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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,529

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Will England ever score another goal? Maguire looking good :)

    Linguard of course
    Another former Leicester player, but Maguire started the move :)
    Maguire is on United's radar I believe
    Not going anywhere. Other clubs should have caught on by now, our owner is rich enough to not sell any player that we want to keep. Maguire has a five year contract to Leicester.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,921
    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Charles said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    In truth, something for everyone in the week's local by-election results and little to be gleaned at a national level.

    I've never been at a count where the result has been tied - is there a single method to decide used everywhere ? I've heard the drawing of lots or the toss of a coin being used but I suppose it's up to the discretion of the returning officer.

    It's a horrible way to lose.

    The DJIA has lost in excess of 2,000 points since February 26th when it was 25,709. I make that close to correction territory (10%). The FTSE has lost 870 points since its high in January of 7792.6 so more than 10% given up and the index is where it was in August 2016 so all the "Trump Bump" erased.

    Sterling still a few cents below the pre 23/6/16 level but against the Euro still 14 cents below the pre-Referendum numbers.

    FWIW Caz have just deployed 25% on a cash reserve my foundation had into equities...
    Brave.
    75% still in cash (we went all cash in December)
    In fiat currencies?
    I don’t do bitcoin!
    So, do you prefer Ethereum or are you a Litecoin kind of guy?
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,964
    The fireplace salesman's kicked off.

    https://twitter.com/SunPolitics/status/977293915454918657
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,251
    edited March 2018
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Will England ever score another goal? Maguire looking good :)

    Linguard of course
    Another former Leicester player, but Maguire started the move :)
    Maguire is on United's radar I believe
    Not going anywhere. Other clubs should have caught on by now, our owner is rich enough to not sell any player that we want to keep. Maguire has a five year contract to Leicester.

    United can pay wages for a player they want that few if any could match

    Edit

    Mind you it didnt help with Pogba or Sanchez
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Will England ever score another goal? Maguire looking good :)

    Linguard of course
    Another former Leicester player, but Maguire started the move :)
    Maguire is on United's radar I believe
    Not going anywhere. Other clubs should have caught on by now, our owner is rich enough to not sell any player that we want to keep. Maguire has a five year contract to Leicester.
    Money talks and bigger clubs.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,625
    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Charles said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    In truth, something for everyone in the week's local by-election results and little to be gleaned at a national level.

    I've never been at a count where the result has been tied - is there a single method to decide used everywhere ? I've heard the drawing of lots or the toss of a coin being used but I suppose it's up to the discretion of the returning officer.

    It's a horrible way to lose.

    The DJIA has lost in excess of 2,000 points since February 26th when it was 25,709. I make that close to correction territory (10%). The FTSE has lost 870 points since its high in January of 7792.6 so more than 10% given up and the index is where it was in August 2016 so all the "Trump Bump" erased.

    Sterling still a few cents below the pre 23/6/16 level but against the Euro still 14 cents below the pre-Referendum numbers.

    FWIW Caz have just deployed 25% on a cash reserve my foundation had into equities...
    Brave.
    75% still in cash (we went all cash in December)
    In fiat currencies?
    I don’t do bitcoin!
    So, do you prefer Ethereum or are you a Litecoin kind of guy?
    I skipped past a preroll ad the other day which I swear was advocating some kind of porn themed crytocurrency, whatever the point of that would be. The site was family friendly, so I suppose good on the targeting algorithms for knowing I have viewed pornography and stories on crypto currencies elsewhere I guess.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,529
    glw said:

    Foxy said:

    Considering the media has been asking for a fortnight "is this the start of a new Cold War?" it is perfectly reasonable to say that is not the road that we should travel, and that maintaining dialogue matters while applying sanctions that hurt the Putin oligarchs.

    In recent years Russia has invaded two neighbouring countries (annexing part of one). They are propping up Assad. They supplied the missile and maybe the troops that shot down an airliner. Russia routinely assassinates opponents at home and abroad. Russia seems to be in violation of the CWC. Russia directly interfered in the US Presidential election. Russia has also announced that they intend to develop the maddest range of nuclear weapons yet seen.

    So if you ask "is this the start of a new Cold War?" The answer is almost certainly yes, because whatever we might want Russia seems to have already started it.
    I think some of those are definitely hot wars! You may recall that I have opposed all the things that you mention, we merely argue the means and style.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,625
    He seems very keen to get his name in the papers a lot.
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    He really needs to grow up
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,625
    Scott_P said:
    Could be a bad move - Corbyn could well show up, condemn anti-semitism, and then some of the people who were angry will persuade themselves the pleasant old man is being attacked for no reason.
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,987
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Barnesian said:

    It is very strange how Corbyn makes people who are normally sane and articulate go quite bananas.

    The emotion is so strong that it is clearly not a normal rational evaluation but something quite deep. I suspect it is the fact that he is a clever politician and a strong leader that is leading his party to success that really freaks them out. They desperately thrash around trying to derail him, without success. It must be very frustrating.

    Really? Who is doing this (with link)? My take on him is that he is a profoundly stupid man of a type very common on the Left, all the way from Scargill and Skinner down to the sort of students who like to go "on protests" generically (i.e. without reference to what the protest is a protest against), of interest only because of the mismatch between his abilities and his job. Not sure what you refer to when you say "leading his party to success."
    Off the top of my head, I can think of at least six contributors who are usually sensible, articulate, and well respected who simply go OTT bananas on the subject of Corbyn. I find it very odd and I'm constantly surprised. I'm not going to link to them but I know who they are and you do too I suspect.

