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  • While Trump, Russia, Syria etc, China quietly getting on with taking over the world,

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/10/china-eyes-tiny-pacific-island-nation-vanuatu-second-military/

    China looking to take over the Outer Hebrides - Headline shocker to come.
    We have to pay for those Pandas in Edinburgh Zoo somehow
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Nigelb said:

    What a load of utter bollocks.
    The privilege is not absolute if there is sufficient probable cause for a warrant.

    Don't forget this raid was signed off by the US Attorney appointed by Sessions (after an interview by Trump himself) who replaced the US Attorney fired by Trump - and a warrant would have to have been obtained from a federal or magistrate judge, in a jurisdiction not known for its liberal bias.
    MAGA - My Attorney Got Arrested :D
    "and a warrant would have to have been obtained from a federal or magistrate judge, in a jurisdiction" a Trump appointee, as it turns out.

    Privilege is a question of what evidence is used *for*, for example, if it could be used in a trial.

    As yet the FBI haven't *used* it for anything as far as I'm aware.
    It doesn't just have to be used at trial. If improperly obtained information leads to other information that otherwise could be used at trial then that later evidence can be ruled out as "fruit of the poisoned tree".

    Except that seems extraordinarily unlikely with there having been a warrant.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 15,547

    Second Referendum? "Final Say?
    we can be confident that a majority of Britons do indeed feel that the EU is behaving in a way that could be considered ‘bullying’ or ‘unfair’ when it comes to the Brexit negotiations. The finding is consistent no matter how you ask the question and across most sub-groups.

    Another way of saying Brexit isn't turning out well.

    The rationalisations are interesting:
    Nothing bad happens - Project Fear turned out a damp squib - we're better off out of the EU.
    Bad stuff happens - It's the fault of the bullying EU - we're better off out of the EU.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,761

    There is no risk of bringing the government down providing the new leader doesn't do anything stupid with respect to the DUP.

    Or is Boris Johnson.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,725


    we can be confident that a majority of Britons do indeed feel that the EU is behaving in a way that could be considered ‘bullying’ or ‘unfair’ when it comes to the Brexit negotiations. The finding is consistent no matter how you ask the question and across most sub-groups.

    How can that be when we hold all the cards?
    https://twitter.com/EmporersNewC/status/970341843425775619
    FAKE NEWS We dont hold all the cards or have the Ace Card
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789
    Barry Gardiner says Labour's Brexit policy is "bollocks".

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43710728
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    edited April 2018
    DavidL said:


    Agreed (about the good value). Anything odds against for a team with a 3 goal start and no away goal surely has to be generous. Barca rewrote the record books last year but historically this would be thought very, very unlikely for Man C to progress.

    Quick guesstimates: City to win by 4+ goals in regular time, 11.666666666%. Or a 3-0 then win in ET/penalties, 5%.

    Liverpool @1.2 looks about right :-)
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,401

    If there was a second referendum then two questions arise. What would the government's recommended position be? Would Theresa allow ministers to campaign against that recommended position? (If Theresa recommended staying in, then watching the Tory neo-Leavers turn on a sixpence would be a hoot.)

    She wouldn't recommend staying in - or if she did, she'd be No Confidenced.

    But it's all hypothetical: there won't be a second referendum.

    The interesting question politically is not what would happen if one is granted; it's what will the fallout be when one isn't.
    Why are you so sure May would lose a confidence vote? The ERG are not a majority of the Tory parliamentary party, and most of them wouldn't risk bringing down the government.

    May could deliver a similar speech to April 2016 and argue both sides.
    1. Because she's a useless campaigner and will need replacing at some point before 2022. That becomes extremely difficult to do if she has already received a renewed mandate from MPs earlier in the same parliament. My expectation is that once there's a VoNC called, she loses it.

    2. Because recommending staying in would be admitting that she was a useless negotiator, or

    3. Because it'd look like she'd been negotiating in bad faith and with a secret agenda to stay in.

    There is no risk of bringing the government down providing the new leader doesn't do anything stupid with respect to the DUP.
    "She'll need replacing at some point" is a very poor argument for why any Tory MP would decide that the time to do that is during the ratification process of the deal. You are not considering the optics which would be a gift to the Labour party. Bringing down a PM because she thought the people deserved the final say? It would be political suicide for the Tories.
    That wasn't the original premise. The scenario for this thread started off with May recommending Britain Remain in a second referendum. If she did that, she'd be replaced.

