Made it to sunny Valencia, the flight was extremely bumpy along the way. Now 5 days of relaxation in the sun with my soon to be wife.
Life tip, never have a big wedding. It's the world's worst idea. Not only are people deciding things without our consent, we're going to end up paying for it all. We've come here to have a bit of calm before we go back and lay down the law. So far the total cost is coming in at £85k, which is, IMO way, way too much money being burned for one day of our lives.
That's 16k less than I sold my house for
From memory, we spent about £16k on our wedding (albeit nine years ago). For that we got an historic warship for the afternoon and evening, entertainment, good food, and a hundred or so friends and family from around the world. Oh, and we paid for a couple of friends to pay in their hotel because they were skint.
We've chatted about this since, and we can't work out any way we could have spent more money to get a better wedding. Then again, Mrs J couldn't even be bothered with flowers for the wedding, and we only got some when the venue insisted. The florist asked us:"Have you decided on a colour scheme for the wedding?" and Mrs J replied: "It's on a f'ing warship!"
Incidentally, £16k was about what it cost me to walk around the coast for a year, and was coincidentally about the same redundancy payment I got before the walk ...
Less than £500 in our case covering dinner for the family, dancing and an evening party. It needs you to do a lot of the work yourself. Everyone thoroughly enjoyed themselves and we're still happily married!
Good on you.
Getting married in a few weeks time, managing to keep it under £7,500. 60 guests at reception a further 50 in the evening... Took some doing to keep it at that price. Second time round for both of us..
Congratulations, and I hope you have a superb day.
LABOUR ACTIVISTS BRAND FIRST BAME HOME SECRETARY “COCONUT” AND “UNCLE TOM”
Sajid Javid’s appointment as the first BAME holder of a Great Office of State has been met with a torrent of vitriol from Labour activists, members, councillors and pro-Corbyn social media fanboys.
The tweets are absolutely disgusting and just leaves one in despair.
What is Corbyn going to do about it
Big shrug.....
Calling someone a Coconut meets the level necessary for a criminal conviction (rightly or wrongly). It is extremely offensive for what lies underneath it.
The term other people use is "choc-ice" I think. Offensive in more ways than one. The most insidious part I think is old fashioned bigotry, that all non-white people cannot hold a political view independent of their race even though (obviously!) they have houses, jobs, children etc.
Made it to sunny Valencia, the flight was extremely bumpy along the way. Now 5 days of relaxation in the sun with my soon to be wife.
Life tip, never have a big wedding. It's the world's worst idea. Not only are people deciding things without our consent, we're going to end up paying for it all. We've come here to have a bit of calm before we go back and lay down the law. So far the total cost is coming in at £85k, which is, IMO way, way too much money being burned for one day of our lives.
That's 16k less than I sold my house for
From memory, we spent about £16k on our wedding (albeit nine years ago). For that we got an historic warship for the afternoon and evening, entertainment, good food, and a hundred or so friends and family from around the world. Oh, and we paid for a couple of friends to pay in their hotel because they were skint.
We've chatted about this since, and we can't work out any way we could have spent more money to get a better wedding. Then again, Mrs J couldn't even be bothered with flowers for the wedding, and we only got some when the venue insisted. The florist asked us:"Have you decided on a colour scheme for the wedding?" and Mrs J replied: "It's on a f'ing warship!"
Incidentally, £16k was about what it cost me to walk around the coast for a year, and was coincidentally about the same redundancy payment I got before the walk ...
You can put on a very good wedding spending £100-150 per guest. I don’t see why you need to spend more.
There’s a base cost, and then it’s about keeping the guest list reasonable, in our case a max of 100.
Made it to sunny Valencia, the flight was extremely bumpy along the way. Now 5 days of relaxation in the sun with my soon to be wife.
Life tip, never have a big wedding. It's the world's worst idea. Not only are people deciding things without our consent, we're going to end up paying for it all. We've come here to have a bit of calm before we go back and lay down the law. So far the total cost is coming in at £85k, which is, IMO way, way too much money being burned for one day of our lives.
That's 16k less than I sold my house for
From memory, we spent about £16k on our wedding (albeit nine years ago). For that we got an historic warship for the afternoon and evening, entertainment, good food, and a hundred or so friends and family from around the world. Oh, and we paid for a couple of friends to pay in their hotel because they were skint.
We've chatted about this since, and we can't work out any way we could have spent more money to get a better wedding. Then again, Mrs J couldn't even be bothered with flowers for the wedding, and we only got some when the venue insisted. The florist asked us:"Have you decided on a colour scheme for the wedding?" and Mrs J replied: "It's on a f'ing warship!"
Incidentally, £16k was about what it cost me to walk around the coast for a year, and was coincidentally about the same redundancy payment I got before the walk ...
Less than £500 in our case covering dinner for the family, dancing and an evening party. It needs you to do a lot of the work yourself. Everyone thoroughly enjoyed themselves and we're still happily married!
Good on you.
Getting married in a few weeks time, managing to keep it under £7,500. 60 guests at reception a further 50 in the evening... Took some doing to keep it at that price. Second time round for both of us..
Congratulations, and I hope you have a superb day.
thanks, she votes labour, is a remainer and a vegan feminist... I'm more Ron Swanson... Tory, leave voting carnivore..
YouTube stars are being paid to sell academic cheating, a BBC investigation has found. More than 250 channels are promoting EduBirdie, based in the Ukraine, which allows students to buy essays, rather than doing the work themselves. "
There are cubicles in all the mens loos I use. And if you’re suggesting what I think you’re suggesting it wasn’t unknown in my student days, although very rare, for a young man and a young woman to go into the same cubicle. As I am assured also happens on aeroplanes, although given the space in most that I’ve travelled on.....
Ahhh, the mile high club.
Now, have you heard of the half mile high club?
It's like the mile high club, but with half the number of people.
I’ve never believed this is a real thing.
I’ve never got near a toilet without a queue or being seen by lots of passengers and, when you get there, there are stewards milling around.
Even if you did, the cubicles are barely big enough for one person, let alone two.
I’m particularly interested in the delta of c.25% who feel they have someone to talk to or are close to people but who feel lonely and that their relationships are not meaningful.
A lot of superficial friendships / relationships in play?
Re the Tories issue with the NHS being priced in, this is why I also can’t see this having an affect either: https://twitter.com/hackneyabbott/status/991272850953834497 Those who tend to rely on the NHS tend to be older voters who are hardcore Tories, if the NHS Winter crisis didn’t waver their support, this certainly won’t.
I cannot see any sense in this. TM is wrong
I also don’t agree with TMay’s stance on this. I doubt most members of the public will care though.
I've seen women brazenly walk into men's toilets lots of times in order to avoid the long queues at the female facilities. One example was at the NEC about five years ago.
There are never enough womens loos at public places. Never. There need to be about 4 times as many as there are for men. There's all sorts of stuff we need to do in there for which we need time and space. And we can't go round the back of the theatre and pee against a wall either.
Not easily, at any rate.
It is one of those things where you wonder why it is such a seemingly persistent issue - so many places the loos are of equal floorspace, is it so hard to just set aside more room for the ladies' room so they can fit more in? Apparently so.
In my clubbing days back in the golden era of house in the 1990s, Mixmag magazine used the number of ladies’ loos as a key ranking criteria. They performed multiple functions, so needed to be generously sized, well appointed and numerous. In the best clubs, the ladies were where it was at.
I’m particularly interested in the delta of c.25% who feel they have someone to talk to or are close to people but who feel lonely and that their relationships are not meaningful.
A lot of superficial friendships / relationships in play?
Made it to sunny Valencia, the flight was extremely bumpy along the way. Now 5 days of relaxation in the sun with my soon to be wife.
Life tip, never have a big wedding. It's the world's worst idea. Not only are people deciding things without our consent, we're going to end up paying for it all. We've come here to have a bit of calm before we go back and lay down the law. So far the total cost is coming in at £85k, which is, IMO way, way too much money being burned for one day of our lives.
That's 16k less than I sold my house for
From memory, we spent about £16k on our wedding (albeit nine years ago). For that we got an historic warship for the afternoon and evening, entertainment, good food, and a hundred or so friends and family from around the world. Oh, and we paid for a couple of friends to pay in their hotel because they were skint.
We've chatted about this since, and we can't work out any way we could have spent more money to get a better wedding. Then again, Mrs J couldn't even be bothered with flowers for the wedding, and we only got some when the venue insisted. The florist asked us:"Have you decided on a colour scheme for the wedding?" and Mrs J replied: "It's on a f'ing warship!"
Incidentally, £16k was about what it cost me to walk around the coast for a year, and was coincidentally about the same redundancy payment I got before the walk ...
Less than £500 in our case covering dinner for the family, dancing and an evening party. It needs you to do a lot of the work yourself. Everyone thoroughly enjoyed themselves and we're still happily married!
Good on you.
