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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    England on course for their lowest ever score in 141 years of test cricket if they carry on like this.

    The lowest England score in test cricket was 45 against Australia in 1886.

    We won that match.

    Just saying.
    That would be nice but I have a feeling scores used to be a lot lower in those days.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,993
    And nine down.

    Come on Jimmy. It's in your hands now.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    I thought England were bad against Australia, but....

    Lose this with a record low,Bayliss must go.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,993
    So, who had Overton to top score?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,993
    AndyJS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    England on course for their lowest ever score in 141 years of test cricket if they carry on like this.

    The lowest England score in test cricket was 45 against Australia in 1886.

    We won that match.

    Just saying.
    That would be nice but I have a feeling scores used to be a lot lower in those days.
    Exactly: just think how high our second innings total could be.

    I reckon we're going for the record multiple between first and second innings.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,993
    Just one more run needed to reach our lowest ever test score.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    Overton just smashed a 6 to avoid the lowest ever score thingy
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,993
    We've equaled the lowest ever England test score.

    Time to declare.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,993
    Charles Bannerman's record is at risk.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    5 ducks in an innings is never a good sign
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,993
    Anderson falls.

    58 All Out.

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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Well played Overton. 33 not out.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    That was just embarrassing.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    England on course for their lowest ever score in 141 years of test cricket if they carry on like this.

    The lowest England score in test cricket was 45 against Australia in 1886.

    We won that match.

    Just saying.
    That would be nice but I have a feeling scores used to be a lot lower in those days.
    Exactly: just think how high our second innings total could be.

    I reckon we're going for the record multiple between first and second innings.
    By the way, I'm sorry for interrupting your dad's birthday party last year with the local election results spreadsheet. Can't remember whether I apologised or not.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897
    Wakes up, checks cricket score. NZ 22/1, maybe the start was delayed by rain or something...

    Wakes up a little more and checks again. Oh crap!
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Sandpit said:

    Wakes up, checks cricket score. NZ 22/1, maybe the start was delayed by rain or something...

    Wakes up a little more and checks again. Oh crap!

    Its ok you didn't miss much ;-)
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897

    Sandpit said:

    Wakes up, checks cricket score. NZ 22/1, maybe the start was delayed by rain or something...

    Wakes up a little more and checks again. Oh crap!

    Its ok you didn't miss much ;-)
    That’s a shocking performance, although now I guess I know how the Aussies felt when we did them for 60 a couple of years ago.

    And we only got rescued by Overton at number nine, with more than half the team’s runs - when did a #9 last do that? Ninth wicket down with the score on only 27, could have been a whole lot worse too.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897
    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    England on course for their lowest ever score in 141 years of test cricket if they carry on like this.

    The lowest England score in test cricket was 45 against Australia in 1886.

    We won that match.

    Just saying.
    Glad to see one optimist around!

    Betfair isn’t so optimistic, you can get 20/1 on England winning.
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/cricket/event/28632424/multi-market?marketIds=1.141322856&marketIds=1.141322857
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,993
    Has New Zealand avoided the follow on yet?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,993
    New Zealand lucky to avoid an innings loss.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,674

    Remoaners getting upset that we will still be trading with the Franco-Dutch after Brexit?

    Remainers seem to be getting upset over Leavers NOT getting upset over a number of things...fishing during transition....passports going to the best bid irrespective of nationality.....a lot of projecting going on...
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    @archer101au:

    Tell me, when you're down the pub with your friends, do you continually tell them how how evil the EU are?

    Big implicit assumption there.

    An in CA for s couple of days in April - fancy a drink?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897
    edited March 2018

    Remoaners getting upset that we will still be trading with the Franco-Dutch after Brexit?

    Remainers seem to be getting upset over Leavers NOT getting upset over a number of things...fishing during transition....passports going to the best bid irrespective of nationality.....a lot of projecting going on...
    Very true. With the possible exception of Nigel Farage, there’s only one side that’s angry.

    We shall see what comes out of the negotiations, there was good progress made earlier in the week, especially with regard to both sides acting in good faith - that language should prevent the EU from lining up a vote on a financial transactions tax on 30th March next year, or seeking to impose new rules on the UK domestic market after the transition period.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,993
    Sandpit said:

    Remoaners getting upset that we will still be trading with the Franco-Dutch after Brexit?

