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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,672
    Elliot said:

    Roger said:

    DavidL said:

    Roger said:

    Has anyone managed to extricate Boris's head from Donald's derriere yet? If not it might be a good time for Mrs May to make her move......

    Struggling with your description. Did he not go to the US to try and talk Trump from repudiating the Iran agreement, even if he failed? If he thought a little flattery would make his message more palatable I don't think he can be blamed for trying.
    Pathetic and humiliating. International watchers must have been squirming
    Amazing you didn't describe Macron in the same way.
    Or Merkel....one a head of state, the other a head of government - who both met Trump personally.....how humiliating is that?
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891

    Roger said:

    DavidL said:

    Roger said:

    Has anyone managed to extricate Boris's head from Donald's derriere yet? If not it might be a good time for Mrs May to make her move......

    Struggling with your description. Did he not go to the US to try and talk Trump from repudiating the Iran agreement, even if he failed? If he thought a little flattery would make his message more palatable I don't think he can be blamed for trying.
    Pathetic and humiliating. International watchers must have been squirming
    you seem particularly tetchy today Roger, maybe its time to change your mohel
    A man went into a shop and asked for a bag of potatoes.

    'I'm very sorry but I don't sell potatoes. I'm a mohel'

    'Then why the have you got potatoes in your window?

    'Well what do you want me to have in my window?'
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908
    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:


    Germans realising all those bankers don't want to go to Frankfurt, or more particularly their wives wont go.


    https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/plus176183769/Brexit-Ehefrauen-von-Londoner-Bankern-vereint-gegen-Frankfurt.html

    Two or three good bars and a whopping bonus and bankers will go anywhere. Just a Frankfurter journo who doesn't want them doing to frankfurt what they've done to london
    Michael Lewis, in Liar's Poker, considered that one should not underestimate the importance of shopping opportunities, when banks decide to locate in London. Frankfurt doesn't have the shops.
    If bankers move to Frankfurt - expensive shops won't be far behind. Wonders of capitalism etc.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,848

    ydoethur said:

    AndyJS said:

    48% for Labour in Lewisham East at the local elections wasn't exactly a crushing performance. They could potentially lose the seat with 45%.

    The local CLP is dominated by moderates. If the NEC imposes a Momentum-backed candidate it could spark the kind of row that might make things interesting, while once again opening up questions about exactly how the far left defines internal Labour democracy. It should be a safe Labour hold, though.

    Unless Labour split and field two candidates or put forward somebody with questions to answer on child sex abuse - something really crazy like that - there is surely no way they can lose Lewisham.
    Didn't Ken Livingstone say that he fancies a return to Parliament?

    Ken Livingstone, chosen to contest Lewisham East, gives his first TV interview:

    "All I was trying to say, Andrew, was that Hitler wasn't all bad. Okay, he went a bit OTT with the Holocaust, I accept that. But, he built the autobahns, and council houses, and gave cheap holidays for the workers, with strength through joy. He separated the church and State. And he was a great artist."
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754
    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Has anyone managed to extricate Boris's head from Donald's derriere yet? If not it might be a good time for Mrs May to make her move......

    National embarrassment No 1

    https://ntknetwork.com/boris-johnson-trump-deserves-nobel-peace-prize-if-he-solves-nk-iran/

    Boris cant get his head in there atm as theres a Macron lodged in it
    At least Macron met the President. BoJo couldn't get close enough to kiss arse.
    wow, Donald made time for Emmanuel in between tweeting about porn stars

    meanwhile neither France Germany or the UK changed his mind.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,005
    rkrkrk said:

    ydoethur said:

    rkrkrk said:

    IanB2 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Still not convinced local elections are a very useful guide to a general election, particularly post-Brexit.

    This graph clearly shows Corbyn doing worse than Miliband, Kinnock or Michael Foot.
    But in the recent GE he did much better than all of them.

