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Above is a chart based on Opinium’s net approval ratings for the PM since GE2017. I choose this pollster because it is one of just two that just about always every month publish the latest leader ratings which gives us enough data points for analysis. I wish other firms would follow this lead.

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Anorak

First?

Danny565

"There's a difference between what offends you and what affects you"

Although I think people widely disapprove of how the government has handled the 'Windrush' affair, it also doesn't actually affect most people, nor do they think themselves at risk of being affected by it. The same as with Labour's antisemitism issues.

RobD

Another Douglas!

Anorak

Danny565 said:

"There's a difference between what offends you and what affects you"

Although I think people widely disapprove of how the government has handled the 'Windrush' affair, it also doesn't actually affect people, nor do most people think themselves at risk of being affected by it. The same as with Labour's antisemitism issues.

Perhaps, but Windrush goes to competence and directly taints the leader of the party, which is influential on deciding who to vote for. It's not fatal (yet) but it's a serious wound to bear going into a series of elections.

Big_G_NorthWales

Danny565 said:

"There's a difference between what offends you and what affects you"

Although I think people widely disapprove of how the government has handled the 'Windrush' affair, it also doesn't actually affect people, nor do most people think themselves at risk of being affected by it. The same as with Labour's antisemitism issues.

I would go further Lord Kerslake comparing it to Nazi attitudes is just going to anger many. What is it with labour and Nazi's.

I comprehensively condemn the Windrush scandal but spreading nonsense like that is unacceptable

geoffw

"This week’s news has been very much about TMay because it was on her watch as Home Secretary between 2010 and 2016 that the changes took place which are now causing so much concern."

If you make a judgement based on polls, it seems to have done her no harm.

Theuniondivvie

For DavidL.

https://twitter.com/BBCPhilipSim/status/986999292069076994

I'm sure you can guess from which party the 27 who voted against came. I realise it's largely symbolic, but have a word with your lads, eh? They're *supposed* to have some influence with the UK gov.

geoffw

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Danny565 said:

"There's a difference between what offends you and what affects you"

Although I think people widely disapprove of how the government has handled the 'Windrush' affair, it also doesn't actually affect people, nor do most people think themselves at risk of being affected by it. The same as with Labour's antisemitism issues.

I would go further Lord Kerslake comparing it to Nazi attitudes is just going to anger many. What is it with labour and Nazi's.

I comprehensively condemn the Windrush scandal but spreading nonsense like that is unacceptable

Bob Kerslake sits in the Lords as a crossbencher but "his impartiality was ... questioned owing to his close relationship with Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party" (source: Wikipedia).

Elliot

The front page of the Standard this evening is about an explosion in rapes by teenagers in London, partially driven by social media. I was quite shocked to read one case where a 15 year old raped a 5 year old and got four years in prison. Another rapist got six years for raping someone at knife point.

I'm no hanger-and-flogger, but those sentences do seem crazily short relative to what the victims will have to go through.

RobinWiggs

The interesting thing about the chart is that the impact of the conference speech disaster lasted exactly one month, before the previous improved position was re-established. If there is any net impact from Windrush after Salisbury and Russian aggression is taken into account, I expect it will last for the same amount of time.

Providing TMay can continue to display a reasonable degree of confidence and competence, whilst Labour try to do the opposite, then I expect this trend will continue and may result in a grudging net favourable rating over time.

Of course, Brexit has been fairly quiet of late (their Lordships' truculence last night notwithstanding) and this won't continue.

rottenborough

RobinWiggs said:

The interesting thing about the chart is that the impact of the conference speech disaster lasted exactly one month, before the previous improved position was re-established. If there is any net impact from Windrush after Salisbury and Russian aggression is taken into account, I expect it will last for the same amount of time.

Providing TMay can continue to display a reasonable degree of confidence and competence, whilst Labour try to do the opposite, then I expect this trend will continue and may result in a grudging net favourable rating over time.

Of course, Brexit has been fairly quiet of late (their Lordships' truculence last night notwithstanding) and this won't continue.

May is the thin blue line standing between us and either Rees Mogg or Corbyn, as far as I can see.

FrankBooth

Danny565 said:

"There's a difference between what offends you and what affects you"

Although I think people widely disapprove of how the government has handled the 'Windrush' affair, it also doesn't actually affect most people, nor do they think themselves at risk of being affected by it. The same as with Labour's antisemitism issues.

I suspect this is a theme of the last 10 years in particular. It hasn't helped the left in general.

williamglenn

rottenborough said:

RobinWiggs said:

The interesting thing about the chart is that the impact of the conference speech disaster lasted exactly one month, before the previous improved position was re-established. If there is any net impact from Windrush after Salisbury and Russian aggression is taken into account, I expect it will last for the same amount of time.

Providing TMay can continue to display a reasonable degree of confidence and competence, whilst Labour try to do the opposite, then I expect this trend will continue and may result in a grudging net favourable rating over time.

Of course, Brexit has been fairly quiet of late (their Lordships' truculence last night notwithstanding) and this won't continue.

May is the thin blue line standing between us and either Rees Mogg or Corbyn, as far as I can see.

May has turned making every other option completely unpalatable into an art form.

another_richard

There seems to be more activity in the London construction market than the doomsters would have us believe:

' London’s skyline is to be transformed over the next decade with a record 510 tall towers, more than 20 storeys high, planned or under construction. The total is up from 455 towers in the pipeline in 2016, according to research from the industry forum New London Architecture (NLA) and real estate consultancy GL Hearn.

Construction has started on 115 towers, also a record. Over the past two years, work started on more projects than in the preceding five years combined. '

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/18/londons-skyline-soars-with-record-510-tall-buildings-in-pipeline

another_richard

A thought on retail sales.

If you buy food at a shop and eat it at home that counts as retail sales.

But if you eat at a restaurant that doesn't count as retail sales but as general service sector activity.

In which case the shift towards eating out during the last couple of decades should have had a dampening effect on retail sales growth.

Is that right ?

Big_G_NorthWales

geoffw said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Danny565 said:

"There's a difference between what offends you and what affects you"

Although I think people widely disapprove of how the government has handled the 'Windrush' affair, it also doesn't actually affect people, nor do most people think themselves at risk of being affected by it. The same as with Labour's antisemitism issues.

I would go further Lord Kerslake comparing it to Nazi attitudes is just going to anger many. What is it with labour and Nazi's.

I comprehensively condemn the Windrush scandal but spreading nonsense like that is unacceptable

Bob Kerslake sits in the Lords as a crossbencher but "his impartiality was ... questioned owing to his close relationship with Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party" (source: Wikipedia).

He is Corbyn's go to attack dog but his comments are unworthy and just wrong

another_richard

A rather good demolition of the De La Rue whining:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/nils-pratley-on-finance/2018/apr/18/de-la-rue-chief-chose-wrong-card-to-play-passport-contract-battle

' It is equally odd that Labour shadow ministers, from Keir Starmer to Diane Abbott, thought it wise to back a doomed campaign to impose extra costs on the public purse for the sake of symbolism. There are interventionist industrial causes that are worth backing. This was not one. '

steve_garner

This week's news has not just been about May and Windrush. Corbyn has had a shocking week over Syria, Russia and Anti Semitism. I'd not care to predict the impact of this week on leader ratings.

Big_G_NorthWales

another_richard said:

A thought on retail sales.

If you buy food at a shop and eat it at home that counts as retail sales.

But if you eat at a restaurant that doesn't count as retail sales but as general service sector activity.

In which case the shift towards eating out during the last couple of decades should have had a dampening effect on retail sales growth.

Is that right ?

There is a logic in that but I am sure someone on here will provide further thoughts on it

FrankBooth

Why has the Queen recommended her son as future leader of the Commonwealth? It goes against here usual public impartiality and it was generally thought she wasn't Charles' biggest fan.

Richard_Nabavi

another_richard said:

A rather good demolition of the De La Rue whining:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/nils-pratley-on-finance/2018/apr/18/de-la-rue-chief-chose-wrong-card-to-play-passport-contract-battle

' It is equally odd that Labour shadow ministers, from Keir Starmer to Diane Abbott, thought it wise to back a doomed campaign to impose extra costs on the public purse for the sake of symbolism. There are interventionist industrial causes that are worth backing. This was not one. '

It's not odd at all, it's absolutely par for the course.

Big_G_NorthWales

FrankBooth said:

Why has the Queen recommended her son as future leader of the Commonwealth? It goes against here usual public impartiality and it was generally thought she wasn't Charles' biggest fan.

I thought it was strange and maybe disrespectful to the leaders. It also will take away his legitimacy to a degree.