    Remainers seem to be getting upset over Leavers NOT getting upset over a number of things...fishing during transition....passports going to the best bid irrespective of nationality.....a lot of projecting going on...
    Very true. With the possible exception of Nigel Farage, there’s only one side that’s angry.

    We shall see what comes out of the negotiations, there was good progress made earlier in the week, especially with regard to both sides acting in good faith - that language should prevent the EU from lining up a vote on a financial transactions tax on 30th March next year, or seeking to impose new rules on the UK domestic market after the transition period.
    It's actually terribly simple:

    If William Glenn, TSE, LovinPutin1983 and archer101au hate it, then it's probably good for Britain.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,993
    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @archer101au:

    Tell me, when you're down the pub with your friends, do you continually tell them how how evil the EU are?

    Big implicit assumption there.

    An in CA for s couple of days in April - fancy a drink?
    True that. Have sent you an email.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,282
    edited March 2018

    HYUFD said:

    Anazina said:

    Brexit.

    You have to laugh.

    We will look back in years to come...

    A bunch of eloquent xenophobes convinced a wafer-think majority of the country to vote for it while the mother of all rainstorms was falling on London, and they won – just!

    No-one had the first fucking idea what they wanted from it. The prime minister was clueless, and resigned. Theresa May arrived and hated on Europe, before granting its every wish.

    David Davis began as a testosterone-fuelled eurosceptic, ended as the junior partner in a bromance with Michael Barnier. The French made a crust on making blue passports, while no-one laid a single brick building customs controls.

    Did anyone really think it was worth it?

    We laughed. We cried. Them were the days.

    We ended free movement though after the transition and restored the sovereignty of Parliament
    ...We will end up conceding something that is slightly different from FM but essentially much the same
    Australia is going to concede FM??
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897
    edited March 2018
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Remoaners getting upset that we will still be trading with the Franco-Dutch after Brexit?

    Remainers seem to be getting upset over Leavers NOT getting upset over a number of things...fishing during transition....passports going to the best bid irrespective of nationality.....a lot of projecting going on...
    Very true. With the possible exception of Nigel Farage, there’s only one side that’s angry.

    We shall see what comes out of the negotiations, there was good progress made earlier in the week, especially with regard to both sides acting in good faith - that language should prevent the EU from lining up a vote on a financial transactions tax on 30th March next year, or seeking to impose new rules on the UK domestic market after the transition period.
    It's actually terribly simple:

    If William Glenn, TSE, LovinPutin1983 and archer101au hate it, then it's probably good for Britain.
    Indeed. It’s clear that in the last couple of months the rhetoric of punishment from the EU side - every word of it eargerly lapped up by certain sections of the British media - has calmed down a lot.

    Some of the adults in the EU and the member states probably started to realise that such language made no deal much more likely, and that a good post-Brexit relationship with the UK was more important than either punishing us for leaving or trying to get us to change our minds.

    I’ve cerainly changed my own mind, from thinking we should walk away a few months ago during the media onslaught of negativity, to being happy with what’s actually coming out of the negotiations. Fingers crossed that the pragmatic attitude of the adults will prevail in the end.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,993
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Remoaners getting upset that we will still be trading with the Franco-Dutch after Brexit?

    Remainers seem to be getting upset over Leavers NOT getting upset over a number of things...fishing during transition....passports going to the best bid irrespective of nationality.....a lot of projecting going on...
    Very true. With the possible exception of Nigel Farage, there’s only one side that’s angry.

    We shall see what comes out of the negotiations, there was good progress made earlier in the week, especially with regard to both sides acting in good faith - that language should prevent the EU from lining up a vote on a financial transactions tax on 30th March next year, or seeking to impose new rules on the UK domestic market after the transition period.
    It's actually terribly simple:

    If William Glenn, TSE, LovinPutin1983 and archer101au hate it, then it's probably good for Britain.
    Indeed. It’s clear that in the last couple of months the rhetoric of punishment from the EU side - every word of it eargerly lapped up by certain sections of the British media - has calmed down a lot.

    Some of the adults in the EU and the member states probably started to realise that such language made no deal much more likely, and that a good post-Brexit relationship with the UK was more important than either punishing us for leaving or trying to get us to change our minds.