    They tell us that Labour isn't riding triumphant over everyone else right now. And that last year's GE had as much to do with the Tory campaign as the Labour one. They also hint at some diminishing returns of having an army of people knocking on doors. But not much more.
    Points 1 and 3 were obvious well before the local election I would argue.
    Point 2 I'm still not sure about. Clearly the Tories made missteps, but so did Labour, and at the end of the day both got enough votes they would normally expect to win a majority.
    I remain convinced that Labour's manifesto was a big positive for the party.
    I'm still disappointed that having promised free ownership of utilities, free university education, free school meals, free road building and free housing, they didn't go the whole hog and promise free unicorns.
    All pretty standard European social democrat policies - with the exception of housing which is more innovative yet seems to be working well in Finland:
    https://www.theguardian.com/housing-network/2017/mar/22/finland-solved-homelessness-eu-crisis-housing-first
    Even in the Nordic countries they do not nationalise everything in site
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,005
    rkrkrk said:

    Still not convinced local elections are a very useful guide to a general election, particularly post-Brexit.

    This graph clearly shows Corbyn doing worse than Miliband, Kinnock or Michael Foot.
    But in the recent GE he did much better than all of them.

    In seat terms Kinnock got more seats in 1992 than Corbyn did though, even if a lower voteshare.

    Blair and Cameron also had large leads in local elections before they won power
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,745
    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    AndyJS said:

    48% for Labour in Lewisham East at the local elections wasn't exactly a crushing performance. They could potentially lose the seat with 45%.

    The local CLP is dominated by moderates. If the NEC imposes a Momentum-backed candidate it could spark the kind of row that might make things interesting, while once again opening up questions about exactly how the far left defines internal Labour democracy. It should be a safe Labour hold, though.

    Unless Labour split and field two candidates or put forward somebody with questions to answer on child sex abuse - something really crazy like that - there is surely no way they can lose Lewisham.
    Didn't Ken Livingstone say that he fancies a return to Parliament?

    Ken Livingstone, chosen to contest Lewisham East, gives his first TV interview:

    "All I was trying to say, Andrew, was that Hitler wasn't all bad. Okay, he went a bit OTT with the Holocaust, I accept that. But, he built the autobahns, and council houses, and gave cheap holidays for the workers, with strength through joy. He separated the church and State. And he was a great artist."
    "...Mr Livingston, the question was about affordable housing"

    "Oh. Well, my understanding is that Hitler's policy on that..."
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:
    What we say we like and what we actually vote for are different. A lot of people pointed out Javids chances of becoming leader would be inhibited by being bald, as bald men disproportionately lose elections due to attractiveness bias.
    People say they want honesty. What they really want is for politicians to tell them what they want to hear, and for that to be true too.
    Yep. Similarly people want good news and no-one gets credit for a gloomy prediction, even when prescient.
    That of course has always been true. Look at the unfortunate Cassandra.
    Hmm...Always? Winston Churchill - "I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat."
    You've missed out the last section;

    'You ask, what is our aim? It is victory.'

    Edit: you might also have added that when he correctly stated the country couldn't afford to implement the Beveridge report immediately, he lost to the Labour Party, who claimed it oculus but had to use Marshall Aid to make it happen.
    Do I gather that the young people you teach are now involved with exams, and you have more free time?
    Sadly not yet. Exams start today and kick off properly next week.

    I hope you had some good free time over the big day though and were not too disheartened by Essex's rare stumble to Yorkshire.
    Thank you. I had an excellent day with much of my family present.
    Happy belated birthday!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,005
    rkrkrk said:

    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:


    Germans realising all those bankers don't want to go to Frankfurt, or more particularly their wives wont go.


    https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/plus176183769/Brexit-Ehefrauen-von-Londoner-Bankern-vereint-gegen-Frankfurt.html

    Two or three good bars and a whopping bonus and bankers will go anywhere. Just a Frankfurter journo who doesn't want them doing to frankfurt what they've done to london
    Michael Lewis, in Liar's Poker, considered that one should not underestimate the importance of shopping opportunities, when banks decide to locate in London. Frankfurt doesn't have the shops.
    If bankers move to Frankfurt - expensive shops won't be far behind. Wonders of capitalism etc.
    Frankfurt already has expensive shops but a population about the tenth of London's
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Elliot said:

    Roger said:

    DavidL said:

    Roger said:

    Has anyone managed to extricate Boris's head from Donald's derriere yet? If not it might be a good time for Mrs May to make her move......