    Leading his party to success means getting it into power. It's a combination of clever popular policies (unlike the Tories), mobilising a large group of enthusiastic activists (unlike the Tories), maintaining party discipline including firing people who get out of line (unlike Mrs M), and steadfastly shrugging off personal attacks without retaliation.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    kle4 said:

    He seems very keen to get his name in the papers a lot.
    Or starting a war our young Winston. ;-)
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549
    Foxy said:

    I think some of those are definitely hot wars! You may recall that I have opposed all the things that you mention, we merely argue the means and style.

    There were plenty of hot wars in Cold War 1.0 as well.

    There's even this today.

    Russia 'arming the Afghan Taliban', says US
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-43500299

    If this isn't Cold War 2.0 whatever it is is doing a damn good impression.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,625
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    After the scripted "tell Russia to shut up" remark, my guess is he has gone to some Lynton Crosby type character who has advised him, in effect, to be a twat to secure the IDS wing of the party membership in the next leadership contest. Difficult to disentangle malice from incompetence here, though.
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    steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 1,019
    Barnesian said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Barnesian said:

    It is very strange how Corbyn makes people who are normally sane and articulate go quite bananas.

    The emotion is so strong that it is clearly not a normal rational evaluation but something quite deep. I suspect it is the fact that he is a clever politician and a strong leader that is leading his party to success that really freaks them out. They desperately thrash around trying to derail him, without success. It must be very frustrating.

    Really? Who is doing this (with link)? My take on him is that he is a profoundly stupid man of a type very common on the Left, all the way from Scargill and Skinner down to the sort of students who like to go "on protests" generically (i.e. without reference to what the protest is a protest against), of interest only because of the mismatch between his abilities and his job. Not sure what you refer to when you say "leading his party to success."
    Off the top of my head, I can think of at least six contributors who are usually sensible, articulate, and well respected who simply go OTT bananas on the subject of Corbyn. I find it very odd and I'm constantly surprised. I'm not going to link to them but I know who they are and you do too I suspect.

    Leading his party to success means getting it into power. It's a combination of clever popular policies (unlike the Tories), mobilising a large group of enthusiastic activists (unlike the Tories), maintaining party discipline including firing people who get out of line (unlike Mrs M), and steadfastly shrugging off personal attacks without retaliation.
    If you say so. Don't think he's a very good fortnight personally, and his party is a shambles currently.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,021
    kle4 said:

    He seems very keen to get his name in the papers a lot.
    He seems to be the unofficial minister for tabloid headlines.
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,987
    edited March 2018
    He's not going to last long is he? I can't find any odds on next to leave the Cabinet.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,625

    Barnesian said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Barnesian said:

    It is very strange how Corbyn makes people who are normally sane and articulate go quite bananas.

    The emotion is so strong that it is clearly not a normal rational evaluation but something quite deep. I suspect it is the fact that he is a clever politician and a strong leader that is leading his party to success that really freaks them out. They desperately thrash around trying to derail him, without success. It must be very frustrating.

    Really? Who is doing this (with link)? My take on him is that he is a profoundly stupid man of a type very common on the Left, all the way from Scargill and Skinner down to the sort of students who like to go "on protests" generically (i.e. without reference to what the protest is a protest against), of interest only because of the mismatch between his abilities and his job. Not sure what you refer to when you say "leading his party to success."
    Off the top of my head, I can think of at least six contributors who are usually sensible, articulate, and well respected who simply go OTT bananas on the subject of Corbyn. I find it very odd and I'm constantly surprised. I'm not going to link to them but I know who they are and you do too I suspect.

    Leading his party to success means getting it into power. It's a combination of clever popular policies (unlike the Tories), mobilising a large group of enthusiastic activists (unlike the Tories), maintaining party discipline including firing people who get out of line (unlike Mrs M), and steadfastly shrugging off personal attacks without retaliation.
    his party is a shambles currently.
    Well, in fairness, that's just keeping to the spirit of the times.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Charles said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    In truth, something for everyone in the week's local by-election results and little to be gleaned at a national level.

    I've never been at a count where the result has been tied - is there a single method to decide used everywhere ? I've heard the drawing of lots or the toss of a coin being used but I suppose it's up to the discretion of the returning officer.

    It's a horrible way to lose.

    The DJIA has lost in excess of 2,000 points since February 26th when it was 25,709. I make that close to correction territory (10%). The FTSE has lost 870 points since its high in January of 7792.6 so more than 10% given up and the index is where it was in August 2016 so all the "Trump Bump" erased.

    Sterling still a few cents below the pre 23/6/16 level but against the Euro still 14 cents below the pre-Referendum numbers.

    FWIW Caz have just deployed 25% on a cash reserve my foundation had into equities...
    Brave.
    75% still in cash (we went all cash in December)
    In fiat currencies?
    I don’t do bitcoin!
    So, do you prefer Ethereum or are you a Litecoin kind of guy?
    Strictly real estate, paintings and wine.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,021
    edited March 2018
    glw said:

    If this isn't Cold War 2.0 whatever it is is doing a damn good impression.

    This is a good piece on the need to address the ideological element of Putin's hybrid war.

    http://observer.com/2018/03/russia-putin-ideology-rules-cold-war-2-0-like-soviet-communism/

    At the dawn of the last Cold War, the West, led by the United States, made serious political outreach to social democrats to embrace law-based democracy, to undercut the appeal of the Soviet-backed far-left. This effort bore considerable fruit and needs to be copied today to undercut Moscow’s aggressive messaging. This means reaching out to moderate nationalists and social conservatives who want to preserve Western democracy and the rule of law against the Russian threat. There are many more of them than our WEIRD (Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich and Democratic) elites realize. If we do not, those citizens will be left with no ideological alternative except the Kremlin’s. The necessary first step is admitting that the other side in Cold War 2.0 has an ideology at all.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    edited March 2018
    glw said:

    Foxy said:

    I think some of those are definitely hot wars! You may recall that I have opposed all the things that you mention, we merely argue the means and style.

    There were plenty of hot wars in Cold War 1.0 as well.