Getting married in a few weeks time, managing to keep it under £7,500. 60 guests at reception a further 50 in the evening... Took some doing to keep it at that price. Second time round for both of us..
Congratulations, and I hope you have a superb day.
thanks, she votes labour, is a remainer and a vegan feminist... I'm more Ron Swanson... Tory, leave voting carnivore..
When I met Mrs J she was a vegetarian who would never live with anyone, never wanted to learn to drive, never wanted to get married, never wanted to buy a house, and never wanted kids.
Fourteen years later, she drives, is married, owns a house and has a child. And she's pescetarian for health reasons.
Made it to sunny Valencia, the flight was extremely bumpy along the way. Now 5 days of relaxation in the sun with my soon to be wife.
Life tip, never have a big wedding. It's the world's worst idea. Not only are people deciding things without our consent, we're going to end up paying for it all. We've come here to have a bit of calm before we go back and lay down the law. So far the total cost is coming in at £85k, which is, IMO way, way too much money being burned for one day of our lives.
That's 16k less than I sold my house for
From memory, we spent about £16k on our wedding (albeit nine years ago). For that we got an historic warship for the afternoon and evening, entertainment, good food, and a hundred or so friends and family from around the world. Oh, and we paid for a couple of friends to pay in their hotel because they were skint.
We've chatted about this since, and we can't work out any way we could have spent more money to get a better wedding. Then again, Mrs J couldn't even be bothered with flowers for the wedding, and we only got some when the venue insisted. The florist asked us:"Have you decided on a colour scheme for the wedding?" and Mrs J replied: "It's on a f'ing warship!"
Incidentally, £16k was about what it cost me to walk around the coast for a year, and was coincidentally about the same redundancy payment I got before the walk ...
You can put on a very good wedding spending £100-150 per guest. I don’t see why you need to spend more.
There’s a base cost, and then it’s about keeping the guest list reasonable, in our case a max of 100.
Again from memory, the majority of the cost of our wedding was in the venue. We saw that as good value, as our money would help preserve an historic artefact.
In fact, I'm surprised more steam railways don't do weddings ...
I’m particularly interested in the delta of c.25% who feel they have someone to talk to or are close to people but who feel lonely and that their relationships are not meaningful.
A lot of superficial friendships / relationships in play?
Have a nice day...
I haven’t tried, but I’m not sure I would enjoy settling in the USA.
Re the Tories issue with the NHS being priced in, this is why I also can’t see this having an affect either: https://twitter.com/hackneyabbott/status/991272850953834497 Those who tend to rely on the NHS tend to be older voters who are hardcore Tories, if the NHS Winter crisis didn’t waver their support, this certainly won’t.
I cannot see any sense in this. TM is wrong
I also don’t agree with TMay’s stance on this. I doubt most members of the public will care though.
I've seen women brazenly walk into men's toilets lots of times in order to avoid the long queues at the female facilities. One example was at the NEC about five years ago.
There are never enough womens loos at public places. Never. There need to be about 4 times as many as there are for men. There's all sorts of stuff we need to do in there for which we need time and space. And we can't go round the back of the theatre and pee against a wall either.
Not easily, at any rate.
It is one of those things where you wonder why it is such a seemingly persistent issue - so many places the loos are of equal floorspace, is it so hard to just set aside more room for the ladies' room so they can fit more in? Apparently so.
In my clubbing days back in the golden era of house in the 1990s, Mixmag magazine used the number of ladies’ loos as a key ranking criteria. They performed multiple functions, so needed to be generously sized, well appointed and numerous. In the best clubs, the ladies were where it was at.
Having talked to many friends about their weddings, I reckon the key to a cheap and happy wedding is:
1) Keep family and friends out of the key arrangements. Do what the two of you want, not what other people want you to do. 2) Never, every buy a wedding magazine. That way madness lies.
"Do what the two of you want" - very Western notion of marriage, in fact sums up Western culture - all about self (plus one) and nothing else!
Re the Tories issue with the NHS being priced in, this is why I also can’t see this having an affect either: https://twitter.com/hackneyabbott/status/991272850953834497 Those who tend to rely on the NHS tend to be older voters who are hardcore Tories, if the NHS Winter crisis didn’t waver their support, this certainly won’t.
I cannot see any sense in this. TM is wrong
I also don’t agree with TMay’s stance on this. I doubt most members of the public will care though.
I've seen women brazenly walk into men's toilets lots of times in order to avoid the long queues at the female facilities. One example was at the NEC about five years ago.
There are never enough womens loos at public places. Never. There need to be about 4 times as many as there are for men. There's all sorts of stuff we need to do in there for which we need time and space. And we can't go round the back of the theatre and pee against a wall either.
Not easily, at any rate.
It is one of those things where you wonder why it is such a seemingly persistent issue - so many places the loos are of equal floorspace, is it so hard to just set aside more room for the ladies' room so they can fit more in? Apparently so.
In my clubbing days back in the golden era of house in the 1990s, Mixmag magazine used the number of ladies’ loos as a key ranking criteria. They performed multiple functions, so needed to be generously sized, well appointed and numerous. In the best clubs, the ladies were where it was at.
Your first sentence: those were the days.
They certainly were. Culturally we have been stuck in various shades of mediocre ever since.
Having talked to many friends about their weddings, I reckon the key to a cheap and happy wedding is:
1) Keep family and friends out of the key arrangements. Do what the two of you want, not what other people want you to do. 2) Never, every buy a wedding magazine. That way madness lies.
"Do what the two of you want" - very Western notion of marriage, in fact sums up Western culture - all about self (plus one) and nothing else!
Asian weddings (and culture) so different...
As are many, particularly when it comes to weddings. I feel, though, that unless one is seeing it as at least in part a religious affair (where certain expectations will surely apply), then even though a bit less self consideration would be good in society generally, a wedding is surely one of the times it really can be all about the two people involved. Why should their moment be taken up with the expectations of other people and their issues?
Made it to sunny Valencia, the flight was extremely bumpy along the way. Now 5 days of relaxation in the sun with my soon to be wife.
Life tip, never have a big wedding. It's the world's worst idea. Not only are people deciding things without our consent, we're going to end up paying for it all. We've come here to have a bit of calm before we go back and lay down the law. So far the total cost is coming in at £85k, which is, IMO way, way too much money being burned for one day of our lives.
That's 16k less than I sold my house for
From memory, we spent about £16k on our wedding (albeit nine years ago). For that we got an historic warship for the afternoon and evening, entertainment, good food, and a hundred or so friends and family from around the world. Oh, and we paid for a couple of friends to pay in their hotel because they were skint.
We've chatted about this since, and we can't work out any way we could have spent more money to get a better wedding. Then again, Mrs J couldn't even be bothered with flowers for the wedding, and we only got some when the venue insisted. The florist asked us:"Have you decided on a colour scheme for the wedding?" and Mrs J replied: "It's on a f'ing warship!"
Incidentally, £16k was about what it cost me to walk around the coast for a year, and was coincidentally about the same redundancy payment I got before the walk ...
You can put on a very good wedding spending £100-150 per guest. I don’t see why you need to spend more.
There’s a base cost, and then it’s about keeping the guest list reasonable, in our case a max of 100.
Again from memory, the majority of the cost of our wedding was in the venue. We saw that as good value, as our money would help preserve an historic artefact.
In fact, I'm surprised more steam railways don't do weddings ...
I think they do actually but they perhaps don’t/can’t advertise as broadly.
Having talked to many friends about their weddings, I reckon the key to a cheap and happy wedding is:
1) Keep family and friends out of the key arrangements. Do what the two of you want, not what other people want you to do. 2) Never, every buy a wedding magazine. That way madness lies.
"Do what the two of you want" - very Western notion of marriage, in fact sums up Western culture - all about self (plus one) and nothing else!
Re the Tories issue with the NHS being priced in, this is why I also can’t see this having an affect either: https://twitter.com/hackneyabbott/status/991272850953834497 Those who tend to rely on the NHS tend to be older voters who are hardcore Tories, if the NHS Winter crisis didn’t waver their support, this certainly won’t.
I cannot see any sense in this. TM is wrong
I also don’t agree with TMay’s stance on this. I doubt most members of the public will care though.
I've seen women brazenly walk into men's toilets lots of times in order to avoid the long queues at the female facilities. One example was at the NEC about five years ago.
There are never enough womens loos at public places. Never. There need to be about 4 times as many as there are for men. There's all sorts of stuff we need to do in there for which we need time and space. And we can't go round the back of the theatre and pee against a wall either.
Not easily, at any rate.
It is one of those things where you wonder why it is such a seemingly persistent issue - so many places the loos are of equal floorspace, is it so hard to just set aside more room for the ladies' room so they can fit more in? Apparently so.
In my clubbing days back in the golden era of house in the 1990s, Mixmag magazine used the number of ladies’ loos as a key ranking criteria. They performed multiple functions, so needed to be generously sized, well appointed and numerous. In the best clubs, the ladies were where it was at.