    I’ve cerainly changed my own mind, from thinking we should walk away a few months ago during the media onslaught of negativity, to being happy with what’s actually coming out of the negotiations. Fingers crossed that the pragmatic attitude of the adults will prevail in the end.
    The underlying discussions have always been a lot more productive than Twitter would have you believe. Ultimately, both the EU and the UK want a deal. Most people - on both sides - are focused on that.

    Sadly, the internet is full of people work loud voice, and little accrual knowledge.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,993
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Anazina said:

    Brexit.

    You have to laugh.

    We will look back in years to come...

    A bunch of eloquent xenophobes convinced a wafer-think majority of the country to vote for it while the mother of all rainstorms was falling on London, and they won – just!

    No-one had the first fucking idea what they wanted from it. The prime minister was clueless, and resigned. Theresa May arrived and hated on Europe, before granting its every wish.

    David Davis began as a testosterone-fuelled eurosceptic, ended as the junior partner in a bromance with Michael Barnier. The French made a crust on making blue passports, while no-one laid a single brick building customs controls.

    Did anyone really think it was worth it?

    We laughed. We cried. Them were the days.

    We ended free movement though after the transition and restored the sovereignty of Parliament
    ...We will end up conceding something that is slightly different from FM but essentially much the same
    Australia is going to concede FM??
    Australia and NZ already have FM, of course.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Remoaners getting upset that we will still be trading with the Franco-Dutch after Brexit?

    Remainers seem to be getting upset over Leavers NOT getting upset over a number of things...fishing during transition....passports going to the best bid irrespective of nationality.....a lot of projecting going on...
    Very true. With the possible exception of Nigel Farage, there’s only one side that’s angry.

    We shall see what comes out of the negotiations, there was good progress made earlier in the week, especially with regard to both sides acting in good faith - that language should prevent the EU from lining up a vote on a financial transactions tax on 30th March next year, or seeking to impose new rules on the UK domestic market after the transition period.
    It's actually terribly simple:

    If William Glenn, TSE, LovinPutin1983 and archer101au hate it, then it's probably good for Britain.
    Well we all know when it comes to fashion and music the opposite is true, if TSE loves it, it is definitely bad...
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    I think TSE will award the England test team the Grand and Most Noble Order of the Pineapple Pizza (extra topping).
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,937
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Remoaners getting upset that we will still be trading with the Franco-Dutch after Brexit?

    Remainers seem to be getting upset over Leavers NOT getting upset over a number of things...fishing during transition....passports going to the best bid irrespective of nationality.....a lot of projecting going on...
    Very true. With the possible exception of Nigel Farage, there’s only one side that’s angry.

    We shall see what comes out of the negotiations, there was good progress made earlier in the week, especially with regard to both sides acting in good faith - that language should prevent the EU from lining up a vote on a financial transactions tax on 30th March next year, or seeking to impose new rules on the UK domestic market after the transition period.
    It's actually terribly simple:

    If William Glenn, TSE, LovinPutin1983 and archer101au hate it, then it's probably good for Britain.
    Indeed. It’s clear that in the last couple of months the rhetoric of punishment from the EU side - every word of it eargerly lapped up by certain sections of the British media - has calmed down a lot.

    Some of the adults in the EU and the member states probably started to realise that such language made no deal much more likely, and that a good post-Brexit relationship with the UK was more important than either punishing us for leaving or trying to get us to change our minds.

    I’ve cerainly changed my own mind, from thinking we should walk away a few months ago during the media onslaught of negativity, to being happy with what’s actually coming out of the negotiations. Fingers crossed that the pragmatic attitude of the adults will prevail in the end.

    It’s increasingly clear we will be leaving in name only. There will be some important, symbolic changes to our current relationship, but to all intents and purposes things will stay pretty much as they are - except will have less say in how the rules are made.

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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited March 2018
    Just watched a futuristic BBC programme from 1987 forecasting what life would be like in the year 2000 presented by Robert Powell called Welcome To My World. One of the fictional things they had on the show was the collapse of the "Great Northern Bank".
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited March 2018
    Zuckerberg in over-spin mode,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6DOhioBfyY


    But but but the naughty people told us they had got rid of the data.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    What a terrible decision in the cricket.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897

    Zuckerberg in over-spin mode,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6DOhioBfyY


    But but but the naughty people told us they had got rid of the data.

