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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,960

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think it would require the sea to come in 50km in Australia. The cities of Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth, Adelaide , Cairns and Darwin are all on the coast. Only Canberra (1.8% of Australia's population) is meaningfully inland.

    Interesting that you name the big coastal cities but miss Gold Coast, which is Australia's sicth biggest city and where the Commonwelath Games are currently being hosted.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Australia_by_population

    I wonder if there is a comparable place in the Anglo world which has 'sneaked up' without entering general public knowledge.
    Wow. It really has grown.

    In Canada, Vancouver has been a real grower (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Vancouver#Population_growth), and - of course - there are the cities of the sunbelt (Las Vegas, Phoenix, Raleigh)).
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    As expected Zuckerberg had a pretty easy time in front of the US Congress. He probably knows he'd have got a much rougher ride in the UK which is precisely why he isn't coming over here.
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,994

    RoyalBlue said:

    When I saw this, I assumed the clothes had been photoshopped. What on Earth has happened to the FCO?

    I can think of two major problems:

    1) being involved in the conception and execution of British foreign policy is less interesting in 2018 than at any time since the mid-18th century.

    2) the draw of the City.

    This only reaffirms my belief that after Brexit, the upper ranks of the FCO should have been decimated. New strategies require new management.
    Perhaps we need a British ENA?
    The unapologetically meritocratic and rigorous selection process (3% success rate) is completely incompatible with contemporary British culture.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2018
    Is the Gold Coast a real city in terms of having a central business district, etc? There's also the Sunshine Coast in the list I see. I wonder why they didn't come up with the more usual type of names for these places.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,067
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think it would require the sea to come in 50km in Australia. The cities of Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth, Adelaide , Cairns and Darwin are all on the coast. Only Canberra (1.8% of Australia's population) is meaningfully inland.

    Interesting that you name the big coastal cities but miss Gold Coast, which is Australia's sicth biggest city and where the Commonwelath Games are currently being hosted.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Australia_by_population

    I wonder if there is a comparable place in the Anglo world which has 'sneaked up' without entering general public knowledge.
    Wow. It really has grown.

    In Canada, Vancouver has been a real grower (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Vancouver#Population_growth), and - of course - there are the cities of the sunbelt (Las Vegas, Phoenix, Raleigh)).
    Vancouver has been the big Canadian Pacific coast city since the 19th century likewise many of the US sunbelt cities will be the 'natural' state capital.

    Whereas Gold Coast was until recently nothing more than a holiday resort for Brisbane.
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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Y0kel said:

    Floater said:

    Y0kel said:

    There are stories of a lot of flying metal on the Syrian-Jordanian and Syrian-Iraqi border. Unconfirmed.

    It is fair to say that stories of overflight agreements mentioned both Iraq and Jordan so its feasible.

    You think its going down tonight?
    If you looked to the Med, the US have limited assets at this point. Lots of cruise missiles but nothing else unless its coming from long range, but then everyone including the Russians have been looking that way. Look at every other direction and you have notable US combat power. Thus assets are in place to act, but they need fly over permissions.

    It also has to be borne in mind that the US has its own people in Eastern Syria so it could equally be a show of force there. They fly there day in and day out.

    Only when he hear explosions or indeed when we get an indication of how much metal is up there can we really know whether this is the beginning of an actual strike.
    Just to follow up my second paragraph above. It appears US backed militias have been shuttled around Eastern Syria this evening.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,955

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think it would require the sea to come in 50km in Australia. The cities of Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth, Adelaide , Cairns and Darwin are all on the coast. Only Canberra (1.8% of Australia's population) is meaningfully inland.

    Interesting that you name the big coastal cities but miss Gold Coast, which is Australia's sicth biggest city and where the Commonwelath Games are currently being hosted.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Australia_by_population

    I wonder if there is a comparable place in the Anglo world which has 'sneaked up' without entering general public knowledge.
    Wow. It really has grown.