    But there's no way she'll back a second referendum either, which would undermine her negotiations and provide any number of hostages to fortune, as well as create havoc in her party (and other parties too). All she need do on that one, though, is let the clock run down.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,761


    we can be confident that a majority of Britons do indeed feel that the EU is behaving in a way that could be considered ‘bullying’ or ‘unfair’ when it comes to the Brexit negotiations. The finding is consistent no matter how you ask the question and across most sub-groups.

    How can that be when we hold all the cards?
    https://twitter.com/EmporersNewC/status/970341843425775619
    FAKE NEWS We dont hold all the cards or have the Ace Card
    Oh no, we obviously hold all the cards.

    Unfortunately the EU is playing Monopoly.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,785

    tlg86 said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    tyson said:

    I haven’t felt this nervous about a match since Chelsea in April 2014.

    Ugh on so many levels.

    At least I’ve bet on City to qualify tonight.

    It's been a weekus horribilis for us blues comrade......

    It couldn't turn around could it?
    Wait till Spurs thrash you on Saturday. After you are put out of the CL. That will be a week to remember.
    It would indeed. Quite possible too.

    The 1.2 on Liverpool to go through tonight looks like good value. Man City are choking.

    I'd be curious to know the odds if any bookies has them on the Premier League 2018/19 season.

    I don't think City will perform anywhere near as well as they did before Christmas this season. In fact I think they could be like Mourinho's final season at Chelsea when they went from runaway Champions to struggling to qualify for Europe.
    Betway:

    City - 8/11
    Liverpool - 9/2
    Man Utd - 6/1
    Chelsea - 12/1
    Tottenham - 12/1
    Arsenal - 25-1

    200-1 bar
    No West Ham?? :(
    Some random data.

    Title wins in an England World Cup year -
    Liv 4; Wolves, Arsenal, MC (Inc 18), Chelsea 2; Ipswich, Everton, Portsmouth 1; MU and everyone else 0

    Title wins in the following year -
    MU 5, Ars, Che, Ev 2; Liv, Wolves, Spurs 1

    Title wins in the preceding year -
    MU 6, Ars, Che 2; Ev, AV, Leeds, Pomp, Spurs 1; Liverpool and others 0

    Pin sticking suggests that in a non tournament year MU are heavily favoured over Liverpool.

  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    William_H said:

    Wow, they're pissed he criticised the killing of unarmed protestors
    Bollocks. The Israelis are pissed off with the festering stench of Jew hate racism coming from parts of the Labour Party
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789

    If there was a second referendum then two questions arise. What would the government's recommended position be? Would Theresa allow ministers to campaign against that recommended position? (If Theresa recommended staying in, then watching the Tory neo-Leavers turn on a sixpence would be a hoot.)

    She wouldn't recommend staying in - or if she did, she'd be No Confidenced.

    But it's all hypothetical: there won't be a second referendum.

    The interesting question politically is not what would happen if one is granted; it's what will the fallout be when one isn't.
    Why are you so sure May would lose a confidence vote? The ERG are not a majority of the Tory parliamentary party, and most of them wouldn't risk bringing down the government.

    May could deliver a similar speech to April 2016 and argue both sides.
    1. Because she's a useless campaigner and will need replacing at some point before 2022. That becomes extremely difficult to do if she has already received a renewed mandate from MPs earlier in the same parliament. My expectation is that once there's a VoNC called, she loses it.

    2. Because recommending staying in would be admitting that she was a useless negotiator, or

    3. Because it'd look like she'd been negotiating in bad faith and with a secret agenda to stay in.

    There is no risk of bringing the government down providing the new leader doesn't do anything stupid with respect to the DUP.
    "She'll need replacing at some point" is a very poor argument for why any Tory MP would decide that the time to do that is during the ratification process of the deal. You are not considering the optics which would be a gift to the Labour party. Bringing down a PM because she thought the people deserved the final say? It would be political suicide for the Tories.
    That wasn't the original premise. The scenario for this thread started off with May recommending Britain Remain in a second referendum. If she did that, she'd be replaced.

