adultery because it is not technically sexual intercourse. '

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanchflower_v._Blanchflower
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Leopards don't change their spots...

    Tatler Tory Mark Clarke quits his job in the City after claims he sexually harassed a female colleague

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5484435/Tatler-Tory-Mark-Clarke-quits-job-sexual-harassment-claims.html
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,076

    viewcode said:

    Floater said:

    viewcode said:

    John_M said:



    Can I commend 'Fall Out' to you? It highlights the strategic straitjacket Mrs May (with a very small cabal) constructed for herself, very early on in the process.

    Believe it or not, yes you can. I do note reading recommendations - I tried to order "The Wooden World" but it's a print-on-demand book, and I have successfully ordered "Superforecasters" and will read it. "All Out War" and its successor "Fall Out: A Year of Political Mayhem" are on my list and will read.

    To explain. I've done all the Max Hastings now (at least the military history ones) - I did "Nemesis" over Xmas - but his next one (about Vietnam) isn't published until later this year, so I have a gap. Neither Ferguson nor Beevor quite fill the gap, so I'm twiddling my thumbs.

    I'm plowing thru "The Blunders of our Governments" at the moment (here) and I am sneakily drawn to this guy (https://twitter.com/redhistorian ), but any suggestions are welcome. Paperbacks only: my floors are creaking already... :(

    Tail End Charlies about the bomber war in Europe from mid 44 is a superb and poignant read
    "Tail-end Charlies : the last battles of the bomber war, 1944-45" by John Nichol and Tony Rennell. Noted.

    Didn’t more men, and a higher percentage of those conscripted, die in Bomber Command than any other similar unit? And, AIUI, failing to ‘volunteer’ to go on ‘just one more’ raid could result in censure..... lack of moral fibre and so on.
    Bomber Command aircrews.

    Bomber Command ground personnel, who would have been many times the number, would have had much lower casualty rates.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,058

    viewcode said:

    Floater said:

    viewcode said:

    John_M said:



    Can I commend 'Fall Out' to you? It highlights the strategic straitjacket Mrs May (with a very small cabal) constructed for herself, very early on in the process.

    Believe it or not, yes you can. I do note reading recommendations - I tried to order "The Wooden World" but it's a print-on-demand book, and I have successfully ordered "Superforecasters" and will read it. "All Out War" and its successor "Fall Out: A Year of Political Mayhem" are on my list and will read.

    To explain. I've done all the Max Hastings now (at least the military history ones) - I did "Nemesis" over Xmas - but his next one (about Vietnam) isn't published until later this year, so I have a gap. Neither Ferguson nor Beevor quite fill the gap, so I'm twiddling my thumbs.

    I'm plowing thru "The Blunders of our Governments" at the moment (here) and I am sneakily drawn to this guy (https://twitter.com/redhistorian ), but any suggestions are welcome. Paperbacks only: my floors are creaking already... :(

    Tail End Charlies about the bomber war in Europe from mid 44 is a superb and poignant read
    "Tail-end Charlies : the last battles of the bomber war, 1944-45" by John Nichol and Tony Rennell. Noted.

    Didn’t more men, and a higher percentage of those conscripted, die in Bomber Command than any other similar unit? And, AIUI, failing to ‘volunteer’ to go on ‘just one more’ raid could result in censure..... lack of moral fibre and so on.
    I think the USAAF daylight bombers crews had similar losses (50%?) 1943-44. German U Boat crews suffered the highest loss rate of any distinct service arm I believe.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    FF43 said:

    He exaggerates. The government central FTA prediction is that Brexit has one third of the effect of the Great Depression on GDP. 5% loss of GDP versus 15% of the Great Depression. WTO would be half the effect at 8%


    https://twitter.com/D_Blanchflower/status/971764021547425794

    A man so wrong with pretty much every prediction, he is even testing the saying broken clock is right twice a day...

    If he hadn't been chosen to be on the MPC, I wonder if he would have any standing at all. His academic work up to that point had been shit to put it mildly.
    He'll always have this claim to fame:

    ' Blanchflower v. Blanchflower, 150 N.H. 226, is a landmark decision by the New Hampshire Supreme Court which ruled that sexual relations between two females, one of whom is married, does not constitute adultery because it is not technically sexual intercourse. '

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanchflower_v._Blanchflower
    Holy shit; the volumes that speaks about his judgment, intellect and common sense.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,977
    edited March 2018

    viewcode said:

    Floater said:

    viewcode said:

    John_M said:



    Can I commend 'Fall Out' to you? It highlights the strategic straitjacket Mrs May (with a very small cabal) constructed for herself, very early on in the process.

    Believe it or not, yes you can. I do note reading recommendations - I tried to order "The Wooden World" but it's a print-on-demand book, and I have successfully ordered "Superforecasters" and will read it. "All Out War" and its successor "Fall Out: A Year of Political Mayhem" are on my list and will read.

    To explain. I've done all the Max Hastings now (at least the military history ones) - I did "Nemesis" over Xmas - but his next one (about Vietnam) isn't published until later this year, so I have a gap. Neither Ferguson nor Beevor quite fill the gap, so I'm twiddling my thumbs.