    Struggling with your description. Did he not go to the US to try and talk Trump from repudiating the Iran agreement, even if he failed? If he thought a little flattery would make his message more palatable I don't think he can be blamed for trying.
    Pathetic and humiliating. International watchers must have been squirming
    Amazing you didn't describe Macron in the same way.
    Macron arrived and left with his dignity intact if not enhanced. Can you with a straight face say the same for the British government's representative? Remember when kinnock used to be given five minutes with the Presidents office junior and how we laughed?
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,990
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:
    What we say we like and what we actually vote for are different. A lot of people pointed out Javids chances of becoming leader would be inhibited by being bald, as bald men disproportionately lose elections due to attractiveness bias.
    People say they want honesty. What they really want is for politicians to tell them what they want to hear, and for that to be true too.
    Yep. Similarly people want good news and no-one gets credit for a gloomy prediction, even when prescient.
    That of course has always been true. Look at the unfortunate Cassandra.
    Hmm...Always? Winston Churchill - "I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat."
    You've missed out the last section;

    'You ask, what is our aim? It is victory.'

    Edit: you might also have added that when he correctly stated the country couldn't afford to implement the Beveridge report immediately, he lost to the Labour Party, who claimed it oculus but had to use Marshall Aid to make it happen.
    Do I gather that the young people you teach are now involved with exams, and you have more free time?
    Sadly not yet. Exams start today and kick off properly next week.

    I hope you had some good free time over the big day though and were not too disheartened by Essex's rare stumble to Yorkshire.
    Thank you. I had an excellent day with much of my family present.
    Happy belated birthday!
    Thank you.
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,153
    HYUFD said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:


    Germans realising all those bankers don't want to go to Frankfurt, or more particularly their wives wont go.


    https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/plus176183769/Brexit-Ehefrauen-von-Londoner-Bankern-vereint-gegen-Frankfurt.html

    Two or three good bars and a whopping bonus and bankers will go anywhere. Just a Frankfurter journo who doesn't want them doing to frankfurt what they've done to london
    Michael Lewis, in Liar's Poker, considered that one should not underestimate the importance of shopping opportunities, when banks decide to locate in London. Frankfurt doesn't have the shops.
    If bankers move to Frankfurt - expensive shops won't be far behind. Wonders of capitalism etc.
    Frankfurt already has expensive shops but a population about the tenth of London's
    Perhaps the bankers will acquire a taste for apple wine.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754
    Roger said:

    Elliot said:

    Roger said:

    DavidL said:

    Roger said:

    Has anyone managed to extricate Boris's head from Donald's derriere yet? If not it might be a good time for Mrs May to make her move......

    Struggling with your description. Did he not go to the US to try and talk Trump from repudiating the Iran agreement, even if he failed? If he thought a little flattery would make his message more palatable I don't think he can be blamed for trying.
    Pathetic and humiliating. International watchers must have been squirming
    Amazing you didn't describe Macron in the same way.
    Macron arrived and left with his dignity intact if not enhanced. Can you with a straight face say the same for the British government's representative? Remember when kinnock used to be given five minutes with the Presidents office junior and how we laughed?
    Right

    so Trump dusting Macron's dandruff off is now dignified ?

    and that homo erotic hand shake thing they do what's that all about ?

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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. Brooke, Sopel (BBC's North America editor) praised the hand-holding and kissing as a masterclass. Not quite the reaction, I think, when Trump and May briefly held hands.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trade-deficit-far-lower-than-thought-fzcldd62j

    Looks like we're going to get some large GDP revisions soon.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,672
    edited May 2018
    One consequence of Trump's move:

    https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/993918108355219457

    Both Boeing & Airbus need US export licences as they contain more than 10% US sourced material/tech. Airbus managed to get 3 large aircraft to Iran - but had orders for 100......
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,216
    Unless they can build the planes in 3 months.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,216

    Mr. Brooke, Sopel (BBC's North America editor) praised the hand-holding and kissing as a masterclass. Not quite the reaction, I think, when Trump and May briefly held hands.

    I do wonder whether Trump's limited mind thinks that Macron who is an actual PRESIDENT! is a more important person that May who is a Prime Minister.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754

    Mr. Brooke, Sopel (BBC's North America editor) praised the hand-holding and kissing as a masterclass. Not quite the reaction, I think, when Trump and May briefly held hands.