    But there's no way she'll back a second referendum either, which would undermine her negotiations and provide any number of hostages to fortune, as well as create havoc in her party (and other parties too). All she need do on that one, though, is let the clock run down.
    My suggestion was that she could rise above it and give a speech arguing both sides. It wouldn't undermine her negotiations since she's always been consistent that Brexit would not have been her choice but was the will of the people. It would be entirely consistent to ask people whether it is still their will.
  • Rexel56Rexel56 Posts: 807
    Andrew said:

    DavidL said:


    Agreed (about the good value). Anything odds against for a team with a 3 goal start and no away goal surely has to be generous. Barca rewrote the record books last year but historically this would be thought very, very unlikely for Man C to progress.

    Quick guesstimates: City to win by 4+ goals in regular time, 11.666666666%. Or a 3-0 then win in ET/penalties, 5%.

    Liverpool @1.2 looks about right :-)
    fivethirtyeight.com have Liverpool at 94% to make the semi-finals and 16% to win it.

    Liverpool up to sixth in global soccer rankings, a tenth of a point behind PSG. City fourth... Spurs seventh and United et al nowhere to be seen...

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/global-club-soccer-rankings/
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    edited April 2018

    Barry Gardiner says Labour's Brexit policy is "bollocks".

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43710728

    Omit 'brexit policy and he's spot on .
  • Barry Gardiner says Labour's Brexit policy is "bollocks".

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43710728

    I think you mean Roger Mellie.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,043
    For those who follow RedRoar, which has the odd bit of Labour and Left news and rumour of interest:

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/983685059378065408
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,761
    felix said:

    Barry Gardiner says Labour's Brexit policy is "bollocks".

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43710728

    Omit 'brexit policy and he's spot on .
    Just 'Brexit' would do, actually.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 15,547
    ydoethur said:


    we can be confident that a majority of Britons do indeed feel that the EU is behaving in a way that could be considered ‘bullying’ or ‘unfair’ when it comes to the Brexit negotiations. The finding is consistent no matter how you ask the question and across most sub-groups.

    How can that be when we hold all the cards?
    https://twitter.com/EmporersNewC/status/970341843425775619
    FAKE NEWS We dont hold all the cards or have the Ace Card
    Oh no, we obviously hold all the cards.

    Unfortunately the EU is playing Monopoly.
    That's a good way of putting it. And the other 27 players have pooled all their properties.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Jon Sopel - @BBCJonSopel: The US Defence Secretary, James Mattis, has also cancelled his travel plans this weekend so that he can be in DC. Suggests it's going to be a busy weekend #Syria
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,774
    Nigelb said:
    That article is a must read.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,761

    Barry Gardiner says Labour's Brexit policy is "bollocks".

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43710728

    But it doesn't look as if he's going to be sacked. Labour leader's office saying Gardiner 'fully supports' Labour's policy, which he obviously doesn't. His position is identical to Owen Smith's so far as I can see.

    One rule for Corbynistas and another for sane Labour MPs others?
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    So there is a plurality who oppose the public being given a fibal.vote on the deal but a plurality want the public to get the final say.

    The public will of course get the final say at the next general election anyway when they can vote Labour, LD, UKIP etc if they oppose the final deal the government has agreed with the EU. What is clear from this poll is there is no appetite for a second EU referendum

    A lot of us didn't have any appetite for the first bloody one.
    The Tories won a majority in 2015 though on a promise to hold the first EU referendum
    Doesn't mean I had to enjoy it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,761
    Jane Aitchison picked as candidate for Pudsey:

    https://labourlist.org/2018/04/jane-aitchison-picked-to-fight-ultra-marginal-pudsey-for-labour/

    This Jane Aitchison:

    https://www.theredroar.com/2018/03/swp-links-and-foul-mouthed-twitter-tirades-derail-frontrunners-bid-for-top-labour-target-seat-of-pudsey/

    Doesn't look hopeful for their chances of taking Pudsey. She seems like a slightly abler and even more unpleasant and hypocritical version of Jared O'Mara and Stuart Andrew is no Nick Clegg.
  • William_HWilliam_H Posts: 346

    William_H said:

    Wow, they're pissed he criticised the killing of unarmed protestors
    Bollocks. The Israelis are pissed off with the festering stench of Jew hate racism coming from parts of the Labour Party
    Codswallop. Read what they wrote - Corbyn's criticism of Israeli government policy is explicitly cited
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,761
    William_H said:

    William_H said:

    Wow, they're pissed he criticised the killing of unarmed protestors
    Bollocks. The Israelis are pissed off with the festering stench of Jew hate racism coming from parts of the Labour Party
    Codswallop. Read what they wrote - Corbyn's criticism of Israeli government policy is explicitly cited
    Yes, but as a secondary consideration ('in addition to').If that was the reason they would have severed relations two and a half years ago.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,922

    Mr. Herdson, not so sure I agree.

