Corbyn’s craven words will draw attention away from the fact that the government has actually done little to attack the Russians where it will actually hurt.
It seems a suitable initial response. What else do you think she should do?
Corbyn’s craven words will draw attention away from the fact that the government has actually done little to attack the Russians where it will actually hurt.
It seems a suitable initial response. What else do you think she should do?
Money, money, money.
May said there will be ammendments to a bill for a UK "Magnitsky act", the NCA are going on the warpath, and we will freeze Russian state assets where appropriate. Today's headline is the diplomats being expelled, but there's more to it than that.
Personally I would like all this to happen today, but I accept that legislation will be needed in some cases, and legal processes need to be followed in others.
Wonder how the media will portray this. On the Monday session, ITV News referred overtly to Corbyn's response and his backbenchers' dismay, (didn't show him saying it, though).
His cultists won't care. Labour tribalists might. There's loyalty to a party brand, and antipathy to the Conservatives, but siding with a foreign state deemed responsible for the use of nerve agent on UK soil and potentially putting many British citizens at risk in Salisbury is quite something else. Hmm.
Looks like RT keeps it’s license for now. Salmond will be relieved.
Its not up to the government - its up to Ofcom & they're looking at it.....the description by the PM that the Russian govt did it is probably enough to get it pulled...
You have to wonder what Corbyn’s response would be if the Irish Republicans resumed their attacks?
Actually you don’t have to wonder do you?
Russia has used a radiological weapon and a chemical weapon, so what next? What would PM Corbyn do if smallpox, anthrax, or a superflu hailing from Biopreparat was used in the UK? He's equivocate.
Looks like RT keeps it’s license for now. Salmond will be relieved.
Its not up to the government - its up to Ofcom & they're looking at it.....the description by the PM that the Russian govt did it is probably enough to get it pulled...
Hopefully Sputnik will also get closed down in London and Edinburgh
Mr. NorthWales, I heard somewhere that during the war, Welshmen were specially employed to converse over the telephone, as the Germans had no idea what they were saying.
I'm getting nervous here. We know that Jezza and Vlad are good muckers. Perhaps Vlad has secretly told Jezza that Russia genuinely wasn't behind it. Jezza has taken this line so that when it comes out that Russia is in the clear he will look like a statesman while Theresa will look like a warmongering nincompoop. Vlad would be that devious. Is there any other explanation?
I am reluctant to suggest this but it does seem like this is TM's Falkland's moment
Sadly there's no way it can be. What would the equivalent of white flags over Stanley look like in this situation? Putin saying "Sorry, yes we did do it" and handing over his agents for trial? Can't see that happening.
I have travelling back from a regular hospital trip and so have not been able to follow live. But it does seem from reports that Corbyn could not have got this more tonally wrong. Today wasn't the time for party politics. It was the day to say ''Oi! You can't do that Mr Putin.'
I'm getting nervous here. We know that Jezza and Vlad are good muckers. Perhaps Vlad has secretly told Jezza that Russia genuinely wasn't behind it. Jezza has taken this line so that when it comes out that Russia is in the clear he will look like a statesman while Theresa will look like a warmongering nincompoop. Vlad would be that devious. Is there any other explanation?
Corbyn’s craven words will draw attention away from the fact that the government has actually done little to attack the Russians where it will actually hurt.
It seems a suitable initial response. What else do you think she should do?
Money, money, money.
May said there will be ammendments to a bill for a UK "Magnitsky act", the NCA are going on the warpath, and we will freeze Russian state assets where appropriate. Today's headline is the diplomats being expelled, but there's more to it than that.
Personally I would like all this to happen today, but I accept that legislation will be needed in some cases, and legal processes need to be followed in others.
The issue is "where appropriate" seems to be a very limited definition as things stand. I hope May is holding actions back to retaliate to Russia's inevitable retaliation.
I'm getting nervous here. We know that Jezza and Vlad are good muckers. Perhaps Vlad has secretly told Jezza that Russia genuinely wasn't behind it. Jezza has taken this line so that when it comes out that Russia is in the clear he will look like a statesman while Theresa will look like a warmongering nincompoop. Vlad would be that devious. Is there any other explanation?
Yes - Corbyn is a closet Putinist
Corbyn desperately hopes Moscow isn't behind it, so he clings to putting HMG to a ludicrous level of proof?
Like someone finding out their much loved entertainer is accused of being a pedophile.
I'm getting nervous here. We know that Jezza and Vlad are good muckers. Perhaps Vlad has secretly told Jezza that Russia genuinely wasn't behind it. Jezza has taken this line so that when it comes out that Russia is in the clear he will look like a statesman while Theresa will look like a warmongering nincompoop. Vlad would be that devious. Is there any other explanation?