    How times change Mr Dancer

    One year ago it was - no decent person would meet Trump

    Now it's - our man got to see Donald and yours didn't

    Basically theyre all dancing to Trumps tune

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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,082
    I find it interesting that there is so little concern that slavery is now endemic in parts of the UK economy. Perhaps because middle class lifestyles are benefited by it and middle class jobs not threated by it.

    ' Exploitation and abuse of workers is widespread across the UK economy, according to a new report, which finds that 17 sectors are high-risk for mistreatment ranging from wages theft to slavery.

    Construction, recycling, nail bars and car washes were among the top sectors where the Gangmasters and Labour Abuse Authority (GLAA) said there was slavery. Agriculture, food packing, fishing, shellfish gathering, warehouse and distribution, garment manufacturing, taxi driving , retail, domestic work, and social care were also highlighted in the report. '

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/08/slaves-working-in-uk-construction-and-car-washes-report-finds
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    One consequence of Trump's move:

    https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/993918108355219457

    Both Boeing & Airbus need US export licences as they contain more than 10% US sourced material/tech. Airbus managed to get 3 large aircraft to Iran - but had orders for 100......

    $38bn about to be funnelled into the nuclear programme then. :/
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,153
    MaxPB said:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trade-deficit-far-lower-than-thought-fzcldd62j

    Looks like we're going to get some large GDP revisions soon.

    Starting in 2016.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,335
    edited May 2018
    Roger said:


    Germans realising all those bankers don't want to go to Frankfurt, or more particularly their wives wont go.


    https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/plus176183769/Brexit-Ehefrauen-von-Londoner-Bankern-vereint-gegen-Frankfurt.html

    Two or three good bars and a whopping bonus and bankers will go anywhere. Just a Frankfurter journo who doesn't want them doing to frankfurt what they've done to london
    I think they're pathetic too - there's nothing wrong with Frankfurt, which like most cities caters for people with tastes from bars to culture, and if I was employing them i'd question their commitment. But it's probably true, and shareholders don't always realise how many business decisions are influenced by personal preferences in the management. I used to work for a Swiss pharma company who had dual British HQs in Macclesfield and Horsham due to former mergers. As I recall, a succession of managers tried to integrate in first one and then the other, offering a variety of semi-specious reasons why one site was better - the general view was that some influential people just preferred one or the other.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,335

    Unless they can build the planes in 3 months.
    Good news for Russian aircraft salesmen.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,672

    Unless they can build the planes in 3 months.
    Not a chance - the tails already have company colours on before they go for interior fit out....

    https://twitter.com/Airbus/status/989778031467290624
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    This is an interesting letter and raising complex issues over what the state can/should do for social care.

    It is worth noting to pay 45% tax means his income is over £150k per annum, we don't know his wife's income. Also I'd presume attendance allowance not mentioned is being claimed and that's not means tested or taxable and should offset some of the cost a little too.

    https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/994093960837689345
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897

    Unless they can build the planes in 3 months.
    The cynic in me says they only placed such large orders in the first place in order to generate headlines when sanctions were placed on them, and to get the manufactures lobbying on Iran’s behalf.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,332
    kle4 said:

    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    AndyJS said:

    48% for Labour in Lewisham East at the local elections wasn't exactly a crushing performance. They could potentially lose the seat with 45%.

    The local CLP is dominated by moderates. If the NEC imposes a Momentum-backed candidate it could spark the kind of row that might make things interesting, while once again opening up questions about exactly how the far left defines internal Labour democracy. It should be a safe Labour hold, though.

    Unless Labour split and field two candidates or put forward somebody with questions to answer on child sex abuse - something really crazy like that - there is surely no way they can lose Lewisham.
    Didn't Ken Livingstone say that he fancies a return to Parliament?

    Ken Livingstone, chosen to contest Lewisham East, gives his first TV interview:

    "All I was trying to say, Andrew, was that Hitler wasn't all bad. Okay, he went a bit OTT with the Holocaust, I accept that. But, he built the autobahns, and council houses, and gave cheap holidays for the workers, with strength through joy. He separated the church and State. And he was a great artist."
    "...Mr Livingston, the question was about affordable housing"

    "Oh. Well, my understanding is that Hitler's policy on that..."