Your first sentence: those were the days.
They certainly were. Culturally we have been stuck in various shades of mediocre ever since.
As I recall, a lot of people now regard the 1990s as a bit shit in a great many ways, compared the the 80s and 00's. Each to their own, I grew up in the 90s and so have a lot of nostalgia for the period, but the idea we've been stuck in mediocrity ever since is, I think, unlikely to be any more true than someone insisting the same, but about the 80s, including the 90s in the mediocrity.
Made it to sunny Valencia, the flight was extremely bumpy along the way. Now 5 days of relaxation in the sun with my soon to be wife.
Life tip, never have a big wedding. It's the world's worst idea. Not only are people deciding things without our consent, we're going to end up paying for it all. We've come here to have a bit of calm before we go back and lay down the law. So far the total cost is coming in at £85k, which is, IMO way, way too much money being burned for one day of our lives.
As the father of 2 daughters in their 20s this was one of the most depressing posts I have read on PB. Just madness.
Re the Tories issue with the NHS being priced in, this is why I also can’t see this having an affect either: https://twitter.com/hackneyabbott/status/991272850953834497 Those who tend to rely on the NHS tend to be older voters who are hardcore Tories, if the NHS Winter crisis didn’t waver their support, this certainly won’t.
I cannot see any sense in this. TM is wrong
I also don’t agree with TMay’s stance on this. I doubt most members of the public will care though.
I've seen women brazenly walk into men's toilets lots of times in order to avoid the long queues at the female facilities. One example was at the NEC about five years ago.
There are never enough womens loos at public places. Never. There need to be about 4 times as many as there are for men. There's all sorts of stuff we need to do in there for which we need time and space. And we can't go round the back of the theatre and pee against a wall either.
Not easily, at any rate.
It is one of those things where you wonder why it is such a seemingly persistent issue - so many places the loos are of equal floorspace, is it so hard to just set aside more room for the ladies' room so they can fit more in? Apparently so.
In my clubbing days back in the golden era of house in the 1990s, Mixmag magazine used the number of ladies’ loos as a key ranking criteria. They performed multiple functions, so needed to be generously sized, well appointed and numerous. In the best clubs, the ladies were where it was at.
Your first sentence: those were the days.
They certainly were. Culturally we have been stuck in various shades of mediocre ever since.
As I recall, a lot of people now regard the 1990s as a bit shit in a great many ways, compared the the 80s and 00's. Each to their own, I grew up in the 90s and so have a lot of nostalgia for the period, but the idea we've been stuck in mediocrity ever since is, I think, unlikely to be any more true than someone insisting the same, but about the 80s, including the 90s in the mediocrity.
If I accused you of over-generalising (despite the styling-mousse) would you be ok?
Re the Tories issue with the NHS being priced in, this is why I also can’t see this having an affect either: https://twitter.com/hackneyabbott/status/991272850953834497 Those who tend to rely on the NHS tend to be older voters who are hardcore Tories, if the NHS Winter crisis didn’t waver their support, this certainly won’t.
I cannot see any sense in this. TM is wrong
I also don’t agree with TMay’s stance on this. I doubt most members of the public will care though.
I've seen women brazenly walk into men's toilets lots of times in order to avoid the long queues at the female facilities. One example was at the NEC about five years ago.
r.
Not easily, at any rate.
In my clubbing days back in the golden era of house in the 1990s, Mixmag magazine used the number of ladies’ loos as a key ranking criteria. They performed multiple functions, so needed to be generously sized, well appointed and numerous. In the best clubs, the ladies were where it was at.
Your first sentence: those were the days.
They certainly were. Culturally we have been stuck in various shades of mediocre ever since.
As I recall, a lot of people now regard the 1990s as a bit shit in a great many ways, compared the the 80s and 00's. Each to their own, I grew up in the 90s and so have a lot of nostalgia for the period, but the idea we've been stuck in mediocrity ever since is, I think, unlikely to be any more true than someone insisting the same, but about the 80s, including the 90s in the mediocrity.
I have this theory that culture hasn't really moved on since 1995. Technology has, but culture hasn't. Lookat telly from the late 90s - it doesn't look that much different from today. Certainly not as different as telly from 1978 would look tosomeone from 1998. Similarly, popular music isn't tremendously different now to 20 years ago - and certainly a lot less different to going back another 20 years. At kids parties nowadays, many of the same staples from our youth get trotted out - YMCA, superman, etc. You wouldn't have had them playing songs from the 40s at kids parties in the 70s.
Having talked to many friends about their weddings, I reckon the key to a cheap and happy wedding is:
1) Keep family and friends out of the key arrangements. Do what the two of you want, not what other people want you to do. 2) Never, every buy a wedding magazine. That way madness lies.
"Do what the two of you want" - very Western notion of marriage, in fact sums up Western culture - all about self (plus one) and nothing else!
Asian weddings (and culture) so different...
But IME equally flawed in other ways.
True - not saying one is better than the other.
I guess the Asian cultural emphasis is towards family and community. Again, not saying this is better than the Western emphasis on self - it's just different.
Having talked to many friends about their weddings, I reckon the key to a cheap and happy wedding is:
1) Keep family and friends out of the key arrangements. Do what the two of you want, not what other people want you to do. 2) Never, every buy a wedding magazine. That way madness lies.
"Do what the two of you want" - very Western notion of marriage, in fact sums up Western culture - all about self (plus one) and nothing else!
Asian weddings (and culture) so different...
I agree, a wedding is a public act and requires an appropriate amount of community support. While obviously the 2 getting married have the greatest say, there does need to be consideration of others. There are many ways to do this, religious or non religious, without it turning into Bridezilla vs the world. The modern wedding does seem to have evolved into a competitive consumerist act.
Perhaps the best wedding that I went to was in a small chapel, with the parents catering the food, and all the guests camped in the garden. Mind you, I was a student at the time, and so was she.
Re the Tories issue with the NHS being priced in, this is why I also can’t see this having an affect either: https://twitter.com/hackneyabbott/status/991272850953834497 Those who tend to rely on the NHS tend to be older voters who are hardcore Tories, if the NHS Winter crisis didn’t waver their support, this certainly won’t.
I cannot see any sense in this. TM is wrong
I also don’t agree with TMay’s stance on this. I doubt most members of the public will care though.
I've seen women brazenly walk into men's toilets lots of times in order to avoid the long queues at the female facilities. One example was at the NEC about five years ago.
r.
Not easily, at any rate.
In my clubbing days back in the golden era of house in the 1990s, Mixmag magazine used the number of ladies’ loos as a key ranking criteria. They performed multiple functions, so needed to be generously sized, well appointed and numerous. In the best clubs, the ladies were where it was at.
Your first sentence: those were the days.
They certainly were. Culturally we have been stuck in various shades of mediocre ever since.
As I recall, a lot of people now regard the 1990s as a bit shit in a great many ways, compared the the 80s and 00's. Each to their own, I grew up in the 90s and so have a lot of nostalgia for the period, but the idea we've been stuck in mediocrity ever since is, I think, unlikely to be any more true than someone insisting the same, but about the 80s, including the 90s in the mediocrity.
I have this theory that culture hasn't really moved on since 1995. Technology has, but culture hasn't. Lookat telly from the late 90s - it doesn't look that much different from today. Certainly not as different as telly from 1978 would look tosomeone from 1998. Similarly, popular music isn't tremendously different now to 20 years ago - and certainly a lot less different to going back another 20 years. At kids parties nowadays, many of the same staples from our youth get trotted out - YMCA, superman, etc. You wouldn't have had them playing songs from the 40s at kids parties in the 70s.
Having talked to many friends about their weddings, I reckon the key to a cheap and happy wedding is:
1) Keep family and friends out of the key arrangements. Do what the two of you want, not what other people want you to do. 2) Never, every buy a wedding magazine. That way madness lies.
"Do what the two of you want" - very Western notion of marriage, in fact sums up Western culture - all about self (plus one) and nothing else!
Asian weddings (and culture) so different...
But IME equally flawed in other ways.
True - not saying one is better than the other.
I guess the Asian cultural emphasis is towards family and community. Again, not saying this is better than the Western emphasis on self - it's just different.
Fairy nuff. It's just that IMO a wedding is about (or at least, should be) two people committing to each other for life. They're the focus - and the only involvement of other people is to celebrate that, not control it.
Tonight I came home to an envelope titled changes to bin collection dates and council tax. Inside was a Conservative leaflet highlighting forthrightly bin collections and higher council tax in neighbouring Labour boroughs. It is the third local election I have experienced living in Barnet and never before have I received so many election communications. Both parties are fighting for it.
Re the Tories issue with the NHS being priced in, this is why I also can’t see this having an affect either: https://twitter.com/hackneyabbott/status/991272850953834497 Those who tend to rely on the NHS tend to be older voters who are hardcore Tories, if the NHS Winter crisis didn’t waver their support, this certainly won’t.