    Putin's had the Winter Olympics *and* took F1 to Russia. He appears to care about global sporting events as an indicator of national prestige.

    Yes Putin cares but a boycott is a double-edged sword. The more teams stay away, the better Russia's chances of actually winning the thing. Look at the 1980 and 1984 Olympics. Ask Seb Coe if his gold medals don't count because some opponents never started. Ask Ronald Reagan if America winning everything in 1984 (when the Soviets boycotted the games) harmed or guaranteed his reelection. (USA 80 gold medals; next best was Romania's 20).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_Summer_Olympics#Medal_count
    Tuesday afternoon pop quiz: Which were the only two nations to boycott both 1980 and 1984 Olympics?
    No takers?

    OK, it was actually Albania and Iran.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,725
    TM is "not invited"
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,761

    Mr. Herdson, not so sure I agree.

    Putin's had the Winter Olympics *and* took F1 to Russia. He appears to care about global sporting events as an indicator of national prestige.

    Yes Putin cares but a boycott is a double-edged sword. The more teams stay away, the better Russia's chances of actually winning the thing. Look at the 1980 and 1984 Olympics. Ask Seb Coe if his gold medals don't count because some opponents never started. Ask Ronald Reagan if America winning everything in 1984 (when the Soviets boycotted the games) harmed or guaranteed his reelection. (USA 80 gold medals; next best was Romania's 20).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_Summer_Olympics#Medal_count
    Tuesday afternoon pop quiz: Which were the only two nations to boycott both 1980 and 1984 Olympics?
    No takers?

    OK, it was actually Albania and Iran.
    Although it was said of Alan Wells that Iran very fast that year.
  • William_HWilliam_H Posts: 346
    ydoethur said:

    William_H said:

    William_H said:

    Wow, they're pissed he criticised the killing of unarmed protestors
    Bollocks. The Israelis are pissed off with the festering stench of Jew hate racism coming from parts of the Labour Party
    Codswallop. Read what they wrote - Corbyn's criticism of Israeli government policy is explicitly cited
    Yes, but as a secondary consideration ('in addition to').If that was the reason they would have severed relations two and a half years ago.
    Corbyn has issued strong condemnations of the killing of unarmed protestors and calls to stop selling weapons in the past week.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,761
    William_H said:

    ydoethur said:

    William_H said:

    William_H said:

    Wow, they're pissed he criticised the killing of unarmed protestors
    Bollocks. The Israelis are pissed off with the festering stench of Jew hate racism coming from parts of the Labour Party
    Codswallop. Read what they wrote - Corbyn's criticism of Israeli government policy is explicitly cited
    Yes, but as a secondary consideration ('in addition to').If that was the reason they would have severed relations two and a half years ago.
    Corbyn has issued strong condemnations of the killing of unarmed protestors and calls to stop selling weapons in the past week.
    He was similarly strong on Syria and Venezuela and the murder of unarmed civilians by criminal juntas there.

    Oh, no he wasn't, was he? There he condemned violence by all sides. Because there it was his friends carrying out massacres.

    I am no starry-eyed fan of Israel but Corbyn has blatant double standards. High time he was called out on it.
  • TM is "not invited"

    Neither is Trump, Obama or anyone political
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,043
    ydoethur said:

    Jane Aitchison picked as candidate for Pudsey:

    https://labourlist.org/2018/04/jane-aitchison-picked-to-fight-ultra-marginal-pudsey-for-labour/

    This Jane Aitchison:

    https://www.theredroar.com/2018/03/swp-links-and-foul-mouthed-twitter-tirades-derail-frontrunners-bid-for-top-labour-target-seat-of-pudsey/

    Doesn't look hopeful for their chances of taking Pudsey. She seems like a slightly abler and even more unpleasant and hypocritical version of Jared O'Mara and Stuart Andrew is no Nick Clegg.

    I see Williamson was straight in with congrats.

