Except EEA means no Customs Union and allegedly Ireland needs a Customs Union?
Are you saying that the claims that Ireland needs a Customs Union were self-serving bulls##t all along?
There is no reason why Customs Union cannot be accommodated. It could even be May's ambitious bespoke arrangement.
Remember, EEA is part of EFTA. Switzerland is in EFTA but not in EEA. The other three countries in EFTA constitutes the EEA.
So we could have an EEA arrangement but not quite by including Customs Union [ Switzerland ]. In the EU, almost, but not quite!
So you get both a FTA [ proxy for being in the SM ] and "a Customs Union" [ proxy for Customs Union. T May can call it Customs arrangement or whatever she likes.
But we will still be outside the EU. So in compliance with the result of the referendum.
Everyone is happy ! We will need a people's vote to ratify this arrangement.
Nope because unlike the SM, the Customs Union is an integral part of EU membership, not EEA membership. You cannot be in the Customs Union and not an EU member (unless you are so small and insignificant like San Marino or Andorra that it makes no difference).
Being in a separate Customs Union like Turkey means any country with an FTA with the EU can import into your country tariff free but you do not get the reciprocal rights.
No one is saying that we have to be in "the" customs union, just "a" customs union which looks surprisingly similar.
Looking online, the following crown dependencies appear to belong to The CU although they've always been outside the EU:
Bailiwick of Guernsey Bailiwick of Jersey Isle of Man.
So will they stay in The CU while we get given only A CU?
No.
As the UK withdrawals from the EU, the current Customs arrangements will cease.
Not that you would ever know from the BBC reporting that Mrs. May was apologising for the actions of the last Labour Govt. who undertook that rendition.....
Can someone please explain to me what will happen to the Irish border issue should there be no deal with the EU on the day of the UK leaving
Invasion!
We will quickly reincorporate the Republic into the UK, by amphibious assaults against Dublin Bay, Cork and Rosslare, and a two-pronged land-based strike from South Armagh and County Fermanagh!
Why? It’s a horror show. It’s distorted lots of things. It’s one of the prime drivers of house price growth, it’s made pensions hugely expensive and created a very large part of all those deficits.
It’s an emergency policy (they’ve never been as low as this since the BoE was founded in 1694 to give some perspective of how crazy it all is) that’s gone on for a decade. It’s methadone.
It’s got to stop. Higher, as fast as reasonably possibly should be the mantra
Except EEA means no Customs Union and allegedly Ireland needs a Customs Union?
Are you saying that the claims that Ireland needs a Customs Union were self-serving bulls##t all along?
There is no reason why Customs Union cannot be accommodated. It could even be May's ambitious bespoke arrangement.
Remember, EEA is part of EFTA. Switzerland is in EFTA but not in EEA. The other three countries in EFTA constitutes the EEA.
So we could have an EEA arrangement but not quite by including Customs Union [ Switzerland ]. In the EU, almost, but not quite!
So you get both a FTA [ proxy for being in the SM ] and "a Customs Union" [ proxy for Customs Union. T May can call it Customs arrangement or whatever she likes.
But we will still be outside the EU. So in compliance with the result of the referendum.
Everyone is happy ! We will need a people's vote to ratify this arrangement.
Nope because unlike the SM, the Customs Union is an integral part of EU membership, not EEA membership. You cannot be in the Customs Union and not an EU member (unless you are so small and insignificant like San Marino or Andorra that it makes no difference).
Being in a separate Customs Union like Turkey means any country with an FTA with the EU can import into your country tariff free but you do not get the reciprocal rights.
No one is saying that we have to be in "the" customs union, just "a" customs union which looks surprisingly similar.
Looking online, the following crown dependencies appear to belong to The CU although they've always been outside the EU:
Bailiwick of Guernsey Bailiwick of Jersey Isle of Man.
So will they stay in The CU while we get given only A CU?
No.
As the UK withdrawals from the EU, the current Customs arrangements will cease.
That skyline is testament to endemic failure of ambition by council leaders and planners in this country.
Reading is wealthy. Why does it need to look so awful?
Reading is wealthy plenty of private sector employment . So why miss an opportunity to bring jobs to a town/city that really needs them?