She should have left it to the leaders

Casino_Royale

RobinWiggs said:

The interesting thing about the chart is that the impact of the conference speech disaster lasted exactly one month, before the previous improved position was re-established. If there is any net impact from Windrush after Salisbury and Russian aggression is taken into account, I expect it will last for the same amount of time.

Providing TMay can continue to display a reasonable degree of confidence and competence, whilst Labour try to do the opposite, then I expect this trend will continue and may result in a grudging net favourable rating over time.

Of course, Brexit has been fairly quiet of late (their Lordships' truculence last night notwithstanding) and this won't continue.

I think the intent of the HoL is to amend all the Governments Brexit legislation to death.

I don’t know where it will end up. I just hope enough crossbenchers see enough sense before it’s too late, as the choice isn’t between Brexit and no Brexit but an orderly one and a chaotic one.

rcs1000

another_richard said:

There seems to be more activity in the London construction market than the doomsters would have us believe:

' London’s skyline is to be transformed over the next decade with a record 510 tall towers, more than 20 storeys high, planned or under construction. The total is up from 455 towers in the pipeline in 2016, according to research from the industry forum New London Architecture (NLA) and real estate consultancy GL Hearn.

Construction has started on 115 towers, also a record. Over the past two years, work started on more projects than in the preceding five years combined. '

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/18/londons-skyline-soars-with-record-510-tall-buildings-in-pipeline

I have a confession to make: I like skyscrapers. I'd much rather live in an apartment on the 40th floor of some gaudy monstrosity in Central London than in a house in the countryside. I choose views and location above space and history.

Sorry.

Sean_F

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Danny565 said:

"There's a difference between what offends you and what affects you"

Although I think people widely disapprove of how the government has handled the 'Windrush' affair, it also doesn't actually affect people, nor do most people think themselves at risk of being affected by it. The same as with Labour's antisemitism issues.

I would go further Lord Kerslake comparing it to Nazi attitudes is just going to anger many. What is it with labour and Nazi's.

I comprehensively condemn the Windrush scandal but spreading nonsense like that is unacceptable

Say what you like about Theresa May, but I really don't think she wants to turn this country into the Fourth Reich.

Pulpstar

another_richard said:

There seems to be more activity in the London construction market than the doomsters would have us believe:

' London’s skyline is to be transformed over the next decade with a record 510 tall towers, more than 20 storeys high, planned or under construction. The total is up from 455 towers in the pipeline in 2016, according to research from the industry forum New London Architecture (NLA) and real estate consultancy GL Hearn.

Construction has started on 115 towers, also a record. Over the past two years, work started on more projects than in the preceding five years combined. '

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/18/londons-skyline-soars-with-record-510-tall-buildings-in-pipeline

Seems a good solution to the "Oh Lord give us immigration to share the tax take burden, just not near my house" issue to be fair

Big_G_NorthWales

Casino_Royale said:

RobinWiggs said:

The interesting thing about the chart is that the impact of the conference speech disaster lasted exactly one month, before the previous improved position was re-established. If there is any net impact from Windrush after Salisbury and Russian aggression is taken into account, I expect it will last for the same amount of time.

Providing TMay can continue to display a reasonable degree of confidence and competence, whilst Labour try to do the opposite, then I expect this trend will continue and may result in a grudging net favourable rating over time.

Of course, Brexit has been fairly quiet of late (their Lordships' truculence last night notwithstanding) and this won't continue.

I think the intent of the HoL is to amend all the Governments Brexit legislation to death.

I don’t know where it will end up. I just hope enough crossbenchers see enough sense before it’s too late, as the choice isn’t between Brexit and no Brexit but an orderly one and a chaotic one.

I am past getting myself wound up by all this. I do trust TM on this and know a deal will happen

The end deal hopefully will be a compromise

Foxy

FrankBooth said:

Why has the Queen recommended her son as future leader of the Commonwealth? It goes against here usual public impartiality and it was generally thought she wasn't Charles' biggest fan.

I guess that it shows how much she cares both for the Commonwealth and for Royal tradition.

rcs1000

another_richard said:

A thought on retail sales.

If you buy food at a shop and eat it at home that counts as retail sales.

But if you eat at a restaurant that doesn't count as retail sales but as general service sector activity.

In which case the shift towards eating out during the last couple of decades should have had a dampening effect on retail sales growth.

Is that right ?

I genuinely don't know.

I will now have to go and scour the ONS appendices and household spending surveys.

Sigh.

Casino_Royale

FrankBooth said:

Why has the Queen recommended her son as future leader of the Commonwealth? It goes against here usual public impartiality and it was generally thought she wasn't Charles' biggest fan.

Charles is well past retirement age. It won’t be long before he can’t do it either.

If it were me, I’d skip a generation and argue for William to be the Head of the Commonwealth and Harry as the Deputy. Sort of Chairman and CEO.

That would stabilise its leadership for decades, and would work well.

Foxy

rcs1000 said:

another_richard said:

A thought on retail sales.

If you buy food at a shop and eat it at home that counts as retail sales.

But if you eat at a restaurant that doesn't count as retail sales but as general service sector activity.

In which case the shift towards eating out during the last couple of decades should have had a dampening effect on retail sales growth.

Is that right ?

I genuinely don't know.

I will now have to go and scour the ONS appendices and household spending surveys.

Sigh.

I was considering a Chromebook for working on the fly, but need to have MS Office compatability. Any thoughts? I recall you were a fan.

TheWhiteRabbit

Pulpstar said:

another_richard said:

There seems to be more activity in the London construction market than the doomsters would have us believe:

' London’s skyline is to be transformed over the next decade with a record 510 tall towers, more than 20 storeys high, planned or under construction. The total is up from 455 towers in the pipeline in 2016, according to research from the industry forum New London Architecture (NLA) and real estate consultancy GL Hearn.

Construction has started on 115 towers, also a record. Over the past two years, work started on more projects than in the preceding five years combined. '

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/18/londons-skyline-soars-with-record-510-tall-buildings-in-pipeline

Seems a good solution to the "Oh Lord give us immigration to share the tax take burden, just not near my house" issue to be fair

I'm in the London Commerical Real Estate market. The top-end didn't lose much after June 2016 but it is under a lot of pressure now. I don't know if it will be volumes or prices that are affected though.

Casino_Royale

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Casino_Royale said:

RobinWiggs said:

The interesting thing about the chart is that the impact of the conference speech disaster lasted exactly one month, before the previous improved position was re-established. If there is any net impact from Windrush after Salisbury and Russian aggression is taken into account, I expect it will last for the same amount of time.

Providing TMay can continue to display a reasonable degree of confidence and competence, whilst Labour try to do the opposite, then I expect this trend will continue and may result in a grudging net favourable rating over time.

Of course, Brexit has been fairly quiet of late (their Lordships' truculence last night notwithstanding) and this won't continue.

I think the intent of the HoL is to amend all the Governments Brexit legislation to death.

I don’t know where it will end up. I just hope enough crossbenchers see enough sense before it’s too late, as the choice isn’t between Brexit and no Brexit but an orderly one and a chaotic one.

I am past getting myself wound up by all this. I do trust TM on this and know a deal will happen

The end deal hopefully will be a compromise

The Lords can delay legislation relating to Brexit reaching the statue book. They can’t really affect the Government’s negotiating strategy as that depends on May, her cabinet, and the confidence of the HoC.

rcs1000

another_richard said:

A rather good demolition of the De La Rue whining:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/nils-pratley-on-finance/2018/apr/18/de-la-rue-chief-chose-wrong-card-to-play-passport-contract-battle

' It is equally odd that Labour shadow ministers, from Keir Starmer to Diane Abbott, thought it wise to back a doomed campaign to impose extra costs on the public purse for the sake of symbolism. There are interventionist industrial causes that are worth backing. This was not one. '

It was a stupid bid from De La Rue, and they've paid the price.

My sympathy with them is zero.

(And I think they might need a new Chief Executive. Sadly, I'm busy.)

Big_G_NorthWales

rcs1000 said:

another_richard said:

A thought on retail sales.

If you buy food at a shop and eat it at home that counts as retail sales.

But if you eat at a restaurant that doesn't count as retail sales but as general service sector activity.

In which case the shift towards eating out during the last couple of decades should have had a dampening effect on retail sales growth.

Is that right ?

I genuinely don't know.

I will now have to go and scour the ONS appendices and household spending surveys.

Sigh.

I knew you would get an answer in due couse and looks as if it will be forthcoming once rcs 1000 has done his homework

A demonstration why this is an amazing forum

Theuniondivvie

Sean_F said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Danny565 said:

"There's a difference between what offends you and what affects you"

Although I think people widely disapprove of how the government has handled the 'Windrush' affair, it also doesn't actually affect people, nor do most people think themselves at risk of being affected by it. The same as with Labour's antisemitism issues.