I cannot see any sense in this. TM is wrong
I also don’t agree with TMay’s stance on this. I doubt most members of the public will care though.
I've seen women brazenly walk into men's toilets lots of times in order to avoid the long queues at the female facilities. One example was at the NEC about five years ago.
There are never enough womens loos at public places. Never. There need to be about 4 times as many as there are for men. There's all sorts of stuff we need to do in there for which we need time and space. And we can't go round the back of the theatre and pee against a wall either.
Not easily, at any rate.
It is one of those things where you wonder why it is such a seemingly persistent issue - so many places the loos are of equal floorspace, is it so hard to just set aside more room for the ladies' room so they can fit more in? Apparently so.
In my clubbing days back in the golden era of house in the 1990s, Mixmag magazine used the number of ladies’ loos as a key ranking criteria. They performed multiple functions, so needed to be generously sized, well appointed and numerous. In the best clubs, the ladies were where it was at.
Your first sentence: those were the days.
They certainly were. Culturally we have been stuck in various shades of mediocre ever since.
As I recall, a lot of people now regard the 1990s as a bit shit in a great many ways, compared the the 80s and 00's. Each to their own, I grew up in the 90s and so have a lot of nostalgia for the period, but the idea we've been stuck in mediocrity ever since is, I think, unlikely to be any more true than someone insisting the same, but about the 80s, including the 90s in the mediocrity.
Make a soundtrack of 80s greatest: upbeat, celebratory, sexy.
Make a soundtrack of 90s greatest: anxious, maudlin, atomised.
Yet the 90s was the end of history, the great moderation. No longer under threat of nuclear war.
Having talked to many friends about their weddings, I reckon the key to a cheap and happy wedding is:
1) Keep family and friends out of the key arrangements. Do what the two of you want, not what other people want you to do. 2) Never, every buy a wedding magazine. That way madness lies.
"Do what the two of you want" - very Western notion of marriage, in fact sums up Western culture - all about self (plus one) and nothing else!
Asian weddings (and culture) so different...
But IME equally flawed in other ways.
True - not saying one is better than the other.
I guess the Asian cultural emphasis is towards family and community. Again, not saying this is better than the Western emphasis on self - it's just different.
A couple of Indian chaps came over to work in an office I worked in once. They knew that more marriages in the west were, as they called them 'love marriages' (i.e. not arranged by parents), but were incredulous that love marriages were the norm. One of them came to a wedding I went to, and was also amazed and delighted that ceilidhs happened in real life.
Made it to sunny Valencia, the flight was extremely bumpy along the way. Now 5 days of relaxation in the sun with my soon to be wife.
Life tip, never have a big wedding. It's the world's worst idea. Not only are people deciding things without our consent, we're going to end up paying for it all. We've come here to have a bit of calm before we go back and lay down the law. So far the total cost is coming in at £85k, which is, IMO way, way too much money being burned for one day of our lives.
As the father of 2 daughters in their 20s this was one of the most depressing posts I have read on PB. Just madness.
Not sure kids will be able to afford marriage when they grow up. Certainly I didn’t. Put all my available readies into a mortgage deposit instead.
We’ll get married “properly” when we’re a bit older.
Re the Tories issue with the NHS being priced in, this is why I also can’t see this having an affect either: https://twitter.com/hackneyabbott/status/991272850953834497 Those who tend to rely on the NHS tend to be older voters who are hardcore Tories, if the NHS Winter crisis didn’t waver their support, this certainly won’t.
I cannot see any sense in this. TM is wrong
I also don’t agree with TMay’s stance on this. I doubt most members of the public will care though.
I've seen women brazenly walk into men's toilets lots of times in order to avoid the long queues at the female facilities. One example was at the NEC about five years ago.
r.
Not easily, at any rate.
In my clubbing days back in the golden era of house in the 1990s, Mixmag magazine used the number of ladies’ loos as a key ranking criteria. They performed multiple functions, so needed to be generously sized, well appointed and numerous. In the best clubs, the ladies were where it was at.
Your first sentence: those were the days.
They certainly were. Culturally we have been stuck in various shades of mediocre ever since.
As I recall, a lot of people now regard the 1990s as a bit shit in a great many ways, compared the the 80s and 00's. Each to their own, I grew up in the 90s and so have a lot of nostalgia for the period, but the idea we've been stuck in mediocrity ever since is, I think, unlikely to be any more true than someone insisting the same, but about the 80s, including the 90s in the mediocrity.
I have this theory that culture hasn't really moved on since 1995. Technology has, but culture hasn't. Lookat telly from the late 90s - it doesn't look that much different from today. Certainly not as different as telly from 1978 would look tosomeone from 1998. Similarly, popular music isn't tremendously different now to 20 years ago - and certainly a lot less different to going back another 20 years. At kids parties nowadays, many of the same staples from our youth get trotted out - YMCA, superman, etc. You wouldn't have had them playing songs from the 40s at kids parties in the 70s.
Jesus Christ, heard of the Internet?
I saidc culture, not technology. The medium has changed, but tastes are remarkably samey.
Re the Tories issue with the NHS being priced in, this is why I also can’t see this having an affect either: https://twitter.com/hackneyabbott/status/991272850953834497 Those who tend to rely on the NHS tend to be older voters who are hardcore Tories, if the NHS Winter crisis didn’t waver their support, this certainly won’t.
I cannot see any sense in this. TM is wrong
I also don’t agree with TMay’s stance on this. I doubt most members of the public will care though.
I've seen women brazenly walk into men's toilets lots of times in order to avoid the long queues at the female facilities. One example was at the NEC about five years ago.
r.
Not easily, at any rate.
In my clubbing days back in the golden era of house in the 1990s, Mixmag magazine used the number of ladies’ loos as a key ranking criteria. They performed multiple functions, so needed to be generously sized, well appointed and numerous. In the best clubs, the ladies were where it was at.
Your first sentence: those were the days.
They certainly were. Culturally we have been stuck in various shades of mediocre ever since.
y.
I have this theory that culture hasn't really moved on since 1995. Technology has, but culture hasn't. Lookat telly from the late 90s - it doesn't look that much different from today. Certainly not as different as telly from 1978 would look tosomeone from 1998. Similarly, popular music isn't tremendously different now to 20 years ago - and certainly a lot less different to going back another 20 years. At kids parties nowadays, many of the same staples from our youth get trotted out - YMCA, superman, etc. You wouldn't have had them playing songs from the 40s at kids parties in the 70s.
Jesus Christ, heard of the Internet?
I saidc culture, not technology.
In the digital age, culture = technology.
In fact, the reason YMCA is still being played is that it’s more available than ever before. Simultaneously, digital non-scarcity has stripped modern pop of any meaning so new stuff fails to resonate.
I've seen women brazenly walk into men's toilets lots of times in order to avoid the long queues at the female facilities. One example was at the NEC about five years ago.
r.
Not easily, at any rate.
In my clubbing days back in the golden era of house in the 1990s, Mixmag magazine used the number of ladies’ loos as a key ranking criteria. They performed multiple functions, so needed to be generously sized, well appointed and numerous. In the best clubs, the ladies were where it was at.
Your first sentence: those were the days.
They certainly were. Culturally we have been stuck in various shades of mediocre ever since.
As I recall, a lot of people now regard the 1990s as a bit shit in a great many ways, compared the the 80s and 00's. Each to their own, I grew up in the 90s and so have a lot of nostalgia for the period, but the idea we've been stuck in mediocrity ever since is, I think, unlikely to be any more true than someone insisting the same, but about the 80s, including the 90s in the mediocrity.
I have this theory that culture hasn't really moved on since 1995. Technology has, but culture hasn't. Lookat telly from the late 90s - it doesn't look that much different from today. Certainly not as different as telly from 1978 would look tosomeone from 1998. Similarly, popular music isn't tremendously different now to 20 years ago - and certainly a lot less different to going back another 20 years. At kids parties nowadays, many of the same staples from our youth get trotted out - YMCA, superman, etc. You wouldn't have had them playing songs from the 40s at kids parties in the 70s.
Jesus Christ, heard of the Internet?
Tell us of one thing that is in any sense 'culture' produced since 1995.
(I'm not disagreeing with you, but it is a tough question. Examples of Architecture would be my answer, but I'm far from comfortable that I would in any way answer the question that way. So, your turn)
I've seen women brazenly walk into men's toilets lots of times in order to avoid the long queues at the female facilities. One example was at the NEC about five years ago.
r.
Not easily, at any rate.
In my clubbing days back in the golden era of house in the 1990s, Mixmag magazine used the number of ladies’ loos as a key ranking criteria. They performed multiple functions, so needed to be generously sized, well appointed and numerous. In the best clubs, the ladies were where it was at.
Your first sentence: those were the days.
They certainly were. Culturally we have been stuck in various shades of mediocre ever since.