    More spin than Moeen Ali.

    He cares about his company’s share price a lot more than he cares about protecting user data.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    What a terrible decision in the cricket.

    Never mind a"" decision in the cricket. All out for 58, something is terribly wrong in the England setup.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Remoaners getting upset that we will still be trading with the Franco-Dutch after Brexit?

    Remainers seem to be getting upset over Leavers NOT getting upset over a number of things...fishing during transition....passports going to the best bid irrespective of nationality.....a lot of projecting going on...
    Very true. With the possible exception of Nigel Farage, there’s only one side that’s angry.

    We shall see what comes out of the negotiations, there was good progress made earlier in the week, especially with regard to both sides acting in good faith - that language should prevent the EU from lining up a vote on a financial transactions tax on 30th March next year, or seeking to impose new rules on the UK domestic market after the transition period.
    It's actually terribly simple:

    If William Glenn, TSE, LovinPutin1983 and archer101au hate it, then it's probably good for Britain.
    Indeed. It’s clear that in the last couple of months the rhetoric of punishment from the EU side - every word of it eargerly lapped up by certain sections of the British media - has calmed down a lot.

    Some of the adults in the EU and the member states probably started to realise that such language made no deal much more likely, and that a good post-Brexit relationship with the UK was more important than either punishing us for leaving or trying to get us to change our minds.

    I’ve cerainly changed my own mind, from thinking we should walk away a few months ago during the media onslaught of negativity, to being happy with what’s actually coming out of the negotiations. Fingers crossed that the pragmatic attitude of the adults will prevail in the end.

    It’s increasingly clear we will be leaving in name only. There will be some important, symbolic changes to our current relationship, but to all intents and purposes things will stay pretty much as they are - except will have less say in how the rules are made.
    I think the changes will be significant, but that they will happen slowly over time, rather than as a Big Bang.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Sandpit said:

    Zuckerberg in over-spin mode,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6DOhioBfyY


    But but but the naughty people told us they had got rid of the data.

    More spin than Moeen Ali.

    He cares about his company’s share price a lot more than he cares about protecting user data.
    Ummm. He is a public company CEO...

    (You don’t actually believe that most CEOs *actually* care about the soft stuff they say, I hope?)
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,238

    What a terrible decision in the cricket.

    Never mind a"" decision in the cricket. All out for 58, something is terribly wrong in the England setup.
    I think it is fair to say that there are only three things wrong with this England side.

    They can't bat, they can't bowl and they can't field.

    They are particularly bad at the first.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,002
    ydoethur said:

    What a terrible decision in the cricket.

    Never mind a"" decision in the cricket. All out for 58, something is terribly wrong in the England setup.
    I think it is fair to say that there are only three things wrong with this England side.

    They can't bat, they can't bowl and they can't field.

    They are particularly bad at the first.
    As events off-field have shown, they're a bunch of unprofessional idiots. Or at least, they have too many unprofessional idiots in their ranks.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    Zuckerberg in over-spin mode,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6DOhioBfyY


    But but but the naughty people told us they had got rid of the data.

    More spin than Moeen Ali.

    He cares about his company’s share price a lot more than he cares about protecting user data.
    Ummm. He is a public company CEO...

    (You don’t actually believe that most CEOs *actually* care about the soft stuff they say, I hope?)
    What next you will be telling me Google’s motto of don’t be evil is bollocks...
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,002
    Sandpit said:

    Zuckerberg in over-spin mode,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6DOhioBfyY


    But but but the naughty people told us they had got rid of the data.

    More spin than Moeen Ali.

    He cares about his company’s share price a lot more than he cares about protecting user data.
    As I've said passim, CEOs and top figures in companies get paid a heck of a lot of money. The time they really earn their money isn't when the sailing's good; it's when they hit stormy waters.

    Too many are found lacking at such times. Worse, too many just move onto other companies when they leave. The revolving-door for failure should be shut.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897
    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    Zuckerberg in over-spin mode,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6DOhioBfyY


    But but but the naughty people told us they had got rid of the data.

    More spin than Moeen Ali.

    He cares about his company’s share price a lot more than he cares about protecting user data.
    Ummm. He is a public company CEO...