I would go further Lord Kerslake comparing it to Nazi attitudes is just going to anger many. What is it with labour and Nazi's.

I comprehensively condemn the Windrush scandal but spreading nonsense like that is unacceptable

Say what you like about Theresa May, but I really don't think she wants to turn this country into the Fourth Reich.

It would involve a messianic engagement with the great British volk, spellbinding oratory and getting the trains to run on time.

So no.

SquareRoot

Sean_F said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Danny565 said:

"There's a difference between what offends you and what affects you"

Although I think people widely disapprove of how the government has handled the 'Windrush' affair, it also doesn't actually affect people, nor do most people think themselves at risk of being affected by it. The same as with Labour's antisemitism issues.

I would go further Lord Kerslake comparing it to Nazi attitudes is just going to anger many. What is it with labour and Nazi's.

I comprehensively condemn the Windrush scandal but spreading nonsense like that is unacceptable

Say what you like about Theresa May, but I really don't think she wants to turn this country into the Fourth Reich.

I was in Ypres at the weekend and at one moment I stood in the German cemetery approximately where Hitler stood in 1940 when he visited it.. Spooky.... when I was told ....when comparing it to a photo taken at the time.

Pulpstar

TheWhiteRabbit said:

Pulpstar said:

another_richard said:

There seems to be more activity in the London construction market than the doomsters would have us believe:

' London’s skyline is to be transformed over the next decade with a record 510 tall towers, more than 20 storeys high, planned or under construction. The total is up from 455 towers in the pipeline in 2016, according to research from the industry forum New London Architecture (NLA) and real estate consultancy GL Hearn.

Construction has started on 115 towers, also a record. Over the past two years, work started on more projects than in the preceding five years combined. '

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/18/londons-skyline-soars-with-record-510-tall-buildings-in-pipeline

Seems a good solution to the "Oh Lord give us immigration to share the tax take burden, just not near my house" issue to be fair

I'm in the London Commerical Real Estate market. The top-end didn't lose much after June 2016 but it is under a lot of pressure now. I don't know if it will be volumes or prices that are affected though.

You're looking for a flat iirc ? Best of luck - remember the bottom is the best position in the chain

Casino_Royale

On topic, I suspect May will just about get away with the Windrush scandal, much as her critics wish it brought her down. Most people will support both the 2014 immigration reforms and regret the fact that some Windrush migrants were unfairly affected, which they will they will put down to a combination of politicians from both sides getting it wrong and Home Office incompetence going back decades. They won’t think Theresa May has the Mark of Cain upon her.

Also, the story only lasted one or two news cycles, and there have been too many other things going on this week - like CHOG, the hot weather, or Dale Winton.

SquareRoot

rcs1000 said:

another_richard said:

There seems to be more activity in the London construction market than the doomsters would have us believe:

' London’s skyline is to be transformed over the next decade with a record 510 tall towers, more than 20 storeys high, planned or under construction. The total is up from 455 towers in the pipeline in 2016, according to research from the industry forum New London Architecture (NLA) and real estate consultancy GL Hearn.

Construction has started on 115 towers, also a record. Over the past two years, work started on more projects than in the preceding five years combined. '

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/18/londons-skyline-soars-with-record-510-tall-buildings-in-pipeline

I have a confession to make: I like skyscrapers. I'd much rather live in an apartment on the 40th floor of some gaudy monstrosity in Central London than in a house in the countryside. I choose views and location above space and history.

Sorry.

not good if you have a yapping dog...

Kevin

Where's the best place for markets on local election outside London?

rcs1000

mbbsineurope16 said:

nice post
https://www.mbbs-inukraine.com/mbbs-in-ukraine

So, someone called mbbs* is promoting a story on a blog called mbbs*, and has made no other contributions to the PB community/

I'd swing the ban hammer, but I'm currently wading through a 312 page ONS PDF on how they collect retail sales data.

Danny565

FrankBooth said:

Danny565 said:

"There's a difference between what offends you and what affects you"

Although I think people widely disapprove of how the government has handled the 'Windrush' affair, it also doesn't actually affect most people, nor do they think themselves at risk of being affected by it. The same as with Labour's antisemitism issues.

I suspect this is a theme of the last 10 years in particular. It hasn't helped the left in general.

It was a consequence of centre-left parties accepting the neoliberal economic model, first in terms of the financial set-up and then, after 2007, agreeing that public-spending increases were impossible because of the deficit. Once you basically take all economic arguments off the table, all the centre-left had left was gestures to less-privileged groups, which many people might've agreed with, but they were never going to prioritise them over their own personal circumstances.

The big irony of course is that Corbyn's left-wing economic programme has a lot more to offer to the Middle England "what's in it for me?" voters than the "moderate" Labour manifestos of 2010 or 2015, because, whether one agrees with Corbynomics or not, the changes he's proposing are so broad and sweeping that a huge group of people think they personally stand to benefit from them.

AlastairMeeks

One awaits the Leave meme about these stats:

https://twitter.com/chrisgiles_/status/987022402168160256?s=21

rcs1000

SquareRoot said:

rcs1000 said:

another_richard said:

There seems to be more activity in the London construction market than the doomsters would have us believe:

' London’s skyline is to be transformed over the next decade with a record 510 tall towers, more than 20 storeys high, planned or under construction. The total is up from 455 towers in the pipeline in 2016, according to research from the industry forum New London Architecture (NLA) and real estate consultancy GL Hearn.

Construction has started on 115 towers, also a record. Over the past two years, work started on more projects than in the preceding five years combined. '

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/18/londons-skyline-soars-with-record-510-tall-buildings-in-pipeline

I have a confession to make: I like skyscrapers. I'd much rather live in an apartment on the 40th floor of some gaudy monstrosity in Central London than in a house in the countryside. I choose views and location above space and history.

Sorry.

not good if you have a yapping dog...

On the contrary, so long as the balcony has low walls...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smUtq0YE1ZE

rcs1000

Foxy said:

rcs1000 said:

another_richard said:

A thought on retail sales.

If you buy food at a shop and eat it at home that counts as retail sales.

But if you eat at a restaurant that doesn't count as retail sales but as general service sector activity.

In which case the shift towards eating out during the last couple of decades should have had a dampening effect on retail sales growth.

Is that right ?

I genuinely don't know.

I will now have to go and scour the ONS appendices and household spending surveys.

Sigh.

I was considering a Chromebook for working on the fly, but need to have MS Office compatability. Any thoughts? I recall you were a fan.

I'm using my Chromebook now. Modern Chromebooks run the Android versions of Microsoft Office, which is good enough 99% of the time.

another_richard

rcs1000 said:

another_richard said:

There seems to be more activity in the London construction market than the doomsters would have us believe:

' London’s skyline is to be transformed over the next decade with a record 510 tall towers, more than 20 storeys high, planned or under construction. The total is up from 455 towers in the pipeline in 2016, according to research from the industry forum New London Architecture (NLA) and real estate consultancy GL Hearn.

Construction has started on 115 towers, also a record. Over the past two years, work started on more projects than in the preceding five years combined. '

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/18/londons-skyline-soars-with-record-510-tall-buildings-in-pipeline

I have a confession to make: I like skyscrapers. I'd much rather live in an apartment on the 40th floor of some gaudy monstrosity in Central London than in a house in the countryside. I choose views and location above space and history.

Sorry.

Nothing wrong with that - each to their own and all that.

What is important is the quality of whatever home you have and who your neighbours are.

Casino_Royale

Sean_F said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Danny565 said:

"There's a difference between what offends you and what affects you"

Although I think people widely disapprove of how the government has handled the 'Windrush' affair, it also doesn't actually affect people, nor do most people think themselves at risk of being affected by it. The same as with Labour's antisemitism issues.

I would go further Lord Kerslake comparing it to Nazi attitudes is just going to anger many. What is it with labour and Nazi's.

I comprehensively condemn the Windrush scandal but spreading nonsense like that is unacceptable

Say what you like about Theresa May, but I really don't think she wants to turn this country into the Fourth Reich.

No hyperbole is too strong.

rcs1000

AlastairMeeks said:

One awaits the Leave meme about these stats:

https://twitter.com/chrisgiles_/status/987022402168160256?s=21

Re 6,

The Markit surveys have shown a very sharp slowdown in global growth in Q1.

The biggest slowdown - albeit from very high levels in Q4 - was in the Eurozone.