    There's even this today.

    Russia 'arming the Afghan Taliban', says US
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-43500299

    If this isn't Cold War 2.0 whatever it is is doing a damn good impression.
    How would you define a hot war? The only time the soldiers of the United States and a major Communist state saw combat action against each other was in Korea in the 50s - and even then the Communist state was China. Otherwise it was generally Wars fought by proxy via local militias, with the important exceptions for the Americans of Vietnam and the Soviets of Afghanistan.
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    kle4 said:
    I hope not but a lot in that article is true - TM is in a strong position in her party at present.

    But no, absolutely, no talk of an election please
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    Barnesian said:

    He's not going to last long is he? I can't find any odds on next to leave the Cabinet.
    He is so immature
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,529

    Barnesian said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Barnesian said:

    It is very strange how Corbyn makes people who are normally sane and articulate go quite bananas.

    The emotion is so strong that it is clearly not a normal rational evaluation but something quite deep. I suspect it is the fact that he is a clever politician and a strong leader that is leading his party to success that really freaks them out. They desperately thrash around trying to derail him, without success. It must be very frustrating.

    Really? Who is doing this (with link)? My take on him is that he is a profoundly stupid man of a type very common on the Left, all the way from Scargill and Skinner down to the sort of students who like to go "on protests" generically (i.e. without reference to what the protest is a protest against), of interest only because of the mismatch between his abilities and his job. Not sure what you refer to when you say "leading his party to success."
    Off the top of my head, I can think of at least six contributors who are usually sensible, articulate, and well respected who simply go OTT bananas on the subject of Corbyn. I find it very odd and I'm constantly surprised. I'm not going to link to them but I know who they are and you do too I suspect.

    Leading his party to success means getting it into power. It's a combination of clever popular policies (unlike the Tories), mobilising a large group of enthusiastic activists (unlike the Tories), maintaining party discipline including firing people who get out of line (unlike Mrs M), and steadfastly shrugging off personal attacks without retaliation.
    If you say so. Don't think he's a very good fortnight personally, and his party is a shambles currently.
    Have I slipped back a year in a timewarp? This sort of thing was being routinely opined in March 2017. What happened next?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    Barnesian said:

    He's not going to last long is he? I can't find any odds on next to leave the Cabinet.
    Ladbrokes have him at 5/1 third favourite behind May herself and Boris. Both have had OK weeks so odds will perhaps lengthen a touch.

    Personally I would have said the value is fourth favourite David Davis at 6/1. I will be very surprised if he is still in post in a year's time. Not only would he be pushing seventy but we will have left the EU and his job will have ended. There seems little hope of a promotion and I doubt if he would accept a lesser post.

    I'm also surprised Liam Fox is 10/1. Seriously?
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    steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 1,019
    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Barnesian said:

    It is very strange how Corbyn makes people who are normally sane and articulate go quite bananas.

    The emotion is so strong that it is clearly not a normal rational evaluation but something quite deep. I suspect it is the fact that he is a clever politician and a strong leader that is leading his party to success that really freaks them out. They desperately thrash around trying to derail him, without success. It must be very frustrating.

    Really? Who is doing this (with link)? My take on him is that he is a profoundly stupid man of a type very common on the Left, all the way from Scargill and Skinner down to the sort of students who like to go "on protests" generically (i.e. without reference to what the protest is a protest against), of interest only because of the mismatch between his abilities and his job. Not sure what you refer to when you say "leading his party to success."
    Off the top of my head, I can think of at least six contributors who are usually sensible, articulate, and well respected who simply go OTT bananas on the subject of Corbyn. I find it very odd and I'm constantly surprised. I'm not going to link to them but I know who they are and you do too I suspect.

    Leading his party to success means getting it into power. It's a combination of clever popular policies (unlike the Tories), mobilising a large group of enthusiastic activists (unlike the Tories), maintaining party discipline including firing people who get out of line (unlike Mrs M), and steadfastly shrugging off personal attacks without retaliation.
    If you say so. Don't think he's a very good fortnight personally, and his party is a shambles currently.
    Have I slipped back a year in a timewarp? This sort of thing was being routinely opined in March 2017. What happened next?
    Wrong question. The right question is what happens next?
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    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Barnesian said:

    It is very strange how Corbyn makes people who are normally sane and articulate go quite bananas.

    The emotion is so strong that it is clearly not a normal rational evaluation but something quite deep. I suspect it is the fact that he is a clever politician and a strong leader that is leading his party to success that really freaks them out. They desperately thrash around trying to derail him, without success. It must be very frustrating.

    Really? Who is doing this (with link)? My take on him is that he is a profoundly stupid man of a type very common on the Left, all the way from Scargill and Skinner down to the sort of students who like to go "on protests" generically (i.e. without reference to what the protest is a protest against), of interest only because of the mismatch between his abilities and his job. Not sure what you refer to when you say "leading his party to success."
    Off the top of my head, I can think of at least six contributors who are usually sensible, articulate, and well respected who simply go OTT bananas on the subject of Corbyn. I find it very odd and I'm constantly surprised. I'm not going to link to them but I know who they are and you do too I suspect.

    Leading his party to success means getting it into power. It's a combination of clever popular policies (unlike the Tories), mobilising a large group of enthusiastic activists (unlike the Tories), maintaining party discipline including firing people who get out of line (unlike Mrs M), and steadfastly shrugging off personal attacks without retaliation.
    If you say so. Don't think he's a very good fortnight personally, and his party is a shambles currently.
    Have I slipped back a year in a timewarp? This sort of thing was being routinely opined in March 2017. What happened next?
    Er - he lost an election
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Barnesian said:

    It is very strange how Corbyn makes people who are normally sane and articulate go quite bananas.