"Reading is a net inward destination for commuters. During the morning peak period, there are some 30,000 inward arrivals in the town, compared to 24,000 departures." This surprised me.
That skyline is testament to endemic failure of ambition by council leaders and planners in this country.
Reading is wealthy. Why does it need to look so awful?
Reading is wealthy plenty of private sector employment . So why miss an opportunity to bring jobs to a town/city that really needs them?
"Reading is a net inward destination for commuters. During the morning peak period, there are some 30,000 inward arrivals in the town, compared to 24,000 departures." This surprised me.
Crossrail due to open within the next 6 months or so!
Can someone please explain to me what will happen to the Irish border issue should there be no deal with the EU on the day of the UK leaving
Invasion!
We will quickly reincorporate the Republic into the UK, by amphibious assaults against Dublin Bay, Cork and Rosslare, and a two-pronged land-based strike from South Armagh and County Fermanagh!
EDIT: oops, wrong forum
That is not even remotely funny.
I don't know, Sunil is just playing on the fact that Leavers are sometimes caricatured as being obsessed with empire.
Can someone please explain to me what will happen to the Irish border issue should there be no deal with the EU on the day of the UK leaving
Invasion!
We will quickly reincorporate the Republic into the UK, by amphibious assaults against Dublin Bay, Cork and Rosslare, and a two-pronged land-based strike from South Armagh and County Fermanagh!
EDIT: oops, wrong forum
That is not even remotely funny.
You don't even remotely have a sense of humour, do you?
Not that you would ever know from the BBC reporting that Mrs. May was apologising for the actions of the last Labour Govt. who undertook that rendition.....
I heard a bit of jack Straw's statement on TWAO.. He seems be suffering lack of recall.
Except EEA means no Customs Union and allegedly Ireland needs a Customs Union?
Are you saying that the claims that Ireland needs a Customs Union were self-serving bulls##t all along?
There is no reason why Customs Union cannot be accommodated. It could even be May's ambitious bespoke arrangement.
Remember, EEA is part of EFTA. Switzerland is in EFTA but not in EEA. The other three countries in EFTA constitutes the EEA.
So we could have an EEA arrangement but not quite by including Customs Union [ Switzerland ]. In the EU, almost, but not quite!
So you get both a FTA [ proxy for being in the SM ] and "a Customs Union" [ proxy for Customs Union. T May can call it Customs arrangement or whatever she likes.
But we will still be outside the EU. So in compliance with the result of the referendum.
Everyone is happy ! We will need a people's vote to ratify this arrangement.
Nope because unlike the SM, the Customs Union is an integral part of EU membership, not EEA membership. You cannot be in the Customs Union and not an EU member (unless you are so small and insignificant like San Marino or Andorra that it makes no difference).
Being in a separate Customs Union like Turkey means any country with an FTA with the EU can import into your country tariff free but you do not get the reciprocal rights.
No one is saying that we have to be in "the" customs union, just "a" customs union which looks surprisingly similar.
Looking online, the following crown dependencies appear to belong to The CU although they've always been outside the EU:
Bailiwick of Guernsey Bailiwick of Jersey Isle of Man.
So will they stay in The CU while we get given only A CU?
No.
As the UK withdrawals from the EU, the current Customs arrangements will cease.
What a ridiculous proposal this is. Disrupting systems just for the sake of it.
Everyone's clutching at straws. A LSE blog suggested the 'Jersey option' to mimimise disruption to cross-border trade. In the past I'd have thought the 'Jersey option' was about hiding one's ££ offshore; now it's about how to extricate the UK from Brex-shit.
The more educated people are, the more divisive their politics become, according to this NYT article:
"More Education Means More Polarization
A study has found that the more educated people are, the more regard they have for other people who share their political leanings. The more fervent their liberal or conservative beliefs, the more pronounced their respect for similar people (and disrespect for dissimilar people) as education levels increase."
I am presuming Joe Dromey is Harriet and Jack's son.
Looks like it, and currently a councillor in Lewisham.
Labour: the party of aspiration (for the few) ...
Has an MP ever served in the House at the same time as *both* his or her parents before? I know there are several examples of parent/child, and husband/wife, but I don't think there are any of both?