SquareRoot

rcs1000 said:

SquareRoot said:

rcs1000 said:

another_richard said:

There seems to be more activity in the London construction market than the doomsters would have us believe:

' London’s skyline is to be transformed over the next decade with a record 510 tall towers, more than 20 storeys high, planned or under construction. The total is up from 455 towers in the pipeline in 2016, according to research from the industry forum New London Architecture (NLA) and real estate consultancy GL Hearn.

Construction has started on 115 towers, also a record. Over the past two years, work started on more projects than in the preceding five years combined. '

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/18/londons-skyline-soars-with-record-510-tall-buildings-in-pipeline

I have a confession to make: I like skyscrapers. I'd much rather live in an apartment on the 40th floor of some gaudy monstrosity in Central London than in a house in the countryside. I choose views and location above space and history.

Sorry.

not good if you have a yapping dog...

On the contrary, so long as the balcony has low walls...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smUtq0YE1ZE

Casino_Royale

Danny565 said:

FrankBooth said:

Danny565 said:

"There's a difference between what offends you and what affects you"

Although I think people widely disapprove of how the government has handled the 'Windrush' affair, it also doesn't actually affect most people, nor do they think themselves at risk of being affected by it. The same as with Labour's antisemitism issues.

I suspect this is a theme of the last 10 years in particular. It hasn't helped the left in general.

It was a consequence of centre-left parties accepting the neoliberal economic model, first in terms of the financial set-up and then, after 2007, agreeing that public-spending increases were impossible because of the deficit. Once you basically take all economic arguments off the table, all the centre-left had left was gestures to less-privileged groups, which many people might've agreed with, but they were never going to prioritise them over their own personal circumstances.

The big irony of course is that Corbyn's left-wing economic programme has a lot more to offer to the Middle England "what's in it for me?" voters than the "moderate" Labour manifestos of 2010 or 2015, because, whether one agrees with Corbynomics or not, the changes he's proposing are so broad and sweeping that a huge group of people think they personally stand to benefit from them.

One thing I think the Tories have missed, compared to the 1970s, for example, is how much more the middle class today depend upon public spending and the public sector compared to what was the blue collar working class then.

Pulpstar

AlastairMeeks said:

One awaits the Leave meme about these stats:

https://twitter.com/chrisgiles_/status/987022402168160256?s=21

On point 3, inflation is just about ideal at the moment

IanB2

another_richard said:

A thought on retail sales.

If you buy food at a shop and eat it at home that counts as retail sales.

But if you eat at a restaurant that doesn't count as retail sales but as general service sector activity.

In which case the shift towards eating out during the last couple of decades should have had a dampening effect on retail sales growth.

Is that right ?

Even if it's right, drink has been going the other way, with declining sales in pubs and a significant rise in supermarket (and latterly online) buying for consumption at home.

another_richard

AlastairMeeks said:

One awaits the Leave meme about these stats:

https://twitter.com/chrisgiles_/status/987022402168160256?s=21

Does he know that sterling has risen in value in the last few months ?

Which is something I think is bad for the UK economy.

MarqueeMark

Pulpstar said:

AlastairMeeks said:

One awaits the Leave meme about these stats:

https://twitter.com/chrisgiles_/status/987022402168160256?s=21

On point 3, inflation is just about ideal at the moment

On point 4 - Beast from the East.

another_richard

IanB2 said:

another_richard said:

A thought on retail sales.

If you buy food at a shop and eat it at home that counts as retail sales.

But if you eat at a restaurant that doesn't count as retail sales but as general service sector activity.

In which case the shift towards eating out during the last couple of decades should have had a dampening effect on retail sales growth.

Is that right ?

Even if it's right, drink has been going the other way, with declining sales in pubs and a significant rise in supermarket (and latterly online) buying for consumption at home.

Agreed for pubs but coffee shops have increased.

TheWhiteRabbit

another_richard said:

IanB2 said:

another_richard said:

A thought on retail sales.

If you buy food at a shop and eat it at home that counts as retail sales.

But if you eat at a restaurant that doesn't count as retail sales but as general service sector activity.

In which case the shift towards eating out during the last couple of decades should have had a dampening effect on retail sales growth.

Is that right ?

Even if it's right, drink has been going the other way, with declining sales in pubs and a significant rise in supermarket (and latterly online) buying for consumption at home.

Agreed for pubs but coffee shops have increased.

Food and beverage overall is significantly up

another_richard

TheWhiteRabbit said:

another_richard said:

IanB2 said:

another_richard said:

A thought on retail sales.

If you buy food at a shop and eat it at home that counts as retail sales.

But if you eat at a restaurant that doesn't count as retail sales but as general service sector activity.

In which case the shift towards eating out during the last couple of decades should have had a dampening effect on retail sales growth.

Is that right ?

Even if it's right, drink has been going the other way, with declining sales in pubs and a significant rise in supermarket (and latterly online) buying for consumption at home.

Agreed for pubs but coffee shops have increased.

Food and beverage overall is significantly up

And obesity.

another_richard

another_richard said:

AlastairMeeks said:

One awaits the Leave meme about these stats:

https://twitter.com/chrisgiles_/status/987022402168160256?s=21

Does he know that sterling has risen in value in the last few months ?

Which is something I think is bad for the UK economy.

Oddly sterling has just dropped sharply - is the potential interest rate now off ?

MaxPB

rcs1000 said:

another_richard said:

A thought on retail sales.

If you buy food at a shop and eat it at home that counts as retail sales.

But if you eat at a restaurant that doesn't count as retail sales but as general service sector activity.

In which case the shift towards eating out during the last couple of decades should have had a dampening effect on retail sales growth.

Is that right ?

I genuinely don't know.

I will now have to go and scour the ONS appendices and household spending surveys.

Sigh.

Spending in restaurants and bars comes under hospitality, which is classed as services spending rather than retail spending.

jayfdee

another_richard said:

TheWhiteRabbit said:

another_richard said:

IanB2 said:

another_richard said:

A thought on retail sales.

If you buy food at a shop and eat it at home that counts as retail sales.

But if you eat at a restaurant that doesn't count as retail sales but as general service sector activity.

In which case the shift towards eating out during the last couple of decades should have had a dampening effect on retail sales growth.

Is that right ?

Even if it's right, drink has been going the other way, with declining sales in pubs and a significant rise in supermarket (and latterly online) buying for consumption at home.

Agreed for pubs but coffee shops have increased.

Food and beverage overall is significantly up

And obesity.

Yes we have a huge obesity crisis coming, diabetes, and all the other problems caused by obesity.

FrankBooth

another_richard said:

AlastairMeeks said:

One awaits the Leave meme about these stats:

https://twitter.com/chrisgiles_/status/987022402168160256?s=21

Does he know that sterling has risen in value in the last few months ?

Which is something I think is bad for the UK economy.

I think he's just referring to the data from the last few days. I've been surprised by Sterling's strength but don't forget that it might be up against the dollar since the referendum but the dollar is down itself. A remain vote would probably have seen sterling at $1.50 immediately afterwards.

SquareRoot

IanB2 said:

another_richard said:

A thought on retail sales.

If you buy food at a shop and eat it at home that counts as retail sales.

But if you eat at a restaurant that doesn't count as retail sales but as general service sector activity.

In which case the shift towards eating out during the last couple of decades should have had a dampening effect on retail sales growth.

Is that right ?

Even if it's right, drink has been going the other way, with declining sales in pubs and a significant rise in supermarket (and latterly online) buying for consumption at home.

Not surprised, the price of a pint in a pub is getting ludicrously expensive, some lagers are heading towards £6 a pint, beer is 4.50 to 5.00 in lots of places ... no thanks.. I'll visit my micro-brewery and buy it for half that.

another_richard

MaxPB said:

rcs1000 said:

another_richard said:

A thought on retail sales.

If you buy food at a shop and eat it at home that counts as retail sales.

But if you eat at a restaurant that doesn't count as retail sales but as general service sector activity.

In which case the shift towards eating out during the last couple of decades should have had a dampening effect on retail sales growth.

Is that right ?

I genuinely don't know.

I will now have to go and scour the ONS appendices and household spending surveys.

Sigh.

Spending in restaurants and bars comes under hospitality, which is classed as services spending rather than retail spending.

Does that include coffee shops ?

MaxPB

another_richard said:

MaxPB said:

rcs1000 said:

another_richard said:

A thought on retail sales.

If you buy food at a shop and eat it at home that counts as retail sales.

But if you eat at a restaurant that doesn't count as retail sales but as general service sector activity.

In which case the shift towards eating out during the last couple of decades should have had a dampening effect on retail sales growth.

Is that right ?

I genuinely don't know.

I will now have to go and scour the ONS appendices and household spending surveys.

Sigh.

Spending in restaurants and bars comes under hospitality, which is classed as services spending rather than retail spending.