    I'm plowing thru "The Blunders of our Governments" at the moment (here) and I am sneakily drawn to this guy (https://twitter.com/redhistorian ), but any suggestions are welcome. Paperbacks only: my floors are creaking already... :(

    Tail End Charlies about the bomber war in Europe from mid 44 is a superb and poignant read
    "Tail-end Charlies : the last battles of the bomber war, 1944-45" by John Nichol and Tony Rennell. Noted.

    Didn’t more men, and a higher percentage of those conscripted, die in Bomber Command than any other similar unit? And, AIUI, failing to ‘volunteer’ to go on ‘just one more’ raid could result in censure..... lack of moral fibre and so on.
    Bomber Command aircrews.

    Bomber Command ground personnel, who would have been many times the number, would have had much lower casualty rates.
    Of course. My father was ground crew ..... a fitter-armourer. I don;t think he heard a shot fired, apart from the anti-aircraft guns near our house on the rare occasions he was home, or of course when he was involved in trials of new equipment.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,205

    Scott_P said:
    That's a great thread. Pissweasel is a superb putdown, but hats off to the person who came up with Farage Against The Machine.
    Let's hope they sue.

    As for Farage, classic populist nonsense about the elite from whom only he can save us all. Despite the 20 years he's been dinning out at our expense in Brussels.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,076

    Leopards don't change their spots...

    Tatler Tory Mark Clarke quits his job in the City after claims he sexually harassed a female colleague

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5484435/Tatler-Tory-Mark-Clarke-quits-job-sexual-harassment-claims.html

    I do believe that none of the Tatler Tories are MPs at present.

    Not quite what they expected:

    ' The group includes several prospective parliamentary candidates and Tatler has marked all out as future members of a Conservative Cabinet.

    Mark Clarke, 31, a former chairman of Conservative Future, summed up their ethos when he said: "David Cameron has made it cool to be a Conservative."

    According to Tatler: "The new generation of Conservatives defy any stereotype. They are feisty and impressive examples of how David Cameron's Notting Hill Toryism reaches further than leafy W11.

    "Their pin-ups are Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Churchill and Clinton. They refer to 'before DC' as the era when voting Tory was embarrassing. They've come of age at the party's most optimistic time for 20 years." '

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/2711375/Society-magazine-Tatler-unveils-line-up-of-top-Tory-totty.html
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,205

    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    You can’t campaign against immigration then follow through with a solution that does nothing about immigration. The so-called moderate Leavers never grasped that. They still don’t.

    I think most have which is why the EEA option was taken off the table fairly quickly.

    Immigration is a UK problem, other EU countries get by just fine because their welfare and benefits systems are fit for purpose and don't start paying hundreds of pounds per week in welfare and tax credits to immigrants who have just arrived in the country for working 16h per week or selling the big issue as a self employed person.

    I've said it time and again, tax credits and housing benefits are the reason the UK voted to leave. They are the driver of mass immigration of the unskilled to the UK. There are specialists in Romania who help people go to the UK with all of their paperwork in order to ensure they can claim the maximum amount of welfare after the 90 day limit. They don't do it for any other country because the welfare systems require some kind of minimum contributions to be made.

    Would you be happy to introduce a contributory welfare system?
    Not quite true, Germany has a basic minimum lever of welfare and a higher rate of welfare based on contributions made, France has a similar system.

    Yet crucially Germany introduced transition controls on free movement from the new accession countries in 2004 for 7 years, requiring work permits and using bilateral quotas and France also imposed 5 years of restrictions dependent on sector and region.

    The UK imposed no such transition controls
    snip.
    Certainly tighter transition controls in 2004 combined with less generous in work welfare would have reduced the prospect of a Leave vote agreed
    Up until 2003, the motor racing blip aside, Blair was doing a good job.
    Then he seemed to lose his grip.
    Coincidentally enough, that's when Brown's minions (Balls, Watson, McBride etc) ramped up their campaign against Blair.
    Wasn’t that when Blair was supposed to stand aside and give Brown a go, too? TBH, can’t see Brown ever agreeing to Iraq.
    Not sure we will ever know what was really agreed by Brown and Blair to be honest. It seems, although far from clear, that Blair gave the impression that he would stand down 1/2 way through a 2nd term. Whether he ever gave such a clear indication is debated (replace 'would' with 'might'). Brown certainly seems to feel that is what he had agreed.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    What are England playing at!!!!
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,836

    Leopards don't change their spots...

    Tatler Tory Mark Clarke quits his job in the City after claims he sexually harassed a female colleague

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5484435/Tatler-Tory-Mark-Clarke-quits-job-sexual-harassment-claims.html

    I do believe that none of the Tatler Tories are MPs at present.

    Not quite what they expected:

    ' The group includes several prospective parliamentary candidates and Tatler has marked all out as future members of a Conservative Cabinet.