    Tells you all you need to know.
  • William_HWilliam_H Posts: 346
    ydoethur said:

    William_H said:

    ydoethur said:

    William_H said:

    William_H said:

    Wow, they're pissed he criticised the killing of unarmed protestors
    Bollocks. The Israelis are pissed off with the festering stench of Jew hate racism coming from parts of the Labour Party
    Codswallop. Read what they wrote - Corbyn's criticism of Israeli government policy is explicitly cited
    Yes, but as a secondary consideration ('in addition to').If that was the reason they would have severed relations two and a half years ago.
    Corbyn has issued strong condemnations of the killing of unarmed protestors and calls to stop selling weapons in the past week.
    He was similarly strong on Syria and Venezuela and the murder of unarmed civilians by criminal juntas there.

    Oh, no he wasn't, was he? There he condemned violence by all sides. Because there it was his friends carrying out massacres.

    I am no starry-eyed fan of Israel but Corbyn has blatant double standards. High time he was called out on it.
    He's been similarly strong on the killing of civilians by the Saudi government.

    But I forget that the deaths of arabs only matters when it serves to justify killing other arabs.
  • Scott_P said:
    Trump is a disaster but watching everyone hanging onto every word Bill Clinton spoke today on the GFA, in view of his activities in the Oval Office, is pathetic
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    (((Dan Hodges))) - @DPJHodges: Some people ask what I would regard as action. If Labour is serious about zero tolerance: Livingstone out. Williamson out. Chakrabarti peerage removed, (or whip withdrawn)...

    (((Dan Hodges))) - @DPJHodges: ...NEC elections re-run, (those shown to have blocked action don’t stand again), Corbyn suspended whilst full investigation of Mural, Facebook pages and all other issues.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,776
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:
    That article is a must read.
    Not sure it is clear from the article why it is Cohen that has the problem.

    One possibility might be that he has made an undeclared election expense in buying off Stormy Daniels. In the context of US elections which cost tens of millions that doesn't seem very exciting. If he is telling the truth he paid it himself then it is not clear anyone from the campaign can even be proven to know about it.

    The alternative is that he is guilty of a fraudulent conspiracy to conceal a crime. The thing is that sleeping with Daniels is not obviously a crime.

    I feel I must be missing something here. This is an extraordinary step to take and there must surely be more to it than is apparent so far.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,761
    edited April 2018
    William_H said:

    ydoethur said:

    William_H said:


    Corbyn has issued strong condemnations of the killing of unarmed protestors and calls to stop selling weapons in the past week.

    He was similarly strong on Syria and Venezuela and the murder of unarmed civilians by criminal juntas there.

    Oh, no he wasn't, was he? There he condemned violence by all sides. Because there it was his friends carrying out massacres.

    I am no starry-eyed fan of Israel but Corbyn has blatant double standards. High time he was called out on it.
    He's been similarly strong on the killing of civilians by the Saudi government.

    But I forget that the deaths of arabs only matters when it serves to justify killing other arabs.
    When last I checked Venezuelans were South Americans not Arabs. Has that changed somehow? Must have been a pretty dramatic event.

    I also tried to add, but I was outside the time limit, that some at least of these 'unarmed civilians' Corbyn has condemned the killing of have been admitted by Hamas to be armed militants. Which rather blasts his claim that they were peaceful protestors out of the water.

    That wouldn't make any difference to Corbyn. Like a good school bully socialist he cares his friends should be allowed to shoot whomever they wish and nobody should shoot back at them. But if you open your eyes and look with cold logic on his career you will see he picks and chooses his causes and will support his friends and castigate his enemies - no mater what the circumstances. He does not care about collateral damage, only the moral high ground. Ironically, the former means he forfeits the latter.

    He may be a nice person to talk to. But he is not a nice person politically and nor are rather too many of his supporters (your post with its unpleasant and wilfully dishonest insinuations shows exactly what sort of person you are, I am afraid, and as for Wisemann or daodao...)

    There is a legitimate argument to be had about Israel, its occupation of the West Bank, its blockade of Gaza, its treatment of Arabs in Israel itself and its ruthlessness in attacking its neighbours militarily and by stealth. I've had discussions on those lines before, including in Israel itself which didn't make me terribly popular.

    But Corbyn doesn't do that. He condemns it every time he can and then wonders why he is accused of antisemitism.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,387

    TM is "not invited"

    Neither is Trump, Obama or anyone political
    Good call I think.