I am presuming Joe Dromey is Harriet and Jack's son.
Looks like it, and currently a councillor in Lewisham.
Labour: the party of aspiration (for the few) ...
Socialism is a bit like Monarchism. Consider:
1) A belief in jobs for life! 2) Hereditary principle - consider the Kennedys in the US, the Nehru-Gandhis in India and the Kims in North Korea! 3) Pomp and circumstance - North Korean parades and Trooping the Colour!
Except EEA means no Customs Union and allegedly Ireland needs a Customs Union?
Are you saying that the claims that Ireland needs a Customs Union were self-serving bulls##t all along?
There is no reason why Customs Union cannot be accommodated. It could even be May's ambitious bespoke arrangement.
Remember, EEA is part of EFTA. Switzerland is in EFTA but not in EEA. The other three countries in EFTA constitutes the EEA.
So we could have an EEA arrangement but not quite by including Customs Union [ Switzerland ]. In the EU, almost, but not quite!
So you get both a FTA [ proxy for being in the SM ] and "a Customs Union" [ proxy for Customs Union. T May can call it Customs arrangement or whatever she likes.
But we will still be outside the EU. So in compliance with the result of the referendum.
Everyone is happy ! We will need a people's vote to ratify this arrangement.
Nope because unlike the SM, the Customs Union is an integral part of EU membership, not EEA membership. You cannot be in the Customs Union and not an EU member (unless you are so small and insignificant like San Marino or Andorra that it makes no difference).
Being in a separate Customs Union like Turkey means any country with an FTA with the EU can import into your country tariff free but you do not get the reciprocal rights.
No one is saying that we have to be in "the" customs union, just "a" customs union which looks surprisingly similar.
Looking online, the following crown dependencies appear to belong to The CU although they've always been outside the EU:
Bailiwick of Guernsey Bailiwick of Jersey Isle of Man.
So will they stay in The CU while we get given only A CU?
No.
As the UK withdrawals from the EU, the current Customs arrangements will cease.
What a ridiculous proposal this is. Disrupting systems just for the sake of it.
Everyone's clutching at straws. A LSE blog suggested the 'Jersey option' to mimimise disruption to cross-border trade. In the past I'd have thought the 'Jersey option' was about hiding one's ££ offshore; now it's about how to extricate the UK from Brex-shit.
I am presuming Joe Dromey is Harriet and Jack's son.
Looks like it, and currently a councillor in Lewisham.
Labour: the party of aspiration (for the few) ...
Has an MP ever served in the House at the same time as *both* his or her parents before? I know there are several examples of parent/child, and husband/wife, but I don't think there are any of both?
I don't think so. The closest would be Bob, Ann and John Cryer, but there was a 3 year gap between 1994 and 1997 when none of them were in the Commons.
The companies have offered varying explanations for their payments, none of them persuasive. A.T. & T. said that it wanted “insights” into the Trump Administration; that is not something you pay the President’s personal attorney to give you, under any circumstances. (Did the company expect the lowdown on Trump’s next moves? That would possibly be a violation of attorney-client privilege.) It is particularly not something you pay for when, as was the case with A.T. & T., you are trying to get Cohen’s client’s other subordinates to approve a merger. That might be topped by Korea Aerospace’s statement saying that it had turned to Essential Consultants for advice on meeting “accounting standards on production costs.” Korea Aerospace, alongside Lockheed Martin, is currently competing for a defense contract. Columbus Nova, acknowledging to the Times that it had paid Essential Consultants a “consulting fee,” concentrated on denying that the payment had anything to do with Vekselberg. Novartis said that it was looking for advice on medical matters—from Cohen, whose experience in this field, as Rolling Stone recently reported, has involved doing legal work for clinics that were, essentially, insurance-fraud mills….
Bribery ? Not that anyone is saying that!
Influence peddling not bribery. Slightly different but still illegal
I am presuming Joe Dromey is Harriet and Jack's son.
Looks like it, and currently a councillor in Lewisham.
Labour: the party of aspiration (for the few) ...
Socialism is a bit like Monarchism. Consider:
1) A belief in jobs for life! 2) Hereditary principle - consider the Kennedys in the US, the Nehru-Gandhis in India and the Kims in North Korea! 3) Pomp and circumstance - North Korean parades and Trooping the Colour!