Does that include coffee shops ?

another_richard said:

MaxPB said:

rcs1000 said:

another_richard said:

A thought on retail sales.

If you buy food at a shop and eat it at home that counts as retail sales.

But if you eat at a restaurant that doesn't count as retail sales but as general service sector activity.

In which case the shift towards eating out during the last couple of decades should have had a dampening effect on retail sales growth.

Is that right ?

I genuinely don't know.

I will now have to go and scour the ONS appendices and household spending surveys.

Sigh.

Spending in restaurants and bars comes under hospitality, which is classed as services spending rather than retail spending.

Does that include coffee shops ?

Yes. AIUI, if it's served by a person then it is classed as hospitality. If it's self serve (supermarket) then it's retail.

Although both are, in the end, classed as services. Retail sales are a subset of the services index.

tlg86

another_richard said:

another_richard said:

AlastairMeeks said:

One awaits the Leave meme about these stats:

https://twitter.com/chrisgiles_/status/987022402168160256?s=21

Does he know that sterling has risen in value in the last few months ?

Which is something I think is bad for the UK economy.

Oddly sterling has just dropped sharply - is the potential interest rate now off ?

I reckon so.

jayfdee

another_richard said:

rcs1000 said:

another_richard said:

There seems to be more activity in the London construction market than the doomsters would have us believe:

' London’s skyline is to be transformed over the next decade with a record 510 tall towers, more than 20 storeys high, planned or under construction. The total is up from 455 towers in the pipeline in 2016, according to research from the industry forum New London Architecture (NLA) and real estate consultancy GL Hearn.

Construction has started on 115 towers, also a record. Over the past two years, work started on more projects than in the preceding five years combined. '

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/18/londons-skyline-soars-with-record-510-tall-buildings-in-pipeline

I have a confession to make: I like skyscrapers. I'd much rather live in an apartment on the 40th floor of some gaudy monstrosity in Central London than in a house in the countryside. I choose views and location above space and history.

Sorry.

Nothing wrong with that - each to their own and all that.

What is important is the quality of whatever home you have and who your neighbours are.

Yes neighbours are very important, I have moved house purely because of bad neighbours, happy to report I now live in a small community with excellent neighbours.

Cyclefree

rcs1000 said:

another_richard said:

There seems to be more activity in the London construction market than the doomsters would have us believe:

' London’s skyline is to be transformed over the next decade with a record 510 tall towers, more than 20 storeys high, planned or under construction. The total is up from 455 towers in the pipeline in 2016, according to research from the industry forum New London Architecture (NLA) and real estate consultancy GL Hearn.

Construction has started on 115 towers, also a record. Over the past two years, work started on more projects than in the preceding five years combined. '

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/18/londons-skyline-soars-with-record-510-tall-buildings-in-pipeline

I have a confession to make: I like skyscrapers. I'd much rather live in an apartment on the 40th floor of some gaudy monstrosity in Central London than in a house in the countryside. I choose views and location above space and history.

Sorry.

Until the lift breaks down........

Personally, I’d feel imprisoned if I had to live somewhere with no garden.

Were I on my own, I’d just live in one of those tarted up garden sheds/orangeries with a shower room in an enormous garden ...... and stuff the house.

Edited: “tarted up” rather than “tarted”, which might give the wrong impression.......

another_richard

AlastairMeeks said:

One awaits the Leave meme about these stats:

https://twitter.com/chrisgiles_/status/987022402168160256?s=21

Here's another Chris Giles tweet from 27/06/16:

https://twitter.com/chrisgiles_/status/747418086031097856

A couple of highlights:

' The UK economy is heading for recession. Private sector spending will slow, and probably decline, provoking recession in the comming quarters.

Potential output has been cut at a stroke. While the outlook further ahead is for potentially stronger exports of some goods, the outlook for financial services now looks dreadful. Layoffs in the UK will start in weeks. '

Ishmael_Z

another_richard said:

another_richard said:

AlastairMeeks said:

One awaits the Leave meme about these stats:

https://twitter.com/chrisgiles_/status/987022402168160256?s=21

Does he know that sterling has risen in value in the last few months ?

Which is something I think is bad for the UK economy.

Oddly sterling has just dropped sharply - is the potential interest rate now off ?

Cos of Carney, I imagine

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43831159

steve_garner

another_richard said:

another_richard said:

AlastairMeeks said:

One awaits the Leave meme about these stats:

https://twitter.com/chrisgiles_/status/987022402168160256?s=21

Does he know that sterling has risen in value in the last few months ?

Which is something I think is bad for the UK economy.

Oddly sterling has just dropped sharply - is the potential interest rate now off ?

It's possible the rate rise factored in for May will be delayed, judging from Mark Carney's comments today.

jayfdee

Casino_Royale said:

On topic, I suspect May will just about get away with the Windrush scandal, much as her critics wish it brought her down. Most people will support both the 2014 immigration reforms and regret the fact that some Windrush migrants were unfairly affected, which they will they will put down to a combination of politicians from both sides getting it wrong and Home Office incompetence going back decades. They won’t think Theresa May has the Mark of Cain upon her.

Also, the story only lasted one or two news cycles, and there have been too many other things going on this week - like CHOG, the hot weather, or Dale Winton.

Agree, the put down at PMQ's changed the narrative, and the news cycle has moved on. It is still a very sorry, and sad stain on our country.

MaxPB

another_richard said:

another_richard said:

AlastairMeeks said:

One awaits the Leave meme about these stats:

https://twitter.com/chrisgiles_/status/987022402168160256?s=21

Does he know that sterling has risen in value in the last few months ?

Which is something I think is bad for the UK economy.

Oddly sterling has just dropped sharply - is the potential interest rate now off ?

I think the May rise is still on and possibly one after that, but I don't think any further rises after 1% rates are on the cards, not with inflation falling and growth rates down to 0.3% QoQ and around 1.4% YoY. If the latter picks up then I think the chance of further rises increases and sterling will follow.

ydoethur

Cyclefree said:

Edited: “tarted up” rather than “tarted”, which might give the wrong impression.......

From a lady who spends her time trying to teach bankers not to be fuckwits?

Perish the thought!

(Hope business is going OK.)

williamglenn

another_richard said:

A couple of highlights:

' The UK economy is heading for recession. Private sector spending will slow, and probably decline, provoking recession in the comming quarters.

Potential output has been cut at a stroke. While the outlook further ahead is for potentially stronger exports of some goods, the outlook for financial services now looks dreadful. Layoffs in the UK will start in weeks. '

Those were the days when people thought Brexit meant Brexit, before Theresa May sucked the life out of it.

TheWhiteRabbit

williamglenn said:

another_richard said:

A couple of highlights:

' The UK economy is heading for recession. Private sector spending will slow, and probably decline, provoking recession in the comming quarters.

Potential output has been cut at a stroke. While the outlook further ahead is for potentially stronger exports of some goods, the outlook for financial services now looks dreadful. Layoffs in the UK will start in weeks. '

Those were the days when people thought Brexit meant Brexit, before Theresa May sucked the life out of it.

Basically the forecast was too negative because people had too negative a forecast.

But this forecast is just a negative forecast.

Got it.

another_richard

williamglenn said:

another_richard said:

A couple of highlights:

' The UK economy is heading for recession. Private sector spending will slow, and probably decline, provoking recession in the comming quarters.

Potential output has been cut at a stroke. While the outlook further ahead is for potentially stronger exports of some goods, the outlook for financial services now looks dreadful. Layoffs in the UK will start in weeks. '

Those were the days when people thought Brexit meant Brexit, before Theresa May sucked the life out of it.

LOL

Or rather the 'experts' who didn't predict a recession in 2008 but who did predict a recession in 2016 don't know as much as they think they do.

I especially like the layoffs in UK financial services "will start in weeks" - they couldn't even predict their own industry competently.

Casino_Royale

jayfdee said:

another_richard said:

rcs1000 said:

another_richard said:

There seems to be more activity in the London construction market than the doomsters would have us believe:

' London’s skyline is to be transformed over the next decade with a record 510 tall towers, more than 20 storeys high, planned or under construction. The total is up from 455 towers in the pipeline in 2016, according to research from the industry forum New London Architecture (NLA) and real estate consultancy GL Hearn.

Construction has started on 115 towers, also a record. Over the past two years, work started on more projects than in the preceding five years combined. '

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/18/londons-skyline-soars-with-record-510-tall-buildings-in-pipeline

I have a confession to make: I like skyscrapers. I'd much rather live in an apartment on the 40th floor of some gaudy monstrosity in Central London than in a house in the countryside. I choose views and location above space and history.

Sorry.