As I recall, a lot of people now regard the 1990s as a bit shit in a great many ways, compared the the 80s and 00's. Each to their own, I grew up in the 90s and so have a lot of nostalgia for the period, but the idea we've been stuck in mediocrity ever since is, I think, unlikely to be any more true than someone insisting the same, but about the 80s, including the 90s in the mediocrity.
I have this theory that culture hasn't really moved on since 1995. Technology has, but culture hasn't. Lookat telly from the late 90s - it doesn't look that much different from today. Certainly not as different as telly from 1978 would look tosomeone from 1998. Similarly, popular music isn't tremendously different now to 20 years ago - and certainly a lot less different to going back another 20 years. At kids parties nowadays, many of the same staples from our youth get trotted out - YMCA, superman, etc. You wouldn't have had them playing songs from the 40s at kids parties in the 70s.
Jesus Christ, heard of the Internet?
Tell us of one thing that is in any sense 'culture' produced since 1995.
(I'm not disagreeing with you, but it is a tough question. Examples of Architecture would be my answer, but I'm far from comfortable that I would in any way answer the question that way. So, your turn)
I don’t understand the question. Are you asking for great cultural achievements post 1995?
Re the Tories issue with the NHS being priced in, this is why I also can’t see this having an affect either: https://twitter.com/hackneyabbott/status/991272850953834497 Those who tend to rely on the NHS tend to be older voters who are hardcore Tories, if the NHS Winter crisis didn’t waver their support, this certainly won’t.
I cannot see any sense in this. TM is wrong
I also don’t agree with TMay’s stance on this. I doubt most members of the public will care though.
I've seen women brazenly walk into men's toilets lots of times in order to avoid the long queues at the female facilities. One example was at the NEC about five years ago.
r.
Not easily, at any rate.
Your first sentence: those were the days.
They certainly were. Culturally we have been stuck in various shades of mediocre ever since.
y.
I have this theory that culture hasn't really moved on since 1995. Technology has, but culture hasn't. Lookat telly from the late 90s - it doesn't look that much different from today. Certainly not as different as telly from 1978 would look tosomeone from 1998. Similarly, popular music isn't tremendously different now to 20 years ago - and certainly a lot less different to going back another 20 years. At kids parties nowadays, many of the same staples from our youth get trotted out - YMCA, superman, etc. You wouldn't have had them playing songs from the 40s at kids parties in the 70s.
Jesus Christ, heard of the Internet?
I saidc culture, not technology.
In the digital age, culture = technology.
In fact, the reason YMCA is still being played is that it’s more available than ever before. Simultaneously, digital non-scarcity has stripped modern pop of any meaning so new stuff fails to resonate.
Good point. I maintain that tastes have changed surprisingly little. That may well be why - we aren't having neophiles forcing usto change our tastes;we have the freedom to continue to like what we always did.
Tell us of one thing that is in any sense 'culture' produced since 1995.
(I'm not disagreeing with you, but it is a tough question. Examples of Architecture would be my answer, but I'm far from comfortable that I would in any way answer the question that way. So, your turn)
I don’t understand the question. Are you asking for great cultural achievements post 1995?
Made it to sunny Valencia, the flight was extremely bumpy along the way. Now 5 days of relaxation in the sun with my soon to be wife.
Life tip, never have a big wedding. It's the world's worst idea. Not only are people deciding things without our consent, we're going to end up paying for it all. We've come here to have a bit of calm before we go back and lay down the law. So far the total cost is coming in at £85k, which is, IMO way, way too much money being burned for one day of our lives.
That's 16k less than I sold my house for
From memory, we spent about £16k on our wedding (albeit nine years ago). For that we got an historic warship for the afternoon and evening, entertainment, good food, and a hundred or so friends and family from around the world. Oh, and we paid for a couple of friends to pay in their hotel because they were skint.
We've chatted about this since, and we can't work out any way we could have spent more money to get a better wedding. Then again, Mrs J couldn't even be bothered with flowers for the wedding, and we only got some when the venue insisted. The florist asked us:"Have you decided on a colour scheme for the wedding?" and Mrs J replied: "It's on a f'ing warship!"
Incidentally, £16k was about what it cost me to walk around the coast for a year, and was coincidentally about the same redundancy payment I got before the walk ...
You can put on a very good wedding spending £100-150 per guest. I don’t see why you need to spend more.
There’s a base cost, and then it’s about keeping the guest list reasonable, in our case a max of 100.
Again from memory, the majority of the cost of our wedding was in the venue. We saw that as good value, as our money would help preserve an historic artefact.
In fact, I'm surprised more steam railways don't do weddings ...
Re the Tories issue with the NHS being priced in, this is why I also can’t see this having an affect either: https://twitter.com/hackneyabbott/status/991272850953834497 Those who tend to rely on the NHS tend to be older voters who are hardcore Tories, if the NHS Winter crisis didn’t waver their support, this certainly won’t.
I cannot see any sense in this. TM is wrong
I also don’t agree with TMay’s stance on this. I doubt most members of the public will care though.
I've seen women brazenly walk into men's toilets lots of times in order to avoid the long queues at the female facilities. One example was at the NEC about five years ago.
r.
Not easily, at any rate.
Your first sentence: those were the days.
They certainly were. Culturally we have been stuck in various shades of mediocre ever since.
y.
I have this theory that culture hasn't really moved on since 1995. Technology has, but cu
Jesus Christ, heard of the Internet?
I saidc culture, not technology.
In the digital age, culture = technology.
In fact, the reason YMCA is still being played is that it’s more available than ever before. Simultaneously, digital non-scarcity has stripped modern pop of any meaning so new stuff fails to resonate.
Good point. I maintain that tastes have changed surprisingly little. That may well be why - we aren't having neophiles forcing usto change our tastes;we have the freedom to continue to like what we always did.
I’m an old person now (nearly 40) and so I guess my tastes are not radically different from those of my teenage / early 20s self.
I still love in no particular order, Shakespeare, Motown, modernist architecture, Goya, Browning, Fellini, Philip Roth, Brideshead Revisted on TV, and Dylan.
If pushed on let’s say Desert Island artefacts from recent times I might cite “The Wire”, the movies of Paul Thomas Anderson and Michael Haneke, and the Knausgaard novel series.
But I would find it difficult to suggest that today’s 20 year olds don’t have quite sharply different tastes and artistic criteria.
Re the Tories issue with the NHS being priced in, this is why I also can’t see this having an affect either: https://twitter.com/hackneyabbott/status/991272850953834497 Those who tend to rely on the NHS tend to be older voters who are hardcore Tories, if the NHS Winter crisis didn’t waver their support, this certainly won’t.
I cannot see any sense in this. TM is wrong
I also don’t agree with TMay’s stance on this. I doubt most members of the public will care though.
I've seen women brazenly walk into men's toilets lots of times in order to avoid the long queues at the female facilities. One example was at the NEC about five years ago.
There are never enough womens loos at public places. Never. There need to be about 4 times as many as there are for men. There's all sorts of stuff we need to do in there for which we need time and space. And we can't go round the back of the theatre and pee against a wall either.
Not easily, at any rate.
It is one of those things where you wonder why it is such a seemingly persistent issue - so many places the loos are of equal floorspace, is it so hard to just set aside more room for the ladies' room so they can fit more in? Apparently so.
In my clubbing days back in the golden era of house in the 1990s, Mixmag magazine used the number of ladies’ loos as a key ranking criteria. They performed multiple functions, so needed to be generously sized, well appointed and numerous. In the best clubs, the ladies were where it was at.
Your first sentence: those were the days.
They certainly were. Culturally we have been stuck in various shades of mediocre ever since.
As I recall, a lot of people now regard the 1990s as a bit shit in a great many ways, compared the the 80s and 00's. Each to their own, I grew up in the 90s and so have a lot of nostalgia for the period, but the idea we've been stuck in mediocrity ever since is, I think, unlikely to be any more true than someone insisting the same, but about the 80s, including the 90s in the mediocrity.
If I accused you of over-generalising (despite the styling-mousse) would you be ok?
Why wouldn't I be? I just find it silly when people get dramatic about apparent cultural degradation since [insert favoured culture here].
I've seen women brazenly walk into men's toilets lots of times in order to avoid the long queues at the female facilities. One example was at the NEC about five years ago.
There are never enough womens loos at public places. Never. There need to be about 4 times as many as there are for men. There's all sorts of stuff we need to do in there for which we need time and space. And we can't go round the back of the theatre and pee against a wall either.
It’s a universal problem, whose consequences are more severe elsewhere: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-41999792 (Though India is making significant efforts to improve sanitation.)
Having talked to many friends about their weddings, I reckon the key to a cheap and happy wedding is:
1) Keep family and friends out of the key arrangements. Do what the two of you want, not what other people want you to do. 2) Never, every buy a wedding magazine. That way madness lies.
"Do what the two of you want" - very Western notion of marriage, in fact sums up Western culture - all about self (plus one) and nothing else!