    “What Lewisham needs is some decent streetart to lift civic pride. You know who else was good at art?”
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897

    I find it interesting that there is so little concern that slavery is now endemic in parts of the UK economy. Perhaps because middle class lifestyles are benefited by it and middle class jobs not threated by it.

    ' Exploitation and abuse of workers is widespread across the UK economy, according to a new report, which finds that 17 sectors are high-risk for mistreatment ranging from wages theft to slavery.

    Construction, recycling, nail bars and car washes were among the top sectors where the Gangmasters and Labour Abuse Authority (GLAA) said there was slavery. Agriculture, food packing, fishing, shellfish gathering, warehouse and distribution, garment manufacturing, taxi driving , retail, domestic work, and social care were also highlighted in the report. '

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/08/slaves-working-in-uk-construction-and-car-washes-report-finds

    It’s because those who would normally be first to complain about these things - like the Guardian - are in favour of the EU membership that facilitates the slavery.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    Unless they can build the planes in 3 months.
    Good news for Russian aircraft salesmen.
    Or more likely the friendly Russian nuclear technicians
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,332
    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:


    Germans realising all those bankers don't want to go to Frankfurt, or more particularly their wives wont go.


    https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/plus176183769/Brexit-Ehefrauen-von-Londoner-Bankern-vereint-gegen-Frankfurt.html

    Two or three good bars and a whopping bonus and bankers will go anywhere. Just a Frankfurter journo who doesn't want them doing to frankfurt what they've done to london
    Michael Lewis, in Liar's Poker, considered that one should not underestimate the importance of shopping opportunities, when banks decide to locate in London. Frankfurt doesn't have the shops.
    I’ve heard more than one banker say they’d rather kill themselves than move to Frankfurt.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,216

    kle4 said:

    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    AndyJS said:

    48% for Labour in Lewisham East at the local elections wasn't exactly a crushing performance. They could potentially lose the seat with 45%.

    The local CLP is dominated by moderates. If the NEC imposes a Momentum-backed candidate it could spark the kind of row that might make things interesting, while once again opening up questions about exactly how the far left defines internal Labour democracy. It should be a safe Labour hold, though.

    Unless Labour split and field two candidates or put forward somebody with questions to answer on child sex abuse - something really crazy like that - there is surely no way they can lose Lewisham.
    Didn't Ken Livingstone say that he fancies a return to Parliament?

    Ken Livingstone, chosen to contest Lewisham East, gives his first TV interview:

    "All I was trying to say, Andrew, was that Hitler wasn't all bad. Okay, he went a bit OTT with the Holocaust, I accept that. But, he built the autobahns, and council houses, and gave cheap holidays for the workers, with strength through joy. He separated the church and State. And he was a great artist."
    "...Mr Livingston, the question was about affordable housing"

    "Oh. Well, my understanding is that Hitler's policy on that..."

    “What Lewisham needs is some decent streetart to lift civic pride. You know who else was good at art?”
    Albert Speer?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,435

    NEW THREAD

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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,672

    Unless they can build the planes in 3 months.
    Good news for Russian aircraft salesmen.
    And bad news for Iran Air - Russian aircraft aren't competitive with Airbus/Boeing.

    And very bad news for Iranian passengers - they've got an A300 dating back to 1980...and much of their fleet dates from the '80s.
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    AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    Nick

    Disagree. There is simply no contest between London and Frankfurt.

    The former is the greatest city in the world bar none.

    The latter is an international mediocrity.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754

    Roger said:


    Germans realising all those bankers don't want to go to Frankfurt, or more particularly their wives wont go.


    https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/plus176183769/Brexit-Ehefrauen-von-Londoner-Bankern-vereint-gegen-Frankfurt.html

    Two or three good bars and a whopping bonus and bankers will go anywhere. Just a Frankfurter journo who doesn't want them doing to frankfurt what they've done to london
    I think they're pathetic too - there's nothing wrong with Frankfurt, which like most cities caters for people with tastes from bars to culture, and if I was employing them i'd question their commitment. But it's probably true, and shareholders don't always realise how many business decisions are influenced by personal preferences in the management. I used to work for a Swiss pharma company who had dual British HQs in Macclesfield and Horsham due to former mergers. As I recall, a succession of managers tried to integrate in first one and then the other, offering a variety of semi-specious reasons why one site was better - the general view was that some influential people just preferred one or the other.
    there's nothing wrong with Frankfurt per se, except compared to London it's just totally boring.

    and I'm not exactly this site's biggest London fan
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    VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,435
    Rip Colin Rosenstiel.