    The emotion is so strong that it is clearly not a normal rational evaluation but something quite deep. I suspect it is the fact that he is a clever politician and a strong leader that is leading his party to success that really freaks them out. They desperately thrash around trying to derail him, without success. It must be very frustrating.

    Really? Who is doing this (with link)? My take on him is that he is a profoundly stupid man of a type very common on the Left, all the way from Scargill and Skinner down to the sort of students who like to go "on protests" generically (i.e. without reference to what the protest is a protest against), of interest only because of the mismatch between his abilities and his job. Not sure what you refer to when you say "leading his party to success."
    Off the top of my head, I can think of at least six contributors who are usually sensible, articulate, and well respected who simply go OTT bananas on the subject of Corbyn. I find it very odd and I'm constantly surprised. I'm not going to link to them but I know who they are and you do too I suspect.

    Leading his party to success means getting it into power. It's a combination of clever popular policies (unlike the Tories), mobilising a large group of enthusiastic activists (unlike the Tories), maintaining party discipline including firing people who get out of line (unlike Mrs M), and steadfastly shrugging off personal attacks without retaliation.
    If you say so. Don't think he's a very good fortnight personally, and his party is a shambles currently.
    Have I slipped back a year in a timewarp? This sort of thing was being routinely opined in March 2017. What happened next?
    The Copeland by-election which triggered the most unwise general election - from every point of view - since Baldwin fought the 1923 election on making food more expensive.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,529

    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Barnesian said:

    It is very strange how Corbyn makes people who are normally sane and articulate go quite bananas.

    The emotion is so strong that it is clearly not a normal rational evaluation but something quite deep. I suspect it is the fact that he is a clever politician and a strong leader that is leading his party to success that really freaks them out. They desperately thrash around trying to derail him, without success. It must be very frustrating.

    Really? Who is doing this (with link)? My take on him is that he is a profoundly stupid man of a type very common on the Left, all the way from Scargill and Skinner down to the sort of students who like to go "on protests" generically (i.e. without reference to what the protest is a protest against), of interest only because of the mismatch between his abilities and his job. Not sure what you refer to when you say "leading his party to success."
    Off the top of my head, I can think of at least six contributors who are usually sensible, articulate, and well respected who simply go OTT bananas on the subject of Corbyn. I find it very odd and I'm constantly surprised. I'm not going to link to them but I know who they are and you do too I suspect.

    Leading his party to success means getting it into power. It's a combination of clever popular policies (unlike the Tories), mobilising a large group of enthusiastic activists (unlike the Tories), maintaining party discipline including firing people who get out of line (unlike Mrs M), and steadfastly shrugging off personal attacks without retaliation.
    If you say so. Don't think he's a very good fortnight personally, and his party is a shambles currently.
    Have I slipped back a year in a timewarp? This sort of thing was being routinely opined in March 2017. What happened next?
    Wrong question. The right question is what happens next?
    I suspect that we will see in the May Local elections.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,625
    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Barnesian said:

    It is very strange how Corbyn makes people who are normally sane and articulate go quite bananas.

    The emotion is so strong that it is clearly not a normal rational evaluation but something quite deep. I suspect it is the fact that he is a clever politician and a strong leader that is leading his party to success that really freaks them out. They desperately thrash around trying to derail him, without success. It must be very frustrating.

    Really? Who is doing this (with link)? My take on him is that he is a profoundly stupid man of a type very common on the Left, all the way from Scargill and Skinner down to the sort of students who like to go "on protests" generically (i.e. without reference to what the protest is a protest against), of interest only because of the mismatch between his abilities and his job. Not sure what you refer to when you say "leading his party to success."
    Off the top of my head, I can think of at least six contributors who are usually sensible, articulate, and well respected who simply go OTT bananas on the subject of Corbyn. I find it very odd and I'm constantly surprised. I'm not going to link to them but I know who they are and you do too I suspect.

    Leading his party to success means getting it into power. It's a combination of clever popular policies (unlike the Tories), mobilising a large group of enthusiastic activists (unlike the Tories), maintaining party discipline including firing people who get out of line (unlike Mrs M), and steadfastly shrugging off personal attacks without retaliation.
    If you say so. Don't think he's a very good fortnight personally, and his party is a shambles currently.
    Have I slipped back a year in a timewarp? This sort of thing was being routinely opined in March 2017.
    Untrue - a year ago it would not have been 'don't think he's had a very good fortnight' it would have been 'don't think he's had a good year'. The former recognises he has had some good times. And how many people are saying they think, because of his having a bad couple of weeks compared to his time since last June, that the Tories should try for an election? Not many.

    So there is nothing necessarily incorrect in saying that he has had a relatively bad couple of weeks, nor that there were indications the party was in a shambles, there were plenty of reports (which, in fairness, and as predicted, not amounted to anything).
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    ydoethur said:

    Barnesian said:

    He's not going to last long is he? I can't find any odds on next to leave the Cabinet.
    Ladbrokes have him at 5/1 third favourite behind May herself and Boris. Both have had OK weeks so odds will perhaps lengthen a touch.

    Personally I would have said the value is fourth favourite David Davis at 6/1. I will be very surprised if he is still in post in a year's time. Not only would he be pushing seventy but we will have left the EU and his job will have ended. There seems little hope of a promotion and I doubt if he would accept a lesser post.

    I'm also surprised Liam Fox is 10/1. Seriously?
    I keep saying, the next leader will be a female
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,625
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Barnesian said:

    It is very strange how Corbyn makes people who are normally sane and articulate go quite bananas.

    The emotion is so strong that it is clearly not a normal rational evaluation but something quite deep. I suspect it is the fact that he is a clever politician and a strong leader that is leading his party to success that really freaks them out. They desperately thrash around trying to derail him, without success. It must be very frustrating.