Asian weddings (and culture) so different...
But IME equally flawed in other ways.
True - not saying one is better than the other.
I guess the Asian cultural emphasis is towards family and community. Again, not saying this is better than the Western emphasis on self - it's just different.
No, Indian and other Asian weddings are now just an exercise of dick measuring by the parents. How much money can they waste in pointless shit and how many guests can they invite to show that they have a wide social circle.
My partner and I are getting married because we love each other and want to take our relationship to the next level by committing to something, my parents and her mum want to show off with our money.
Asian weddings are wasteful and tasteless. I'm looking forward to cutting the guest list down to size, cutting out the pointless shit and if anyone complains I'll just go to a church and then take everyone to a bar for the night.
It is morally wrong that people waste so much on weddings and the Asian community should reflect on this ridiculous tradition of having the "best wedding of the summer" competition that all our parents want to get involved in.
I've seen women brazenly walk into men's toilets lots of times in order to avoid the long queues at the female facilities. One example was at the NEC about five years ago.
r.
Not easily, at any rate.
In my clubbing days back in the golden era of house in the 1990s, Mixmag magazine used the number of ladies’ loos as a key ranking criteria. They performed multiple functions, so needed to be generously sized, well appointed and numerous. In the best clubs, the ladies were where it was at.
Your first sentence: those were the days.
They certainly were. Culturally we have been stuck in various shades of mediocre ever since.
As I recall, a lot of people now regard the 1990s as a bit shit in a great many ways, compared the the 80s and 00's. Each to their own, I grew up in the 90s and so have a lot of nostalgia for the period, but the idea we've been stuck in mediocrity ever since is, I think, unlikely to be any more true than someone insisting the same, but about the 80s, including the 90s in the mediocrity.
I have this theory that culture hasn't really moved on since 1995. Technology has, but culture hasn't. Lookat telly from the late 90s - it doesn't look that much different from today. Certainly not as different as telly from 1978 would look tosomeone from 1998. Similarly, popular music isn't tremendously different now to 20 years ago - and certainly a lot less different to going back another 20 years. At kids parties nowadays, many of the same staples from our youth get trotted out - YMCA, superman, etc. You wouldn't have had them playing songs from the 40s at kids parties in the 70s.
Jesus Christ, heard of the Internet?
Tell us of one thing that is in any sense 'culture' produced since 1995.
(I'm not disagreeing with you, but it is a tough question. Examples of Architecture would be my answer, but I'm far from comfortable that I would in any way answer the question that way. So, your turn)
Made it to sunny Valencia, the flight was extremely bumpy along the way. Now 5 days of relaxation in the sun with my soon to be wife.
Life tip, never have a big wedding. It's the world's worst idea. Not only are people deciding things without our consent, we're going to end up paying for it all. We've come here to have a bit of calm before we go back and lay down the law. So far the total cost is coming in at £85k, which is, IMO way, way too much money being burned for one day of our lives.
That's 16k less than I sold my house for
From memory, we spent about £16k on our wedding (albeit nine years ago). For that we got an historic warship for the afternoon and evening, entertainment, good food, and a hundred or so friends and family from around the world. Oh, and we paid for a couple of friends to pay in their hotel because they were skint.
We've chatted about this since, and we can't work out any way we could have spent more money to get a better wedding. Then again, Mrs J couldn't even be bothered with flowers for the wedding, and we only got some when the venue insisted. The florist asked us:"Have you decided on a colour scheme for the wedding?" and Mrs J replied: "It's on a f'ing warship!"
Incidentally, £16k was about what it cost me to walk around the coast for a year, and was coincidentally about the same redundancy payment I got before the walk ...
You can put on a very good wedding spending £100-150 per guest. I don’t see why you need to spend more.
There’s a base cost, and then it’s about keeping the guest list reasonable, in our case a max of 100.
Again from memory, the majority of the cost of our wedding was in the venue. We saw that as good value, as our money would help preserve an historic artefact.
In fact, I'm surprised more steam railways don't do weddings ...
On the toilet issue, there is another scenario: Offices with equal provision that are then occupied by engineering companies with an 80% male workforce.
From experience, the ratios can be much worse than that
I've seen women brazenly walk into men's toilets lots of times in order to avoid the long queues at the female facilities. One example was at the NEC about five years ago.
There are never enough womens loos at public places. Never. There need to be about 4 times as many as there are for men. There's all sorts of stuff we need to do in there for which we need time and space. And we can't go round the back of the theatre and pee against a wall either.
Not easily, at any rate.
It is one of those things where you wonder why it is such a seemingly persistent issue - so many places the loos are of equal floorspace, is it so hard to just set aside more room for the ladies' room so they can fit more in? Apparently so.
In my clubbing days back in the golden era of house in the 1990s, Mixmag magazine used the number of ladies’ loos as a key ranking criteria. They performed multiple functions, so needed to be generously sized, well appointed and numerous. In the best clubs, the ladies were where it was at.
Your first sentence: those were the days.
They certainly were. Culturally we have been stuck in various shades of mediocre ever since.
As I recall, a lot of people now regard the 1990s as a bit shit in a great many ways, compared the the 80s and 00's. Each to their own, I grew up in the 90s and so have a lot of nostalgia for the period, but the idea we've been stuck in mediocrity ever since is, I think, unlikely to be any more true than someone insisting the same, but about the 80s, including the 90s in the mediocrity.
If I accused you of over-generalising (despite the styling-mousse) would you be ok?
Why wouldn't I be? I just find it silly when people get dramatic about apparent cultural degradation since [insert favoured culture here].
LABOUR ACTIVISTS BRAND FIRST BAME HOME SECRETARY “COCONUT” AND “UNCLE TOM”
Sajid Javid’s appointment as the first BAME holder of a Great Office of State has been met with a torrent of vitriol from Labour activists, members, councillors and pro-Corbyn social media fanboys.
The tweets are absolutely disgusting and just leaves one in despair.
What is Corbyn going to do about it
Big shrug.....
Calling someone a Coconut meets the level necessary for a criminal conviction (rightly or wrongly). It is extremely offensive for what lies underneath it.
The term other people use is "choc-ice" I think. Offensive in more ways than one. The most insidious part I think is old fashioned bigotry, that all non-white people cannot hold a political view independent of their race even though (obviously!) they have houses, jobs, children etc.
That is interesting. The Bristol case seems to have an offender incapable of computing that people from 'minorities' can be racist, as well as being 'victims'. Similar in a way to the Rhodes Must Go lot not being able to understand the racist elements of their campaigns, or the people in denial about Corbyn's working hand-in-glove with antisemites for decades, as well as seeming to be an example of "kinder, gentler politics".
I am sure similar points could be made against the right in some respects.
There was a peculiar Lib Dem on at lunchtime who had problems acknowledging that there are some problematic aspects to traditional Islam, and having demanded evidence which was provided resorted to the "but, but Christianity" diversion.
A few police reports and convictions would perhaps be a useful learning experience for self-defined "progressives".
Made it to sunny Valencia, the flight was extremely bumpy along the way. Now 5 days of relaxation in the sun with my soon to be wife.
Life tip, never have a big wedding. It's the world's worst idea. Not only are people deciding things without our consent, we're going to end up paying for it all. We've come here to have a bit of calm before we go back and lay down the law. So far the total cost is coming in at £85k, which is, IMO way, way too much money being burned for one day of our lives.
That's 16k less than I sold my house for
From memory, we spent about £16k on our wedding (albeit nine years ago). For that we got an historic warship for the afternoon and evening, entertainment, good food, and a hundred or so friends and family from around the world. Oh, and we paid for a couple of friends to pay in their hotel because they were skint.
We've chatted about this since, and we can't work out any way we could have spent more money to get a better wedding. Then again, Mrs J couldn't even be bothered with flowers for the wedding, and we only got some when the venue insisted. The florist asked us:"Have you decided on a colour scheme for the wedding?" and Mrs J replied: "It's on a f'ing warship!"
Incidentally, £16k was about what it cost me to walk around the coast for a year, and was coincidentally about the same redundancy payment I got before the walk ...
Less than £500 in our case covering dinner for the family, dancing and an evening party. It needs you to do a lot of the work yourself. Everyone thoroughly enjoyed themselves and we're still happily married!
Good on you.
Getting married in a few weeks time, managing to keep it under £7,500. 60 guests at reception a further 50 in the evening... Took some doing to keep it at that price. Second time round for both of us..
Congratulations, and I hope you have a superb day.
I got married 15 years ago. We had 120 guests and the National Liberal charged us no more than £7k for the catering and full use of the restaurant, bar, terrace, and Smoking Room, and the food was excellent.
Oh dear! "President Trump will be our greatest ally after Brexit"
Jacob Rees-Mogg @Jacob_Rees_Mogg As the UK changes its focus to our global rather than regional interests so the relationship with the US is crucial. President Trump will be our greatest ally after Brexit The planned visit of the President of the United States, Donald Trump, to the United Kingdom ... more
I also don’t agree with TMay’s stance on this. I doubt most members of the public will care though.
