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  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    kle4 said:

    Charles said:

    kle4 said:

    Since the plan, such as it exists, seems to not directly try for sitting MP defections, and if the leader of a new group were to be ex-tory or ex-labour it would immediately be seen as being just for that group, a complete political unknown might even be a better option to Front things, famous and charismatic but not obviously one or the other. God knows who fits the bill.
    .

    Eddie Izzard?
    'Not one or the other' . I think it is pretty clear Mr Izzard is a Labour man, even if only us anoraks knew prior to a week or so ago.
    TBH, I suspect that only us anoraks know today!
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315

    kle4 said:

    Apparently 'Norfolk Island' have picked up a bronze medal in the Commonwealth Games. Cannot say I was familiar with them.

    Wasn’t it the penal colony for Australian convicts in the 1800’s?
    It is an external territory of Australia - midway between the Aussie mainland and NZ - so its 2000 or so residents are Aussie citizens. If you can't make the Aussie Commonwealth team and you are vaguely decent in your sport you could then try Norfolk Island instead! Still well done to them for their bronze.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392

    kle4 said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Can we all agree that the cliche "useful idiot" has been fucked to death? Nobody should use it until they have read and fully parsed Volkogonov's "Lenin:A New Biography" in order to properly understand its context.

    Words and phrases take on their own popular meaning, which can be completely at odds with its original purpose.
    Quite so. I think its generally used form now is understood.
    Absolutely.
    It's very easily understood as a phrase righties throw out when they want to associate lefties with Marxist Leninism and the excesses of the Soviet Union (which by some miracle of transmutation are still defining qualities of Putin's Russia).
    On the contrary - I think it can be used generically to refer to people who through their actions, and idiocy, aid people hostile to their own interests.

    I'm very much in favour of de-partisan-ing insults. It's why I think snowflake applies to both right and left. Ans useful idiot is a useful enough phrase to be restricted solely to one side of the spectrum or ties to marxism.

    Which is not to say people don't use it in the manner you describe, but getting one's panties in a twist about it seems like an overreaction. Nor does some people overusing it mean it can never apply to anyone.

  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    I prefer Capitalism to Socialism, but stories of greed like this sicken me:

    The mother-of-two planned to buy the freehold, priced at £5,000, as soon as she had the money. But a year later the property developer sold it to an offshore investment company which repriced it at £50,000.

    https://news.sky.com/story/rip-off-leasehold-reforms-dont-go-far-enough-say-campaigners-11322160

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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    Charles said:

    kle4 said:

    Charles said:

    kle4 said:

    Since the plan, such as it exists, seems to not directly try for sitting MP defections, and if the leader of a new group were to be ex-tory or ex-labour it would immediately be seen as being just for that group, a complete political unknown might even be a better option to Front things, famous and charismatic but not obviously one or the other. God knows who fits the bill.
    .

    Eddie Izzard?
    'Not one or the other' . I think it is pretty clear Mr Izzard is a Labour man, even if only us anoraks knew prior to a week or so ago.
    TBH, I suspect that only us anoraks know today!
    Probably, but it at least got a mention in the mainstream news, briefly, when he got on to the NEC.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,387
    Turnout in Hungary at 42%, about 8pp higher than four years ago (which would place total turnout at approx. 70%). However EuropeElects is forecasting 72-76%, which is higher still. Don't know if they have aother reason for believing that.

    The Betfair over/under line is 67.5%; I would stay close to evens myself. (It's currently 1.3 on "over". It was 1.12 on "under" earlier in the week!)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,748
    edited April 2018
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Can we all agree that the cliche "useful idiot" has been fucked to death? Nobody should use it until they have read and fully parsed Volkogonov's "Lenin:A New Biography" in order to properly understand its context.

    Words and phrases take on their own popular meaning, which can be completely at odds with its original purpose.
    Quite so. I think its generally used form now is understood.
    Absolutely.
    It's very easily understood as a phrase righties throw out when they want to associate lefties with Marxist Leninism and the excesses of the Soviet Union (which by some miracle of transmutation are still defining qualities of Putin's Russia).
    On the contrary - I think it can be used generically to refer to people who through their actions, and idiocy, aid people hostile to their own interests.

    I'm very much in favour of de-partisan-ing insults. It's why I think snowflake applies to both right and left. Ans useful idiot is a useful enough phrase to be restricted solely to one side of the spectrum or ties to marxism.

    Which is not to say people don't use it in the manner you describe, but getting one's panties in a twist about it seems like an overreaction. Nor does some people overusing it mean it can never apply to anyone.

    Since the context was I think Boris's use of the phrase, I think I summed that up pretty cogently even if I say so myself.

    However I agree that insults should be freed up for everyone's use!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,695

    viewcode said:

    kle4 said:

    Since the plan, such as it exists, seems to not directly try for sitting MP defections, and if the leader of a new group were to be ex-tory or ex-labour it would immediately be seen as being just for that group, a complete political unknown might even be a better option to Front things, famous and charismatic but not obviously one or the other. God knows who fits the bill.
    .

    Alan Sugar.
    On the basis of this tweet Sugar seems barely Trump-level literate.

    https://twitter.com/Lord_Sugar/status/982448851830431745


    His Lordship appears to be channeling his inner Donald there! :D
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,673
    justin124 said:

    malcolmg said:

    justin124 said:

    Panelbase poll of Scotland for The Sunday Times

    Westminster (changes since September)

    SNP 36% (-5%)

    Con 28% (+1%)

    Lab 27% (+3%),

    Lib Dems 6% (nc)

    Greens 2%(nc)

    Seats: Conservative 13 (no change), Labour 13 (+6), Lib Dem 4 (no change) and SNP 29 (-6)

    However, there is no change in how Scots would vote in a second independence referendum since the last Panelbase poll, with 43% for “yes” and 57% for “no”.

    That would see the SNP no longer holding the majority of the Scottish seats, which would take some wind out their sails.
    I will be surprised if the SNP manage 33% next time and expect Labour to reach 30%.
    Would you like a wager on that
    I don't bet but I do not recall your prediction of 21 SNP losses in 2017.
    LOL, I offer a bet and the snowflake Tory hurls an insult. You cretinous cowardly half-witted dullard , go F**** yourself
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,673

    Dura_Ace said:

    Can we all agree that the cliche "useful idiot" has been fucked to death? Nobody should use it until they have read and fully parsed Volkogonov's "Lenin:A New Biography" in order to properly understand its context.


    Words and phrases take on their own popular meaning, which can be completely at odds with its original purpose. 'Useful idiot' works very well in this circumstance.

    At least unlike Boris, he is a useful idiot.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,673
    kle4 said:

    Charles said:

    kle4 said:

    Since the plan, such as it exists, seems to not directly try for sitting MP defections, and if the leader of a new group were to be ex-tory or ex-labour it would immediately be seen as being just for that group, a complete political unknown might even be a better option to Front things, famous and charismatic but not obviously one or the other. God knows who fits the bill.
    .

    Eddie Izzard?
    'Not one or the other' . I think it is pretty clear Mr Izzard is a Labour man, even if only us anoraks knew prior to a week or so ago.
    Hmmmm, I thought he did not count himself to be a man, bit of gender bigotry there methinks
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