    Anyone would be controversial in this context.
  • ydoethur said:

    William_H said:

    ydoethur said:

    William_H said:


    Corbyn has issued strong condemnations of the killing of unarmed protestors and calls to stop selling weapons in the past week.

    He was similarly strong on Syria and Venezuela and the murder of unarmed civilians by criminal juntas there.

    Oh, no he wasn't, was he? There he condemned violence by all sides. Because there it was his friends carrying out massacres.

    I am no starry-eyed fan of Israel but Corbyn has blatant double standards. High time he was called out on it.
    He's been similarly strong on the killing of civilians by the Saudi government.

    But I forget that the deaths of arabs only matters when it serves to justify killing other arabs.
    When last I checked Venezuelans were South Americans not Arabs. Has that changed somehow? Must have been a pretty dramatic event.

    I also tried to add, but I was outside the time limit, that some at least of these 'unarmed civilians' Corbyn has condemned the killing of have been admitted by Hamas to be armed militants. Which rather blasts his claim that they were peaceful protestors out of the water.

    That wouldn't make any difference to Corbyn. Like a good school bully socialist he cares his friends should be allowed to shoot whomever they wish and nobody should shoot back at them. But if you open your eyes and look with cold logic on his career you will see he picks and chooses his causes and will support his friends and castigate his enemies - no mater what the circumstances. He does not care about collateral damage, only the moral high ground. Ironically, the former means he forfeits the latter.

    He may be a nice person to talk to. But he is not a nice person politically and nor are rather too many of his supporters (your post with its unpleasant and wilfully dishonest insinuations shows exactly what sort of person you are, I am afraid, and as for Wisemann or daodao...)

    There is a legitimate argument to be had about Israel, its occupation of the West Bank, its blockade of Gaza, its treatment of Arabs in Israel itself and its ruthlessness in attacking its neighbours militarily and by stealth. I've had discussions on those lines before, including in Israel itself which didn't make me terribly popular.

    But Corbyn doesn't do that. He condemns it every time he can and then wonders why he is accused of antisemitism.
    +1
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    edited April 2018
    DavidL said:


    One possibility might be that he has made an undeclared election expense in buying off Stormy Daniels.

    Supposedly soon after Cohen paid La Stormy 130k, Trump billed the Trump campaign 130.8k. Quite a coincidence:

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/02/michael-cohen-stormy-daniels-usd130-000-rent-payments-does-it-add-up.html
  • Looks like the press are getting upset because Theresa will not consult them
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,043
    Scott_P said:

    (((Dan Hodges))) - @DPJHodges: Some people ask what I would regard as action. If Labour is serious about zero tolerance: Livingstone out. Williamson out. Chakrabarti peerage removed, (or whip withdrawn)...

    (((Dan Hodges))) - @DPJHodges: ...NEC elections re-run, (those shown to have blocked action don’t stand again), Corbyn suspended whilst full investigation of Mural, Facebook pages and all other issues.

    There is more chance of me winning the Grand National on Shergar than this little list.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    Some loon on Twitter is claiming that 'the Chinese Navy in the Med' will 'stand with Russia'......anyone spot the flaw?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712
    The story that Jeremy Corbyn had his application to be a trainee social worker in 1969 turned down by Camden Council has shade of John Major's being turned down in his application to be a bus conductor

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/the-londoner-rose-mcgowan-backs-joe-corr-s-antigreed-show-a3810296.html
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789
    edited April 2018
  • prh47bridgeprh47bridge Posts: 441
    DavidL said:



    The biggest problem for the bar is that as sole practitioners keeping the records required in the event of audit is going to be a total nightmare. We can no longer presume that a solicitor who sends us instructions has the authority of the client to do so so the client will need to give express, written authorisation each time and authorise us to pass the information to other relevant parties. There is almost no end of cases where this is going to be extremely problematic.

    As you point out the stupidity and ignorance of those who write this stuff means major issues and costs for SMEs. The big boys are pleased because barriers to entry are increased. The rest, including our economy, suffers with pointless idiotic paperwork (he says impartially).

    Coming to this late, but surely the examples you cite are covered under legitimate interests, contract or protecting the data subject's vital interests and therefore do not need the data subject's consent?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,774

    Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize early on in his first term.