    I first met Colin when I was a student at Cambridge University. He was involved in the counting of the STV elections for the student union.

    Best wishes to his family.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,216

    This is an interesting letter and raising complex issues over what the state can/should do for social care.

    It is worth noting to pay 45% tax means his income is over £150k per annum, we don't know his wife's income. Also I'd presume attendance allowance not mentioned is being claimed and that's not means tested or taxable and should offset some of the cost a little too.

    https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/994093960837689345

    The full report, of which there were more details in the Guardian, did seem to have some workable ideas. IHT taxed on the recipient rather than the deceased estate has always struck me as a fairer system.

    The £10K for mid-twenty year olds seems bonkers to me. 40% or more of them will have 10Ks of student debt, which the state has imposed. Why then give them £10K? What's the logic of these two positions?
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,667

    This is an interesting letter and raising complex issues over what the state can/should do for social care.

    It is worth noting to pay 45% tax means his income is over £150k per annum, we don't know his wife's income. Also I'd presume attendance allowance not mentioned is being claimed and that's not means tested or taxable and should offset some of the cost a little too.

    https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/994093960837689345

    Whatever his combined pensions income, he is going to be having less deducted by the stae than he would if he was earning the same income through work, since he'll pay no NI.

    Every sympathy with he regarding his wife's health but really his income is beyond the dreams of most in this country.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,216

    This is an interesting letter and raising complex issues over what the state can/should do for social care.

    It is worth noting to pay 45% tax means his income is over £150k per annum, we don't know his wife's income. Also I'd presume attendance allowance not mentioned is being claimed and that's not means tested or taxable and should offset some of the cost a little too.

    https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/994093960837689345

    Whatever his combined pensions income, he is going to be having less deducted by the stae than he would if he was earning the same income through work, since he'll pay no NI.

    Every sympathy with he regarding his wife's health but really his income is beyond the dreams of most in this country.
    He's a typical Blairite etc etc...
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,082

    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:


    Germans realising all those bankers don't want to go to Frankfurt, or more particularly their wives wont go.


    https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/plus176183769/Brexit-Ehefrauen-von-Londoner-Bankern-vereint-gegen-Frankfurt.html

    Two or three good bars and a whopping bonus and bankers will go anywhere. Just a Frankfurter journo who doesn't want them doing to frankfurt what they've done to london
    Michael Lewis, in Liar's Poker, considered that one should not underestimate the importance of shopping opportunities, when banks decide to locate in London. Frankfurt doesn't have the shops.
    I’ve heard more than one banker say they’d rather kill themselves than move to Frankfurt.
    Its the basis of a current Alex story in the Telegraph.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,082

    Roger said:


    Germans realising all those bankers don't want to go to Frankfurt, or more particularly their wives wont go.


    https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/plus176183769/Brexit-Ehefrauen-von-Londoner-Bankern-vereint-gegen-Frankfurt.html

    Two or three good bars and a whopping bonus and bankers will go anywhere. Just a Frankfurter journo who doesn't want them doing to frankfurt what they've done to london
    I think they're pathetic too - there's nothing wrong with Frankfurt, which like most cities caters for people with tastes from bars to culture, and if I was employing them i'd question their commitment. But it's probably true, and shareholders don't always realise how many business decisions are influenced by personal preferences in the management. I used to work for a Swiss pharma company who had dual British HQs in Macclesfield and Horsham due to former mergers. As I recall, a succession of managers tried to integrate in first one and then the other, offering a variety of semi-specious reasons why one site was better - the general view was that some influential people just preferred one or the other.
    In a Yes Prime Minister episode Sir Humphrey said that military bases can't be moved from SE England because wives don't want to be away from Wimbledon, Ascot and Harrods.
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