Maybe. I think it has potential though.
Not easily, at any rate.
In my clubbing days back in the golden era of house in the 1990s, Mixmag magazine used the number of ladies’ loos as a key ranking criteria. They performed multiple functions, so needed to be generously sized, well appointed and numerous. In the best clubs, the ladies were where it was at.
Your first sentence: those were the days.
They certainly were. Culturally we have been stuck in various shades of mediocre ever since.
As I recall, a lot of people now regard the 1990s as a bit shit in a great many ways, compared the the 80s and 00's. Each to their own, I grew up in the 90s and so have a lot of nostalgia for the period, but the idea we've been stuck in mediocrity ever since is, I think, unlikely to be any more true than someone insisting the same, but about the 80s, including the 90s in the mediocrity.
I have this theory that culture hasn't really moved on since 1995. Technology has, but culture hasn't. Lookat telly from the late 90s - it doesn't look that much different from today. Certainly not as different as telly from 1978 would look tosomeone from 1998. Similarly, popular music isn't tremendously different now to 20 years ago - and certainly a lot less different to going back another 20 years. At kids parties nowadays, many of the same staples from our youth get trotted out - YMCA, superman, etc. You wouldn't have had them playing songs from the 40s at kids parties in the 70s.
Jesus Christ, heard of the Internet?
Tell us of one thing that is in any sense 'culture' produced since 1995.
(I'm not disagreeing with you, but it is a tough question. Examples of Architecture would be my answer, but I'm far from comfortable that I would in any way answer the question that way. So, your turn)
Instagramming your meal...
So I had hoped, by cleverness of argument, to help Mr GW out of his quandry, however Mr JD it now seems that my help may be best deployed attending to your oddities... So, pull yourself together!
Tell us of one thing that is in any sense 'culture' produced since 1995.
(I'm not disagreeing with you, but it is a tough question. Examples of Architecture would be my answer, but I'm far from comfortable that I would in any way answer the question that way. So, your turn)
I don’t understand the question. Are you asking for great cultural achievements post 1995?
Yes
Ah, but we live in the great age of TV. The Wire, Sopranos, Man Men and Breaking Bad are all classics, equal or better to Dennis Potter or Steven Bochco in their prime. I believe post-95 also encompasses Seinfeld, The Office, and Curb Your Enthusiasm.
Film, especially non-US foreign film, has been strong. I won’t bore you with a list but see the post upthread. Also, it’s a great era for documentary film.
I’m not well qualified, but I think it’s also been a strong period for dance (Pina Bausch) and contemporary art (but more the German school than the crappy Brit-artists and Koons).
Pop music has declined rapidly. In fact, it’s been downhill since 1967 — but OK Computer (99) is one of the greatest albums of all time. The novel seems to be going the same way, but I cited Knausgaard above. McEwan and the 80s cadre are still going strong. There’s interesting work coming out the Brooklyn-based n+1 movement...
I’d say “Hey Ya”, “Happy”, “Get Ur Freak On”, and “Song 2” are all better than YMCA.
I've seen women brazenly walk into men's toilets lots of times in order to avoid the long queues at the female facilities. One example was at the NEC about five years ago.
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Not easily, at any rate.
In my clubbing days back in the golden era of house in the 1990s, Mixmag magazine used the number of ladies’ loos as a key ranking criteria. They performed multiple functions, so needed to be generously sized, well appointed and numerous. In the best clubs, the ladies were where it was at.
Your first sentence: those were the days.
They certainly were. Culturally we have been stuck in various shades of mediocre ever since.
As I recall, a lot of people now regard the 1990s as a bit shit in a great many ways, compared the the 80s and 00's. Each to their own, I grew up in the 90s and so have a lot of nostalgia for the period, but the idea we've been stuck in mediocrity ever since is, I think, unlikely to be any more true than someone insisting the same, but about the 80s, including the 90s in the mediocrity.
I have this theory that culture hasn't really moved on since 1995. Technology has, but culture hasn't. Lookat telly from the late 90s - it doesn't look that much different from today. Certainly not as different as telly from 1978 would look tosomeone from 1998. Similarly, popular music isn't tremendously different now to 20 years ago - and certainly a lot less different to going back another 20 years. At kids parties nowadays, many of the same staples from our youth get trotted out - YMCA, superman, etc. You wouldn't have had them playing songs from the 40s at kids parties in the 70s.
Jesus Christ, heard of the Internet?
Tell us of one thing that is in any sense 'culture' produced since 1995.
I'd say high-quality TV dramas with a less episodic focus is a hallmark of recent years, and was significantly contributed to by online streaming services. Or did you mean high culture?
Having talked to many friends about their weddings, I reckon the key to a cheap and happy wedding is:
1) Keep family and friends out of the key arrangements. Do what the two of you want, not what other people want you to do. 2) Never, every buy a wedding magazine. That way madness lies.
"Do what the two of you want" - very Western notion of marriage, in fact sums up Western culture - all about self (plus one) and nothing else!
Asian weddings (and culture) so different...
But IME equally flawed in other ways.
True - not saying one is better than the other.
I guess the Asian cultural emphasis is towards family and community. Again, not saying this is better than the Western emphasis on self - it's just different.
No, Indian and other Asian weddings are now just an exercise of dick measuring by the parents. How much money can they waste in pointless shit and how many guests can they invite to show that they have a wide social circle.
My partner and I are getting married because we love each other and want to take our relationship to the next level by committing to something, my parents and her mum want to show off with our money.
Asian weddings are wasteful and tasteless. I'm looking forward to cutting the guest list down to size, cutting out the pointless shit and if anyone complains I'll just go to a church and then take everyone to a bar for the night.
It is morally wrong that people waste so much on weddings and the Asian community should reflect on this ridiculous tradition of having the "best wedding of the summer" competition that all our parents want to get involved in.
It may have become a wasteful exercise (as all weddings in this material capitalist world we live in nowadays) but that doesn't take away from the fact an Asian wedding is about the two families not exclusively about the two people getting married.
Tell us of one thing that is in any sense 'culture' produced since 1995.
(I'm not disagreeing with you, but it is a tough question. Examples of Architecture would be my answer, but I'm far from comfortable that I would in any way answer the question that way. So, your turn)
I don’t understand the question. Are you asking for great cultural achievements post 1995?
Yes
Ah, but we live in the great age of TV. The Wire, Sopranos, Man Men and Breaking Bad are all classics, equal or better to Dennis Potter or Steven Bochco in their prime. I believe post-95 also encompasses Seinfeld, The Office, and Curb Your Enthusiasm.
Film, especially non-US foreign film, has been strong. I won’t bore you with a list but see the post upthread. Also, it’s a great era for documentary film.
I’m not well qualified, but I think it’s also been a strong period for dance (Pina Bausch) and contemporary art (but more the German school than the crappy Brit-artists and Koons).
Pop music has declined rapidly. In fact, it’s been downhill since 1967 — but OK Computer (99) is one of the greatest albums of all time. The novel seems to be going the same way, but I cited Knausgaard above. McEwan and the 80s cadre are still going strong. There’s interesting work coming out the Brooklyn-based n+1 movement...
I’d say “Hey Ya”, “Happy”, “Get Ur Freak On”, and “Song 2” are all better than YMCA.
'The Wire' I'll give you. I'm not sure about all the rest. However thank you for actually addressing the question so well. It's a tough question, and I'd really struggle to respond even half as well as you have. Bausch - yeah maybe. I'm hugely enthused by the explosion of available novels - in there somewhere are gems. However the 'culture' isn't all about that. 'Starbucks' is our culture, and of course all the rest of the brands too.
Tell us of one thing that is in any sense 'culture' produced since 1995.
(I'm not disagreeing with you, but it is a tough question. Examples of Architecture would be my answer, but I'm far from comfortable that I would in any way answer the question that way. So, your turn)
I don’t understand the question. Are you asking for great cultural achievements post 1995?
Yes
Ah, but we live in the great age of TV. The Wire, Sopranos, Man Men and Breaking Bad are all classics, equal or better to Dennis Potter or Steven Bochco in their prime. I believe post-95 also encompasses Seinfeld, The Office, and Curb Your Enthusiasm.
Film, especially non-US foreign film, has been strong. I won’t bore you with a list but see the post upthread. Also, it’s a great era for documentary film.
I’m not well qualified, but I think it’s also been a strong period for dance (Pina Bausch) and contemporary art (but more the German school than the crappy Brit-artists and Koons).
Pop music has declined rapidly. In fact, it’s been downhill since 1967 — but OK Computer (99) is one of the greatest albums of all time. The novel seems to be going the same way, but I cited Knausgaard above. McEwan and the 80s cadre are still going strong. There’s interesting work coming out the Brooklyn-based n+1 movement...
