Doesn’t sound terribly acceptable. All we have done is sign up to a full-vassal transition.
Taxation without representation.
How is that acceptable? Having zero say about what goes on in the UK's own waters?
Rob, don't buy the Europhile spin.
Quotas will be kept the same, or at least very similar, for the transition period. The UK will have to wait for "control". Sure, it will sign that away again, or at least some of it, for UK vessels' access to EU waters.
I suppose the UK's concessions aren't all that bad if that is the case, and are temporary in nature. They even managed to wrangle Gibraltar into the deal!
You must have very low expectations. The U.K. has caved on every front. Every single one.
That's obviously not the case. As with the deal agreed a few months ago.
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
Actually, that's a perfectly fair response by Sturgeon. She is simply pointing out that the promises made to Scottish fishermen by the Leave campaign turned out to be lies. Granted, that should come as little surprise to anyone even vaguely familiar with brexiteer dishonesty, but her point is fair enough as it goes.
UK conceded on EU citizens getting full residence status during the transition, independent fisheries takes effect from 2020, not 30th March 2019, and there's a backstop on NI, as described in the annexes.
EU conceded on trade deals during transition, Gibraltar being part of transition, and a joint committee to oversee the transition arrangement, which in practice means the UK and EU agreeing on disputes or having to both agree to refer to the ECJ for it to rule.
The NI piece looks most significant to me, which I'm yet to full digest.
If we don't come up with a solution to the Irish Border question then Northern Ireland effectively remains part of the EU.
It’s very strong language.
"The territory of Northern Ireland, excluding the territorial waters of the United Kingdom (the "territory of Northern Ireland"), shall be considered to be part of the customs territory of the Union."
Thankfully, no British PM is going to sign that off. Oh, hold on...
The NI piece looks most significant to me, which I'm yet to full digest.
It means you can have Brexit or the union but not both.
No as May also made clear in December the UK as a whole would have sufficient regulatory alignment as a backstop if the Irish issue was still to be resolved post transition but we would still have Brexited
To summarise: we are in the EU for all intents and purposes (barring actually having a vote or a say) until 2021, and we could remain so for very much longer. That a committed neobrexiteer like yourself is happy with such a settlement at least bodes well for a soft brexit.
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
If they get it in the end, I can’t see it being a huge issue.
What do you call 'the end'? 2021, 2022, 2040, 2059? Perhaps the best strategy for everyone involved is to run the transition until 2099, so business can fully prepare. We will leave the EU, but not yet.
The NI piece looks most significant to me, which I'm yet to full digest.
It means you can have Brexit or the union but not both.
No as May also made clear in December the UK as a whole would have sufficient regulatory alignment as a backstop if the Irish issue was still to be resolved post transition but we would still have Brexited
To summarise: we are in the EU for all intents and purposes (barring actually having a vote or a say) until 2021, and we could remain so for very much longer. That a committed neobrexiteer like yourself is happy with such a settlement at least bodes well for a soft brexit.
In until 2021 out by a 2022 general election to avoid a UKIP revival is fine by me
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
If they get it in the end, I can’t see it being a huge issue.
What do you call 'the end'? 2021, 2022, 2040, 2059? Perhaps the best strategy for everyone involved is to run the transition until 2099, so business can fully prepare. We will leave the EU, but not yet.
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
If they get it in the end, I can’t see it being a huge issue.
What do you call 'the end'? 2021, 2022, 2040, 2059? Perhaps the best strategy for everyone involved is to run the transition until 2099, so business can fully prepare. We will leave the EU, but not yet.
December 2020, as agreed by both the UK and EU.
Leaves a lot of time for things to change. Nearly three years away...
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
If they get it in the end, I can’t see it being a huge issue.
What do you call 'the end'? 2021, 2022, 2040, 2059? Perhaps the best strategy for everyone involved is to run the transition until 2099, so business can fully prepare. We will leave the EU, but not yet.
December 2020, as agreed by both the UK and EU.
Leaves a lot of time for things to change. Nearly three years away...
Yeah, plenty of time to finalise the future trading relationship with the EU.
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
So, is the SNP policy is that there shouldn't have been a 21-month transition deal at all, or that we should remain in the EU for ever? They're kinda opposites, are they not?
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
So, is the SNP policy is that there shouldn't have been a 21-month transition deal at all, or that we should remain in the EU for ever? They're kinda opposites, are they not?