    Mark Clarke, 31, a former chairman of Conservative Future, summed up their ethos when he said: "David Cameron has made it cool to be a Conservative."

    According to Tatler: "The new generation of Conservatives defy any stereotype. They are feisty and impressive examples of how David Cameron's Notting Hill Toryism reaches further than leafy W11.

    "Their pin-ups are Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Churchill and Clinton. They refer to 'before DC' as the era when voting Tory was embarrassing. They've come of age at the party's most optimistic time for 20 years." '

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/2711375/Society-magazine-Tatler-unveils-line-up-of-top-Tory-totty.html
    That turned out well.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,836

    FF43 said:

    He exaggerates. The government central FTA prediction is that Brexit has one third of the effect of the Great Depression on GDP. 5% loss of GDP versus 15% of the Great Depression. WTO would be half the effect at 8%


    https://twitter.com/D_Blanchflower/status/971764021547425794

    A man so wrong with pretty much every prediction, he is even testing the saying broken clock is right twice a day...

    If he hadn't been chosen to be on the MPC, I wonder if he would have any standing at all. His academic work up to that point had been shit to put it mildly.
    He'll always have this claim to fame:

    ' Blanchflower v. Blanchflower, 150 N.H. 226, is a landmark decision by the New Hampshire Supreme Court which ruled that sexual relations between two females, one of whom is married, does not constitute adultery because it is not technically sexual intercourse. '

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanchflower_v._Blanchflower
    For that reason, a woman is legally incapable of committing rape.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    FFS, England are worse than the Tory GE campaign!
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,710

    FF43 said:

    He exaggerates. The government central FTA prediction is that Brexit has one third of the effect of the Great Depression on GDP. 5% loss of GDP versus 15% of the Great Depression. WTO would be half the effect at 8%


    https://twitter.com/D_Blanchflower/status/971764021547425794

    A man so wrong with pretty much every prediction, he is even testing the saying broken clock is right twice a day...

    If he hadn't been chosen to be on the MPC, I wonder if he would have any standing at all. His academic work up to that point had been shit to put it mildly.
    Maybe. I don't know anything about him but am more interested in what he says than who he is. The effect of Brexit and the Great Depression on GDP is an interesting comparison to make . People make a lot of questionable assumptions about things staying the same regardless of what they do. Equally the Great Depression may not be quite as bad in quantitative terms as people think of it in the folklore.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Sean_F said:

    FF43 said:

    He exaggerates. The government central FTA prediction is that Brexit has one third of the effect of the Great Depression on GDP. 5% loss of GDP versus 15% of the Great Depression. WTO would be half the effect at 8%


    https://twitter.com/D_Blanchflower/status/971764021547425794

    A man so wrong with pretty much every prediction, he is even testing the saying broken clock is right twice a day...

    If he hadn't been chosen to be on the MPC, I wonder if he would have any standing at all. His academic work up to that point had been shit to put it mildly.
    He'll always have this claim to fame:

    ' Blanchflower v. Blanchflower, 150 N.H. 226, is a landmark decision by the New Hampshire Supreme Court which ruled that sexual relations between two females, one of whom is married, does not constitute adultery because it is not technically sexual intercourse. '

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanchflower_v._Blanchflower
    For that reason, a woman is legally incapable of committing rape.
    And men too if they use an alternative entrance...seems like a completely deranged decision.
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    FFS, England are worse than the Tory GE campaign!

    Nothing can be that bad
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    FFS, England are worse than the Tory GE campaign!

    Nothing can be that bad
    You not watching the game?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,114
    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    He exaggerates. The government central FTA prediction is that Brexit has one third of the effect of the Great Depression on GDP. 5% loss of GDP versus 15% of the Great Depression. WTO would be half the effect at 8%


    https://twitter.com/D_Blanchflower/status/971764021547425794

    A man so wrong with pretty much every prediction, he is even testing the saying broken clock is right twice a day...

    If he hadn't been chosen to be on the MPC, I wonder if he would have any standing at all. His academic work up to that point had been shit to put it mildly.
    Maybe. I don't know anything about him but am more interested in what he says than who he is. The effect of Brexit and the Great Depression on GDP is an interesting comparison to make . People make a lot of questionable assumptions about things staying the same regardless of what they do. Equally the Great Depression may not be quite as bad in quantitative terms as people think of it in the folklore.
    The largest deficit ever recorded in economics is Danny Blanchflower's credibility.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Good evening, everyone.

    F1: my post-testing thoughts on the 2018 season are up here: http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/after-testing-thoughts-for-2018-season.html

    May put up a betting post ahead of the usual three per race weekend, otherwise it's the usual format for this year.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,977

    FFS, England are worse than the Tory GE campaign!

    Nothing can be that bad
    You not watching the game?
    As someone said elsewhere, why kick penalties when tries are needed.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,892

    FFS, England are worse than the Tory GE campaign!

    Nothing can be that bad
    You not watching the game?
    As someone said elsewhere, why kick penalties when tries are needed.
    Yup, no point kicking for goal, we need tries not points. Every penalty needs to be kicked into touch.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,114

    What are England playing at!!!!