    Really? Who is doing this (with link)? My take on him is that he is a profoundly stupid man of a type very common on the Left, all the way from Scargill and Skinner down to the sort of students who like to go "on protests" generically (i.e. without reference to what the protest is a protest against), of interest only because of the mismatch between his abilities and his job. Not sure what you refer to when you say "leading his party to success."
    Off the top of my head, I can think of at least six contributors who are usually sensible, articulate, and well respected who simply go OTT bananas on the subject of Corbyn. I find it very odd and I'm constantly surprised. I'm not going to link to them but I know who they are and you do too I suspect.

    Leading his party to success means getting it into power. It's a combination of clever popular policies (unlike the Tories), mobilising a large group of enthusiastic activists (unlike the Tories), maintaining party discipline including firing people who get out of line (unlike Mrs M), and steadfastly shrugging off personal attacks without retaliation.
    If you say so. Don't think he's a very good fortnight personally, and his party is a shambles currently.
    Have I slipped back a year in a timewarp? This sort of thing was being routinely opined in March 2017. What happened next?
    Wrong question. The right question is what happens next?
    I suspect that we will see in the May Local elections.
    Which as we know, are not always very indicative even of GEs coming up very shortly afterwards. But Labour should be in for a good night. I'm more interested in your old buddies, the Lid Dems.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109

    ydoethur said:

    Barnesian said:

    He's not going to last long is he? I can't find any odds on next to leave the Cabinet.
    Ladbrokes have him at 5/1 third favourite behind May herself and Boris. Both have had OK weeks so odds will perhaps lengthen a touch.

    Personally I would have said the value is fourth favourite David Davis at 6/1. I will be very surprised if he is still in post in a year's time. Not only would he be pushing seventy but we will have left the EU and his job will have ended. There seems little hope of a promotion and I doubt if he would accept a lesser post.

    I'm also surprised Liam Fox is 10/1. Seriously?
    I keep saying, the next leader will be a female
    That's next to leave the cabinet, not next leader!
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    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Barnesian said:

    It is very strange how Corbyn makes people who are normally sane and articulate go quite bananas.

    The emotion is so strong that it is clearly not a normal rational evaluation but something quite deep. I suspect it is the fact that he is a clever politician and a strong leader that is leading his party to success that really freaks them out. They desperately thrash around trying to derail him, without success. It must be very frustrating.

    Really? Who is doing this (with link)? My take on him is that he is a profoundly stupid man of a type very common on the Left, all the way from Scargill and Skinner down to the sort of students who like to go "on protests" generically (i.e. without reference to what the protest is a protest against), of interest only because of the mismatch between his abilities and his job. Not sure what you refer to when you say "leading his party to success."
    Off the top of my head, I can think of at least six contributors who are usually sensible, articulate, and well respected who simply go OTT bananas on the subject of Corbyn. I find it very odd and I'm constantly surprised. I'm not going to link to them but I know who they are and you do too I suspect.

    Leading his party to success means getting it into power. It's a combination of clever popular policies (unlike the Tories), mobilising a large group of enthusiastic activists (unlike the Tories), maintaining party discipline including firing people who get out of line (unlike Mrs M), and steadfastly shrugging off personal attacks without retaliation.
    If you say so. Don't think he's a very good fortnight personally, and his party is a shambles currently.
    Have I slipped back a year in a timewarp? This sort of thing was being routinely opined in March 2017. What happened next?
    Wrong question. The right question is what happens next?
    I suspect that we will see in the May Local elections.
    I expect labour will have an outstanding night in London, the cons and lib dems better in the rest of England
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Could be a bad move - Corbyn could well show up, condemn anti-semitism, and then some of the people who were angry will persuade themselves the pleasant old man is being attacked for no reason.
    Yes - there hasn’t been an opportunity for Corbyn to make a clear statement of anti Semitism- - this is his first chance and he may seize it.
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    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Barnesian said:

    He's not going to last long is he? I can't find any odds on next to leave the Cabinet.
    Ladbrokes have him at 5/1 third favourite behind May herself and Boris. Both have had OK weeks so odds will perhaps lengthen a touch.

    Personally I would have said the value is fourth favourite David Davis at 6/1. I will be very surprised if he is still in post in a year's time. Not only would he be pushing seventy but we will have left the EU and his job will have ended. There seems little hope of a promotion and I doubt if he would accept a lesser post.

    I'm also surprised Liam Fox is 10/1. Seriously?
    I keep saying, the next leader will be a female
    That's next to leave the cabinet, not next leader!
    Both
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    steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 1,019
    TGOHF said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Could be a bad move - Corbyn could well show up, condemn anti-semitism, and then some of the people who were angry will persuade themselves the pleasant old man is being attacked for no reason.
    Yes - there hasn’t been an opportunity for Corbyn to make a clear statement of anti Semitism- - this is his first chance and he may seize it.
    Ho ho ho.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,529
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Barnesian said:

    It is very strange how Corbyn makes people who are normally sane and articulate go quite bananas.

    The emotion is so strong that it is clearly not a normal rational evaluation but something quite deep. I suspect it is the fact that he is a clever politician and a strong leader that is leading his party to success that really freaks them out. They desperately thrash around trying to derail him, without success. It must be very frustrating.

    Really? Who is doing this (with link)? My take on him is that he is a profoundly stupid man of a type very common on the Left, all the way from Scargill and Skinner down to the sort of students who like to go "on protests" generically (i.e. without reference to what the protest is a protest against), of interest only because of the mismatch between his abilities and his job. Not sure what you refer to when you say "leading his party to success."
    Off the top of my head, I can think of at least six contributors who are usually sensible, articulate, and well respected who simply go OTT bananas on the subject of Corbyn. I find it very odd and I'm constantly surprised. I'm not going to link to them but I know who they are and you do too I suspect.