Yes, the SNP position is to remain in. It's not exactly a secret.
"Over the long term, today's agreement makes clear that, from 2020, the UK will be an independent coastal state, deciding who can access our waters and on what terms".
Today's agreement says nothing at all about after 2020. Until 2020 the UK will do what the EU tells it, with a possibility of making a comment about it. There will no doubt be a haggle for the post 2020 period, most likely leading to a situation that is a bit worse than membership.
In general, I would say the EU has the orderly exit it wants and on its terms. It has fudged Ireland a bit. The UK gets the status quo extension it needs. A Win/Win, beyond Brexit being a stupid and damaging thing to do.
Today is the day we realise that Brexiters don’t want more democracy, they want less.
So we can add that to the bonfire of Brexit promises.
What a silly load of nonsense.
What else do you call taxation without representation?
Oh don't be silly. The deal will (or won't) be signed off by parliament, which is your representation. In terms of an executive action, it's no different a spending commitment than signing a PFI deal or contracting HS2.
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
So, is the SNP policy is that there shouldn't have been a 21-month transition deal at all, or that we should remain in the EU for ever? They're kinda opposites, are they not?
Yes, the SNP position is to remain in. It's not exactly a secret.
So she wants to sell out the Scottish fishing industry permanently, and is criticising the Tories for selling them out for a 21-month period. I'm glad we've got that clear.
Today is the day we realise that Brexiters don’t want more democracy, they want less.
So we can add that to the bonfire of Brexit promises.
What a silly load of nonsense.
What else do you call taxation without representation?
Oh don't be silly. The deal will (or won't) be signed off by parliament, which is your representation. In terms of an executive action, it's no different a spending commitment than signing a PFI deal or contracting HS2.
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
So, is the SNP policy is that there shouldn't have been a 21-month transition deal at all, or that we should remain in the EU for ever? They're kinda opposites, are they not?
Yes, the SNP position is to remain in. It's not exactly a secret.
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.
Today is the day we realise that Brexiters don’t want more democracy, they want less.
So we can add that to the bonfire of Brexit promises.
What a silly load of nonsense.
What else do you call taxation without representation?
Oh don't be silly. The deal will (or won't) be signed off by parliament, which is your representation. In terms of an executive action, it's no different a spending commitment than signing a PFI deal or contracting HS2.
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.
Today is the day we realise that Brexiters don’t want more democracy, they want less.
So we can add that to the bonfire of Brexit promises.
What a silly load of nonsense.
What else do you call taxation without representation?
Oh don't be silly. The deal will (or won't) be signed off by parliament, which is your representation. In terms of an executive action, it's no different a spending commitment than signing a PFI deal or contracting HS2.
Or signing up to Maastricht.
It was odd to see a road sign for Maastricht a couple of years back - never associated it with being a real place, simply the name of the well known European deal.
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
If they get it in the end, I can’t see it being a huge issue.
What do you call 'the end'? 2021, 2022, 2040, 2059? Perhaps the best strategy for everyone involved is to run the transition until 2099, so business can fully prepare. We will leave the EU, but not yet.
December 2020, as agreed by both the UK and EU.
I suggest no-one believes the "transition" will be complete by 2020, who knows what they are talking about.
Today is the day we realise that Brexiters don’t want more democracy, they want less.
So we can add that to the bonfire of Brexit promises.
What a silly load of nonsense.
What else do you call taxation without representation?
Oh don't be silly. The deal will (or won't) be signed off by parliament, which is your representation. In terms of an executive action, it's no different a spending commitment than signing a PFI deal or contracting HS2.
Or signing up to Maastricht.
It was odd to see a road sign for Maastricht a couple of years back - never associated it with being a real place, simply the name of the well known European deal.
Perhaps we could do the same in reverse and name a new town Brexit?
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
If they get it in the end, I can’t see it being a huge issue.
What do you call 'the end'? 2021, 2022, 2040, 2059? Perhaps the best strategy for everyone involved is to run the transition until 2099, so business can fully prepare. We will leave the EU, but not yet.
December 2020, as agreed by both the UK and EU.
I suggest no-one believes the "transition" will be complete by 2020, who knows what they are talking about.
No doubt some areas will take longer to unwind than others.
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.
Weird that the first peep of "Not hard enough Brexit" is not from Arlene or Jacob - but from Remainer Ruth !