    Not winning the 6 Nations, clearly. No indication here they even know they have to score 4 tries to stay in contention...
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,836

    Sean_F said:

    FF43 said:

    He exaggerates. The government central FTA prediction is that Brexit has one third of the effect of the Great Depression on GDP. 5% loss of GDP versus 15% of the Great Depression. WTO would be half the effect at 8%


    https://twitter.com/D_Blanchflower/status/971764021547425794

    A man so wrong with pretty much every prediction, he is even testing the saying broken clock is right twice a day...

    If he hadn't been chosen to be on the MPC, I wonder if he would have any standing at all. His academic work up to that point had been shit to put it mildly.
    He'll always have this claim to fame:

    ' Blanchflower v. Blanchflower, 150 N.H. 226, is a landmark decision by the New Hampshire Supreme Court which ruled that sexual relations between two females, one of whom is married, does not constitute adultery because it is not technically sexual intercourse. '

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanchflower_v._Blanchflower
    For that reason, a woman is legally incapable of committing rape.
    And men too if they use an alternative entrance...seems like a completely deranged decision.
    Legally, I think the NHSC must be correct. If sexual intercourse is necessary for adultery to be have been committed, then they could come to no other decision.
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    MaxPB said:


    ..I'm talking about in work welfare for which no other EU country has such a generous and open system. Our unemployment benefits are too stringent and our in work welfare is far, far too generous.

    Funny, 'cos I might have put you down among the "Top 10 PB posters most likely to be Milton Friedman fans". If the tax credit system isn't precisely a negative income tax, it's not far off it.

    (I don't like how withdrawal creates what are effectively high marginal tax rates on the poor. But a combination of basic income guarantee or similar with open-door emigration to rural Eastern Europe would be an even bigger non-goer...)
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited March 2018
    I am pretty sure a strong gust of wind could knock Jonny May down....
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,076
    Sean_F said:

    Leopards don't change their spots...

    Tatler Tory Mark Clarke quits his job in the City after claims he sexually harassed a female colleague

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5484435/Tatler-Tory-Mark-Clarke-quits-job-sexual-harassment-claims.html

    I do believe that none of the Tatler Tories are MPs at present.

    Not quite what they expected:

    ' The group includes several prospective parliamentary candidates and Tatler has marked all out as future members of a Conservative Cabinet.

    Mark Clarke, 31, a former chairman of Conservative Future, summed up their ethos when he said: "David Cameron has made it cool to be a Conservative."

    According to Tatler: "The new generation of Conservatives defy any stereotype. They are feisty and impressive examples of how David Cameron's Notting Hill Toryism reaches further than leafy W11.

    "Their pin-ups are Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Churchill and Clinton. They refer to 'before DC' as the era when voting Tory was embarrassing. They've come of age at the party's most optimistic time for 20 years." '

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/2711375/Society-magazine-Tatler-unveils-line-up-of-top-Tory-totty.html
    That turned out well.
    It was from the era of Cameroon hubris when we were to 'vote blue go green', George Osborne was promising to 'share the proceeds of growth' and the Conservative leadership thought that middle class metropolitans were going to vote for them.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    This first half has been about as entertaining as a mrs May speech...
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,076

    FFS, England are worse than the Tory GE campaign!

    They've been in steady decline since their wins in Australia.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    FFS, England are worse than the Tory GE campaign!

    They've been in steady decline since their wins in Australia.
    England sans big billy aren’t the same team.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,960
    Ridiculous. I would have a rule that, if you miss three votes in a row - for whatever reason - it automatically triggers a by-election.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    What a fitting end to that crap half of rugby with the fat French lad who rides a tiny scooter to and from training chucks it forward and out of play...
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    These Russian military types are terribly accident prone...

    The brother of Russian spy Sergei Skripal died following an unexplained road accident, it emerged today.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited March 2018

    Sean_F said:

    Leopards don't change their spots...

    Tatler Tory Mark Clarke quits his job in the City after claims he sexually harassed a female colleague

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5484435/Tatler-Tory-Mark-Clarke-quits-job-sexual-harassment-claims.html

    I do believe that none of the Tatler Tories are MPs at present.

    Not quite what they expected:

    ' The group includes several prospective parliamentary candidates and Tatler has marked all out as future members of a Conservative Cabinet.

    Mark Clarke, 31, a former chairman of Conservative Future, summed up their ethos when he said: "David Cameron has made it cool to be a Conservative."

    According to Tatler: "The new generation of Conservatives defy any stereotype. They are feisty and impressive examples of how David Cameron's Notting Hill Toryism reaches further than leafy W11.