Nothing wrong with that - each to their own and all that.

What is important is the quality of whatever home you have and who your neighbours are.

Yes neighbours are very important, I have moved house purely because of bad neighbours, happy to report I now live in a small community with excellent neighbours.

I am ligitating against my old neighbours.

I can assure you it has nothing to do with Brexit.

Yorkcity

SquareRoot said:

IanB2 said:

another_richard said:

A thought on retail sales.

If you buy food at a shop and eat it at home that counts as retail sales.

But if you eat at a restaurant that doesn't count as retail sales but as general service sector activity.

In which case the shift towards eating out during the last couple of decades should have had a dampening effect on retail sales growth.

Is that right ?

Even if it's right, drink has been going the other way, with declining sales in pubs and a significant rise in supermarket (and latterly online) buying for consumption at home.

Not surprised, the price of a pint in a pub is getting ludicrously expensive, some lagers are heading towards £6 a pint, beer is 4.50 to 5.00 in lots of places ... no thanks.. I'll visit my micro-brewery and buy it for half that.

You need to find a Sam Smiths pub.They have them in London.Owned by an eccentric gent in Tadcaster.No music , or sports in his establishments but all his own beer , lager and spirits , really cheap.

Theuniondivvie

Casino_Royale said:

jayfdee said:

another_richard said:

rcs1000 said:

another_richard said:

There seems to be more activity in the London construction market than the doomsters would have us believe:

' London’s skyline is to be transformed over the next decade with a record 510 tall towers, more than 20 storeys high, planned or under construction. The total is up from 455 towers in the pipeline in 2016, according to research from the industry forum New London Architecture (NLA) and real estate consultancy GL Hearn.

Construction has started on 115 towers, also a record. Over the past two years, work started on more projects than in the preceding five years combined. '

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/18/londons-skyline-soars-with-record-510-tall-buildings-in-pipeline

I have a confession to make: I like skyscrapers. I'd much rather live in an apartment on the 40th floor of some gaudy monstrosity in Central London than in a house in the countryside. I choose views and location above space and history.

Sorry.

Nothing wrong with that - each to their own and all that.

What is important is the quality of whatever home you have and who your neighbours are.

Yes neighbours are very important, I have moved house purely because of bad neighbours, happy to report I now live in a small community with excellent neighbours.

I am ligitating against my old neighbours.

I can assure you it has nothing to do with Brexit.

Ligitating suggests something to do with garrotting..

ThomasNashe

jayfdee said:

Casino_Royale said:

On topic, I suspect May will just about get away with the Windrush scandal, much as her critics wish it brought her down. Most people will support both the 2014 immigration reforms and regret the fact that some Windrush migrants were unfairly affected, which they will they will put down to a combination of politicians from both sides getting it wrong and Home Office incompetence going back decades. They won’t think Theresa May has the Mark of Cain upon her.

Also, the story only lasted one or two news cycles, and there have been too many other things going on this week - like CHOG, the hot weather, or Dale Winton.

Agree, the put down at PMQ's changed the narrative, and the news cycle has moved on. It is still a very sorry, and sad stain on our country.

You should have just seen C4 News just now. Unfortunately, for TMay this one ain't going away anytime soon.

geoffw

Theuniondivvie said:

Casino_Royale said:

jayfdee said:

another_richard said:

rcs1000 said:

another_richard said:

There seems to be more activity in the London construction market than the doomsters would have us believe:

' London’s skyline is to be transformed over the next decade with a record 510 tall towers, more than 20 storeys high, planned or under construction. The total is up from 455 towers in the pipeline in 2016, according to research from the industry forum New London Architecture (NLA) and real estate consultancy GL Hearn.

Construction has started on 115 towers, also a record. Over the past two years, work started on more projects than in the preceding five years combined. '

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/18/londons-skyline-soars-with-record-510-tall-buildings-in-pipeline

I have a confession to make: I like skyscrapers. I'd much rather live in an apartment on the 40th floor of some gaudy monstrosity in Central London than in a house in the countryside. I choose views and location above space and history.

Sorry.

Nothing wrong with that - each to their own and all that.

What is important is the quality of whatever home you have and who your neighbours are.

Yes neighbours are very important, I have moved house purely because of bad neighbours, happy to report I now live in a small community with excellent neighbours.

I am ligitating against my old neighbours.

I can assure you it has nothing to do with Brexit.

Ligitating suggests something to do with garrotting..

via ligatures?

another_richard

Yorkcity said:

SquareRoot said:

IanB2 said:

another_richard said:

A thought on retail sales.

If you buy food at a shop and eat it at home that counts as retail sales.

But if you eat at a restaurant that doesn't count as retail sales but as general service sector activity.

In which case the shift towards eating out during the last couple of decades should have had a dampening effect on retail sales growth.

Is that right ?

Even if it's right, drink has been going the other way, with declining sales in pubs and a significant rise in supermarket (and latterly online) buying for consumption at home.

Not surprised, the price of a pint in a pub is getting ludicrously expensive, some lagers are heading towards £6 a pint, beer is 4.50 to 5.00 in lots of places ... no thanks.. I'll visit my micro-brewery and buy it for half that.

You need to find a Sam Smiths pub.They have them in London.Owned by an eccentric gent in Tadcaster.No music , or sports in his establishments but all his own beer , lager and spirits , really cheap.

The Chandos and Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese are Sam Smith pubs in London.

But the prices are nearer to standard London prices than Yorkshire prices.

Casino_Royale

Theuniondivvie said:

Casino_Royale said:

jayfdee said:

another_richard said:

rcs1000 said:

another_richard said:

There seems to be more activity in the London construction market than the doomsters would have us believe:

' London’s skyline is to be transformed over the next decade with a record 510 tall towers, more than 20 storeys high, planned or under construction. The total is up from 455 towers in the pipeline in 2016, according to research from the industry forum New London Architecture (NLA) and real estate consultancy GL Hearn.

Construction has started on 115 towers, also a record. Over the past two years, work started on more projects than in the preceding five years combined. '

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/18/londons-skyline-soars-with-record-510-tall-buildings-in-pipeline

I have a confession to make: I like skyscrapers. I'd much rather live in an apartment on the 40th floor of some gaudy monstrosity in Central London than in a house in the countryside. I choose views and location above space and history.

Sorry.

Nothing wrong with that - each to their own and all that.

What is important is the quality of whatever home you have and who your neighbours are.

Yes neighbours are very important, I have moved house purely because of bad neighbours, happy to report I now live in a small community with excellent neighbours.

I am ligitating against my old neighbours.

I can assure you it has nothing to do with Brexit.

Ligitating suggests something to do with garrotting..

I was almost tempted.

MaxPB

ThomasNashe said:

jayfdee said:

Casino_Royale said:

On topic, I suspect May will just about get away with the Windrush scandal, much as her critics wish it brought her down. Most people will support both the 2014 immigration reforms and regret the fact that some Windrush migrants were unfairly affected, which they will they will put down to a combination of politicians from both sides getting it wrong and Home Office incompetence going back decades. They won’t think Theresa May has the Mark of Cain upon her.

Also, the story only lasted one or two news cycles, and there have been too many other things going on this week - like CHOG, the hot weather, or Dale Winton.

Agree, the put down at PMQ's changed the narrative, and the news cycle has moved on. It is still a very sorry, and sad stain on our country.

You should have just seen C4 News just now. Unfortunately, for TMay this one ain't going away anytime soon.

All 17 people will have seen it then.

Pulpstar

Casino_Royale said:

jayfdee said:

another_richard said:

rcs1000 said:

another_richard said:

There seems to be more activity in the London construction market than the doomsters would have us believe:

' London’s skyline is to be transformed over the next decade with a record 510 tall towers, more than 20 storeys high, planned or under construction. The total is up from 455 towers in the pipeline in 2016, according to research from the industry forum New London Architecture (NLA) and real estate consultancy GL Hearn.

Construction has started on 115 towers, also a record. Over the past two years, work started on more projects than in the preceding five years combined. '

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/18/londons-skyline-soars-with-record-510-tall-buildings-in-pipeline

I have a confession to make: I like skyscrapers. I'd much rather live in an apartment on the 40th floor of some gaudy monstrosity in Central London than in a house in the countryside. I choose views and location above space and history.

Sorry.

Nothing wrong with that - each to their own and all that.

What is important is the quality of whatever home you have and who your neighbours are.

Yes neighbours are very important, I have moved house purely because of bad neighbours, happy to report I now live in a small community with excellent neighbours.

I am ligitating against my old neighbours.

I can assure you it has nothing to do with Brexit.