I’d say “Hey Ya”, “Happy”, “Get Ur Freak On”, and “Song 2” are all better than YMCA.
I think literature is doing fine at the moment. I agree about the TV shows.
Having talked to many friends about their weddings, I reckon the key to a cheap and happy wedding is:
1) Keep family and friends out of the key arrangements. Do what the two of you want, not what other people want you to do. 2) Never, every buy a wedding magazine. That way madness lies.
"Do what the two of you want" - very Western notion of marriage, in fact sums up Western culture - all about self (plus one) and nothing else!
Asian weddings (and culture) so different...
I agree, a wedding is a public act and requires an appropriate amount of community support. While obviously the 2 getting married have the greatest say, there does need to be consideration of others. There are many ways to do this, religious or non religious, without it turning into Bridezilla vs the world. The modern wedding does seem to have evolved into a competitive consumerist act.
Perhaps the best wedding that I went to was in a small chapel, with the parents catering the food, and all the guests camped in the garden. Mind you, I was a student at the time, and so was she.
We borrowed the chapel my grandpa got married in, used my office for the reception, my cousins did the wine and got the food and flowers from two friends of my wife (professional but gave us mates rates). Kept the whole thing under £20k (plus £10k for the honeymoon) and paid for it ourselves.
OK my wedding story: engagement to wedding in 6 months; 55 people invited; did the invites myself; in our local church married by the priest who went to the same school as me and who used to carry my books home sometimes; organist was my husband’s music teacher; really delicious meal in a country restaurant then off to the US for our honeymoon. Whole thing done for under £5K. Was lots of fun and a nice mix of family and friends.
In the time some people have for their engagements we managed to have 2 children.
I've seen women brazenly walk into men's toilets lots of times in order to avoid the long queues at the female facilities. One example was at the NEC about five years ago.
r.
Not easily, at any rate.
Your first sentence: those were the days.
They certainly were. Culturally we have been stuck in various shades of mediocre ever since.
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I have this theory that culture hasn't really moved on since 1995. Technology has, but cu
Jesus Christ, heard of the Internet?
I saidc culture, not technology.
In the digital age, culture = technology.
In fact, the reason YMCA is still being played is that it’s more available than ever before. Simultaneously, digital non-scarcity has stripped modern pop of any meaning so new stuff fails to resonate.
Good point. I maintain that tastes have changed surprisingly little. That may well be why - we aren't having neophiles forcing usto change our tastes;we have the freedom to continue to like what we always did.
I’m an old person now (nearly 40) and so I guess my tastes are not radically different from those of my teenage / early 20s self.
I still love in no particular order, Shakespeare, Motown, modernist architecture, Goya, Browning, Fellini, Philip Roth, Brideshead Revisted on TV, and Dylan.
If pushed on let’s say Desert Island artefacts from recent times I might cite “The Wire”, the movies of Paul Thomas Anderson and Michael Haneke, and the Knausgaard novel series.
But I would find it difficult to suggest that today’s 20 year olds don’t have quite sharply different tastes and artistic criteria.
My English teacher was obsessed with Keats and we spent almost the entire year doing his sonnets. By the time the exams were coming around I really couldn’t stand them any more. In the week before the exam we did My Last Duchess by Browning. I loved it, and not just because it wasn’t a bloody sonnet. In fact I still love it. That is what I answered on.
Decree absolute to remarriage in about five weeks... registry office, Church vows, friends and immediate family to the Royal Berkshire for reception, champagne, lots of it, off to France in the car, hovercraft, barn in the Dordogne, wood stove, rustic bed... it’s better second time round, trust me
Decree absolute to remarriage in about five weeks... registry office, Church vows, friends and immediate family to the Royal Berkshire for reception, champagne, lots of it, off to France in the car, hovercraft, barn in the Dordogne, wood stove, rustic bed... it’s better second time round, trust me
We had my younger daughter’s 21st in a nightclub in Edinburgh on Saturday. My dear wife of 32 years was the life and soul of the party getting the young things up and dancing. Always believed in getting it right first time myself.
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I have been saying that since 2010 TBF
There’s a base cost, and then it’s about keeping the guest list reasonable, in our case a max of 100.
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I’ve never got near a toilet without a queue or being seen by lots of passengers and, when you get there, there are stewards milling around.
Even if you did, the cubicles are barely big enough for one person, let alone two.
A lot of superficial friendships / relationships in play?
Fourteen years later, she drives, is married, owns a house and has a child. And she's pescetarian for health reasons.
I destroyed her life.
You'd have to be pretty quick - cruising altitude is 7 miles up, they're only 1 mile high for short periods :-)
In fact, I'm surprised more steam railways don't do weddings ...
Asian weddings (and culture) so different...
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Former chief financial officer Sushovan Hussain was found guilty of artificially inflating the firm's financial position before it was sold."
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At kids parties nowadays, many of the same staples from our youth get trotted out - YMCA, superman, etc. You wouldn't have had them playing songs from the 40s at kids parties in the 70s.
I guess the Asian cultural emphasis is towards family and community. Again, not saying this is better than the Western emphasis on self - it's just different.
Perhaps the best wedding that I went to was in a small chapel, with the parents catering the food, and all the guests camped in the garden. Mind you, I was a student at the time, and so was she.
Tonight I came home to an envelope titled changes to bin collection dates and council tax. Inside was a Conservative leaflet highlighting forthrightly bin collections and higher council tax in neighbouring Labour boroughs. It is the third local election I have experienced living in Barnet and never before have I received so many election communications. Both parties are fighting for it.
Make a soundtrack of 90s greatest: anxious, maudlin, atomised.
Yet the 90s was the end of history, the great moderation. No longer under threat of nuclear war.
I wonder if someone’s written a thesis on this.
One of them came to a wedding I went to, and was also amazed and delighted that ceilidhs happened in real life.
We’ll get married “properly” when we’re a bit older.
In fact, the reason YMCA is still being played is that it’s more available than ever before. Simultaneously, digital non-scarcity has stripped modern pop of any meaning so new stuff fails to resonate.
(I'm not disagreeing with you, but it is a tough question. Examples of Architecture would be my answer, but I'm far from comfortable that I would in any way answer the question that way. So, your turn)
Are you asking for great cultural achievements post 1995?
Butterley is licensed for Weddings
http://www.midlandrailway-butterley.co.uk/weddings/
And Peak Rail is for receptions on the steam train
http://www.peakrail.co.uk/palatinerestaurant/
Or you can go to the National Tramway Museum
http://swpp.co.uk/wedding_venues/15527.htm
:-)
I still love in no particular order, Shakespeare, Motown, modernist architecture, Goya, Browning, Fellini, Philip Roth, Brideshead Revisted on TV, and Dylan.
If pushed on let’s say Desert Island artefacts from recent times I might cite “The Wire”, the movies of Paul Thomas Anderson and Michael Haneke, and the Knausgaard novel series.
But I would find it difficult to suggest that today’s 20 year olds don’t have quite sharply different tastes and artistic criteria.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-41999792
(Though India is making significant efforts to improve sanitation.)
My partner and I are getting married because we love each other and want to take our relationship to the next level by committing to something, my parents and her mum want to show off with our money.
Asian weddings are wasteful and tasteless. I'm looking forward to cutting the guest list down to size, cutting out the pointless shit and if anyone complains I'll just go to a church and then take everyone to a bar for the night.
It is morally wrong that people waste so much on weddings and the Asian community should reflect on this ridiculous tradition of having the "best wedding of the summer" competition that all our parents want to get involved in.
I am sure similar points could be made against the right in some respects.
There was a peculiar Lib Dem on at lunchtime who had problems acknowledging that there are some problematic aspects to traditional Islam, and having demanded evidence which was provided resorted to the "but, but Christianity" diversion.
A few police reports and convictions would perhaps be a useful learning experience for self-defined "progressives".
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As the UK changes its focus to our global rather than regional interests so the relationship with the US is crucial.
President Trump will be our greatest ally after Brexit
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The Wire, Sopranos, Man Men and Breaking Bad are all classics, equal or better to Dennis Potter or Steven Bochco in their prime. I believe post-95 also encompasses Seinfeld, The Office, and Curb Your Enthusiasm.
Film, especially non-US foreign film, has been strong. I won’t bore you with a list but see the post upthread. Also, it’s a great era for documentary film.
I’m not well qualified, but I think it’s also been a strong period for dance (Pina Bausch) and contemporary art (but more the German school than the crappy Brit-artists and Koons).
Pop music has declined rapidly. In fact, it’s been downhill since 1967 — but OK Computer (99) is one of the greatest albums of all time. The novel seems to be going the same way, but I cited Knausgaard above. McEwan and the 80s cadre are still going strong. There’s interesting work coming out the Brooklyn-based n+1 movement...
I’d say “Hey Ya”, “Happy”, “Get Ur Freak On”, and “Song 2” are all better than YMCA.
PS Your answer was far better than my question
In the time some people have for their engagements we managed to have 2 children.