    In Canada, Vancouver has been a real grower (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Vancouver#Population_growth), and - of course - there are the cities of the sunbelt (Las Vegas, Phoenix, Raleigh)).
    Vancouver has been the big Canadian Pacific coast city since the 19th century likewise many of the US sunbelt cities will be the 'natural' state capital.

    Whereas Gold Coast was until recently nothing more than a holiday resort for Brisbane.
    For shame! Vancouver is not a Capital. That would be Victoria, my old home town.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,960
    dixiedean said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think it would require the sea to come in 50km in Australia. The cities of Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth, Adelaide , Cairns and Darwin are all on the coast. Only Canberra (1.8% of Australia's population) is meaningfully inland.

    Interesting that you name the big coastal cities but miss Gold Coast, which is Australia's sicth biggest city and where the Commonwelath Games are currently being hosted.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Australia_by_population

    I wonder if there is a comparable place in the Anglo world which has 'sneaked up' without entering general public knowledge.
    Wow. It really has grown.

    In Canada, Vancouver has been a real grower (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Vancouver#Population_growth), and - of course - there are the cities of the sunbelt (Las Vegas, Phoenix, Raleigh)).
    Vancouver has been the big Canadian Pacific coast city since the 19th century likewise many of the US sunbelt cities will be the 'natural' state capital.

    Whereas Gold Coast was until recently nothing more than a holiday resort for Brisbane.
    For shame! Vancouver is not a Capital. That would be Victoria, my old home town.
    I love Victoria! I used to have a client there, and it was a great place to visit. (Especially the seaplane ride)
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    AndyJS said:

    As expected Zuckerberg had a pretty easy time in front of the US Congress. He probably knows he'd have got a much rougher ride in the UK which is precisely why he isn't coming over here.

    Surely our MPs are just as ill-informed as the Americans but without the research staff?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,884
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,884
    AndyJS said:

    As expected Zuckerberg had a pretty easy time in front of the US Congress. He probably knows he'd have got a much rougher ride in the UK which is precisely why he isn't coming over here.

    Which was of course to be expected, given that he’d paid most of them off beforehand.
    https://tech.slashdot.org/story/18/04/07/2326242/facebook-donated-to-46-of-55-members-on-committee-that-will-question-zuckerberg
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,960
    Sandpit said:

    AndyJS said:

    As expected Zuckerberg had a pretty easy time in front of the US Congress. He probably knows he'd have got a much rougher ride in the UK which is precisely why he isn't coming over here.

    Which was of course to be expected, given that he’d paid most of them off beforehand.
    https://tech.slashdot.org/story/18/04/07/2326242/facebook-donated-to-46-of-55-members-on-committee-that-will-question-zuckerberg
    Sensible man, that Zuckerberg.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189

    AndyJS said:

    As expected Zuckerberg had a pretty easy time in front of the US Congress. He probably knows he'd have got a much rougher ride in the UK which is precisely why he isn't coming over here.

    Surely our MPs are just as ill-informed as the Americans but without the research staff?
    Our MPs do have research staff.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,979
    One for BJO:

    "The US proposal called for an independent investigation into claims that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's regime carried out the suspected chemical attack on the rebel-held town of Douma, in the Eastern Ghouta region.

    ...

    Russia vetoed the US-drafted resolution and China abstained. A counter-measure proposed by Moscow also failed to garner enough support."

    The differences between the proposals? Russia want to appoint the members of the inquiry, and want it not to apportion blame - which will be left to the Security Council (which Russia is on, so in fact you'll never get the answer you want). In addition, the Russian proposal has been about for some months.

    Wanting to wait for the results of investigations is all good and well. However it's clear that the Russians do not want an independent investigation, so all you will get is a Russian-led investigation and an utter whitewash.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,263
    edited April 2018
    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Brighton and St Ives are examples of seaside towns which have really reinvented themselves successfully as homes for chic bohemian artists with museums and galleries and excellent restaurants and in the case of Brighton nightlife which attracts former Londoners.

    Blackpool and Hastings though and many other such towns have failed to really move beyond their dependence on the pier and summer tourism season, a market which has declined rapidly as flights to Spain etc have become the norm.