    Leading his party to success means getting it into power. It's a combination of clever popular policies (unlike the Tories), mobilising a large group of enthusiastic activists (unlike the Tories), maintaining party discipline including firing people who get out of line (unlike Mrs M), and steadfastly shrugging off personal attacks without retaliation.
    If you say so. Don't think he's a very good fortnight personally, and his party is a shambles currently.
    Have I slipped back a year in a timewarp? This sort of thing was being routinely opined in March 2017. What happened next?
    Wrong question. The right question is what happens next?
    I suspect that we will see in the May Local elections.
    Which as we know, are not always very indicative even of GEs coming up very shortly afterwards. But Labour should be in for a good night. I'm more interested in your old buddies, the Lid Dems.
    Sure, they are an uncertain weathervane, particularly for a GE some years ahead. They are important in their own right and also as a base to work on related GE seats.

    I remain a LD, but a rather sleeping one until Vince goes, and Brexit is out of the way.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,921
    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Charles said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    In truth, something for everyone in the week's local by-election results and little to be gleaned at a national level.

    I've never been at a count where the result has been tied - is there a single method to decide used everywhere ? I've heard the drawing of lots or the toss of a coin being used but I suppose it's up to the discretion of the returning officer.

    It's a horrible way to lose.

    The DJIA has lost in excess of 2,000 points since February 26th when it was 25,709. I make that close to correction territory (10%). The FTSE has lost 870 points since its high in January of 7792.6 so more than 10% given up and the index is where it was in August 2016 so all the "Trump Bump" erased.

    Sterling still a few cents below the pre 23/6/16 level but against the Euro still 14 cents below the pre-Referendum numbers.

    FWIW Caz have just deployed 25% on a cash reserve my foundation had into equities...
    Brave.
    75% still in cash (we went all cash in December)
    In fiat currencies?
    I don’t do bitcoin!
    So, do you prefer Ethereum or are you a Litecoin kind of guy?
    Strictly real estate, paintings and wine.
    Ah, you own

    kle4 said:
    I hope not but a lot in that article is true - TM is in a strong position in her party at present.

    But no, absolutely, no talk of an election please
    You know, if she called an election, she could crush the saboteurs.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    kle4 said:

    Jeremy Corbyn sacks Labour's Owen Smith over referendum call
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43521321

    Leader sacks subordinate advocating non-party policy?
    call me a cynic- but what about Abbott?
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    TGOHF said:
    Stop complaining - do something about it
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,625
    TGOHF said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Could be a bad move - Corbyn could well show up, condemn anti-semitism, and then some of the people who were angry will persuade themselves the pleasant old man is being attacked for no reason.
    Yes - there hasn’t been an opportunity for Corbyn to make a clear statement of anti Semitism- - this is his first chance and he may seize it.
    Well, I would say it's easy to create an opportunity to make a clear statement of such at any time, but nevertheless relying on him to appear to equivocate in such a debate would, I think, be an error. He's occasionally a very savvy operator, and is a professional politician, and could well craft a good statement which will play well in countless shares, no matter if others come back and claim other actions speak against it, truthfully or otherwise.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,921

    Barnesian said:

    He's not going to last long is he? I can't find any odds on next to leave the Cabinet.
    He is so immature
    My theory is that Mrs May is promoting him to emphasise how good she is by comparison.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    edited March 2018

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Barnesian said:

    He's not going to last long is he? I can't find any odds on next to leave the Cabinet.
    Ladbrokes have him at 5/1 third favourite behind May herself and Boris. Both have had OK weeks so odds will perhaps lengthen a touch.

    Personally I would have said the value is fourth favourite David Davis at 6/1. I will be very surprised if he is still in post in a year's time. Not only would he be pushing seventy but we will have left the EU and his job will have ended. There seems little hope of a promotion and I doubt if he would accept a lesser post.

    I'm also surprised Liam Fox is 10/1. Seriously?
    I keep saying, the next leader will be a female
    That's next to leave the cabinet, not next leader!
    Both
    No, the odds I quoted are not for 'both.' They are for next to leave the cabinet as @Barnesian was complaining he couldn't find them. I think you misunderstood what I was typing as otherwise your comments make no sense.

    (They could hardly be for next leader when May is the joint favourite!)
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,625
    Floater said:

    kle4 said:

    Jeremy Corbyn sacks Labour's Owen Smith over referendum call
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43521321

    Leader sacks subordinate advocating non-party policy?
    call me a cynic- but what about Abbott?
    I was merely being cheeky - I'm sure it is about Corbyn's increasing power as to why a former opponent cannot get away with it when others could, but on the face of it publicly going against official policy is reasonable grounds for sacking.

    I look forward to his explanation of what the difference is - there seemingly being none would require either ignoring the point to keep Abbot, sacking her, or a truly creative response which could turn out to be pretty amusing.

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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    Floater said:

    kle4 said:

    Jeremy Corbyn sacks Labour's Owen Smith over referendum call
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43521321

    Leader sacks subordinate advocating non-party policy?
    call me a cynic- but what about Abbott?
    Because he screwed her in the past, she can screw party policy?
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    rcs1000 said:

    Barnesian said:

    He's not going to last long is he? I can't find any odds on next to leave the Cabinet.
    He is so immature
    My theory is that Mrs May is promoting him to emphasise how good she is by comparison.
    He has let her down and is just too immature for his position
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Dan Jarvis, Owen Smith, Murals, just another happy day in the Labour Party. No doubt BJO will be along soon to explain how marvellous it all is.

    BJO - showed his views all to clearly last thread
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,529

    rcs1000 said:

    Barnesian said:

    He's not going to last long is he? I can't find any odds on next to leave the Cabinet.
    He is so immature
    My theory is that Mrs May is promoting him to emphasise how good she is by comparison.
    He has let her down and is just too immature for his position
    Once again May has shown her lack of competence in promoting him.
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    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Barnesian said:

    He's not going to last long is he? I can't find any odds on next to leave the Cabinet.
    Ladbrokes have him at 5/1 third favourite behind May herself and Boris. Both have had OK weeks so odds will perhaps lengthen a touch.