I was going to say, not very astute of Ruth Davidson to go all-in on an independent fisheries policy that has looked doubtful for a year or more. But as the ScotsCon leader she doesn't have to implement any of this stuff, so she can do the Good Cop bit on Brexit.
Fair play to all involved in the 'deal' today. Love the green highlight.
But what's caught my interest is 2 Tory MPs - George Freeman on the soft side and John Lamont on the hard side, both threatening to vote against the final deal in parliament. I think this is new. Sounds like there's no way of placating both. Assuming the final deal is a mushy compromise that no-one is enthusiastic about, and that it'll be hard to see why any non Tory-DUP MPs would vote for it, could the Government come up with an ultra-mediocre deal that they can't pass the Commons?
I am confused, is the criticism of the government by the continuity Remainers that it has been too inflexible, or not inflexible enough?
Many of those are open to interpretation. Not paying EU subs is a bit different from paying our pensions liabilities etc. 6 is just wrong, and promise number 7 is weird “there should be a two year transition that is not time limited”? Can’t win on that one.
Fair play to all involved in the 'deal' today. Love the green highlight.
But what's caught my interest is 2 Tory MPs - George Freeman on the soft side and John Lamont on the hard side, both threatening to vote against the final deal in parliament. I think this is new. Sounds like there's no way of placating both. Assuming the final deal is a mushy compromise that no-one is enthusiastic about, and that it'll be hard to see why any non Tory-DUP MPs would vote for it, could the Government come up with an ultra-mediocre deal that they can't pass the Commons?
That being the case, it's pretty obvious that the only way forwards will be a second referendum.
Moving away from the substance of the transition deal, I suggest generally this is good for May.
She is seen to be “getting on with the job”, and I’m convinced that the great majority of people do not give toss about Brexit except that it must be carried out.
Any detail - including full FOM! - could be sold as Brexit without too much trouble. And now I’m beginning to think the Brexit-loons in the ERG will go along with it too, having come this far.
We are headed for a hard Brexit - which is to say, out of the single market and customs union, via a bespoke FTA that forces us to mirror the single market and customs union wholesale for the theoretical power to diverge in the future.
I am confused, is the criticism of the government by the continuity Remainers that it has been too inflexible, or not inflexible enough?
The government is trying to implement a policy against the national interest, and therefore cannot win whatever it does. I'm sorry if this pains you.
It doesn't pain me, I think that they are making a sensible job of implementing a (mistaken) decision by the British people. It just amuses me to see the logical contortions of the government's critics on the Remain side, who seem to get more and more shrill when Mrs May and DD show some flexibility as they've suggested, rather than going the full Rees-Mogg.
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.
You did see the press release from last week right?
Does Nicola want the EU to have the fish, or not?
Look, a squirrel.
A 'yes' or 'no' will do......then the plan to get Scotland's deficit to 2% should be a giggle....
I'll type slowly for you. The SNP want to stay in. With all that that entails. This is not complicated.
What is complicated is harvesting the votes of Scotland's fishing communities on the promise of an action that has now categorically not been delivered.
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.
I am confused, is the criticism of the government by the continuity Remainers that it has been too inflexible, or not inflexible enough?
The government is trying to implement a policy against the national interest, and therefore cannot win whatever it does. I'm sorry if this pains you.
It doesn't pain me, I think that they are making a sensible job of implementing a (mistaken) decision by the British people. It just amuses me to see the logical contortions of the government's critics on the Remain side, who seem to get more and more shrill when Mrs May and DD show some flexibility as they've suggested, rather than going the full Rees-Mogg.
The frustration of those who told us with such certainty that there would be no deal, that we were heading for a diamond hard Brexit on WTO terms, that May could not deliver her party for anything else and that the loons were in charge of the asylum dooming us all to whatever calamity was getting their attention at that particular moment is palpable.
Is it too early to hope that the Tories have rediscovered their pragmatism? I hope not.
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.
I am confused, is the criticism of the government by the continuity Remainers that it has been too inflexible, or not inflexible enough?
The government is trying to implement a policy against the national interest, and therefore cannot win whatever it does. I'm sorry if this pains you.
It doesn't pain me, I think that they are making a sensible job of implementing a (mistaken) decision by the British people. It just amuses me to see the logical contortions of the government's critics on the Remain side, who seem to get more and more shrill when Mrs May and DD show some flexibility as they've suggested, rather than going the full Rees-Mogg.