Today is the 10th of May -- the anniversary of the day Winston Churchill became Prime Minister. His father had been Chancellor of the Exchequer. Churchill was succeeded as Prime Minister by Anthony Eden, who just happened to be married to Churchill's niece.
I am presuming Joe Dromey is Harriet and Jack's son.
Looks like it, and currently a councillor in Lewisham.
Labour: the party of aspiration (for the few) ...
Has an MP ever served in the House at the same time as *both* his or her parents before? I know there are several examples of parent/child, and husband/wife, but I don't think there are any of both?
I think Douglas Hogg was in the Commons while his father and his wife were both in the Lords (not quite what you asked!). His father-in was there as well for 1 year before he died.
Right now the deposit required for a property is historically unaffordable, but if ALL the capital could be borrowed then the mortgage repayments are historically somewhere near the global minimum due to the extremely low interest rate currently at the Bank of England.
A program that encourages housebuilding either directly or indirectly, and a (very) slow rising of interest rates would seem the best way out of this to me so as not to cripple the market but also return long term affordability.
The problem with a customs partnership is that, while it allows us to reduce tariffs when we sign FTAs (albeit via a complex payback method) it means we can't reduce non-tariff barriers. So, for example, we couldn't let through customs parma ham made outside of Parma. That's a small example, but there are thousands of these restrictions on agricultural products.
Hannan’s signature case against EU membership is an upbeat argument of direct democracy and free-market capitalism. He sidesteps questions about the inevitable trade-offs of leaving by insisting there will be none. Elliott was an intern when he first heard Hannan speak in Westminster almost 20 years ago. Douglas Carswell, the Ukip MP, was convinced by Hannan that Britain should pull out, in the autumn of 1993. “When I heard Boris Johnson and all those others making those brilliant points they made,” Carswell told me recently, “I thought, ‘Compare it to making a film: these guys on the silver screen are brilliant. But the script is written by Hannan, and this is largely a Hannan production.’” Theresa Villiers, the former Northern Ireland secretary, who helped persuade David Cameron to allow his cabinet to campaign freely during the vote, was “radicalised”, in her phrase, by Hannan during her time as an MEP. “On the morning of 24 June, I texted Dan congratulating him on changing the course of European history.”
I am presuming Joe Dromey is Harriet and Jack's son.
Looks like it, and currently a councillor in Lewisham.
Labour: the party of aspiration (for the few) ...
Has an MP ever served in the House at the same time as *both* his or her parents before? I know there are several examples of parent/child, and husband/wife, but I don't think there are any of both?
I think Douglas Hogg was in the Commons while his father and his wife were both in the Lords (not quite what you asked!). His father-in was there as well for 1 year before he died.
How about the Kinnocks. Both Glenys and Neil in the lords whilst Steven in the commons.
I remember the good old days when PB Leavers used to say this was all David Cameron's fault for not making any plans for Brexit.
I pointed out then Dave's view was that Vote Leave's proposals were a fantasy and undeliverable so the Civil Service couldn't wargame them properly.
Two years on and guess that Dave was right on that front.
His opinion. The civil service would have been far more prepared if it wasn’t for that decision. I rate Cameron quite highly, but that has to be one of his biggest blunders.
I remember the good old days when PB Leavers used to say this was all David Cameron's fault for not making any plans for Brexit.
I pointed out then Dave's view was that Vote Leave's proposals were a fantasy and undeliverable so the Civil Service couldn't wargame them properly.
Two years on and guess that Dave was right on that front.
His opinion. The civil service would have been far more prepared if it wasn’t for that decision. I rate Cameron quite highly, but that has to be one of his biggest blunders.
+1
I'm very impressed with how he has conducted himself since, too.
I remember the good old days when PB Leavers used to say this was all David Cameron's fault for not making any plans for Brexit.
I pointed out then Dave's view was that Vote Leave's proposals were a fantasy and undeliverable so the Civil Service couldn't wargame them properly.
Two years on and guess that Dave was right on that front.
Why? Because we have a Poundshop Gordon Brown in Number 10 not actually wanting to implement Vote Leave's proposals?