    "Their pin-ups are Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Churchill and Clinton. They refer to 'before DC' as the era when voting Tory was embarrassing. They've come of age at the party's most optimistic time for 20 years." '

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/2711375/Society-magazine-Tatler-unveils-line-up-of-top-Tory-totty.html
    That turned out well.
    It was from the era of Cameroon hubris when we were to 'vote blue go green', George Osborne was promising to 'share the proceeds of growth' and the Conservative leadership thought that middle class metropolitans were going to vote for them.
    All three of which happened. And, as you rightly pointed out downthread, the 'march of the makers' seems to have happened as well.
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    FF43 said:

    He exaggerates. The government central FTA prediction is that Brexit has one third of the effect of the Great Depression on GDP. 5% loss of GDP versus 15% of the Great Depression. WTO would be half the effect at 8%


    https://twitter.com/D_Blanchflower/status/971764021547425794

    A man so wrong with pretty much every prediction, he is even testing the saying broken clock is right twice a day...

    If he hadn't been chosen to be on the MPC, I wonder if he would have any standing at all. His academic work up to that point had been shit to put it mildly.
    He'll always have this claim to fame:

    ' Blanchflower v. Blanchflower, 150 N.H. 226, is a landmark decision by the New Hampshire Supreme Court which ruled that sexual relations between two females, one of whom is married, does not constitute adultery because it is not technically sexual intercourse. '

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanchflower_v._Blanchflower
    For that reason, a woman is legally incapable of committing rape.
    And men too if they use an alternative entrance...seems like a completely deranged decision.
    Legally, I think the NHSC must be correct. If sexual intercourse is necessary for adultery to be have been committed, then they could come to no other decision.
    I disagree. Sexual intercourse is not synonymous with penetrative sex. Lesbians can, and do, have sexual intercourse with one another.
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869

    Good evening, everyone.

    F1: my post-testing thoughts on the 2018 season are up here: http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/after-testing-thoughts-for-2018-season.html

    May put up a betting post ahead of the usual three per race weekend, otherwise it's the usual format for this year.

    Good evening, Mr Dancer.

    Happy to be able to return the compliment for once!
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    rcs1000 said:

    Ridiculous. I would have a rule that, if you miss three votes in a row - for whatever reason - it automatically triggers a by-election.

    NI returning officers would be kept busy...
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Miss JGP, you can thank the English rugby team for that. If they'd been playing well, I'd probably be watching the match, but decided to do some proofreading instead.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,892

    These Russian military types are terribly accident prone...

    The brother of Russian spy Sergei Skripal died following an unexplained road accident, it emerged today.

    And his wife died aged 59 a few years ago in the UK, and his son died too, aged 43 in Russia. Very sick and accident prone family, some might say unusually so...
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Sandpit said:

    These Russian military types are terribly accident prone...

    The brother of Russian spy Sergei Skripal died following an unexplained road accident, it emerged today.

    And his wife died aged 59 a few years ago in the UK, and his son died too, aged 43 in Russia. Very sick and accident prone family, some might say unusually so...
    Sounds like they have walked under lots of ladders, smashed many a mirror and pissed off putin...
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,960

    viewcode said:

    If the loud and proud ultra Remain at any costers [had] actually got on with accepting the result and suggested EFTA/EEA from the start, there is every chance it would have gained some traction.

    If memory serves, @RichardTyndall had an article up on this very board advocating EFTA/EEA within seven days (48 hours?) of the result. He is not a Remainer (obvs) but it was suggested at a very early stage. The Government did not need anybody to suggest it and (IIRC) would have had a majority in the House for it. Blaming Remainers for an act that Leavers had within their power and did not need Remain permission to do is not credible.
    Yep. I still think.it is the best position for us to adopt. Better than either EU membership or any of the other likely leave options.

    But as others have mentioned it does mean freedom of movement. A bonus in my opinion but not a view widely shared amongst Leave campaigners.
    Although one would be able to implement all the same (effective) controls Switzerland does:

    - compulsory private health insurance
    - registration requirements
    - no ability to work without proper permitting
    - no availability of benefits
    - no right to stay without a job
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,960

    Elliot said:

    Jonathan said:

    welshowl said:

    Jonathan said:

    TGOHF said:

    Look at these utter crackpots - Mr Palmer must surely be embarrassed by this Ludditery ? Wait until Corbyn sees an amazon warehouse...

    https://twitter.com/sunpolitics/status/972366511229886464?s=21

    Microsoft founder Bill Gates floated the idea of taxing robots, which is probably where Corbyn heard it.
    Indeed, it's not as silly as you think, especially when you consider that humans are taxed for the same job and that warps the market.
    You don’t know how silly I think it is. Very very very is the answer. He’d have banned electric trains because it put the firemen out of a job, or the bloke with a red flag walking in front of cars, the list is endless.

    It’s crackpottery pure and simple.
    Firstly, Corbyn has nothing to do with this, as Charles said it's a motion from a single CLP.
    Secondly, some very clever people are talking about this idea wrt AI.

    It's more interesting that you think.
    We should probably be limiting email use to protect postal workers. And banning JCBs to help hole diggers.
    The proposal is not to ban robots but to tax them. It is quite different. We tax sedan chair carrier robots (cars). We tax electricity, which drives robots.