    Personally I would have said the value is fourth favourite David Davis at 6/1. I will be very surprised if he is still in post in a year's time. Not only would he be pushing seventy but we will have left the EU and his job will have ended. There seems little hope of a promotion and I doubt if he would accept a lesser post.

    I'm also surprised Liam Fox is 10/1. Seriously?
    I keep saying, the next leader will be a female
    That's next to leave the cabinet, not next leader!
    Both
    No, the odds I quoted are not for 'both.' They are for next to leave the cabinet as @Barnesian was complaining he couldn't find them. I think you misunderstood what I was typing as otherwise your comments make no sense.

    (They could hardly be for next leader when May is the joint favourite!)
    My apologies - old age advances
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    steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 1,019
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Barnesian said:

    He's not going to last long is he? I can't find any odds on next to leave the Cabinet.
    He is so immature
    My theory is that Mrs May is promoting him to emphasise how good she is by comparison.
    He has let her down and is just too immature for his position
    Once again May has shown her lack of competence in promoting him.
    Your mate Corbyn exudes competence does he not, as we can see from the state of his party tonight.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,529

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Barnesian said:

    He's not going to last long is he? I can't find any odds on next to leave the Cabinet.
    Ladbrokes have him at 5/1 third favourite behind May herself and Boris. Both have had OK weeks so odds will perhaps lengthen a touch.

    Personally I would have said the value is fourth favourite David Davis at 6/1. I will be very surprised if he is still in post in a year's time. Not only would he be pushing seventy but we will have left the EU and his job will have ended. There seems little hope of a promotion and I doubt if he would accept a lesser post.

    I'm also surprised Liam Fox is 10/1. Seriously?
    I keep saying, the next leader will be a female
    That's next to leave the cabinet, not next leader!
    Both
    No, the odds I quoted are not for 'both.' They are for next to leave the cabinet as @Barnesian was complaining he couldn't find them. I think you misunderstood what I was typing as otherwise your comments make no sense.

    (They could hardly be for next leader when May is the joint favourite!)
    My apologies - old age advances
    We are all older than we were!
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,987
    edited March 2018
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Barnesian said:

    He's not going to last long is he? I can't find any odds on next to leave the Cabinet.
    Ladbrokes have him at 5/1 third favourite behind May herself and Boris. Both have had OK weeks so odds will perhaps lengthen a touch.

    Personally I would have said the value is fourth favourite David Davis at 6/1. I will be very surprised if he is still in post in a year's time. Not only would he be pushing seventy but we will have left the EU and his job will have ended. There seems little hope of a promotion and I doubt if he would accept a lesser post.

    I'm also surprised Liam Fox is 10/1. Seriously?
    I keep saying, the next leader will be a female
    That's next to leave the cabinet, not next leader!
    Both
    No, the odds I quoted are not for 'both.' They are for next to leave the cabinet as @Barnesian was complaining he couldn't find them. I think you misunderstood what I was typing as otherwise your comments make no sense.

    (They could hardly be for next leader when May is the joint favourite!)
    @ydoethur Thanks for the lead to Ladbrokes. I got a boosted 11/2 on Williamson to be next to leave. It will be embarrassing for May to sack him having so recently promoted him, but I imagine she is under a lot of pressure to do so, including from members of the Chief of Staffs Committee who must cringe with embarrassment at their boss.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Barnesian said:

    He's not going to last long is he? I can't find any odds on next to leave the Cabinet.
    He is so immature
    My theory is that Mrs May is promoting him to emphasise how good she is by comparison.
    He has let her down and is just too immature for his position
    Once again May has shown her lack of competence in promoting him.
    Agree,Mercer or mordaunt should have got it.
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    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Barnesian said:

    He's not going to last long is he? I can't find any odds on next to leave the Cabinet.
    Ladbrokes have him at 5/1 third favourite behind May herself and Boris. Both have had OK weeks so odds will perhaps lengthen a touch.

    Personally I would have said the value is fourth favourite David Davis at 6/1. I will be very surprised if he is still in post in a year's time. Not only would he be pushing seventy but we will have left the EU and his job will have ended. There seems little hope of a promotion and I doubt if he would accept a lesser post.

    I'm also surprised Liam Fox is 10/1. Seriously?
    I keep saying, the next leader will be a female
    That's next to leave the cabinet, not next leader!
    Both
    No, the odds I quoted are not for 'both.' They are for next to leave the cabinet as @Barnesian was complaining he couldn't find them. I think you misunderstood what I was typing as otherwise your comments make no sense.

    (They could hardly be for next leader when May is the joint favourite!)
    My apologies - old age advances
    We are all older than we were!
    Watching our football teams can have that effect !!!
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,625

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Barnesian said:

    He's not going to last long is he? I can't find any odds on next to leave the Cabinet.
    Ladbrokes have him at 5/1 third favourite behind May herself and Boris. Both have had OK weeks so odds will perhaps lengthen a touch.

    Personally I would have said the value is fourth favourite David Davis at 6/1. I will be very surprised if he is still in post in a year's time. Not only would he be pushing seventy but we will have left the EU and his job will have ended. There seems little hope of a promotion and I doubt if he would accept a lesser post.

    I'm also surprised Liam Fox is 10/1. Seriously?
    I keep saying, the next leader will be a female
    That's next to leave the cabinet, not next leader!
    Both
    No, the odds I quoted are not for 'both.' They are for next to leave the cabinet as @Barnesian was complaining he couldn't find them. I think you misunderstood what I was typing as otherwise your comments make no sense.