Yes - Corbyn is a closet Putinist
Trump and Corbyn, both usefull idiots or bought stooges? You decide
I'm getting nervous here. We know that Jezza and Vlad are good muckers. Perhaps Vlad has secretly told Jezza that Russia genuinely wasn't behind it. Jezza has taken this line so that when it comes out that Russia is in the clear he will look like a statesman while Theresa will look like a warmongering nincompoop. Vlad would be that devious. Is there any other explanation?
Simple. Corbyn can't stand up for Britain. He just can't do it
I am reluctant to suggest this but it does seem like this is TM's Falkland's moment
That’s about the 17th time you’ve called that this year!! :-)
Today’s events have far more significance for Labour than for Mrs May. The measures announced are not going to cause much of a problem for Putin and do nothing to discomfit the oligarchs that surround him. The UK is in a weak position, unfortunately.
I have travelling back from a regular hospital trip and so have not been able to follow live. But it does seem from reports that Corbyn could not have got this more tonally wrong. Today wasn't the time for party politics. It was the day to say ''Oi! You can't do that Mr Putin.'
Corbyn was worse on Monday, but he was still inadvertently parroting Russian talking points that are designed to muddy the waters.
I'm getting nervous here. We know that Jezza and Vlad are good muckers. Perhaps Vlad has secretly told Jezza that Russia genuinely wasn't behind it. Jezza has taken this line so that when it comes out that Russia is in the clear he will look like a statesman while Theresa will look like a warmongering nincompoop. Vlad would be that devious. Is there any other explanation?
Yes, the obvious one, that Corbyn is wrong on this.
I am reluctant to suggest this but it does seem like this is TM's Falkland's moment
That’s about the 17th time you’ve called that this year!! :-)
Today’s events have far more significance for Labour than for Mrs May. The measures announced are not going to cause much of a problem for Putin and do nothing to discomfit the oligarchs that surround him. The UK is in a weak position, unfortunately.
I think you exaggerate somewhat but it is a big moment for the Country and TM is getting wide cross party support and that should be reflected in the Country
What is standing up for Britain? Our corrupt, venal security establishment and their pet war-obsessed politicians on both sides of the house, who have been caught lying multiple times and stand to benefit from increased tensions with Russia, or those who caution for a measured response based on real evidence, mindful of the negative repercussions potentially unnecessary increased tensions with Russia will have on the rest of us?
What is standing up for Britain? Our corrupt, venal security establishment and their pet war-obsessed politicians on both sides of the house, who have been caught lying multiple times and stand to benefit from increased tensions with Russia, or those who caution for a measured response based on real evidence, mindful of the negative repercussions increased tensions with Russia will have on the rest of us?
How much do you charge per post
I would be willing to sell out for say a quid a time
Trump and Corbyn, both usefull idiots or bought stooges? You decide
Despite everything he has said I don't think Corbyn is a fan of Putin like Trump, Corbyn's views go way back, and his gullibility is driven by his long standing anti-Western views and hatred of the Tories. I'm sure Corbyn thinks he has been talking tough about Putin even as he has given some of the Russian viewpoints an airing.
I'd suggest that you are wrong Mike, yet again, and that Corbyn's measured and grown-up response will go down better with a fair slice of the country than impotent and childish willy-waving in some sub-pound-shop Thatcher-in-1982 fashion.
Trump and Corbyn, both usefull idiots or bought stooges? You decide
Despite everything he has said I don't think Corbyn is a fan of Putin like Trump, Corbyn's views go way back, and his gullibility is driven by his long standing anti-Western views and hatred of the Tories. I'm sure Corbyn thinks he has been talking tough about Putin even as he has given some of the Russian viewpoints an airing.
They come from different places I agree, but their positions end up remarkably similar
I'd suggest that you are wrong Mike, yet again, and that Corbyn's measured and grown-up response will go down better with a fair slice of the country than impotent and childish willy-waving in some sub-pound-shop Thatcher-in-1982 fashion.
The Daily Mail comments section being a total mess isn’t really news.
I do wonder how much this story is capturing public attention. Was shocked that my own family members didn’t seem to giving it much thought. Either way, we’ll find out in the coming weeks/months.
What is standing up for Britain? Our corrupt, venal security establishment and their pet war-obsessed politicians on both sides of the house, who have been caught lying multiple times and stand to benefit from increased tensions with Russia, or those who caution for a measured response based on real evidence, mindful of the negative repercussions increased tensions with Russia will have on the rest of us?
How much do you charge per post
I would be willing to sell out for say a quid a time
In reality a post like that wouldn't even get 10c with verification on a long established account. It's dirt cheap to abuse social media.