Maybe if we had a Vote Leave leader in Number 10 directing the Civil Service to implement the proposals and leading negotiations on that basis things could be very different.
I remember the good old days when PB Leavers used to say this was all David Cameron's fault for not making any plans for Brexit.
I pointed out then Dave's view was that Vote Leave's proposals were a fantasy and undeliverable so the Civil Service couldn't wargame them properly.
Two years on and guess that Dave was right on that front.
I raised the same questions about the civil service not being able to plan for Scottish independence. Just because the referendum went to remain as part of the UK didn't make that decision the correct one, it was reckless and the same error came home to roost after the EU ref.
Maybe if we had a Vote Leave leader in Number 10 directing the Civil Service to implement the proposals and leading negotiations on that basis things could be very different.
Yup, the unicorns would be herded much faster if we had a true believer in charge...
I remember the good old days when PB Leavers used to say this was all David Cameron's fault for not making any plans for Brexit.
I pointed out then Dave's view was that Vote Leave's proposals were a fantasy and undeliverable so the Civil Service couldn't wargame them properly.
Two years on and guess that Dave was right on that front.
Why? Because we have a Poundshop Gordon Brown in Number 10 not actually wanting to implement Vote Leave's proposals?
Maybe if we had a Vote Leave leader in Number 10 directing the Civil Service to implement the proposals and leading negotiations on that basis things could be very different.
'Vote Leave's proposals'
lol, what were they? The Brexit campaign assumed the EU would just roll over and given them everything they wanted. German car manufacturers and prosecco growers would make it so as I remember.
That Leavers can't agree amongst themselves as to what form Brexit should take is why it would have been impossible for the civil service to have planned in advance what would happen.
I remember the good old days when PB Leavers used to say this was all David Cameron's fault for not making any plans for Brexit.
I pointed out then Dave's view was that Vote Leave's proposals were a fantasy and undeliverable so the Civil Service couldn't wargame them properly.
Two years on and guess that Dave was right on that front.
His opinion. The civil service would have been far more prepared if it wasn’t for that decision. I rate Cameron quite highly, but that has to be one of his biggest blunders.
They did prepare for the decision their initial plans were that the objectives of Vote Leave were undeliverable, that Vote Leave would have to compromise but that was going to be for the Leavers to decide.
You wanted all the benefits of the single market without any of the costs, it was pointed at the time it wasn't going to happen.
Maybe if we had a Vote Leave leader in Number 10 directing the Civil Service to implement the proposals and leading negotiations on that basis things could be very different.
Yup, the unicorns would be herded much faster if we had a true believer in charge...
The emerging dividing lines among Leavers seem to be between (1) those Leavers who believe Brexit is failing because of the treachery of Remainers in not getting behind it and making it work (2) those Leavers who believe Brexit is failing because of the treachery of Remainers in getting behind it and trying to make it work and (3) those Leavers who believe that Brexit is failing because Remainers were not rounded up and kept under armed guard on Hebridean islands, leaving the pure air of England only to be inhaled in Leave lungs..
Perhaps the time has come for the UK to sever its ties with the USA. If we think it's a good idea do it with the generally fragrant EU surely we should do it with the altogether more whiffy USA?
Hannan’s signature case against EU membership is an upbeat argument of direct democracy and free-market capitalism. He sidesteps questions about the inevitable trade-offs of leaving by insisting there will be none. Elliott was an intern when he first heard Hannan speak in Westminster almost 20 years ago. Douglas Carswell, the Ukip MP, was convinced by Hannan that Britain should pull out, in the autumn of 1993. “When I heard Boris Johnson and all those others making those brilliant points they made,” Carswell told me recently, “I thought, ‘Compare it to making a film: these guys on the silver screen are brilliant. But the script is written by Hannan, and this is largely a Hannan production.’” Theresa Villiers, the former Northern Ireland secretary, who helped persuade David Cameron to allow his cabinet to campaign freely during the vote, was “radicalised”, in her phrase, by Hannan during her time as an MEP. “On the morning of 24 June, I texted Dan congratulating him on changing the course of European history.”
You have no idea how it will end. Odds on it will be closer to Hannan's vision than to yours.