    (You don’t actually believe that most CEOs *actually* care about the soft stuff they say, I hope?)
    Not at all. I'm very grateful for this story, as it's shown his company up for what they are and how they operate. IMO their shares have a lot more to fall, they could end up in the 90% club if their customers (their real customers, the advertisers and data miners) start to pull out.

    Currently trading at 20-30x earnings, depending on whether you prefer to use net income or EBITDA income. https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/fb/financials
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Sandpit said:

    Very true. With the possible exception of Nigel Farage, there’s only one side that’s angry.

    https://twitter.com/H_Will_Amos/status/976712352421867520

    Oh, wait...
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897
    ydoethur said:

    What a terrible decision in the cricket.

    Never mind a"" decision in the cricket. All out for 58, something is terribly wrong in the England setup.
    I think it is fair to say that there are only three things wrong with this England side.

    They can't bat, they can't bowl and they can't field.

    They are particularly bad at the first.
    LOL :+1:
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,002

    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    Zuckerberg in over-spin mode,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6DOhioBfyY


    But but but the naughty people told us they had got rid of the data.

    More spin than Moeen Ali.

    He cares about his company’s share price a lot more than he cares about protecting user data.
    Ummm. He is a public company CEO...

    (You don’t actually believe that most CEOs *actually* care about the soft stuff they say, I hope?)
    What next you will be telling me Google’s motto of don’t be evil is bollocks...
    One of the interesting things mentioned in the book 'Googled' about the early years of thee company, was that they sat down to devise an ethos. 'Don't be evil' was the result. It also wasn't universally popular at the time.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897
    Scott_P said:

    Sandpit said:

    Very true. With the possible exception of Nigel Farage, there’s only one side that’s angry.

    ttps://twitter.com/H_Will_Amos/status/976712352421867520

    Oh, wait...
    Okay, I'll give you Bill Cash too. The rest are ardent Remainers taking imagined offence on behalf of Leavers.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    Zuckerberg in over-spin mode,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6DOhioBfyY


    But but but the naughty people told us they had got rid of the data.

    More spin than Moeen Ali.

    He cares about his company’s share price a lot more than he cares about protecting user data.
    Ummm. He is a public company CEO...

    (You don’t actually believe that most CEOs *actually* care about the soft stuff they say, I hope?)
    What next you will be telling me Google’s motto of don’t be evil is bollocks...
    “Marketing” is so much nicer a word...
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,306
    What the hell happened to England? Honestly, you have an early night and they just screw up royally.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Sandpit said:

    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    Zuckerberg in over-spin mode,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6DOhioBfyY


    But but but the naughty people told us they had got rid of the data.

    More spin than Moeen Ali.

    He cares about his company’s share price a lot more than he cares about protecting user data.
    Ummm. He is a public company CEO...

    (You don’t actually believe that most CEOs *actually* care about the soft stuff they say, I hope?)
    Not at all. I'm very grateful for this story, as it's shown his company up for what they are and how they operate. IMO their shares have a lot more to fall, they could end up in the 90% club if their customers (their real customers, the advertisers and data miners) start to pull out.

    Currently trading at 20-30x earnings, depending on whether you prefer to use net income or EBITDA income. https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/fb/financials
    I’m more inclined to buy Amazon than Facebook
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,238

    ydoethur said:

    What a terrible decision in the cricket.

    Never mind a"" decision in the cricket. All out for 58, something is terribly wrong in the England setup.
    I think it is fair to say that there are only three things wrong with this England side.

    They can't bat, they can't bowl and they can't field.

    They are particularly bad at the first.
    As events off-field have shown, they're a bunch of unprofessional idiots. Or at least, they have too many unprofessional idiots in their ranks.
    True. If GRaves and Clarke were replaced by people of ability and integrity things might begin to improve.

    Although of course that way England would lose the only two good spinners they possess right now...
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,335

    Sandpit said:


    Indeed. It’s clear that in the last couple of months the rhetoric of punishment from the EU side - every word of it eargerly lapped up by certain sections of the British media - has calmed down a lot.

    Some of the adults in the EU and the member states probably started to realise that such language made no deal much more likely, and that a good post-Brexit relationship with the UK was more important than either punishing us for leaving or trying to get us to change our minds.

    I’ve cerainly changed my own mind, from thinking we should walk away a few months ago during the media onslaught of negativity, to being happy with what’s actually coming out of the negotiations. Fingers crossed that the pragmatic attitude of the adults will prevail in the end.