    But if we do not tax robots, should we subsidise them instead?
    The point surely is that supermarkets that use electronic checkouts are also supermarkets that employ far more people per shopper (or whatever the measure is) than their newer no frills rivals. So how can an additional tax against them possibly be justified? You may as well tax Aldi and Lidl for selling stuff by the pallet rather than employing people to stack shelves.
    +1
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited March 2018
    Another biased ref......I blame brexit!
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    If the loud and proud ultra Remain at any costers [had] actually got on with accepting the result and suggested EFTA/EEA from the start, there is every chance it would have gained some traction.

    If memory serves, @RichardTyndall had an article up on this very board advocating EFTA/EEA within seven days (48 hours?) of the result. He is not a Remainer (obvs) but it was suggested at a very early stage. The Government did not need anybody to suggest it and (IIRC) would have had a majority in the House for it. Blaming Remainers for an act that Leavers had within their power and did not need Remain permission to do is not credible.
    Yep. I still think.it is the best position for us to adopt. Better than either EU membership or any of the other likely leave options.

    But as others have mentioned it does mean freedom of movement. A bonus in my opinion but not a view widely shared amongst Leave campaigners.
    Although one would be able to implement all the same (effective) controls Switzerland does:

    - compulsory private health insurance
    - registration requirements
    - no ability to work without proper permitting
    - no availability of benefits
    - no right to stay without a job
    Under EU rules points one and four would have to be implemented for UK citizens as well. I'd like to meet the politician who proposes these policies!
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,892
    Congratulations Ireland on winning the 6N.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    New Zealand will watching the 6N thinking well we can probably take a vacation until the WC.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Another biased ref......I blame brexit!

    Yes, that was never an England penalty...
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    Yorkshire's Jonny Bairstow has been the sole highlight of a grim sporting day for me.

    Losing to Manchester United and France in the same day.

    A truly dark day.

    I haven't been this upset since Robbie left Take That.

    Mind you I hope West Ham get relegated, and docked 200 points for the next season.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962

    Yorkshire's Jonny Bairstow has been the sole highlight of a grim sporting day for me.

    Losing to Manchester United and France in the same day.

    A truly dark day.

    I haven't been this upset since Robbie left Take That.

    Mind you I hope West Ham get relegated, and docked 200 points for the next season.

    I suppose you have erased the events of the 5th of May 2011 from your memory? :p
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Jesus fucking christ....line out on French line and they fuck it up...
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    Yorkshire's Jonny Bairstow has been the sole highlight of a grim sporting day for me.

    Losing to Manchester United and France in the same day.

    A truly dark day.

    I haven't been this upset since Robbie left Take That.

    Mind you I hope West Ham get relegated, and docked 200 points for the next season.

    Ginger nut was awesome in the field as well as at the crease. Eoin Morgan on the other hand needs to be replaced.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725

    Yorkshire's Jonny Bairstow has been the sole highlight of a grim sporting day for me.

    Losing to Manchester United and France in the same day.

    A truly dark day.

    I haven't been this upset since Robbie left Take That.

    I figured you'd say since Cameron resigned as PM.
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    Yorkshire's Jonny Bairstow has been the sole highlight of a grim sporting day for me.

    Losing to Manchester United and France in the same day.

    A truly dark day.

    I haven't been this upset since Robbie left Take That.

    Mind you I hope West Ham get relegated, and docked 200 points for the next season.

    I thought I was watching the rugby live and the game still has 20 mins to go

    But United felling Liverpool again is very satisfying
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    Yorkshire's Jonny Bairstow has been the sole highlight of a grim sporting day for me.

    Losing to Manchester United and France in the same day.

    A truly dark day.

    I haven't been this upset since Robbie left Take That.

    Mind you I hope West Ham get relegated, and docked 200 points for the next season.

    I thought I was watching the rugby live and the game still has 20 mins to go

    But United felling Liverpool again is very satisfying
    Shame France just scored again
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,393
    edited March 2018
    kle4 said:

    Yorkshire's Jonny Bairstow has been the sole highlight of a grim sporting day for me.

    Losing to Manchester United and France in the same day.

    A truly dark day.

    I haven't been this upset since Robbie left Take That.

    I figured you'd say since Cameron resigned as PM.
    I keep on repressing Dave's resignation.

    I hope it is the British political equivalent of Bobby Ewing in the shower.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989
    edited March 2018

    Leopards don't change their spots...

    Tatler Tory Mark Clarke quits his job in the City after claims he sexually harassed a female colleague

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5484435/Tatler-Tory-Mark-Clarke-quits-job-sexual-harassment-claims.html

    I do believe that none of the Tatler Tories are MPs at present.

    Not quite what they expected:

    ' The group includes several prospective parliamentary candidates and Tatler has marked all out as future members of a Conservative Cabinet.

    Mark Clarke, 31, a former chairman of Conservative Future, summed up their ethos when he said: "David Cameron has made it cool to be a Conservative."

    According to Tatler: "The new generation of Conservatives defy any stereotype. They are feisty and impressive examples of how David Cameron's Notting Hill Toryism reaches further than leafy W11.