Trump and Corbyn, both usefull idiots or bought stooges? You decide
Despite everything he has said I don't think Corbyn is a fan of Putin like Trump, Corbyn's views go way back, and his gullibility is driven by his long standing anti-Western views and hatred of the Tories. I'm sure Corbyn thinks he has been talking tough about Putin even as he has given some of the Russian viewpoints an airing.
Just like anti-semites, Corbyn surrounds himself with Putin-supporters.... He may not be a Putin supporter himself, but.......
The Daily Mail comments section being a total mess isn’t really news.
I do wonder how much this story is capturing public attention. Was shocked that my own family members didn’t seem to giving it much thought. Either way, we’ll find out in the coming weeks/months.
Outside the massively discredited and moribund Westminster bubble (proven wrong on almost everything over the last few years) and its irrelevant hangers-on who frequent this place, I imagine most people barely give a tinkers cuss. Got more important things to worry about, like why all public services seem to be crumbling into total destruction.
I am reluctant to suggest this but it does seem like this is TM's Falkland's moment
That’s about the 17th time you’ve called that this year!! :-)
Today’s events have far more significance for Labour than for Mrs May. The measures announced are not going to cause much of a problem for Putin and do nothing to discomfit the oligarchs that surround him. The UK is in a weak position, unfortunately.
Poor Big G is desperate for us all to look lovingly at our dear leader through his coloured glasses...
Granted she is playing the politics of all this quite well, but seriously that is all she is doing. We need to go much further of course, but May's natural caution will stop it. There is no way we should be participating in the World Cup in a country sponsoring terrorism, murder led by criminals and thieves.
But at the end of the day, her campaigning skills are utterly atrocious..Russia or no Russia.. and based purely on that she will not lead the Tories into another election...
The Daily Mail comments section being a total mess isn’t really news.
I do wonder how much this story is capturing public attention. Was shocked that my own family members didn’t seem to giving it much thought. Either way, we’ll find out in the coming weeks/months.
I think it isn't all that understandable to a lot of people. People have asked "is it contagious", and there's an element of "he deserved it". It's the recklessness of the Russian actions that is of greatest concern. If say the courier (there very likely was one) damaged the container for the substance on something like a plane or a train you could be talking about dozens of deaths.
The Daily Mail comments section being a total mess isn’t really news.
I do wonder how much this story is capturing public attention. Was shocked that my own family members didn’t seem to giving it much thought. Either way, we’ll find out in the coming weeks/months.
Outside the massively discredited and moribund Westminster bubble (proven wrong on almost everything over the last few years) and its irrelevant hangers-on who frequent this place, I imagine most people barely give a tinkers cuss. Got more important things to worry about, like why all public services seem to be crumbling into total destruction.
@TheWhiteRabbit I didn’t know there were jeers....wow. I wonder who isn’t speaking up then.
@Big_G_NorthWales I have my doubts that the likes of Cat Smith and Laura Pidcock aren’t supporting the Corbyn line on this, unfortunately.
Yes but they are not publicly backing him
Give it time, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them do so at some point or another. Would be extraordinary for Corbyn if they weren’t backing his line though.
Trump and Corbyn, both usefull idiots or bought stooges? You decide
Despite everything he has said I don't think Corbyn is a fan of Putin like Trump, Corbyn's views go way back, and his gullibility is driven by his long standing anti-Western views and hatred of the Tories. I'm sure Corbyn thinks he has been talking tough about Putin even as he has given some of the Russian viewpoints an airing.
They come from different places I agree, but their positions end up remarkably similar
They come from quite similar places, they are were both supporters of the Soviet Union. Somewhat different career paths, though!
I am reluctant to suggest this but it does seem like this is TM's Falkland's moment
That’s about the 17th time you’ve called that this year!! :-)
Today’s events have far more significance for Labour than for Mrs May. The measures announced are not going to cause much of a problem for Putin and do nothing to discomfit the oligarchs that surround him. The UK is in a weak position, unfortunately.
Poor Big G is desperate for us all to look lovingly at our dear leader through his coloured glasses...
Granted she is playing the politics of all this quite well, but seriously that is all she is doing. We need to go much further of course, but May's natural caution will stop it. There is no way we should be participating in the World Cup in a country sponsoring terrorism, murder led by criminals and thieves.
But at the end of the day, her campaigning skills are utterly atrocious..Russia or no Russia.. and based purely on that she will not lead the Tories into another election...
Hi Tyson - I am not desperate for you to look lovingly at TM, just to accept she is playing this well and trouncing Corbyn
I'd suggest that you are wrong Mike, yet again, and that Corbyn's measured and grown-up response will go down better with a fair slice of the country than impotent and childish willy-waving in some sub-pound-shop Thatcher-in-1982 fashion.
It's really getting very good. The Russians have clearly been programming their bots very well. I'd almost think this was a real person typing this.
I'm not sure that kicking out a few flunkeys or refusing to send a few flunkeys to Britain is really going to affect the price of herrings.