    It’s increasingly clear we will be leaving in name only. There will be some important, symbolic changes to our current relationship, but to all intents and purposes things will stay pretty much as they are - except will have less say in how the rules are made.

    I've always thought - and said here - that the standard pattern for EU talks is delay followed by crisis followed by a fudged deal, and it's going exactly like that. The initial position next year will as you say be pretty much "as you were". I think, though, that the long-term evolution is less clear. It might turn out like Norway, pretty much an orbiting satellite of the EU with a few exceptions. The logic of that is rejoining eventually, perhaps in 10-20 years.

    Or a future British Government might decide to strike out to become something significantly different. Some Leavers are really impatient for that, others see it as a natural process that will happen when the general environment has stabilised, and some are happy to settle for formal freedom without actually exercising it. I think we'll all be still arguing about the relationship for another decade.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897
    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    Zuckerberg in over-spin mode,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6DOhioBfyY


    But but but the naughty people told us they had got rid of the data.

    More spin than Moeen Ali.

    He cares about his company’s share price a lot more than he cares about protecting user data.
    Ummm. He is a public company CEO...

    (You don’t actually believe that most CEOs *actually* care about the soft stuff they say, I hope?)
    Not at all. I'm very grateful for this story, as it's shown his company up for what they are and how they operate. IMO their shares have a lot more to fall, they could end up in the 90% club if their customers (their real customers, the advertisers and data miners) start to pull out.

    Currently trading at 20-30x earnings, depending on whether you prefer to use net income or EBITDA income. https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/fb/financials
    I’m more inclined to buy Amazon than Facebook
    Absolutely. They've been making huge investments in new areas, and spin-offs like AWS are now a significant revenue generator.

    I'm expecting their venture into retail to end up with an Amazon and WalMart duopoly in the US market a decade or so from now.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,238
    For all he is a magnificent batsman, the fact Kane Williamson has outscored the entire England team without looking in the slightest trouble tells you all you need to know about how bad their batting was.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897
    edited March 2018
    If Matt is on the case then it must be serious...
    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/976512144777908226/photo/1
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    edited March 2018
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,718

    Awb683 said:

    As long as we get them who cares where they are made.

    Precisely

    And if they are cheaper, wouldn't it be great to take a few quid off the cost of the passport - a Brexit Bonus!!
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/5455936/passport-price-increase-2018-cost-renew-apply/
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,990

    Sandpit said:


    Indeed. It’s clear that in the last couple of months the rhetoric of punishment from the EU side - every word of it eargerly lapped up by certain sections of the British media - has calmed down a lot.

    Some of the adults in the EU and the member states probably started to realise that such language made no deal much more likely, and that a good post-Brexit relationship with the UK was more important than either punishing us for leaving or trying to get us to change our minds.

    I’ve cerainly changed my own mind, from thinking we should walk away a few months ago during the media onslaught of negativity, to being happy with what’s actually coming out of the negotiations. Fingers crossed that the pragmatic attitude of the adults will prevail in the end.

    It’s increasingly clear we will be leaving in name only. There will be some important, symbolic changes to our current relationship, but to all intents and purposes things will stay pretty much as they are - except will have less say in how the rules are made.

    I've always thought - and said here - that the standard pattern for EU talks is delay followed by crisis followed by a fudged deal, and it's going exactly like that. The initial position next year will as you say be pretty much "as you were". I think, though, that the long-term evolution is less clear. It might turn out like Norway, pretty much an orbiting satellite of the EU with a few exceptions. The logic of that is rejoining eventually, perhaps in 10-20 years.

    Or a future British Government might decide to strike out to become something significantly different. Some Leavers are really impatient for that, others see it as a natural process that will happen when the general environment has stabilised, and some are happy to settle for formal freedom without actually exercising it. I think we'll all be still arguing about the relationship for another decade.
    Certainly looks like that, although I hope our rejoin will be nearer to 10 years away than 20. I suspect we’ll very soon get tired of being told that the ‘these are the rules’ and want to play a part again in determining them.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,332
    I must confess even I was tickled by this news story.

    But, I’m not going to be crying into my pillow about it.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,306
    ydoethur said:

    For all he is a magnificent batsman, the fact Kane Williamson has outscored the entire England team without looking in the slightest trouble tells you all you need to know about how bad their batting was.