The eggs against the house, car being scratched/ wing mirror broken every few years, low level thievery of incinerator bins/Jerry cans, father heading round our house half pissed, constant noise from the parents swearing at their kids and eventual death of one of our rabbits because they couldn't keep control of their ferret or toddler was not entirely, but a largish factor in us moving the last year.
The rest of the street was perfectly pleasant and we probably wouldn't have bothered to move to a bigger, nicer house if our former (semi attached) neighbours weren't such utter shits.

ThomasNashe

another_richard said:

Yorkcity said:

SquareRoot said:

IanB2 said:

another_richard said:

A thought on retail sales.

If you buy food at a shop and eat it at home that counts as retail sales.

But if you eat at a restaurant that doesn't count as retail sales but as general service sector activity.

In which case the shift towards eating out during the last couple of decades should have had a dampening effect on retail sales growth.

Is that right ?

Even if it's right, drink has been going the other way, with declining sales in pubs and a significant rise in supermarket (and latterly online) buying for consumption at home.

Not surprised, the price of a pint in a pub is getting ludicrously expensive, some lagers are heading towards £6 a pint, beer is 4.50 to 5.00 in lots of places ... no thanks.. I'll visit my micro-brewery and buy it for half that.

You need to find a Sam Smiths pub.They have them in London.Owned by an eccentric gent in Tadcaster.No music , or sports in his establishments but all his own beer , lager and spirits , really cheap.

The Chandos and Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese are Sam Smith pubs in London.

But the prices are nearer to standard London prices than Yorkshire prices.

Angel in the Fields, round the corner from the Wallace Collection is really excellent - but as you say London rather than Yorkshire prices.

MaxPB

another_richard said:

Yorkcity said:

SquareRoot said:

IanB2 said:

another_richard said:

A thought on retail sales.

If you buy food at a shop and eat it at home that counts as retail sales.

But if you eat at a restaurant that doesn't count as retail sales but as general service sector activity.

In which case the shift towards eating out during the last couple of decades should have had a dampening effect on retail sales growth.

Is that right ?

Even if it's right, drink has been going the other way, with declining sales in pubs and a significant rise in supermarket (and latterly online) buying for consumption at home.

Not surprised, the price of a pint in a pub is getting ludicrously expensive, some lagers are heading towards £6 a pint, beer is 4.50 to 5.00 in lots of places ... no thanks.. I'll visit my micro-brewery and buy it for half that.

You need to find a Sam Smiths pub.They have them in London.Owned by an eccentric gent in Tadcaster.No music , or sports in his establishments but all his own beer , lager and spirits , really cheap.

The Chandos and Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese are Sam Smith pubs in London.

But the prices are nearer to standard London prices than Yorkshire prices.

The rising sun in the city was always empty.

ThomasNashe

MaxPB said:

ThomasNashe said:

jayfdee said:

Casino_Royale said:

On topic, I suspect May will just about get away with the Windrush scandal, much as her critics wish it brought her down. Most people will support both the 2014 immigration reforms and regret the fact that some Windrush migrants were unfairly affected, which they will they will put down to a combination of politicians from both sides getting it wrong and Home Office incompetence going back decades. They won’t think Theresa May has the Mark of Cain upon her.

Also, the story only lasted one or two news cycles, and there have been too many other things going on this week - like CHOG, the hot weather, or Dale Winton.

Agree, the put down at PMQ's changed the narrative, and the news cycle has moved on. It is still a very sorry, and sad stain on our country.

You should have just seen C4 News just now. Unfortunately, for TMay this one ain't going away anytime soon.

All 17 people will have seen it then.

LOL. Bet you said that about Crick's expose of the Police's stitch-up of Andrew Mitchell.

Big_G_NorthWales

ThomasNashe said:

jayfdee said:

Casino_Royale said:

On topic, I suspect May will just about get away with the Windrush scandal, much as her critics wish it brought her down. Most people will support both the 2014 immigration reforms and regret the fact that some Windrush migrants were unfairly affected, which they will they will put down to a combination of politicians from both sides getting it wrong and Home Office incompetence going back decades. They won’t think Theresa May has the Mark of Cain upon her.

Also, the story only lasted one or two news cycles, and there have been too many other things going on this week - like CHOG, the hot weather, or Dale Winton.

Agree, the put down at PMQ's changed the narrative, and the news cycle has moved on. It is still a very sorry, and sad stain on our country.

You should have just seen C4 News just now. Unfortunately, for TMay this one ain't going away anytime soon.

Not sure - May offers immediate help and will address the problem but some in the media are trying to turn this into a race issue which it is not and it must be remembered that the Country wants illegal immigration stopping which was the reason for a tough policy.

MaxPB

ThomasNashe said:

MaxPB said:

ThomasNashe said:

jayfdee said:

Casino_Royale said:

On topic, I suspect May will just about get away with the Windrush scandal, much as her critics wish it brought her down. Most people will support both the 2014 immigration reforms and regret the fact that some Windrush migrants were unfairly affected, which they will they will put down to a combination of politicians from both sides getting it wrong and Home Office incompetence going back decades. They won’t think Theresa May has the Mark of Cain upon her.

Also, the story only lasted one or two news cycles, and there have been too many other things going on this week - like CHOG, the hot weather, or Dale Winton.

Agree, the put down at PMQ's changed the narrative, and the news cycle has moved on. It is still a very sorry, and sad stain on our country.

You should have just seen C4 News just now. Unfortunately, for TMay this one ain't going away anytime soon.

All 17 people will have seen it then.

LOL. Bet you said that about Crick's expose of the Police's stitch-up of Andrew Mitchell.

Yes, where's Andrew Mitchell now? Still on the backbenches.

ThomasNashe

Big_G_NorthWales said:

ThomasNashe said:

jayfdee said:

Casino_Royale said:

On topic, I suspect May will just about get away with the Windrush scandal, much as her critics wish it brought her down. Most people will support both the 2014 immigration reforms and regret the fact that some Windrush migrants were unfairly affected, which they will they will put down to a combination of politicians from both sides getting it wrong and Home Office incompetence going back decades. They won’t think Theresa May has the Mark of Cain upon her.

Also, the story only lasted one or two news cycles, and there have been too many other things going on this week - like CHOG, the hot weather, or Dale Winton.

Agree, the put down at PMQ's changed the narrative, and the news cycle has moved on. It is still a very sorry, and sad stain on our country.

You should have just seen C4 News just now. Unfortunately, for TMay this one ain't going away anytime soon.

Not sure - May offers immediate help and will address the problem but some in the media are trying to turn this into a race issue which it is not and it must be remembered that the Country wants illegal immigration stopping which was the reason for a tough policy.

The point is about the increasing scale of the impact being uncovered. Hundreds of ordinary hard-working British people have had their lives turned upside down by the Home Office in some of the most distressing ways imaginable.

another_richard

ThomasNashe said:

MaxPB said:

ThomasNashe said:

jayfdee said:

Casino_Royale said:

On topic, I suspect May will just about get away with the Windrush scandal, much as her critics wish it brought her down. Most people will support both the 2014 immigration reforms and regret the fact that some Windrush migrants were unfairly affected, which they will they will put down to a combination of politicians from both sides getting it wrong and Home Office incompetence going back decades. They won’t think Theresa May has the Mark of Cain upon her.

Also, the story only lasted one or two news cycles, and there have been too many other things going on this week - like CHOG, the hot weather, or Dale Winton.

Agree, the put down at PMQ's changed the narrative, and the news cycle has moved on. It is still a very sorry, and sad stain on our country.

You should have just seen C4 News just now. Unfortunately, for TMay this one ain't going away anytime soon.

All 17 people will have seen it then.

LOL. Bet you said that about Crick's expose of the Police's stitch-up of Andrew Mitchell.

I'm not sure that did Andrew Mitchell any good in retrospect.

The justice system really disgraced itself there.

another_richard

ThomasNashe said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

ThomasNashe said:

jayfdee said:

Casino_Royale said:

On topic, I suspect May will just about get away with the Windrush scandal, much as her critics wish it brought her down. Most people will support both the 2014 immigration reforms and regret the fact that some Windrush migrants were unfairly affected, which they will they will put down to a combination of politicians from both sides getting it wrong and Home Office incompetence going back decades. They won’t think Theresa May has the Mark of Cain upon her.

Also, the story only lasted one or two news cycles, and there have been too many other things going on this week - like CHOG, the hot weather, or Dale Winton.

Agree, the put down at PMQ's changed the narrative, and the news cycle has moved on. It is still a very sorry, and sad stain on our country.

You should have just seen C4 News just now. Unfortunately, for TMay this one ain't going away anytime soon.