    Is it time for Trump to get the Nobel Peace Prize?

    US stockmarket likes the Trump style and rises 2% shortly after Tuesday opening.
    That's because China is offering the carrot as well as the stick in the putative trade war. They've basically said they'll lower their automobile tariff, reduce barriers on foreign investment in China, and that they will stimulate domestic demand to lower their trade surplus.

    (At the same time, they've also shown their stick: tariffs on US commercial aircraft among other things and a the merest hint that they might go slow with their US Treasury purchases.)
  • volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078

    Scott_P said:

    (((Dan Hodges))) - @DPJHodges: Some people ask what I would regard as action. If Labour is serious about zero tolerance: Livingstone out. Williamson out. Chakrabarti peerage removed, (or whip withdrawn)...

    (((Dan Hodges))) - @DPJHodges: ...NEC elections re-run, (those shown to have blocked action don’t stand again), Corbyn suspended whilst full investigation of Mural, Facebook pages and all other issues.

    There is more chance of me winning the Grand National on Shergar than this little list.
    very reductionist and impossiblist.Dan is ,therefore,a very poor predictor of human behaviour and a very bad tipster to follow.
  • volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    In defence of Barry Gardner,as a philosopher and so a man of ideas,he was using the word "b...cks" purely in its' biblical meaning as discussed by scholars,witches and Vikings at the time.He was not referring to the specific meaning of mens' genitalia.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274

    For those who follow RedRoar, which has the odd bit of Labour and Left news and rumour of interest:

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/983685059378065408

    Kinder gentler politics....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    Andrew said:

    DavidL said:


    One possibility might be that he has made an undeclared election expense in buying off Stormy Daniels.

    Supposedly soon after Cohen paid La Stormy 130k, Trump billed the Trump campaign 130.8k. Quite a coincidence:

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/02/michael-cohen-stormy-daniels-usd130-000-rent-payments-does-it-add-up.html
    You’d have thought the value of the regular payments would be worth mentioning in the article.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Scott_P said:

    (((Dan Hodges))) - @DPJHodges: Some people ask what I would regard as action. If Labour is serious about zero tolerance: Livingstone out. Williamson out. Chakrabarti peerage removed, (or whip withdrawn)...

    (((Dan Hodges))) - @DPJHodges: ...NEC elections re-run, (those shown to have blocked action don’t stand again), Corbyn suspended whilst full investigation of Mural, Facebook pages and all other issues.

    There is more chance of me winning the Grand National on Shergar than this little list.
    very reductionist and impossiblist.Dan is ,therefore,a very poor predictor of human behaviour and a very bad tipster to follow.
    Garbage. He's not making a tip he is saying what action would be.

    He knows that the party of Ken Livingstone and Nick Griffin isn't going to take this action so it's up to those on the so called moderate left to decide if they want to continue to be with an openly antisemitic racist party that Nick Griffin is OK with or not.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Scott_P said:

    (((Dan Hodges))) - @DPJHodges: Some people ask what I would regard as action. If Labour is serious about zero tolerance: Livingstone out. Williamson out. Chakrabarti peerage removed, (or whip withdrawn)...

    (((Dan Hodges))) - @DPJHodges: ...NEC elections re-run, (those shown to have blocked action don’t stand again), Corbyn suspended whilst full investigation of Mural, Facebook pages and all other issues.

    There is more chance of me winning the Grand National on Shergar than this little list.
    very reductionist and impossiblist.Dan is ,therefore,a very poor predictor of human behaviour and a very bad tipster to follow.
    Garbage. He's not making a tip he is saying what action would be.

    He knows that the party of Ken Livingstone and Nick Griffin isn't going to take this action so it's up to those on the so called moderate left to decide if they want to continue to be with an openly antisemitic racist party that Nick Griffin is OK with or not.
    Dan Hodges wants Corbyn to suspend himself and remove a peerage. Sure.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Call me reckless, but anyone who placed a longshot bet on Mark Zuckerberg winning the presidency in 2020 is probably not going to see too much in the way of return from it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274

    Call me reckless, but anyone who placed a longshot bet on Mark Zuckerberg winning the presidency in 2020 is probably not going to see too much in the way of return from it.

    He is done forever not just 2020.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,530
    Off topic:

    I think we've just discovered the dumbest criminal of 2018:

    Suspect who swatted a man who was later killed by the police, threatens to swat someone else from jail.