    Theatre and arts and food are certainly one way to help revive them, Southend for example has the excellent Cliffs Pavilion Theatre and Padstow is renowned for its Rick Stein restaurant.
    Even Blackpool could become a mini UK Vegas if it was allowed the Supercasinos it really needs to attract punters which it could combine with shows in the Ballroom

    Can't speak for Hastings, etc., but Blackpool has an image problem. Tried for too long to be all things to all people...
    Has a seriously impressive rollercoaster park, aquarium, and of course the Tower, and in particular the Ballroom, which is exquisite. Also has decent venues for comedy and musicals, plus the Illuminations.
    BUT. Has far too many chip shops, strip clubs and tat shops. Too much bargain basement accomodation.
    Needs to specialise on a few quality things to attract day visitors/weekenders, rather than pretend you can spend a week there happily.
    The first time I went to Blackpool, I remember having to complain that there was no bed in my hotel room, only for the owner to come up show me how to pull the lever so that it appeared, already made up, from out of the wardrobe. I slept gingerly to avoid triggering the mechanism that sprung it back upright. I also managed to get two parking tickets in the first day.

    Blackpool was of course to have been the location for the first of Labour's super-casinos. Las Vegas without the desert (except of culture).

    On topic, there is an investment programme for coastal towns, and I believe the coastal fund was recently given new funding?

    http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20110118174835/http://www.cabe.org.uk/files/shifting-sands.pdf

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    RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    Sean_F said:

    An odd feature of the last election was the way Labour did remarkably well on the South ( but not the East) Coast. South Coast UKIP voters from 2015 switched Labour. East Coast UKIP voters switched Conservative.

    Spend an afternoon in Hastings and it will make perfect sense. Knowing the south coast well I wasn't remotely surprised that Brexit got a lot of support there. If you have nothing to lose why the heck not?
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,594
    AndyJS said:

    Is the Gold Coast a real city in terms of having a central business district, etc? There's also the Sunshine Coast in the list I see. I wonder why they didn't come up with the more usual type of names for these places.

    Even 3O years ago the Gold Coast was quite a big town. I had a cousin who moved there in the Sixties when it was a quiet fishing town, then an Australian Benidorm sprung up around him, with high rise hotels and a nightclub on every corner. It is the only place really like it in Australasia. Not worth visiting as a foreigner, but liked by locals for a party town.
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    MetatronMetatron Posts: 193
    2 possibilities :legalise drugs and give nowhere seaside towns a vested interest in it the way that LA is doing following California legalising Cannabis.This has also led to a reduction in gang related drug violence in LA.
    If following Brexit it becomes much more difficult to travel to the likes of Prague and Riga for stag nights then there is an opportunity for British towns to fill the gap.One will need relatively cheap decent accomadation though which is lacking in many left behind areas
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,067
    dixiedean said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think it would require the sea to come in 50km in Australia. The cities of Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth, Adelaide , Cairns and Darwin are all on the coast. Only Canberra (1.8% of Australia's population) is meaningfully inland.

    Interesting that you name the big coastal cities but miss Gold Coast, which is Australia's sicth biggest city and where the Commonwelath Games are currently being hosted.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Australia_by_population

    I wonder if there is a comparable place in the Anglo world which has 'sneaked up' without entering general public knowledge.
    Wow. It really has grown.

    In Canada, Vancouver has been a real grower (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Vancouver#Population_growth), and - of course - there are the cities of the sunbelt (Las Vegas, Phoenix, Raleigh)).
    Vancouver has been the big Canadian Pacific coast city since the 19th century likewise many of the US sunbelt cities will be the 'natural' state capital.

    Whereas Gold Coast was until recently nothing more than a holiday resort for Brisbane.
    For shame! Vancouver is not a Capital. That would be Victoria, my old home town.
    That's why I said 'natural' capital.

    As wiki says:

    ' In 1886, with the completion of the Canadian Pacific Railway terminus on Burrard Inlet, Victoria's position as the commercial centre of British Columbia was irrevocably lost to the city of Vancouver, British Columbia. '

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria,_British_Columbia
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