Not sure - May offers immediate help and will address the problem but some in the media are trying to turn this into a race issue which it is not and it must be remembered that the Country wants illegal immigration stopping which was the reason for a tough policy.

The point is about the increasing scale of the impact being uncovered. Hundreds of ordinary hard-working British people have had their lives turned upside down by the Home Office in some of the most distressing ways imaginable.

Wasn't the Home Office officially described as 'not fit for purpose' back in 2006 ?

It seems impossible to reform without mass sackings and that will not happen.

Big_G_NorthWales

ThomasNashe said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

ThomasNashe said:

jayfdee said:

Casino_Royale said:

On topic, I suspect May will just about get away with the Windrush scandal, much as her critics wish it brought her down. Most people will support both the 2014 immigration reforms and regret the fact that some Windrush migrants were unfairly affected, which they will they will put down to a combination of politicians from both sides getting it wrong and Home Office incompetence going back decades. They won’t think Theresa May has the Mark of Cain upon her.

Also, the story only lasted one or two news cycles, and there have been too many other things going on this week - like CHOG, the hot weather, or Dale Winton.

Agree, the put down at PMQ's changed the narrative, and the news cycle has moved on. It is still a very sorry, and sad stain on our country.

You should have just seen C4 News just now. Unfortunately, for TMay this one ain't going away anytime soon.

Not sure - May offers immediate help and will address the problem but some in the media are trying to turn this into a race issue which it is not and it must be remembered that the Country wants illegal immigration stopping which was the reason for a tough policy.

The point is about the increasing scale of the impact being uncovered. Hundreds of ordinary hard-working British people have had their lives turned upside down by the Home Office in some of the most distressing ways imaginable.

Absolutely agree snd it is wrong but in these circumstances the apology was right and the immediate attention to it is also right and tonight it has been confirmed compensation will be paid.

Labours problem is that the public see them, and Corbyn in particular, as wanting open borders and this is starkly against the mood of the nation that wants tough action against illegal immigration which this policy was designed to address

OldKingCole

Yorkcity said:

SquareRoot said:

IanB2 said:

another_richard said:

A thought on retail sales.

If you buy food at a shop and eat it at home that counts as retail sales.

But if you eat at a restaurant that doesn't count as retail sales but as general service sector activity.

In which case the shift towards eating out during the last couple of decades should have had a dampening effect on retail sales growth.

Is that right ?

Even if it's right, drink has been going the other way, with declining sales in pubs and a significant rise in supermarket (and latterly online) buying for consumption at home.

Not surprised, the price of a pint in a pub is getting ludicrously expensive, some lagers are heading towards £6 a pint, beer is 4.50 to 5.00 in lots of places ... no thanks.. I'll visit my micro-brewery and buy it for half that.

You need to find a Sam Smiths pub.They have them in London.Owned by an eccentric gent in Tadcaster.No music , or sports in his establishments but all his own beer , lager and spirits , really cheap.

Was drinking (and eating) in a social club in Mid Essex this lunchtime. The Greene King IPA was £2.50 per pint. It’s at least a £ dearer in most pubs locally.
Food was good too; might not always have made the grade in MasterChef or something like that ..... not fancy enough ........ but it was good food, very well cooked and plenty of it. Six of us in the group, two courses each; bill was under £100, including some, but not much, beer and wine.

OldKingCole

Big_G_NorthWales said:

ThomasNashe said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

ThomasNashe said:

jayfdee said:

Casino_Royale said:

On topic, I suspect May will just about get away with the Windrush scandal, much as her critics wish it brought her down. Most people will support both the 2014 immigration reforms and regret the fact that some Windrush migrants were unfairly affected, which they will they will put down to a combination of politicians from both sides getting it wrong and Home Office incompetence going back decades. They won’t think Theresa May has the Mark of Cain upon her.

Also, the story only lasted one or two news cycles, and there have been too many other things going on this week - like CHOG, the hot weather, or Dale Winton.

Agree, the put down at PMQ's changed the narrative, and the news cycle has moved on. It is still a very sorry, and sad stain on our country.

You should have just seen C4 News just now. Unfortunately, for TMay this one ain't going away anytime soon.

Not sure - May offers immediate help and will address the problem but some in the media are trying to turn this into a race issue which it is not and it must be remembered that the Country wants illegal immigration stopping which was the reason for a tough policy.

The point is about the increasing scale of the impact being uncovered. Hundreds of ordinary hard-working British people have had their lives turned upside down by the Home Office in some of the most distressing ways imaginable.

Absolutely agree snd it is wrong but in these circumstances the apology was right and the immediate attention to it is also right and tonight it has been confirmed compensation will be paid.

Labours problem is that the public see them, and Corbyn in particular, as wanting open borders and this is starkly against the mood of the nation that wants tough action against illegal immigration which this policy was designed to address

The public wants two different things at the same time, doesn’t it. It wants control of immigration but it wants those here legally treated fairly. And it really doesn’t like to see what appear generally to be decent hard-working people given the run around by bureaucrats.

Danny565

Didn't it turn out Andrew Mitchell actually did say "pleb" in the end?

Big_G_NorthWales

OldKingCole said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

ThomasNashe said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

ThomasNashe said:

jayfdee said:

Casino_Royale said:

On topic, I suspect May will just about get away with the Windrush scandal, much as her critics wish it brought her down. Most people will support both the 2014 immigration reforms and regret the fact that some Windrush migrants were unfairly affected, which they will they will put down to a combination of politicians from both sides getting it wrong and Home Office incompetence going back decades. They won’t think Theresa May has the Mark of Cain upon her.

Also, the story only lasted one or two news cycles, and there have been too many other things going on this week - like CHOG, the hot weather, or Dale Winton.

Agree, the put down at PMQ's changed the narrative, and the news cycle has moved on. It is still a very sorry, and sad stain on our country.

You should have just seen C4 News just now. Unfortunately, for TMay this one ain't going away anytime soon.

Not sure - May offers immediate help and will address the problem but some in the media are trying to turn this into a race issue which it is not and it must be remembered that the Country wants illegal immigration stopping which was the reason for a tough policy.

The point is about the increasing scale of the impact being uncovered. Hundreds of ordinary hard-working British people have had their lives turned upside down by the Home Office in some of the most distressing ways imaginable.

Absolutely agree snd it is wrong but in these circumstances the apology was right and the immediate attention to it is also right and tonight it has been confirmed compensation will be paid.

Labours problem is that the public see them, and Corbyn in particular, as wanting open borders and this is starkly against the mood of the nation that wants tough action against illegal immigration which this policy was designed to address

The public wants two different things at the same time, doesn’t it. It wants control of immigration but it wants those here legally treated fairly. And it really doesn’t like to see what appear generally to be decent hard-working people given the run around by bureaucrats.

Well put but labour need to be cafeful not to overplay this and referring the policy to Nazi Germany by Kerslake was crass and offensive

tlg86

OldKingCole said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

ThomasNashe said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

ThomasNashe said:

jayfdee said:

Casino_Royale said:

On topic, I suspect May will just about get away with the Windrush scandal, much as her critics wish it brought her down. Most people will support both the 2014 immigration reforms and regret the fact that some Windrush migrants were unfairly affected, which they will they will put down to a combination of politicians from both sides getting it wrong and Home Office incompetence going back decades. They won’t think Theresa May has the Mark of Cain upon her.

Also, the story only lasted one or two news cycles, and there have been too many other things going on this week - like CHOG, the hot weather, or Dale Winton.

Agree, the put down at PMQ's changed the narrative, and the news cycle has moved on. It is still a very sorry, and sad stain on our country.

You should have just seen C4 News just now. Unfortunately, for TMay this one ain't going away anytime soon.

Not sure - May offers immediate help and will address the problem but some in the media are trying to turn this into a race issue which it is not and it must be remembered that the Country wants illegal immigration stopping which was the reason for a tough policy.

The point is about the increasing scale of the impact being uncovered. Hundreds of ordinary hard-working British people have had their lives turned upside down by the Home Office in some of the most distressing ways imaginable.

Absolutely agree snd it is wrong but in these circumstances the apology was right and the immediate attention to it is also right and tonight it has been confirmed compensation will be paid.

Labours problem is that the public see them, and Corbyn in particular, as wanting open borders and this is starkly against the mood of the nation that wants tough action against illegal immigration which this policy was designed to address

The public wants two different things at the same time, doesn’t it. It wants control of immigration but it wants those here legally treated fairly. And it really doesn’t like to see what appear generally to be decent hard-working people given the run around by bureaucrats.

I'm sorry, but this is really annoying me. The public have every right to expect our politicians and administrators to apply policy and the law competently. It is not contradictory to want immigration law to be applied without anyone here legally to be collateral damage.