    In fairness he isn't facing Trent Boult or Tim Southee. Once again our mid paced attack seems to lack penetration.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,306
    IIRC the argument that increased probability of detection was a better deterrent than savage punishment for the odd one who is caught was acknowledged to be a pretty compelling argument in 1822 when Sir Robert Peel suggested the idea of a police force.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,332

    Sandpit said:


    Indeed. It’s clear that in the last couple of months the rhetoric of punishment from the EU side - every word of it eargerly lapped up by certain sections of the British media - has calmed down a lot.

    Some of the adults in the EU and the member states probably started to realise that such language made no deal much more likely, and that a good post-Brexit relationship with the UK was more important than either punishing us for leaving or trying to get us to change our minds.

    I’ve cerainly changed my own mind, from thinking we should walk away a few months ago during the media onslaught of negativity, to being happy with what’s actually coming out of the negotiations. Fingers crossed that the pragmatic attitude of the adults will prevail in the end.

    It’s increasingly clear we will be leaving in name only. There will be some important, symbolic changes to our current relationship, but to all intents and purposes things will stay pretty much as they are - except will have less say in how the rules are made.

    I've always thought - and said here - that the standard pattern for EU talks is delay followed by crisis followed by a fudged deal, and it's going exactly like that. The initial position next year will as you say be pretty much "as you were". I think, though, that the long-term evolution is less clear. It might turn out like Norway, pretty much an orbiting satellite of the EU with a few exceptions. The logic of that is rejoining eventually, perhaps in 10-20 years.

    Or a future British Government might decide to strike out to become something significantly different. Some Leavers are really impatient for that, others see it as a natural process that will happen when the general environment has stabilised, and some are happy to settle for formal freedom without actually exercising it. I think we'll all be still arguing about the relationship for another decade.
    Not a bad summary.

    The civil service will undoubtedly be wanting to play the long game as outlined in your first paragraph. Most Brexiters will want to see some quick wins and meaningful divergence over time.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,304
    So did Gateshead vote Leave?
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited March 2018
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Floater said:
    If we had a tough on crime, pro stop and search, '3 strikes and you're out' Tory Mayor like Rudy Giuliani was in NYC something might be done about it!
    But that would be racist....
    Well the US criminal justice system is famously so, with working class black americans getting long sentences for possession while white middle class kids getting rehab.

    Of all the Criminal Justice systems in the democratic world to choose from, the USA is possibly the worst for outcomes and also most expensive. Notably also not very good at deterring crime either.
    Since Giuliani became Mayor the murder rate in NYC has plummeted from 2000 a year in 1990 to 335 a year. London with a similar population of 8 million is now a more dangerous city than NYC with 6 times more burglaries and 3 times more rapes and a murder rate difference which has narrowed dramatically
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/20/london-now-dangerous-new-york-crime-stats-suggest/.

    In the 1970s and 1980s by contrast NYC was undoubtedly the crime capital of the western world.

    Not all rich white kids get off either
    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/prominent-attorney-son-convicted-raping-student-slept-article-1.3795156
    Murder rates dropped all over America, was Giuliani mayor of every city?
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    HHemmeligHHemmelig Posts: 617
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Anazina said:

    Brexit.

    You have to laugh.

    We will look back in years to come...

    A bunch of eloquent xenophobes convinced a wafer-think majority of the country to vote for it while the mother of all rainstorms was falling on London, and they won – just!

    No-one had the first fucking idea what they wanted from it. The prime minister was clueless, and resigned. Theresa May arrived and hated on Europe, before granting its every wish.

    David Davis began as a testosterone-fuelled eurosceptic, ended as the junior partner in a bromance with Michael Barnier. The French made a crust on making blue passports, while no-one laid a single brick building customs controls.

    Did anyone really think it was worth it?

    We laughed. We cried. Them were the days.

    We ended free movement though after the transition and restored the sovereignty of Parliament
    ...We will end up conceding something that is slightly different from FM but essentially much the same
    Australia is going to concede FM??
    LOL. PB's expat Brexiters still lecturing "we" this and "we" that about things that are absolutely none of their business while sitting in their sad bedrooms on the other side of the world. How very Tea With Mussolini. Though I'm actually very happy that the wankers don't live here any more.
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