The frustration of those who told us with such certainty that there would be no deal, that we were heading for a diamond hard Brexit on WTO terms, that May could not deliver her party for anything else and that the loons were in charge of the asylum dooming us all to whatever calamity was getting their attention at that particular moment is palpable.
Is it too early to hope that the Tories have rediscovered their pragmatism? I hope not.
The odd thing is that you'd expect the criticism to be coming from the ultra-Brexiteers, but they mostly seem to be taking the sensible line on this. It's a funny old world, to be sure.
I am confused, is the criticism of the government by the continuity Remainers that it has been too inflexible, or not inflexible enough?
Very below par for you Nabavi.
Marks for posting the tweet, though. Explains eloquently the ongoing reverse-ferret since the election.
It's strange.
There are three or four actual broken promises, puffed out with some rubbish.
I do like the assertion that May's statement that "“As of today, these considerations point to an implementation period of around two years.” has been broken by an implementation period of around two years.
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.
I am confused, is the criticism of the government by the continuity Remainers that it has been too inflexible, or not inflexible enough?
Very below par for you Nabavi.
Marks for posting the tweet, though. Explains eloquently the ongoing reverse-ferret since the election.
It's strange.
There are three or four actual broken promises, puffed out with some rubbish.
I do like the assertion that May's statement that "“As of today, these considerations point to an implementation period of around two years.” has been broken by an implementation period of around two years.
The government’s position was to avoid committing to a specific timeline for transition, hence “about” 2 years.
We’ve now agreed an end date for transition.
To be fair, not the biggest sin in the book, though of course it commits to another cliff-edge and therefore increases EU leverage - unless we can agree a way of smoothing that - which we will, by signing a full fettle Brexit.
I am confused, is the criticism of the government by the continuity Remainers that it has been too inflexible, or not inflexible enough?
The government is trying to implement a policy against the national interest, and therefore cannot win whatever it does. I'm sorry if this pains you.
It doesn't pain me, I think that they are making a sensible job of implementing a (mistaken) decision by the British people. It just amuses me to see the logical contortions of the government's critics on the Remain side, who seem to get more and more shrill when Mrs May and DD show some flexibility as they've suggested, rather than going the full Rees-Mogg.
The frustration of those who told us with such certainty that there would be no deal, that we were heading for a diamond hard Brexit on WTO terms, that May could not deliver her party for anything else and that the loons were in charge of the asylum dooming us all to whatever calamity was getting their attention at that particular moment is palpable.
Is it too early to hope that the Tories have rediscovered their pragmatism? I hope not.
The odd thing is that you'd expect the criticism to be coming from the ultra-Brexiteers, but they mostly seem to be taking the sensible line on this. It's a funny old world, to be sure.
I am very surprised and econcouraged how flexible and realistic the Brexiteers have been. But they are just taking the long view. Once we are out we are out and much of this will gradually wind down as the EU centralises and we find business elsewhere more attractive. What is encouraging is that the EU too now seem committed to finding a deal that has the minimum disruption for both parties. Which is exactly what we want.
Easy to capture awkward looking stills from a video. The two seem to get on quite well, from what I have seen.
It's not necessarily even video though, agencies will have literally hundreds if not thousands of pictures to chose from for an event like that. Picking a silly one to make a point is neither clever or witty.
I am confused, is the criticism of the government by the continuity Remainers that it has been too inflexible, or not inflexible enough?
The government is trying to implement a policy against the national interest, and therefore cannot win whatever it does. I'm sorry if this pains you.
It doesn't pain me, I think that they are making a sensible job of implementing a (mistaken) decision by the British people. It just amuses me to see the logical contortions of the government's critics on the Remain side, who seem to get more and more shrill when Mrs May and DD show some flexibility as they've suggested, rather than going the full Rees-Mogg.
The frustration of those who told us with such certainty that there would be no deal, that we were heading for a diamond hard Brexit on WTO terms, that May could not deliver her party for anything else and that the loons were in charge of the asylum dooming us all to whatever calamity was getting their attention at that particular moment is palpable.
Is it too early to hope that the Tories have rediscovered their pragmatism? I hope not.
The odd thing is that you'd expect the criticism to be coming from the ultra-Brexiteers, but they mostly seem to be taking the sensible line on this. It's a funny old world, to be sure.