    (They could hardly be for next leader when May is the joint favourite!)
    My apologies - old age advances
    We are all older than we were!
    Watching our football teams can have that effect !!!
    Realising it usually wasn't worth watching a England football game was when I knew I had truly grown up.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    AndyJS said:

    Corbyn's Russian response probably costing them the seat in Thurrock.

    Presumably more popular in Worksop and Leek!

    In Thurrock there was a bigger gain by Lab than Con, so I think Tories obsession with this is rather over egged.
    Conservative obsession with a military grade nerve agent used on the streets of Salisbury with the EU 100% backing UK, EU Russian Ambassador recalled, and individual EU countries to announce more measures next week

    I think your politics are deliberately trying to downplay this outrageous attack on us to deflect from your dear leader, the marxist communist Corbyn with his communist office acting as Russia Today's mouth piece
    I think that you are certainly over egging Jezzas position, which is slightly different in tone, but actually very little different to the governments. Ludicrous Tory hyperbole is counterproductive in damaging Jezza.
    Corbyn is a Russian loving marxist communist as is most of his office. Do you deny this
    I dont think he is either Communist or Marxist, or particularly A Russophile.
    Wow, just wow
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    AndyJS said:

    Corbyn's Russian response probably costing them the seat in Thurrock.

    Presumably more popular in Worksop and Leek!

    In Thurrock there was a bigger gain by Lab than Con, so I think Tories obsession with this is rather over egged.
    Conservative obsession with a military grade nerve agent used on the streets of Salisbury with the EU 100% backing UK, EU Russian Ambassador recalled, and individual EU countries to announce more measures next week

    I think your politics are deliberately trying to downplay this outrageous attack on us to deflect from your dear leader, the marxist communist Corbyn with his communist office acting as Russia Today's mouth piece
    I think that you are certainly over egging Jezzas position, which is slightly different in tone, but actually very little different to the governments. Ludicrous Tory hyperbole is counterproductive in damaging Jezza.
    Corbyn is a Russian loving marxist communist as is most of his office. Do you deny this
    I dont think he is either Communist or Marxist, or particularly A Russophile.
    Well you are entitled to your opinion but are you saying Milne is not
    I don't apply such labels to other people. I allow them to self identify rather than be caricatured by their opponents.

    This is Jezzas response to the Salisbury attack. Not much difference is there?

    https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/974385316025991168?s=19
    that wasn't his first response was it - you know the one that had his own benches up in arms
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Barnesian said:

    He's not going to last long is he? I can't find any odds on next to leave the Cabinet.
    Ladbrokes have him at 5/1 third favourite behind May herself and Boris. Both have had OK weeks so odds will perhaps lengthen a touch.

    Personally I would have said the value is fourth favourite David Davis at 6/1. I will be very surprised if he is still in post in a year's time. Not only would he be pushing seventy but we will have left the EU and his job will have ended. There seems little hope of a promotion and I doubt if he would accept a lesser post.

    I'm also surprised Liam Fox is 10/1. Seriously?
    I keep saying, the next leader will be a female
    That's next to leave the cabinet, not next leader!
    Both
    No, the odds I quoted are not for 'both.' They are for next to leave the cabinet as @Barnesian was complaining he couldn't find them. I think you misunderstood what I was typing as otherwise your comments make no sense.

    (They could hardly be for next leader when May is the joint favourite!)
    My apologies - old age advances
    No worries Big G. After last week I feel like I'm catching up with you!
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    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Barnesian said:

    He's not going to last long is he? I can't find any odds on next to leave the Cabinet.
    Ladbrokes have him at 5/1 third favourite behind May herself and Boris. Both have had OK weeks so odds will perhaps lengthen a touch.

    Personally I would have said the value is fourth favourite David Davis at 6/1. I will be very surprised if he is still in post in a year's time. Not only would he be pushing seventy but we will have left the EU and his job will have ended. There seems little hope of a promotion and I doubt if he would accept a lesser post.

    I'm also surprised Liam Fox is 10/1. Seriously?
    I keep saying, the next leader will be a female
    That's next to leave the cabinet, not next leader!
    Both
    No, the odds I quoted are not for 'both.' They are for next to leave the cabinet as @Barnesian was complaining he couldn't find them. I think you misunderstood what I was typing as otherwise your comments make no sense.

    (They could hardly be for next leader when May is the joint favourite!)
    My apologies - old age advances
    We are all older than we were!
    Watching our football teams can have that effect !!!
    Realising it usually wasn't worth watching a England football game was when I knew I had truly grown up.
    I gave up on England in 1967 - I was referring to Man Utd who I have supported since 1951
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    Nude Fred.

    Ah, I mean New Thread.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,704
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Barnesian said:

    He's not going to last long is he? I can't find any odds on next to leave the Cabinet.
    Ladbrokes have him at 5/1 third favourite behind May herself and Boris. Both have had OK weeks so odds will perhaps lengthen a touch.

    Personally I would have said the value is fourth favourite David Davis at 6/1. I will be very surprised if he is still in post in a year's time. Not only would he be pushing seventy but we will have left the EU and his job will have ended. There seems little hope of a promotion and I doubt if he would accept a lesser post.

    I'm also surprised Liam Fox is 10/1. Seriously?
    I keep saying, the next leader will be a female
    That's next to leave the cabinet, not next leader!
    Both
    No, the odds I quoted are not for 'both.' They are for next to leave the cabinet as @Barnesian was complaining he couldn't find them. I think you misunderstood what I was typing as otherwise your comments make no sense.

    (They could hardly be for next leader when May is the joint favourite!)
    My apologies - old age advances
    We are all older than we were!
    Watching our football teams can have that effect !!!
    Realising it usually wasn't worth watching a England football game was when I knew I had truly grown up.
    I think that happened to me in South Africa, 2010 was it? That was an terrible tournament
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