    "Their pin-ups are Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Churchill and Clinton. They refer to 'before DC' as the era when voting Tory was embarrassing. They've come of age at the party's most optimistic time for 20 years." '

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/2711375/Society-magazine-Tatler-unveils-line-up-of-top-Tory-totty.html
    Zac Goldsmith is an honorary Tatler Tory surely?

    Even if he did not make that list he was first elected in 2010. 2 of the list did become MPs, Charlotte Leslie won Bristol North West and Nicole Blackwood Oxford West and Abingdon in 2010 but lost their seats in 2017, so literally came and went with Cameron.

    Of course the Tories got 42% in 2017 even higher than Cameron got in 2010 and 2015 so clearly it was not just liberal metropolitan types who were 'embarrassed at voting Tory' in the Blair years the Tories needed to win back, middle England and UKIP voters too needed to be brought back into the fold
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. Eagles, second highlight. The first was my F1 article.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    This is worse than a Radiohead live performance....
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,923
    Worst England performance for quite some time.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725
    rcs1000 said:

    Ridiculous. I would have a rule that, if you miss three votes in a row - for whatever reason - it automatically triggers a by-election.

    There are an awful lot of votes, and while the 'MP-as-elevated-social-worker' style should not be the ideal, there is other work besides votes on legislation, so for missing only three (without an exemption) seems unduly harsh. It's hard to think what a reasonable bare minimum of provable activity might be, at least as an expectation, but it doesn't seem like it should be impossible for MPs to have some kind of minimum standard which still allows for flexibility in the role they have and how they choose to do they job, without sacrificing that ultimately it is up to the voters of a constituency to see what they are content to accept. A majority in 8 seats are content for no votes to be participated in, since they have been told in advance that will be the case.
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    This has to be the worst England performance against France since The Battle of Patay.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725
    What happened to England? The first year with Jones they looked so promising.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989
    edited March 2018
    HYUFD said:

    Leopards don't change their spots...

    Tatler Tory Mark Clarke quits his job in the City after claims he sexually harassed a female colleague

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5484435/Tatler-Tory-Mark-Clarke-quits-job-sexual-harassment-claims.html

    I do believe that none of the Tatler Tories are MPs at present.

    Not quite what they expected:

    ' The group includes several prospective parliamentary candidates and Tatler has marked all out as future members of a Conservative Cabinet.

    Mark Clarke, 31, a former chairman of Conservative Future, summed up their ethos when he said: "David Cameron has made it cool to be a Conservative."

    According to Tatler: "The new generation of Conservatives defy any stereotype. They are feisty and impressive examples of how David Cameron's Notting Hill Toryism reaches further than leafy W11.

    "Their pin-ups are Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Churchill and Clinton. They refer to 'before DC' as the era when voting Tory was embarrassing. They've come of age at the party's most optimistic time for 20 years." '

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/2711375/Society-magazine-Tatler-unveils-line-up-of-top-Tory-totty.html
    Zac Goldsmith is an honorary Tatler Tory surely?

    Even if he did not make that list he was first elected in 2010. 2 of the list did become MPs, Charlotte Leslie won Bristol North West and Nicole Blackwood Oxford West and Abingdon in 2010 but lost their seats in 2017, so literally came and went with Cameron.

    Of course the Tories got 42% in 2017 even higher than Cameron got in 2010 and 2015 so clearly it was not just liberal metropolitan types who were 'embarrassed at voting Tory' in the Blair years the Tories needed to win back, middle England and UKIP voters too needed to be brought back into the fold
    Also Helen Whately from the list lost Kingston and Surbiton in 2010 but is now MP for Faversham and Mid Kent having first been selected for and won the seat in 2015
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    Oh hello.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989
    edited March 2018
    England try!
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    O/T

    "In the conflict theorist worldview, most public problems are caused not by errors or complexity but by malice and oppression. The powerful few keep everyone else down. The solutions to injustice and suffering are simple and obvious: Defeat the powerful. Passion is more important than reason because the oppressed masses have to mobilize to storm the barricades. Debate is counterproductive because it dilutes passion and sows confusion. Discordant ideas are not there to inform; they are there to provide cover for oppression."

    http://www.eastoregonian.com/eo/columnists/20180309/brooks-understanding-student-mobbists
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,960
    Dadge said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ridiculous. I would have a rule that, if you miss three votes in a row - for whatever reason - it automatically triggers a by-election.

    NI returning officers would be kept busy...
    A happy coincidence.
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    rcs1000 said:

    Dadge said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ridiculous. I would have a rule that, if you miss three votes in a row - for whatever reason - it automatically triggers a by-election.

    NI returning officers would be kept busy...
    A happy coincidence.
    It would have triggered by elections in the seats of John Wakeham and Norman Tebbit after the Brighton bombing.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,114
    edited March 2018
    France ony had to find touch.....

    EDIT: But England couldn't capitalise on it. Damn.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989
    Well done France, looks like England need to go back to the drawing board before facing newly crowned 6 nations champions Ireland next week
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Well that was shit....
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @LJ_Skipper: I don't care what people say, I think developing nations like #England should be in the 6 nations. Thoughts @TomMay1? (Cc @BarrieDBrown)
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,114

    Well that was shit....