The ultra-Brexiteers live on shifting sands. They've quietly accepted a situation they were lambasting as vassal statehood only a few weeks ago. Gutless wonders. In a sense I'm not bothered by their capitulation - nay, I even welcome it! - but an apology for the hassle they put the rest of us through for no good reason wouldn't go amiss.
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"The territory of Northern Ireland, excluding the territorial waters of the United Kingdom (the "territory of Northern Ireland"), shall be considered to be part of the customs territory of the Union."
Thankfully, no British PM is going to sign that off. Oh, hold on...
To summarise: we are in the EU for all intents and purposes (barring actually having a vote or a say) until 2021, and we could remain so for very much longer. That a committed neobrexiteer like yourself is happy with such a settlement at least bodes well for a soft brexit.
So we can add that to the bonfire of Brexit promises.
Not optimal but better than staying in.
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Today's agreement says nothing at all about after 2020. Until 2020 the UK will do what the EU tells it, with a possibility of making a comment about it. There will no doubt be a haggle for the post 2020 period, most likely leading to a situation that is a bit worse than membership.
In general, I would say the EU has the orderly exit it wants and on its terms. It has fudged Ireland a bit. The UK gets the status quo extension it needs. A Win/Win, beyond Brexit being a stupid and damaging thing to do.
https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/749205198179033088
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/975720362729144320
Tweet from July 2016.....
Flailing, much?
https://twitter.com/kathsamsonitv/status/975730659338739713
https://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/status/975741636843048961
This is the greatest act of betrayal since Darth Vader threw Emperor Palpatine down the reactor shaft on the second Death Star.
'Michael Gove's father denies his company was destroyed by EU policies'
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/15/michael-gove-father-company-eu-policies-fish-processing-aberdeen
https://twitter.com/petergrantmp/status/975681344712921088?s=21
Indeed, I predicted exactly what we’ve ended up with.
You do like your straw men.
Oh dear.....
https://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/status/975741636843048961
George Osborne is focussing on what motivated the plebs.
I am confused, is the criticism of the government by the continuity Remainers that it has been too inflexible, or not inflexible enough?
https://twitter.com/JoeMurphyLondon/status/975743215151263744
But what's caught my interest is 2 Tory MPs - George Freeman on the soft side and John Lamont on the hard side, both threatening to vote against the final deal in parliament. I think this is new. Sounds like there's no way of placating both. Assuming the final deal is a mushy compromise that no-one is enthusiastic about, and that it'll be hard to see why any non Tory-DUP MPs would vote for it, could the Government come up with an ultra-mediocre deal that they can't pass the Commons?
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/975744245356285952
She is seen to be “getting on with the job”, and I’m convinced that the great majority of people do not give toss about Brexit except that it must be carried out.
Any detail - including full FOM! - could be sold as Brexit without too much trouble. And now I’m beginning to think the Brexit-loons in the ERG will go along with it too, having come this far.
We are headed for a hard Brexit - which is to say, out of the single market and customs union, via a bespoke FTA that forces us to mirror the single market and customs union wholesale for the theoretical power to diverge in the future.
A full fettle Brexit.
What is complicated is harvesting the votes of Scotland's fishing communities on the promise of an action that has now categorically not been delivered.
It's a view.....
EDIT I have a "saver" bet on the Brexit date being 2Q 2019 in case of a few weeks slippage.
Last trade on "Yes" is at 2.02 so though the bet is at 1.67, no trade has been done yet.
Top quality article from 2017.
Marks for posting the tweet, though. Explains eloquently the ongoing reverse-ferret since the election.
Is it too early to hope that the Tories have rediscovered their pragmatism? I hope not.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22818306/the-last-goodbye
There are three or four actual broken promises, puffed out with some rubbish.
I do like the assertion that May's statement that "“As of today, these considerations point to an implementation period of around two years.” has been broken by an implementation period of around two years.
https://twitter.com/kathsamsonitv/status/975730659338739713
We’ve now agreed an end date for transition.
To be fair, not the biggest sin in the book, though of course it commits to another cliff-edge and therefore increases EU leverage - unless we can agree a way of smoothing that - which we will, by signing a full fettle Brexit.
Arlene hasn't piped up yet so far today, the DUP showing admirable restraint perhaps ?
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