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/04/your-ass-is-about-to-get-swatted-swatting-suspect-tweets-from-jail/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited April 2018

    Off topic:

    I think we've just discovered the dumbest criminal of 2018:

    Suspect who swatted a man who was later killed by the police, threatens to swat someone else from jail.

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/04/your-ass-is-about-to-get-swatted-swatting-suspect-tweets-from-jail/

    The drug dealing couple who supposedly earned £10k a year from their day job but posted all their trips abroad and expensive purchases on social media weren't exactly the sharpest tools in the box...But then they also flew BA economy to the far flung locations so we shouldn't really be surprised.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,725
    The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons has accept Russia & Syria's request to come and visit the Chemical Weapons Attack Site, in Syria, so that they can conduct investigations. Good news for those who want this investigated.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Scott_P said:

    (((Dan Hodges))) - @DPJHodges: Some people ask what I would regard as action. If Labour is serious about zero tolerance: Livingstone out. Williamson out. Chakrabarti peerage removed, (or whip withdrawn)...

    A peerage may only be "removed" by Act of Parliament" normally on account of acts of treason. The Titles Deprivation Act of 1917 being a case in point whereby King George V German relatives were stripped of their British royal status and peerages.

    In addition the Irish peer, the 12th Viscount Taafe, was deprived of his title as he remained loyal to the Austrian Emperor as his forebears had been loyal to the Holy Roman Empire previously.

  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,922
    Just seen the Labour party political on housing. It's seriously good, all the way until the point at which it names Corbyn.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,530

    The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons has accept Russia & Syria's request to come and visit the Chemical Weapons Attack Site, in Syria, so that they can conduct investigations. Good news for those who want this investigated.

    Do you trust Russia and Syria?
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,922

    The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons has accept Russia & Syria's request to come and visit the Chemical Weapons Attack Site, in Syria, so that they can conduct investigations. Good news for those who want this investigated.

    Do you trust Russia and Syria?
    All reminds me of that song by Shaggy. 'But she caught it on camera ... it wasn't me'
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,625

    Call me reckless, but anyone who placed a longshot bet on Mark Zuckerberg winning the presidency in 2020 is probably not going to see too much in the way of return from it.

    He is done forever not just 2020.
    Surely all he has to do is spend a few million dollars on targeted ads (written is Russian sounding English) on Facebook and he will be able to steal the election from the Anointed One?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Some Facebook employees are reportedly quitting or asking to switch departments over ethical concerns

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/facebook-employees-quitting-whatsapp-instagram-cambridge-analytica-report-2018-4?r=US&IR=T
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    New Thread.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    I spent the weekend visiting my 20 year old daughter in Groningen in Holland where she is having an Erasmus year. It was delightful. What surprised me was that she volunteered that having studied EU law in some detail from a continental perspective, having been taught how it is made and what its objectives are she would now vote Leave. She voted remain at the time of the referendum and really had very little time for her dad's views (nothing wrong in that of course). Her view was that if people knew more about it they would like it less.

    Of course this is a classic PB anecdote and I don't doubt that many others could tell stories of fervent leavers who have now changed their mind. What I think is fairly clear is that there has been very little change in the overall position as found in both the referendum and the election where 43% voted for a party completely committed to delivering Brexit (even if they were seriously unclear as to how) and 41% to a party at least notionally committed to respecting the vote, even if many of the members were unhappy about it. 7% voted for a party wanting a second referendum. Its just not going to happen.

    Remainers really need

    But then, MRDA doesn't it?

    Your daughter is a wise woman.
    Though in practice, under @DavidL's scenario, we will be tied into EU Law in many aspects because of Pseudo CU and SM, while no longer having a say via Commission or EP in drafting those laws.
    In goods, yes, but the Government is going for more detachment on services.
    In goods and agriculture most likely. Services could be excluded from EU law if the FTA didnot include them.

    In practice a FTA with regulatory alignment in goods and agriculture would be quite good at keeping out substandard US foodstuffs, so a major plus. It would rather stand in the way of other Trade deals, but as those are mostly a fiction then little to worry about.

    Services being outside an FTA would of course exclude them from EU regulations, though the price of that is exclusion of our major exports from a major market.
    We have a higher penetration of the US services market without an FTA than we do if the EU one
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