    Generous.

    Although we did have a chance to win by one - and break French hearts. Not taking that chance was our greatest failure.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    HYUFD said:

    England try!

    But they don't try hard enough!!
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    France ony had to find touch.....

    EDIT: But England couldn't capitalise on it. Damn.

    Just as well.

    I think I would have died from laughing if England had won because of that mis kick.

    Was nearly as funny during the 2003 semi final Frédéric Michalak sliced his kick and the ball went behind him and out of touch.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,393
    edited March 2018
    Scott_P said:

    @LJ_Skipper: I don't care what people say, I think developing nations like #England should be in the 6 nations. Thoughts @TomMay1? (Cc @BarrieDBrown)

    'Kin hell.

    Scotland win one match against England and they get all uppity.

    Pop quiz hot shots, which is the only six nation team to have won the world cup?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    A reminder to sports fans that F1 is back in a fortnight.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    I think I would have died from laughing if England had won because of that mis kick.

    France were just being sporting...

    Here, have a chance to win the game.

    Didn't take it?

    Here, have another one...

    ROFLMAO
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    Normally I'm quite magnanimous in sporting defeat, being an England cricket fan in the 90s there was no other option, but international rugby union brings the worst out in me.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,938

    Scott_P said:

    @LJ_Skipper: I don't care what people say, I think developing nations like #England should be in the 6 nations. Thoughts @TomMay1? (Cc @BarrieDBrown)

    'Kin hell.

    Scotland win one match against England and they get all uppity.

    Pop quiz hot shots, which is the only six nation team to have won the world cup?
    Living on past glory doesn't win you matches.

    I said before the start of the 6 Nations that Scotland would beat England based on their performances in the Autumn Internationals. Scotland looked hungry and inventive. England looked old and staid.

    Both Ireland and Scotland are better teams than England with far more potential at the moment. They deserve to win games. England don't.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989

    Scott_P said:

    @LJ_Skipper: I don't care what people say, I think developing nations like #England should be in the 6 nations. Thoughts @TomMay1? (Cc @BarrieDBrown)

    'Kin hell.

    Scotland win one match against England and they get all uppity.

    Pop quiz hot shots, which is the only six nation team to have won the world cup?
    Living on past glory doesn't win you matches.

    I said before the start of the 6 Nations that Scotland would beat England based on their performances in the Autumn Internationals. Scotland looked hungry and inventive. England looked old and staid.

    Both Ireland and Scotland are better teams than England with far more potential at the moment. They deserve to win games. England don't.
    Yes in rugby it looks like Scotland and Ireland have overtaken England recently.

    In football though it will only England of the British Isles nations has qualified for the World Cup this summer
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,960

    rcs1000 said:

    Dadge said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ridiculous. I would have a rule that, if you miss three votes in a row - for whatever reason - it automatically triggers a by-election.

    NI returning officers would be kept busy...
    A happy coincidence.
    It would have triggered by elections in the seats of John Wakeham and Norman Tebbit after the Brighton bombing.
    And, of course, their constituents could re-elect them.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Dadge said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ridiculous. I would have a rule that, if you miss three votes in a row - for whatever reason - it automatically triggers a by-election.

    NI returning officers would be kept busy...
    A happy coincidence.
    It would have triggered by elections in the seats of John Wakeham and Norman Tebbit after the Brighton bombing.
    And, of course, their constituents could re-elect them.
    Have you costed this proposal?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    tlg86 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Dadge said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ridiculous. I would have a rule that, if you miss three votes in a row - for whatever reason - it automatically triggers a by-election.

    NI returning officers would be kept busy...
    A happy coincidence.
    It would have triggered by elections in the seats of John Wakeham and Norman Tebbit after the Brighton bombing.
    And, of course, their constituents could re-elect them.
    Have you costed this proposal?
    It wouldn't apply to people with medical reasons for not attending.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,960
    tlg86 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Dadge said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ridiculous. I would have a rule that, if you miss three votes in a row - for whatever reason - it automatically triggers a by-election.

    NI returning officers would be kept busy...
    A happy coincidence.
    It would have triggered by elections in the seats of John Wakeham and Norman Tebbit after the Brighton bombing.
    And, of course, their constituents could re-elect them.
    Have you costed this proposal?
    I like it: you charge the cost of the election to the deposed MP.

    After a couple of elections, you'll bankrupt lazy MPs.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,960
    AndyJS said:

    tlg86 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Dadge said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ridiculous. I would have a rule that, if you miss three votes in a row - for whatever reason - it automatically triggers a by-election.

    NI returning officers would be kept busy...
    A happy coincidence.
    It would have triggered by elections in the seats of John Wakeham and Norman Tebbit after the Brighton bombing.
    And, of course, their constituents could re-elect them.
    Have you costed this proposal?
    It wouldn't apply to people with medical reasons for not attending.
    Why not? People shouldn't be disenfranchised by a sick MP.
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