As for Jeremy Corbyn, why is anyone surprised at his response?
Corbyn put the blame on last years terrible bombings on our foreign policy, much to the disgust of the commentariat and our bleating pbers....he did that during a GE election campaign too...and look where that got him?
I am reluctant to suggest this but it does seem like this is TM's Falkland's moment
That’s about the 17th time you’ve called that this year!! :-)
Today’s events have far more significance for Labour than for Mrs May. The measures announced are not going to cause much of a problem for Putin and do nothing to discomfit the oligarchs that surround him. The UK is in a weak position, unfortunately.
Poor Big G is desperate for us all to look lovingly at our dear leader through his coloured glasses...
Granted she is playing the politics of all this quite well, but seriously that is all she is doing. We need to go much further of course, but May's natural caution will stop it. There is no way we should be participating in the World Cup in a country sponsoring terrorism, murder led by criminals and thieves.
But at the end of the day, her campaigning skills are utterly atrocious..Russia or no Russia.. and based purely on that she will not lead the Tories into another election...
Hi Tyson - I am not desperate for you to look lovingly at TM, just to accept she is playing this well and trouncing Corbyn
She is not trouncing Corbyn, he is trouncing himself to the embarrassment of the majority of his party's MPs.
I'm not sure that kicking out a few flunkeys or refusing to send a few flunkeys to Britain is really going to affect the price of herrings.
As for Jeremy Corbyn, why is anyone surprised at his response?
Corbyn put the blame on last years terrible bombings on our foreign policy, much to the disgust of the commentariat and our bleating pbers....he did that during a GE election campaign too...and look where that got him?
As for Jeremy Corbyn, why is anyone surprised at his response?
Quite. He has form on matters like this.
I recall he was unsupportive of a former Prime Minister who assured the nation that it was right to declare war on Iraq because it was HIGHLY LIKELY that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. Not at all surprised he is raising questions about evidence.
I'd suggest that you are wrong Mike, yet again, and that Corbyn's measured and grown-up response will go down better with a fair slice of the country than impotent and childish willy-waving in some sub-pound-shop Thatcher-in-1982 fashion.
It's really getting very good. The Russian's have clearly been programming their bots very well. I'd almost think this was a real person typing this.
Until you actually read what they say. Then you just have to bust out laughing.....
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A B C D E F G H I JK again and consider whether they should form their own party.Actually you don’t have to wonder do you?
Personally I would like all this to happen today, but I accept that legislation will be needed in some cases, and legal processes need to be followed in others.
His cultists won't care. Labour tribalists might. There's loyalty to a party brand, and antipathy to the Conservatives, but siding with a foreign state deemed responsible for the use of nerve agent on UK soil and potentially putting many British citizens at risk in Salisbury is quite something else. Hmm.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-43403178
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/973910362163765248
The army would end up having to take an Oath of Loyalty to the Socialist values of the People rather than the monarch
https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/973911686951391232
If Corbyn becomes PM, especially without a majority there must be a slim chance of a military coup if he is seen to go too far
EDIT: Even Anna Soubry!!
Like someone finding out their much loved entertainer is accused of being a pedophile.
Today’s events have far more significance for Labour than for Mrs May. The measures announced are not going to cause much of a problem for Putin and do nothing to discomfit the oligarchs that surround him. The UK is in a weak position, unfortunately.
What about the former?
Tbh, all the Labour MPs publicly backing May that have been mentioned on here so far all seem to be Labour moderates.
I would be willing to sell out for say a quid a time
I do wonder how much this story is capturing public attention. Was shocked that my own family members didn’t seem to giving it much thought. Either way, we’ll find out in the coming weeks/months.
Christ Pat McFadden not missing Corbyn.
@Big_G_NorthWales I have my doubts that the likes of Cat Smith and Laura Pidcock aren’t supporting the Corbyn line on this, unfortunately.
Bring your own teabags, water, mug and kettle though.......
As for Jeremy Corbyn, why is anyone surprised at his response?
Poor Big G is desperate for us all to look lovingly at our dear leader through his coloured glasses...
Granted she is playing the politics of all this quite well, but seriously that is all she is doing. We need to go much further of course, but May's natural caution will stop it. There is no way we should be participating in the World Cup in a country sponsoring terrorism, murder led by criminals and thieves.
But at the end of the day, her campaigning skills are utterly atrocious..Russia or no Russia.. and based purely on that she will not lead the Tories into another election...
Nigel Farage
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Mrs May has acted, quite rightly, against Russia. Not that it will make any difference.
I recall he was unsupportive of a former Prime Minister who assured the nation that it was right to declare war on Iraq because it was HIGHLY LIKELY that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. Not at all surprised he is raising questions about evidence.