Our father who art in threadneedle Street Carney by thine name Thy mortgage come Rates will be low In London as it is in Britain Give us this day our FTSE boost For thine is the cheap mortgage The exporter's and homeowner's friend At least until you get the sack Amen.
I don't actually have a mortgage, but I am an exporter that doesn't often buy items from outside the UK, so am currently very pleased to see Cable having taken a bit of a knock.
That's a bit harsh, he gained two councils in SW London and plenty more seats beside.
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Keep them low.
Go lower.
Go lower again.
It’s an emergency policy (they’ve never been as low as this since the BoE was founded in 1694 to give some perspective of how crazy it all is) that’s gone on for a decade. It’s methadone.
It’s got to stop. Higher, as fast as reasonably possibly should be the mantra
"Reading is a net inward destination for commuters. During the morning peak period, there are some 30,000 inward arrivals in the town, compared to 24,000 departures." This surprised me.
The BoE will have nothing left, leaving fiscal to do all the heavy lifting.
Combined with Brexit...
We have our own currency.
Phyll Opoku-Gyimah
Sakina Sheikh
Brenda Dacres
Nadine Houghton
Claudia Webbe
Joe Dromey
Kevin Bonavia
Katy Clark
https://labourlist.org/2018/05/lewisham-east-runners-and-riders/
Labour: the party of aspiration (for the few) ...
"More Education Means More Polarization
A study has found that the more educated people are, the more regard they have for other people who share their political leanings. The more fervent their liberal or conservative beliefs, the more pronounced their respect for similar people (and disrespect for dissimilar people) as education levels increase."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/10/opinion/democrats-partisanship-identity-politics.html
1) A belief in jobs for life!
2) Hereditary principle - consider the Kennedys in the US, the Nehru-Gandhis in India and the Kims in North Korea!
3) Pomp and circumstance - North Korean parades and Trooping the Colour!
There will be a lot more tools available for the CoTE out of the protectionist cartel.
Whether the CoTE is skilled enough to use them is the key issue.
Low interest rates are not a sign of economic well-being
http://ponyonthetories.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/housing.html
Some conclusions:
Right now the deposit required for a property is historically unaffordable, but if ALL the capital could be borrowed then the mortgage repayments are historically somewhere near the global minimum due to the extremely low interest rate currently at the Bank of England.
A program that encourages housebuilding either directly or indirectly, and a (very) slow rising of interest rates would seem the best way out of this to me so as not to cripple the market but also return long term affordability.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/29/daniel-hannan-the-man-who-brought-you-brexit
Hannan’s signature case against EU membership is an upbeat argument of direct democracy and free-market capitalism. He sidesteps questions about the inevitable trade-offs of leaving by insisting there will be none. Elliott was an intern when he first heard Hannan speak in Westminster almost 20 years ago. Douglas Carswell, the Ukip MP, was convinced by Hannan that Britain should pull out, in the autumn of 1993. “When I heard Boris Johnson and all those others making those brilliant points they made,” Carswell told me recently, “I thought, ‘Compare it to making a film: these guys on the silver screen are brilliant. But the script is written by Hannan, and this is largely a Hannan production.’” Theresa Villiers, the former Northern Ireland secretary, who helped persuade David Cameron to allow his cabinet to campaign freely during the vote, was “radicalised”, in her phrase, by Hannan during her time as an MEP. “On the morning of 24 June, I texted Dan congratulating him on changing the course of European history.”
I pointed out then Dave's view was that Vote Leave's proposals were a fantasy and undeliverable so the Civil Service couldn't wargame them properly.
Two years on and guess that Dave was right on that front.
I'm very impressed with how he has conducted himself since, too.
Maybe if we had a Vote Leave leader in Number 10 directing the Civil Service to implement the proposals and leading negotiations on that basis things could be very different.
lol, what were they? The Brexit campaign assumed the EU would just roll over and given them everything they wanted. German car manufacturers and prosecco growers would make it so as I remember.
That Leavers can't agree amongst themselves as to what form Brexit should take is why it would have been impossible for the civil service to have planned in advance what would happen.
You wanted all the benefits of the single market without any of the costs, it was pointed at the time it wasn't going to happen.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/04/19/vote-leave-sets-out-its-objective-tse-gives-his-robust-interpretation/
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